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Hello and welcome back to another episode of Cancelled. Hunter is gone and today we are feeling shameless. I like what you did there. We have a great friend of mine and someone who, you're a great person. I fucking love you. I've wanted you on this podcast for a minute. Everyone's obsessed with you and every single time we hang out, I get death threats. Ethan Kutkowski is here. Hello, Ethan. Did I say it right? Oh, you did. Everybody always pronounce it Kutkowski. Right.

I feel like with a last name like Mojo, I really look at people's last names and try because I hate- Everybody fucks up my last name. That's all that happens. Like any interview I've done, the Kakaoski, the Katoski. I actually said it right. Yeah, you said it right. Well, Ethan is our bestie and we decided we'd have him on the podcast and get to know him a little more because to be quite frank, all we really do is party with Ethan. So, you know what I mean? Yeah. We only get to know each other so much. Yeah, Brooke is here too. I forgot.

Brooke hates me. I'm so bad at that. So today we just wanted to have a little conversation with Ethan and, you know, talk about life. Obviously, I was just saying that, you know, we all go out a lot and we do a lot of stuff together, but I don't know a lot about Shameless and like, you know, how you grew up and everything that's, you know, comes with your life. The other day we were like in the car on the way to Starbucks. He was like, I have this huge meeting with like Actors Guild. And like, can I say the person? Which person was it? Harry. Harry.

Oh, yeah, because it's called the Creative Coalition. And basically, it's like a bunch of actors and directors and producers kind of like all supporting the arts. Harry Hamlin being one of the people that are involved because he was on Shameless with us. Oh, yeah. He played Cameron Monaghan's

on the show back a few seasons ago. Okay, okay. So yeah, but we were in the car on the way to Starbucks and he just started saying this to me. He was like, I have a meeting with the Creative Coalition. I like turned and I was like, damn, I really want you on the podcast because it's like, I know you in the ways that I know you, you know, but like, I don't know a lot about your life and your day to day and I felt like it'd be a very interesting thing for people to kind of

of learn more about, you know? Right. And you don't do a lot of podcasts, Ethan. This morning I was kind of like looking to see like, you know, other things that you've done. So I was excited that you were coming on here because I feel like the last thing you did was a No Jumper with Diablo and Lil Xan, which is just the craziest trio in my opinion. It's funny because people always...

kind of come for you and I about our friendship. You know what I mean? They're like, why the fuck are you friends with her? Like, okay, so he's like really like Carl in real life. Like he's crazy if he's friends with her. Like blah, blah. And I'm like, his best friend is Lil Xan and Diablo. Like I was not. Like it's not so out of character for him to be hanging out with Tana Mongeau. If anything, it's very in character if Lil Xan's your best friend. You know what I mean? I met them. That was when I was 18. I just moved out here.

So terrible. I moved out here when I just turned 18. I was like, last time I lived at home, I was 17. Yeah. Like I missed that honestly. How old are you now? 22. Right. No, definitely. Moving to LA is because you're from Chicago, right? Yeah. And I didn't even think I was ever going to move out here. Ever? No. Like I was, I started shameless when I was nine years old and then we finished up this year in March. So nine to 21, 11. Oh my God.

11 fucking... I mean, today I was really thinking about that. I'm on season one right now. We started it on the way to Dallas. I was like, you know what? Let's watch... Like, I was trying to research. Yeah. And I'm like, it's weird because you're literally nine. No, yeah. Like, I was... Filmed the pilot fourth grade. Filmed first season fifth grade. It was...

But what I think is the most impressive is that you still managed to go all the way through school and graduate high school. Like regular school? And you went to public school while doing Shameless. I would spend five, six months filming Shameless then go home. I had my public school send me work and you have studio teachers on set and Emma Kenny who played my co-star Debbie Gallagher, not my

brother, my sister. And fucking yeah, her and I were kind of both in the same realm that she would go back home to New Jersey, go to public school. She was a year ahead of me. And my parents just made sure that I stayed in school because they're like they didn't want it. They didn't mean for any of this to happen. I feel like that's like a unique situation, though, because it's like shameless isn't a show that anybody in like elementary, middle school is watching. So it's not like it's like you're on Hannah Montana and you're going to regular school.

- Like if anything, adults are right. But I guess that's kind of good. 'Cause I feel like if you were on like a Disney show and going to regular school, people would be way more crazy and like bullies and stuff. - By the time high school, it was like, I mean, I was already getting bullied from it from like very early on because- - Bullied? I'd be like, check this out. - Oh yeah. Oh no, it was, I remember like, I was like, it was freshman year, I was in math class. And I remember I had a teacher say, I was talking to like a student, like, you know, your fucking kids talk too, you gotta be in class.

and I'm talking and he all of a sudden just says in front of the classroom, Ethan, this isn't Beverly Hills anymore. You need to stay quiet. I wanted to run out of the classroom crying. Dude, that's so mean, especially if I'm an adult because it's just like you're still a kid, you're still in school, you're still normal and for people like that, that's

so fucking mean. Whoever you are, fuck you, suck a dick, die, like go. Like that's so rude. That's ridiculous. I mean, I'm not going to lie. Like I obviously tried a little bit of school when I started being an influencer, but people constantly talking about it and you're famous now. And like, I just, when I went back to school, I was so embarrassed to ever talk about it.

about. Yeah. I never want, I would like tell people, no, that's not me. Like when I was younger, I remember people come up to me and even my mom be like, no, just say it's not you. Cause like, that's not the attention that we're looking for. That's not how I was brought up. And you know, my mom's, especially I teach my dad's an engineer. So the way I was on his Wikipedia this morning and know that like did my research. You said your parents like didn't mean for that to happen. How did it happen? Like,

So it was a way for my mom and I to spend time together. I'm the only child. I was super hyperactive. And my mom was like, I don't know what the hell to do with this kid. Like all like the extracurricular classes. Somebody said, bring him to an open photo shoot. I was like on schoolastic books as a child.

Like I'm like in Spanish books, like sitting in front of a globe like this. I'm like, I literally have people DM me pictures of this. Like, is this you? Damn, that's actually wild. And so that's kind of like how it started. And then I started auditioning. I did Fred Claus, the movie when I was seven. Yeah. I got cut from it. Rude. And there was a scene with Vince Vaughn. I remember. I love Vince. That's like my biggest celebrity crush. She says that about every single fucking...

Vince Vaughn, they're all in the same realm. Like Vince Vaughn, Adam Sandler, like that vibe. 100%. Like dad bod, like super talented actor. That was first grade. So it was just kind of like, oh, my parents are like, oh, it's in Chicago. We filmed a movie that also filmed in Chicago. It's called The Unborn. It was a horror movie. Yeah. I literally played a demon in it.

I had like all this crazy makeup on. And so then my parents are just like, all right, it's cool. Like you can go back and forth to school. But that's so much better than having a stage parent. Cause I feel like a lot of the kids who are like really fucked up, like not normal people in Hollywood are the ones with the fucking parents who were like, deliberately like I want my kid to be a star.

Yeah. I mean, even as you like look at it, like I remember like I've had this like realization. I was like, we've been going out more and more. And I'm like, damn, like this is like I've spent 11 years surrounded by adults specifically. Yeah. And so it's like then you're like, this is like now like my age group and trying to like figure out like common ground. Yeah. Diablo and I always say Ethan's like a little puppy, like you're the nicest person. Like it's so funny whenever like clout chasing bitches are like following Ethan around. Not like me, like I'm like a good clout chasing bitch. But I mean like an actual like just demon, like not good.

like Diablo and I have to protect you because we're like I know because I have such like a bad like radar for that because I'll always talk to anybody I'm like you know even I remember when I was going out in Chicago when I was younger and like going out like when I first started going out there and I was like oh I just want to meet people and like talk to everybody Tana has the same problem too though where she's almost like

blind to it. I run into it a lot with her where people are so clearly trying to talk to her because of her followers, whatever, and she just doesn't know. And I'm literally like, what are you doing? Because it's like they suck your ass and then they're rude to everyone else. Yeah, and that's the thing. It's like they'll be evil to everyone around her but so nice to her. And I'm like, okay, this is not a good person. And I found it so hard to like...

say anything so I just kind of like that's why I just get quiet or like walk away yeah no but you're good at it now we were just at dinner at Katana and it was so funny to me because I feel like my demographic is very much like girls crazy girls you know but your demographic is I mean you're just fucking more famous than me let me like you know it's very respectable no but it's everyone like we're sitting there and every single waiter is like I love your work in Chambers I love this and you handle

it well. Like you still get fucked up. You're still doing your thing, but you're like, you know, like you can deal with it well. And it's weird because like you see it like the audience that Shameless has captured is like I've met a 12 year old girl with her mother saying like, oh, this is my favorite show. And then you see this like super old conservative parents that go in like that was our family. I remember I was in Chicago one time and I think it was some people on the street. They were from Pakistan. They didn't even speak any English. Yeah. And they stopped me and they could only like say Carl Gallagher. Oh,

And I'm just like, this is like fucking crazy. Like you just see the demographic all over the world. I know. I was literally going to like ask you about that. Like just worldwide fame like that. And it being like the entire demographic. Do you ever feel like being a child star at such a young age? And you know what I mean? From nine up? I mean, you auditioned when you were how old? I auditioned for Shameless probably fourth grade, 2010.

