Jenn Tran: You're Not Crazy...He's an Ass
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What is your daddy game? IT is your founding father, alex Cooper, with call her. Jan, and welcome to color dad.

Thank you so much. Things are having.

I'm so that you're here. We have to give the daddy gain context of what we have been doing. So i'm upstairs and prepping for the interview.

I hear that genus here. I walked down the stairs and I hear like, where's the tequila? Where is the tequila? And like, no, in a great way. And like, because I never know what the vives are going to be from people and i'm like, jane, what's going on and you're like, let's take shot like, I love IT what why did you want to kill? You know, I knew this was going .

to be a fun time and you where we're going to like, shoe the shape and just have fun and like, what's the point of doing IT without .

a little bit kila? No, i'm so happy that I also, to give context, this is why my job is the best. Like IT is one o'clock on a friday and usually on a friday.

I like you. Maybe you can start drinking at like four o'clock with gents. Like IT is one o'clock.

We are drinking to kill. We have our drinks. We have ourselves.

congratulation. Thank you. You are about to be the seasons bachelor red.

congratulation. Thank you. You are about to be this season's bachelor at the show is about to come out. How are you feeling?

I'm honestly, really excited for everyone to just see IT like I feel like this whole chapter in my life like happened and I haven't seen anything about IT. yeah. So it's like did IT really happen or not? But like obviously, I did. I'm really excited for everyone to see IT, and I think there's a lot of opinions on the season. So I just I know how amazing it's going to be, and I know like what a dream IT was for me, and i'm so excited.

Well, speaking of opinions, what are you talking about? Like from your perspective, what are you talking about? Like there's a lot of opinions on the season.

no. I mean, there is no like running around IT like I came back from filming and there was a lot of people are wanting somebody else or wishing that I was american. So there's there's a lot of racism around IT to and and there's just a lot of people who want to have input on IT and wish that there was somebody else and went not.

So I think that you just can't win. You know, people like she's too boring or she's too crazy. He wants to take shots.

It's like, god forbid, I want to take a shot. I don't know that once you get engage, you can take a shot or what's you get my love, you take a shot. So I mean, it's it's crazy. How many people have an opinion?

okay. Can we talk about that for minute? Because I I agree, I feel like people have always like there is no secret that like if you look at the lineup of the bachelor and the bachelor at like IT is a lot of White people that have like historically bad like the leads.

And i'm so lucky, happy american. Yes, yes, for african americans. And I think that you being the first asian american is so fucking incredible. But also it's like why why is that the focus of people's negativity? Like how did you feel when you're seeing those comments in .

IT weird way IT makes me feel validated that there needs to be changed, right? Because I live my whole life having, you know, some people telling me racism doesn't exist like asians don't have to deal with IT like you're the Better minority. Nobody cares. And to have these things about me set online, particularly about my race like IT, just validate the fact that there is so much hate people's hearts still, and it's still such a prevalent thing in this day that i'm happy to take on the brunt of IT IT means i'm making a change for people that are going to come after me.

You know, first of all, I thank you for saying that because I think like it's not your job to like be a spokesperson for a up now that you're in this position like I can imagine so many Young girls or like let's fucking go to representation. I also feel like I said to you before we started, unlike you came in here, and your energy in your vibe is like, I feel like we could be friend and you smell amazing. I just had to say that I was sorry.

This whole studio, everyone is not in. They're ad. This whole studio smells amazing. You smell so good.

It's Caroline where I it's funny. I in my hotel and like, I need to have a perfume and my producer was like, you're literally going to poke as no one is going to smell you through the I was like, I don't care. I need a good at all time.

It's affecting me. And i'm like you. This is fabulous. I A little to kill a little Caroline.

her, a perfect producing you.

It's perfect. It's perfect. I'm getting in the vives, getting in the mood. I need to know where you were and how you felt when you got the call of the battle. Like take me to that moment.

Yeah, I was crazy. I I mean, like things have been in the works for like months at that point and I just like didn't know what was going to happen and you know the clock was ticking down. So is like maybe it's just not mean, maybe just not happening, but like we've had meetings about IT and inner views about IT.

So IT was in the back of my head and I was getting back from the gym. I was in my car and I just get like this tax from like one of like the producer as being, like, do you want to hop on a cover quick? And I like, like, like this fee and I kind of knew.

But I also like really nervous because I felt like, you know, my whole life was gna change um but obviously was also like did I really want IT like I had been thinking about IT for months and months and it's a big change you know it's like i'm a very private person so it's like do I really want my whole life to be on blast like this and I knew that I was gona have to take a lot of heat um for many different reasons and so I was like, yes, I want to find love. What is just the capacity that I want to do IT in and so IT took a while for me. I think about IT about I mean, I hoped on the call immediate. I was like, obviously, yes, i'm going to do IT right.

right? It's just so crazy because you're right. And I think that's what people forget is like we've now watched the bacheller for so many seasons.

We've love the bacheller franchise. But like this does completely change your life. And like before all of this your a physicians assist in. I watching your student, I watching your tiktok.

You like going into surgery, like getting them present and like, this is a big shift from you being in, like scrubs and like doing your thing during the day to then like now the whole world is about to watch you hopefully fall in love. I had maria on, and he was really open about like they had offered me the role. IT wasn't right for me. Like can you tell me from your experience like seeing all the conversation around like maria or Daisy, like how how did how did you like feel about everything? Yes.

so obviously didn't have my phone at the time. All of this was a going down because we had went written to filming um after IT was all nounce ed in coming back to all of that yeah obviously I was really disappointed to see all that because I mean, the truth of the matter is like there's a lot of narratives out there and they're not necessarily the truth.

