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Campsite Media. Hello? What is this? What do you want me to say? Oh, it's just a chameleon. Chameleon. Okay. You're listening to Chameleon, a production of Campsite Media. Hey, a quick warning. There's some explicit language in this episode that may not be appropriate for younger listeners. So Chuck Rowe and Dennis Lau, the FBI agents I'm talking about in this podcast, have a history of putting together questionable criminal conspiracies.
As you heard about in the last episode, they created a gun smuggling ring out of three Filipinos and a bunch of beat up, barely usable firearms. But the FBI also catches real bad guys in similar kinds of stings. Early in my career as a reporter, I wrote some investigative stories about police corruption in Hollywood, Florida, just north of Miami. It's a stylish little town with a boardwalk on the beach and a restaurant lined Main Street.
I spent over a year documenting the very troubled Hollywood Police Department and how bad cops not only got to stay on the force, but also pretty much got to run the town. Apparently, some federal agents were reading my stories because not long after, the FBI secretly set up a sting targeting some of the police officers I'd written about. The FBI does this a lot.
Public corruption cases are a top priority for the Bureau. If agents think they've got corrupt state or local officials, they'll open an investigation and raise the stakes using a federal law known as the Hobbs Act, which makes it a federal crime for public officials to accept money in exchange for some form of official action. So in Hollywood, Florida, the FBI guys posed as mobsters, and they offered money to a few cops to provide protection.
Those cops escorted what they thought was heroin from Miami Beach to Hollywood and a load of what they thought were stolen diamonds all the way from Florida to New Jersey. These cops were bad, dirty, and the FBI took them down. They all went to prison. Good job, FBI. The challenge for FBI agents in investigating criminal enterprises is where to draw the line. At what point are you creating a criminal enterprise rather than uncovering one? The answer to that question isn't always easy.
because there is an inherent bias. This is actually one of my favorite conversations to have with FBI guys. I don't think that most people appreciate that the FBI, and cops in general, have the same pressures to produce that people in other professions have. Take me, for example. I'm a journalist, or in this specific instance, a podcaster. Imagine if I'd spent seven months out in the field, interviewing people, burning up time and money, and then I went back to the people paying me,
And I said, hey, look, that story I've spent the past seven months researching, yeah, well, it hasn't worked out. I'd probably get fired, right? This pressure isn't all that different for FBI agents. If they've got an investigation approved and they're working it week after week, month after month, the last thing they want to do is go to their superior and say, hey, boss, there's no case here. And so there's an incentive for FBI agents to keep pushing, to build a case no matter what.
And sometimes, the agents push way too hard. I'm Trevor Aronson. From Campside Media, this is episode five of High Rollers, season two of Chameleon. This episode, I'm going to return to the story of Emile Bouhari and the other people Dennis and Chuck pulled into their undercover money laundering sting. As you know, Dennis and Chuck and Michelle, the informant, got Emile to launder tens of thousands of dollars as part of Operation Botox.
And now they want to make sure Emil is more than just a lone money launderer. They want to make him the head of an enterprise, a criminal enterprise. And not just a criminal enterprise, but a Middle Eastern criminal enterprise. That's what Chuck wrote in the file for Operation Botox. The description is curious, to say the least. What's the connection to the Middle East? Emil's Lebanese heritage, I guess. ♪
and maybe the fact that the FBI looked briefly into Emil in the days after 9/11 and wrote down wild, unverified, and ultimately untrue claims about him. Back when he started Operation Botox in 2014, Chuck would have had an incentive to describe his investigation as targeting a Middle Eastern criminal enterprise. Even 13 years after 9/11, the FBI was singularly focused on counterterrorism, preventing the next attack, and investigating how terrorist networks financed themselves
That was then, and is today, the FBI's number one priority, the largest part of the FBI's annual budget. In the bureaucracy of the FBI, a Middle Eastern criminal enterprise has a lot more juice than just your average American criminal enterprise. So now Dennis and Michelle, working to investigate this supposed Middle Eastern criminal enterprise, want Emil to introduce them to other people. They want Emil's friends to launder money.
