Episode 81: No One Is Immune to GAS
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Welcome to episode eighty one at the camera city podcast, the world's highest rated open source film photography. My name is my gut men, and we are back with another episode. At the end of the last episode, we promised you an entire show dedicated to size icon.

And as IT often does, life gets in the way, and we were unprepared to do justice to this very important and complicated brain. In addition to that, tonight we are without half of our host. As told, Anthony and video are unable to make the regular recording, leaving paul and mike defend for themselves.

So we decided upon the size icon discussion to another episode and vivid to an episode entirely about gas. As hopefully you all already know, the greatest strength of this podcast is our ability to do, without any preparation, talk about pretty much anything. So anything is what we already to deliver.

Might cast some cool recent pickup s city wants to share with you. And paul is ready with a lifelong gg. Supply of camera collecting and selling stories to deliver, and the spirit of an episode without half of our house, we're skipping, passing introductions and diving, right.

And looks like we have a bunch trip in the waiting room. Select, let a men get started. We have a bunch of people here today.

Several names that I recognize, a few that I don't. Looks like we got some europeans here to. I see mark beetles con from the U.

K. I think he's working though. Fernando and germany.

Fernando, welcome back. Well, pink comes here. Wait, is that wine? Cyphers, I do.

And oh, I should have recognize the mustache. Raf, L, E, S, S. And w.

Ames, hello. Will welcome everybody. Um we're out the other day. We had some scheduling issues this week, unfortunately prepare as best as we would like. So we're kind of just wing IT today.

Um I know we promise some size discussion and I suspect at least some of you might be here for the ads. So any topic is on the table. Um I know that any of us have received a lot of new things.

I think I was the first person to fall for gas um from the eighties episode because shortly after that episode was recorded we were talking about the the nineteen eighty ears that had the lenses where there was external on of of focusing motors, one of which was the pen tax M. F. So just had a curiosity.

I searched ebay to see if there were any good examples worth bidding on and I found a one in japan from a japanese seller that I put an opening bid on. And a couple days later, I was the only person biting on IT. So IT has an arrived jet.

But I do have a pen tax M F coming um and i'll be able to do like a comparison between that in some of the other cameras that are very simple. Do seventy seven? No I don't have any of the powers focus olympus models.

Just trying to remember what else i'm seventy seven in the M E F. What else was a can and .

have the the T A which I talked about the one .

in the men .

alta X X honor which didn't necessarily support the lenses but they had that out of focus confirmation life that you laugh so much. But um I think the one thing that I showed I showed the review camera A C three and I don't think I explained that well enough because the review non lends that I have on IT is completely independent in the body. They did make a later version of that camera that did have body to lens communication.

But I think what's so cool about that lens is that I didn't even have any kind of body, the lens communication. So that means the lens works completely independent by itself. And you could mountain IT to any k mt.

game. I think I mentioned you could put IT on A K one thousand or N M X and effect if we have auto focus on those bodies too. So um I haven't shot IT yeah I fully expect the focusing performance to be terrible.

I may never even shoot the M F, but IT looks like a nice model. And if i'm in a bit on an opening bid and get IT without any competition, you know IT IT was definitely cheap. So once I have IT, i'll i'll share any additional thoughts that I have for IT.

But my biggest thing that i'm super excited about that we did not talk about a model that i've wanted to get my hands on for quite a while. I had to use my um I don't think I have clout. I don't if that's the right word for IT, but I had the leverage.

You know it's not what you know, it's who you know. And paul was gracious enough to put me in touch with the people at Roberts camera that Operate, use photo pro at an an apples in inDiana, which is not too far from where I live, because they had a camera for sale. He had been up there for quite a while.

No one was beating on IT. Um it's one of those cameras that so rare that is just hard to evaluate and in the market has been down. We've talked about this a lot.

Cameras that sold for over thousand dollars might only be getting half that now then to markin had the to maran auction this past saturday. I had the ilford witness that I reviewed, which um it's not my camera but I I was I broke red IT from a listener in the U. K.

And that was in the auction an accident cell. And dan even commented that some of the lenses in what they might have fetched in years past weren't even getting Better. So in terms of the the use camera market, specifically high dollar items, you're just not seeing the Prices that these things used to sell for.

So anyway, they have this camera. It's um it's called the detroit a four hundred. So this is an american range finder is made by the roller in uh, detroit, michigan an um if you've ever heard that name before, it's probably because used to seeing they made a whole series of backlight, one twenty seven cameras that look like this.

These are the kinds of cameras that they were most of well known for. They kind of have that similar. The argus a shape.

The the chicago cluster had this big light. We're like the back is perfectly flat um but the front is like black rounded back. This this camera shoots one twenty seven film, four by three images on IT. So this is the typical detroit camera.

They made one additional and thirty five million mile range finder, as everybody seems to do whenever you have a what i'd like to refer to as a like A, A jaccard camera, people at one time would call this the american like a, which is absolutely is not. It's a range finder, is a camera. And IT shoots thirty five millimeter film.

And that's about where the similarities, ties. And IT does loosely have a similarly shaped body. IT does have a screw.

Mt, but it's a thirty eight millimeter lands, which is obvious reasons, is incompatible. This one has a women. Sc, fifty millimetre, three, five lands on IT. But the most remarkable markable thing about this camera, in addition, was very ness, is that IT works perfectly.

So anyway, so I I ask paul, would you be able to put me in touch with somebody there? And you know, IT doesn't hurt to ask, but will they let me borrow that camera? And who did you end up get in touch with?

Paul a Nelson copy, who is a late buyer, used to be the LED buyer. K, E, H, three years friend. And I can tell you, K, E, H, when Nelson was, there was a great place to buy.

But since Nelson has left to the company is sold, uh, if you're looking at for anything used, in particular in the U. S. Used photo pro.

But this Robert sales ARM is really a good place to check. They're very accommodating and there they check things out very carefully. So I pretty .

excited to handle this. I'll definitely have a review coming of IT. According to savin gandy side, they're were less hundred, made nobody really knows for sure.

I think it's one of those one and done cameras where they got in a little over their head, they produce something that they couldn't feasibly reproduce fast enough. IT was too expensive for for its intended dies. And then the last nail in the coffin is at this camera debuted in like mid nineteen and forty.

A year later, the united states had entered world war ii. And you know, the need for manufacturing to produce stuff, the war effort, basically, you meant that a lot of the smaller companies had to switch over the other things, and they never continued after the year. So the pen, tex, M, F and h, the controller are what the pencil is shown up yet.

But those are kindly like my two recent pickup s and and i've very shot a role of h pana omeo C, X. In the droll a. The shutter seems to work fine. I wanted to pick a film that was at least kind of around in the error in which IT was made panic. I think IT was expected to authorities, but the formulation was completely different.

But I figured it's close and off so much. Is that a loner?

A rental or a purchase? It's a loner. I'm gonna.

I I promise to have to return to them in a couple weeks. And so far I am liking IT. I know it's an in practical camera.

I don't know if I can work out a deal, but maybe I could come up with some kind of way to trade something for them because I just I have, in my opinion, every significant american camera except this one. So in a way, this will kind of complete the collection. I have an actual, I have the bill in hot, I have a carton, you know, sorted artists in the clearest and such like that. So to have this would be kind of cool and i'm hoping I could find a way to come up with a deal with them and end up keeping IT. But as if right now it's just a longer .

as far as the american cameras, what would you think is, uh, all of you in european on would be like the top level of the american .

made cameras in terms of features and functionality. IT would have to be a tie between the kotex extra and the bill in hall photon. Both of those were incredibly innovative cameras.

Photon just doesn't look like anything else ever made. It's really, really pretty. It's notable for having a shutter. This bill in hall was known for making cinema cameras motion picture equipment. So there is a modified version of a cinema shutter on this thing.

You can't really see a consume doesn't show up, but the body covering is like a dark letter, like a dark Brown kino gives us a unique look it's got this kind of like the art deco stripes kind of go on across the top. Um it's not obvious by looking at IT, but the context range finder. Was an inspiration for IT.

It's this little wheel here on the side is actually a focus will you can see the lens of spinning? So I kind of took that you like a remote focus wheel. And in what lea said, it's got the motor drive wind up in everything.

And what I really like about IT is in addition to being able to fire the shutter one at a time, it's got a rapid fire mode, which is really need the extra would be cool to. The problem is, is both are pretty hard define and neither or known for for working very easily. So I mean, to answer your question, if you're purely going based off of specks, IT would be one of those two.

If your question was what's the best usable american range finder? Um i'd have to go with codec. I really like the signals.

I you know they're on paper, the not the most exciting cameras. The sign nt thirty five has only I think a four speech shutter. So I kind of limit your exposure possibilities.

But the camera is super simple. If IT does break, it's very easy to clean, very easy to get working. The signal t thirty five has a four element, is still called an guitar lens, but it's not the same thing as the one from the medalist.

It's a reformulation. But IT IT produces wonderfully sharp images, very easy to use, that has a very distinct, doesn't like anything else, and they're pretty cheap too. So like if if there was someone that wanted to get into american cameras and wanted a good one, good value, good pictures and has a really good chance of working, I would definitely say the second .

thirty five that in the mercury two yeah.

that's a very innovative fund cam. Also in the change able lens, a lot of people don't realize the lens comes off that thing. They did make a couple different lenses for a um there's even if it's called a hacks r but it's not made by knishes OK rico ica. Somebody else made a hazar lens for it's got an f two epicure, so incredibly rare, but they they made a telephoto lands for IT. Ah there is a whole bunch of accessories for the mercuries and they have woven sack lenses, you know I mean, like the roller, no, in my opinion, any time i've ever handled a camera that or shot a camera that's got a one sack lands, they were an an excEllent optical company in in the images. Those cameras maker quite good.

thanks. So serious, just like a lot of american cameras, I think that are not so great. And I think we are a leader in those are the camera industry.

But I always find a fascinating that there's just so many of them and there were so many companies like early on trying to make all these different cameras. I think they are great. I I think I have the codec signal.

receives the codec signals. In the year, I could have thirty five were were very nice. I think A, I I contend that black could.