Now the show has been going on for years and years, twenty one years of this show specifically. And every season, there are multiple people in contention for the role, multiple people being interviewed or doing meetings about IT, all doing fittings or filming enter packages. It's never really you and told you um testing so that's why I was a little disapointment because you the narratives out there aren't exactly truth and I think that um when you look at at all, like the show has been going on for so long and um you look based on the history at all, like there's always multiple people so it's not you told you.

oh god OK. I didn't even think about that you before all of these things were happening you are in the middle ilm ing yeah we so like when that called episode came out, you didn't even know .

that murray came on the show. I know I hadn't seen back.

Yeah, oh my god. Okay, do you had IT wasn't like a last minute thing.

People are asking you, no, no, no, no. I had. We had meanings about that. We talked about IT for a months, and then they asked me, I had the choice and I chose to do IT. I said yes.

And the thing with like, the narrative that out right now is like I was disappointing to come back from this incredible journey for myself and then to see all the speculation around IT to almost have these things kind of take away from what my journey was. You know, i'm kind of at a point my life was like, i'm not gonna let anyone take clean to that. Not going to let anyone like that, like I don't know, like I have some sort of role in that because my entire life, you know, the way grew up was kind of crazy.

And then i've always like thought about others first. And I went to health care because I care about other people so much and it's been a IT took a while for me to really find my voice and certain things. And this is something that like, i'm so proud to be able to say like this is my time and this is my jury and that's what I want you to be focused on because i'm able to have a voice down, to talk about IT and to be able to stand my ground on IT is that this is my journey. I'm so happy about IT and am so happy for everyone to like .

finally see that. I appreciate you sharing this because I can imagine from your perspective, when you come out, yeah, I think a lot of people were like, oh like genes runner up and genes are doing this. And like now hearing from you like we know like all of us were in talks and all of us were making these decisions and everyone was kind of up for IT. I'm sure there was like three to four people that were in conversation. Have you talk to the other women?

Like, yeah, yeah. I mean, thing. good. know. That's the thing about being in this world and being made and being and having like, you know, just like just knowing what world you're in and in being a person and being matched about IT all is that like rolf ine? yeah. And it's all good.

And okay. Let's time about your life before reality. T, V.

where did you grow up a group in in jersey?

A girl.

I was girl.

but I went to school in jersey for high school. Oh, really, really like printing area. okay. So jersey?

Yes, north jersey. And then I went to squat pitzer g for like a year and how then I transfer wisconsin, I know. And then after response, i'd moved to boston for a couple years.

And that's kind of wear my family, like resides right now. Were you like in high school? In high school, honestly, was really shy.

okay. I was really still kind of coming into my own. And like, I played sport to put baseball, I put crossly that's kind of wear. I was like more out going, really more like found myself like having like a group of friends kind of thing. But still like I was really, really shy.

And I don't really think I fully understand that I was yet um and I an even like a middle school like I was like the most awkward could ever I had such an awkward fees I was like the chavez could ever. And like, I remember I had a crush on this guy, and I remember I was like, stocking him. I like, IT was like, after school and I was waiting for him to, like, come down this year.

So good as I know what classes hacks, so crazy, whatever. And I I saw coming down and his friends were making fun of me for liking him. They were like, oh my gosh.

Like, gene train has a crush. You like, how funny. You like, that's crazy. And like, that was my middle school life essentially.

Yeah, I related that. And I every time I meet people that I like now the schoo was a breeze. I like middle of breeze.

Fuck how you mean like .

we feel like now i'm like, so grateful yeah not feeling that way. But back in the day, it's like when you struggle with that, it's like IT can like affect you obviously socially.

What the thing is, IT builds character. Like i'm so happy that I had an award phase that I was like a little weird or lake whatever IT was because and IT makes you more grateful for, like, who you are now. And i'm grateful for, like figuring .

myself out so much more. Now I agree. Did making friends come easy .

to you in high school? Yes and no. Like, because I played club sports.

Like IT was easy to like, be friends with them and kind of so, but I think like internally, like I was having such a, like who am I? Like how do I be cool? Like how do I just like like have everyone loved me a kind of thing.

And I wasn't really falling until like who I am and at the time, like I was really still struggling with like figuring out my identity in terms of like like my viennese culture and like the american culture, because both my parents are immigrants and they are both like very, very vitamins to the course. So I grew up with a lot of these values, and there weren't a lot of people like me in my town. So I think IT was a bit harder for me to like, related to people because I was going through so much at such a Young age. So I was a lot of that.

I'm curious, like did ever having, like you are saying, like you kite to have this, like pushing, pull like, oh god sh like I want to to lean into my culture but then also the kids around you are not like that. I did you ever make you pull away more for from your .

family or lead more into your family? Was as IT was just I wanted to be like everybody else, very like when you're at that age and you're growing up and you just want to fit and you want to be like everybody else. But IT wasn't really until college where I got really exposed a lot more diversity um and I also got tired of kind of like hiding home. They called is like that new like sensitive, like you you get a chance, like you right yourself almost. So I was able to really do that in college and like, embrace everything that makes me, me and really embraced like my viennese culture as well as like me growing up america.

You is hard though, when you're in those moments, like, have perspective exactly how are you with boys? Like high school, college.

like what was the night jam? You know, I had a lot of issues, like because I had an auction phy in middle school and the high school, like I kind of started was still occurred, like a growing to own A A little bit. And then towards the end of high school, i'd say I really wanted to explore. And then I got into college, and I really, really wanted to explore a smiling, I was a little boy crazy, and I ended up in a lot of bad situations that maybe should have been in.