Like, from fourth grade to now, do you feel like it affected you in any way or do you feel like you handled it in a well way? I guess, like, when I was in high school, I didn't even look at it like that. When people would be like, oh, you're this, I'd go, no, I don't really feel like that. That doesn't, like, really account for, like, what Ethan is. Like, that's not, like, what Ethan's about. Was that ever...

I think it's very crazy. I was just watching this Miley Cyrus interview, right, where Miley, she, I forget who it was. I want to say it was Kevin Hart, but I don't remember. But she broke down to someone, like, not the trauma, but the way it affected her mentally to be Hannah and to be herself. And it was like she puts on the wig and she's Hannah and everyone freaks out or, like, she's out in public as Miley, but everyone expects her to be Hannah. Did you ever deal with the fact that so many people, they kind of expect you to be Carl? Like, you know what I mean? Like, did that ever affect?

- It wasn't necessarily like they expect that, but I think when I noticed like the energy, like when you're young and you're like, oh my gosh, like this many eyes on you and you're like, you're still like, I mean, 16 year olds, like get like to the point, like most 16 year olds drink, most 16 year olds smoke pot. Like this is like, that's the time like you first tried that. And you shouldn't be shunned

Or, you know, yes, there is like a way like, oh, you shouldn't be 16 out blacked out at a club. Yeah. Like that's probably, you know, but there are kids who do that. And that's where it's like it's a fine balance. Like, you know, for people that have 10 times more eyes on them, I felt like I was able to navigate my realm and still do my hoodlum stuff with my friends. And but and not let it like, you know, have it get back to me that hard. The one thing I did happen to me is I got arrested when I was 18.

I didn't think you were going to bring it up. She had it in the list and I go, we got to cut that.

that that's awful we can't ask him about that because it was such bullshit you didn't do anything wrong no such bullshit would happen because I mean I was so embarrassed when I was 18 and now that I look back on it I'm like this is like you know they sold an article off actually so if you look back like what actually happened I got pulled over my friend was smoking a joint in the back I haven't smoked over three hours smoking every day you know you're not high at that point I'm like this looks really bad officer let me get out the car comply with you I'm trying to talk to him about Game of Thrones he's like yeah put your hands on your back and I'm like oh no what I'm like I just moved

I'm like, I'm like, call my mom. Like, what's going on? Yeah. And then I remember. So the reason they sold it to the reason why it got public is because every person's arrest record, you can look it up. But it's just like Ethan Kikoski, what the number was for. They technically tried to charge me the DUI for it. Which is fucked too because it makes so many people think you were drinking. Oh, yeah. No. And it's like your friend smoking a joint in the car.

And so then that's all that it said online. And then all of a sudden TMZ, Washington Post, they had this article of Ethan getting out of the car, slurred, talking shit, acting all up. And I'm like, I'm literally standing there shaking, like going, like trying to have a normal conversation because I'm dead sober. Yeah. And just freaking out. And I remember like my grandparents in Nebraska were like, yo, we like saw this article of you, like their neighbors are. I'm like, it just like astounded me. And like, it was, it was embarrassing at the time.

I was like 18. Like it was like very like, damn, like this isn't how I want to be looked at. 100%. Now I look back on it and go, that was like such BS because that was not what I did. Did you ever like defend yourself or just let it die down? No, I just let it die down.

down like there's no point because they just didn't really like matter at that point i'm like you know whatever i'll go through the bullshit of it do you feel like the media has done a lot of stuff like that too where they either try to paint you like your character paint you in the wrong light or was that kind of like i really kind of stayed out of it and like that's the thing from like a young age like this is like you know first time like we've been hanging out we've been going out like you know i'm more on social media like i didn't even post on social media before i was 18 no i remember the first time i asked you to make a tiktok and you were down i was like are you sure

But it's like fun because I didn't have like a reason. I felt like I didn't have a reason to be on social media before I was 18 because I wanted to do clothing before. Yeah, that's how I discovered you was someone tagged your brand. I sent you some stuff like two and a half years ago. Probably never posted it. No, you did. I think Avari did.

look at that. But that's the thing. It's like, you know, it was just like fun to send stuff out. Like, you know, that's, it wasn't like really like about that. The clothing brand was cool to me because I felt like it was you finally like creatively branching out in the ways that you wanted to. And that's like where I wanted, like I started clothing and then went to music and want, cause I've always wanted to do that since a very young

Yeah. Did Shameless ever put you in contracts where you couldn't do stuff like that? So it was kind of like not like any stuff with like that. I think, you know, there's like times like say if like I got an offer for something that was filming during Shameless, it would be impossible to do. Yeah. Right. You know, luck, you know, it was very luck of the draw. Emma Kenny, she works. She was working on the Connors while Shameless was filming.

So she was able to go back and forth between sets because it filmed right in LA at ABC Bradford. So that was really nice. But there was no way you could go to like New York and film something else. But obviously it's a good thing because you becoming like Carl in a way was like such an iconic thing for your career. It's funny though, because I feel like today, especially when I was researching your character, they were telling me that they had you like

I super finished that, sorry. They had you when you were like 10 years old, like getting a bag of cocaine, shooting an eagle, like, and then the family ate it for dinner, I guess, in the show for Shameless. And I was like, that's so not like Ethan, so it's funny. And then one of your friends actually fetted you out before this. Maybe I'll cut this, but they said that it's one of the biggest pop stars in the world. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about now. Slid in your DMs. Like...

I don't know if I want to say it. You might have to vet this one out. Yeah, well, I'll just bleep it, right? Yeah. Okay, like, slid in your DMs. Oh, yeah. That was, like, years ago. We were just getting friends. Like, that was, like, super, like, I didn't even, like, realize. You're so cute. I didn't even realize, like, that she was, like, I didn't realize.

at that point and I was like oh my gosh like this is like super fucking crazy like you know being like this like small town kid and like stuff like that I'm like it's still like to me this day I'm like it's so weird yeah it's like benign like not like how I grew up from a 30,000 person town do you ever feel like people expect you on a date to kind of be like Carl and then you're there and you're actually just like sweet and normal and it's like honestly most of the time I've ever been with like a girl and they get to know me they go this is not how I expected you

to be. Yeah, it's shocking. They're like, that's like why I live so far out. Like, cause it's like, you know, like I didn't, I didn't come to LA to like be on that vibe. I know. It's funny now though, cause you're starting to get into the LA vibe, but Ethan lives like 45 minutes away. So he'll be like, yo, I'll be at your house in 55 minutes. I'll be out there in an hour. Like you're so timely. Yeah, I'm not really that timely, but it's just funny cause everyone like lives down the street, but you're still kind of like distanced from it. Buenos dias world from the San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance. I'm Marco Wendt. And I'm Rick Schwartz.

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You and Diablo have the best friendship. It's actually adorable. I feel like he looks out for you. Yeah, it's been really nice to have him out here because, you know, as we're going out, he also understands the train. It's like we can both go out and vibe off each other. 100%. And he'll make sure you're good. It's funny, the other night we were at this TikTok party and it was just so funny seeing all the TikTok girls. I was like, oh my God, Ethan's

here? I was like, he's gonna run away and freak out. He does not like this. I don't even know. There, it was kind of more comfortable because we knew everybody there. And also having the adults there. I love adults. So I'll vibe off of them. Dude, I have to say the funniest fucking thing the other night was...

Ethan spent the majority of his night with Mark D'Amelio. I love that. Honestly, Mark is a killer. I was like, because I love Dozo. I'm just like, yeah. Like, how are you? No, and he loved you. Like, it was a vibe. It was funny. We actually always have so much fun with Mark D'Amelio. We do. I feel like you and I just have fun with other people's parents. Because I feel like, I'm like, oh my God, a parent? Like, this is crazy. Literally, literally, literally. I'm like, oh my God, people have parents that are this dope. Like, cool, nice parents who, like, engage with people. No, but Charlie and Dixie have the best fucking parents.

