Anna Kendrick: Pitch Perfect, Twilight & Relationships
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What is that daddy game? IT is your founding father, alex Cooper, with call. And a kroc, welcome to color. Di, i'm so happy were doing this. We've never take you.

Should I get rid of my phone?

Only you put on silent. It's not taking what you.

But okay OK, okay. I just think .

is you get like an important call. Who would be calling you?

No one.

No fine. Are you big texter?

Oh yeah. I'm always like, if you need to get a hold on me like you, you're gonna have to text me. If you want an email back, you're going to have to wait like two weeks. You might as well send me a postcard in the mail.

I'm so bad on my email. Are you of those people that like a thousand plus emails, are you like deleting?

I think IT was. You know that okay. So you know that this is not interesting, but you know that period between Christmas and yours, we are like, what do what? Where are we? And like, time has no meaning. I was like, i'm going to know my email box because I did have one of those because I was like, what else are we do and I I am one of those people and I hate that about me, that i'm one of those people that has, like.

I have the same thing. If anyone called, I am, don't answer.

and I someone die. This is bad news.

This is terrible. I don't .

like confrontation. No, I I don't like communication people, I don't know. No, that's not sure. Mostly, yeah, no, yeah.

You have to text me. OK really like being an actress now like obviously director, but like what is your like day off? Like what are you up to when you're not working?

I'm trying to get mint to grow in my garden. I'm trying i'm trying to really like be a homemaker, not a homework. Er doesn't what I mean. I mean i'm trying to like do something physical and tangible that I can go like, wow, I and I grew this meant and now i'm putting IT in a cocktail because that is closed i'm ever going to get to cooking and I don't know they're think about like devoting your entire life to this very weird thing of like pretending to be another person and you know like crying on q in front of a room of of people you met three days ago and whatever that you're like, I don't make anything physical, you know. I mean like so I I feel like I always trying to find like I should really take up hitting or something like I just want to like make something that I can hold and go like I made this. Okay.

to give you a little bit more credit, you are making something that I mean like I mean.

it's not like it's not real, but there is just something like .

fleeting about IT. I know.

Are you this all .

evidence as such? Just trying to figure like what is the mean of being an actor in life? No, but I get we are singing like I want something tangible A K ament. It's a little odd that meant is the one thing in your guard thousand.

a lot of cocktail.

S, what can are you making good .

cocktail and trying yeah I went yeah when I I was like, I wanted be able to, like, have people over and be able to and be able to offer them a refreshment. But like i'm never gonna cut and that's never gonna en.

Okay, for ten I come over, what are you making me for a drink?

What do you have like a specific .

I like to kill that and vodkas. So I kind of like, I can go either way. I like a moscow meal. I like a margo reda.

Moscow is are super, super easy and we love. But um there's like a watermelon vodka cocktail that I like. I I also feel like people tend to come over and say that they drink anything.

But jen, but je makes great cocktails. Ils like drinking je straight crazy people. I don't know what that's about, but um but IT makes really great. Um like cockles is especially you want to sell something up and also if you like want to commit to doing an egg de form, IT gets it's really easy and people are like absolutely blown away .

that you've created away already we an egg phone yeah .

there the key is doing a dry shake in your shaker with the a great before you add ice. And then I will really and then you add all the other gradients and then add ice and then I will actually like, stay for me and know, just put a little like spring of law under or something on top and like, people are like, oh my god, how did you do that?

Me on the dub bitch.

that's like, so that you me impressive yeah that's okay.

That's good to know. What is one thing you can't leave the house without?

Um oh god, probably chapstick like i'm one of those people that I like. I I like a drawer full of chaps x and yeah same yeah and I like all the different flavors. And the, oh, what's you go to? I really like the birds, bees. There's like a paleo.

Are you fucking with me? No, you you're fucking with me.

no. What laughing .

you fucking talk to someone.

Are you doing on my life, on my dad? old? No absolute. What is happening.

anna.

you are not about to do that.

Me right now, you don't understand. That's sick. No, you don't get IT.

I might have IT in my funny part. I'm not joking. You have .

wrote .

of any pack.

You know what?

Where I got a lot right now don't make of my fanta. First of all, that's now I feel like you're fucking with me. That's crazy.

okay.

I have A I feel like you just I feel like you're like the mentalist, like you're Chris Angel and you're like you .

mean this point that whichever you said, you like road lips on my .

boot I also like the sweet Violet, but I was like, well, that's not really I that's attended lip I don't know that's something else so I like palestrina.

I'd like the palma grant because that .

gives you that a little the tiny st tent yeah I .

what happening? We are not kidding without you're doing a bit no what are you like fucking with me?

Have you like talk and I and .

idio you know everyone that like really really knows me like, you know the author mean where he's like, got the first yeah I always have this in and anywhere you look like any i'm doing. I have IT somewhere on my body and I have an entire bowl, my house in every single song. I have a bowl in my house of all the paleo and next to my bathroom sink, and I just pick one up every day. And I opened a new one. And I use IT until I love IT.

And then I go back. I D love you, and I would like that.

creepy. It's really creepy. But I think the reason I love chapstick so much is because I have this feeling. It's like the ik of myself, as if I don't have my lips somewhat moisture ze. I feel like that is goes and is like almost contingent with having bad breath, like I do when you see someone with chap lips .

like they must have bad breath no, no I think that yeah I haven't thought about IT but like so consciously yeah yeah i'm just going to lean a way.

Okay so you're chopin girl yeah good to know you are probably good breath. Haven't got ten close enough to you today, but we'll see later. Um what is the most high maintain thing about you?

Um I pRobing my hair um I because I have i'm like a secret curly why i'm like a secret like like Carry rusal in felicity level. Curly.

you have gorgeous hair.

Well, you know really what my hair looks like yeah and I ve been like, I haven't like I bought, I started. I was on that a natural like, you know curly hair um journey. Like I let my therapies see me with my like real hair that big steps and like like two of my best friends in my house have like come over and I like I I should let you know that I have let my hair dry naturally and i'm in a very vulnerable place because I just I was one of those things that I always felt like um messy because I think like when i've really started to be like all I need to like start learning how to like blow out my hair and whatever was went like pin straight hair was IT IT was went like tiny but and superstate hair was the the height of female attractiveness. Ss, so I just felt like, yeah I don't know, almost like the chap lip things where I was just constantly like doing that, you know just china um like make my hair be like flat. And when a IT would get like freshy, if I would go to a concert, whatever, I would just be like freaking out about IT like .

humility you like I have to leave.

I have to have the concert I was seeking um like all the fucking energy and time that I think we all spend without even thinking about IT about lake okay well, okay. If I wash my hair at this time and then how long going to take to do my blow out and if I shaved my legs on this day, i'll have stuff for that well but like and just it's always just running in the background. It's it's exhAusting. It's so exhAusting .

and it's so dumb because we notice so much more about ourselves. Like, I bet if you had, you're curly here here. Oh, I love your curly hair.