Tell me everything, I look how you like. I wanted to explore like so like a Graceful way of saying, like I had my face. I went for IT OK. What do you mean you went down house? Maybe you should.

Now I just, I think I really use my body for a lot of whatever you know and I think that I wasn't really fully respecting myself in those times. And one point like I just didn't know how relationships worked right. Like I my parents were reverse and I never really had a good room on of love.

So are going into college with that perspective. I didn't really help and I was entering relationships that like we're really bad for me like one time I was so to lose on if that I was, you know seeing this guy who essentially had a girlfriend, but I didn't know he had a girlfriend until I did know. But then he kept calling me, you know, I like, were broken bit on a deal.

He was living with the grow the time, and he drove me freaking insane. He drove me freking. He would make dates up with me. He be like, yeah, meet me at this place at nine P M and then he d go home to his girlfriend, block my number so that every message I sent him afterwards we turn Green and little name jen was like, maybe he's going through a tunnel for like hours and hours and doesn't have service tone I know that guy .

was in seine .

and then my college of me had to deal with this like, I would not going na do like, oh my god, just like he's not answering me. What do I do? Like, he's in a tunnel again.

tunnel A K he's like inside his girlfriend tonight and .

the tunnel is his girlfriend. Then IT was crazy. Is so relatives.

like I have an episode that easy? They are coming out or will have come out. And i'm talking about like when you are in the early stages of dating and you were insecure, you are Younger, which I was, you can kind of find yourself almost not even like evaluating your boundaries, like you don't have boundaries are so happy someone is giving me attention and it's so intoxicating and IT can be so like overwhelming that you don't have time that now you look back and you like, why did someone like, literally like slap me across had to be like, wake up.

he's not in a .

tunnel bitch. A girl end oh, right. I know, I know you .

love like, it's crazy. The things that I delusions believe in back at the time.

And I appreciate you because obviously, like my main demography as women, I appreciate you saying like I didn't like fully respect my body at the time. I think that's like sadly, a very related able thing because I think we still live in a man's world. And if you're like going for these relationships, you want men to like you and you want them to see you and you want to like you want the attention in the validation. And you can't give IT to yourself yet because like you being used so far, you've just gotten like no success or you're like feeling bad about yourself. So when you guys to give you attention, you're like me ah yeah .

and then if they .

started to act out, you're like that the .

matter and then you look, what more can I do that I keep this attention. Go and you drive yourself insane.

OK you, how long did that last channel? Boy can go long? Tane boy.

probably like four, six months.

We are using four years.

No god, no god, no six months. But see. And then, but at the time, I there was a turning point in that when I realize h he's like insane, like he was actually like a social path and would like right to me, like crazy.

Like would never like own up to IT. And then there was a turning point, where was okay? Wait, now i'm going to play the game. Like if she's going to let to me and do all this like i'm going to do that so then I started using him for like dinner and drinks and all the stuff and then he be like, oh, can I come back to your partner because I can never go to hit right and I like, sorry, like I got class early and only like I got ta go, but things for dinner like you know .

and says you because like I i'd ever go to his .

because he is a girl right oh my god but you .

know it's crazy is like that seems to be the most beautiful turn of events when you are just like under someone's the and you're just getting played and played and play and then I don't know what IT is the sun rises a little different that morning. You're like your phone looks little different. Everything was little different and you're like, oh, my .

poker.

it's over I now because it's like the repetitiveness of the cycle of them treating you and should just one day you're like, what if I just what I just till IT IT a little bit this way and i'll live a something you're now like in a little bit .

more a position of power? yes. And the name really .

lose her shick SHE knows what going on.

That's not the girl that I wanted. Okay.

so you have like you went through IT in college.

Oh, for sure, I just had so many crazy relationships. And then even after college, I think I was still finding myself and I was growing more confidence to who I am, but not grown confident and like what I wanted in a relationship and knowing what I wanted in that.

What kind of guys are you going for call to?

I mean, at the time, the guy that had a girlfriend was like somebody that I worked with in the restaurant. He was like, kind of my boss. So like, I I have I have like a power X A bus yeah like IT was .

wear but .

he was in that much older.

He was like a year tool. So after he's like ignoring you in the tunnel.

we go to work together the next day and he'd asked like everything was fine he like, all baby, i'm so sorry. Like let me take you out tonight like I was backed crazy I was like, I believe him because we worked together was he cannot be this crazy of light to me and then go to work like.

we also that like to make such a weird dynamic too because you also to like somewhat respect your boss. So naturally you're like even if you wanted to be mad him, you're taking orders from which then becomes .

kind of hot again. That's the hot part of IT. Now you're getting IT really.

you really like your boss. My god, let me think that that I was tempted. My god, okay. Jn, this is like, great. That's really.

But but that there is close. But yes, I had to learn a little bit and I was crazy. But no, and I hope you .

know I love these stories too because I obviously know what we're about to watch on the bachelor is like i'm hoping I know you're not wearing a ring, but were. Hope being you're engaged, if that was what was meant to be. But I just was talking about a situation I had in college where I had this guy that kept IT moving.

And like every every day, I was a different thing. And I was just trying to hold on for your life. And I married and I talk about IT though, because when you look back at those things, you have such a different perspectives and IT almost is like you feel, yes, somewhat bad for yourself, but not anymore.