Literally so fun. We had the best time with them at like little Huttie's like launch or whatever. No, I know. They're just so interesting, but I get that. I've always been like that. I like my friends. I always love their parents. It's like so. Yeah, they are the best. And I feel like they like resonate with child star as well. So you were just. Yeah, that's what we're like all talking about. My time. Like this is like what happened. I was growing up fully. Yeah. And they were fun, though. They're definitely like the most fun. It's great. But I mean, as much as you are so innocent, my favorite thing about you that I think is

is, like, a dichotomy to your innocence is that you do love, like, toxicity. Yeah. Like, yeah. Tee hee. Like, you've been...

I don't know how I want to talk about this because I don't want to get us in a scandal. Got to tread lightly on this one. Super tread lightly on this one. I'm trying to think about it. But I mean, like, you're... I think that's almost one of the things that we have in common. Most of the relationships I've had have been, like, very, like, high-octane fuel. Yeah, 100%. Since a very young age. That's, like, our only bonding point. Like, we're definitely very not alike, but then we're like, but we love the toxic shit. And I'm like, I don't want a relationship. Then I, like, you know, you find somebody, like, oh, this could be fun. Then all of a sudden you're like, wait, this is, like, too much.

This is like a lot. And then you're like, oh, wait, I'm like 22. Like this is...

I'm just, I'm thinking. He said trend lightly. I am, I am, I am. We have the most insane conversations. So having you on the podcast is funny because I have to like keep it a little PC. Here's a good, here's a good light question. What would you say, and the fans want to know, baby. I asked the fans for questions for you. We'll get into more of those. But I think the one they want to know the most is what is your current relationship status? Right now, I think as of today, I think we're now. As of today? You're toxic, mom.

I know. You are toxic. Not dating anybody anymore. It was like not like an exclusive dating, but you know, now we're just like realize like at this age, it's a little much. You don't want to like fuck yourselves up because I feel like that's like, that's like, like honestly, when I get in a relationship, I'm like very serious about

Because you're either going to get married or break up. I mean, I just like when you have serious like emotions, somebody like I would go to therapy with somebody like that shit, like it to talk it out because you're fucking 22. You're both crazy as hell. Like you hear that like at the end of the day, like don't like don't fool yourself. You're not that mature at this age. We're all like children technically. That's very self-aware. Like, you know, so it's like it's healthy to be able to have somebody there and like talk this stuff out. If you want to take a relationship that seriously. Yeah, you were just at Shabbat, though. Full family moment. Oh, all doubts.

She was almost going to be nice about it. And then she just decided not to. But it was lovely. I mean, like, I love stuff like that. He's as we are. He's like, oh, I love you. I mean, to be honest, like, that stuff, like, that's like, you know, what I like. It reminds me of, like, kind of growing up. Like, oh, this is like being, like, normal with your family and friends. Like, this is as opposed to, like, us going out. My family was shameless family.

That is crazy too that you're like, again, such a dichotomy from Carl because you're like a family person. But like literally. I also like having our fun like, you know, DM time. Yeah, 100% DM time. Because we'll go out, have our fun. But it's nice to like, you need to have that grounding in this industry too.

You really need to know your ground and your roots. That's the most important thing. But everyone lives inside of that. So I think it's very rare. I think that is what I look for in friends as much as people are like, oh my God, Tana's so crazy and toxic. I genuinely enjoy- But that's also like, you know, what-

a grounded person. You know, but it's also like you have to play into like things that like make your brand work well too. Like that's also kind of like the fun part about this is because like every, I mean, even the people that DM me stuff thinking a certain way, it's just like, it's fun to like try to like lead people in different directions. Yeah. Oh, I love that. And trying to mess with it. Like that's, it's fun.

- Sometimes you have to play into what people think about you, 'cause people are always gonna think the craziest stuff, and when you're in this like fame realm, it's like, well if you think that shit about me, I might as well like be that for sure. - Like play with it kind of. - Yeah. I mean when it comes to now, like after Shameless, do you like,

I feel like building another brand or acting as another character is going to be very interesting for people to see. Do you care to continue to act? Oh, I love acting. So I just I've got to work on two different things since Shameless ended. Yeah. Law and Order being the first one. So that was an episode I did back when I was 14, 13. It's the only thing that I did actually while filming on Shameless because I denied I denied projects.

I was like, I want to go to school. I want to be a kid. This is what my life is. But Law & Order, I played the psychopath on there. It's so funny because everything you play is just our real lives. Oh yeah, it's just straight psychopath. We're living it, baby. We grew up on Shameless and I think we are Law & Order now. And then he's just like, we're just a new

But they brought this character back this year that he got out of like a mental hospital at 18 and then just goes on a killing spree. It's out right now. And I had so much fun working on it. And then I got to the honor of working on this movie called Going Places. It's the first lead film I've ever done. So where, you know, you're on every single page. You're working 14 hours a day. It's a very vetted script. It's a coming of age dark action comedy. Yeah.

- Oh my God. - And it's basically three friends go out to the desert, they're on their high school trip. - Literally my life, I'm gonna cry. - And then they run somebody over and find out she has a million dollars and they have to figure out what the fuck to do. Are they gonna ditch the body?

And then it starts kind of coming full circle. Also, you know, all these characters like my character, he doesn't know what his sexuality is. He doesn't know if he's gay, bi, straight, asexual. So there's like all this emotions going on in this one night. So you have comedy, but then you have all these emotions of, you know, being 18 years old. And figuring yourself out. And it was one of the most fun things I've got working on.

One thing that I really do like, though, is that I feel like one thing that differentiates Ethan a lot from people in L.A. is that, Brooke, obviously you can resonate with this, the majority of guys, especially actors in L.A., resonate so much with toxic masculinity. And they're not open to the LGBTQ community.

like they know nothing about pronouns or whatever and I've had like several conversations with you where you're like educating someone on their fucking pronouns or like you know like you're not afraid to say like I'm a fucking straight guy but I'm not like I don't need to be toxically masculine I've said that before on this podcast where it's like it's so attractive to or like just cool to see in a guy when you're like not when you don't really care about that it's like you're not like

gonna not hang out with someone because they're gay. Like things like that. And it sounds so like, duh. - It's rare. - Because true masculinity is like, you have to understand that there's a balance between femininity and masculinity. That you have to channel femininity at certain moments as your partner, whether it's a man or a woman, that they're gonna be, you're gonna both be back and forth and you have to handle certain situations like that. - Well, I was gonna say that this was a match made in heaven, but you guys were already a match made on Raya. - I know. - Why would you do that?

And then my Raya subscription got canceled. Oh, yeah, sure. He's like, yeah, and then I had to delete that. Then I had to delete it, but we'll re-download it. No, but it's funny. I hate you so much. Do you know that I literally texted her before today, and I go, I dare, do please. That's almost what I said to you. I said, hey, last time I saw you was on Raya today, right? No, but I think it's kind of iconic, because I feel like a lot of people. I'm like, are they going to kick us out?

No, but a lot of people wouldn't expect Ethan to be on Raya and you're kind of like a Raya whore. But that's the thing is I didn't realize this. I'm a huge Raya guy. The thing is, I was going out and I realized like, oh damn, it's kind of hard to meet people in LA. Like, I'm from Chicago where you go out to a bar and you just go up to somebody and start talking. LA's really not like that. People are just like, oh, hi. Clicky. They're like in their circles. So I was like, fuck it. Like, I'll get on a dating app. Like, I never thought I'd do this. Like, people were faking me on Tinder.

Yeah, of course. So it's like, all right, Raya. No, you can't. As much as it sounds like this is probably the most comfortable place to be. 100%. And so I remember I was on there. I was like, whoa, this is crazy. Like field day. Like this is, I'm just like. Oh, field day.

Like, I'm just like, this is crazy. Like, I remember when I first got it, I was obsessed. And it's like, it only gives you a certain amount of people at a time. So you're like, oh, my God. I'm so excited. Yeah, you get like 30 matches every few hours. But then I've been going out. And then, like, I remember Chris was telling me, he's like, yo, you, like, match with, like, everybody in L.A. Everyone. And I'm like, oh, gosh. I didn't mean to do that. This is my favorite match, though. I mean, like, I'm definitely, you know, there's some I'm sure you match with that are questionable. So, yeah.