You remember that Dennis has already talked to Emil's friend Mary about money laundering. You know, from that time when Dennis and Mary went out for drinks and also talked about threesomes. And for every friend Emil refers, Dennis offers to give Emil a cut. So Emil has a financial incentive to help Dennis find other money launderers. And Emil, well, he falls for this. He gets in on that action. Here's Michel. Riva is a friend of Emil's.
She does Botox and filler injections. Riva would be great, but she just recently married this guy and he's sold by the books. Riva doesn't work out, but Emile Bouhari's best friend is a guy named Steve Fitch. Like Emile, Steve's a salesman. He sold advertising for radio and television stations, even America Online, or AOL, back in its heyday. But the easiest product for him to sell has been an erectile dysfunction remedy.
Here's Steve talking to Dennis and Michelle. You might not have heard that. Dennis said, better than Viagra and Cialis? He's talking about two brand-name erectile dysfunction drugs that dilate a man's blood vessels and make it easier to, well...
rise to the occasion. But Steve wasn't selling a little blue pill. His stuff came in a syringe with a sharp needle at the end. You stick it right into your, well, you know. This is a shot. You know, I did it once just to experience it, but all the sensitivity at the end, you don't decide. We had a guy, though, that was so sensitive. So he self-administered? Yeah, it's spring-loaded, and you just go...
If you need to lose weight, you can go to Emile's clinic. If you can't get an erection, Emile's friend Steve can hook you up. This is the strange world in which Dennis and Michelle are offering money laundering opportunities. And things just keep getting more and more ridiculous in this FBI sting. Next up is Emile's friend Mike. This Mike guy? He just stands Dennis and Michelle up. Doesn't even show up for the dinner.
A frustrated dentist calls his FBI colleague, Chuck, from the restaurant bathroom. So back to the drawing board.
They move to another friend of Emil's, a woman named Sarah, in a Las Vegas nightclub. Can he do that? Can he do that? After clubbing with Sarah, Dennis and Michelle are driving away. Dennis asks Michelle if this woman they'd met, Sarah, did she know they were supposed to be bad guys? She knows you're bad guys, right? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. You sure? About it, yeah.
That's when Michelle points out to Dennis that the woman they're trying to set up in a money laundering sting is a mother. You can hear Dennis breathe out a large sigh, but they're not deterred. Next, they move on to meet with a real estate agent who boasts of his recent record of selling houses in Las Vegas.
But buying and selling property, I sell about 110 homes a year. And most of the ones I've sold in the last three years, they've resold for 100% profit. Wow. Okay, so that real estate agent had quite a story for Dennis and Michelle. 110 homes sold a year, most resold for 100% profit. A lot of money to be made. And let me tell you about one more guy they tried to get. His name is Robby.
The FBI's Operation Botox case file, by the way, says he's a pothead who lives in West Virginia, has a trust fund worth more than $300 million, and that he's friends with former First Lady Michelle Obama. It's unclear if any of that is true. The FBI never checked out the claims and instead just wrote them down in a file, the same way the FBI recorded the false claims about Emil after the 9-11 attack. The only source the FBI had for this information about this Robbie guy came from a conversation Dennis had
with someone Emil knew where this came up. Dennis and Michelle never got this Robby guy. Dennis had a phone conversation with him to talk business. That's Dennis inviting Robby out to Las Vegas or Los Angeles. And nothing more happened. And the rest of the people I just talked about?
The erectile dysfunction guy, Steve. The woman in the nightclub. The real estate agent. None of them agreed to launder money. Ever. The FBI approached more than a dozen of Emil's friends and associates and asked if they wanted to launder money. Only two people did. One was Emil's girlfriend, Kim Milko. Kim laundered $110,000 in total for Dennis and Michelle. What's that? Uh... He should... Oh, you reset it earlier. Did you?
because it should total the whole thing. She was so new to money laundering that during her first transaction with Dennis, Michelle had to teach her how to use the money counter. Oh really? So I don't have to write it down? Yeah, you don't have to write it down. Okay, if you do 26. Well, now you have to. You have to start from the beginning. Okay, put them up. You want to count per bundle? Per bundle, yeah. But it adds it up on the bottom. We have to realize that so I don't have to write it all down.