Thirty five was one of the pretty cameras, pretty S. U. S. Cameras was the military version of Michael. Was that that could thirty five?

Ah there's a black version that to um there's a black black crow.

just a big beautiful camera.

There's a black second thirty five drive they .

through the OK.

Yes.

beautiful.

It's got to sit on there, on the back or about there. Is the U. S. Signal correct? 一。

the signal thirty five hours.

Toga is basically the exact same. Camera is not black. The black ones are kind of hard to fine, but get the basic chone ones if they don't work.

You can cleaning yourself, honestly, if the lens is the shutters, really easy to get apart and and just, you know, spray out some dirt. If you want to send IT in for a proper C, L, A, you can. But they do make really wonderful images.

And the model eight hundred was was that the only one that took out change baLances?

The eighty .

yeah sign as well.

Yeah, signal more eight hundred.

It's it's actually eighty. Signal eighty, eighty ah yeah. This is a neat camera, also takes good pictures when they work. The lens mount is diabetics. It's it's not quite as bad as the argus y forty four mount.

But um I found many of these where the lens comes off and I won't go back on the shutters on these are problematic to um it's got a really huge view finder. I mean, you can actually see through IT if I could hold that up to the laptop camera. It's its lifesize.

This successful y on the top is a frame finder for some of the oxygen y lenses, which I don't have. I think they made three different vocal links for this camera. But yeah, you're write, pal.

It's the only of the signal series within our changeable lenses. The rumor goes with this camera is by the time they made IT range finders have fAllen out of popularity so far. No one was buying a premium american cameras.

And for the Prices they wanted to sell these for, they just couldn't move on. So years after code actis continued this model, reportedly camera stores still had a whole bunch of them in that they were basically giving away free to people going back to last episode, which I I thought turned out really well. And I don't want to spend IT on a time here too, but we'd never did get to talk about bridge cameras.

I teach the real mary, this is a this camera. Think you are an eight. And I I just love the iat, I should say, idiotic, the unique, you know, design.

If IT is got this folding handle, the flash shoots up and then out so IT IT like if IT goes in and then back out like that, ah it's got like a basic zoom. Thirty five, one, thirty five. This was the predecessor to slightly Better bridge cameras like the olympics I S series.

I S one, two and three shanon had the genesis in. And I think that the whole thing with bridge cameras is the the manufacturer we're seeing. We're getting new technologies of plastics and electronics that allow them to do different things with the shapes and functionality that they couldn't previously do.

So you know, if you think of as soon as as solar is kind of hit the market in the late fifties, nine hundred and sixties, what we basically considered red a camera to look like didn't change significantly. Certainly, there were a few minor deviations to the raining formula, but IT wasn't really until, like the mid to middle eighties, where we really started to see a significant change direction. And not all we're successful. If you like ugly looking cameras, the areas is a pretty cool one to have. Manoa had a camera to that was similar shape, but I just didn't have the folding handle.

But I do really like those.

I think that yeah.

if I had the one feature that none of the others had .

IT would multi .

your film for you to to lock up and rip film, rip film.

Yeah if if you take a bad picture at or deleted for you and just you .

destroyed the you never got a bad picture because you usually we .

ve got some interesting people here. So I I think we have a good selection of of guess. I mean, I what's new with some of you guys when we haven't seen you in a wild?

What have you been active work mostly this dog now. So I I can't really go out to shoot anymore. Yeah, I picked up some good books right lately. So this little books I just picked up about the best pocket go in the future world war.

We're to get a copy .

need mostly about it's use in the war, but it's what's .

interesting about the the vast pocket. I'm sure your book covers IT, but they put a lot of different lenses on those cameras. They can be found with ice tesla.

They can be found with engine inlay enses from paris. Um obviously they had american lenses. They had doublets cheap dub lets to rapid recliner lenses.

I mean, they that was the in my opinion, and everybody gives the Browning credit for being like the first, you know, consumer. Cameron, in in many ways, IT was but the best pocket men. They made that for anybody and anything. You're right. They IT does have the nickname of the soldier's camera.

Supposedly a lot of people use that camera in um during the first world war because IT was the first camera small enough and tough enough to be able to handle being shoved and not a soldier's pocket and uh you'll see some like trench, the soldiers fighting in the trenches that were taken and vest pockets. And I don't know how many of them were made, but just the first number of super variations on that camera suggest that was extraordinary ly a popular so that seems like IT could be a pretty interesting book to learn more about that one model. This is a pretty neat book that I think a lot of people would like.

Unfortunately it's in german only but it's called cameras for million. Um it's it's dedicated to cameras made behind fast who did the early thirty five? The vegan addis a the verizon addict electronica.

He did the early e 1， Anthony. It's a pretty neat little book that covers all of his design elements in his whole history. It's a nice hard cover book, shows a lot of, you know, behind the scenes pictures of him working ferri in fear.

Again, some prototypes. It's all in terminal and I don't speak or really german. So um for the sections that were interesting to me, I had to use my cell phone and google translate but I did a pretty good job.

I was able to get the information of that I want so i'll stop short of recommending. It's just everybody. And if they are not if you don't have the patients to sit there with google translate because i'm not aware of an english translation of this book, this one was pretty interesting. If you want to learn more about um hinds, ask in the the contributions that he did.

what about you will no I don't know. I I had a couple of you know how we were talking a while but act about the ebay stories and facebook parking place so I had a co worker ask me if I want a couple cameras that were his dads uh turns out there were both records um which is kind of call one was the ro matic thirty five and then the other one um I think nature is the the week the week of five hundred so very excited to both great shape and very clean。

And the film advances work on them.

Events work on them. Yeah, unfortunately, the the famous greece as one of them are the five hundred. The focus is focus.

Reals locked up. 嗯， look at all. And on the the other one, the shutter is the blades were all closed down. All seems .

like.

It's a great camera and it's got the the wind level underneath f um and just the design is really cool, but I think they are fairly easy to fix and get that race, loosen up, cleaning out. So i'll probably give me a try at some point.

If you look up the archi ten, yeah there's a serko ten and as archi eleven, which are a very similar they call IT a copy of the ecotec. IT doesn't have the bottom trigger film advanced though at least I don't think IT does. No, i've i've never seen one. But if you go look at pictures of the archy ten and eleven, that might be why IT looks soviet to you. Because the soviet.

yes, I I have to do. Okay.

does IT does IT have the bottom trigger film?

The top? okay? Yeah.

that I maybe they couldn't figure that part out but IT IT .

doesn't fit somewhere my other not really a still camera but um you guys know that the pixel two thousand which was he was a video camera ninety eighty seven that records on dio cassettes.

I bought a new when I came out, and I have filmed so many punk rock shows. With that, I ve got shoe boxes full of concepts. Because be able to be able to shoot at the right.

to be able to get video, is like, just is like five times speed, the exact moves across the head. So get like ten minutes per side of a set.

So I ve looking one for a long time, and I don't know, like a mother. So ago there were one popped up on facebook marketplace for eighteen box. Kiss me.

I mean, if you look on ebay like hundreds and so i'm like our messages, the guy span hour away and screen everything is he looks great at all this stuff. And message crickets. Message again, crickets.

I don't know. Okay, whatever. So I kind of give up on that.

I found a different one on, uh, you know, ebay from my god, well, or something like forty box. I got IT IT needs work. The batteries are provided and kind of gave up. And yesterday, possible warning of marketplace, the same camera from this guy down screen. And i'm like, I tried again, so I send him another message great. I literally just drove down down, got back here about ten minutes before it's perfect shape, perfect condition, eighteen box and ask the guys how, you know, I message you, you know, kind of wear and here for you and he's like, oh yeah, it's like, I I have hearts, do you done and her SHE, I couldn't really write back to you. I was like, oh my god, is a nice, nice guy but yeah I think is my first successful marketplace story .

of those pixel have been .

pretty heavily modified over the years by different artists to like be able to much like the output.

Yeah, that's that I saw years ago. That's what kind of attracted me too. They just look like to be a lot of I have to find cassette pe as the hard part.

They are a blast to play with.

So I assume you have to use the camera itself as the play back device too. Yeah, cook up some. Yeah, video cables IT.

Well, I mean, that's the kind of stuff that I love. I love and you know, out of the box camera stuff that did weird IT reminds me of the captain electronic. This, they called the R C.

A electively, where IT was a an alternative to laser desk, where movies came on final records. And I have a bunch of them. I have a working player admitted I haven't probably touched IT in ten years, so I don't know if IT still works. But there's just something fundamentally neat about watching a movie that's being played on a an analog vinal record. I mean, got a stylist and everything, it's super cool.

Oh, that's cool. yeah. The the whole I read all the technology, have they developed that to record the acceptations? It's really .

right anyway there that's a that's a addendum to our a video floppy that we were talking about on the last episode. So that's cool if you do get some footage from IT, please. I'd love to see IT, 而 Anthony on of ever can find yours。 Do you still have the camera anywhere? Yes, I do not.

About finally been fifteen years once I shot with IT 啊。 But you know, kind of give you that look of like the landing on the moon where you know it's black and White, it's violated. You know it's proud.

I think it's IT might be forty resolution or it's probably lower than that. I would think maybe two forty. But uh, because takes movie so fast, the audio is actually very good.

So it's it's stand couric doesn't come out and shoot the more landing for you any like that? No, i'm really sorry we didn't come Better prepared for my stuff, which just wasn't gona work out today. So um does anybody have any questions?

And yes, I have a lot.

Okay, right? Let's this would be like the prelude desire episode because I know that when we do IT, it's not going to fit and no one episode. So let's get some stuff any questions you have now and i'll do my best.

Okay, let's begin with the rex sport eye, which is a beauty. And this is .

anx a tax .

on a money was taxane the tax .

oona was postwar. yes. So what special about the text on, or does IT shoot? What kind of .

images is show? Yes, this is you, you know, the, or move the film with the this level, and you fire through directly through through the lands.

