Jenn Tran: You're Not Crazy...He's an Ass [VIDEO]
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What is your daddy game? IT is your founding father, alex Cooper, with call her. Jan, welcome to color dad.

Thank you so much.

Things are having so sad. You're here. We have to give the daddy gain context of what we have been doing. So i'm upstairs and prepping for the interview. I hear that, Jenny here.

I walked down the stairs and I hear like, where's the taka? Where's the tequila? Like, I don't know in a great way and like, because I never know what the vibes are going to be from people and i'm like, jane, what's going on and you're like, let's take shot like, I love IT what why did you want to kill? You know, I knew this.

This was going to be a fun time and you we're going to like, shoe the ship and just have fun and like, what's the point of doing IT without .

a little bit kila? No, i'm so happy that I also, to give context, this is why my job is the best. Like IT is one o'clock on a friday and usually on a friday.

Like, oh, maybe you can start drinking IT like four o'clock with jen. It's like IT is one o o'clock we are drinking to kill a. We have our drinks.

We have ourselves. congratulation. Thank you. You are about to be the .

season's bachelor red.

congratulation. Thank you. You are about to be this season's bachelor red. The show is about to come out. How are you feeling?

I'm honestly, really excited for everyone to just see IT like I feel like this whole chapter in my life like happened and I haven't seen anything about IT. yeah. So it's like did IT really happen or not? But like obviously, I did. I'm really excited for everyone to see IT, and I think there's a lot of opinions on the season. So I just I know how amazing it's gonna and I know like what a dream was for me, and i'm so excited.

Well, speaking of opinions, what are you talking about like from your perspective, what are you talking about like there's a lot of opinions on this season.

Yeah I mean, there's no like running around IT like I came back from filming and there was a lot of people are wanting somebody else or wishing that I was american. So there's there's a lot of racism around IT too. And there's just a lot of people who want to have input on IT and wish that there was somebody else and what not.

So I think that you just can't win. You know, people like she's too boring or she's too crazy. He wants to take shots.

It's like, god for that. I want to take a shot. I don't know that once you get engage, you can take a shot, or once you get fine love, you take a shot. So I mean, it's it's crazy how people have an opinion.

okay. Can we talk about that for minute? Because I I agree, I feel like people have always like there is no secret that like if you look up the lineup of the bachelor and the bachelor at like IT is a lot of White people that have like historically bad like the leads.

And i'm so lucky, happy american. Yes, yes, for african americans. And I think that you being the first asian american is so fucking incredible.

But also it's like, why? Why is that the focus of people's negativity? Like how did you feel when you are seeing those comments in a weird way?

IT makes me feel validate that there needs to be changed, right? Because I live my whole life having, you know, some people tell me racism doesn't exist like asians don't have to deal with IT like you're a Better minority, nobody cares and to have these things about me set online, particularly about my race, like IT, just validate the fact that there is so much hate people's hearts still and it's still such a prevalent thing in this day that i'm happy to take on the brand of IT if that means i'm making a change for people that are gonna after me.

You know, first of all, I thank you for saying that because I think like it's not your job to like be a spokesperson for a up now that you're in this position like I can imagine so many Young irl or like let's fucking go to yes representation. I also feel like I said to you before we started and like you came in here and your energy, your vibe is like, I feel that we could be friends and you smell amazing. I just had to say that I was sorry. This is whole studio. Everyone is not in their head and this whole studio smells amazing.

You smell. It's Caroline where I it's funny. I in a hotel, I need to find a perfume and my producers, like, you're literally going to pop that, you know what is going to smell you through the camera. I was like, I don't care. I need a small good at all time.

So it's affecting me and I am like, this is fabula a little to kill IT a little care in her, a perfect of producing you. It's perfect. It's perfect. I'm getting in the vives, getting in the mood. I need to know where you were and how you felt when you got the call of the batlike.

Take me to that moment. Yeah, I was crazy. I I mean, like things have been in the works for like months at that point and I just like didn't know what was going to happen and you know the clock was ticking down. So is like maybe it's just not mean maybe just not happening but like we've had meanings about IT and internews about IT.

So IT was in the back of my head and I was getting back from the gym s in my car and I just get like this tax from, like one of like the producer is being like, do you want to hop on a cover quick? And I like a god, like, could this fee? And I kind of knew, but I was also like, really nervous because I felt like, you know, my whole life was going to change um but obviously was also like did I really want IT like I had been thinking about IT for months and months and it's a big change you know it's like i'm a very private person so it's like do I really want my whole life to be on blast like this? And I knew that I was gna have to take a lot of heat for many different reasons.

And so I was like, yes, I want to find love. What is just the capacity that I want to do IT in? And so I took a while for me, I think about IT. But I mean, I hoped on the call immediate. I was like, obviously, yes, I would do IT right, right?

It's just so crazy because you're right. And I think that's what people forget is like we've now watched the bacheller for so many seasons. We've ve the bacheller franchise. But like this does completely change your life. And like before all of this, your a physicians, a system in, I watching your student, I watching your tiktok.

You like going into surgery, like getting them prevent, and like this is a big shift from you being in like scrubs and like doing your thing during the day to then, like now the whole world is about to watch you hopefully fall in love. I had marie on, and he was really open about like they had offered me the role. IT wasn't right for me. Like can you tell me from your experience like seeing all the conversation around like maria or Daisy? Like how did how did you like feel about everything?