We, what is your therapy? You, when did you do like a big reveal? Like, I am going to show you now on zor .

in person o and I think you, I was still, this is so boring, but I was still like self concious about IT. So I pulled back like, you know, like a half of path down thing and so he was sort of like, oh, where are you going like that? I know that I was like IT just looked different because I usually just like wear IT in like a bun in a headband.

Um so I think he thought that I was like going somewhere so as well that's that's encouraging. SHE wasn't like what happened. Um but yeah, i'm still like gw still on a journey. Well, you know what? We're going to support .

you on that journey. Your hair looks amazing today, but I bet IT would also look amazing if IT was curly. K anyways, you've been making movies for two decades. What do you think you would be .

doing if you hadn't pursue acting? Oh, god, I god helped me. I don't know what I really don't. I mean, I feel like, obviously I didn't get into show business because I hate attention.

So there's that peace um like when people ask me that question, I feel like I usually just say like oh i'd have a big career, something but like I don't know, I would be so screwed. Like I actually remember when um when I was seventeen eighteen whatever whatever I like moved. Uh to L A um I was really, really jealous of all my friends that were going to college number one, because they felt really insecure about not going to college.

You know complex about IT um but I was also all you know on the phone like hearing about this exciting new chapter that was sort of laid out for them and you know going to classes and joining a severity and um you know having this like immediate community and I was in L A I was like seventeen, eighteen. It's really hard to make friends in L A, because of like the way the cities is laid out, but especially when you don't have a fake idea. And even if I did, I looked about twelve, so that wasn't going to work anyway.

And I was just like, absolutely terrified and really wondering if I was like making a huge mistake. And then the weirdest thing was that when everybody entered their soft more year, I I was still like just, you know, trying to get in the door and all that. But I then noticed that when I would get on the phone with friends of mine who were in college, they were suddenly, all of them soft, more having a total crisis, because freshman year was like, this is so exciting, and there's this new chapter.

And like, my whole life is ahead of me, and i'm making these friends. And in soft maria IT felt like, okay, i'm back with the same people in that great and um i'm picking my classes for this year and that's great um but what do I wanted do with my life? Like there's no longer just to the excitement of like oh my god, for parties and, you know, the college experience, it's like, oh, I have to figure out what I want.

And so even though the thing that I want anted felt like a total pipe dream, yes. And like, what am I doing? This is a disaster.

It's so hard to carve out a space for yourself in this industry. But on the other side of the holy shit, I did not think like, what a blessings to just know what I want. And I was like watching all my friends go, oh my god, I don't know what what I want.

what to do and is so interesting, like because I went to college and I remember from a Young age, I like knew I wanted to be in like, I knew I wanted to create. I knew I want to to do something in this industry. But my mom kept just being like, no, you have to do school.

You have to do school and then you can do IT later. And I resented that so much for a while. But hearing like the difference, like, again, everyone wants what they don't have.

Like being in college wishing by sofi was like, get me the fuck out of, know exactly what I want to do but you being like watching all the kids in all age and you would like that was a big and security of mind. Like why was IT security though? Because you were like, I don't have an education .

technically of totally, totally. So I think my family really values um like traditional education for good reasons, bad reasons whatever. And so I was like the first person to not go to college um and my dad was a teacher and everything. So I was like very black sheep behavior to not go to college.

Where are they okay with? You're not going to college.

yeah. I mean, I think they knew I was gonna what I wanted to do. But I think there was always that sense of like, well, if things maybe don't work out that first year is it's not too late to just you know so I think that was always like is something that they had in mind.

But um I don't think they were thrilled, which is understandable. Um but yeah I then like just worried about like, oh my god, I didn't I didn't go to call, you know I don't know. It's like I get IT.

I think it's like in a great way. I do think like the concept of education now is becoming a little bit more lenient where people you don't need to go to college to be X, Y, Z. And it's interesting because you were right on the right path.

But because of like societal standard, like if you're smart, you go to college IT probably felt so distributing when you're watching, all these people do like the natural next step. Really, you just skip the big step and then you you got ahead on your career. But IT doesn't mean you can't still feel and to care about IT of like in conversation having to be like, oh, I didn't go to college. C, I get that, especially if your family was like, go school, go school and your dad being .

a teacher totally. And I think now that i'm like older IT, it's less of a thing. But like early twenty, that's like part of the conversation. Like, oh, where are you go to college? I didn't like how oh my god, I have to say I didn't and by that at that point, like you like twenty one, twenty two, I didn't really have much to show for IT yet like then some things happened IT was less of an issue but yeah like, oh, I didn't go to college because I wanted to become an actor and it's like, how's that going? Well, you know, I think I got someones i'm hearing my phone ring so but I like.

what are you and you're like, be back soon. Go to a go. I get that talking about your family though you were raised in maine, right born and raised in maine. What were you like as a kid?

I think I was really um like hyper vigilant, like I was really in everybody's business a little bit um but I think that I was even thinking like a couple weeks ago about how I do one of my many toxic traits is A I do kind of walk around with like a little bit of a all right who's trying to fuck me over, you know and I I was like, I don't know there's a chance that it's like, oh, oh, you're spelling bedtime you think I don't you think I don't know what's happening here. You like just, I don't know just being real aggressive about like how I wanted things done and like your opinion, but I don't I can't really tell if that comes from childhood or from like working in an industry where i'm sure you've experiences it's like you agreed to certain things and then it's like, oh, and can we also do this thing that would be really humility for you and not like pay you any extra money or check with you in a ask you in front of a group people so if you say no, you'll look like a bitch. You know so i'm just always like, alright.

who in this room is trying that's so interesting that you're like, did that happen when I was something I cannot remember because you started in the industry at what like ten you started .

really getting into IT? Yeah I I I started kind of auditioning for things when I was ten and I I booked my first gig when I was twelve. Um so but I mean, I wasn't auditioning all the time because I lived in mine and so either one of my parents had to drive me to new york city for like a fifteen minute dish and they were like, well, sweet love you but jesus. Um so eventually um my brother and I would take a grey hunt bus from maine to new ork and that's one of the situations where uh, we were in that I auditioned for this show that I ended up getting and we were in new york and they asked me, um are you cool to like stay for a call back tomorrow and I was always just told, like, we'll just say, just say, yeah, you'll figured out later so I was like, absolutely, I will see you tomorrow. No problem and my brother and I like then are just like, okay, we need to find a hotel in new .

york city know .

what you will love IT i'm twelve he's thirteen or fourteen and so uh we found a hotel and my parents called the hotel and fixed a credit card and told them like yes yes will be along shortly and they're in main um and so I like wash my underwear in the sink and then just like put on this, let me in locally there is like a thing or if you get a call back here, it's kind of conventional ism that you should wear the same thing.