So it's got a trigger film advance on the body and then the shuttle released his opposite of IT. But IT shoots square images, right? yes. yeah. So it's like a robot. Um the texas ono is post for the pre war would have been the ten x one which is interesting because the ten x two came before the ten x won. yes.

So you show in the film gate it's a twenty four by twenty four millimeter came as so it's it's a bit smaller I have both the pre world tennis one into the two head in our change able lenses。 It's essentially, I should say, but it's it's analysis to a size contacts, but with a leaf shutter and the interchange able lenses to range finder and IT is twenty four by twenty four also. So I so the the text x and attacks on a call square image sizes pause, holding up, uh, west loads. I actually would like to get him to participate with us because while he is kind of limited to the tank x family, he does have a decent among acknowledge about this is a brand but that's a really great camera um and then you ve got one from from curt and you shot IT and we're quite pleased with the results, right? We lost.

But one of you guys, either you or anthon, they sent me that book.

I probably because I about .

something else, either either by a mistake or or you did IT IT. I think, I think I actually came from anthem.

That's possible. I already had a copy. So I I member, when I thought, I thought I sent to anything, maybe he had a copy to informed.

And you I don't know, but it's I mean for how much information he was able to come up with. One model is pretty impressive. It's a really nice camera though and sorry.

the teens um two is the camera I voice want to get. But I I recently got a tax oona again, the shelters can. They are complicated camera effects to anyone .

deal with those? No, it's not so difficult. You open IT this simple.

Well, that might be said men would try. I don't know. I mean, i've recently found out he can see a ay a billion halfon. So if he could do this, then I would assume me he could do the tax oona. Yes, but i'm i'm gonna edit that part although because paul, I was joking totally kidding what i'm saying this, but we're joking around that his backlog is getting bigger and bigger because we keep talking about him. So are anyway so the so the contracts you had.

right yes.

you to tell about that.

oh, this is your beauty. Is that the lenses great. I have many lander disciplinary, uh, f two fifteen millimeter. Unfortunately the h lights tre doesn't works. But if you hear how IT sounds when you shoot is like a tank is beautiful NASA .

use those and certain space.

which I, yes, yes, that I used one of these side, which is interesting.

because they worked with a lot of hole bloods. Later, they moved on the icons.

But for them to have taken a ice camera, that was as complicated as that thing was in the out space, that that was kind of remarkable because, you know, you would think that they would want something that they could at more easily fix because getting i've i've heard that, that's one of the most difficult cameras effects some cookie number like five thousand individual parts or something like that inside there. I mean, it's for anybody who's never seen the the contracts balls. I it's got this big, so anim light meter above the lands.

But what's remarkable about IT is how you restrict light going into the meter. It's got its own diagram. M, yeah, he took the cover off. So IT has A A lens dire frame that opens encloses, just like the dire frame on a landis, to restrict how much light goes in based off a film speed. So if you have a slower film, you open IT up more. If you have a faster film, you close IT down to mean, you know, most companies were, we're happy with, like a sliding bar or something, uh, even a filter of some kind. But they they incorporated, they went above and beyond on there.

And you have a inter changeable backs that you can change film a without with a dark sly.

It's like a magazine camera where, you know not all the bags can do IT you need the special back to do IT. But IT allows you to change roles of film that role swap IT out with arago. Okay, so rafael's that one one thing I find interesting about the counter rex is that has its own proprietary land's mount that no other camera ever used.

And Normally when you have an s ellar with a limited byan at or I should save him in any landsman t like that. There aren't many cameras that use IT. Usually, you can find those lenders for cheap because they have a very limited use, but not the contracts those lends to go for crazy money.

Well, part of that is because a lot of most of have element separation minutes. I have never figured out why those lenses in particular were so prone to have problems. I I mean, i've seen him. I I I bet at least half of the lenses and i've gotten have had about some separation and the rest of them had a very bound up heal code. I don't know he was a particularly Grace or the the way they have that was a design, but they they have a lot of problems with those linens.

So roughly else's lds ups for stuff there too. You want to go off me and tell us what you get. Introduce yourself for quick because I don't think you'd on the show before, have you?

I have and has been quite a long time. I OK where .

you call from.

I'm gender color to.

okay, right?

I was actually just listening to the episode before and ended literally like seven minutes before this. And I happened have like my favorite like a point suit to cheap, cheap camera that I got is a continuer one a um that takes the best slide pictures of anything that I own. Uh and so I was hoping that somebody that could speak to IT, because guys always know so much about cameras. So I was like.

tell me more about, I think he likes that camera, but he he fell out here. He probably had something else grown on but the tiner is a nice little camera. It's very compact. And h you know, they they bore quite well. What you got also looks .

like ages got a meter version.

Yeah, picked on a blast monon. We did big, our big event on the vintage cameras I love in in IT. I'm really loving IT.

The interesting thing about this for me is I knew nothing at all about the E V system, but that's how this one works. Um and so learning about exposure values instead of the seventeen sixteen rule um was sort of life changing um to be able just and looking around and and just judging the the general likes body being to set. I wish I had E V reading on all of my cameras and rough .

let me let me just make one note that the E V system is basically a mechanical program without all the electronics and computers behind IT. Because if you just want to change your depth field, you just, you rotate the two rings together. And that's that's the beauty about E V.

system. I haven't on one of my other cameras, uh actually on my retna. I love IT and IT freaks. Everybody at when I talk about exposure and that in the in in the forties and the fifties they actually had that kind of a mechanical automation.

Yeah, IT works wonderful. Ly, I love that. So I to go back to your um the original thing was yeah I did at some point and I have not shot this year um but I did pick up the whole kit with three lenses, three film bags.

What the flex .

or yeah I think the super bee, I don't I don't know. It's yes.

if it's got the exchange able bags, I think that's .

the super yeah I got IT be .

exchangeable backs. Does IT have the two flash .

sink ports on top of the prison?

No, no.

this out, sorry.

this is contradict you change just the top of the length.

So the lines are .

are lens that that stays .

here and these conditions, right, right?

So you can take that accessory lens thura fail and mounted to a digital camera. Mean, I guess you could, but it's not you're not going to get good images from IT because IT, it's like the kodak retina. When you would change the lens, part of the lens element stays with the camera.

You're just changing like the front grouping. So they did that a lot on leaf shutter cameras because I was very difficult to construct the leaf shutter where all of the lens elements were in front of the blade of the actual shutter blades. A lot of them, if you look in the film compartment, you'll see a glass element there.

Obviously, when you're changing lenses, you can change the lens if it's behind the shutter. So they would make those where you would have a limited ability of changing focal length by just swapping out either the front grouping or in some cases, you would just screw on and on. I almost like up like those cheap.

You would see them for um camp quarters where would alter the focal length, but it's just like a focal length multiple er or something. But that was kindly like what they did back then. But that was unique to leave shutter s. lars. No other Cameron usually did that.

And the counter flex shares the same system of the backs that you can interchange as the counterfeits.

And they're not simple between the counter rex and the counter .

flex now is much more weather the contracts, weather the context. Lex is much less right.

which I seen people sell counter flex bx as counter x backs advice for yeah .

IT doesn't help that they put counter as the prefix for the company.

They made the cantina.

What is the context? I don't know. They, they just, they started making contexts and everything became a at .

the counter flexes, one thousand and .

six was there never change ability. But twice eight dox. And the the count.

Remember the dox.

three hundred and back?

Oh, no, i'd be a little different.

So they were there .

in the and then black.

oh yes.

okay, yeah. It's very different.

And in my ice collection also enjoy these two guys as well, which is the of ecospaces.

wonderful. You have to be careful how to how to load and should, if you do not do in the right order, maybe we wanna talk or yeah.

I don't know if you thought, but I just have had I didn't know there was film in here. There's actually a role of thirty five millimeter in here that I just talked, posed and I closed IT and now i'm back in that a territory where it's reset and now I got to go back and yeah, basically gonna lose the .

that .

thirty five millions adapter for that is a pretty cold accessory to have. I mean, you know, certainly reflexes. You know the flex arrets offered thirty five nine meter adapters for the tellers to about it's it's pretty cool to be able to do.

And I think the theo talked about this with some random camera that he that he never likes to talk about. But you can put a um I think you can take the baffle off of that and shoot thirty five millimeter and get like sudoku orams images out of IT worth the full six centres. Wait, that's hilarious. He literally just entered .

the waiting room.

I guess so much. Okay, when will you get there?

Because Anthony y suddenly disappeared and because C, O, we should really talk about the test thirty five.

Test thirty five. Yeah, might be the same person. Yes, here are welcome.

thanks. I join for a little bit that .

we settled on a missile ious kind of episode. But since miss lenise also doesn't de eyes, we did eventually get into everybodys, kind of go around the room talking about their favorite models. And we were remarking at how many size cameras all began with cat.

Use that information with for how you will. But so we need to contest the thirty five, right? That's a very popular camera that a lot of people really like.

Um IT would be their competitor like the retina. IT makes wonderful images. I know that is a camera that a lot of people really like.

And I I will admit I am not one of those people. I find the ergonomics to be poor. It's difficult to change things like focus. You have to reach and and and that that the wheel is very tiny.

The rings are tiny for the speeds. And but such a thing, camera to use .

yeah they make great images. Sure that I another thing I will say in defense of the contest will really defense。 But if that camera has been sea aid and everything's working, how IT should IT is a very different camera than if it's stiff.

I mean, I know that's probably a common sense, like any camera is going to be Better when it's cleaned, but that camera really suffers when IT stiffs up to the point where I don't even like using IT. So I would suspend. I do have one. But if you get one of those cameras and you can get one that's been a recently delayed or just is in really wonderful condition, it's it's a much Better charity years than one that's stifled up now. Have you shot IT with .

IT before I served mine myself?

okay. Wow, you didn't IT yourself done.

W has a video and its mine as the is an earlier model with a computer rapid. So it's pretty simple. Other, I do wish I had a case. The letter case were useful. IT doesn't have a attracted mind on the bottom, so IT looks in using the step legs.