Yeah so obviously didn't have my phone at the time. All this was going down because we had went written into filming um after IT was all nounce in coming back to all of that yeah obviously I was really disappointed to see all that because I mean, the truth of the matter is like there's a lot of narratives out there and they're not necessarily the truth.

You know the show has been going on for years and years, twenty one years of this show specifically. And every season there are multiple people in contention for the role, multiple people being interviewed or doing meetings about IT, all doing fittings or filming into packages, never really you and told you, uh so that's why was a disappointment is because you have the narrow ves out there aren't exactly truth. And I think that um when you look at at all, like the show has been going on for so long and um you look based on the history at all, like there's always multiple people, so it's not you told you.

oh no OK. I didn't even think about that. You before all of these things were happening, you were in the middle ilm ing yeah we feel like when that colde episode came out, you didn't even know that.

Mario, I came on the show. I know I hadn't seen back.

Yeah, oh my god. OK do you had IT wasn't like a last minute thing.

People are asking you, no, no, no, no. I had. We had meanings about that. We talked about IT for a months, and then they asked me, I had the choice and I chose to do IT. I said yes. And the thing with like the narrative that out right now is like I was disappointing to come back from this incredible journey for myself and then to see all the speculation around IT and to almost have these things kind of take away from what my journey was. You know, i'm kind of at a point my life we're like, i'm not gonna anyone take clam to that.

Not going to let anyone like like I don't know, like I have some sort of role in that because my entire life, you know, the way grew up was kind of crazy and then know i've always like thought about others first and I went to health care because I care about other people so much and it's been a IT took a while for me to really find my voice and certain things. And this is something that like, i'm so proud to be able to say, like this is my time and this is my jury and that's what I wanted to be focused on because i'm able to have a voice now to talk about IT and to be able to stand my ground on IT is that this is my journey. I'm so happy about IT and am so happy for everyone to like.

finally see that. I appreciate you sharing this because I can imagine from your perspective, when you come out, yeah, I think a lot of people were like, oh like genes a runner up and genes are doing this. And like now hearing from you, like we know like all us were in talks and all of us were making these decisions and everyone was kind of up for IT.

I'm sure there was like three to four people that were in conversation. Have you talk to the other women? Like.

yeah, yeah, I mean, everything. Everything's good. Now that's the thing about being in this world and being matter and being and having, like, you know, just like just knowing what world you're in and being a person and being mattered about IT all.

Is that like rolf? T, yes, and it's all good. yeah.

Okay, let's talk about your life before reality. T, V.

where did you grow up? A group in jersey?

Sea girl, I was a girl, but I went to school in jersey for high school. Really, really like, okay, so jersey?

Yes, north jersey. And then I went to squat pitzer g for like a year. And how? Then I transfer to a concert, I know.

And then after sinson, i've moved to boston for a couple of years. And that's kind of wear my family, like resides right now. What were you like in high school? In high school, honestly, was really shy. okay?

I was really still kind of coming into my own and like I played sport to put back I put across that's kind of where I was like more out going, really more like found myself like having like a group of friends kind of thing. But still like I was really, really shy. I don't really think I fully understand that I was yet um and I mean even like a middle school like I was like the most awkward ever I had such an awkward fees.

I was like the tobias could ever. And like, I remember I had a crash on this guy, and I remember I was like, stalking him. I like, IT was like, after school, and I was waiting for him to, like, come down this year.

So everybody know what classic hacks. So crazy, whatever and I I saw coming, jan and his friends were making fun of me for liking him. They were like, oh my gosh.

Like, genti has a crush. You like, how funny? You like, that's crazy. And like, that was my medical life essentially.

Yeah, I related that. And I every time I meet people that I like now, like high school was a breeze, like middles breeze. I fuck .

how you like .

we like now i'm like, so grateful yeah it's not feeling that way. But back in the day, it's like when you struggle that it's like IT can like affect you obviously socially.

What the thing is, IT builds character. Like i'm so happy that I had an award phase that I was like a little weird or like whatever IT was because and IT makes you more grateful for like who you are now. And i'm grateful for like figuring .

myself out so much more. Now I agree. Did making friends come .

easy to you in high school? Yes and no. Like because I played club sports. Like IT was easy to like be friends with them and kind of self.

But I think like internally, like I was having such a, like, who am I? Like, how do I be cool? Like, how do I just like, like have everyone love mean thing. And I wasn't really falling until like who I am.

And at the time, like I was really still struggling with like figuring out my identity in terms of like, like my vane's culture and like the american culture, because both my parents are immigrants and they are both like very, very vitamins to the core. So I grew up with a lot of these values, and there were a lot of people like me in my town. So I think IT was a bit harder for me to like, relate to people, because I was going through so much at such a Young age. So I was a lot of that.

I'm curious, like did ever having like you are saying, like you kind of have this like pushing, pull, like, oh, gosh, you like, I want to lean into my culture, but then also the kids around you are not like that. I did I ever make you pull away more for from your family .

or lead more into your family was going IT was just I wanted to be like everybody else really like when you're at that age and you're groing up and you just want to fit and you want to be like everybody else um but I wasn't really until college where I got really exposed a lot more diversity um and I also got tired of kind of like hiding home they called is like that new like sense of like you you get a chance like you right yourself almost so I was able to really do that in college and like embrace everything that makes me me and really embraced like my vietnam's culture as well as like me growing up america.

It's hard though when you're in those moments, like have perspective exactly how are you with boys like high school, college like what .

was the then you know I had a lot of issues like because I had annotation phy in middle school. In the high school like I kind of started was still awkward, but start growing to my own A A little bit. And then towards the end of high school, i'd say I really wanted to explore and then I got into college and I really um really wanted to explore well and I was a little boy crazy and I ended up in a lot of bad situations that my vision have been in.