Once you've been that far away, you're like, wow IT just makes you empathetic towards other women that get themselves in that position where you know how easy you can be to fall into that when you're not in a good place with yourself. exactly. And that I think is like there's no judgement like i'm sure there's so many girls listening right now there at that babes. We've done there to been .

there there we've been there and the trenches. The only person I can put yourself out of IT as you yes, and you just got to like work through IT and work through your insecurities and and find yourself respect and yeah, I mean, I had so many friends trying to pull me out of IT and I just didn't list. I just was like, what would you mean? Like, he likes me.

They're like, he is a girl for you. Like yeah he but he likes me. Okay.

you I know you mentioned on your season of the bacheller and you've mentioned today and i'm not ignoring you, I just I wanted to get to that place of like lightly talk about dating but like yeah your parents dynamic and obviously like we all are the way that we are because of like whatever happened in our home and we were Younger. If you had to describe like your view of like love and marriage from your upbringing, like how would you describe IT?

I would say like what I saw between my parents like wasn't a true partnership. So what I kind of learned from that over the years is that merge is a partnership and it's not one person doing everything, is not one person calling the shots. It's not one person like coming to the other's power. It's really like a true partnership and you know that's really what I want is to have a partner at all and to have somebody really beyond same pages me and want the same things as mean um in that the only way like something thing is really onna work right like love is in IT. Yes, but the partnership part of that has to be there too.

Do you mind giving a little context of like what happened when you were Younger with your parents then? Yeah yeah.

So I think, you know my parents just started fighting and a really Young age um and my mom was a type like I think you are group and kind of like a different culture in vietnam like the woman like they cut the clean, they do everything you know for their husbands and I saw a lot of that growing up and so IT just IT wasn't healthy for them and then they started fighting. But my mom would still do everything for my dad.

And then you know my dad wasn't really a part of my life all that much when I was growing up. At least I have a brother who's nine years older, so he kind of has a different perspective on the whole thing because he's older than I am and he spent more years with my dad. But when I came into the picture, my job was really like living in the basement for most of my life and not really involved in like my school sports or like my schooling, like just like my other activities or anything.

So I didn't have a relationship with him really. And then at one point in college, our relationship as I could offer good, we just kind of gotten to like a little tiff. And I was just he decided he didn't want to be a part of my life anymore.

And you know it's sad you know to like think about IT, but I also think that everything happens for a reason and i'm so much Better for IT and i've grown and so much morning. And if somebody doesn't want to be part of your life, like why are you going to force them too? yes.

And so yeah mean growing up like IT was very tomorrow ous like IT was very much like I I most want to say like IT was like a survival or or not kind of environment like there is just so much fighting, so much crash in so much just I felt like was in the background a lot of the times and that's not to the fault of anybody like my mom did the best he could, you know, SHE worked and SHE was a falt temperate and like SHE just like did so much for the family too. So we'd never wanted just credit her. But I think there was a lot that I had to work through internally and by myself because I felt like I was almost forced to be independent at a Young age back.

And like, I mean, thank you for sharing that. Yes, of all, I think that can really, really just like shape the way in so many ways that you become resilient. And like you said, you become independent. You become this like self reliant person where you know, like out there are some kids that are so fortunate that are like, I have my mom and my dad and my mom, my mom, my dad and my dad.

And then when you don't have that, you just learn that that's the norm and that's like and I think that's so beautiful that you're saying that on the other hand, like that's like really hard for Young kid to like you you know mentioning like there was aggression. There was this like that can make you kind of either turn in word or like act out like I feel like there's always like you can either go one where and other and then yeah to have that comment about like college like that's so sad, obviously and I I totally understand what you're saying. There's like a positive to up and then that is like sad because IT is a form of rejection.

Yeah yeah and that's tough. Yeah anything that's why like for the longest time I I pushed off like my past, growing up in my past with my dad because I was a IT doesn't affect me my everyday life because i've forgone about IT but IT does play a role in my relationships and and who I am really IT takes me a lot to have to ask somebody for help because I grown up so independently like I can I can put together for in sure I can do whatever, like i'm very independent, like regulating my own emotions, all the stuff. And I don't have to ask anybody for IT, but that can affect my relationships on a lot of ways because then you're not really learning anybody in and like who you are, what you're going through, right? And effects like relationships, whether it's like friendships or like with .

boyfriends or what not too, right. That's so interesting. I like the that I love talking about that on my show. The effects of like whatever happened to all of us in our childhoods, like how do we start to lightly see that player, right? How do you think your relationship with your dad impacted the type of relationships you pursued so much?

I mean, I went through so many bad relationships and picks so many bad guys because what I think is I was so like i've gone through a lot of there people like obviously like like I still think like it's going to go through therapy to talk about these things. And i'm learning so much more every day about like what my past means to me now.

But what I think is that i'm so addicted to someone who doesn't give me everything because i've been so used to working for things in my life, working for love and affection, working for success that like, I like guys who don't give me everything all at once, because i've been so used to like to that environment. And i've also been really used to like this fighter flight, like feeling since, like growing up, because like the way that I group was. So there, there was a lot of aggression there, and I was just like, I had to deal with all the fighting, and then I go to school and they forget about IT or tried to whatever, so is like pushing things back. And I think that in my relationships, I think that I really went towards people who gave me that fighter flight feeling again, like people who will give IT to me, but like, take IT back and then like that toxicity .

you oh grow you're in you just like literally spit out exactly oh, you're like at that point where you're like, oh, let me just tell you exactly myself diagnoses but really from your therapist like let me tell you what I ve been no, it's fascinating. I appreciate you sharing that because I think prior to like I don't know the past few years, like IT would have been like taboo to even like acknowledge and how our parents fucked ked us up.