I don't have the case, but I have one that came in the regal box. This is like a valid material. I don't know what what material that is, but it's got a soft texture, but IT says conTessa in like gold flake and then you open IT up in the cameras and like in boston, the body so I don't have you see, wouldn't be able to fit the the already case in there too.

But this is kind of a nice display bags for IT. We had Anthony hands join us, Anthony, from from down under. welcome.

Thank you so much, mark. Good to everyone .

to see a and Andrew, purely Andrew, welcome. Have you gotten to say hello yet?

No, thank you for alarm a soon. I listen to this podcast prety frequently and so it's actually see people's spaces with the voices are here.

Well, rafael just told us he literally finished episode eighty seven minutes before the show started so he went from listings to an episode of participating in the very next one so that's um obviously unique enemy of the show that I don't think to many other party casters are crazy enough to do so, uh, what do you shoot .

Andrew first say I learned everything about cameras from, listen to all the episodes to this point and right now i'm shooting, uh, has a blood x pen, which I know people here don't like, and also have blood super White .

camera that's .

now we don't. We d like those a lot. I mean, it's the super wide in particular, but the expense are the great cameras just you know they they become problematic. So yeah that's the only problem with this is just they're having some failures.

Yeah that's true. And I am you know obviously worried about that there there .

is something out mention to you just in case you you do have a failure with the expand. I just set up two bags to a guy in china who is, uh, I had a couple of eight, twenty four backs. There is a guy in china who is converting host blood a back japan around a format twenty six by um seventy two.

So he he will either do twenty six by seventy two or twenty eight by seventy two and he he changes all the gear, he changes account and he puts the mass. So it's it's not an expensive, but at least I let you continue to shoot that format and and get in twenty four to twenty seven exposure on one twenty role. So a lot more economically than IT is to crop out of a praying.

And although it's not an x pan, IT wasn't x pan. I have this thing which is called the horseman 3d which is it's basically an expand body shutter。 Everything about IT from the expand accept IT has a dull thirty economist lenses.

And if you shoot stereo images using the film gate of what is sixty five billion meter, um I show up to you, but I have film in IT right now. So far, this one hasn't developed any problems yet. I have yet to finish a full roll of film minute, but we will see how how well I performance after I get a chance to shoot IT. But I do like how IT has this kinds .

grip enough on this, on the food.

So was that made by, made by food? Do you think on the bottom right, exactly? The T X one was the fuji version. The x pan was the rebranded version um and then I don't know how many of these horseman they made. I think it's weird that is even called horseman because I don't see .

the connection is IT true that if you if you should expand.

then you dream of cameras. no.

I have a have a question um my primary film shooter is a is a five hundred sea um and I have been lasting after that S W C for years. But h as my question is the forty what's the is there how big what's the difference between a forty eight meter? Uh, on the, on the has so LED five hundred in the thirty eight millimetre on the S W C.

about nine forty millimeters, the forty millimeter hosea d lands is is very, very heavy. Thirty eight nine omega on the super wide the the super wide camera with the lens finder and a back ways half what the forty millimeter lands ways for the house of blood camera. So it's basically a difference in size. Angle of view is about the same, about ninety degrees, the distortion and uh uh everything else you can be very optic, it's can be very close, but the big difference will be the size.

And for anybody who who doesn't know what the S C is, its super wide. It's they basically made the lands that were so wide they couldn't find a practical use for another camera. So they built the camera around the lands, which is the exact same thing they did with the holon ultrawise.

This is a fifteen millimeter lands, fifteen millimetre F. A. It's the body of a contracts. So you can see the thickness ss of IT. But the front element is actually inside the camera.

I mean, the rear element, I think is less than two millimeters away from the film plane. And I mean, if you could just in your head imagine that picture and even arrange finder, you would never be able to fit a lens like that, any camera. So when they wanted to use these goofy wide, wide, wide glasses, they had to build something around IT.

So the house of blood S W C lands was me. You can't change IT. There's no view.

Find what? It's a clip on you find her, but it's not a reflex, like a typical house lad would be the body itself once you take the film back off. Fina, the S.

W, C is incredibly narrow. I had one, and I did not get along with a view finder. I found IT just IT didn't work with the way I like shooting camera, so ended up getting rid of IT. But it's super cool to take images that wide on automatic um format.

So I used the the forty years on the five hundred years to see weddings for a while I look and h they were like japanese SE wedding. So this is a very production style. Um I you like six to seven a day. And Carrying that forty year and OK was pretty, pretty brutal. Like I really strong, gorgeous lens in the camera itself was a super poll like that.

Have you all every guy I eyebrow light so uh, did you guys already talk about the early I can folded?

We didn't have as much time to prepare for a really good desire episodes. We've kind of just been winging IT. So we're all over the place. So go for IT.

This is a as I cycle nta, uh it's got A H one hundred and five mile point five lands at six, five, nine and from none and thirty three. I put one roll film through IT. Uh, a long time guy and a discovered that I had symbolize lakes and a lanes that needs a good claim. And since it's just plain a shelf coin but a pretty camera, I probably should get around to fixing anyone else one days or something like IT.

I mean the icon, as are the ones that I I first have of that you had, but I have A A six point, four point five by six netty, one of the small ones. I've never shot the six spinning like you have there, but wonderful cameras. I mean, it's you know it's kind of in the same boat as the tina and that the nova lenders, I think we're all trip lets, but if there was one company that knew how to make a good trip at IT was ice, and you're gonna A A get great image inside of those. And when you talk about what people like, when they shoot film in old cameras, you talk about ah the film like lock of of the images um some maybe some video, some softness around the edges and those triplets doing exceedingly good job of that. So I would suspect that the images are getting Anthony out of that that that are probably have a tonic character yet they probably look very, very good.

What kind of films you primarily put through IT t one through this one?

And was A I A long.

long time. But I like actually like really for a six minon, it's tony. Like you know IT makes my j six seven look like a huge against them. They could easily sticky into a tight pocket for I Carry that .

through to to the super counter as well. I mean, if you ve got the same sort of form fact up, but divided .

full range find functionality, which is which is just an amazing umbly you on that on and that there's such a lot one wind got building at moment, they there's such a unique camera in the way that they just follow up to nothing yet. If you you know top quality lenders and top, yes, and generally six, five, nine, even if a media OK land will actually give you a great result.

what are you don't understand? I use a icon test and super icon as, but I prefer the basis, the five lender, mesa one and mesa two, I don't know why for me, Better length, color, scope.

Mike, you had said that on the container they had the nova, which, which may I to does, but that continue that I have this. This number one is a panta. What what certain to know .

about a painter. And you saw a lot of the or kind of flexes um and they were you what what's the vocal length on that lunch?

It's a forty forty five .

yeah the same one was on the court of flags they they made them was also I have one of those that was a adapted to SONY and it's an excEllent lies. I mean, it's is as good as any year fifteen omeo lines i've found. So uh, I don't I don't know, mike. We know the optical formal. I don't I don't really know, but I can tell you that performance really well.

Yeah like like I said, that's what blooming away I had been shooting um malva fifty and I just happened. Have someone I first took this out and side by side with the with the fifty millimetre shots that I taken with my icon. The detail that this was capturing was I know I ve seen things in the picture.

I didn't even know where outside my front door. I had to go back on, go. Is that really texture in the street signs like that? Yes.

cool. So who who else? Jm, do you have anything or even quiet?

I wasn't me. sorry. I ve just watch my and his son doesn't cry that everybody. I just got back from holiday a little while ago, and I shot more film on that that I have for a while, which is really nice.

I wrote my u ggs six, four, five w which I love, that one of my favorite meaningful, my cameras. And I also brought a food g film. I have this camera called the inside savor, which is like, it's like a little digital camera with a built in insect spirit.

Or yeah. And so I thought brought that with me, and I had like a whole stack of film. And so you take photos at events and you know, when you say people and you can prince yourself, you can give prince out other people, you can replicate them, which is nice.

So it's like it's some photography with that. Where is plate which is coal？ And then I just I mean, I sold my I brought my G F X with people and I said I got was a full fill .

trip replace thing or I swapped for a um for .

something else that was fairly high value. But i'm just I in middle of just an assessment of all of my gear and thinking about what I want to do because I I do have quite a bit of gear and i'd like to potentially downsize and and put sort in to some .

some things that i'm going to use more rather than in as many queens of tom called in and tom had A A camera that he had. I am not sure exactly what the story was. I know he bought IT and he used IT for a job, and he worked quite well, but he never used IT again, so I wanted buying IT from him.

And IT IT isn't gonna here tomorrow, so I can show you, but I can tell you what IT is. Is is a graph X, X, L, S, W, which is a an unusual interchangeable lens camera made by singer, uh, the sowing machine people in the U. S.

Marketed by graph x. This camera was modified by S K. Crime, who is a us? Steve crime is as a guy that back in the nineteen and thirties up at all, he passed away some time, I think around two thousand and ten was known as the photographs of machines.

And what he did was modify, uh, landmass t. cameras. He was just a wizard with making anything work. And so he modified this graph ex L S. dw.

To take a forty five millimetre at four point five April grand gon lands, which is actually a few camera lands with a very wide ancle of you had a tend degree ancle of you has no range fighter if. But IT is focus ble. And IT uses six by nine graph x rollbacks because they also modified IT with a graphics back. So it's gonna but .

so wide yeah .

I or something .

yeah probably .

close to that. But it'll be it'll be an R, A J. back. So it's an eighty exposure, six, five, nine back. Anyway, i'm looking forward to getting that.

That seems like a lot .

of I bought some stuff like I like I M sex and some lands and things like that, remember as well. But who cares about that? The graph lex is a cool part.

Yeah, you can get six any day. That sounds pretty.

But one of these things is is is sir, I just saw my pu bel sixty nine S W um which was my other wide format or six by nine White ankle camera.

Is the six nine the same? Um is that the same size of the six seven cameras that they made?