Loving that for you. But I mean, it's funny because Raya is kind of like a, like, I don't want to call it like a game because maybe I sound like a sociopath saying that. But like just going through and like hurting people and shit. Like it's fun. It's fun. I remember, I'm banned from Raya because I used it when I was underage. Sorry, Raya. Wait, really? Yeah. Has Raya been around that long? Yeah, I was 17 and I was using Raya and then I had it for like years and then they, one day they just sent me a thing like get the fuck

- Well now we're both gonna be banned 'cause you're not supposed to talk about it. - Oh really? - Yeah. - Are we actually gonna? Raya, don't ban us. - Please don't ban us. - Please don't ban us. - That's my only hope. - We didn't mean it. We're just trying to talk about it like in a real life way what it means. Don't ban us.

This is my only social life. No, it happens all the time. Like, there was a girl who made a TikTok about, like, matching with a guy from Friends. Oh, you should have told me that before. I wouldn't have said it. No, we can always cut it. But a girl made a TikTok about matching with Chandler and she got, like, fully banned from Ryan. But we didn't talk about anybody that we're matching with. Well, that's true. Yeah, you're right. We're just saying we're matching with you and I. Like, and I'm just like, I've realized people. I'm like, don't ban us. Both of us give consent to talk about it. Yeah, we're good. Fully. But that was crazy because she fully exposed the guy from Friends and then they have the Friends reunion right after.

That's the whole point of like being on right like I so I found um my castmate on there And I remember I just sent her some like fucked up shit on DMS I try to screenshot it I didn't realize you can't screenshot shit like oh my god You take three screenshots of right you fully get banned, but that's cool because there's fucking like you know so many people there Yeah, you deal with that a lot girls ever do you ever like fuck with a girl? And then she's trying to expose you yeah

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Wait, what's your astrological sign? I'm a Leo. Oh my gosh. I'm like, that's new. What's yours? I don't know. You don't know? When's your birthday? Sagittarius. No, I'm Sagittarius. Oh, okay, you're Sagittarius. When's your birthday? I'm a Cancer. You're a Cancer? Yeah. But I'm on the cusp of a Gemini. I always say that my sister's a Cancer and she terrifies me, but I love her and I love you. And you also terrify me. So, I mean, you know, Cancers are a lot. Like, I'm very emotional for sure. Yeah, no, Cancers are great. I was like, they're, I mean, honestly, I have no problems with all the signs.

I mean, I've been realizing what's the one that's like toxic? Is it a Scorpio? Gemini. There's a mosquito on your face. I just killed it. Oh my God. Yeah. Shameless. Yes. Psycho icon. Let's see. I have a lot of questions for you and a lot are from fans. Go to the section that says fun questions. Yeah. I want to hear these fun questions.

- Okay, well a lot of these are. - I read this beforehand, the fun questions, it goes DUI question mark? I go, how is that a fun question? - I like how that's, I mean we cleared it, that's the first time I've ever talked about it. Like, because this is the right setting to talk about it in. Like I'm not gonna be like on with like, you know. - We are canceled.

I mean like but it's like it's there's also like a real life like way to look at it being like yeah That's like kind of what happened and it's one thing to like drink and drive and then have to you know try to I mean Obviously, I don't there's a lot of things you just should never do, you know 100% But obviously people like Khloe Kardashian had a fucking DUI and like she grew from that. Yeah, you should like like that was what the you know, drink and drive

That's just like the dumb machine. But for you to clear, you're like, I like, I'm happy that you're able to talk about it now. Cause it's like, you were literally, you smoked a joint four hours before you were in a car and they were definitely like, it was definitely like a media blitz trying to just come for you. So to like clear that is like good. Um, who's your number one celebrity crush?

I never really had celebrity crushes. Cop out. Was that? I'm like, that's a cop out. You better tell us right now. I'm trying to think. Like, people, like, are you talking my age? Like, right now, like, who I thought was beautiful was Lily Collins. Oh.

So beautiful. Lily Collins is gorgeous. So beautiful. And such a great actress too. Seriously. Like I was, I remember I watched all of Emily in Paris for some reason. I was just like, I binged it and I just got like insane with it for some reason. Yeah. But then I watched the Jeff, or what is it? The movie with Zac Efron that she was in about, it wasn't Jeffrey Donnell. No, no, no. It was about Ted Bundy. That's one of my favorite movies of all time. And then by just seeing her

her range in that and just going like oh I could watch like Emily in Paris and it's like this very like light hearted show and then seeing how serious she can play as Ted Bundy's wife she's so great that's my favorite movie ever what was the movie she did about anorexia she did like a and she was like fully CGI'd in the film like she was like they made her like stick stick thin I have no idea but I'd love to watch it and it was great like seeing her in that I was like oh my god she's so talented

Yeah, her range is absolutely crazy. So you like dating other actresses, though? Because a lot of actors are very... I've never dated an actress. Really? No. Who was the craziest person that ever got at you where you were like, whoa, this person's sliding in my DMs, this person's getting at me? I mean, I think I told you that seeing like...

Like that wasn't like her sliding at me. Yeah. It's just like, oh, like I just recognize, oh, I fuck with you. Like she just said, oh, I fuck with your work. And I think like you're those like years. I'm like, oh my gosh, like that's so crazy. It's almost better. Like someone like respects. Oh yeah. No, it was just like, yo, I fuck with your work. I think it was like, yo, you're, you're inspiring me. Like what you do is very lighthearted, like super cool. But you're no stranger to like doing this kind of evil. You're no stranger to a celebrity though. We dated the same girl. What?

You're taking words out of context. I never dated that person. I never dated. You never dated her? No, we didn't date. We just talked a little bit. You just, a little bit? Yeah, no. I mean, I'm known. Now I'm going to get canceled for attacking you. I know. I'm sorry. I had a good friendship with her. That's the thing. It's like, I never wanted, I never had a bad experience. Are you still on good terms with her? I haven't spoken to her like in a while, so I would hope we are. That's good. I mean, like, I don't have anything ever to bad say about her.

That's a really good thing. Like I've known her since very young, so nothing bad to say. I love her. I'm her biggest fan. That was like our first bonding point though is that we were blood brothers. Yeah, blood brothers. Yeah.

Okay, so I feel like something that, especially in the beginning of fame, this came a lot with me. You know what I mean? Especially when you kind of, not blow up overnight, but you know what I mean? Your fame becomes very prevalent. And you have, like we just talked about, a very big range of fans. But a lot of your fan base is also girls that are so in love with you. You know what I mean? You have a cult following. Which I love. I didn't realize it until literally when you first posted with him. I was like, oh my God. No, I've never been so attached. I just saw more girls coming in. I was like, whoa, what's going on?

I've never. This is crazy. I've never received death threats like hanging out with Ethan. It's funny. The death threats are all there. We the other day I posted a TikTok with you to the like you all right sound. And it was like me saying like when a lot of his fans come and try to kill me every time I hang out with him. And it's literally true. And someone finally the top comment was actually like people don't realize how traumatic this is. Like, Tanner, are you OK? And I was like, oh, my God, that is like that is like a kind of a crazy thing. Women in the industry, they get the worst in their comments. Like that's like it's.

Like, the shit that they'll talk about, like, whether they're looks or bites. I'm fine with all that, though. Just don't try to kill me for being Ethan's friend. It's fucked up because you see it, like, actually affect, like, young, like, people. Like, you have, like, you know, young actresses, singers, influencers on Instagram that are still dealing with, like, their image. Like, I mean, fucking, like, we're still dealing with our image at this age. And as a guy, you're right. Like, people, like, you know what I mean? Like, people are less attacky to you and you're more just like, but it sucks that you see that on social media for women a lot.

Yeah. It's just like, it's really shitty. That's a sweet thing to say. I honestly go off Ethan. Ethan's heart is really showing on this podcast. But I mean, he's so much better than us. He's so much better than us. Wholesome. He really is so much better than us. It's actually insane. I was surprised he showed up today. I was like, you can cancel, I swear. But have you ever had crazy fan encounters? Like what's the craziest thing a fan's ever tried to do to get at you? I've had people like break in my hotel rooms. I've had people like...

stalk me to the core just like you know what I mean I mean like it's kind of like there's just been like a convoluted stuff like it was just kind of like started becoming like you know interesting to see I remember when we were filming Shameless we would have people come outside the hotel and like wait and like they were all super dope but one day I'm there I'm like 16 and I get a text from the security downstairs and they're like breach has happened stay in your room and I'm like oh fuck is there like a shoe

- No, it literally scared me. And then they're like, nevermind. It's just a 14 year old girl and her mother looking for you. - I mean, it's sad, but it's cute. I just imagine like this happens a lot, like with like David Dobrik and like those people too. It's like, why are these parents allowing their kids to do that?

