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Very open, very... A lot of love, man. A lot of love feelings are surfacing now about being...

Conan O'Brien's friend and being here with him, actually. Good Lord, this is the most thoughtful and beautiful. You're a lovely guy. Thank you, man. I feel the same about you. I mean, I can't remember all the times that we've encountered each other over our lives. I've come into your house plenty of times at night when you're sleeping. Oh, that's you. That's me, yeah. I always take a little something when I go. Oh, thank you.

But you leave a little something, too. I leave a little something, too. Fall is here. Back to school. Ring the bell. Brand new shoes. Walking blues. Climb the fence. Books and pens. I can tell that we are gonna be friends. Yes, I can tell that we are gonna be friends.

Hey there. Welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend, joined by my stalwart companions, Sona Mofsesian. Hey, Sona. Hello. And, of course, Matt Gourley. That's the name. Yes. I just wanted to... You got it. I just need your social security numbers now, and then I can steal your health insurance. I want to bring up something to Sona, which is, over the years, I guess, it's become well-known, Sona, that you are my assistant and that you are...

Armenian. Yes. People just come up to me now, wherever I am, in any situation and say, Conan, I'm Armenian. And I know to say, because we went to Armenia together, oh, inch pasek. We are everywhere.

But the thing is, it's almost like if if other people around and like, is it a year and I'll leave him alone? No. Armenians just are like and I don't mind it. I love them. They're very nice. But I'm starting to notice that they will crash through a wall if I'm alone in a room and go, Conan, Borev.

I'm like, hey, whoa, inch per sec. I will say, I mean, just my experience is we're not great with boundaries. Right. And we don't pick up on like social cues of when it's okay and not okay to say that. Well, it's always okay. And I think they're really excited to see you. And they always want to hear like how Sona's doing. They want to know how you're doing. I don't imagine that's the case. Matt Gourlian. Yeah. Oh, Matt Gourlian. Matt Gourlian. I just said Matt Gourlian. I just wanted to tweak it a little. I wanted to punch it up. Yeah.

But then they ask, they want to know all about you. And I say, you've got these, you know, these twin boys. They want to know, you know, they're always very interested in the fact that who did you marry? And I say, like, relax. He's Armenian. So they don't get mad at me. If you tell them their name, because I am a little self-conscious that I named them such American names. Do they like, look, of course, Mikey and Charlie. No, I never bring that up because I think they might not like it.

Oh, really? Yeah, because, well, I never say because I was surprised when you told me, when you said that the twins are born, this is like three years ago now. I was so excited. And I said, I'm downstairs. Can I come up at the hospital? And you said, I'd rather you didn't. Just leave whatever gifts you have.

And I was like, well, that's weird. I drove all the way. Has anyone cut the umbilical cord yet? Yeah. I really thought I'd be in a big part of that. You made it very clear I should just get back in my car and leave. But no, I was. And then I said, what are your kids names? And you went, Mikey and Charlie. And I thought it was going to be, you know, Groovy and Struvy. No, no. Groovy and Struvy. Well, what's wrong with that? First of all, it sounds like Groovy and Struvy sounds Swedish. That's right. You're right. I went through it. I.

How about... That's what's wrong with this. Yeah, give me the names that they could have been. Like Armin and Rafi. Or Kevork. Artok. Artok is Taks name. Yeah, yeah. Artok Jr. Art... Air... Air... Airpod? Airpod. Hovhannes. Hovhannes. Airpods Max? Car... Carvan. Stepan. Carvan? Beats by Dre? Yeah.

Vortex. Is Vortex? No. Do you want to keep trying? I think we should, yes. I think you're trying to say you should stop now. But unfortunately, you said, do you think we should keep trying? Which makes me want to go...

Okay. Okay. But anyway. No. But do you get some flack in the Armenian community for naming them Mikey and Charlie? They go to an Armenian school and a lot of the parents name their kids Armenian names. And then I just see Charlie and Mikey and I'm like, I think we let our people down a little bit. Also, you taught them that song since they were very little. We must assimilate, assimilate, assimilate. We must assimilate. That song. Yeah.

It's a Mr. Rogers song. Shed our immigrant past. We must assimilate, assimilate. And I was like, why are you teaching them this? Oh, my God. Shed our immigrant past.

That's the song you taught them. And Tack plays it on the guitar. We must assimilate, assimilate, assimilate. We must assimilate and shed our immigrant past. Shed our immigrant past. Shed our immigrant past. It's still going. As far as anybody knows, we're little Dutch boys.

I just think it was a weird song to teach your children at such a young age. But they should assimilate. Right. I don't know. It's good. I think I always feel badly for my mom because I think deep down she really wanted us to be the kind of kids that could go to a country club and.

We just weren't. We were Irish pirates. And I used to just pretty much tell her that, like, what are you talking about? We're just Irish. We're 100% Irish. We're bums. But she was an intellectual. Your dad is an intellectual.

intellectual I know but it doesn't it was no and then I know my parents are very smart accomplished people and then they had kids and we were like argh but it kind of backfired on them because you're very intellectual but in a way that probably infuriates them yes I know

It's like some kind of Cassandra curse. Like, be careful what you wish for. Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know. Something went horribly wrong. But I think I like Mikey and Charlie, and I do think they've grown into those names. They are Mikey and Charlie. That's who they are now. Do they have Armenian middle names? Yeah, yeah. Krikor and Tanya. You're halfway there. Krikor. I love that one. Krikor. Yeah. And what's the other one? Tanya. I mean, it's Tanya. It's Daniel. Daniel. Yeah. And what's Krikor? Gregory.

Oh. Oh. I named him after my grandparents. Oh, you just forgot? Your grandparents are named Charlie and Mikey? Yeah. No, they're Crico and Tanya. They're my grandfathers. Grandpa Mikey and Grandma Charlie. Oh, yeah. I'll never forget the day in 1907 when Mikey saw a beautiful Charlie walking down the lane carrying that basket of dried apricot. Oh, come on.

Krikor! Krikor! My grandma went by Eddie. That was her name. Is that true? What's her full name? Eleanor. But why Eddie? I don't know, to be honest. My grandmother, who lived with us for a while, who I think was born in 1890, so she really...

saw everything in a lifetime. But her, we always knew her as Maudie. Her nickname was Maudie. And we would say, why is your name, why does everyone call you Maudie? And it was because there was a comic book, a comic strip when she was about eight years old about a mule named Maudie that would kick. And

At the playground, she once kicked like some boys were bothering her and she was kicking at them and they called her Maudie. And so a hundred years later, we're saying, hey, Maudie, pass the salt. What's her real name? I'm shocked you guys weren't country club people. Yeah, I know. You mule damaged lineage. Yeah. What's her real name? Yeah. It was Ruth. Ruth. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah, which was my mom's name too. I didn't know that. Yeah. That's cool. Oh, so she, that's your mother's mother? Yes, my mother's mother. A female junior. She was named after, she was named after this kicking mule in a comic strip that was popular in the 80s.