Or is a YSL ally yeah much yeah it's IT has a much wider lands on IT the sick, the folder, markina clubs. Sixty seven were my favorite cameras for maybe twenty years. I I was actually a deal.

I was one of the few of the deals in the U. S. For that camera, and I want to buy and a bunch up for myself.

And I I just loved this plumbo mocking. And sixty seven was just a great time. So Andrew, what else do you shoot you? You shooting the super White. Do you shoot your household as well?

No, actually surprisingly, I, I, I wish I could join you over the last episode too, with A, I also shoot nico N. F, A. And so I I got that for the matrix metering that that I heard was supposed to be good.

I have a hard time, me know my own, you know I attend to create problems over expose, under expose so something that meters nicely I really like I also have a question to about like um the contacts. I don't really understand the difference between the context and the contracts. The can you mention and one camera that I had a mind was um at my local camera store.

I'm i'm in two thousand years. Zona is um a context three a IT looks really cool. I'm interested in um shooting in a range finder.

So I just still know what people the experiences are with that camera. I'm really, really wanting to get that once I save enough money. So i'm just curiously what people think .

they're great lenses and they're great cameras when they work. They are very, very problematic to find them that their working condition, the the h shares on them were held together with sock straps. They are very hard to find them that are in working order tours or three or three years.

Even the original context, one can be a problem to find of the work. I I just recently had two album that both have worked perfectly until they didn't. And I mean, what I literally died in my hands, IT was was all very sad.

As well as the quality of the optics of lens are just fantastic, really. If you want to try another range fighter, I I would really suggest, start with a canon. Canons are very reliable there, like a thread. Oud lenses, the cannon, L T M lens, ses were also very good, uh, so you can get into at a reasonable cost. The nice thing about the, the, the, the context though, is the lenses are limited in usefulness, but they can be adapted to digital muras cameras for any.

or how would you? How would you make that work?

Sorry for for what? For another camera?

Yeah, when because .

the cannon, the context made, the fifty seven meter lens for a context does not have a focusing. There is no focusing on the lands. It's an internal Bennett.

The other lens is a extra nl Bennetts, like fanta is olding up there. They do have a focusing here, a code on. So if you want to adapt them, you need to get an adapter that has the ability to focus on.

Um and the a lot of a lot of those were made and in this from all soviet cameras that use the context. Mt, they work OK, but they are also not not reliable. Uh, they can come apart very easily.

The feels holding up one there, there was A I I use those with there is a guide on madam si who is a based in florida. Nobody is from south america. And he makes adapters to adapt the contact lines to like a to fuji and to SONY.

There are very, very good, but they're also very, very expensive. But if you're got to do that, what what the way to do that is by on my deals adapter to like a because then you can adapt IT to so near your food gear. Basically, anything else very simply about your amusement are you shouldn't .

with i've brought by I know that we went in to kind of random mode tonight, but I did bring by a context that I got at a local state sale that I had repaired by a friend in ukraine who who works on here. So he he did a really nice job on on getting this go on again. This one has the dubious distinction of having been owned by a guy who became famous for bringing the the plate of uh alzheimer's patients to the for in h in united states.

Have you shot with IT?

Ah I i've got a role of H P five in IT right now. Haven't process anything off of IT yet, but um everything looks clean and no fungus in the lens is and everything seems to be working okay.

So I just bought this to five I tested last weekend with russian feel A B A two hundred and the pictures are beautiful really yeah yeah this is a eighty five f four two that was one .

thirty five russian as well .

is larger yeah this friend .

of mine was selling um he sold uh, key evs and org and feed from ukraine prior to the invasion. And uh we've sce become pretty good friends and I keep up with him, send his children stuff at Christmas and all this kind of need and that he does does repairs on needs of course, when I I told him was getting a context that needs some help, he said, so you can send that to have repared a little I mean, that was post invasion.

Uh, he lives in a town where there is an air base that the russians, uh, took over at one point and then he in his neighbors and the army took IT back. So it's amazing. It's a prety amazing pictures of him in in street clothes uh with with a rifle with his neighbors is is crazy um but but he didn't regnie jb restoring this one. Uh all the key S I have are all, you know, as far as key fs go, they're in great working conditioning.

The right as well. Is there concerned? Yeah, yeah. So A J, what are you shooting with? Even quiet.

Actually, i've been shooting a lot with. I got I still got my first film in my uh icon uh cantina but mike also sent me up a um we were talking a few episodes back about the mike told me about the tourist with the a aniston lens so i've been shooting this. I ve actually got the one film already developed.

I just got a scanner and send IT up to the discord server. And h what else I got? I've got all knew. I have a reflex hsl thirty five m, which I got about a month ago.

The optics are great.

yeah. What actually with that roll flex I got planner, uh, fifty one point eight. This is the five twenty five, two point eight and i've got a one .

thirty five.

yeah yeah. The one thirty five four, the tallest are so I haven't said I haven't actually put a film in there yet, but i'm eager to try that out. Uh and also I i'd mentioned to make uh on this card or maybe was on messenger. Forget this camera. I ve never seen anything like IT. It's the area thirty five v i've been reading up on IT on mix website, but IT is a thirty five minute that has the shutter just behind the lens and the lands the worth three lenses made for this um I believe it's this is a fifty no this is a forty five one nine but look at look at the it's evidently and the shutter right behind the lands element uh and the armies also made one hundred .

millimeter, show the front over again the best .

lands for that they made a one five lands I don't know he said .

that already no are there frame lines? Are the frame lines inside the view finder for the yep so yeah and I believe .

it's for the forty five in the one hundred, you're right.

there is a four point five centimeter and a ten centimeter frame. They did not make a framework for the three point five, but you're just supposed to use the full image of the view finder for IT. O so what's outside of the four point five frame lines? IT, approximately. Tes, what the White engle lands will give you.

And what's freaky about IT is the depth field scale here for the focus. You just you you, you there's a little button new press and you just flip IT from one folk length to the next to match IT up with the lens and then you have the the depth of field, a scale poor that particular lens.

It's minor, but a historical relevance to that camera was is was a pretty good maker of cameras. That lot of the range finders were were very good, but their distribution in the united states was done by calamari and kalama liked rebranding things under their own name. Early on, they would sell things under the original manufacturer name.

But as the years went on, they wanted more and more companies to just make stuff and branded is this calamari, and I didn't want to do that. So this, I believe, was the last model that calamo imported in the united states. And as the areas is only source of selling their cameras in the U.

S. Once that ended, that was the final name, the coffee for the company and they would be out of business like something like two years later. So um it's not a good historical significance. But IT was like the last model that you could buy new in the united states by .

the manufacturer. I I just find that it's it's so interesting. The type of a lens that IT is they .

they made their own. They recalled coral. C R L. O R A L was their brand of lands. They're very good. I mean, for them being a company that pretty much only existed in the fifties, think they went out officially in sixty one.

But for the most part, that's a postwar company that was gone by the very early sixties. They made really nice cameras. I wish that they had done Better and could have continued era fails, holding up what is at the the v three.

two, three c. They made a .

whole bunch of different models that are all very similar, like there aren't significant differences. The three sea was very good. I have one called the rate R.

I. There is a three L. I did make an sr, which was not very good on their range finders for excEllent.

They made A T L R T call the area flax. Some of the areas flexes. Lands can be found with coral Lances. Some had olympia's weeko lenses. And the really valuable ones had nicko Lances areas was a great company. And I I don't know if you said you at A J, but if you shoot that camera, suspect you're onna get great shots from IT.

Oh, I can't wait. Honestly, I can't wait. But right now, i'm having a lot of fun with your with your tourist.

Did you mention that I had to stop about?

Definitely I actually I have a right here very cold. I got my second role in here already.

You know it's funny because I had mentioned um a while back I had said alex, some cameras to borrow and they got stuck in customs and got sent back to me and then I received an email from Stephen strange ways to spend on the show couple times two and he said he had a similar experience importing cameras and to canada and on the customs form, if you put that is a camera, all IT takes us a customs agent to assume that means modern camera with a lithium battery.

And they've rejected IT. So I don't think on years, I I might have said film camera, I can't remember what I put on there, but it's like I don't want to lie on a customs form because that's a sure fire getting a package rejected. But I think that sometimes being too honest, you you shoot yourself in the foot because they they see the word camera on the custom sheet and they assume it's got a battery.

And because I didn't do the waiver for some kind of battery, they end up just rejecting IT. And I I think you've got a very careful when sending things across international borders for that. But i'm glad the tourist made IT you safely.

Oh, I got a question for you. My share you want our listeners is my favorite wine maker, a guiding dan Smith from shaw as a wine recall canes. So if you see, if you see cans, wine try and their great, uh, ask question about A A camera that was on facebook recently. The color S E, does that ring any bells at all to you?

Um there is a cow.

A, S, W, the the s had a cap of view fighter. The few finder is a little, looks like A, A, A, P site for A, T, for A, A. Yes.

yes. It's the a, it's the S, W.

W, S, W. right? Yeah, yeah. OK.

tell him to act minute. what?

Tell him to act minute.

I did A, I did a full review. This camera.

did you review? IT? Oh, okay, I should gone on the first.

Well, it's call the S W, the S. E.

That's the S. W.

Yeah, right. yeah.

You said as either this is .

a fix land's wide angle, it's a twenty eight millimeter lands, which at the time was the right issue could go. It's a full frame camera. It's a very rudimentary camera. But you mentioned probably the most interesting part, which is the capital of you find.

And what that means is a new Hannah coupler, you know, is an early pioneer and telescope design figure out away by using prisms to create a view finder that's incredibly tiny. And it's hard to describe what a kepler of you finder looks like until you see IT. But once you've seen them, you'll know what is what I mean by because you look through the view finder, and only if your eye is very, perfectly centers can you see the whole image.

If you shift your eye to any side, IT immediately goes dark. If I don't understand the physics behind IT, but what they are abled, I mean, i'm holding IT up here and the tip of the view finder is super. I mean, it's it's smaller than A P.

