Co.08 和7岁侄女一起做一本书：艺术就是在日常里创造一种“美”（x 艺术工作者闹米）
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What inspired the creation of the collaborative poetry and art book 'Adventure'?
The book 'Adventure' was inspired by spontaneous games and poetry created during daily interactions with a 7-year-old niece. The idea was to engage her in the artistic process and create something tangible for an art festival, encouraging her to move away from digital devices and engage in real-life creative activities.
How does the art collaboration between an adult and a child differ from traditional art education?
In traditional art education, there is often a power struggle over what is considered 'good' art, focusing on realism and correctness. In contrast, the collaboration between an adult and a child in 'Adventure' was a mutual learning process with minimal intervention, preserving the child's raw and imaginative expressions.
What materials and techniques were used in the creation of 'Adventure'?
'Adventure' was created using a mix of scanned original drawings and handwritten texts from a sketchbook, printed on a special fibrous paper to enhance the tactile experience. The book was designed to be small and easy for children to handle, resembling traditional small-format books.
What role does imagination play in the art projects discussed by Naomi?
Imagination is central to Naomi's art projects, allowing for the exploration of abstract concepts and the blending of reality with fantasy. This approach encourages both children and adults to see the world from different perspectives and to create without boundaries, enhancing creativity and personal expression.
How does Naomi integrate art into everyday life with children?
Naomi integrates art into everyday life by engaging in activities like story-telling games, DIY performances during festivals, and using everyday objects for creative projects. These activities are designed to be accessible and engaging, fostering creativity and a hands-on approach to art without the need for expensive materials.
What challenges does Naomi face in selling her art books, and how does she address them?
Naomi faces challenges in selling her art books due to their high cost and niche appeal. She addresses this by not relying on book sales for her primary income, instead focusing on other artistic endeavors like ceramics. She participates in art book fairs more for the creative deadline and interaction with the audience rather than for sales.
What is Naomi's perspective on the role of art in daily life?