So that didn't seem like I was the gross kid with one per close and underwear but so then the next day the same thing happened and again, IT was like, no problem I will see you again in the morning and had to do IT again. Um and then um they hold that you right um they did ask me because I was wearing combat boots and they were like, can you because the part was for like a little rich girl OK. So they were like, could you like wear something like, you know we just like to see you in more of a kind of sunday best outfit and um and specifically someone mentioned my shoes so was wearing this like ready car again and like ripped jeans and these the combat boots but I was like, oh, the solution will be to go to the newest pylons and find like White church strapped sandals and so like with like the last twenty dollars that we had. I like boat this pair of sandals, like dress sandals and wear those with my lady cardigan and genes and and then like wander in and I think they were just like a fuck like yeah fine whatever great um and then we were on a greyhound bus home and we had this phone for emergencies and that wrong and I was like, hey, you're going to be .

on broadway i'm like trying to picture twelve year old me walking around in new york city with my brother, whose two years older than me. I'm like, how the hell were you not even scared?

I think that we just thought I was like, such an adventure. And I think we also, like, wanted to be like, cool new york city kids. So cking bad, right, that we were just like, this is so Normal um I can't remember if we were like low key freaking out or not, but we I know that I mean, even when I went there at seventeen， I did this show at new orsi Opera. And I remember like writing the subway to work and seeing like all my god you know you see those gorgeous girls who are like going to american ballet um and being like and like king of them and being like um we're really doing IT oh my god, i'm in new york and i'm going to work and i'm going to work on this way and it's like not a big deal ital which if you're thinking about IT like that it's a huge fucking and deal to you I was I had no chill. Um but that was but .

that sweet yeah okay, all of this is happening. I know that you were nominated for a tony award when you were just twelve, so I came from that OK. What did kids in school .

think it's weird again? Like I don't know if you would experience something like this, but there were several moments where IT felt like, if I mentioned anything to the kids at school, they don't get around, understandably, sort of thought I was like talking about something else like, like, like in the same way that if someone in my school in like middle or high school, had been like, oh, I am going to a olympic trials, I would be like, so there's some kind of like local like, oh, it's the olympic ooks, you know.

I mean, like, I would just be like, no, you're not right. Like because that just doesn't make sense because we're from main. Like what are you talking about? I remember having um like a really little indie film in the sense from the festival when I was six sixteen and going to sentence.

And I remember one of my close friends, one of my like best friends called me and was like, that's so weird there's something on um on the news about I think IT was I could be getting this mixed up but I think IT was like the year that britain's spears and like fred ders went to sundance there's something I maybe maybe I who whose ating with some other story I don't know um but he called me and he was like, yeah they're act like the sun dance film festival and isn't that so weird because you are just saying that you're doing something called sunday ance but it's like happening at the same time and I was like I met on dance. I met these sentence. I met these sentence. Mean, that's why I was so fucking .

and excited about really i'm here .

with me sphere yes and and like SHE was like a close friend. So I think like there's an an understandable thing that happens where you're just like.

yes, not you. They didn't get here, they didn't get IT. So and you didn't talk about IT over the topic where like people would even have a concept of.

no, no, I mean, even I think there was a hope, a luckily very brief window where a IT was kind of like a teasing situation. So I was like, I knew Better than to be like running my mouth about IT too much people .

would make of yeah and that's so meanwhile, take everyone wants to be a movie .

star I don't know. I think just drawing any attention to yourself in medal particularly this was like in middle school like rape after I did the the boy show. It's like you just want to disappear like I think people talk about high school as being cut through out middle school, oh, was so much career to IT was .

so horrible I completely free. High schools, actually like I started to get my shit together. Middle school, I was terrified .

and I I remember feeling like just like trying to be like a moving pile of laundry, you know, just wearing like the biggest clothes and just trying so far and hard not to draw any attention here. Yes.

so you obviously start to become so successful. Like, was your family like, oh, this is Normal.

You know, I found some success and then I think this is pretty typical for for um entertainment stuff that like the money really follows like several years later, there's that period where you're like, okay, i'm like nokia a little famous, but I am so fucking broke IT would make you tear up how broke I am um so you're kind of trying to fake IT till you make IT. Um but like I had brought my family to the Oscars and you know there was a really interesting moment a few years later when I like bought my first place and I had them at my place and I was like you could feel the energy, particularly for my mom and dad of like, oh okay, okay, okay and IT wasn't a mention but I was just like, oh, you're gonna a be OK because they were obviously like very proud and but there are things with like awards and reviews where that's great but it's still really abstract yeah and to just see something solid where IT was like, okay are crazy daughter who didn't go to college like has managed to buy a home you know I was like I could feel not so much like pride but that they were actually like, oh, you made IT OK yeah IT all worked out like we .

don't have to worry about now heard like going back to college and trying to figure .

out something out completely. She's not going to move in with us and like.

drain a strike. Yeah, love. You've bent in so many great movies. I wanted talk you about a few of them today. We got to start with pitch perfect, obviously.

We got to start with pitch perfect, obviously. What was that audition .

process like? Well, you know, I think that the most interesting peace or the peace that has certainly followed me around is, uh, when I auditioned, they need you you to just like proof that you could sing um and I was like, well, I know how to do this thing.

There's a cup and there's a song and I could do that so I was just because I was like, what where else might not do IT because I was like lame enough and dark enough to bothered like learning this thing um and so I did IT for my audition and they were like we should put that in the movie and originally in the script like backup my character's audition song was i'm a little teacup which I I keep meaning to ask the writer k. cann. Like, was that meant to be like, funny? Like, how was that of? Were, how was I supose to play that, I don't know, was .

always.

do you like A A Christinia ega a version of my mental? Or was IT to be like, like, like, oh, I like, resent that I have to do this and but I sound fine. How do I guess like that? I mean, I on somebody to tell me like what the vibe was supposed to be, right? But luckily I don't have to picking that out.

So they were like, well, let's do that for for because audition and I was like great making use of a useless skill. And then um then people when they saw the movie like would ask about IT and stuff. And so then the studio was like, we should release this as a single.

And I was like, what do you fun going to do? And more this is a single that's so embarrassing, i'm so embarrass for us. So they had me like going into the studio for twenty minutes, a hit that was made in twenty minutes.

And just like seeing the rest of the song, and I was like in there with a stool and a cup doing the cop in this weird studio, and then they were like, what if we did a music video? And again, I was like, are we what's going on? This is so you guys i'm so embarrassed for you like I just was like, there's no way anybody would care about this like I whatever um and so we like make this music video and then IT like which is, by the way, why am I saying this phrase? Why is this phrase coming out of my mouth? IT started climbing the charts.