I got a this is a precision crew driver with a one point eight millimeter right tip, and the view finder is barely larger than that, so i'd guessed probably two millimeters in diameter. The whole. So it's incredibly tiny IT allow you to freedom into very compact spaces.

It's it's like a poor prison kinda. And that the real IP is not directly in front of the front of the lights of bounce around and there. And again, you can just wikipedia if you really want to learn the physics of IT.

But a kepler of you finder is incredibly tiny, but very bright. Like when I look through this, it's almost says bright as daylight. Where is most you find is generally lose some kind of brightness to IT, but the IT was IT can make very small.

But the S W was a full frame, uh, fully manual exposure. It's got no means whatsoever, got a shorter speeds from one to five hundred plus bob. It's an f three, two twenty eight millimetre lands takes great pictures, but it's not very common. I want to see the only made for body. Year, year two.

They are expense to cheese. I just look them up there. Yeah, six hundred dollars.

They're very rare and people tend to pay a lot of money for the result. Another camera called the walls wide, which was similar. Olympus made a wide angle version of the flick, a thirty five wide.

I think there is a short phase in the mid sixties where people wanted to come up with these. We can call IT a range finder because there's no range finder is a scale focus but wide angle, but there's so much depth of field, you don't you don't need to focus on this. I mean, tactically.

mike, the capital view finder works exactly a capital telescope in the sense that the optics are reversed. So what the what the actual view finders doing is the image that is sending to your eye is larger than the image entering the view finder.

So if I look if I stick my eye through the front of IT, it's very hard to because it's not meant to do this. But yeah, it's like a magnified. It's like a looking for a tiny telescope.

Almost.

there you go. So yeah, it's a backwards telescope turned into a tiny, if you finder, I should say there from the beginning.

But we didn't you also say a few episodes back there was a camera that wasn't at the, wasn't A D, X, A. Where the optics were in, were reversed.

The whole lands was refers.

The whole lengths .

was a reverse. exactly. yeah. They did a reverse telephoto design shrink IT down. And that's how they are able to make the six element lens on the original X, A. But IT wasn't.

if you find there. No, I know. But I think IT comes from the design of kepler.

Very possible that reverse the office right? A similar principle. But IT works really well. And I actually surprised that IT wasn't employed in more cameras because I mean, I I can't emphasize enough how tiny IT like. In fact, if you see this camera sitting on a shelf, you would not know that if you find IT IT just looks like a bump IT almost looks like it's a button of some kind, but it's actually the front view finder and that the actual glass part of IT is no more than two millimeters. why?

IT actually looks like a metering cell.

Yeah.

he really does. Looks more like a metering cell than IT does.

yes. But there's a no there's no matter there's no range finder is actually increase ly basic camera. In fact, I wouldn't pay that for IT to bounce with you. I'd rather just find a right angle lens and put in on S, L, or something.

right. We took you about .

ask questions .

from the last episode .

and sorry.

I don't. But I think about this morning I thought I would like to the eight in one, f three zero ones and f five o ones. I was wondering if any of you like them or if you had anything to say about the langevin of the reliable that I think I I have a couple.

but I haven't use them very much. We did talk bottom, but we talked about the north american names the end two thousand and the end twenty twenty. So that's the .

except sense for anybody who doesn't .

understand icon um can added this to me to do IT to a lot of companies did IT where they branded their cameras differently depending on which market IT was sold in. And as annoyed as that is there was a good reason for IT which was there was so much black market to call IT gray market importing is people would sometimes find IT cheaper to get a camera from japan imported into the united states, and then salad is new.

But the problem was, is that like if you did that, that night, kind of amErica didn't count that camera is or sales and IT caused problems, paul, you could probably explain IT Better than I could. But IT ultimately caused problems for warrantee work. So icon would refuse to warranty a camera that was purchased in the wrong market for where IT was intended to be sold.

And they gave the cameras unique names like that. So like the f the f three zero one in japan was called the end two thousand in the united states, uh, but otherwise through the exact same camera. That's the same reason why in monotask AK you have the xd eleven and the X D five or the exact same camera, their pro camera, the x one was also called the X K and the X M IT is depended on whether IT was sold in japan, europe, pe of the united states.

But yeah, I didn't know that model.

S no, I mean, there I am. I've repeated, I don't mind. I am.

I I love those cameras. The end, the five o one, the end twenty twenty. Here was, I believe, nikon's first auto focus, S L R. And while IT is swell, IT works pretty good.

And um I like that camera because it's kind of like a blended between nine hs more classic styling in the newer era. Um you asked about longevity. I can't really speak to that, but I I feel safe in saying that there are no Better or worse than any other model from that same era. But if you have one that works, uh, especially the frees zero one, which is just manual focus only, it's it's quite a good camera.

No, there there are very trouble free camera. So the only thing that ever really happened to him was you a battery leakage? Yes, don't they? Batteries and they they were prone to battery leakage that I think the original camera when I came from the factory, took triple a batteries. They also made in a double battery base for which was was Better. So if you can find that double a base, I suggest and want up yeah I think .

my one does have the da base. The great import issue that you mentioned as well, that was still the case in australia until about ten fifty years ago. And the grey imports, a big thing.

parallel imports, a column c grain market. But and there was some validity to if if, for example, you went to japan and you bought a camera while you were in japan and brought us back to the U. S.

And you could prove that you brought IT back to the U. S. After purchasing IT in japan, the nights U.

S. A would repair that warning. But if you bought IT from a deal that brought in outside the Normal channels, that nick would not repair.

And and that also extended the lenses because they do the several numbers and lenses that they actually imported and to the U. S. So create a problems for some of people.

We talked about this briefly on the camera store episode along ago, where in the pre internet but male order era, a lot of the big new york dealers were very guilty of that because they had the buying power to buy a crap load of these models. And but they had the salem's grain market. So they weren't like pulling the wall over people's eyes.

They were being honest. But they would say, like you, this will not be warranted. Ed, a by night kind of america, like they would give you.

they would sell you want.

right, their own warranty, but you would save, you would save money. And that was otherwise good. Camera like IT wasn't like, these aren't refurbish ed or. Chinese knocked off any they were the real deal is just they weren't meant to be sold here. But like that, all that is absolutely correct. If you bought something overseas and you could provide proof purchase in japan, then they would be OK when they just just knew that there is big business for people to circumvent their own distribution system is by just doing IT themselves.

Yeah I recently found my ah I don't know why my a 2e my cat a 2e was gray market because IT IT should have been a different should have been different nomenclature on the front。 But and I don't remember red where I bought IT in high school but like but I found the the gray market warranty card that i've been sold at some sort of exorbitance to cover my warning but I remember getting a break on the camera, seven hundred and eighteen years .

old when I bought IT. Yeah, they I don't think cannon did. IT is consistently as an icon and will to dead.

But there are some cameras like the'd be called the rebel here. But the'd have a different names somewhere else. And I don't i'm not as familiar with with that euro of cameras, but IT wasn't unique to icon.

I called their maximum of dialogues .

react an alpha s.

Yes, the alpha seven.

the maximum seven and the danes seven are all the same camera, just different markets. And they all have that problem. Or if they don't, they're gonna have that problem where the appeal ring breaks.

And if you try to stop down the lens anymore from wide open, you get all is. And if you find her in the camera, ox up asked me how I know that otherwise it's a great camera that's that might even be up. There is one of my all time favorite cameras if they all didn't have that issue.

And as I understand, at the part that stops down the lands is just made of plastic and IT IT. IT gets old, IT gets brittle and IT just cracks. And as soon as that happens, there is a the camera detects a motor male function, and IT just lacks up the camera.

You could IT resets every time you turn IT back on, but the very next time you try to use IT, i'll just happen again. And there's no original parts for IT. The only way you can get a part is from a donor body that that donor body's gna have a part that just as all unlikely to break too. So until somebody can remanufactured r that part through a third prior or something like stronger, that's that era of manoa cameras are gonna more and more or say less than less usable.

You can get gross replacement. I've see i've seen someone replace the certain little cock on a little. Its very its inside the .

camera yeah yeah but inly .

little cold break.

I think that's got to be a recent development though, because some of the ah because it's a tiny peace. So the that you need to use have to be small enough, precise enough but also durable to where they don't break.

This was a metal brass.

This was brass. The new one.

the old one is OK some plastic that just right, right?

The original was like a island plastic of some. okay. So sometimes making metal versions are, I didn't know that I may have to look getting that dunk because I have to. I have an an alf seven and a danae seven, and I do really like that.

That was talking about kronion cameras, crayon repairs earlier. I have a interesting story about a modern film camera. If you are interested here from you crying, this is the uh, joy look instance camera release on a keep data.

Uh, and I I was very successful kick data. I went into production and then the production facility was basically butcher. And you mention what happens? Um vici ally, uh, everything was, uh, last.

They had to escape the country. They were able to go back and retrace some parts like the roles and things like that. Bass the production which had been at was partially to china was um just a disaster and IT was not particularly successful.

Um kick data in that there was a lot of the lives but the people that ran the company uh bar a lot of money and uh preceded to complete the kicker and deliver everything every several years and anywhere. I got one of these original ones and its made out of like reinforced tag board with a single element lands and a shot of its controlled by robby bans and a Bellas and everything. It's pretty cool and IT does take good images.

But when I got that, I just discovered that I I wasn't confluent with the shadow and there were other issues. So I actually built from my second father that asked me what I ve got, several. I built a pinho camera out of IT with an adjustable uh, field of view based on the stance that he pulled out.

And I sent this to the guys as send images over to them. So hi, you have to think about this. And I ended up manufacturing out of good and I put this together and use the money that I got from selling these to finish the original uh, kickstarter obligations to everything. And there they are building a timber version that is actually going to have an auto exposure setting in really quite interesting. It's got a very interesting dial on the back that mechanically tells you the expression based on the sun .

and that sort of thing got planetree ars like a transmission.

Yeah it's a it's a pretty good thing. This is IT followed up um and is time uh sign and this is actually I think think this is the that might an index square version of this one as well.