Like, what kind of parent is like, yes, actually, let's go to this guy's house? Or like they would come down to like the south side of Chicago, like where we're filming. And it's like, yo, like, this is not for place for you to be out in the middle of the night. Because it's not the kid's fault. Like if you're a young kid and you love them. And your mom's like, yeah, like, sure. That like...

Of course you'd go, but it's like as a parent, don't do that. Living next to Hype House, I really like got to, sorry to cut you off. But I was saying that like I always enjoy talking to like anybody that appreciates my work because I always said that there's no bone in me that I ever want to be rude to somebody because if I was, then I don't deserve to be doing what I'm doing. 100%. Buenos Aires World from the San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance. I'm Marco Wendt. And I'm Rick Schwartz.

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That's my biggest thing and people like we I cannot be great friends with you if you're like fucking rude to your fans. That's that's my favorite thing honest to God about you. We talk about this all the time is that you like no matter how like drunk she is how like how much of a rush we're in. She's always like will always take the time and that's like one of the first things I noticed like you took the time and like would talk to people and that's like what I really fucked with because there's you see so many people in this industry that don't.

No, it's sad. And I feel like that's such like and that's what made me feel awkward as a kid is when people would say that and like feeling like you have to like not talk about it because like you want to talk to this person. You want to normalize the situation. And I've been in situations where you guys say, hey, hold on this a little much right now. That's maybe like, yeah, like I'm. But they appreciate that. Yeah, it's like you can just normalize a conversation.

But parents for sure definitely there there is a line where it should there has to be a boundary where it's like it's like this is in Like an inappropriate time or like an inappropriate situation like don't like my house don't come like when we've been at like intimate parties like we're like where it's like our kind of friend groups and yeah when somebody comes up to you and says like oh this it's like no you can like Introduce you can ask no you can and she's like we're not like out like randomly like we're

Or people just think they know you so well. We're with mutual friends. Like, we just say, hey, what's your name? Like, oh, I fuck with you. Yeah, and I mean, I always think about the fact that, like, who I am online is very, like, crazy. So it's like people definitely think that we're best friends automatically. And sometimes people think they know you. We'll come up to her with saying the craziest things. Like, I just got gang banged and it was for you.

No, I swear. I can't. No, that's it. It sounds like an exaggeration, but it's literally not like people feel so, so incredibly close to her. And she puts so much of her life like out there that we'll meet people and they'll be like, oh, my God, I'm a porn star. And you have inspired my every move. And it's like, OK, that's it's crazy because Shameless has such like a dark, like deep. That's what I was going to say. It's like a similar situation. I've heard so many people's stories and like you hear the emotions that people are. Yeah, this is what helped me.

I mean, even like- And people relate to Carl, you know? And that's kind of also what like pointed me to want to make music is to make people feel less alone and stuff too. Talk about emotions, talk about stuff. Like that was, that's, I remember listening to music when I was in sixth grade. That's where I first discovered that's what I want to do. 100%. And talk about this stuff. I love music. I think, but I think it's also important when we're in our positions is to open up the conversation about mental health, about people feeling alone and saying like that these, everybody deals with this stuff.

And there's people in the industry that are very lifestyle, but they don't talk about stuff that brings groups together, the underdogs. And I think that's something that's very important for me. I resonate so well with that. It's like, I feel like I definitely vibe with the underdog way more than the like winner. Cause it's like, you know, that's just how I am. I mean, I went through high school feeling like that. Like I felt like, you know, I'm different pick, you know, we always jokingly call Ethan a pick me, but he also loves pick me girls. But it was like,

But, you know, being in high school, like, I was friends with those popular kids, but I wasn't part of their group. Like, I was part of the stoner kid group. And you're different because you're different. They were like, don't hang out with that kid. Like, they're the troublemakers. 100%. But doing, like, being that and having fame and spearheading that and not being afraid to talk about it, I think does so much more than being like, I'm still fucking cool and different. Yeah. But I'm glad you segued into music because I wanted to ask you about that because I think that a lot of people in your position after ACT

acting for 10 years would definitely be afraid to kind of delve into such a new. It's fucking freaky psycho industry. Well, I mean, just trying to like transgress that, but also wanting to. It's like I see actors now just going straight to music. I don't want to go straight to music. I want to act like I told my roommate who I work with music on all the time. And he I said, if I could work on set for 12 hours a day, then come home and work more on music. That's my dream.

Like, I love to keep working. I feel like you don't have to do one specific thing. Like, you can do both. That's what I love about today's generation of fame is that you can kind of do whatever the fuck you want and it's not as frowned upon. I was actually looking at your stuff and I felt like it was very interesting because you kind of came up in the beginning of social media. Like, when it was just like you could be famous on Instagram maybe, like, you know, like YouTube kind of, like that type of stuff, but it wasn't, there wasn't a lot going on. What year was that? What year did you start? I'm sorry. I mean, like, eight to ten years ago.

Yeah, I've had my Instagram since it first came out 2012. Yeah. Like I was, yeah. Do you feel like these kids now have it easier because it's a different generation of fame or harder? I wouldn't say easier. I would say there's more accessibility, which I think is amazing. I think it's great. I think TikTok has opened up so many great opportunities. Like what I was saying, like that group, Creative Coalition that I'm part of, we advocate arts for people that don't have this in their everyday lives and saying that,

I mean, 25 years ago, you see these actors and these musicians like, oh, shit, somebody in rural America would never think that they could be something like that. But that's their passion. Now it's like there is opportunity. For everybody. I mean, like everybody is a broad term, but there is opportunity if you want to put in that. And that's, you know, there's people that just sit on TikTok, make their music, they show stuff and you see this like raw energy behind it. And I found that some of the coolest thing in these past

year yeah and these tiktok kids like love you and look up to you so much so you being like open to it and making tiktoks with everyone and shit is cool because you could also be like fuck that i was an og you know and it's like i think it's like also like i love to like meet kids like an instrument being like yo like make sure you have your shit straight make sure have your fun but it's a fine line to walk 100 you know it's hard you got to make sure that being material is that the word

I don't know. I'm not going to try to say that word. Right over my head. But, you know, just being like cookout. But just kind of like, you know, also know your roots. No, no. Make sure you stay safe. Make sure like you humble yourself out and ground yourself. Yeah, that's the most important stuff about some of this industry.

And so in your music now, like obviously I feel like you're translating that slowly into your music and the feelings that you feel. Do you plan on releasing like an EP? Do you plan on releasing crazy music, touring? I would love to tour. Like I think when we were, Diablo and I were just in Chicago and him and Zach threw a set down. Yeah. And Chicago goes hard for music. Yeah. It's not like here people are just...

I think we, you come from a very music oriented place. Yeah. They shut it. The cops shut it down. Cause it got too much there. And just like being on stage and like seeing people react that it's like, Oh fuck. Like this is, I want to be like in a crowd with people and like talking about emotions. I want to like bring people together. Like that's just that feeling of that. So I would love to tour, but Ethan EP coming soon. I would love to, I'm working on it. That's so awesome. That's ridiculous. But I don't want to be premature with it.

Yeah, that's the easiest thing I've noticed and she's like, you know I don't want to make music just because people think that I can yeah or like just to get streams like you actually emotions out there Yeah, and you know, I've done this like super independently record this in my room. Not yeah go for like a record But that's cool because you could have that record deal you're choosing that you know, I mean like if that opportunity were to come I want to be ready for that. Yes. I'm not ready for it right now. That's awesome That's a really awesome thing. I like the acknowledgement

of it because I'm the exact opposite I'm like how can I get a million streams being a psychopath but I mean that's I appreciate that because I do like putting my feelings into shit as well Chance the Rapper really put me on to the like Chicago not like personally but I mean like the way he discusses Chicago I feel like it's like Chicago's one of the like US like

for the music industry. Just for how much music goes on there, how much people go for music, like whether it's house music, whether it's insane rock, whether it's rap. Yeah. Everybody goes hard there for music. Well, we can't wait for your Chicago show and your Chicago tour moment. Like Chicago.

Speaking, so I mean, I guess I have a couple more questions for you. I don't even know. I wrote down so much shit. But he's answering. I'm going to pee myself too. Should we take a pee break? I have to pee so bad. I love this game. We're not going to group pee. We're going to take our turns. I used to group pee with my sisters. I have such a bad bladder.