The fact that Kim got involved here, it really messed up Emil's relationship with her. We'll get to that later. Dennis and Michelle were also able to get Mary Green to launder $25,000 as well. Mary, the one you know from the arrest on the toilet and the threesome conversation with Dennis. Unlike Kim, Mary didn't have trouble with a money counter because she didn't have a money counter. According to the FBI file, she told Dennis that she didn't need to count the money. Dennis explained to her that counting the money is kind of standard procedure in money laundering.
But Mary told them she just counted at home later. Not exactly the actions of a hardcore money launderer. But Dennis and Michelle weren't finished with the supposed criminal enterprise headed by Emile Bouhari. They'd soon target one more person Emile is really close to. Emile's own flesh and blood. More after the break. You're listening to Chameleon from Campside Media.
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the erectile dysfunction guy, called his bookkeeper and explained what Dennis had proposed. So I called Steve and talked to him about this. Hey, Trevor. Steve sells cars in Las Vegas now. Luxury cars. Infinities.
Emile said, hey, it's great. They give you cash. You write them a check. You can write it off. I have an operations manager who she's also paralegal. And she pretty much is my left-hand lady. And I called her up. I said, damn, they want to do this. And she said, no. I go, what? She goes, that's money laundering. I go, oh, it is? Because I had heard of money laundering. I didn't really know exactly what it was. And she said, no, you will not do that.
I said, oh, OK. I didn't know that. So that was that was the end of our conversation. I never, ever talked to him again. The supposed Middle Eastern criminal enterprise that Chuck and Dennis were investigating for the FBI. Whatever this was, it wasn't that. It was more like Operation Botox was investigating anyone in Emil's contacts. And the vast majority of these people, they're just regular people. Well, OK, not exactly regular people.
We are talking about people hawking rapid weight loss plans and erectile dysfunction remedies. What I mean is, they don't appear to be criminals. They aren't money launderers, certainly. And yet the FBI spends weeks and weeks trying to lure these people into laundering money. The FBI isn't allowed to just do this, investigate anyone. The FBI needs what's known as a criminal predicate, a factual basis to believe that someone is committing a crime.
So I asked Jeffrey Danik, a retired former FBI supervisory agent, what it takes to predicate an investigation. Just as an example, if someone came to the FBI and came to you when you were in the FBI and said, hey, this guy Trevor Aronson, he's running guns, and that's all you had, is that a predicated investigation? No. The information might get a case open, but then I would say, well, let's buy one from him. Trevor sells guns, let's buy one. Can we buy one? Here's the phone. Call Trevor.
Tell him you just came in to $5,000, so you got a guy with five grand, wants a gun. What do you got? The FBI, in this case, talks Emil into laundering money for them. Sure, they didn't exactly twist his arm, but there's no evidence Emil has ever laundered money before. And so they then use Emil as a kind of predicate to justify anyone who Emil suggests might be interested in their so-called business opportunities. Even though the FBI has no reason, other than Emil's introduction,
to think these people might actually launder money. But very few of Emil's friends and associates take the bait, proving, in a sense, that the FBI shouldn't have been investigating these people in the first place. Then Dennis and Chuck hit up someone new, someone Emil cares about more than anyone else. So remember the story I told you back in episode two about this guy in Florida named Ghassan? He loses everything, his freedom, his home, his business, because he made the mistake of associating with the wrong people.
at the wrong time. Well, Ghassan is Gus Bouhari, Emile's brother. Gus came to the United States on an investor visa to start Bouhari Clinic franchises in the Philadelphia area. When Emile's business went under, Gus went out on his own, creating a new diet clinic company. He left the Philadelphia clinics to a business partner and eventually moved with his wife to Miami to start new clinics there. That's about when Emile started telling Gus about his new business opportunities.
Emil called me in early 2014. I had just moved to Miami and he told me, "Listen, I have this business opportunity. I've met these guys as a business opportunity that you might be interested in getting, you know, everybody here is interested in this business opportunity." And I'm like, "Oh, cool. What is this business opportunity?" He's like, "I'll tell you later. I'll tell you later."