Tell me everything I do you like. I wanted to explore like a Graceful of saying, I had my face. I went for IT OK. What do you mean you went down house? Maybe you should know.

I just, I think I really use my body for a lot of whatever you know. And I think that I wasn't really fully respecting myself in those times one point like I just didn't know how relationships worked right. Like I my parents were reverse and I never really had a good room on of love.

So going into college with that perspective, I didn't really help and I was entering relationships that like we're really bad for me like one time I was so to lose on that. I was, you know seeing this guy who essentially had a girlfriend, but I didn't know he had a girlfriend until I did know. But then he kept calling me, you know I like were broken up but its a big deal he was living with the grow the time like and he drove me freaking insane he drove freking and he would make dates up with me. He be like, yeah meet me at this place at nine P M. And then he'd go home to his girlfriend, block my number, so that every message I sent him afterwards would turn Green and little name jen was like, maybe he's going through a tunnel for like hours and hours and doesn't have service like tone I know like I was .

in .

seeing and then my college remains had to deal with this like I would not going to do like, oh my god, should like he's not answering me. What do I do? Like he's in a tunnel again.

To A K, he's like inside his girlfriend tonight.

And the tonal is his girlfriend. IT was crazy, so so relatable.

Like I have an episode that easy either are coming out or will have come out. And i'm talking about like when you are in the early stages of data and you were insecure when you were Younger, which I was, you can kind of find yourself almost not even like evaluating your boundaries, like you don't have boundaries are so happy someone's giving me attention. And it's so in toxic and IT can be so overwhelming that you don't have time that now you look back and you like, why didn't someone like, literally like, slap me? Ross had to be like.

wake up.

He's not in a tunnel. bitch. A girl, right? Uni, yeah. no. Held me.

He d like, it's crazy. The things that I delusion ally believed in back of the time.

And I appreciate you because obviously, like my main demography as women, I appreciate you saying like I didn't like fully respect my body at the time. I think that's like sadly, a very relatable thing because I think we still live in a man's world. And if you're like going for these relationships, you want meant to like you and you want them to see you and you want to like you want the attention in the validation and you can't give IT to yourself yet because like you being used so far, you've just gotten like no success or you're like feeling bad about yourself. So when you guys to give you attention, you're like me ah yeah .

and then if they .

start to act out, you're like that matter .

and then you look, what more can I do? Like, keep this attention go and you drive yourself insane.

OK, how long did that last channel? Boy, long tane boy.

probably like four, six months are .

using four years?

No god, no god, know. Six months, let's see. And then, but at the time, I like, there was a turning point in that where when I realize, oh, he's like insane, like he was actually like a sosie path and was like why to me like crazy like would never like own up to IT and then there was a turning point where was okay?

Wait, now i'm going to play the game like if she's gonna be at me and do all this, like i'm going to do that. So then I started using him for like dinner and drinks and all the stuff, and then he built. Or can I come back to your partner because I I can never go to his right and I like, sorry, like I got class early and like I got ta go, but things for dinner like, you know and says .

you because like I i'd ever go to his because .

he is a girl oh my god you know it's crazy .

is like that seems to be the most beautiful turn of events when you are just like under someone's and you're just getting played and played and play and then I don't know what IT is the sun rises a little different that morning or like your phone looks little different, everything look little different and you're like, oh, my .

poker.

It's over for now because it's like the repetitiveness of the cycle of and treating you on should just one day you're like, what if I just what just tilted IT a little bit this way and i'll live a second, you're now like in a little bit more of a position of power.

yes. And then they really lose her shake.

And secondly, he knows what's going on.

So that's not the girl that I wanted.

Okay, so you have like you went to writing college.

Oh, for sure, I just had so many crazy relationships. And then even after college, I think I was still finding myself. I I was growing more confidence to who I am, but not grown confident and like what I wanted in a relationship and knowing what I wanted in that.

What kind of guys are you going for? Call you have A I mean.

at the time, the guy that had a girlfriend was like somebody that I worked with in the restaurant. He was like, kind of my boss. So like I I have a good I have power complex a bus yeah .

like .

I was beer. But he was in that much older he was like a year. So after he's like .

ignoring you in the tunnel.

we go to work together the next day and he'd asked, like everything was fine. He's like, oh, baby, i'm so sorry. Like, let me take you out tonight like, I was backed crazy. I was like, I believe him because we worked together as he cannot be this crazy ali to me and then go to work.

We also that like to make such a weird dynamic two because you also like somewhat respect to your boss. So naturally, you're like even if you wanted to be mad at him, you're taking orders from man, which then becomes .

kind of hot again.

That's the hot part of IT.

Now you're getting to really you really .

like your boss, like god. Let me think that I was tempted. Yeah, my god. Okay, joe, this is a great motion.

yeah. I had to learn a little big and IT crazy.

But no, and I hope, you know, I love these stories too, because I obviously know what we're about to watch on the battle is like, i'm hoping I know you're not wearing a ring, but like, we're obviously hoping you're engaged if that was what was meant to be. But I just was talking about a situation I had in college where I had this guy that just kept IT moving.

And like every every day, I was a different thing, and I was just trying to hold on for dear life. And I married. And I talk about IT though, because when you look back at those things, you have such different perspectives.