Like, why is this a part of my story in my life? Like, I was just like, what's what is fuck in happening? This is so out of the realm of anything that supposed to be happening. And I always thought, like because I was in the meeting of makings ness, like indie film, and i'd be getting like text from people going like it's just like gotto the top ten of like billboards, top one hundred and I was like in the basement of some church like shooting this tiny little india ilm meanwhile, I think IT was like, I think IT was speaking of the times. Miley cyrus and mac lore was like in also in the top ten and so I I always just think like they must have been like, what the fuck is this shit?

Like, who is this girl? What is this? How dare you? I'm out here like busting my eyes on good morning america, putting on a live performance and this like freak show, whatever this fucking is, is in the top ten.

How dare I? What on earth I would hate me? I would hate me.

Did you ever learn to be like down?

That is good. They did send me a one.

I guess IT was kind of.

I guess.

what the same that you're like. This is so fucking embarrassing, you guys. And meanwhile, it's like the entire world learn this shit. I remember trying to learn at anna.

okay? No, didn't.

Oh, I tried, of course, that everyone IT.

Oh right.

Your face, I couldn't really do IT you show your face? You're fucking invented. It's so crazy that you brought that to the movie and they were like, yes um okay I just realized also while you were talking, which is fun, is I have had on you brit snow, adam divine and I have had on rebel oh G I have almost had like the entire cost collecting all .

the pokemon ah yeah i'm kind .

having a good time. How would you describe your guy's friendship on that cast?

Um honestly, I I I use this word in the two sense of a like we are a family like truly in the sense like we didn't choose each other like we didn't ask to be in each other's lives in this way and were so bonded. And IT does feel there's something really not to be lame. There's something very magic about IT because so often like you'll do a big job and y'll like one or two people maybe that you keep in touch with. And there the people that are like the most similar to you and we're all really, really different. And after like three movies, you're like, I think this is like a not getting rid of each other kind of situation.

I think the entire world is happy. It's not getting of each other .

situation and also I think that I am very avoided. So like actually like cracking that shell and like being in my life like IT IT takes some persistence. So like brita is always joking that she's like, well, your phone is all all White or whatever that know the blue test you get IT you get because she's like always texting me and just being like I know you're gonna reply but um you know I think that i'm kind of like certainly the imagine of the group but IT is like almost like everybody has A A role yeah and no, like you britain, I kind of like bring the party and I bring the grapes.

Ss, I guess, you know, but I am like it's really interesting because even the girls that are not like one of the closest girls, like when they're going through something, I get the call and and IT IT makes me feel so good um because I do feel like that kind of my role in the group is like if if you're in jail, like my shoes are on, we're i'm gona we're getting you out tonight. I don't know how but we're going figured out out where's like if you need help with like party invitations like i'm gonna freeze up and be like I I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what to do, I don't know so I have to leave the room right now. Call brittney. yeah. Call berney.

please. Colbert y it's so fun to know that you in berney snow are so close because I don't know. IT like, set something right in the world that I like, that you guys are friends. I think IT also is nice because obviously as like consumers, we know that sometimes on movie sets, like people don't get along and there's something oddly satisfying about how amazing those movies are. And knowing you guys are so close, like it's just a fun IT made me really happy.

I saw some of the girls from the move, the original, the craft, having dinner once. And I was, you guys.

your friends are really like.

legit makes you happy. IT made me so fucking happy. So I do. I would be like, oh, I wouldn't think anyone would like care. I. But seeing the craft girls, I was like, this is so beautiful and you get so much to me. So now.

when people are crying, when they see you guys out together, you get IT. How are we getting a fourth one?

Oh, I have no idea. I'm always like. I'm always like, rebel is kind of like the steam train of the I like she's always like, I think we should do that and i'm like, well then great we should. I agree, i'm just here for I just be back up.

I guess I would love that .

because like we're also um busy and i'm so happy that everybody y's so like busy and successful in doing so much that actually getting like whatever you know the ten of us in the room is like impossible. So it's usually like maybe six of us at a time you know try to like a have a little reunion. So IT does feel like the thing that would actually get us all in a room again is like the the movie. So that's that's my best reason .

I will watch. So let us know twilight.

Can you believe? Can you believe? I mean, what okay. So someone was just asking me about like a while ago I had, you know done a silly, funny tweet where I just said, like, holy shit, I just remember that I wasn't twilight and people were like, you didn't like, forget didn't forget that you're in twilight and the answer is truly, truly yes.

I know because obviously, obviously I didn't forget the experience of making the movie. I didn't. But those movies, like, especially at the time, took on such a life of their own and like they were such a kind of like for for Better, for worse, like a kind of touchstone, like like such a reference that everybody would talk about, like trying to find the next twilight or whatever. And I would find myself in, like business conversations talking about, oh yeah, i've heard that that there's a books series that just got optioned that maybe want to trying to make IT the next twilight and then I would be like, oh my god, oh my god, my god.

Because I was also so on the uh just on the outside had a front receipt but was just on the outside of the madness of IT and I was really like lucky to not be dealing with the the eye, the storm really you know um I think that like a lot of the folks that were in the movie, even in the later movies where they are playing like as long as you were a supernatural character, if you had one line you like couldn't leave your hotel room, people were crazy and you know people were criticizing like, oh but he has Green eyes in the book or or whatever and I just didn't have to deal with any of that so so on the IT almost feels like I didn't really have to run the gun. Let that some of the other, I mean, most of the other people did. I just had to like show up and say, dumb, funny shit you should be like money guys doing about because like an acting weird. Okay, everybody really serious buying like that was, that was the gig that was awesome.

Jessica a, oh my fucking god. Just got like, what's going about bela? Like, I don't get IT going below.

which is also crazy because when I didn't for that, I was like, yeah I think in the book she's like the blind athletic. Volleyball capt. In popular girl so as like, well, great, i'm not getting this job and the goal then becomes like, what I hope I just like being an impression on the casting director and the director.

Maybe we'll remember me for something else, right? And so I was like, well, like try to be like weird and funny because I don't know. And then they're like, oh, great.

Yeah, let's do that. So there I am with like my with my headband because like in that humid weather, they didn't know what to do with my hair full circle. They were like IT just keeps getting bigger.

So so IT was always like in a headband or pulled back like really tight um and you know in my like really little costume at like you know five inches shorter than Christian going like I don't even get with the point is meanwhile she's so stunning in like you're like, oh my god, i'm staring into the eyes of like siberia husky she's so good like I mean she's gorgeous on screen but like in person have you met her in person? No, there is a quality, let me tell you really. Oh my god, it's breath taking and she's obviously very beautiful.

