9/11/24: Trump Kamala First Debate LIVE Reaction
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Hello, everybody. We just watched that major presidential debate. Emily, unfortunately, had to step away, but the three of us will hold down the fort. I'll be extra loud, all right? Double the analysis. I'm sure that's not a problem for me. But in general, certainly something, some major moments. We've got a couple of clips and other things that we can break down for everybody. We'll

We'll be taking some questions throughout the stream from our premium subscribers. So make sure you sign up breakingpoints.com if you want to be able to take advantage. But before we get to that and even to some of the clips, why don't we just give our general impressions? Crystal, what do you think? She came in wanting to make this a referendum on Trump and she succeeded. Yes. She basically called every shot in terms of what the topics, what the focus would be.

What he would have to respond to. She maintained an affect of laughing in his face and rolling her eyes. He was pissed off and angry almost from the jump. And so, you know, I think for her, this was about as good a performance as possible. She was well prepared and took it seriously and took him seriously. And I don't think that he took her seriously enough.

And it showed. He took the bait on every, whether it was his rallies or his indictments or even the Central Park Five or his net worth that he inherited from his dad.

he was chasing after every single ball that she was throwing. - Yeah, let me pick up on that because I think this is a really key point and it's one where I'm already, I can see amongst our right wing audience, the ones that remain and others, is there is a tremendous amount of outrage about the moderators and about ABC. And I think we'll talk about this, about how the fact that these moderators did interject multiple times to quote unquote fact check Trump. Many of the questions were frankly ridiculous in my opinion.

Like, Kamala, have you ever met with Putin? It was like, come on, what are we doing? Okay. Bless you. Let's put that aside.

Complaining about moderators is cope when your candidate also did, you had multiple opportunities where you took the bait, where you whiffed on the best answers, where Kamala, what I want to pick up on from what you said, was totally in control. Every single time it was her worst issue, she puts a little bit of bait in there that Trump is going to pick up on and he runs with it. The border section was infuriating to me, watching and waiting. This is a

this is the part where Trump is leading against Harris as much as Harris is leading Trump on abortion. I haven't even mentioned Trump's disastrous abortion performance. We got that coming soon. We will have that coming as well. But actually, that's a perfect example when I put them side by side. On the abortion one, Trump is...

all over the place, giving the worst answers humanly possible. All the stuff that she's tried to do previously, none of it has worked. He doesn't try and bait Kamala or move the direction. Kamala brings up a border. The very first border question, she starts talking about his rally size. Now we're ready to get

litigating rallies during the damn border section. And then during every single other one, which was very good for Kamala, or sorry, very good for Trump, any issue area, Kamala lays as much bait in there as possible and Trump takes it and he takes it and he whiffs it. He validates every concern that she drops of he only cares about himself by litigating his rally sides instead of talking about the border and litigating his inheritance instead of talking about, well, I don't even remember what that section was. I think that might've been about her

flip-flopping. Yeah, you're exactly right. You are so, that, you're right. That's what it was. It was about fracking and flip-flopping. And I'm sitting here losing my mind being like, dude, what are you doing? And so, in general, yes, were the moderators biased? Yeah, I think so. Uh,

But, you know, you're just going to come across as a whiny baby, you know, only focusing on that. When you went into this, you voluntarily accepted and honestly worse, even within that bad framework, they gave you a chance to shine where you could have if you wanted to. You've been in many, you know, biased debates before and he screwed it. I mean, he absolutely whiffed it on every major issue that was the best for him.

I want to get Ryan in, but real quick, what that reminded me of, remember the famous Newt Gingrich moment where John King asked him this question about, he had like asked his wife for an open marriage while she had cancer. I mean, it was a horrible thing he did, right? But they open up with this question. Right.

And Newt Gingrich goes in on the moderators and turns it into a great moment. If you're Donald Trump, you come in knowing the moderators are probably going to be asking her easier questions, might be doing a little fact check. Trump at the top of his game not only handles that, but turns that into an asset. Mm-hmm.

- Yeah, he's a deeply wounded man. - That comes across, yeah. - For him not to be able to let anything slide. - Yeah, nothing. - Even with the presidency in his grasp, the depth of insecurity he must feel in whatever soul he has inside of him to not just, your point is exactly right. They're talking about her flip flops. They're talking about the border.

It's a 90 minute debate. These are gonna be the rounds where you have to score the most amount of points. - Right. - Absolutely. - They're all tilted in your favor. - You're just pummeling her in these rounds. Instead, they're not leaving my rally earlier. They don't even go to her rallies. - Yeah, they actually get busted. - In fact, they're fake. - What are we doing? - You went into the fake thing. They're paying fake AI people to go to her rallies. And yeah, exactly. Then you're like, what are we even talking about now?