In, you know, 1900 or 1898. And then it stuck like one day on the playground. Yeah, you're a real Mahdi, that one. And then cut to, you know, us a hundred years later, a hundred years, but whatever, 85 years later. You called her by her nickname, though? You didn't call her grandma? We called her Mahdi.

OK, and we called our grandfather, my mother's father, Hoofer. And because no, that's true, because he as a young man, he was a policeman in Worcester, Massachusetts, who directed traffic. But he knew like one dance step and people were like, yeah, you're a real hoofer. And that kicker over there is a real Marty. And so we called him Hoofer and Marty.

And then the one day we go to enlist at the country club, they're like, well, tell us a little bit about yourself, kid. Hey, there are six of you. You seem to have been born three months apart. And your shirts are all torn. Tell us about yourself. Well, our grandmother's Marty after the kicking mule. And our cop grandfather is called Hoofer because he knew a dance step. He used to kick the winos with it.

All right, well, there's this back door here you can use. What should I tell my mother? Should I tell her that we're in and we can come here and eat peanut butter and jam sandwiches? No, get the fuck out of here. Do you want to hear about my other grandfather's shit seat? Get out! Get out!

All right. I'm dying. By the way, God rest your soul. Shitzy. Hey, Shitzy, get over here. Why do they call him Shitzy? He took a shit when World War I was declared. He shit his pants because he knew he had to fight. So we call him Shitzy. Say hello to Jizz Schmeckman. Oh, God.

Chitsy! What's your... Who did he marry? He married... Ah, fuck it! Ah, fuck it! Yeah! When she was three in 1850, she banged her shit on a stool. Ah, fuck it! So, ah, fuck it, Matt Chitsy. Ah!

So about this country club application, where do I sign? And what am I? 15 brothers and sisters sign who are all born the same day. And where do we check in bread? Hey, is that a golf course? Can we play? We've got hockey sticks. I,

Quick apology to my family. Too late. We're throwing you all under the bus. Hey, my guest today. My guest today is an Academy Award winning actor. Oh my God, why? The chasm between the shit we talk about. The chasm between...

how low we are and the quality of the people that come here. It's like our first guest won the Nobel Peace Prize. My guest today is an Academy Award winning actor who has starred in such films as Tron, Iron Man and The Big Lebowski. Now you can see him in the FX series The Old Man. I really do love this show. I'm glad it's back. I'm thrilled he's here today. Jeff Bridges, welcome.

So, you know, it's so funny because you've done so much incredible work. And I've also thought about how I just have this bond with your family because when I was a kid, they would show reruns a lot. And my brothers and I, there was one thing that we watched in the summer. And it was, we would watch Sea Hunt. Sea Hunt was on. And of course, your dad, the great Lloyd Bridges, was the star of Sea Hunt.

And so I remembered when you first came on the scene and I'd see you in movies and people, I would think of you as Lloyd Bridges. That's Lloyd Bridges' son. Because he was on Sea Hunt. And that's the show we would watch with my brother, Neil and Luke. And we would watch Sea Hunt. And we just like, and we thought that was the coolest show in the world. And of course, we were watching it long after it had been on. We're watching it in the 70s. Oh, right. No, it was the late, the early 60s. Now you've triggered a storm.

Okay, that's what I do. I trigger people. You've triggered me. You mentioned Sea Hunt. Now, this is also a plug for a fellow named Richard Peterson. People can Google Richard Peterson's first movie, Big City Dick. It's called Big City Dick, Richard Peterson's first movie. That's the official title. And I met this fellow maybe...

30 years ago in Seattle, I'm getting dressed to go down and do this movie, American Heart. I hear this outside my window. I look out there and there's this bald, kind of heavyset guy in a tight mattress, sport coat.

It's like, I know, I go down there. I forget all about the guy. And he comes up to me and goes, oh, Lloyd Bridges' son, son of Seahunt. And I say, you got me. And then I realized what he was playing on his trumpet was Seahunt music. And he comes up to me and he says, these are the cues. I need the other cues, these cues, this, this.

And I say, what is this? He says, the cues from Seahunt. You know, every time they go, he saw it. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this fellow, Richard Peterson, is a savant.

And his subject, Seahunt. No, yeah, all Ziv music. And also, what's crazy is his connection with you, as mine was, just like early, early on, was through your dad. And then you've gone on to have this insane career. But it doesn't matter what you do, to this guy, you'll always, the connection will always be Seahunt. Son of Seahunt. Son of Seahunt.

So now years later, about 20 years later, I'm doing a Seabiscuit in Pasadena. I have a big suite. I have a piano in the room. And these guys come over and say, do you know Richard Peterson? We're some documentary film directors. The three of us have gotten together. I said, oh, yeah. I tell them this story. And they say, now Richard's downstairs. Yeah.

can he come up? I said, oh, wonderful. I've always wanted, because he's really a piano player. I said, we got a piano. And we get down there and we start playing Seahunt music. You're playing the stings to an early 60s television show. That's hilarious. As I'm walking him out the door, saying, Richard, you know, are you into jazz? Because it's kind of, you know, out there music playing. And you'd like Thelonious Monk, for instance. And he looks at me and says,

I dig Seahunt. Have you heard of Mozart? Was he on Seahunt? I dig Seahunt, man. So Seahunt, no. It's wild. But you know, I don't know. I know that you're in the business. You did obviously some cameos on Seahunt with your brother Bo. And then I remember a movie came out that to this, I love this movie.

Thunderbolt and Lightfoot. And my, my, my, you know this film? Yeah. And it's Clint Eastwood. It's you. It's George Kennedy. It's a great fucking movie. And I'm, I love that movie. And you're, you popped so much in that movie.