And sometimes you meet certain people and you're like, how dare you? Why you? Why are you doing this to me? Oh god. So you know the audacity of me to be like, I don't see I don't see IT.

I don't get IT. You're like you ever like i'm being annoying like or you're like it's fine as my role yeah I guess .

I was like i'm being annoying which means like you're doing doing you doing you are down.

You're obsess with you being like they are trying to put my hair down and i'm like, I don't know what to do IT all control circle, circle. okay. Next movie, Alice, startling. This is like, obviously a bigger shift and is a basically is about a woman in emotionally abusive relationship when you're taking on a more intense role. Like do you hesitate in those moments or do you enjoy those type of moments that are a .

little bit IT was a hole gsh that weird? I'm about to use a phrase that i've been using, uh, in reference to directing so but IT IT kind of make sense because it's a similar thing where IT was like pushing myself off of a Cliff and not giving myself the time to go. Is this a good choice?

Because I was like IT was really scary and personal and got I am just remembering like, I remember, I didn't tell, I haven't thought about this in a while. I didn't tell anybody in my life, not my like, well, this was also kind of cavity, so I wasn't talking to that many people. So again, and bring up my therapies, but I didn't tell my therapy. I didn't tell like my closest friends that I was making this movie about emotional abuse because I had just gotten out of a relationship that was extremely similar to the movie um and I didn't want anybody to tell me to not do IT like I didn't want to get talked out of IT and I knew that there were good reasons for my friends and certainly my thera to be like, is this the best idea for like right now?

Um so I just kept telling them it's about like three friends in a cabin and like it's about like their relationships which in way is um yeah I I like didn't even when after the move was wrapped whatever like they didn't even know that I was about emotional abuse until lake the iner came out because I did I just didn't want somebody to tell me well I don't know. Maybe this is the child of thing like I don't want you to tell me a bad time like I need to do this. I'm going to do this.

Can I ask like how long did that um abusive relationship that you entered last?

Um IT was IT didn't follow the traditional of pattern which is kind of yet another reason why I was finding IT really difficult to identify IT and name IT as abusive okay um because I was like reading all the articles and going like this doesn't look like some of IT looks like how they are describing IT but not completely and um so the relationship p was seven years but IT was like an overnight switch and um that went on for about a year um so IT didn't follow that more traditional like psychology and boiling water thing works started slow IT came out of absolutely nowhere but was built on the foundation of I had so much love and trust for that person so I thought I had to be me like if one of us is crazy IT must be me um so I was very very um difficult um to actually go no this I think this is I think this is and I think this is his stuff because I turned my life completely upside down trying to um fix whatever was wrong with me and you know IT didn't help that for a long heard of time are like couple series I think just bought his stuff kind of hopkin and sinker。 And i've had several sessions with him um in in the last several years where he's apologized to me because I think he realized what was going on like right the end. But um yeah that obviously made everything a lot more complicated.

We always have to remember like therapies, our human people and a lot of times they don't know the inner dynamics. And if you are with a very manipulative person though that is good in crowds, like they can mask IT pretty easily and you can be kind of painted to be the person that's like insane, or you're unreasonable or you're like unwilling to make the relationship work. And when you have a licensed person staring at you next to the person that is abusive because .

we project so much authority on to them, even though we kind of know intellectually able, they are just people. It's like I just wants and IT was also, I just want someone to tell me what's happening like I was in. I wasn't even thinking like we're going to go in a couple therapy and he's going to review out and it's going to I which just like will someone just explain to me what's going on? So uh, yeah IT IT was uh IT was full on.

But IT was also interesting that like I always felt like I was trying to stay so calm in couple therapy because I was like puck in the sessions, he's so able to kind of stay calm in a way that he does not do when we're outside of therapy. Um and then there was a day again toward the end where I really kind of like lost my shit and I did think like, oh my god. Like what have I done? Like what if I done? Like I it's going to be so bad, not what? What did I do?

What you mean? What do you mean it's .

going to be so bad like if things when i'm trying so hard to like a peace this person, yeah, they're so fucking awful so how bad is IT gonna get now that i've like yellow IT you um and I sent after that session I first of all, weirdly he was fine which was very weird, very interesting because I think he felt like maybe a little bit like calm because he was like, see your fucking crazy so IT was weirdly fine but I sent the therapist and email being like, i'm so embarrassed. I'm so sorry, like, know, I need to control myself or whatever because I had yelled in recession and he called me, which he hadn't done before, and was like, no, no, i'm so proud of you and that's when I knew like, oh, something has shifted. Like, something's change and then yeah, things ended pretty quickly.

I mean that I appreciate you sharing this just because I have so many women that listen that are like what are the signs and like I I appreciate you how you opened um the conversation about this topic about like IT literally changed overnight and I was reading all the articles being like, is this me will know that's not me you try to justify things like do you mind sharing anything that maybe like my listeners could be like all this this is happening to me too that like maybe doesn't present as like this is abusive and toxic but the undertone is so there god.

it's so hard. It's so hard and I. Well, I don't know.

Maybe maybe i'll think of something. But this conversation is even like really complicated for me. It's like even talking about that. I can feel like my my body temperature going up because I think that sometimes the conversation around like red flags, like those, are important conversations that we should be. We should be talking about IT, like thinking about IT, looking for them, sharing with each other.

And I think that even the most well meaning conversation sometimes about like red flags, is, can be a little victim, blame, and at which is hard because i'm like, well, also I want to know you and share red legs because IT does sort of put the honest on you to be able to identify something that, by the way, someone is working so hard to make sure you can't identify. Like, I really started thinking about IT like gum. Like if someone was raised from birth as like a wilderness survivalist and they just dropped you, I mean, I don't know, maybe, maybe you have this in your background, but a if they dropped you, me in the middle, the woods, I would step in to a boobie trap within three feet because I don't know what to look for.

And it's like because I didn't spend my life learning how to build or identify traps. Like how is that that we're meant to like, be inside the mind of someone who is working very hard to make sure that you feel very unsteady and are questioning yourself. So it's really it's really complicated and it's it's hard for me because there are even times when I talk about my situation, where has i'm saying that I will go?

Am I making that up? Am I making everything up? Like I remember having a conversation with my therapist, like a year after that relationship where I was constantly asking her to just diagnose me with like an eagle syntactic disorder so that I could just fix IT and and make sure that, like, oh, this just won't happen again or something.

And there was a point where he was he was talking about my acts, and he started to say something where he was like, we know when you're dealing with the wolf and sheep clothing and I went, no, no, what if i'm the wolf? Like, what if IT was me? Because I think that was the thing that I didn't expect was how totally convinced he was of his own victim hood.

Like, I know him well enough in special feeling. Like, what I don't know him at all, but I know him well enough to know. Like he's not an actor, he's not a performer. He you know not a great liar in a lot of ways.