I don't remember that it was actually- During the border section- About a flip flop question or whatever. During the border section, they were litigating Donald Trump's cases. Excuse me? Excuse me? Because she took the opening of him saying something about criminals- About migrant crime, yeah. To be like, let me tell you about criminals. This guy right here. And of course, he goes all in. And same thing, the January 6th section was also disastrous for him because he gets asked the question- Oh yeah, oh my God.

He gets asked the question, okay, you said for a long time that you won by a landslide. In the past several weeks, you said that you lost by a whisker and seemed to admit that you lost.

No, I didn't admit that. I was being sarcastic. I won by a little. And then goes in, though, the court cases and they were biased and there was so much evidence. I mean, again, spending time and energy relitigating one of the things people hate about you. No, I mean, his the other the other thing about the demeanor of the two of them, I think, was important as well, because, you know, some of a lot of this is optics.

And one of the things we said is she needs to maintain this sort of like, you know, rolling her eyes, being above the fray, looking down on her note, making him small. And she did that. Her facial expressions were very relaxed. She was the one that was having fun at his expense. Mm-hmm.

That's a real role reversal if you think back to how much fun he had at Hillary Clinton's expense, how much fun he had at Lil Marco's expense, how much fun he had at low-energy Jeb Bush's expense. He was not having any fun up there tonight. And, you know, that's one of his comedic, his ability to play to an audience, play to a crowd. That is his superpower, and that was wholly absent tonight. Yeah, I totally agree. Go ahead. And that's hard to do for her to...

kind of ridicule him without looking petty or like a jerk. Like there's a very fine line to walk there. And she didn't really come off as a jerk at all. Like she came off as like exactly like you said. Like she hit that well. Yeah. And for people who didn't follow the Lex Friedman interview or didn't listen to the Lex Friedman interview, you know, he's one of these guys who is like, I love a lot of things about you, but I don't like January 6th. I don't like that you...

challenge the election, why can't you just say that you lost? And clearly either he was ready to pander or his advisors were like, please just, please, he's gonna ask you about this, please just say you lost. And he finally says, I lost by a whisker.

And he was absolutely not being sarcastic. - Right. - And he was not. - You're absolutely right. - I listened to it. I listened to it multiple times because it's genuinely kind of a historic moment. And I was like, well, maybe this is a new strategy. - He's putting this behind him. - And then, I mean, this is the thing. And I'll say this too. JD just today did the all-in summit and they asked him, would you have certified the election? He's like, no, I would have had an alternate state. I'm like, okay, here we go. He's like, this is what we wanna do? This is what we wanna do. This is what we wanna do two months before the election.

Okay? This is it. This is what we've decided to go with two months before the election. The number one reason why a lot of suburban people voted against you in 2022, right? Arguably one of the huge hits on him in that race in Ohio. I can't really blame J.D. because I think a big part of the reason he got the vice presidential gig is because he had said that before. Totally, Kristen. And there's like...

Like, that's why he's in the slot. So he's like, this is my job to stick with this thing. How about we just don't say it? How about we just talk about the border again? We're like, oh, you know, that's an interesting thing. We should talk about the border. And Trump could have told J.D., look, I know you've said that and I got you on the ticket, but we're done with that. We're moving on. And another thing is that he...

inexplicably disavows J.D. Vance, who gave him the greatest layup of all time. And he said, J.D. said, yeah, he would veto a national abortion ban. So they asked him about it like, hey, J.D. says you're going to veto a national abortion ban. And he's like, well, in fairness, we hadn't discussed it. Yeah, let's keep the door open to what, a 6% policy? What are we doing? It's like,

Every single level, the calculation, the Trump, the calibration was gone. It was the reactive Trump, the angry Trump. It was totally not in control. I can already guarantee you he's just gonna complain about the moderators. I think there's a high likelihood that he does not participate in another debate after

- Which would be another win for Kamala. - Which would be a massive win for Kamala, who has to memorize a bunch of scripted, baited answers, right? - Which he rallies instead. - Boom, yeah, and now you just go rally for two more months, maybe do one more bullshit interview with Dana Bash, and yet, you know, that's it. So I just can't get over this. - I would think some people also probably noticed, if they're voting on this abortion question, that his two points clash. Like he says,

He really believes on a moral level it should be left to the states. But then he also won't say that he'd veto a national abortion ban. Right.