Me too. I literally pee every eight seconds. I love that Brooke... I'll pee like 12 times in an hour. I love that Brooke just casually said... I'm so glad you said that. Brooke just casually said she used to group pee with her sisters and then got up to pee. That's all right. I mean Diablo group pee. Of course you fucking do. Yeah. Pee for the boys. Not a pee for the boys. Okay, guys, we're going to take a quick shameless pee break. Buenos dias, world, from the San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance. I'm Marco Wendt. And I'm Rick Schwartz.

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I used your toothbrush last night. Really? That's kind of big for Brooke. She actually- It actually is huge for me, but it's like, oh, like Tana's toothbrush or no toothbrush and I won't go no toothbrush. Are you, are you like a very hygienic person? I mean, yeah. Like I would, I hope. That's not a normal question to ask someone, Tana. I'm like not.

I would say I'm pretty hygienic. Like, I know I clean. Okay. I keep myself. Like, clean environment, too? Yeah. I mean, like, I guess, like, some people might, like, say, like, my place is not, like, frat type house. But, I mean, like, then we got, like, four or five guys living with us. You've been so wholesome and normal. Really? Really? What? I have four people living with me. I got Diablo, my friend Josh, and then my other roommate, Stu, who's a chef. Wait, I always thought you lived alone with Diablo. You have a chef roommate? Yeah. That's amazing. And cooks every meal? Yeah.

Oh, that's fucking everything. Incredible. Can we move in a chef? That's literally insane. Baby, let's start with moving in me. Okay, you're probably right. But after you, a fucking chef? Or do you want to cook? No, I'm just kidding. No, don't. That's ridiculous. So now, honestly, I feel like a lot of people just ask a lot of random fun questions. And I mean, again, like there's a lot of podcasts where we'll ask for fan questions, but then I just will get off talking. But I feel like, again, your fan base is so amazing that they like,

as much as they hate me and try to kill me, they also were tweeting me all day with a lot of questions to ask you. Yeah, I saw what you do. It was like all these fucking questions came through. Oh, I posted on my Instagram. I've never gotten so many responses on anything. Yeah, people really want to fucking know everything that's going on in your life that you love. I mean, I guess one of the questions that a lot of people ask is have you ever hooked up with anyone on the shameless set? That was my number one thing that I got. I'm like, why would you ask that?

But then I was like, maybe. I definitely, like, as I was younger, we, like, I, we had girlfriends on the show. Not them, like 18 year old. You started to date a little bit, but nothing like really crazy or anything. I never like dated somebody seriously off the show. Yeah, that's good. Who's your favorite sibling?

they're all like, no, no, that's the thing. Like, it's such a different vibe because like, I'm there literally. I got speaking on child. Like the guy plays lip. He's like my brother. Guy plays can't or Ian. He's like my brother. Um, it's probably cool as an only child. Yeah. The woman who played Veronica Schnoll. She's like a second mother to me. So when we're all on set, like I'm just fucking around with them hard. Like I'm pushing their buttons.

slapping them, punching them. That's honestly great. But Emma and I, we're the closest because we're this age. We talk every single day. I FaceTime her all the time. We tell each other about each other's life and everything. Sister vibes or is she endgame? Would you ever marry her? No, she's my sister. I just had to ask. She's my sister. I love her to death. A lot of people wanted to know your type as well. What do you look for in a girl? He's Jewish. It sounded like I was that. That's all he ever says. I don't... I mean...

Definitely like are we talking like physically or just like emotionally? Like if I was like in a relationship with somebody, I have to it has to be like a very like emotional communicative relationship. Like I wanted like us to go out, have our fun, but then come back to each other at the end of the day and sit like how we're talking. Like I want that's like what I live for of conversations like in a relationship. That's what I look for. It's like a love language that I have.

Yeah, it's true. Like it's like wanting to communicate, talk about how you feel. Like if I'm with somebody, I could look on your face and say, oh, I know something's wrong. Yeah. Like I need to fix this. Yeah, that's good. A good connection. And, you know, immaturity is always a downfall. I mean, obviously that's a very good answer. I feel like most people want

that you know what I mean it's good anything special anything I'm really digging for the fans I'm bored at this point I've been learning because like I've been in a I was in a relationship from like 16 to 18 then another one from like 19 to 20 are you a serial dater yeah I don't know she's a serial dater I've only been in like two serious relationships to be honest but I definitely do like I love a thing like I love like a nice like fling like if I get I notice like dating people teaches you things

about yourself. It teaches you what you want. She loves learning. Oh yeah, learning. But being in my last relationship, it taught me like, oh, this is like how you deserve to feel. This is like you need to feel right to speak up on this as the other person does too. From 16 to 19 that you were in one relationship, was this public?

Yeah, it was. She's actually my really close friend now. Her name is Brielle. Like, she's best friends with Emma. So that's her friend group. But her and I were like, I'm so close with her family. You had like an amicable breakup and stuff? Yeah, I mean, we were young. Like, you know, we're, you know, we're like both like, like, you know, we're young. But like now she's like, she's one of my really good friends. Good for you. We still kick it and stuff. That's a special trait. That's like how you can tell something about a person is if they have feelings.

that you still are like okay with. - Yeah, I mean like we went through like our falls and downs, but like we became like just super cool 'cause we were best friends before. Like we were like straight, I would spend the night at her house all the time, like nothing like ever like. - Now? - No, no, no, this is like back when I was like 14, 15, like we were friends like that. - How long were you guys like really close friends before you guys? - A year and a half too almost. - Those are the best relationships when you can kind of build off of your friends. - When you start off as friends, yeah. - Yeah. - You're like Hunter, do you hear that? - Hunter, like hello.

I'm just joking. Physically, do you have a type at all or do you feel like you very much, because I'm like a personality type. You can look like fucking anything, but if I fuck with you, I fuck with you. Yeah, it's usually like if I fuck with you, I fuck with you. I mean, like I tend to like- You're like toxic. Toxic, cute, brunette, get at me. But I don't know. I'm like, I used to be a blonde, but- Thank God. Thank God. Yeah, no, really kind of just like,

I don't know, like, you know, just kind of, like, finding people that I fuck with, you know? That's good. I think that's a good thing. I mean, a lot of guys have, like, a specific type. I think that's so interesting to limit yourself to a specific type. Yeah. I've never understood people who have, like, a real true, like, cut and clear physical type. No, I don't have, like, a clear cut physical type. Yeah, I think it's, I think that that just limits you to so much, like, you know what I mean, exploration and, like, love and stuff like that. So I definitely think that's the way to go. What was your favorite scene to film in Shameless? I can't speak. There's so many. Like,

It depends. Like, there's been scenes, like, where you're... Like, I mean, even scenes when I was younger where you're doing, like, crazy shit, like, blowing up a meth lab with the woman who did... I hate to watch Shameless. ...One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. It's so good. Boy, I just started. I'm, like, seven episodes in. I'm, like, it's my favorite show. I really just met you organically, though. No, we didn't. That's what was great about it. When we...

When we met you, we had Savannah with us and Savannah was like, no, you don't want it because she's watched the show and she's been trying to get me to watch it forever because she's like, you don't know. That was all the first night that we met at your place. Right. Yeah. And she told me she's like, Brooke, you have to watch Shameless because that like I tell stories about my like upbringing and stuff. And I literally like lived shameless. Yeah. Like you would love it. Like you'd relate to it so much. But she was like, you like, no, you don't understand. Like Carl's coming over. Like, that's so exciting. Me and Tana were like, like, whatever.

Literally. And now I'm obsessed with the show. Now I'm like, oh my God. We love that. But so blowing up a meth lab. But favorite scenes, honestly, is emotional scenes. Really? Love emotional scenes. Describe some. Like what are some you can really think about? One, I mean, from this movie that I just did called Going Places. Oh, come on.

This was a very emotional one that like, I feel like Shameless trained me for stuff like that where you have, I mean, even seeing people like Emmy Rossum where you're growing up and watching her cry on set and the seriousness that you need to bring. You probably feel that. And it's like, you know, how everybody groups together and saying, allowing that actor to give them their moment and their space to feel like that because how hard is it to feel that vulnerable in front of a crew of 100 people?

100%. I could never. And you got to bring yourself to a certain spot. So I found that when I was younger, I remember saying like, oh, I want to do the scenes and roles that Jeremy and Cameron are playing, Lip and Ian, my brothers on the show, because I love seriousness. But I also think that like. But your character was like more reckless too. So you had a lot of both. So it's like as the later seasons went on, I told the writers and showrunners, like, I want to be able to play this stuff and I want to be able to get there.