And even when people have perfect parents, kids are still fucked up somehow from whatever. And so I think that is really like you're very self aware in those patterns. What LED you to the bachelor? How are we signing up? How did we get there? And did you have any like social media presents prior to that?

Yeah IT so funny enough. Like, I don't want to give credits. My eggs, the toxic ex, but but you like, we were in the toxics relationship.

And then I got out of IT and I was at a place money for I was in P A school and I just needed an and I was like, i've always been just a creative and and like have like logging. I guess like I don't i've always like, you know like wanted to be like a youtube the age of talk, but I did. We would have been from then.

We have been found. So then I took a tiktok and I started talking about like my P A school stuff in my everyday life because I knew that was a market for, and nobody really knows what A P. A does.

So this is great. I can talk about in this school life and have this creative of outlet that you've wanted aside from school. And then somebody came across my tiktok.

And D. M, to me, was like, i'm a casting producer for the bachelor. I really like your tiktok.

Like, would you want to like, interview for IT? And at the time I was like, this is a joke. I would say.

did you think I was fake? I think was like.

but I think it's going, I wish, just kind like, just like no way. And I but I was this. Intriguing like I would maybe do an interviewer and see work goes, but like i'm in school, I would never actually do this, nor my school actually ever let me do that.

So I did the energy, whatever, came to a point where they were like sending me contracts and they were like, can you please sign like, and do this? Like, whatever and I was like, how I just don't know and I don't know. I got til like kind of a bad boating accident with my friends.

And IT sounds dramatic because I almost did die, but like, I hate talking about because, like, everybody was fine, but a boat that basically rammed into us. And this was like a week before we ago on the show, and that was like, well, I was died. I'm gonna IT. So I called my school and I was like, have a .

number or two that genes dies? Has SHE made IT? Or here? What lately wasn't seemed .

like I was on a boat with my friends. And like this caught, this boat was coming right out us, didn't see us. And I was sitting in the exact please, where the boat would have decapitated me and think, god, I was paying a tanking because I jumped to the other side of about so quickly.

And we got into crush, like, whatever, like, every boy's fine after that, like, got me, this was in in the keys. Yeah, yeah. But he was really that moment where I was like, I almost just died and I have nothing to like safe for this.

Like, I like, I haven't been loved. Like, like, i'm like single and lonely. And i'm in P.

A. School and in my entire life has been toward school. And like, I need to do something for myself.

You, like, almost died, almost got to capitated. Then I realized.

like.

bucket, let's officially agree. And you get there. And where you like, even comprehending what was about to .

happen in your life. God, I had no, I I don't think I really understood because I was so like here for love like IT really is just like a weird way to find love, but it's what I wanted. So I wouldn't comprehending everything that would come after about.

I'm going to play a little game with you OK because now that you are the bachelor, I am so curious like when we're giving out roses and when we're not in my roses. okay.

So first of all.

let's take a step of our drink queen, even just, right, we've been craving, okay, that's in a bad. We could have use eyes, but my ice machine is broken, cheap, fucked over here, sorry, going to get your ice. And like, we have no ice in my cabi shed, literally.

What is this establishment? How that is going down? Okay, i'm going to give you scenario and you're gna tell me if this person would get a rose for you.

Are you ready? OK, okay. He has a girl best friend.

That's tough. That's tough. IT depends how long as you've been best friends with her as recent is SHE hot. Has he tried to sleep with her before that the thing has he tried to sleep .

with her before? And how do you ask a guy that I think I would just ask you would just say i'm the kind .

of person that would .

just okay for end him. My name is kayo kol.

Have you tried to sleep with .

her before there was being that right?

Or have you thought before we're just .

going right in IT? Yeah and he he's like, no, no, we've just been like friends for a long time. We met through this and like gorgeous friends.

Okay, interesting. Kk, I would maybe give your rose. I think I give your rose for the meantime. But if the story I would be cared to see if the story continues to check out.

I G here's the is IT fucked up to say, like I would consider myself a pretty confident person, but I obviously get jealous, right? I agree with you. Like if my partner had a girl's best friend that was like arly his type yeah, i'd be like or if he is like, yeah, is that fact that was to be like, if he is really hot, what are you two talking .

about over dinner every night? And here's the thing. I'm i'm also like pretty like secure myself at this point too. And I think that I would really depend on like like if we just start meeting, like if we just met and you have a group, us aren't fine, but like at some point, like I should be a group and not not to be like not to be cleaning, but like I should be the priority.

I should be the girl bus. I agree. I feel like there is a lot of different like ways you can look at if your boyfriend has a girl friend or your fiancee husband. I think there is like a lot of questions you do need to ask because it's like if it's like they are friends, but like because his his is his best friend's girlfriend, you know, I mean, like amaze, but if this is just like a single hottest, just thriving in the corner and he was like, why you is going to dinner by yourself?

Yes, I agree, I agree. And it's it's funny because back in the day, i'd be like on the cool girl and him to ask these questions. But no, you have to ask the questions. And IT doesn't make you crazy.

IT makes you smart. Thank you. Yeah, because like love of my men in my life, i've one fit. And my husband love men that have been in my life. But like, i'm sorry, but like, I just have a hard time if there's no connection to the front group, if there's no connection to like childhood, we've know each other because our mom are our best friends and we were born in the same.