You must have been a young kid at the time. Yeah, I can't remember how old I was. I think it was the movie's 1974. They probably shot it in 73. But you're just such a great character. Well, it was it was Chimino's first Michael Chimino. Michael Chimino's first movie is the guy who directed Heaven's Gate. Yep. Yep.

completely different experience. You know, in Heaven's Gate, we would do up to 60 takes. You know, we're here, we're show up, and I'm not sure if I really dug that approach because nobody, you never know what it's going to take. You never know. Are you into it? But, uh,

With Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, Clint always only liked to do, you know, one take, maybe two, you know. And I was the kid who'd go up to Jermaine and say, oh, that's the boss. And Clint would say, yeah, give the kid one more take. But that film is very...

close to my heart because that's the first film I did in Montana. Yeah. And, man, that's... I just came back from Montana, so I'm a little countrified. Well, there is... I know a movie's great when the loss of a character upsets me on an emotional level. Or if a character's hurt, it upsets me. Because, you know, there's a lot of violence, there's a lot of things that can happen in movies and television, and you just don't feel anything...

And George Kennedy gives your character a beating and it upset me because I was so invested in your character. And I thought, that's a good movie. And that's a good, that's proof to me that the acting here is top level. When I'm upset, I mean, you see, if you just casually watch

you'll see people getting the shit kicked out of them a million times. You're numb to it. But I don't know. I felt a real loss there when your character was beaten like that. It just upset me, and it still does. I'm smiling because I...

It's funny. When I see movies that I'm in, they're like home movies. I remember so many different things about it when I watch it. And as you're telling that story, my mind went like – it's very much like the Richard Peterson story that I just shared with you. It was perhaps too long. Do you like longer –

And you edit this, right? No, just from you. Talk as long as you like. Jeff, Jeff, Jeff. We'll just leave. Jeff, I assure you, I assure you, this is all gold. This is a great day for me. I love that you're here. You can do no wrong. You're the dude. You know, I think we have to acknowledge you are the dude. And you know what's so crazy? You came on my show once and you were wearing sandals, jelly sandals, and then you revealed...

These are the same ones you wore as the dude. And I felt like I was in Rome watching, looking at like a religious icon, you know?

You know, it was just crazy that you had those. Yes! What? Not them. These are my hokas. Those are the dudes 2000. Yeah, the dude is evolved. The dude evolves. Yeah, the dude. That should be the new one. The dude evolves. The dude evolves. There you go. It's all set up. Yeah. Lebowski too.

Yeah. And in this one, he's got a, he's pregnant, but he was mods got a baby on his way. The stranger said it up. And the one, and the one difference is his, his footwear. It's still open toad, but it has more support. Orthopedic. It's orthopedic. Yeah, that's really the only difference. I like that. I, uh, you know, I was going to, Oh, go ahead. He had that story. I was going to tell the story. So what that triggered when you were talking about the Thunderbolt in life, but,

That scene that you're talking about where I die in the car with Clint, I go up to Mike and I say, Mike, I've got an idea, Mike. Now, I can do this with my eye. I don't know where the camera is. See, like that. I can hold a half blank pretty good. So I said to him, why don't we get a dentist?

Because I'm supposed to die of a brain hemorrhage. Brain hemorrhage. You've been beaten really badly, and Clint thinks you're going to be okay. Yeah. I say, let's get a dentist up here and shoot me with Novocaine in the side of my face, and I'll go like that, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he said, okay. So we did that, and it worked great, and they lost the film. What? And we had to do the whole thing again, you know? Oh, my God.

I love being that. Who comes in and tells you that? You know the thing where you, the dentist has to come in. That's unbelievable. Because it's a very powerful ending where you think everything's okay, and then you realize that you're gone. Yeah. Man, I don't know what your approach is. I know that you're a very philosophical person who thinks about things and doesn't take things for granted.

I also happen to know that through your father, you learned, like, this is a job. Do you know what I mean? You've got to respect the crew. This is real work. So you grew up with this great ethic. And do you have a perspective on your career? Because you've done so many amazing... How do you see it? Do you see it as, like, I rode a wave? Do you see it as, I worked hard, I made good decisions, a mixture of both? Well...

It's quite amazing, you know. A friend asked me, what's it like to be famous? Kind of like, you know, what do you, you know, and I grew up with fame. You know, my dad was famous with Sea Hunt, you know, so it was kind of natural. And then the movie seems very, very natural thing. There doesn't seem anything too special about that to me. But as I think about the movies and I'm,

So fortunate to have discovered this camera, this WideLux camera that my wife gave me on our first anniversary. And I've taken pictures while I'm doing the movies. And I look at those books and they're like little lifetimes. You know, you remember all those intense relationships, you know.

And then poof, it's gone. And that's how I look back at it. Because you could have a very intense experience, you know, whether it's you're doing True Grit or Last Picture Show or whatever film you're doing, you have this... It's crazy for me to try and compare, but the only thing that I can relate to a little bit is...

is when I do comedy stuff or a show or travel to a different country, that's all, I'm in it 100%. And then it's over and I'm gone, but there's a document afterwards. And later on, I look at it and I go, oh, that's right, I was in Cuba. And what am I doing? I'm on a seawall in Cuba and I'm drinking rum with some kid I met and smoking a cigar. And that was...

it fires off little neurons in my head, but I also know that I, there's a thousand other things that I moved on to. It almost, it feels like the product, the movie or the TV, that is sort of the byproduct. And the real product is the experience of doing it, you know,

It's almost incidental. As crazy as that sounds, because you've done all this amazing work. Yeah, it's funny. It's what I was saying. I look at movies I'm in, and they're like home movies. It's hard for me to follow the story. ♪

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Okay, that's weird. Or that last-minute local getaway when you just really need to get out of the city for the weekend but don't want to deal with the airport. You know, I have to say, I've used Airbnb a couple of times, and it always makes me feel like I'm at home even when I'm away. Do you have that? I do, too. I mean, you know, I have two small kids who are loud, and so when I'm in a hotel, I feel a little uncomfortable. Well, you're loud, too. Oh, yes. Okay.

Okay, yeah, we're all allowed. And then in an Airbnb, I just feel much more comfortable traveling. You're not a self-conscious. No. Yeah, and also, you're staying in someone's home. Yeah. It's got that vibe of comfort, relaxation, normalcy instead of some stuffy hotel. Yeah. I don't want a mint on my pillow. Oh.

Hey, Blay, you use Airbnb, don't you? I do. I love it. And I will say, staying in someone's place really does add a lot. I'm a huge Stephen King fan, and the last Airbnb I stayed in had this book, From a Buick 8, which is one of the few Stephen King books I haven't read. So I actually started reading it in the Airbnb. It was pretty awesome. And you know what I do sometimes when I'm at an Airbnb? I often travel with a picture of myself in a frame. Oh, boy. And I take it out, and I put it up, and it feels like home. Yeah.