Back in Las Vegas, Emil is actually thinking about a change. His girlfriend, Kim Milko, has just moved to Costa Rica after she had laundered some money for Dennis. And Emil plans to join her there in time. And we're going to talk a lot later about Paul Pata, the local lawyer Emil wrote all those negative reviews about. And the guy, Emil claims, he got into a verbal spat with at a Vegas bar, something Paul denies ever happened. Anyway, at this point, Paul is suing Emil in Las Vegas for defamation.
over those internet reviews. And Emil's been evading service. You've seen a process server in countless movies and TV shows. Good. I won't have to walk far. Olivia Pope, you've been served. That's what Emil's trying to avoid. If he can't be served with a lawsuit, Emil figures the lawsuit won't go anywhere. As I said, we'll get into that later because that's a hell of a rabbit hole. And with all this happening, Miami's looking pretty good to Emil. And there's another reason to move there. Gus and his wife are about to have a baby. Here's Gus.
Miami is more attractive and it's getting more attractive to move to Miami because now he can be an uncle. There's a family there and he's bringing with him business opportunities that I could do. Those business opportunities Gus is talking about, he's referring to Dennis and Michelle. Emil told Gus that he has two business colleagues who are coming to see him in Miami. Emil makes it seem to Gus like they're investors. He's probably embarrassed to tell his brother the truth.
And Emil figures his straight-laced brother won't get sucked into Dennis and Michelle's so-called business opportunities because he's got a lot more to lose. Here's Emil. My brother is, he's a lot more scared and cautious. I mean, he has a wife and a kid at that point. I have neither, so. Emil is a bit of a health nut, an early-to-bed, early-to-rise kind of guy. So he asks Gus for a favor.
My brother loves going out at night. He goes out to nightclubs and drinks and stuff like that, which I don't. So I basically hand them off to him and I'm like, have a lot of fun with them and don't, you know, don't do anything stupid. Here's how Gus remembers it. So take them out. They'll spend money on you. You just take them out. I'm like, okay, I don't care. I'll be a good host. No problem. Like they can take me out in Miami. One evening in June 2015, Emil picks up Gus and they go to the Fountain Blue, a five-star hotel right on South Beach in Miami.
to meet Dennis and Michelle for drinks. Here's Gus remembering this initial meeting. We meet them for drinks and as soon as you get to the bar, they were so much fun. Like they were so much fun. Dennis is like, "Hey brother Emil, hey how are you brother?" and stuff like that, you know. They'd hug and stuff and then Michelle
They have a few drinks at the hotel, and then Gus recommends another bar they can go to. Dennis and Michelle get in their car and drive separately.
As they're talking privately during the drive, Denis asks Michel if he thinks Gus "knows" anyone. And by that he means, does Gus know anyone who will launder money? — Do you think his brother knows anybody? — I don't know. He said, "I'm gonna ask his brother about the Turkish." He told me his wife is Turkish. She knows a lot of Turkish people. — Okay, let's push that angle tonight. — Okay. So Gus's wife, with whom he just had a baby, is Turkish.
But Dennis and Michelle have no reason to suspect that the Turkish people that Gus's wife happens to know in Miami would participate in financial crimes. It's all just a fishing expedition. And at the next bar they go to, the leads don't get any better for Dennis and Michelle. Dennis and Michelle ask about Russians, because there are a lot of Russians in South Florida and all. And Gus mentions that he knows a Ukrainian guy. He can introduce them. It's a whole lot of nothing. The gang of four then decides to go to a strip club.
Gus has one he recommends. And so Dennis and Michelle pile into their car again. As they're driving to the strip club, Chuck Rowe, the FBI agent managing the case, calls Michelle's cell phone. Hey, buddy. Yeah, go ahead. I mean, I'm on a speaker with Dennis. Yeah, I mean, everything went fine. Okay.