So I was like looking at someone who was actually kind of like suffering and and I thought like, well, if he's being manipulative, i'll know IT because i'll smell the bulls shit like i'll smell that this is kind of a performance that he's putting on, but I don't think he was putting on a performance. I think he genuinely believed that I was like torturing him. He told me one day I was terrorizing him because I was just crying, because I couldn't pretend that things were fine anymore, and I just started crying and he screamed in my face or terrorizing me.

But I was truly from the place of a person who believed that they were being terrorized. So I I don't know if that would resonate with people, but it's like even when I would watch these bucking videos, I would read the articles and watch the videos. And when like um doctor romney who I love, like you know she's uh she's doing like an impression of a fight where you know some abusive piece shit goes, alex, you're crazy but that's not how IT actually sounds.

It's like IT was like sometimes IT was so emotional. IT was like anna, i'm begging you like you're ruining everything you're make like IT was so real for him that I was like, am I really am I doing something terrible and I think that you know, especially with conversations about lake, we are always out with your friends and trying to isolate you those kind of things like I think they're really convinced that you're doing something terrible to them. So like the pain places real and that can be very, very misleading .

and convincing. I just, anna, say the way that you everything you just said.

yeah.

did that any of that makes sense? One hundred percent IT made so much sense. If anything, it's probably one of the best descriptions of IT because I really, really appreciate you saying, like i'd still am uncovering some of the fuck in red flags because i'm still even in my head being like, did that even happen and I is IT still some of them on me like I think that is a great message to just give to everyone.

Listening is like IT is not Normal. You should not be like hope. That's bad behavior. And I recognize that you're being manipulated with gasoline when you're with someone that you love for so long and IT does turn into abusive situation IT is so hard to see and that's why ignorant people that whether they don't have someone that they know where never happened to them or like why didn't you .

just leave it's so it's so hard.

It's so much harder than that cause even you to this day sitting here being like I still in my head like was that real like now .

it's and even sharing that i'm like fox. Should I even say that like there's something like that feels I think correctly but feels like shameful about how am I not more sow lid in my like healing, recovery, whatever? How am I still but it's .

not that in IT, it's like you are present in your reality today. But when you reflect back on that relationship and that inner dynamic with that person, you are still perplexed by how the person sitting here today was in a situation and how that went. Like that, I think, is Normal like I think that's what people struggle with and that's why i'm appreciative of you talking with me about this like IT is so where we're like, I am happy and healthy now.

So how can I still be affected by that? I think that would be weird to not be a perfected by someone that manipulated in a way because IT distorts the reality until like you sitting here, like I guess I could ask, like how have you learned? And i'm sure you're still doing IT like to trust yourself again.

Yeah it's hard. I mean, yeah you mean even even having this conversation, you know like in the the I know we haven't like gotten there, but in the the movie that I made like something small like you know there are all these different women in the film and they all have like very different personalities and that felt important to me um because as like yet another kind of small reason why IT feels like, hey, there is no I wish there was but there is no way to guarantee protection from someone who is determined to harm al.

And that sounds grim and I guess IT is. But surely like the least we can do when someone has harmed us, when we come out of like a devastating situation, is take off the top layer of shame where we go. Well, I should have known, I should have seen.

I should have been different. I should have been the tough girl. I should have been the sweet girl I should have done. And it's like, none of that will save you. None of that will save you. And again, like I almost hate saying that because it's so bleak, but I think I have I did and still sometimes do so much self shaming around like how did I how did I find myself in the situation ation? Yeah like i'm a real assets.

So like, how did I how did I not do the thing that I would have told you that I would do, which was immediately be like throw a scarf for her shoulder and be like having ice live dick and and like it's there's something like so vulnerable and kind of humiliating about the fact that like I just stayed and I kept thinking i'll i'll just try to be, I don't know, warmer or Better or something. I mean even when um this was that like our schedule was getting worked out to to come and record this IT was like the next day I went on social media, I saw a video of you talking about an experience you had where you were like, why did I yeah not just leave and I was like grow I you were in a fun response yeah and like that's the whole like woman of the hour that's it's like all fun response. It's all just like what do I have to do to survive like you were doing what you had to do to survive.

Thank you for bringing that out because I do not want to talk about the movie. That's kind of what we've been building to is like these themes of every woman listening. Yes, I feel like we're both like pretty strong independent women that we've got like our careers and people could look at us and it's like, wow, like you guys have, you ve got to all figured out out well and we're both sitting here being like, no, no, no.

Like to this day i've been in weird work situations that i'm like weak like alexa per the color di person that just like signed big gal. There have been still moments in this industry where I am having uncomfortable interactions with people. And i'm like, we why didn't I just like.

yeah why were you just a sort of it's it's not that easy.

And IT and I I now want to talk about the movie because you're right, there are so many themes in IT that are so brilliantly portraying what we as women go through every day. And then IT also, women will be like, yb, i've been there. I've been there and still tuesday like I don't know if men completely understand what we have to go through and why we found instead of scream, kick and punch in the face um let's talk about movie um woman of the hour I first of all you were set to you be the lead right and then you also directed IT how did this come to be yes so I got the script for Alice starling .

and woman to the hour like the same like month at least like I want to say the same week but but I might have been the same month and you know certain movies just comes together quickly and certain movies take forever so I was attached um as an actor for like two years OK and you know you're just sort of like, well I love this script. I love this story you let me know and um and that happens a lot in in the industry.

And the other thing that happens is that sometimes you something will just be kicking around for a long time and then out of nowhere, IT will be like, hey, we raised the money and we have a start date so let's try to keep this train on the tracks cause otherwise it'll probably like disapearance right and so we were like suddenly starting the search for a director and um I basically had like forty eight hours where IT was like this voice going. You should pitch yourself and me going shut up. Absolutely not everyone needs to be quiet. We're not doing that. And IT was that same feeling of like, oh my god, i'm going to push myself off a Cliff and um so I pitched myself to direct the movie um because I felt like I had become slowly kind of obsessed with the script and there was a little bit of me um like where I would give like ideas, feedback, whatever but you know IT IT was there were you know producers, cooks in kitchen, whatever and I was always a little bit lake well.

You know if the right movie I would probably do like that but on my movie so one of and the idea of um taking IT and just tweaking IT that little bit um was really exciting to me so I pitched myself and um I got the job and then six weeks later I was in canada doing like hard prep for the movie and then and then we were like making the movie and IT really was like, I mean to push myself of a Cliff and I guess I will find out on the way down if I packed this parachute correctly because like if if IT had been six months later, I would have panicked and back out I would have been like, you guys are right. We should find someone way more experiences IT it'll be great but I had also in the last like five years before that, started to have the experience of looking around a film set and going, huh oh oh god, i'm the most experience person here. Oh oh no, i'm the most experiences person here and i'm an idiot.