And IT almost is like you feel, yes, somewhat bad for yourself, but not anymore once you've been that far away you're like, wow IT just makes you empathetic towards other women that get themselves in that position where you know how easy you can be to fall into that when you're not in a good place with yourself. exactly. And that I think is like there's no judgement like i'm sure there's so many girls listening right now there at that babes. We've done there to been there there, we've been there and the trenches.

The only person I can put yourself out of IT as you yes. And you just got to work through IT and work through your insecurity and and find yourself respect and yeah, I mean, I had so many friends trying to pull me out of IT and I just didn't like I just was like, what what do you mean like he likes me.

They're like he is a girl for you .

like that he but he likes and no.

okay, you have I know you mentioned on your season of the biller and you've mentioned today and i'm not ignoring you. I just I wanted to get to that place of like lightly talk about dating but like yeah your parents dynamic yeah obviously like we all are the way that we are because of like whatever happened in our home and we were Younger. If you had to describe like your view of like love and marriage from your upbringing, like how would you describe IT?

I would say like what I saw between my parents, like wasn't a true partnership. So what I kind of learned from that over the years is that merge is a partnership and it's not one person doing everything, is not one person calling the shots. It's not one person like coming to the other's power.

It's really like a true partnership. And you know that's really what I want is to have a partner all and to have somebody really beyond same pages me and want the same things as mean um in that the only way like something is really going to work right like love is in IT. Yes, but the partnership part of that has to be there too.

Do you mind giving a little context of like what happened when you were Younger with your parents then .

yeah yeah so I think you know my parents just started fighting in a really Young age um and my mom was a type like I think you group and kind of like a different culture in vietnam are like the woman like they cut the clean, they do everything you know for their husbands. And I saw a lot of that growing up and so IT just IT wasn't healthy for them. And then they started fighting.

But my mom would still do everything for my dad. And then, you know, my dad wasn't really a part of my life all that much when I was growing up. At least I have a brother who's nine years older, so he kind of has a different perspective on the whole thing because he's older than I am and he spent more years with my dad.

But when I came into the picture, my job was really like living in the basement for most of my life and not really involved in like my school sports or like my schooling, like just like my other activities or anything. So I didn't have a relationship with him really. And then at one point in college, our relationship, as I could offer good, we just kind of gotten to like a little tiff. And I was just he decided he didn't want to be a part of my life anymore. And you know, it's sad.

You know, I think about IT, but I also think that everything happens for a reason and i'm so much Better for IT and i've grown so much morning you know, if somebody doesn't want to be part of your life, like why are you onna force them too yeah and so yemi, growing up like IT was very to motorists, like IT was very much like I I most want to say, like IT was like a survival or or or not kind of environment. Like there is just so much fighting, so much to crash in, so much just I felt like was in the background a lot of the times and that's not to the fault of anybody like my mom did the best he could, you know, SHE worked and SHE was a false parent. And like SHE just like did so much for the family too. So we'd never wanted just credit her. But I think there was a lot that I had to work through internally and by myself because I felt like I was almost forced to be independent at a Young age back.

And like, I mean, thank you for sharing that. Yes, of all. I think that can really, really just like shape the way in so many ways that you become resilient. And like you said, you become independent. You become this like self reliant person where you know, like out there are some kids that are so fortunate that are like, I have my mom and my dad or my mom, my mom, my dad and my dad and then when you don't have that, you just learn that that's the norm and that's like and I think that's so beautiful that you're saying that on the other hand, like. That's like really hard for Young kid to like you you know mentioning like there was aggression.

There was this like that can make you kind of either turn in word or like act out like I feel like there's always like you can either go one where and other and then ah to have that comment about like college like that's so sad obviously and I I totally understand what you're saying. There's like a positive to up and then that is like sad because IT is a form of rejection. Yeah yeah and that's tough.

Yeah anything that's why like for the longest time I I pushed off like my past growing up in my past with my dad because I was a IT doesn't affect me my everyday life because i've forgone about IT. But IT does play a role in my relationships and and who I am really IT takes me a lot to have to ask somebody for help because I grown up so independently, like I can, I can put together for sure I can do whatever. Like I am very independent, like regulating my own emotions, all the stuff, and I don't have to ask anybody for IT, but that can affect my relationships on a lot of ways because then you're not really letting anybody in and like who you are, what you're going through, right? And effects like relationships, whether it's like friendships or like with .

boyfriends or what not too right. That's so interesting. I like the that I love talking about that on my show.

The effects of like whatever happened to all of us in our childhoods like how do we start to lightly see that player? right? How do you think your relationship with your dad impacted the type of relationships you pursued so much?

I mean, I went through so many bad relationships and picks so many bad guys because what I think is I was so like, i've gone through a lot of therapy like, obviously like still like, I still think like it's going to go through theri to talk about these things. And i'm learning so much more every day about like what my past means to me now.

But what I think is that i'm so addicted to someone who doesn't give me everything because i've been so used to working for things in my life, working for love and affection, working for success that like, I like guys who don't give me everything all at once, because i've been so used to leg to that environment. And i've also been really used to like this fighter flight, like feeling since, like growing up, because, like the way that I group. So there, there was a lot of aggression there.

And I was just like, I had to deal with all the fighting. And then I go to school and they forget about IT or tried to whatever, so is pushing things back. And I think that in my relationships, I think that I really went towards people who gave me that fighter flight feeling again, like people who will give IT to me, but like take IT back and and like that toxicity, you know, oh, well.

you're in therapy. I like, oh, you just like literally spit out exactly oh, you're like at that point where you're like or let me just tell you exactly myself diagnosis but really from your therapies just like let me tell you what I learn no, it's it's fascinating.