You can't hear Chuck from this point. But from what Michel says, Chuck appears to point out the obvious: that Michel has a recording device on, and Chuck doesn't want what he says recorded. Hey, Chuck? Okay, here's the deal with this. We're just
He's getting the trust of... This is just... He suggested that place because he said there's Lebanese and Russians that... He said more like mob guys that would go there. And so it was just a dead night. That's why. Okay, but...
He told Michelle he's gonna have two people lined up tomorrow. One is Ukrainian but has ties to the Russian. And the other one is Turkish. So he's hungry. He knows we're the real deal. His brother talked to him about it.
So we're going to have two meets tomorrow. We're trying to do it during the day, so we're not busy at night. But we'll see. But he's taking us, they're taking us to a club that Emil had known. He's going to see if the manager is still there that he used to know. It's a strip club. I think this is just... Okay, to be clear, this is all bullshit.
Dennis is making this all up on the fly. He and Michelle appear to be drumming up excuses to go to the strip club. The whole Russian thing here, it's preposterous. Emil and Gus aren't going to introduce them to Russians. They don't appear to know any Russians. And they won't find any at the strip club either. But Dennis and Michelle aren't about to let Emil and Gus get away. More after the break. You're listening to Camellia from Campside Media. You're listening to Camellia from Campside Media. Nothing...
At all comes of this trip to Miami. No one launders money for Dennis during this trip, not even Emil. Dennis and Michelle leave empty-handed and fly back to Las Vegas with no new leads. But Dennis and Michelle keep contacting Gus. It was like a salesman that keeps calling and you give them the cold shoulder and they're supposed to understand. And the reason why I gave them the cold shoulder as opposed to saying, look, don't call me. I'm not interested in any business opportunities was because they were Emil's friends.
Dennis and Michelle return to Miami two months later, in late August. Emil agrees to launder $60,000 for them. Gus doesn't know about this second visit. But when Emil arrives at Dennis and Michelle's hotel, he doesn't have his money counter. So he calls Gus and asks for a favor. Can he drop off a money counter? He had said hotel, and I'm like, who are you with? Oh, are you in a hotel? It was early in the day. Like, what is Emil doing in a hotel? He's like, I'm with Dennis and Michelle. And I'm...
I started thinking, I'm like, man, fuck this. I don't, I've been, you know, I've been avoiding these guys. It's going to be a little bit awkward. You know, there's no reason. I just don't, you know, I'll tell Emil to come down and just take this money counter machine and go back and go do whatever he's doing. So Gus delivers the money counter to Emil. He says he didn't know Emil's business with Dennis and Michelle was illegitimate. He says he didn't know the counting machine was for laundering money. Dennis and Michelle stay in Miami after the $60,000 transaction with Emil. And the whole time they pressure Gus.
in phone calls and through a meal, to come out with him. They get a table at a nightclub at the Fountain Blue Hotel, that nice hotel on South Beach, and plead with Gus to meet them there, show them the town again. Gus acquiesces, and he meets them for drinks at a Miami steakhouse called Porter House. We were drinking. Dennis told me, hey, listen, do you know how much your brother made yesterday? He made a commission of 8%. I'm like, okay, okay.
He made like 7,000 bucks last night or yesterday. And he told me, he's like, look, I have some money left. Would you like to do a $10,000 business deal? And I say, like, what do I do? What do you mean? Dennis explains his system, the one you know well at this point.
He gives cash and in return, he gets checks minus points made out to front companies. He was telling me, look, we can do a business deal together. So I had just said, okay, well, I have 10,000. Maybe we can do something together. And then the next day, I think about it some more. I'm like, so let's see what he told me exactly. So I'm thinking, well, that means I have to give these guys a check and they're going to give me cash.
I'm like, nah, this sounds very off. This doesn't sound right.
So it felt very strange. And I don't think this is legal. You know, like I don't get how they're doing it. I don't think I can do this. I can't do this. So I went on that day and he told me again, look, the business check or personal check. I'm like, look, sorry, I can't do this. I'm not doing this. I don't have the money. I got hit with fraud. So I came up with an excuse and I said, I got hit with fraud. So my money's stuck. I can't. It's frozen. My money's frozen.