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You know what I love, Sona? What? Football season. Hell yeah. Football season is here. All the rituals. I get together with my buddies, my gang. Mm-hmm. My choes. Choes. I don't know what that is. Is that a word? Choes. I think it's chums and bros. You're choes. Oh, yeah, thank you. Yeah. Chums and bros are choes. Oh, okay. You heard it here first.

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As terrific a career as you've had as an actor, music haunts you. You know, you grew up playing music and you really were seriously considering, am I going to go into acting or am I going to be a musician? Like there's a fork in the road. And I feel like it's something you're still wrestling with. It's fine. Kind of dancing with it, man. I don't know. I think maybe it's kicked my ass, basically. I think at this moment,

I don't know if I'll get back into it as strongly as I did after Crazy Heart. Yeah. Right around when I did your show. You came on my show to do Crazy Heart, which was this phenomenal, phenomenal movie, phenomenal performance. And, you know, in 60, whatever I was, 62, whatever, you know,

I finally had my Beatle moment, you know, because there's nothing like playing in a band. You're a musician. Yeah, I love that. And it's just like, it's so great to do that. And my buddy T-Bone, you know, when we did Crazy Heart together, he did all the, you know, most of the music for it. And after Crazy Heart, I got my, you know, music...

you know, I was tickled. I said, well, I got some more tunes to do bone, you know, and he said, sure. And so we did an album and then we get a band. He says, well, I'm going to get the band together. And all these friends I got in Santa Barbara. And I had that, uh, uh, I'm, uh, I'm being triggering myself here. I had my beetle moment with my band at a Lebowski fest. Yeah.

Oh, man. So it all came together. Oh, and you're playing to a sea of dudes. Oh, man. No, but you know what's so nice is, I don't know about you, my experience has been, I've had, and Sonia, you were along for the 2010 experience where I went on this tour and there was a lot of music and crazy crowds and we did comedy, but we also, I got to have my moments of,

soloing in front of a sold out, like multiple tier. And it was just, it was a, it was a crazy experience. And what would happen is I'd start to think to myself, Hey, you know, I think I could do, yeah, I could, this is what I could do. This is what I could do. And you know, it always resets it. I'm around a Jimmy Vivino or a Jack White or any of these guys who really does it. And I go,

Oh, like, oh, I see. Oh, and it's I I'm constantly being humbled by people that that I love it. It's fun. I like to do it for fun. But if this was something I was meant to be doing, I'd have been doing it when I was seven years old. And that's what I was. That's comedy for me. So that decision was made. I didn't have to make it.

Well, now when you say wrestle or struggle, that's really this thing about comparison and everything. When we had all this downtime with the strikes and COVID and all that stuff, and different guys did different things during that time, you must have seen...

uh, inside, right? That guy, Bo Burnham. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic. Bo is phenomenal. Phenomenal talent. Yeah. Movie is the eighth grade. Yeah. He's phenomenal. Uh,

So I had a bunch of time, and you're a creative person. You say, what am I going to do? So I decided, I'm going to go back in my mind, my music mind, and discover old tunes and things that I'm now, I'm one of my 74. I say, how to perfect all that stuff going to a music. That's a lot of effort. There's a lot of things I like slowing down, not doing as much as I might have when I was younger.

I said, I've got all these things. You know, I'll just play with them. And I started going on the Internet and finding things to juxtapose these tunes, you know. Or I would take my little iPhone out and do things and juxtapose. I had fun. And I said, okay.

You know, I'll work with this other guy who knows how to make websites. Yeah, why not release this? I mean, why not? You know, I'm just sharing, man. This is my offer. This is what I got. You know, and listen to it. There's so much shit out now, isn't there, man? I mean, there's so much going on. So I said, well, why not put your shit out there? You know, so I decided to release this thing called Emergent Behavior. Mm-hmm.

Volumes one through five, you know, just, and, you know, so that's what I've done kind of musically. And that's where I'm at. And I don't know, I feel kind of spent. I don't know if I'll do volume six or what, but it was interesting, you know, what you were talking about, comparing yourself to the Beatles or these guys, you know, and,

And, wow, that really gets in our way, man. Well, a comparison. Because ultimately, isn't the spot that you want to get into where it's doing you, you're not even doing it, you know, with what you do. I'm sure you get into that place all the time. Oh, yeah. And just not take it too damn seriously, man. And let the thing...

come through what it wants to do. Don't be so ego tripping like, you know, just... Right. What is it? There's a famous quote that I'm not coming up with right now, but it's like comparison...

is the death thief of joy is the thief of joy thank you oh i thought it was aaron blair was the thief of joy and then it goes on further from there and also aaron blair thank you aaron that was i don't want i punish a guy for having the right answer and so welcome to stalin's uh holiday camp on the other side but yeah other side of that practice man like you say that that's what i regret not wood shedding you know i've got some friends that

did it, you know, when they were 12 and now they're just so facile. They can play whatever they want. Yeah. It's humbling. But, you know, I think the bigger point is comparison gets you nowhere. And trust me, I'm sure there are many actors who,

that have hurt themselves by comparing themselves to you, like your career, what you've accomplished. They've hurt themselves unnecessarily. Do you know what I mean? It's just it's a you can't get into that game. I just been hanging out with a guitarist. Do you know Blake Mills?

I know the name. Oh, man, you got to check him out. Here's another, just, I'm not, you know, we're talking music. Wolf Peck, do you know them? No. Oh, you know them? And the Fearless Flyers?

Blake has a great version of Signed, Sealed, and Delivered that he plays with the Fearless Flyers. It's really remarkable. It's amazing. I just always find... People ask me, who are your favorite groups? And I'll say, it's not even about a group for me. They're just certain songs, you know, that...

I hear it. I have to learn how to play it and I can't stop playing it. And sometimes it's not, it's by a very obscure musician. I don't really know if they've gone on, what else they've gone on to, but it just grabs me by the throat and then I have to do it. I just have to learn it, play it until everyone around me so tired of it.

that I'm asked to live in the yard. You must have seen Standing in the Shadow of Motown, didn't you? Yeah. Wasn't that a great movie, man? Also, you narrated, I believe. I narrated the history of rock and roll. But you also narrated, didn't you narrate the Credence Clearwire Revival documentary? That's right. That was great.