You said that by moving the balloons forward and backward, you're actually changing the field of you, right? So like why I go .

with me be the focus style of an one. I actually have field of reMarks. So you know like I say one that sort thing yeah .

yeah so and obviously the .

the amount of last hitting the film gets less as you right staying that and that is why you have an adjustment based on the level of extension and the dialogue to determine how long I control. And you know, the shadows, just a simple little, just a simple little sliding yeah .

so it's a it's a.

yes, actually building .

the .

same design effectively with an electronic shatter at the mind, if ever gets finished. We've had all sorts of dramas with helping to shift into you. But what is actually interesting, and we are gonna do at Christmas time, is I never say the half thing in a kid, a kid.

Yeah, tell .

yourself. And I Normally built a like I said, I A Christmas, but aren't this year i'm going .

to build a camera.

which I think is pretty cool ool. And you got me, you got me. I'm i'm looking at the website now.

Is joy is a joy look is is that .

the website? A J A J look com and i'm looking in square .

yeah the guy that um like .

originally started .

up with two partners and then when the invitation happened at everything and I were sort of like in different parts of europe that they uh immigrated to and he they wanted to rebuild the facilities and all that sort of thing and and the goal is committed to the camera his name is gaining the god that ended up being so long out of the company and its a really interesting story. And unlike a lot of kick started s you know even despite all these things happening, they've ve found a way to be able to deliver the product i'll be IT you know company is light um but you know all of the original kick data uh rewards and everything is being delivered. And I think that's pretty um that's pretty good in this is really could just walk away from without a without a drama.

Anthony y, that's mechanical. There's no battery in there to eject the film.

It's all a it's a five and need the click. It's got a little the little pin that pushes out the rear can remember what it's cold. But yeah, the whole thing is mechanical. Everything on IT, the new one unit is made out of timbo. The bellows is like a reinforced cardboard.

Uh obviously pin hall and the only uh plastic and metal components of the development unit which is like a little plastic box ah with the roles at the top I used to be still to degree really into instant cameras and that's how I got into IT all but yeah the the first one was was a really interesting design. But you know, when you when you look at IT, you have to pull the actual bEllies out and IT, it's lose and you use in a little like slot and then you use this. I put the straws more effectively straw win to to hold the top of the to hold the top of the Bella so you you bring a little secret to the what extension you .

want to like a new .

year that with the with the timber is so much bit it's a really noise dizon and much studio ah but yeah, the original one was was a bit of fun. The actual shutter is amazing too, because it's and an elastic band on the original one. So the friends al lings, this little tiny plastic free onal lands is built into the shuttle. And then when you far the shuttle, you got two thousand states of found in the slide and uh yes, so that was the original trial but the new one that the manufacturing now is going to have uh auto exposure but with the same sort of all team by design and yeah single land element aesthetic. It's it's IT fun when we were talking .

earlier about american cameras. Another one I want to recommend if you are in the medium format. Now, IT is six twenty again.

So the usual disclaimer is apply. But I really do like the argo flex, the forty there was, the argus seventy five, which was much more popular. But that's a fixed focus.

I think single shutter speed, this one has a more it's still pretty basic, but it's got a free speech for speech shutter so you can select between four different shutter speeds. Um IT has a coded at four five trip let lens. Uh it's still not a true T L R.

It's like the the calm suda T L R or a brilliant view finder. It's I call them a twin land's box camera. I mean, it's a way so we will find a bit you get a very large and bright image, but it's not couple to the focus of the land.

So you still have to rely on up the field. But I shot this camera twice and I got really great images from IT. I mean, i'd say comparable like a role cord. I would say, you know a good trip, T T L R. But um if you're looking for a cheap american cameras, check out the .

other .

flight. But August was drinking in the code. That code, I think if I remember correctly. And IT has been well, sce, I have shot this. I believe you can fit a one twenty on the supply and but you do need six twenty on the takeup side. Um it's still is tight though, but IT does work if you just for whatever reason, a really adamant about not resolving but I would definitely recommend resulting um if you .

wanted to shoot this camera and you .

could find them. I mean, A J, how how much is an article flex forty N V right now?

U S is fifteen box.

Yeah, fifteen dollars.

I have seventy five. I think I don't know, I have I should check.

It's really the same camera, just the seventy five as a fix. Focus is is simple. This when this has a Better land, a range of four different shutter speeds, and you can focus the lens to different distances. So just little more capable of a camera.

You know what people are using .

those is you find .

photography through dial focus on the view finder.

Yeah, I mean, it's bright. I mean, I I don't I wouldn't do that myself, but I guess I could see. I mean.

I remember when I was being a while, people doing that all had a question for you are earlier you were talking about the can and range finders as a good intro to range finder photography. And um you know on that like I I don't have the P E and that stuff, but as far as a model, what would you recommend?

Forest tools are good. The l is good. The people .

have forest tools like the early .

ride is like a barnet .

like I do have one of which I never used IT to great condition yeah and lots .

of the only problem with me is sometimes that shares dry out on him. But and and also, if you get one of the models that has the metal shatter, the odds are the metal shelters going to have a temple and or a little mark. Don't worry about IT, they all do.

But the forest two is a good choice. Uh, OK, they are all all very reliable. Thank you. Well, one last thing I show, and because A J, A, this is the first time I met A J, or how about horseman cameras?

Oh yeah, I get .

fire this puppy up. For some reason, we had two of these things, and I got one, and mike got one. For some reason, the back I have on this one only melts with this line level of the bottom, which is not right.

The other one melts either direction. So while while we were talking, I just found one and uh a used photo pro for one hundred one dollars and ninety five sets. So I just H I bought IT and it's .

the same one .

that the Anthony y has that I know works with the wine level of the top. So uh, glad to give a little business .

is is nine?

Yeah, nine. It's a it's it's a cool camera because the camera itself is about the same size as a paper back book. Yeah, paper back, paper back.

But but the reason what's funny, but as I call IT a convertible, because their plan was to make different, different lenses for they never got very far with IT. So this is only one. They remain for IT sixty two millimeter at five point six lands.

Uh, so it's a White angle about the same thing as a twenty eight millimeter lands on thirty five. But you have on the lens itself you have two uh levers. One lever rocks a shatter second number. Should the camera .

sector o five hours like that? Yeah.

it's a, it's just a it's a very simple camera.

If you guys look in the zoom chat, I posted a picture, well, paul was talking. I just took my cell phone, pointed IT through the view finder of that argument, and then just cropped IT really quickly. No editing. So I mean, that's a cell for quality.

Em, oh yeah.

that's great thing that you could probably do Better with a proper digital camera. But ah I mean, if you notice how little of the ending there is and that's a cell phone picture through the view, find you find flex forty. So I I guess that's another way you sold cameras. You know whenever keep as long as they stay out of the landfill, that's that's trying .

with me at the name I there guys do in a project right now. I think for the polar rides though, like two tens and one twenty with the beloved and it's an address on the back that you slide your cell phone into yeah over the cell phone is what's capturing the image. And if you get the name of the project of a fAllen er but IT is really a cool idea of just keeping the old things alive you know with with a different capture mechanism.

Well that's what that I am back that's what that does is how IT works. Or at least the original one was maybe they changed IT, but they put a digital camera sensor on the bottom and IT points up the back in its a eighty degree mere so it's facing forward and there's a piece of ground glass in the film plane of your thirty five millimeter cameras so the i'm back they make IT and i'm doing air quotes here they make IT sound like you're turning a film camera and do a digital camera. But really what you're doing is they just invented really tiny, crappy digital camera that takes a picture of the ground glass.

What they don't tell you is, is crop and you have to mount like a motor down. So it's really big, heavy and not good quality.

Well, in in fernando, you have you speak english very well, but your accent, you said crop, but IT sounded like crap in both of those. Both of those .

many is accurate way that .

was accurate either way whether you said crop craft vote through and i'm not you know I liked my opinion on that as i'm not to anyone. It's gonna do do on someone's desire to use a camera, how they choose like i'm not a pious. I don't get mad when people paint their cameras pain ker do goofy things to them.

I don't get mad when people, you know modify their camp. I don't like seeing cameras turn the lamps. Aside from that, as long as you're still using the camera at least close to how was intended, that's fine. I just the i'm back I strongly disagree with how they presented that thing like what IT really was. And when you finally learn how IT works and see the results of IT.

it's it's really terrible. They acted like he was digital film that you slap becomes .

digital because there were quite a few people in the nineties, early two thousands, that kept trying. This idea of IT looked like a thirty five millimeter cassette, a very thin digital sensor that you would just put in the film compartment. But even if you succeed for one, you're gonna get a full frame sensor.

It's a it's going to have like a five one CoOperate show. But in addition to that, if the whole point of shooting a vintage camera is to have the vintage camera experience, it's not couple of the shutter release winding lish like none of that does anything. You know, you essentially have to have the camera and bob mode and have the shutter just open the whole time where the digital sensor can then take its picture.

I believe some of them coupled to the hot shoe. So IT would use like the flash trigger to trigger the digital cameras. So there was some level of integration, but the idea sounds cool.

I would love IT if I could just randomly take a camera off this wall and immediately use IT like as if IT was meant to be and just get a digital image out of IT. But the feasibility and practicality, the functionality of its just it's not good. And I think that's why after all this time, nobody has truly come up with a good and affordable and practical way to to do that.

I've seen A A guy on instagram and he is a block as well, is doing great talk with the movie cameras, super eight, eight millimeter, sixteen, putting a rose very by unit, and having the actual shutter control, the shuttle of the camera control. The recording apparently uses a basic program that meant for wild wildlife cameras. You, you hide their motion activated so IT sense the motion of the shutter and IT starts recording. I will send the link in the in the discord is very interesting.

can say that thanks to reason because the you know that so much smaller center area for eight meal or sixteen mile and you got that cavity for the electronics that that that cash used to take. I mean, that seems a much Better use case than and law cameras thirty two, thirty five year.