And he's like, what? And I'm like, yeah, it's frozen. Yeah, my money's frozen. I can't, I don't know. I can't do this. And then he's like, okay, well, man, you could have made some money. Like, yeah, I know. Sorry. Months pass. Again, Dennis and Michelle continue to call and text Emil and Gus offering, you know, business opportunities. Emil and Gus are blowing them off.
They're just sick of this whole thing. Sick of these two guys. They would call, especially Michelle would call, "Hey brother, blah blah blah, we still want to meet you one time, blah blah blah." And I'm like, "No, I'm not interested, I'm not interested, there's nothing left to do." This is Emil. And Dennis would, you know, "Let's just meet, just don't worry about anything, let's just have Gus do all the work, let's start a new business." I'm like, "No, no, my business is doing fine," and so on and so forth. It would be that type of context, that type of narrative.
They keep contacting me and say, "Hey, listen, let's meet up. Call me, call me. I have a great idea for you. I have a great business for you." And I don't answer. And this is Gus. There was one point where Dennis kept calling me. And he would call and call and I picked up. I'm like, "Yeah, what's up?" He's like, "Tell your brother to call me now." I'm like, "Whoa." Gus tells Emil about the call from Dennis. This is February.
six months after Dennis and Michelle had last visited them in Miami. Emil calls Dennis, and Dennis says he wants Emil and Gus to come see him in Las Vegas. But Emil gets an additional message from the call. There's always this type of whisper of threat. You see what I'm saying? It's not anything direct, we're going to kill you, but it's always, you know what we can do. I could show you pictures of what we've done before to people. Like you would face physical harm? Yes, absolutely, yes. Emil's scared.
And he needs Gus to come to Las Vegas to appease Dennis. So Emil goes to the gym, where Gus is working out, and waits for him to come outside. It's not Emil's style at all. Emil doesn't wait outside for anyone at the gym, or doesn't, you know, even for me. And he tells me like, "Look, dude, these guys really want you to come to Las Vegas. Like, they want me and you to come to Las Vegas. They really want us to talk." I'm like, "Yeah, but dude, I told you, like, I don't need to go. I don't want to go."
And he's like, "Look man, they're putting a lot of pressure on me. Please, let's just go together and stuff." And I look at him, and I look at his face, and that was the first time ever that I ever saw Emile Bouhari look like sort of scared. Like it was said on his face that he's not telling me directly, "Dude, like, I don't want to go alone. I don't feel comfortable. Could you please come with me, brother?"
He didn't say those words, but the way he looked at me, the way he looked at me, then I said, okay, fine, let's go. Because now I was curious. Like, fuck it. Okay, fuck it, dude. Let's go. So they get on the plane. And when they get there, Dennis and Chuck will have a big surprise for them as they walk to the baggage claim area at the Las Vegas airport. This is High Rollers. In the next episode, Gus and Emil discover that Dennis and Michelle weren't businessmen.
They were FBI guys. I was like, I think it's the FBI. Like, oh my God, man, it's the feds. Gus is furious with Emil. Well, probably he was blaming me, yeah, because he didn't know everything. I kept him out of a lot. I didn't tell him who they were. I said they were investors, business investors, and so on. And Gus discovers that Emil's beef with a local Las Vegas attorney got so out of hand that he was recorded talking about
hiring a hitman. "I do need someone to come and beat him up one day." "Teach him a lesson." "Yes, teach him a lesson." "Maybe put him in a wheelchair for a little time." "No, no, no." "I will at some point need that." "Oh, yeah." "Chameleon" season two comes from Campsite Media. It's hosted by me, Trevor Aronson. Our executive producers are Vanessa Grigoriadis and Adam Hoff. Alex Yablon fact-checked the series. Margo Williams also contributed to research.
Mark McAdam composed the theme song. Doug Slaywin and Sam Leeds provided production support. The executive producers at Campside Media are Josh Dean, Vanessa Grigoriadis, Adam Hoff, and Matt Scher. If you enjoyed High Rollers, please rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts. It really does help other listeners like you find the show. And make sure to subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Take me in Sin City
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