And I remember thinking, oh, I love them. But then the minute you were narrating it, I thought, oh, this is the right guy to take me through CCR. Yeah, absolutely. I got to play with him. Got on stage and played at the, what's the motorcycle? Sturgis. Oh, yeah. You played with John Fogerty. Yeah, man. Do you remember what you played? Sing it, sing it. No, I sang. I got to sing. I left the guitar work behind.

You know what's becoming clear to me? You were not acting in The Big Lebowski. Everything I see, you're like, yeah, man. Now you just get like a white Russian and start drinking it and going, yeah, a lot of angles. A lot of angles. You let the dude do you. Yeah, exactly. The dude did you and then never left. And then never left.

You know what's so funny? Dude-ism. Dude-ism is a religion now. Dude-ism. And you know what? I was raised Catholic. I'd switch to dude-ism. I think it makes more sense to me. I just visited the Pope and I would talk him into doing dude-ism. Tell me more of this dude-ism. He did have a white Russian. He did have a white Russian and he was saying, there's a lot of, you know, I gotta get the rug back. It ties the Vatican together. It ties the Vatican together. It's one rug.

But Judaism is a religion. Well, yeah. The Lebowski just keeps, you know, and there's the fest that goes on for three days. Yeah. And it's...

religion and there's a book, you know, was it something like... The Book of the Dude? No, many books. One book is written in Shakespeare, like Shakespeare would do it, you know. Two dudes in Verona. I'm sitting at this dinner party...

And on my right is Ram Dass, you know, the guy who would be here now. And this guy over here is a guy named Bernie Glassman. And he's a Zen master. And he leans over to me and says, I'm really Doug Lebowski. I say, oh, great. He says, it's full of koans, you know.

I said, "Cohons? What do you mean?" You know, and you know what a cohon is. I don't know. It's like, what is the sound of one hand clapping? You know, these kinds of zen... These kind of weird zen riddles or... Yeah, that make you... There's no logical answer to it. And he says, "The film's full of cohons." I said, "What are you talking about?" He says, "Well, who wrote and directed the film? The cohon brothers."

He's a wise ass, is what he is. I'm all about bringing Buddhism and Zen to modern times.

He says, let's write a book about Lebowski. And I said, what do you mean? He says, well, the dude abides. Very Buddhistic. Yes, yeah. I said, what are some other koans? Shut the fuck up, Donnie. Yeah, yeah. That's a koan? Yeah, yeah. Shut the fuck up, Donnie. Yeah, exactly. You know, or...

Well, that's just like your opinion, man. Yeah, yeah. So we go up to Montana and write for two weeks when we wrote a book, The Dude and the Zen Master, another blooming thing out of this movie. You know, it just keeps giving. You know, what's interesting to me is when that movie came out, it was not a success. It was not deemed a success. But like the best things...

it's resonates and then it grows and it grows and it grows and it grows. And it's going to keep on growing. And I think, you know, like a thousand years from now, there will be giant dude is in centers that people go to. Well, those brothers, the con brothers, I mean, you don't masters, you know, make it look like it's like, it's nothing, but they are the two guys. I'm pretty, I think I've met everybody. I, uh, revere, uh,

The Coen brothers. Love them. I'm obsessed with them. Never met them.

And I saw them once in a restaurant and I was sitting very nearby and I didn't say a word. Oh, and you wish you did. Well, I kind of was, I, I, I'm, that's how high up they are for me, which is like, I do not, I would not, you know, just to, to meet them would, would make my year. They're intimidating. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And I, and I have such,

They really are my go-to filmmakers, and I've watched all of their films so many times. Yeah, you can see them over and over and just appreciate the mastery. I mean, with Lebowski, you know, if something comes on that I'm in on TV, I'll, you know, click, watch a scene, click. But with Lebowski, you know, I'll say, I'll just watch, you know...

till, you know, Donnie dies or something like that. I get hooked. Because it's like... I love you watching Lebowski. I love you at home watching Lebowski and... It's like a black hole folding in on itself. I know, exactly. In a good way. It's the snake eating its tail. It's the snake birthing its tail. Birthing it. Very nice. Talk about a home movie, man.

man. I mean, that is very much a home. I just, you know, one of my favorite parts about that movie is, is when you, whenever you have a chance to get your favorite drink, uh,

As people do that like their drink, they'll kill time just so they can drink more. I always get the sense you're always saying like, yeah, a lot of angles, a lot of angles, a lot of levels. And you're bullshitting. You're totally... And I know I've done that in my life when I just didn't like, I got a nice glass of wine here. My wife thinks maybe we should, let's move on. Let's pay the check. And I'm like, you know, we got a lot to talk about here. A lot of angles, a lot of moves. Yeah.

I just want to have just everyone settle down for a second. DeToro made that movie, you know, another shoot of Lebowski. What's the name of it? Oh, where he plays his character. Yeah, he plays the pedophile. Yeah, the role everyone's after. I turned it down six times. You know, yeah.

You went through this intense experience, which makes me very grateful that you're here and looking like a million bucks.

You got a cancer diagnosis, I think in, it was 2021, is that right? I can't remember, but something like that. And it's a lymphoma, you're fighting that, and then you get really bad COVID at the same time. And it was, I've read that it was, and you've talked about it, it was rough. It was incredibly rough. And I don't know, do you come out of that with a different perspective? Yeah, yeah.

You know, to think of something like that as a gift seems bizarre, or before it actually happened seems bizarre. Now I can understand it. You know, you learn things during those times like those that you could only learn it in times like those, which is...

This is a gift, man. We're alive doing this? Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, no. We take it for granted, you know. Yeah. I've learned, I wish this wasn't true, I think it's just human nature, but there have been a number of times in my life where there's been some difficulty or a death, and I get this incredible perspective, and it starts drifting away.

Within 20 minutes. And I had it yesterday where I talked to a fan who's quite ill. And we had this really intense conversation. And I thought, I have no problems. I have no... I thought, this person's giving me a gift of this amazing perspective. And then...

I feel that for a while, but then inevitably you go home and then you can't get the cable to work, you know? And, and, but what I'm saying is it's like, I'm, I'm, you immediately go to, well, God damn it.

This Crestron never works. Sorry, Crestron. I know you do incredible work, but you got that. And I think your name check them. I'm sorry. They had it coming. They had it coming. Apparently this touchscreen isn't immediately giving me the entertainment I want to watch. And so, and then I stopped myself and I go, wait a minute. You were talking to someone who's quite ill and you had this amazing moment and all it took was your drive from Larchmont over to Brentwood and

to get you to this? Like, that's the part. But you have that flash. That's the important flash. The second one that pulls you back. Yeah, you said, oh, oh, and that word practice comes to mind. You know, we can practice this kind of

you know, and like you said, God, I fall into that all the time. Like what? You know, these bumps, you know, some, and what about the body, man, as you age? Oh, I don't like that shit, man. Well, unfortunately I, my body's perfect. Yes. Well, you saw that when I, when you walked in, you probably hugged you. I noticed the delts. Yeah.