I appreciate you sharing that because I think prior to like I don't know the past few years, like IT would have been like taboo to even like acknowledge and how our parents fucked us up. And even when people have perfect parents, kids are still fucked up somehow from whatever. And so I think that is really like you're very self aware in those patterns.

What LED you to the bachelor? How are we signing up? How did we get there? And did you have any like social media presents prior to that?

Yeah, that is so funny enough. Like, I don't want to give credits, my acts, the toxic acts, but but you like we were in that toxic relationship. And then I got out of IT and I was at a place mainly for I was MPA school and I just needed an and I was like, i've always been just a creative and and like have like logging, I guess like I don't. I've always like, you know, like wanted to be like a youtube at the age of talk.

but I would have been found.

Then we have been found. So then I took to tiktok, and I started talking about, like my P. A school staff in my everyday life, because I knew there was a market for, and nobody really knows what A P.

A does. So this is great. I can talk about P. A school life and have this creative of outlet that you've wanted aside from school. And then somebody came across my tiktok and D.

M, to me, was like, i'm a casting producer for the bachelor. Like, I really like your tech talks. Like, would you want to like interview for IT? And at the time I was like.

this is a joke. I was say.

did you think I was fake? I was, I was just like, just like, no way. And I, but I was, 但是 intriguing。 Like, I would maybe do an interview and see work goes. But like, i'm in school, I would never actually do this, nor of my school actually ever let me do that.

So I did the energy, whatever, came to a point where they were like, sending me contracts and they were like, can you please sign like and do like whatever? And I was like, I just don't know and I don't know. I got until, like, kind of a bad boating accident with my friends.

And IT sounds dramatic because I almost did die, but like, I hate talking about because I like everybody was fine, but a boat that basically reamed into us. And this was like a week before I ago on the show, and that was like, well, I was died. I'm gonna do IT so I called my school.

I was like, I have a opportunity. One that's gentle died bad SHE made IT were here. Why he wasn't .

seemed like I was on a boat with my friends, and like this, this boat was coming right out us, didn't see us. And I was sitting in the exact place where the boat would have decapitated me and think, god, I was paying attention because I jumped to the other side of both so quickly, and we got to crash. Like, whatever, like everybody is.

is fine after that. Like, think god.

But there was my, this was in in the keys. Yeah, yeah. But he was really that moment where I was like, I was just died and I have nothing to like, safe for this.

Like, I like, I haven't been loved. Like, like, i'm like single and lonely and i'm in P. A. School and in my entire life has been toward school. And like, I need to do something for myself.

You like, almost died, almost got to capitated. Then I really is like.

bucket.

let go. You officially agree and you get there. And were you like even comprehending what was about .

to happen in your life? God, no, I had no way. I don't think I really understand. I was so like here for love, like IT really is just like a weird way to find love, but it's what I wanted. So I wouldn't comprehending everything that would come after about.

I'm going to play a little game with you OK, because now that you are the bad red, I am so curious like when we're giving out roses and when we're not in my roses.

okay. So first of all.

let's take this up our drink, when ever just, we've just been okay the first in a bad, we could have use eyes, but my ice machine is broken cheek fucked over here, sorry again. Really gone to get you ice and like, we have no ice and established and literally, what is this establishment? How are you going? Okay, i'm going to give you a scenario and you're gna tell me if this person would get a rose for you.

Are you ready? Okay, okay. He has a girl best friend.

That's tough. That's tough. IT depends how long has you've been best friends with her as recent?

Is SHE hot. Has he tried to sleep with her before? That's the thing. Has he tried to sleep with her before?

And how do you ask a guy that I think I .

would just ask you would just say i'm the kind of person that would just owe time.

I'm hand my name is kyle kal.

Have you tried to sleep with her .

before there was being that .

or have you fucked before before?

But we're just going right in IT. Yeah and he like, no, we've just been like friends for a long time. We met through this and like we're gest friends.

Okay, interesting because I would maybe give you your rose. I think i'll give your rose for the meantime. But if the story I would be cared to see if the story continues .

to check out I G, here's the is IT fucked up to say, like I would consider myself a pretty confident person, but I obviously get jealous, right? I agree with you. Like if my partner had a girl's best friend, that was like, arly his type, yeah, I be like. Or if she's like, yeah, is in fact time to be like if she's really hot, you know like what are you two .

talking about over dinner every night right night? Here's the thing. I'm i'm also like pretty like secure myself at this point too. And I think that I would really depend on like like if we just start meeting, like if we just met and you have a group, us aren't fine, but like at some point, like I should be a group not to be like not to be cleaning, but like I should be the priority.

I should be the gw. I agree. I feel like there is a lot of different like ways you can look at if your boyfriend has a girl best friend or your film tie, your husband. I think there is like a lot of questions you do need to ask because it's like if it's like they are friends, but like because his his is his best friend's girlfriend, you know, I mean, like amazing. But if this is just like a single hottest, just thriving in the corner and you're like why you guys going to dinner by yourself?

I agree, I agree. And it's it's funny because back in the day i'd be like, i'm the cool girl and them to ask these questions. But no, you have to ask the and IT doesn't make you crazy.

makes you smart. Thank you. Like love of my men in my life, I wit and my husband love men that have been in my life. But like, i'm sorry, but like, I just have a hard time if there is no connection to the front group, but there's no connection to like childhood, we've knew each other because our mom's our best friends, and we were born in the same. Whatever.

you just make her out and he is your best friend. Red fly, yes, huge. red.