Whatever do you just met her out and now she's your best friend? Yes.

red fly. Okay, he is outdoor zy, and his ideal vacation isn't .

camping like clamping? Maybe.

perhaps no clamping.

Camping like, like sticks together. Fire burning like sleeping on the net.

we're going on. Hikes were seen. The bears were put up.

You know, I could do IT I could do IT I am a nature goal. okay? Um I do prefer the glamor camp but if you know if I trust him and he's someone that I can trust to build a fire and attack the bears of the bears like, sure I could do IT I don't want to be doing everyday.

I obsessed, really glad ing I had whisky for on like a month and I was like, what about like camping and he's like, fucking, is that he's like, you know what i'm like in my R V with, like my plasma TV. Where is t come into play with camping? With like that? How I would come at the same pages was clean. Yes, you want a little glam.

Mean was.

could go lap o OK, okay, would you consider yourself high maintenance? Oh, no, I I don't.

But there are things i'm picky .

about .

for sure OK. I don't like curling my hair. Like, I want to make sure my hairs cruel all the time. Like, I don't like having straight hair, but we can do that in the woods. And that's why whatever I would need to go clamping with R, V and the plasma T, V in ways, and then an allot from exactly .

all these things have to perfectly aligned. You will go to the woods. And specifically with coli, I have to .

be specifically yes.

okay, he's a mama's boy rush like .

how bad of a mam sport like he's calling her for everything every second, every day. You're not going to rose. I mean, I can't do IT. I just I love someone who has a good relationship with their mom but but there's gotta a time where you fly the us, you know. And at this age, at my old age, if my man is is twenty six, twenty one at twenty nine, thirty and still calling his mom.

yeah, IT gets a little like IT gets a little bus when it's like why I keep calling mummy and like I and I.

he pumped, jumped and he was like .

my mom that's what I knew I was like, I think like really missing something here. Like something feels off and like, I don't want to be a part of this OK. How quickly do you introduce someone you're seeing to your family?

I usually don't like i've never introduced anyone to my family before um because my filming, I can be very judgmental, okay? And they are they are very critical. So I think um you know wouldn't want to introduce one until I felt like I was the right person.

right? I assuming obviously you had to introduce people in the season to your family. Were you proud of your family?

I am so good. I am so proud of that. They were exactly themselves, jack.

I was like.

they're going .

to be shy. They were not.

No, they not.

So they spoke point .

every show saying too much.

I don't know.

I think this very yeah. I mean, they are not afraid to speak their mind. yeah.

And I mean, why would baby? No, so yeah and I was interest at some points for sure. I always ah oh my god.

if I everyone on a show like that, like how would my parents handle being on TV? Like how was your family on TV? Like where they anxious, where they asking you pointers. Like.

well, so like my brother, not shed all he was himself like, I like my mom, my family mother, he was like, actually I called her. He was like you to hire a mom because i'm not going on t not doing IT like it's just not me.

but it's not me and then .

I come to find out that before he came on for pisos, that he was therefore SHE was practicing lines in english for the weeks beforehand. But I wanted to make her come to when he was there I was mom. You can speak IT means like it's because i'm billing well like I can speak IT and I was like, I think this is a beautiful moment for people be able to really see where our family is like like I don't speak english, my mom most of time and SHE was like, no, I can do IT like I can speak because she'd been protesting for for so many weeks .

so and when I heard that was so in this way and then you being so sweet, being like, mom, be yourself like.

it's okay yeah IT IT was was a sad moment like because I didn't know that she's been practicing and I was like pressuring her to just beer herself and I was all got, I didn't know. But I mean, that all was fine, but he was very nervous like SHE is not the type of person that wants to be on camera like ever okay.

I think that's like Better. Can I be like on its like a kind of freak me out with the parents. Like you can tell like the man in the camera, you're looking for a real housewives to pick you right up like they're like looking a little too prime problem.

Like how god you like, they like practice their lines. I think it's more genuine at the parents is like i'm just here to support my daughter or my son. And like we did he .

end up ever speaking vietnam? SHE did one point. Well, one point I kept in is and SHE tried to, and then SHE like, forgot IT and started speaking english.

And i've never seen this woman. Forget you in her wife. I was like, what is going? SHE was nervous. SHE was so nervous, but he eventually, like the nerves calmed down.

And SHE so .

proud of you. SHE was, yeah, SHE really was so proud. You.

okay, his ideal weekend is going to the club and party and not going rose .

me at the stage. We're too old for that.

okay. So you're not down for the parties over the weekend.

I am sometimes. But the fact I live me, amy, it's like when I first move there, I was doing in every weekend and like this is not a sustainable life, especially in school. So I had to really limit myself and now I really only like go out out when like friends are visiting, like people are down there and they want to have a good time. I'll go in celebrating whatever or like it's a birthday um but to do IT every weekend I cannot do that but i'm too old okay.

if he was on this season and he was often in the middle of drama, is he getting a rose?

Drama can go a lot of different ways. So it's like, why are you in the middle of drama? Like do you started or people just jealous of you or or or what is that or what is that? So it's pse.

did you feel like you had to suss out? And were you good at IT? Like obviously there's always drama, but were you good? There's always in a season like someone is either being misrepresented by the did you find yourself being good at sussing out? Like if they were being honest, if they were being a little shit?

Yes, absolutely. I think I very much have like a gut feeling that I trust and. There were definitely certain men that I trusted more than OS was their drama, yes, and that I have to saw things out for myself. Yes, did. And i'd like to say that I, you know, my god, was right at the end of the day.