Yeah, it's a nice way to save those cameras from the .

landslide as well because those .

are incredibly expensive to get film for and develop and scan. And yeah.

I finally sold all my super aid stuff that just, I couldn't couple justify the cost.

Now I know what we are doing with that pixel.

Honestly, if there's one thing at this time giving me guess is that that m so need, but like this APP shot that I can't use them, you know I mean, even if you found on that work and found a asset type, getting IT hooked up to a modern digital T V would probably be very difficult. Um only to get sub moon landing quality images images. I think there's a mod.

the only ideas that has like an output on IT and there's another dude that um I forget his name to um he's adapting the old like V H S super ate high ates all those video cameras. You can use the D V R recorders in them and you modify its the D V R records go and drones, so really cheap and they take like A S D card and he's modifying those cameras. And you can put them in there in records into the digital, directly on on the R, C outputs.

yeah. So I want the pixel now put them go into a, into the D V R. tape. But I think they can best way to go.

I think IT is yeah, because once you do that, it's just a digital camera inside the body of something else, right? I could take my na and stick a tiny little cell phone camera and there and say, it's a digital camera, but all I ve really done is a digital camera inside of another camera. So I like the original way, the crappy, no image.

Anthony y has gotten me going full manual though because I was looking at that kid and seeing the mechanical uh index and going men. I could probably cut that out and and modify IT for the hassle blood IT turns out that jolly look actually sells just the the index uh square and mini development units themselves as is just a little crank, right? And so even if for forty nine bucks so I already made a purchase like like .

A J actually it's thanks to all that I got my um arsan going with the rollback for the six, nine nine and is thanks to mike that he actually gave kind from appear in the north kicking the but to start rerolling one twenty to six twenty so I can get working on that and I love in six .

by nine how long as you take you to do one A J .

one role to rule takes me about about fifty minutes.

fifty minutes, fifteen minutes. You doing .

five roles. I is my first time I reroll them OK OK.

I, but I did .

five rules straight. I at one point we had some expired film. Someone point at home, at at the shop, the can mere and one hundred. And oh, I didn't mention this, but I love on the back of the tourists, the so called light meter.

Yeah, was calculated culatra .

a calculator. Yeah, it's it's fantastic.

It's fantastic. They made in eight twenty eight back for that camera where you could put banton film in IT, if you oh really so incline. I don't know .

why you would do that.

but you could, once you get used to A A J, I can go on my bathroom. And here in a basement, I have a bathroom with no lights. I disclosed the, or turn off the lights pitch black. I can roll from start to finish, one to one hundred to six, twenty four, one and ninety seconds. really.

Yeah, if all you're doing is your literally just hand rolling IT from one to another and then back against you have do IT twice after two times each time because when you're all the first time, you're not at the end of the role, you have to all at a second time of the back answer to start. But just how long is to take you to wind up? How long is a super went twenty.

It's like three feet long. What I got stuck on was at a couple of the roles know, but the corner when I roll IT back onto the six, I wouldn't get the film the width of IT completely over the role. So we king, yeah. So we think you .

just got to maintain pressure with your fingers. So what I do is I actually use my thumb, and I put tension on the inner bore. The six want to create like a resistance, and that roles IT tighter.

But you're right, if you do IT loosely, if they call that a fat role, where the film isn't rolled on the school, tied enough, and IT starts its diameter, e increases, and IT goes beyond its just practice on telling a do IT a few more times. Now don't get me wrong, like my hands will cramp up if I tried to do five back to back, yeah, yeah, yeah. My hands are probably crap up. But if I got to do one or two at a time, I, I get them done in ninety second.

That's what happened to me. After the third one, I kind of pushed to the fourth and fifth yeah, just to get them done, I we had a .

great turnout today. You know, again, I do apologize we weren't as prepared for size cycle as I had wanted to. As you guys can see, Anthony, you know, limited today feels not here at all than his brief of parents.

Um I had some stuff come up to we do have an idea for our next episode. We paul, I don't think we've completely handed out the details yet. So I don't want to say what we're trying to do right still.

So we have something fun that we hope the people to do for episode ty two. And then after that, we're starting get really close to the holiday season. So I don't know what our schedules gonna like past that, but I promise you we will get to a more really organized icon episode, even though we did discuss a lot of the models here too. Maybe will go in chronological order or some among those science, because certainly we only scratched the surface here on this episode.

I've literally put my schedule around your schedule, so I try to keep all the monday night. Where are you guys are gonna do a recording please. So I have no classes.

Uh, I would suggest to plan A A european friends.

We want to .

get alex argus on. There's a other people that want to come on. I'm always trying to get Stephen darling to come on, but the man's perpetual busy, so many people over there that i'd love to get on the show.

I'd love to get oleg calavia come on. There's so many people, other areas, the world that I want to get on. It's just the logistics and timing of IT can be difficult. But fernanda, we will definitely do another euro friendly. I don't want to call the european and episode because it's more than just that, but I just call the euro and times .

home friendly. I met lucky in in product.

Yes, ti is guys. He's the person that I have to blame. Forget in the oyama .

because he talked about maya.

ta, we talking about miami, ta, and check republic. And he talked about this, and I had to go get one stupid gas. Anyway.

I wanted to dove tale, and we were talking about context and we were context and we were talking about adapters. Of course, the g one serious, they make, uh, tech art makes a an adapter for SONY that has a screw drive on IT. And I want them to make that for the z, the icon z, like if they could make a screw drive that will drive the g lands on SONY, why can't they make an adapter that uses nichd lenses on the icon? Mirrors, cameras?

Look at, look at, keep on. Look, look at, keep on to see what they have for context. G lenses, they made one that might have taken to like, what about meta?

Es, sorry. Yeah, metal bones. Or keep on either those two. Uh, I think somebody does make one.

Yeah, so you can make g and no, so i'm getting IT confuse. So this is a context. G lands, that auto focus strew drive, yes. And this is a context. G apt for .

sone with .

a strew drive.

Well, what what kip on I made was one that had a little thun. Wheel is a thun. We all did the focus.

but you want to retain out of focus performance, right?

You want to retain, did you? I don't.

If you knew this, you can mount SONY e two, nike and z they make an adapter. The icon z has such a narrow french distance. You can actually adapt SONY lenses to night. So if there if what i'm trying to say, if you have a nikon z and there's a lenz y to use like an alpa or something, and you can find an adapter nikon z, you can get a SONY e adapter, then get another SONY e to nikon z adapter and they will work fine and no focus infinity about, obviously there's no auto focus. So what you're looking for, A Y you yeah, I know .

sive collection of the A F D icon. A F D lenses, you know, I can't use on a icon, may less body.

I will tell you this in this lasting, i'll say I have a Young, new old can in eos to SONY e auto focus adapter. I have the icon z or icon f to icon z auto focus. And after the one icon actually made F Z ah, I have the F T Z two, the second one, and then I have icon made the icon one, the first attempt at a digital meal system.

I have an auto focus f to icon one, which is crazy corporate show. But IT does retain out of focus. And in all three of those examples where you're adapting and retaining auto focus, IT does work, but the performance is garbage is super slow.

So like what what ends up happening is even when i'm using A A genuine night, A, F, F, mt. Lands on my icon. Z, I point at something IT goes too far, too close, too far too close, too far, too close.

And then IT eventually, like, finds the sweet spot and IT settles in. But IT is slow. So all I could tell you, rafael, is even if you do find what you're looking for, there's a very high probability won't be happy .

with the performance, but just you're .

going to save a lot of money. You will be able to manually see IT turn on focus peaking. Just the can does a great job with I focus speaking.

Another great tip is up front. There's a multi I function button that you could program me to be whatever you want. You could map the digital zoom to that too, so you could have focus peaking on.

And then you press the front button. And IT enables the digital zoom. And if you find her so you're even getting a magnified focus peaking for super precision. That's that's how I do .

mine that's briled. That's a .

brilliant is there a reason why the adapters like I I just bought an adapter from contact g to fug film to fug x um and .

he .

was like the fifty thousand of variety. Is the fact that I found that that thing didn't work? Is that the reason why the the other adapters are one hundred dollars or more?

Is because those work I got those. And remember, work is in.

yes. Yeah yes. And technically.

the cheaper adapters are usually manual focus. The higher end like i'm looking right now at meta bones, I ve got a contact g lens to G X T adapter. And it's looking you're looking at one hundred and thirty dollars U. S. That once most likely the electronic version .

so IT actually was in dota focuses that the idea.

yes, but and that's the hard part, is even when they do IT and even when IT works, the auto focus performance is so yeah .

i'd i'd rather be manual focus anyway. I bought the photo dioxins one, but the lens didn't want amount properly. I don't know where. I just a bomb one but I didn't want to a mount properly and then I didn't want to focus properly either when I did finally get IT .

mounted yeah um Charles, that happened to one of my buddies ah with that particular company or manufacturer .

with fujit up as have always used the k concept ones for M A work really, really well .

and and .

f concept OK oh yeah K N F concept .

yeah right guys we're .

gona wrap this one up.

Um thank you guys for coming great discussion. This truly was a random i'm glad I made the promo be a little bunch of fashion Marks because I think that that summed up this one pretty nicely. So we will see you guys in two weeks but actually, no, I don't know what we're going to do for the next one.

So we're gona aim for two weeks. I don't know we're going to hit IT, but that pushes us to really close to U. S. thanksgiving. And then Christmas is coming.

So we will definitely have at least one or two more episodes before the end of the year, but our our schedule start to get more, more monkey. So I can't predict when the next one will be. But um as always, the topics and discussions on the camera city pod caster influences by you this episode is is a great example that thank you guys for coming .

and we will see you next time guys.

I've got a problem. I must admit I have gas that is gear acquisition synch. I I can't stop buying.

I don't know so .

and I just can't help myself. I just feel so well if I just feel like I need the podcast, doesn't help during .

the and .

the doing reviews. And I tell you about the light, sweet bang agitating. So my story started in two thousand and eight. And when I got the photography bag, and that was six years ago, I was forty eight years old. And 嗯。