Like, okay, he is outdoor zy, and his ideal vacation isn't .

camping like clamping? Maybe, perhaps is no clamping camp like, like sticks together. Fire burning, like sleeping on the need .

we're going on hikes we're seen the bears were put up the you know.

I could do IT I could do IT I am a nature goal okay um I do prefer the glam and camp but if you know if I trust him and he's someone that I can trust to build a fire and attack the bears of the bears like, sure I could do IT I don't want to be doing in .

every day I said, really glad ing I had whisk live on like months ago and I was like, what about like camping and he's like, fuck is that he's like, you know what i'm like in my rv with like my plasma TV like like where is the TV come in to play with camping with and like how .

yeah .

OK OK okay, would you consider yourself high maintenance?

No no, I don't. But there are things .

i'm picking about for sure.

I don't only like curling my hair, like I want to make sure my hairs curled all the time, like I don't like having strap here, but we can do that the woods. And that's why we're ever I would need to go clamping with R, V. And the plasma TV in ways. And then an outlet from exactly all .

these things have to perfectly alive. You will go to the words and specifically with cause. If I have .

to be specifically, yes.

okay, he's a mama's boy.

Gosh, like how bad of a maa sport like he's calling her for everything every second, every day. You're not going to go rose for me. I can do that. I just I love someone has a good relationship with their mom. But there's gotta a time where you fly the us, you know and at this age, at my old age, if my man is is twenty six, twenty one at twenty nine, thirty and still calling his mom.

yeah IT gets a little like IT gets a little sad when it's like, why keep calling mummy? And like i've guys like com my after our sex and like, I don't know yeah you pretty much a he moton .

dumped and he was like, mom.

that's what I knew was like, I think like really missing something here like something feels off and like, I don't want to be a part of this. Okay, how quickly do you introduce someone you're seeing to your family?

I usually don't like i've never introduced anyone to my family before um because my film I can be very judgemental, okay and they're are very critical. So I think um I you know wouldn't want to introduce one until I felt like I was the right person.

right? I'm assuming obviously you had to introduce people in the season to your family. Were you proud of your family?

I am so part of my i'm so proud of they were exactly themselves, jack. I was like, they're gonna shy. They were not no, they were .

not shy. They spoiled.

Every time I got, I say too much, I know yeah.

fair.

And I think that's very yeah. I mean, they are not afraid to speak their mind. yeah.

And I mean, why would baby? Yes so yeah, I I was interest in some parts for sure. I always.

oh my god, if I ever want on a show like that.

like how would my parents .

handle being on TV? Like how was your family on TV? Like where they anxious, where they asking you pointless? Like.

well, so like my brother not shed all he was himself like, whatever that my mom, my family mother, he was like, actually I called you, you're to hire a new mom. I'm not going on t not doing IT like it's just not me.

but it's not me and then I .

come to find out that before he came on for the episode that he was therefore SHE was practicing lines in english for the weeks beforehand. But I wanted to make her counter when he was there was mom, you can speak, I means like it's time because i'm bin well, like, I can speak IT and I I was like, I think this is a beautiful moment for people be able to really see what our family is like like, I don't speak english. My mom most of time and SHE was like, no, I can do IT like I could speak because she'd been processing for for so many weeks .

so and when I heard that, I feel so show way and then you being so sweet, being like, mom, be yourself like.

it's okay yeah IT IT was a sad moment like, because I didn't know that she's been practicing and I was like pressuring her to just beer herself and I got, I didn't know, but I mean, that all was fine, but he was very nervous. Like, SHE is not the type of person that wants to be on camera like ever okay.

I think that's like Better. Can I be like on its like a kind of freaks me out in the parents. Like you can tell like the money in the camera, you're looking for a real housewives to pick you right up.

They're like looking a little to prevent problem, like whole god you like. They like practice their lines together. I think it's more genuine at the parents is like i'm just here to support my daughter or my son and like we did he end up ever speaking .

vietnam's SHE did one point, one point I kept telling her speak the means. And SHE tried to, and then SHE like, forgot IT and started speaking english. And i've never seen this woman forget you in her wife.

I was like, what is going? SHE nervy. SHE was so nerves, but he eventually, like the nervous.

come down and so .

proud of you. SHE was, yeah, he was so proud of you.

Um okay, his ideal weekend is going to the club and I am not going rose me .

at the age were too old for that.

okay. So you're not down for the parties over the weekend.

I am sometimes, but the fact I live me and it's like when I first move there, I was doing in every weekend and like this is not a sustainable life, especially in school. So I had to really limit myself and now I really only like go out out when like friends are visiting, like people are down there and they want to have a good time, like i'll go and celebrating whatever or get a first day um but to do every weekend I cannot do that too old. Okay.

if he was on this season and he was often in the middle of drama, is he getting a rose?

Drama can go a lot of different ways. So it's like, why are you in the middle of drama? Like do you start IT or people just jealous of you? Or or or what is that? What is that? So it's pence.

Did you feel like you had to suss out and where you good at IT? Like obviously, there's always drama, but were you good? There's always in a season. And like someone is either being misrepresented by the did you find yourself being good at sussing out? Like if they were being honest, if they were being a little shit?

Yes, absolutely. I think I very much have like a gut feeling that I trust and. There were definitely certain men that I trusted more than others, and was their drama, yes, and that I have to saw things out for myself. Yes, I did. And i'd like to say that I, you know, my god, was right at the end of the day.