Well, now that we know you dealt with tunnel boy, like.

right.

literally like you are coming in your leg, do not fuck with me. I know a little piece ship when I see yes, okay, we're out of the game now. Just can ask you about so we're moving on OK.

You have to tell me as we're kind of talking about this, like what was IT like dating? Like how many men? Twenty something .

twenty five .

try to article. Like I didn't remember .

other names on that one. I got to lie about that like I really didn't right. IT was stranger. Like the first night, I was strong ly easy for me to like flute because i'm a natural fluid. So I found IT easy to kind of get along with everybody today.

And then as time went on, like IT was very easy for me to, like, be in the moment with each and every single one of them, which I found surprising because I thought, like, if I was with one, maybe I would be thinking of the other advice for what not. But I very much was in the moment with each and every one of them. And so I was in too hard. But I also feel the saying that I was in hard during twenty five .

minutes when you actually, what's weird, if you said that I actually kind of agree, is like the hardest part of dating. The twenty five minutes is probably remembering all their names yeah and then I think probably when you're down .

to like seven IT definitely got a head IT was easier compartment is at first because there were so many of them in the beginning the feelings weren't assure right but towards the end, like, yeah, I was a little bit more difficult when I got down till like whatever amount there was because the feelings were so much stronger okay yeah .

you have to tell me, when you're in the first row ceremony, do you have an ear peace .

in like how do you .

be like Jimmy r and gmt and kill one and t like how do you know who to call you?

Okay, tell how i'm going to let you in on OK I so you can have to like, try your best to remember, right? But like if you need a little help, like you, you could phone a friend.

Okay, you can be like, can I have a minute? yes. And you can go back to the room and they're like, this is Jimmy r and this is je t and Jimmy tee has a bad hair. Then you're like, got IT and you're like, Jimmy tee, here's the rose and he think, really thinking so hard about him, me like this this guys .

what was more like I know giving this one of rose just like, give me like the first .

letter and maybe but no.

your piece so no, in your piece it's more of like, hey.

are they with one or there's all these? No, no one can care about this on A B, C. For, like, how does that work? How can you actually do they know?

No, I kind of leave the stand for a second and I go, please tell me, tell me which one this is because I forget.

can you can I say thank you? Because every time I watch, i'm literally sweating. Not I.

I sway because like, yeah, how are they remember? Like, who is that guy in the corner? I don't even know his face. Okay.

okay, otherwise I was gonna like gub hot one, kind of hot one like cheese is looking you. Otherwise there was going to like that. So.

okay. Have any of your exes reached out you since the bachelor or the season of the bachelor?

Ince the bachelor ah yeah yeah um .

saying .

White so oh god, he putting with some blaster kind .

of fun now yes so there was .

one x boyfriend who there's tube so there's this one guy I did like three years ago in bosom my first move there and we did like two months very reflected and then we were really good friends after fact and so we've been in touched here and there i've gone a family vacations with him for like we're just like very we're friends though you know mean maybe benefit here and there but but I would never take him again just because we're just such different people and we know that certain things don't work for us so we're good friends and that's that's where it's that but yeah I mean, after the battles, I think he reached out in a more maybe like serious manner.

And I was like entertaining IT as, like my friend because, say, I like attention what. But I knew that I was never actually gonna be with him because I was like, there's just, i've been there before before I want to do IT again, but I care about him as a friend very deeply. So there was that, and I don't.

We were supposed to go, okay, so we were so close wedding together in columbia, like before the whole thing happened. And then when I happened, I was, I got kid to this wedding because i'm going to find the love of my life, hopefully. Yes, so he was a little disappoint in, yeah.

but I get that it's like revisiting something from the past. IT feels familiar and I can feel like, oh, like, why not just like go to wedding .

and a free trip to columbia I was like, yes, i'm single I can do that .

very White but then also knowing like in your heart like he's just you see him as a friend yeah you're like, yeah i'm going to go and like, see if I can date and spine the person that i'm in love. absolutely. Who was the other one?

The other of the toxic acx, where we were in a relation to four year? And he and sent me this whole long letter about, like, everything that he did wrong. And I remember like for the longest time, that's all I wanted from him, right? IT was an apology.

And when I was reading and I was like getting pissed off, I was, this is fucked up. Like, I don't I don't want the letter because I made me angry at the way he treated me and that he took in this long and apologize. And I was kind of like, what the fuck was this for? This was for you, not for me.

Like, i've heal these wounds. I don't need you to heal them. For me, this is you healing yourself. So I basically liked the message and was like, good luck.

No jet. I'm obsess because I think a lot of people, it's kind of like once you do something, sometimes people understandably like recognized the worth when they like see them with someone new and then you're like bucked and I buck up like should I have left that person? I feel like for you that must be like slightly vindicating to be like now .

you want to reach out and apologize like now like after everything 好玩。

What is the most valuable lesson that you learned about yourself throughout .

the whole process that it's okay to have a voice, in fact, it's Better to have a voice? Um for the longest time, I didn't send up for myself. I didn't feel comfortable in like expressing what I need and what I want. And throughout this whole journey, I was able to really find my voice and and like really be myself and and let these guys know like who I am and what I want. And I wasn't just coasting by anymore because in the past i've always just been like afraid to like talk about certain things, or afraid to stand up for myself, because I thought that IT would make someone love me last or look at me differently. But at the other day, it's, this is why, and i'm gonna have a voice and you're going to take IT or leave IT.