You were rubbing me for a while. Remember that. Talk about a gift. It's this world we live in of streaming, which I'm still getting used to, where a show will come out and I'll start watching it and I'll binge it and I'll love it and then it's done. And then I'll say, okay, I want more because that's how we are. And so when The Old Man came out,

I watched this show. My wife and I watched it and absolutely loved it. Absolutely loved it. Just loved it. And your character, the way the story unfolds, we know so little about you, but then we start to realize there's more to this guy than meets the eye. And then more and more layers start getting exposed.

John Lithgow is it, who's also one of my favorite people. And he's fantastic. And then we learned you two have this big history together and it's about the CIA and generations and, and our involvement in, you know, foreign wars. And it's just, it's, it's a, it, but it's a great story, great acting. And it was over. And I was like, I want more right away. And I've had to wait forever.

And now it's back. Yeah, man. And I'm so happy that you guys have this other season because I can't wait, you know? Yeah, yeah. I hope you enjoy it. It's a good one. A lot of twists and turns and just keeps, you know, up and... Yeah, the writing is spectacular. Yeah, well, that's this guy, John Steinberg, who is our showrunner and the writer and really, yeah, he really put it together. And then...

the cast, not only the actors who are all splendid, you know, Amy Brenneman and Joel Grey, we got to do some stuff with Joel, but it's the cameraman. I'm always, I'm impressed with the cinematography of this thing.

Being primarily in movies, I didn't know about the TV thing, but there's such great stuff on TV, my gosh. I said, "Oh yeah, no, don't put that on there." Because the making of it, I mentioned the cinematography of the thing. It's like the same attention that goes into making movies. Well, what's happened is I don't think the line between what's a TV show and what's a movie

is meaningless to me now. Because it used to be the case that, you know. It's just a running length is the only difference. Yeah, exactly. But it's really some of the best acting, directing. I don't know if any of you saw Ripley, which was. What about Succession? Succession? Oh my God. Oh man, wasn't that cool? But you see these things play out and you think, no, no, this is great cinema. Call it what you want.

I'm not seeing it in a theater. What about... I'm sorry. No, no. I love that we're now plugging other people's projects. What about any show that's not your show? No, but what I was saying about The Old Man is that The Old Man is a cinematic experience to me because what got to me was when, from the first episode, you realize, what is going on with this guy? This guy looks like he's got a pretty simple life and then...

I can tell you're aware that something isn't right. You've been laying low for a long time and then you realize people are coming to get you and I'm in, I'm thinking, what is happening? And then the way the patience, you have to wait for it. You have to wait for each thing to unfold to find out who is this guy, Dan Chase? Who is he? Who was he? And then we get to see that in flashbacks. But the whole thing is,

teaching, I hope, a younger generation about patience. Like you don't get, you know, the way, I think what happened with movies is there's so much money on the line. Everything had to happen right away. Yeah. And they had to show you a trailer that showed you everything. Oh, I hate that. Yeah. And then I think, I did think once if Citizen Kane came out today, there'd be a trailer online that shows them that Rosebud is a sled.

and shows them burning it because, you know, we don't want anyone to have to wait for that. And that would be like the first thing they'd show is, it's about a guy who says, Rosebud, don't worry, it's a sled. It would also be merchandised as a toy sled. Yeah, a toy sled. Get the Rosebud sled. And so the whole mystery would be gone. But I love that

with your show, with a lot of these shows, you have to wait. And so I had to wait for the old man to come back. And it's like, you know, even though I think I'd have some pull with you and I could get you to call me up and tell me what happens. No, I had to wait. Well, what's so wild? I don't know what's going to happen. It's very much, you know, like life. You don't know what's going to happen the next second. And hopefully we're going to go into season three and I don't know where that, where it's going to go. I know I'm this guy and I put my faith in the,

showrunner, you know, do it. And so it's a, that's a fresh experience.

I'm going to take these things. I'm going to try that. Look at that. I just matched you. Huh? What do you think, man? You got the best. You know what? I'll keep coming up to the mic. Fuck these things. Let's take these off. Sona, do it. Oh, I don't know. I'm too scared. I'm too scared. No, no, put it back. Put it back. Hurry, they're burning. Hey, check me on this. Who's got better hair? Oh.

than this man. You, I mean, you're just, you know, I- You, the two of you. No, no, you. No, no, no, mine is more of a caricature. You have, that's fantastic. That's fantastic. And my hair heroes, you're one of them. The other was Jack Lord in Hawaii Five-0. Oh, yes, Jack Lord. Remember he had that big, sweet- Very nice, yeah. And then I was, my heart was crushed because I found out on this podcast that

Remember who we were talking to who did a scene with him as it was a, who was a child actor at the time. Was it, was it Kurt Russell? Who himself has amazing hair. Yeah. Who himself has amazing hair. But Kurt Russell's talking to me and went, yeah, I was a kid actor and I did a Hawaii five. Oh, and we were, uh, we were, they were doing my shot. So the camera wasn't on Jack Lord and he took his hair off. And I said, and I said, what do you mean? He took his fucking hair off. And he said, well, you know, it was a piece. I didn't know it was a piece. Oh,

Did you know? Go ahead and take yours off. No, no. I'm looking at you now. We're talking hair, and I'm thinking my favorite haircut was shaved head, bald. Oh, really? And I'm looking at your head, and I said, this man would look wonderful with a bald head. Should I go for it? Yeah. Have you ever thought about it? Never had a shaved head. Never had a shaved head. It's really nice. Have you guys? Never. None of you guys? Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

Well, you were a terrible skinhead for a while. It also wasn't my choice. My friends did the thing where they shaved my head. Did you like it finally? Did you get into it? You know what? I will say I did like it. You feel so clean and smooth. At first, it feels like you're just your forehead, but up here. And then you get this shark face.

Yes. It feels like shark skin. Yeah. And you get a little velvet thing. It's erotic. It is. A cat's tongue. A little bit of a cat's tongue. The way water hits on there and stays in there when you take a shower. But also, the no fuss, no muss. I mean, I'm six hours every morning with my hair team. You know, they're putting, they're using curlers. They're injecting. Oh, wow. This is after six hours? Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, then I was in a terrible accident. Okay.