That's cool to have your input and have it taken seriously. I saw that over time you've now taken on some like production roles as well. Yeah, they allowed me to come shadow as a director or shadowing the directors when I was 18. So I got to, you know, you sit in the tone meetings from like 6 a.m. to 8 a.m. where you read the whole script. You watch the showrunner say, these are the props that we need. This is the art set. This is how you run a set because I would love to do that. Do you like that?

As much as acting? Both. It's different because I just worked on a music video with the guy who directed this last movie. We directed it together. Yeah. And being able to perform then go and setting up shots was the most energized feeling that I had. Because I love like setting. I love like how like you can set up a camera to make someone feel a certain way. You know, what is it? How does the depth of a shot is going to translate emotion? 100 percent. Do you see yourself having some big like directing roles over time or like doing some

I would like to, I would love to that would, you know, definitely as an actor, I would love to set myself there like and being able to because I love like the energy how sets are run. And you know, you hear stories about toxic sets and toxic work environment. And you don't want that for people. That was like the biggest thing is I remember spending time straddling, I just hung out with the crew. The crew is my best friend. Like Shameless was never a toxic set? No.

That's honestly so cool. I mean, I'm sure some people may have like there have been days like were stressful. But overall, everybody would always say like this is like you're going to come on to sets later on life. You're not going to have this. Like this is a family. This is like what we have here is fucking crazy. That's an awesome thing to take in. And for so many years. For 10 years. Right. To like really take that in I think is the most insane thing because as you know, I have such an affinity for Disney stars. So I mean with all the Disney stars in my life, I feel like I've heard with you, we've been there like where we've just heard like

The crazy horror stories. And not even just Disney, but I mean like a lot of child stars were not as blessed to be on a set that wasn't toxic. And I think what was really good is our showrunner, he really, he had kids our own age. I would go over to his house, hang out with his kid and made sure he's like, yo, if you're not doing well in school, like you do realize like you could be written off.

Yeah. Like you do realize like that, like if you're acting out and you're not like upholding yourself to what your parents want to be is because you you need to be an adult. You need to handle professional like. Yeah. And this was instilled at a very young age. You know, I remember from the first day we had a read through, they go, we don't do sides on our set. You come here knowing your lines. You don't you don't have sides here. Like that is so that literally everything he's saying is just like me in my head, like why I could never act. You're great at acting like, you know, like you like acting.

You know, you like that environment, but it's so not me. Like, I'm so forgetful. I'm so bad at playing someone else. No, I feel like you say that about yourself and it's not true. Like, I have seen so many instances. First of all, you're a phenomenal liar. Yeah, it's more real life acting. Your favorite thing to say is that she always told me that, like, in the beginning of, like, when we first met, because that was what I came out here for, was acting. And I told her, I was like, yeah, I'm an actor. She's like, I could never. And knowing you now, the way that I do, you could be a great actor. You just choose...

You choose not to be. I just act as the many faces of Tana. You never know which one you're going to fucking get. I know. I'm like, girl, I've got nine Tanas on my Rolodex now. Am I the movie split? Should I stop that? Yes. Buenos dias, world, from the San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance. I'm Marco Wendt. And I'm Rick Schwartz.

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Of all time. Do you watch it? Yeah, I did. Well, not like as much as like I did when I was younger. I watched all this last season just to kind of like as like you're. When I was old, when I got older, I kind of had this more of like love and seriousness for like shameless. I was like, oh, this is something I want to keep doing. You're in high school. I was like, oh, this is a job. Yeah, I want to keep it like that. Like that's even a crazy. I take my job seriously, but like it's not part of like my identification yet.

Yeah. And after this, like I would go back and like criticize like my acting in this. I'd be like, okay, maybe I could try this differently. Maybe this is what I want to do. I can't watch anything I do. Like once I do it, like I've actually never seen an episode of this podcast. But I never felt like I was looking at myself. That was the thing. I never felt like I was ever looking at Ethan.

That's such a crazy out of body thought. I guess that's cool. I couldn't say there's like a favorite episode. Just like I have like these like favorite moments. Like it's, I was talking to this with Chanel Hampton the other day, who played Veronica on the show. We're just saying that it's like, it's like this ball of experiences you can just look back on and just be like, wow, like,

Look at all this context we had from I, they, they knew me through my first heartbreaks, my first like, you know, crying. Like you probably think about like all the life things you can relate to. Do you feel like you learned like life lessons from being on the show? A lot of the questions I got when I like posted it was that like people wanted to know if like, like,

portraying poverty, like, taught you anything about, like, actual life? Yeah, you go in, especially going out and, like, being witness to, like, you know, we were filming Southside when I was nine years old. I'm from, you know, a small suburban town, you know, middle-income family, but it, you know, seeing kind of, like, getting to just...

portray these storylines and getting to understand that, you know, what we're doing is not glamorous. Like, you know, even our work situations, like, yes, like we have privileges on set, but we're not trying, like the whole point of like acting in the show is wasn't like trying to live like a lifestyle. We're just trying to tell stories that are true to people. 100%. A lot about, I feel like it's very cool that Shameless portrayed a lot of issues that happen in the real world, like every single day. Like there's obviously a lot of things too that

they wrote for you. I obviously don't know how much you were a part of that, but I mean, that were controversial because you were portraying things that happened in the real world, but obviously you as someone they could say, you know, obviously you have white privilege and you know, this, this actor and this, you know, whatever, like they could say that a lot of that like was controversial, but you were portraying a lot of things that really were happening in the real world. And you having to spearhead that within itself is,

I mean, you're very easygoing, so I don't think you like think about that, you know, but I mean like, like how crazy that is to take on the role of like, I'm going to do this controversial ass shit to show millions of people that this shit's happening in the real world, regardless of how it's going to affect me. And I think that's also like where like wanting to pursue art and just entertainment has made me want to set like, I want to be able to talk about subjects that people don't talk about. Like, you know, you don't talk about

body image, you don't talk about mental health, even drug abuse for fuck's sakes. I'm sure we all know somebody that has or family members that have, so it's important to say where does this stuff lie? These are subjects that need to be talked about so you can bring people together and help heal. I bet growing up on shameless...

like in a way inadvertently gave you that mindset because we're all product of the way we're raised and you were literally raised on the set of a show that was based in such controversial real life issues, which probably embedded why you're so accepting and open into you. And also meeting people in the crew over the years. Everybody comes from so many different backgrounds and experiences. I remember when I was younger, my parents, my people from my hometown, whether it be teachers or people, adults in the neighborhood, they'd be like, you're going to fuck your child up, bring him in the industry is going to,

be exposed to drugs, all this crazy shit. No, back at home, going to public school, you're exposed to way more. It was like safe on set. It was because people are looking out for you adults or giving you advice or saying, yo, this is what you need to do. Look at the shit that I dealt with. Right. And the people who were most sheltered, I feel like I see that a lot with people who like had no exposure to it growing up or almost more like fucked up in the long run because it's like... Because then they want to try it all. Yeah, they're so like...

fascinated by it when it's finally like put in front of them I mean that's why our drinking age here like you know people start drinking at 21 they black out every night people that are in Europe they start drinking with their families when they're 14 they're taught how to drink responsibly here in America we are not that's why you see all these college kids blacking out every day like oh I only drink to black out that's not how you should drink you drink with moderation I'm like really? really? yeah

I go, okay, maybe not when we go. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. You don't ever like embarrass yourself blacked out. You're just fun because you're down to get lit. I've only blacked out once. Really? When I was 14 years old.

And where was I? I was I was around. I was I was around adults like this is like they taught like how to drink like it was like family friends in a household. But at that time it taught me going, oh, this is like not not how I want to feel being 16. And you're out and you see 45 year old adults that are acting crazy. Like that's not how I want to be. So it's like, you know, I like to have my fun, but I'm going to I'm going to cap myself at a certain point. Yeah, that's very true. My point just like changes. So it's like.

No, guys, I can't be the best. I don't think I've actually... One thing I love about our friendship is he's never seen me black the fuck out. We also say blacked out a lot, and we don't mean blacked out. No, it's in the form of endearment. Okay, like really drunk. It just means demon. I could probably count on one hand the amount of times that I've actually forgotten. I would give myself four hands, but I mean still definitely. But I mean like Brooke and I have...

babe. Yeah, that's true. But we've had a lot of moments where I've been like actually like psychotically blacked out, but I've somehow sheltered that side of me for me then. It's all right. I don't judge. I take care of people. So when it comes to your parents kind of sheltering you and teaching you stuff, when you grew up, were you allowed to watch Shameless or was there a day where they were like, okay, now you can watch it?