This is a nightmare like IT wasn't like, oh hot shit IT was like, oh no but you are like, oh well i've i've been doing this long time um so yeah IT felt like, okay it's kind of a now or never thing um and I was absolutely terrified um but I was trying to have just like think IT right I I don't like super confident leader I should be in charge of things and again, like I don't know about you, bit like I absolutely over think things and I can get paralysed in ism all of that stuff and then when like my back was against the wall or like things were really running behind and you don't really have a choice but to be running on like a drennan and instinct. There were even things in the edit where you know you're you're looking at like the stuff in between takes where I would see myself like run into the frame and like give the actor a note and like a just a piece of sec and I was like mobility seems like he knows that she's doing okay. Like when i'm in a blind panic and you don't really have a choice, I was like, shit. Seems like she's an authority figure. How about that?

I mean, it's an incredible movie and you should be so proud of yourself. I know you are, but like to know that I didn't realize that. Was that really like? So I pitch myself, I pitch myself. You think, god, you pitched to yourself because it's awesome like, IT really is amazing coming from somewhere that gets so fucking scared from .

movies like I know and I did tell you I was like, what if you made IT for the first five minutes? It's all it's like .

IT gets easier from easy but before like for people who haven't watched IT yet, the movie is based on an insane true story. Can you give just like a little bit of A A .

bite for them to understand was going yes. So it's based on um the true story of A A serial killer in one thousand nine hundred and seventies who went on the show, the dating game um and IT moves around through time. So it's kind of following this like more than a decade long period where he was really Operating without consequence because no body was really looking for him, which is a another interesting and by interesting I mean enraging um aspect of the story. But uh I play the bachelor rat who's on the dating game um and that some of that footage exists online but the full episode, like all the footage, appears to have been kind of lost to time. So uh the the screenwriter kind of used that vacuum as this opportunity to it's it's almost like a fantasy section of the movie except the fantasy is what if a woman stood up for herself, can you imagine but but it's like it's interesting because speaking of like asserting yourself, yes, it's a really fun section of the movie is you know it's it's a really tense movie but like that section is kind of fun but as the viewer, it's complicated because you know that okay, she's been shrinking herself and in a fun response and she's like standing up for herself, which is so fun to watch, but we know she's getting herself closer and closer to danger and it's complicated like there are times where you go. Why don't I just assert myself and it's sometimes .

it's not that simple women will understand those moments where you stroke the ego or you actually like so fucking nice and situations that you're so uncomfortable and because in your head you like the only way i'm getting out of the situation is to be so appeasing and so nice and work IT and then all of a sudden I know i'll be able to get out at some point but to a Normal person that's never been in that situation or isn't a woman is like we why don't they just like scream and run that you're like, first of all, if I tried to scream and run, i'm dead bitch so fuck you okay like clear, we're not that dumb. Um I think that was like something very interesting in the movie.

Obviously, i'd talk to earlier before we get out care about like that parking lot scene, just like struck me, because I think every woman, anytime you are in a dark area and you are walking anywhere, your senses go up where you're like, what the fuck is gna happen to me? What the fuck is is going to happen to me? Am I gona die? Am I going to get murdered? Um how do you think this movie, like what do you think IT says about how women are play upon in society?

Yeah I mean, well, first of all, I just want to say, like it's so interesting. You use the word like your senses go up because even the way that um like that scene was kind of the first scene that I could like visualize um and I imagine that in kind of mediums and close up. And then when that thing happens, where we've all been there, where you like and interaction is perfectly pleasant, and then ten seconds later, you're like weight. Ten seconds ago, everything felt fine.

And now like something feels very fucking dangerous IT almost is like your entire, like your hearing, your peripheral vision is just like, okay, where do I see movement? Where do I hear movement? How unsafe am I? And so that's when like the camera goes jumps wide because it's like, oh, that's when you would be aware of like, oh, this parking lot is empty like there's not a maintenance man, there's not a passing couple like all I can hear is the buzz the street lies and IT really is like in moments in your own mind you're like, oh, I can almost hear like the ringing in my own ears because like there's nothing fuck.

there's nothing that is so interesting style ally, like you having the decision making around the camera angles and how different not that like we love men and we love mal directors. But i'm just like so curious to know like how a man would have directed that scene where you're directing IT. Like, so in the presence of your own body, how you feel in that moment?

And there were times when people were talking about, like, when we're on sad people talking about me as, like, o am so glad a woman's directing this. And there were times where I was like, is IT making that much of a difference? I can't really tell.

And then there were like, there were a bunch of examples like this, but there was, there's a moment where, like, the girl in the new york city apartment when SHE kind of realizes, like, oh, somethings wrong. I don't know what's wrong with something's wrong and SHE doesn't even drop her smile and you can just sort of see IT in her eyes. And when we were shooting that one of my producers was like, should we just do another take where it's just more clear what's happening? And I was like, I will be very clear to women what's happening. Like, I think I will be clear to most men, but I was also like, if there is like twenty percent of men who are like, I don't understand what happening in the scene, fine be fine. I would like be like, no, this is how you would handle this like you wouldn't .

let on that no so yeah .

IT was like, oh, I wasn't really sure how um like being a woman director would really show up in the movie but then that there were a bunch of things like that was like home no, that's not even what the scenes .

about IT was no. I love you so much and I I think, again, the themes are so important for people in society to just like grasped to and understand. And I think this is like a very accurate depiction, obviously height, we're not all not like dealing with like a murderer, serial killer.

You know, there are so many stories that I hear where I mean, even you're sorry, where you're like, why did I? Why didn't I? Just whatever is like you did what you had to do are you kidding? I know what it's .

just so we're dad gay. We're talking about the paris episode, the paris story if you haven't listen to listen but like, yes, that story. I remember being so even anxious to tell the story online at first because I was like.

oh god, like everyone is just going to say, like, girl.

where you think, like why you get on a plane like why you go and like because I thought that he was a Normal, nice man like, I think that's what we all go into IT. Like, unless you are burned so deeply from a Young age, which is horrific, and you have your those guards up from Young aid, you go through life for a while until you hit a point where you are fucked over in a way that like will stay with you for the rest of your life.

And we wish that wouldn't happen to us. But when that happened, you can and see IT. But before that happens, you're trusting people like, I wanted trust people yeah, I wanted have a good time with someone like.

isn't IT interesting that we're so easily uh, in induced to go like, well, what are you thinking? What like trusting someone thinking, thinking other people are good. But then by the way, if you're like, oh, i'm kind of cage you about dating and suffer right now, if you got open yourself, you like, all right, me, oh, oh, ohh, this is a set up, a trap. H, I see, I see there. No IT.

there's no fucking winning. We speaking of dating as we're wrapping up my problem, are you, are you dating? Are you single?