My hair saved my life, but it shattered. I don't think I would shave my head because it's such a part of my identity that I've been pretty much reduced to like, I am a Woody Woodpecker cartoon. You know, like I'm not even a person anymore. I'm a cartoon character. I was going to ask you, did you, you know, use you? And now I'm seeing this as a silly question because I'm imagining, of course you did, but maybe I'm wrong.

Did you put product in your hair and work that? Yeah. Look at that. Zeus. Zeus is in the house. How do you do it? You have no idea. What was your product? Okay, I'll tell you exactly what it was. I got into...

That was my first love, rockabilly music. And I would play the old, like, Burnett Brothers, and I would, I grew the sideburns. And I realized my hair would do that, so I first piled it up. And I used this stuff that a friend of mine turned me on to. He was like, use 10X. And there was this stuff they made called 10X, and you'd put it in your hair, and then you could comb it up,

And I was doing this in the 80s. Not a lot of other people were doing it. And then I get a job on The Simpsons. I remember I'm at The Simpsons and I'm a writer, producer, and I have these sideburns, Eisenhower jacket with the collar flipped up.

hair and I'd walk in and the writers would be like what are you doing this isn't a production of Grease we're writing The Simpsons I'm like hey man you know but I don't know what it was I was that's what I wanted to do and so my first big magazine cover was Rolling Stone and they put me on the cover of Rolling Stone and this guy had this idea which is he

He took my hair and then he added these extensions and we blew it way out. And it's my one of my favorite. I've seen it like there's an air. It's in an airport somewhere where they just put Rolling Stone covers up. But mine was one of them. And the hair, it's like 50 pounds of hair and a giant wave on my head. And it looks absolutely insane. But I was like, in my mind, even though that's a joke.

That's what I really wanted it to be and still do. You know, you must do that. I do it sometimes. And my wife is like, can we go? Yeah, not yet. I need more mayonnaise for my cloth. How about a duck tail? Never had never did the duck. Never did it. No, that's kind of classic rockabilly. I know I didn't do the duck tail, but I just got lost in all that.

I don't know. I come down to the, it comes down to this for me. I think there's a lot we do that's compulsion. When people tell their story, they act like they made choices and they forged who they are. And more and more, I think, I don't know. My life is a bunch of synaptic misfires. Yeah.

And now here I am. I'm, you know, the hair, the choice of so many things. That's very dudist. No, but it is. I mean it. And I say misfires, meaning I have a... It sounds absurd for me to say I made any of this happen. I didn't make any of this happen. And I'm here talking to you and I don't know... You're one of my all-time favorite actors, people, and...

You're here talking to me. I didn't make this happen. This just happened and I couldn't be happier. There's this guy Sapolsky, you know, who's saying there's no such thing as willpower. That's, you know, I didn't control at all from the very, you know, from the circumstances that you come out of. I don't know. I kind of feel mixed about that.

You feel, I do. Huh? Because it maybe lets us off the hook too much. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah. Because then anyone could say, yeah, I just murdered eight people and left their bodies by the roadside, but that's just what I did. You know, you're like, no, no. Yeah, and he's big on crime, all those people in jail who we say, you're a bad person.

He's saying it's the circumstances. Yeah, a lot of times that's true. From the very, very beginning of all of how it turns out. I think it's kind of, don't you feel life is so paradoxical? You know, there's not one way, one thing. I think it's kind of both. Maybe it's only willpower. I don't know.

- Co-ons, man. - Co-ons, it's co-ons. - Yeah, there you go. - It is, it is. And there are two co-ons. - Yeah, that's the sound of one Coen brother clapping. - Yeah, that means one Coen brother's really pissed about something. Doesn't like the edit. Well, I wanna make sure people check out the second season of "The Old Man." It's so easy to binge the first season and I'm just a lifelong fan of the show.

And not just of your work, but you're an authentically nice and feeling person. And I'm just, it's an honor to know you. It really is. Feel that same way. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm a good actor. There you go. Thanks a lot, Jeff. Beautiful. Okay. Thank you.

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We don't do this often. You're crinkling papers in the background. It sounds like... Oh, let's try again. Abide, man. Just abide. Yeah. That'll work once they know what I'm talking about. Here we go. Three, two. I control everything. Controllo. Opposite of the dude. This is... Yeah, you really are. Shh. Quiet. There is no rug. What? Three, two.

We don't do this often. Oh my God. All of this is staying in. Yes, please. But no, my control will come out. You'll never know. You'll never know. You really will never know. Someday I will listen to this podcast as soon as I can figure out how to work whatever machine plays this. I am definitely. You couldn't even think of anything. I don't know the machine. Your phone. I am definitely going to edit the first part of this segment.

It's not common that we have a guest on, the guest leaves, and then we say we have to talk. We have to talk immediately. But the great Jeff Bridges just left the building. And there is something nourishing about being in that man's presence. He's such a talented guy, but he's also very humble and sweet and wise. And we're just sitting here with him.

And I don't know. I just I'm I feel like I've been healed. It's like a car wash for the soul or something like that. I love his vibe. He's got a good vibe. He's got a very good vibe. Can I tell you something that happened that is just so dude? Yeah. The listeners wouldn't know this, but every one of these seats has a little tape mark for where your belly button is supposed to go so that we line up with these cameras. And people are reminded of it every time they come in. We are reminded.

Just to make sure that we get good footage of the person. Yeah. And there's a point about, I don't know, 30 minutes to this interview where he just, can I take off these headphones? And then he just looked down at the piece of tape and just goes, takes it off. Like, I will not be, not be burdened by this mark that I have to hit. It was so wonderful. Why would the dude. So symbolic. Symbolic that someone was trying to control him with a little piece of tape. Yeah. Like, keep your belly button here. No. No.

Yeah. No, I'm just going to, I'm going to let the universe guide me. Yeah. Not this colored piece of tape. My belly button mark is where my belly button is. Yes. That was a, that's very wise slash stupid. Yeah.

Yeah. But I thought, I loved when he took the headphones off. I'm always wondering, now here's where we get into it with Eduardo. Eduardo always says we need to wear these giant cans on our head so that we're reminded of where to put our mouths near the microphone. And part of me thinks, huh, because wouldn't people be more relaxed and look cooler if they didn't have that burden on?

of having these things on their ears. We've had some guests request not to do it, and I think those have turned out fine. Eduardo, why don't you weigh in from your very narrow technological perspective? Sure, happy to. There are professionals out there who I would trust to...

who not wear headphones because they've been around mics enough times that they know to always be near them. Like DJ Jazzy Jeff or Shabby Shrimp. Exactly. And then there are other people that I think are great storytellers and they start to tell stories with their hands or their body and then they start to drift away. Who was that recently that really sat back in their chair? I can't recall, but it's been more than a few. Oh, it was Lean Along Jones. Yeah.