I watched it when I was younger, but they would like, you know, when I was like 10, my dad's like, you're going to close your eyes during the sex scenes and stuff like that. But I mean, we were in read-throughs at age nine. We heard them all saying that, you know, they're talking about like a shit that goes way over your head. You're hearing them talk about dildos, like fucking like sex shit. And you're just like, I don't know what that is.

And then like you realize at this age, you're like, oh, like that's all this crazy shit that I heard. But you also had people around you to like say and ask questions to that would give you like real life answers. Yeah. Like maybe that's not the place to talk about it. Yeah. So it's like you really learned your P's and Q's from like a young age. Yeah. Being around like adult settings. Yeah. I guess what I'm gathering from you is it's not that it fucked you up.

because it was a good environment which I think is really cool because like I was saying again so many people were but it's more it definitely helped you to grow up maybe faster I mean it definitely was growing up faster and I think that's like you know there's things said but it's like you have to take hold of that maturity and say okay I want this to affect me in the right way yeah yeah I don't I don't necessarily think that that's a bad thing I think you and I both grew up really fast too for a different reason very different we were shameless again but it's like

I wouldn't change anything. I love that about myself because I feel like it affects how I live now. Yeah, that's true. 100%. Things are less shocking and you can handle things better. Yeah, and I see people all the time. I have friends who experience certain things and I'm like,

Yeah. Like, I don't know. It's like such a big deal to them where I don't feel like it's a big deal. Yeah. No, 100 percent. By 18, I was like nothing was a big deal. Nothing could faze me. I mean, I guess there there's definitely points where I will be jealous of people who had a completely normal childhood and they grew up slowly. But like you said, that creates so much of like I'll meet people at such a normal childhood. But then by 18, they have no sense of the real world. They're black.

out every second. They're trying everything now and it's not always as great as it can seem. But I mean, I've definitely had my moments where I'm jealous of people with a normal childhood. Do you ever feel like that was something that you felt or do you? I think my moments are feeling like, damn, like it's hard to connect with other people around my age because we didn't have the same up

bringing in. I've had like a lot of people tell me like, oh, look at like what you've been handed. Look what you've been. It's like wasn't handed like this is going to school and filming was probably one of the hardest things. And I can't imagine fully graduating. Nobody views that as like adversity. I feel like everyone looks at it as like privilege.

You're so lucky that you got to go through that. Because on set, you have to do, so it's mandatory, you have to do three hours of school a day. And this is from the industry. You can take a test called the Chesapeake. I know I'm saying it wrong, but it makes you an illegal adult at 14 years old so you can work 12 hours. It's not emancipation, but you can work as a legal adult on set. So what they'll tell parents and child actors, this makes you more open to acting like that.

And you never did that. It makes you more available. It makes, when you're already on something, it makes sense saying, oh, we can work them longer without having to do this. No, you should be in school. By child labor, you pass this test. That literally is like how you bypass child labor. Which is crazy.

I think that going to school is probably the hardest thing and like trying to manage like a regular life and like having, I'm so glad I had my core friends around me. I was growing up, my friend I've known since kindergarten is still my brother and like having kept my core friends around me and like, all right, we're just going to do our hood rat shit. We're going to go smoke weed in the forest. That's the only reason I'm like alive. Yeah. Like I completely, yeah, you have like a Mari

No, it's the only reason that like, huh? But you too. Yeah, but well, but not I'm not an OG. Like he's saying like people who grew up with. It's like I, you know, those people are the ones that kept me ground. They kept me feeling safe and normal.

And I praise that 100%. No, and that is a cool privilege to have because so many people went through similar things to you, but then it was so much worse because they didn't have people around them to like. And my friends, they saw me going through it all at the same time, so they would understand. Yeah, and have your back. And that's my love language is understanding. I feel like in this world, having people actually understand, like you just said, everyone looks at everything you do as a privilege. I think that comes with fame. You sign off the victim card.

You can never be like, I like sex. Yeah, you're not allowed to complain anymore because everyone looks at what you do as like, like I said, a privilege. Like it's, you're so lucky to have all of this and it's like, of course, but like, it doesn't take away from like the bad.

the bad. But also people at this age, we're all the same. We all fucking struggle mentally. We're all still struggling trying to figure out who we are. And I think that's like the biggest things that people like get away from this, like what people and, you know, the rest of the world look at people in the industry and like say like, oh, well, look at them. They already found themselves like, no, these people haven't found them.

- No one has. - They're just trying. - And they're just posting that. - This is just more public and they're just trying shit like this. Half the time people that are posting about their music that's like raw, this is vulnerable emotions. - 100%. - They'll read the comments and cry about it. - 100%. - Because they're talking, you're literally like this, they're putting everything on the page.

Brooke reads every comment so that one really resonated with her. She loves, she loves it. If you're commenting on this podcast, just know Brooke's reading it. I read it immediately. Immediately. But one thing that I think is respectable about you is that you're honest about that because a lot of what people do online is so highlight reel based. You know, my life is so perfect. My life is so great. I'm so famous. So it's almost like they add to that stigma. You know, they're like, my life is so perfect. Look, so to like break that fourth wall is a good thing. And why we wanted you onto.

Yeah, and that's like I never really was interested about like I want to post lifestyle shit like this is like I just like want to like you know meet people and shit that are fun cool create like live your life I mean like acting for me is like I just want to work with dope people and create dope shit and continue to be a semi normal person go the fuck off even honest you're like the most normal person I know on it. He really it's kind of strange right? Like is he not?

I like this episode because I was just thinking to myself, this is by far, no questions asked, the most wholesome in-depth episode I feel like we've ever had. This is like my favorite episode we've ever done. I didn't like expect, I literally came in, I was like, what the fuck are we going to talk about?

No, but it actually like I was just saying you're a good conversationalist and it was dope to kind of delve into a lot of the things that you've been through. It's like you can have like a normal because like, you know, we're both still going out. Like I like to have my fun. I just like, you know, that's not like what I curated myself around. But I think people don't really realize that it's like because like, oh, shit, like I'm still going to go out. We're going to go mob. We're going to go out to like a party or club, have our fun. What do you call it? Demon time?

Demon time. That's all we ever say. We're always on demon time. It fits your clothing brand really well, though, because that's what all that is, is demon shit, devils on all your shit. That was like the first thing. I was like, oh, he's designing some really raunchy shit. I want it. Yeah. And I was like, he's like normal. Like, we could get along. I mean, hopefully after this podcast, we'll stop receiving some death threats. Yeah, stop the death threats. That's not nice. But honestly, I doubt it.

I'm here for it. I think it's cool. I went into today knowing that it would be a little controversial having Ethan on, but I think that you're my favorite guest so far. Oh, thank you. Oh, by far. I mean, yeah, we had a very, it's funny because we just had an episode with a guest. I'm sure everyone can guess who. That was definitely very centered around toxic masculinity. So to have someone on kind of destigmatizing that is a great thing. So thank you for coming in today, Ethan. Thank you for having me. I've had a great time here.

Well, thank you for being here. We love you. You're a natural. We're literally fully going to like go out tonight and be on Demon Time. Oh, no, we're Demon Time now. Like he lives 45 minutes away. We already started drinking. Right now, five is wholesome time. No, 100. And I know for a fact, Brooke and I are about to shoot another podcast just talking about life. He's going to be out there with Diablo blacking out. And then we're all going to not literally blacking out. We just discussed that. Not literally. It's a term of endearment. Yes, right, right.

It's a metaphor. Jump cut to us later on TikTok where everyone's confused as to why we're friends. But we love you, Ethan. And we love Shameless. And we're excited to see everything that's happening in your future and to help you express yourself in any way. I don't know. Thank you so much. I appreciate you guys having me on here. Ethan CP.

Coming soon. Yeah. Anything you want to promote or do we, do we, I think we already promoted it. Yeah. We got, we got, we got like a nice, like a little train of stuff. It was like, I was excited. I'm happy with this. You did that very organically. We love you, Ethan. We're staying shameless. Hopefully the death threats will stop. We know they won't and we'll be on demon time later tonight. So stay tuned for that. Love y'all. Thank you. Bessie for coming on and giving me the cloud. We love your cloud. Ethan. Brian, don't take us off. Bye. Canceled. Is canceled. A DWE talent production.

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