What's going on?

Are you dating? Are you single?

What's going on? No, no, I am single, but IT is funny. I was like, I was singing the other day. I i've been single for a while now and and I was like, oh god, I this is very me, i'm very avoid and I I have all these kind of um like little traps uh in in my head or like a escape patches or whatever. And uh I think like for a long time now i've been like, uh no no prospects.

Meanwhile, I like every time you're from us as is someone being like, oh, I know this guy who writes on this great he's on that show that so great that every love and he like, really wants to meet you so just let me know and like, I just put IT back down to go. No prospects for old and a nobody wants to like, it's like such a game that i'm playing with myself where, like h, i'm not wanting to go. So I just like, don't see what's happy like like people going like, i'd love to take you out for a meal and me going like h he wants to be buddies like that's not even a ef mim. That's just like how people ask you on dates. It's just amazing the way that i'm like, uh, no one for poor and it's soap that you're just not .

in the mood .

yeah basically well, I also like I made this movie about like the most dangerous violent so there might be some bleed over there.

No, I think it's I love when people are like, no, i'm not dating. I think like we can Normalize that when people are like you're not seeing anyone I hate those friends are like, come on it's like, first of all, shut up. I'll do IT when I want to but clearly like, yes, you went through something with someone and you made this movie and now it's like you're gonna back out there when you want to get back out there, is there anything that like a non negotiable for you in a relationship?

Oh well uh in spite of my um not great experience with couple therapy, I was like first of all, i'm never getting involved with a man, meaning like we're not even kissing. We're not i'm not even we're not even going to like to have a real conversation unless you are in or have been in theri. And if we were actually like, okay, maybe this is a relationship. We're getting a couple service from jump from jump and like, by the way, that guarantees nothing like even that. But yeah, I love .

that a man therapy. I know it's warms IT warms my heart.

It's a good time. IT is not a guarantee of anything. You're right.

It's not a guarantee, but at least it's like a little bit more like it's a little bit more in the right direction because the man is like, I would never fucking go to therapy. Like what's wrong with you? You're the one that has the most fuck in trauma like not a good time.

And can I say, I mean, even the kind of going back to the red flag thing that like, i'm aware that, you know, I love that there is a bit of a community and women wanting to share, like the movie turned out to be a red flag and like we should know those things and know that like IT doesn't necessarily protect us to look out for those things. Um but I was like I was thinking about how you know a classic one is like any guy that says, like all all my axes are crazy that's a red flag I was like, you know all these guys have access to the same internet and the same culture that we do so I don't think that they're rocking up to first dates and going, oh, all my actions are crazy fucking in bitches they're like IT was a messy situation IT was you know and and i've been burned and look, I I probably contributed in some ways too but I like I think as we're learning IT, they are too not to be like older like and I don't know that they are doing IT on puris happening subconsciously no.

Like those little fuckers are fully learning off of this episode being like don't say this, do know you're right. You're right. They're taking notes like they're not idiot.

I had a guy tell me about an x where he was doing like he was almost he was getting me to collude with him by by being like, no, he was a great person but then would tell me things about her that would make me go that's not OK. That's awful and he would sort of be like, oh, wa release, you think IT was and then I was bullshit. IT was all full on fabricated crazy, but like IT is like, oh, there are. Oh, oh, they're learning. They're a blast.

Are my god? Okay, so on the first day, what do you want to be doing on the first day? Are you going to a dinner? Are you doing a coffee? Are you doing a fuck? And zoom meeting, my god, what are you doing? What's your ideal first?

I know I like, is there way to just like, have IT like at my house in my pajamas? I mean, like you have to look nice and I will be like recording IT for the authorities that don't chinese thing. Yeah, I am like, what? Leave the house dinner. Alex, that's disgusting.

Why would you say that?

Go to a movie? Oh my god, your movie. How I can IT, yes.

kind of. I, okay. Last few questions. What is your best quality that you think you bring to a relationship?

Oh god um oh um sometimes um when I feel like i've seen like names and sort online about like the girlfriend that will be like this isn't what he ordered. You know how like some men are are like oh that well this isn't um 不得 okay I want to eat IT like i'm very much like the body guard like I think i'm compensating for how short I am。

I always like where we now hang on a second um which is weird because I am the person where if the wrong thing comes, i'll just eat IT. But when it's somebody else and this is the same thing with friends where i'm like where are they no, who said no, I just want to talk. No, I just want to talk like I I really talk crazy to people. It's it's a lot, but I I don't know. I like that about myself I way I don't know if you find that it's way easier for me when it's somebody.

of course and then to stick up for yourself feel like, oh no, no, no, no but to someone else i'm like, oh, I got you bit i'm come on in full swinging like.

let's go no, i'm like they're already I don't don't have to worry about IT IT. I said her through last night. It's fine.

That's a good friend to have. This is good to know about you, but any is lucky, but you are also lucky. Breck, last question, what do you think is like the biggest misconception about you?

Oh god, I don't know, I don't know. I mean sometimes okay, sometimes I don't know if this councils like a conception, but um sometimes I truly don't realize how dry i'm being. I have like such nervous kid sister energy around um like real like comics um and uh so i'll try to like be funny, like even even if someone's just funny like i'll be like oh yeah I have to like keep up and i'll go so dry that I think sometimes I don't realize IT comes off like i'm being dead serious. I saw a video of, I saw a tiktok of my self once I was at this party and uh this guy like you know just got me to do like a video with him and I was joking that he told me that he'd been like filming me from across the party and he was fine IT fine whatever um but I was like, oak, we're doing a bit about how like oh, you curtly filming me, mother fucker like, so okay.

We're doing like, i'm like, yeah, we're doing a bit and then I see the tiktok because I like went viral and I was like, oh my god, IT seems like I IT seems like I IT seems like i'm ready to kill this man which like, look, are mostly, am I ready to kill man at any given moment a little but I was like, i'm being so funny and then I saw IT back and I was like, oh my god and all the comments were like, wait, SHE being serious and I was like, I don't know, what am I being serious, my god and really, i'd never like seen just a video of me doing a bit that wasn't like coming across as a bit so I was like, oh god, how many times? How many times? Because this is like the tone that I snap into when there's like a comedy director or something like where I was like, oh, wow, there i've gotta so many situations where they were like, I don't know.

I thought we were getting along fine and then just SHE like, went cold, dead I D on me or something. Meanwhile, i'm like, i'm being so funny. It's going great. okay. Like i'm nAiling IT and I you're .

nAiling IT and that is the episode and that concludes today's session. Ladies and gentleman, and I thank you so much for coming and holiday. This was so fun. amazing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.