Well, now that we know you dealt with tunnel boy like right.

literally like unto .

gue do not fuck with me. I know a little peace ship when I see yes. Okay, we're out of the game and now just going ask you about that.

So we're moving on. okay. You have to tell me as we're kind of talking about this, like what was IT like dating? Like how many men twenty seven, twenty five try to article like I didn't remember .

other names on anyone. I'm not going to lie about that like I really did IT right. IT was strAngely like the first thing that was strAngely easy for me to like flute, because i'm a natural fluid. So I found IT easy to kind of get along with everybody.

And then as time went on, like he was very easy for me, like be in the moment with each and every single one of them, which I found surprising because I thought, like, if I was with one, maybe I be thinking of the other advice first and what not. But I very much was in the moment with each and every one of them. amazing. So I was in too hard. But I also feel saying that I was not hard during twenty five minutes.

He, when you actually, what's weird if you said that I actually kind of agree, is like the hardest part of dating the twenty five minutes, probably remembering all their names yeah and then I think probably when you're down to .

like seven IT definitely got a hard right like IT was easier compartment lies at birth because there were so many of them in the beginning the feelings weren't assholes, right? But towards the end, like yeah, was a little bit more difficult when I got down to like whatever amount there was because of feelings were so much stronger okay. Yeah.

you have to tell me, when you're in the first row ceremony, do you have an ear piece? And no, how do you be like Jimmy r and Jimmy t kill one. And like, how do you know who to call you?

Okay, tell i'm going to let you in on, okay, I so you can have to like, try your best to remember, right? But like if you need a little help like you, you can phone a one, okay.

you can be like, can I have a minute? yes. And you can go back to the room and they're like, this is Jimmy r.

And this is G. T. And Jimmy t has a black hair. Jenny, like, got IT. They're like, Jimmy tee, here's the rest and he think you really thinking so hard about him might like the .

because this guys what was more like I know giving this one of rose just like give me .

like the first letter and maybe but no.

your piece so no ear piece it's more of like, hey.

are they with one with no, there's all these no, no one can care about this on A B, C. If you're like, how does that work? How can you actually do they yell like.

no, I kind of leave the stand for a second and I go, please tell me, tell me which one this is because I for no.

can you can I say thank you because every time I watch i'm little ally sweating not and i'm swell because I like, yeah, how gonna remember? Like, who is that guy in the court? I don't even know his face, okay.

And otherwise I was hot. One kind of hot one like cheese is looking otherwise is going to be like that. So okay.

have any of your ex reached out to you since the bachelor or the season of the bachelor?

Ince, the bachelor, yeah yeah yeah um saying White.

So oh god.

he really putting with some bluster .

kind of fun now.

yes. So there was one x boyfriend who there's too. So there's this one day I did like three years ago in boston and I first moved there and we did like two months very briefly like and then we were really good friends after the fact. And so we've been in touch here and there.

I've gone a family vacations with him for like we're just like very we're friends though, you know I mean maybe benefit here there but but I would never dig him again just because we're just such different people and we know that certain things don't work for us so we're good friends and that's that's where it's that but yeah I mean, after the battle, I think he reached out and a more maybe like serious manner. And I was like entertaining IT as like my friend because say, I like attention and what. But I knew that I was never actually gonna be with him because I was like, there's just, i've been there before before I want to do IT again, but I care about him as a friend very deeply.

So there was that. And I don't. We were supposed to go, okay, so we was also wedding together in columbia, like both the whole thing happened. And then when I happened, I was, I got kind of of this wedding because i'm going to find the love of my life, hopefully. Yes, so he was a little disappointed.

Ted, yeah, but I get that it's like revisiting something from the past. IT feels familiar and I can feel like, oh, like, why not just like go to wedding and .

like date a free trip to columbia I was like, yeah, i'm single I can do that .

very White but then also knowing like in your heart like he's just you see him as a friend yeah you're like, yeah i'm going to go and like, see if I can date and spine person that i'm in love absolutely who was the other one?

The other of the toxic ex, where we were in a relation to four year. And he and sent me this whole long letter about like everything that he did wrong. And I remember like for the longest time, that's all I wanted from him, right? IT was an apology.

And when I was reading, yeah, I was like, getting pissed off. I was, this is fucked up. Like, I don't I don't want the letter because I made me angry at the way he treated me and that he took in this long and apologize.

And I was kind of like, what the fuck was this for? This was for you, not for me. Like, i've heal these wounds.

I don't need you to heal them. For me, this is you healing yourself. So I basically liked the message and was like, good luck.

No jet. I'm obsess because I think a lot of people, it's kind of like once you lose something, sometimes people understandably like recognized the worth when they like see them with someone new and then you're like bucked, did I buck up? Like should I have left that person? I feel like for you that must be like slightly vindicating to be like now you want to reach out and apologize like now.

right? Like after everything of.

What is the most valuable lesson that you learned about yourself throughout .

the whole process that it's okay to have a voice, in fact, it's Better to have a voice? Um for the longest time I didn't stand up for myself. I didn't feel comfortable in like expressing what I need and what I want. And throughout this whole journey, I was able to really find my voice and and like really be myself and and let these guys know like who I am and what I want. And I wasn't just coasting by anymore because in the past i've always just been like afraid to, like, talk about certain things, or afraid to sing up for myself, because I thought that IT would make someone love me last or look at me differently. But at the other day, it's, this is why you and i'm gonna have a voice and you're going to take IT or leave IT.