Well, he's entitled. So without the headphones, they don't realize that they're... So I think the answer here is to improve the technology

So that the microphone moves with the person. Sure. And the cameras move when the person moves and the lights move. Now, I realize this is a lot of money. The camera does move. The camera does move. They move it. Why do we have a belly button mark? Well, I mean... Why do we have a belly button mark? We have a belly button mark because if we move too far, then we're in each other's shots. That's right. Why am I explaining this?

I love it. I found you years ago. Oh, God. Don't even know. Don't don't. Don't explain to me. No, I appreciate that. No, I understand that there needs to be a general reference point. Yeah. But I do think it's important that people are comfortable. And let's get back to the important thing. Two points. One, Eduardo has failed us.

And I think also hamstrung us creatively. And I'll get you, Eduardo, if it's the last thing I do. Two. Adam's with me on this one. You didn't have a second.

point. You just wanted to get on a rant and you don't even know what you're complaining about. No, two is, let's get back to Jeff Bridges. Can you be more Jeff Bridges? Can you try? You know what? I honestly believe that I should. Go across the Jeff Bridges, go across the bridges of Jefferson County and be more like Jeff Bridges. I hope you're proud. I hope you're happy with yourself. So far. And you know what? That's staying in. That

That was so... I stand by that. I'm proud of that. You are proud of it? I want it on my tombstone. Yeah. Trust me, it'll go on your tombstone and it'll be soon. I love him. You know, I'm ordained in the Church of Dude. Is that true? Yeah. When I was officiating one of my closest friend's weddings once and I was so nervous because when you get ordained, you've done it. It takes...

minutes online. Yeah. And so I got ordained at four different online churches and one was the church of dude. Just why for, because I got nervous. I wasn't ordained enough. It's like, it's good to have different passports. You never know what's going to come down. It is. Yeah. You didn't want to bring that up while he was here. I was nervous around him. He made me nervous. There are very few people who've been here who've made me nervous. And Jeff Bridges, I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this. Uh,

I do, and I'm saying this not as a joke or anything. At my stage in my life, my career, I do think it should be a mission of mine to become a

I'm being completely honest. More like Jeff Bridges. I don't want to. What else is the point? What's the point? And it'd be one thing if you could say, yeah, but he's a great example because his body of work is fantastic. And I think he's lived this ethos. He's authentic. Did you notice too, after we finished, he got up and he just did this.

Now, can I just say something? I do that. I used to do that around the interns and I was spoken to. I was spoken to. It looked so much cooler when he did it. I'm not denying that. It's going on my tombstone. And this is a podcast. You should explain what you did. Yeah. I think the audience gets it. And you need to not do that around interns.

I used to do it and say, it's old lighthouse crotch. And not the shape, it's the illumination. Yeah, Jeff Bridges stood up and he stuck his tummy out and sort of did like a rotation. Like he's hula hooping without a hula hoop. Hula hooping without a hula hoop is fine. And yeah, I think that that's something I would never do. I don't have that. He's just so comfortable with himself. Yes. He's got like a stoners vibe. Yeah.

He does. I think, yeah. So I wonder, I don't know. Does he partake? Hey, I have a question. Why don't, well, I was going to say we become stoners now, but Sona is a stoner. But like you and I, Matt, we have a similar thing, I think, which is we're probably worriers. We prepare. We're wound up. A little wound tightly. And I was thinking the other day, like at this point, why not just...

I don't know. Just become a stoner. That part about just practice about, you know, what you said really resonated me when you're talking to that person who is ill and that how you lose it because the cable goes wrong.

What else is the point? Well, you know what it is? I think, uh, we drift. There's constant drift. You're never in a fixed place. So I saw this in New York on nine 11 after nine 11, nine 12, nine 13. I mean, everywhere you went, people were asking each other, how are you? You'd go to a restaurant. The waitress would come over. The waitress would sit with us. We'd talk. How are you? Where do you live? How are you getting to work? Um,

Is everyone you know okay? It was just incredible. And then I remembered thinking, I think it lasted like three and a half weeks. And then people went back to being, you know, we're New Yorkers. And this is nothing about New York. It would be the same thing in Boston. It would be the same thing in Los Angeles, San Francisco. We're human beings. So hit us over the head really hard with a two-by-four. And we have this incredible wisdom and generosity of spirit.

and then wait 20 minutes and it's like, hey, I said I want chiclets. You know, that's the kind of gum. Give me my chiclets. Yeah. You know... Are chiclets gum? Wow. I had no idea. Did you know about chiclets? I don't know if something I'm saying is... Can you just be more like Jeff Bridges, please? Okay, he would not do what you just did. Try it. You were like, oh, this moment in history and then you immediately do something very un-JB. Yeah. And it's not... You're just...

You have a long way to go. Go over a Jeff bridge too far. You have to stop making bridge jokes. I'm going to need three tombstones. How many tombstones can one man have? Oh my God. You cannot have too many too quickly. I'll put you there. You know what? You two are, you two have a lot of work to do. I'm cool. I feel like I'm there, man. Yeah. He wouldn't have gotten, he wouldn't have thrown out. Even if he did say chicklets, he'd just say it. Yeah. And then if you picked up on it, you picked up on it. But I'm like, well, do you know what that is? That was, is that still a gum? I don't want to look like I'm too out of touch.

I should have just said it. But Sona, also, you are the most Jeff Bridges of us all. But if you were at true peak Jeff Bridges, you wouldn't have had a problem with that joke I made. He would have been like, all right, man. He wouldn't have laughed. Yeah, he wouldn't have laughed. But he would have appreciated it. No, I don't think anyone would have laughed. No, because I think he's heard a lot of bridge jokes. I don't even think it's funny. I think a hyena would have not. A hyena that was laughing, there would have been a cessation of laughter. Start crying. If there was a hyena here going, hey!

Bridges too far. He would have just turned into a coyote. Stone cold silence. Well, the minute I come back in the room, I don't like the tone of this. It's time to wrap. All right. Well, anyway, Jeff Bridges, you are a very special, cool spirit and we're indebted to you. And let's all try to be more doodler as we move forward on this podcast. True.

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