Naomi views art as a means to create beauty in everyday life, emphasizing that art should be accessible and integrated into daily activities. She believes in the power of art to transform ordinary experiences into something extraordinary, using imagination to explore and express the nuances of human relationships and the environment.
How did Naomi transition from a business background to a career in art?
Naomi transitioned from a business background to art by self-teaching and experimenting with different artistic mediums. She applied to art schools abroad, including the Royal College of Art, where she was accepted and later received a full scholarship. This bold move was driven by her passion for art and a desire to explore creative expression.
- 基于日常和小朋友一起玩的即兴游戏、编的即兴诗歌创作诗画集。
- 共创过程是互相学习的过程，只有一点点引导，没有过多的干预。
- 融入日常的艺术创作，追随孩子就好，不需要大人发起。
Shownotes Transcript
欢迎来到新一期的CoChildren FM，我是Fiona。上个月在杭州天目里逛abC艺术书展，逛了4层楼，遇到了挺多可可爱爱的东西，但最终用人民币为一件作品投票了，是一个小姨和她外甥女的共创诗画集。
特别吸引我的是，在这本小书上，7岁小女孩儿质朴拙趣的字迹、画迹和不那么符合常理的奇思妙想都被原封不动地保留着，并没有被这位皇艺毕业的艺术工作者小姨“修修改改”成规整的大人模样。我一拍大腿：这不就是co-children吗😆
因为一直在儿童教育这个领域，见过+体会过很多艺术共创过程中大人与小孩之间**“权力关系的争斗”**，比如：到底什么是好看？符合现实逻辑、画的像不像到底重不重要？
所以，这让我特别好奇她们共创背后的故事，在这期节目中，我邀请了闹米从她们一起创作的这本小书开始，聊了聊：
- 如何进行贴近生活日常的（儿童）艺术观察和实践
- 在和小朋友进行共创的过程中的挑战、张力和惊喜
- 闹米本人在大学毕业后零基础从商科转行到艺术领域的跨界故事（比如和一堆小朋友一起学素描😆）
🔴 本文图文精华稿会发布在同名公众号【CoChildren】上（🚧施工中） 🧩 本期Guest Speaker：闹米
闹米，独立插画师，视觉艺术工作者。2019毕业于英国皇家艺术学院视觉传达-插画系。她热衷于结合不同的媒介探索更丰富的视觉语言。她的作品被称是雕塑化的插画，通过使用包括插画、陶瓷、雕塑、书籍和装置等形式来探索“关系”的本质，并试图模糊具象和抽象的界限，想象力和现实的边界。
@公众号：闹米进化论
@微店：闹米的店)
△目前居住和生活在景德镇
🧩 收听导引
00:02:16 Intro：在天目里逛abC艺术书展认识的摊主闹米
00:03:35 Section 01 | 儿童观：从和7岁侄女的共创诗画集《大冒险》展开聊聊和小朋友一起进行艺术共创这件事儿
- 书的创作过程没有什么特别的，都是基于日常和小朋友一起玩的即兴游戏、编的即兴诗歌，没什么逻辑。报艺术书展都是为了推动自己和小朋友一起完成一件成品。
- 作为专业艺术工作者，在共创过程中，面对小朋友作品会有评判心吗？没有，共创的过程是互相学习的过程，只有一点点引导，没有过多的干预。
- 融入日常的艺术创作，大部分时候不需要大人发起，追随孩子就好：春节的DIY节目演出、生日派对后的旧物改造、在车上打发时间的即兴故事接龙、去公园里观察树和石头、为家里的小狗创作故事剧本、基于剧本拍微电影…… —— 这些都不费钱，最费的是要花时间陪伴和思考
00:28:33 Section 02 | 艺术观：艺术就是在生活中创造一种美 艺术最大的魔法就是“什么都可以”的想象力，让我们的生活延展到身体无法抵达的地方。
- 30:26 很难去界定艺术是什么，发生在哪里，它就应该是溶于日常的，我的作品都与日常有关。比如我热爱把生活中的事物进行拟人化的创作：墙壁先生和树小姐的故事。
- 00:41:07 5岁小孩、80岁老人、重度抑郁症患者、癌症患者、保安、企业家……参与的公共艺术项目<I THANK U>：做人，是一件有希望的好事情)
- 00:47:41 皇艺的学习让我感受到表达无需拘泥于一种媒介：虽然我是插画专业，但所有专业混合上课，毕业展也不要求用插画来表达
- 53:45 现实拷问：做小众的艺术书咋挣钱？答：所以就是不靠它挣钱😅（参加艺术书展也并不是为了卖货）
00:59:33 Section 03 | 跨界之旅：跨界之前是白开水一般的无趣人生，跨界之后才真正感受到真正活着的感觉
1:07:49 为跨界做了什么努力？
- 零基础学画画：和小朋友一起扎堆学素描- 艺术留学机构太贵了所以自己DIY了整个申请过程+作品集- 没报什么希望顺便申了一下QS排名第一的皇艺，结果竟然上了- 别人都说申全奖肯定没希望，但我认真研究了一翻材料还是决定试一试，结果全奖GET✅ 总而言之：人就是要敢想！保持想象力，去试一试，至少有0.1%的可能性
🧩 更多阅读
- 闹米：阿果和小姨，她们那个同是七岁的世界。)
- 闹米：我在英国皇家艺术学院读插画的二年到底都做了些什么？)
- 作品 <Guilty Pleasure / 罪恶快感_薯片>：一本书也可以是一部定格动画？)
- 作品<她和她的朋友们>：介绍了身边不同的静物朋友，墙壁先生、床铺女士、月亮小姐……)
- 5岁小孩、80岁老人、重度抑郁症患者、癌症患者、保安、企业家……参与的公共艺术项目 <I THANK U>：做人，是一件有希望的好事情)
🧩 节目制作
全流程制作 / Fiona
视觉设计 / Malcolm
主题曲《和你在一起》/ Monkey
音效 / Free Music @Apple Garage Band
图片由闹米本人提供