And if you leave IT, you're not my person. I really appreciate you saying that because I understand, like reality, TV has its perks and its samples. But I will say think something that the bacheller has always done very incredibly is like you guys are having like really intense conversations that there is no distractions.

There is no like I know on some shows there's like drinking and party in and like nights like this is like a very insulted environment where you're having to be like let's talk about the real shit and like let's get to the crops like who you are, who I am. And I think that's amazing that you're like i'm almost breaking an environment where you're like I have to be vulnerable, yes. And who do I want to be vulnerable with those who do I maybe not feels comfortable .

to open up to exactly it's such a concentrated environment that is impossible not be vulnerable. And I agree, it's like in some instance, ces like if you were vulnerable and the guy didn't handle at the right way, like, okay, but then you're not my person, right? So IT creates like certain moments like that were able to really get to the needy, greedy of what a real relationship would be like because it's so fast track.

I also just think about that whenever IT starts to get down to the wire, it's like when you have like eight guys left, let's say six guys like how are you because like you have a time line yeah like you can't just like be like dilly darling and like until you you you inna have IT like the rose ARM money is now you have to decide yeah how in moments where you were like maybe a little torn on like who to send home like what were those like deciding factors of how you knew how to like okay. I mean, to let this one go over this one, if you were like, every torn.

think about the end of the day, really went down till I could I see a life with this person. So if they had had something in the past that like, really was a red flag for me, or really just like, didn't work with what I wanted in my future, like but I still had fun with them. I knew in my god I was like I have to let them go because this one thing is not onna work and it's something that we want to be able to work there. Um so yeah where other times or I went down to the wire? Oh, I don't know but then I did know if I really thought about I was like this works right now but it's not gonna work forever.

right? Yeah are you happy with the way that this season ended?

I think that's the way everything, like, played out was exactly the way that I was supposed you. And the ending was the right ending for me. So i'm happy, yes, for me, because everything was a way that I I was supposed to go.

Do you think people are gonna shocked by the ending or this like a like people are going to be like, okay, we like, saw this coming. This is good. Or is IT like I like, are people going to be uneasy er of like only about IT what is happening? Okay, I got tell me thinking about my words.

we will become argue engaged well, because I don't think that I really saw the way I ended like I don't think I saw the ending the way IT was proposed to end like for a while, you know. I mean, like I don't think I saw I don't think that I knew how I was going to end, right? You go into thinking that it's going to be a certain way. And do you think that I have really surprised myself in the end? So i'm happy, but I I think people will be shot for sure.

Okay, fantasy sweet tile is called at.

How have been waiting for?

How much do you like in your brain? Like allow that to affect your decision? Like for you, everyone's different. I know.

Like some people were like, all my god, if you slept with everyone, then i'll kill you and I can't be with you. Or some people like, intimate is a big part. Like, how did you in your brain like approach fantastic y sort because that's like a yeah big thing.

I would be lying if I didn't say IT was a concern like obviously, i'm thinking in the back of my head like how was this going affect each individual relationship? Yeah but at the end of day, I needed to do what was right for the individual relationship like I couldn't think about the other guys that we're there because that would be doing a disservice to myself.

And at the end of the day, I thought to myself if anyone who didn't understand position that I was in and had a problem with that, that's on them, and then they weren't my person at the end of IT all. But what I really approached the fantasy sweets with is like those that was kind of the time I really talk about, like financial, like ligion. I've freaking I don't know who did you vote for, like all that kind of stuff that like you can't talk about, like on camera because care about what you're .

like before you take your shirt off yeah you just let me know you vote for logs like you just quickly i'm sad because these are the things you need to know .

before you like potentially commit the rest of your life with somebody. Great point.

It's like you guys are having all like the emotional, like romantic conversations. But now let's get down like if we live here, right? How's this gonna go?

Are you gona move to where I move? Are you? Are you opens of practicing the religion that I went to practice like all these little things that like that matter like, yeah.

do you have like in your head like, you know who's going to be that bill? And that was just .

a little piece or oh yeah, because I called IT out from there with.

do you think you know who could like potentially be the next battle?

I think I do what I think I do, I say, but I think I do.

Yeah, you think you got?

I think I do. I don't know. I'm right. But of course I think I D do. I think like there is a lot of great guys yeah season but I do you think one stands out in particular that I think could be yeah could be great great for somebody but not for me.

perfect. Yeah okay. Last question. What do you want people to know about you before tuning? And to this season.

I think I want people to know that i'm a very dynamic person and that you can judge me base of based off of one line that I say, or one seam that you see, or one interview that I had because I have a lot of different layers to me, like any other human being here. And I think often times people are are like quick to judge on the internet, because they see one thing, one snip, IT, whatever. And I think that I have a lot of different layers to me. And also for the season, I think that um there's a lot of growth there. And so I like a little sf .

journey. yeah. Je, i'm so excited for you. I'm so happy I got to sit down with you. You are, you are amazing, obviously on the bachelor, but like getting to be with you for an hour plus like you're lovely person and i'm so happy, no matter what the outcome I can tell you happy if whatever were about to watch on the season. Like I know I will be tuning in.

I'm very excited for you and like I just made me even want to watch more now like getting to know you. And also like known about pin fall should like, goodbye jet modified her man, okay, leave us alone. We're moving on.

But or SHE gonna fall into the old. Yes, oh, my god. Thank so.

Thank god. Screaming at my T. V, when you are going on the date, would like to do so.

Like 这， you'll have to text me.

I can to hear at all. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.