And if you leave IT, you're not my person. I really appreciate you saying that because I understand, like reality, TV has its perks and its temples. But I will say, think something that the bacheller has always done very incredibly is like you guys are having like really intense conversations that there is no distractions.

There is no like I know on some shows there's like drinking and party in and like nights like this is like a very insulted environment where you're having to be like let's talk about the real shit and like let's get to the crops like who you are, who I am and I think that's amazing that you're like i'm almost breaking an environment where you're like, I have to be vulnerable, yes. And who do I want to be vulnerable with first? Who do I maybe not feel as comfortable .

to open up to actually is a the environment that impossible not be vulnerable? And I agree, it's like in some instance, ces like if you were vulnerable and the guy didn't handle at the right way, like, okay, but then you're not my person, right? So IT creates like certain moments like that were able to really get to the needy gray of what a real relationship would be like because it's so fast track.

I also just think about that whenever IT starts to get down to the wire, it's like when you have like eight guys left, let's say six guys left, how are you because like you have a time wine. Yeah like you can just like be like dilly darling. And like until you you you canna have IT like the rose ceremony. Y is now you have to decide, yeah, how in moments where you were like, maybe a little torn on like koto send home, like what were those like deciding factors of how you knew how to like? Okay, I mean, to let this one go over this one if you were, like.

every orn think about the end of the day, really went down til I could I see a life with this person. So if they had had something in the past that like, really was a red flag for me, or really just like, didn't work with what I wanted in my future like but I still had fun with them. I knew in my god I was like I had to let them go because this one thing is not onna work and it's something that we won be able to work there um so yeah where other times or IT went down to the wire OK I I don't know, but then I did know if I really thought about I was like this works right now, but it's not gonna work forever.

right? Yeah are you happy with the way that this season ended?

I think that the way everything like, played out was exactly the way that I was supposed to. And the ending was the right ending for me. So i'm happy, yes, for me, because everything was a way that I was supposed to go.

Do you think people are gonna shocked by the ending? Or is this like a like, people are going to be like, okay, we like, saw this coming. This is good.

Or is IT like, I like our people going to be uneasy of? Like, only are IT what is happening? Okay, I got, let me think .

about my words. We'll become arguing well because I don't think that I really saw the way I ended like I don't think I saw the ending the way IT was proposed to end like for a while, you know, I mean, like I don't think I saw I don't think that I knew how I was going to end, right? You go into thinking that it's gna be a certain way. And do you think that I really surprised myself in the end? So i'm happy, but I I think people will be shot for sure.

Okay, fantasy sweet time is called addy.

How have been waiting for?

How much do you like in your brain? Like allow that to affect your decision? Like for you, everyone's different. I know.

Like some people were like, oh my god, if you slept with everyone, then i'll kill you and I can be with you or some people like intimacy is a big part. Like, how did you in your brain like approach fantasy sweets? Because that's like a yeah big thing.

I would be lying. I didn't say IT was a concern. Like I obviously i'm thinking in the back of my head like how was this going affect each individual relationship? Yeah, but at the other day, I needed to do what was right for the individual relationship.

Like I couldn't think about the other guys that were there because that would be doing a service to myself. And at the end of the day, I thought to myself if anyone who didn't understand the position that I was in and had a problem with that, that's on them. And then they were in my person at the end of IT all. But what I really approached the fancy sweets with is like those that was kind of the time I really talk about, like financial, like religion. I've freaking I don't know who did you vote for like all that kind of stuff that like you can't talk about like on camera because .

don't care about that if you're like before you take your shirt off yeah you just let me know your vote loves actually just be quickly. I'm sad because these are the .

things you need to know before you like potentially commit the rest of your life with somebody great point.

It's like you guys are having all like the emotional, like romantic conversations. But now let's get down like if we live here, right? How's this gonna .

are you gona move to? Where I move? Are you? Do you? Are you opens to practicing the religion that I wanted all these little things that like that matter like, yeah.

do you have like in your head like, you know who's going to be that, bill?

And that was just a little piece. Or oh yeah, I called IT up from day one. Do you think .

you know who could like potentially be the next battle?

I think I do. I think I do and I think I do.

Yeah you think you got I think I do.

I don't know. I'm right. But of course I think I do. I think like there is a lot of great guys yeah season. But you think one stands out in particularly that I think could be be great, great for somebody.

but not for me. Pert, yeah. Um okay, last question. What do you want people to know about you before tuning this season?

I think I want people to know that i'm a very dynamic person and that you can judge me base of based off of one line that I say, or one seam that you see, or one interview that I had, because I have a lot of different layers to me, like any other human being here. And I think often times people are are like quick to judge on the internet because they see one thing, one snip IT, whatever. And I think that I have a lot of different layers to me.

And also for the season, I think that um there's a lot of growth there. And so I i'm like a little soft journey. Yeah, jane.

i'm so excited for you. I'm so happy I got to sit down with you. You are you are amazing obviously on the bachelor or but like getting to be with you for an hour plus like your a lovely percent and i'm so happy no matter what the outcome I can tell you happy if whatever we're about to watch on the season like I know I will be tuning in. I'm very excited for you and like I just made me even want to watch more now like getting to know you, and also like knowing about past and fall shit like, goodbye, jet modified, her man OK leave us alone. We're moving on.

But or SHE gna fall into the simple bits. Oh my god. Thank you. So, so, thank you so much.

I have been screaming at my T, V. When you're going on the day we like to do so.

Like j, you'll have to text me. I can to .

hear at all. Thank you. Thank.

thank you. Thank you.