That's not leaving it to the states. Yes, that's right. I don't even really understand why he is sticking on this. Like, J.D. Vance is actually very, like, what he's said in the past, he actually embraces all the fringe views on abortion. If he can get there, why can't he? Right. So J.D. Vance would be like, no, no, we're good. And you can't say, I

I genuinely don't understand that, especially because he clearly knows he's got a problem on abortion. He clearly, you know, as soon as Roe versus Wade was overturned, he knew it was going to be a problem. It was all over the place on this Florida amendment, and it was a mess.

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It became a theme in my life, the underdog syndrome of being questioned, of the, would they say this to a man? No, they would not. Like, why? That was one of those moments where you're just like, oh, wow. It was a bit shocking, but it didn't take any steam away or anything like that. If anything, it was more of the, okay, I'll show you. No worries. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Since we're talking so much about abortion, we have a little bit of this exchange. So let's go ahead and play it. This is D3 guys, if we could play a little bit of this exchange on abortion. You're running me, J.D. Vance has said that you would veto if you did come to your desk. Well, I didn't discuss it with J.D. in all fairness. J.D., and I don't mind if he has a certain view, but I think he was speaking for me, but I really didn't. Look,

We don't have to discuss it because she'd never be able to get it. Just like she couldn't get student loans, they couldn't get student loans. They didn't even come close to getting student loans. They taunted young people and a lot of other people that had loans. They can never get this approved. So it doesn't matter what she says about going to Congress. Wonderful, let's go to Congress, do it. But the fact is that for years, they wanted to get it out of Congress and out of the federal government. And we did something that everybody said couldn't be done. And now you have a vote of the people on abortion.

He went on this long tangent too about student loan debt. I mean, I know what he's trying to say, which is like, okay, well, you claim you're gonna codify Roe, but you're not gonna have the votes to do it. It is an opportunity for- See, you actually got through that. I didn't even- I couldn't figure out like- That's what he was saying. You're promising things and you won't be able to deliver them. Right, and I mean, listen, I would love for Kamala in that moment to be like, that's why I'm gonna get rid of the filibuster so that we can codify Roe versus Wade. But she in the section-

did the polar opposite of what Trump did like in the border section, which is the stronger issue for him. She extended the conversation about abortion. She kept going in. She kept going in on it, going back to it.

And then he would feel like, oh, I got to respond in some kind of a way. And so and she brought up visceral examples. And he kept saying, you know, oh, everybody wanted this to be done. And she said, no, those women who were bleeding out in parking lots, they did not want this. The majority of the country doesn't. That's why in red state after red state, they chose freedom, she said, is how she framed it. And the other thing that I kept thinking about in this section, Brian, is the way that Biden handled the abortion answers in the last.

debate. Do you guys remember this? He finished by talking about immigrants raping people. Yes. Yes, he did. And now Trump is the one who's like, you know, bringing up his own worst issues. But yeah, and Biden gets asked the abortion question last time and everyone's like, all right, well, this is the layup for him. And he starts talking incomprehensibly about an undocumented immigrant raping someone. What? What is happening here? I got some fun breaking news here. Kamala's campaign will now ask for another debate, according to

into the Washington Post. - Oh, okay. - Yeah, I would too, you know? I certainly would too after whatever we all held as witness. I think we should talk then about what we've been alluding to is that, you know, there's this concept of like frame control where Kamala was just totally in control of the frame constantly. So we're talking about the border. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. We're gonna make a little thing about rallies that you're gonna take. And then, oh, well, let's also talk about, you said migrant crime.

reminds me of crime because you're a criminal. And he's like, wait, no, no, I'm not a criminal. And it's like, what are we doing? No, you're supposed to be. And actually, that's one of Trump's most powerful things is that he was always in setting control of the narrative. He was somebody who could pivot the discussion where he wanted it to go. So we have the perfect example here. Guys, let's go ahead and prepare D4. This is exactly where Trump is talking about, Trump has asked a question about the border. Kamala was initially asked about the border.

In her border answer, she gives a rally comment. We were all sitting here at the desk and I was like, here we go, he's gonna take the bait. And then immediately, that's what he does. He focuses on himself, not on the issue. So D4, let's take a listen. And I'll tell you something, he's gonna talk about immigration a lot tonight, even when it's not the subject that is being raised. And I'm gonna actually do something really unusual. And I'm gonna invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's rallies, cuz it's a really interesting thing to watch.

You will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter. He will talk about windmills cause cancer. And what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom.

And I will tell you, the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you. You will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams, and your desires. First, let me respond to the rallies. She said people start leaving. People don't go to her rallies. There's no reason to go.

And the people that do go, she's busing them in and paying them to be there and then showing them in a different light. So she can't talk about that. People don't leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics. That's because people want to take their country back. Our country is being lost. We're a failing nation. And it happened three and a half years ago. And what's going on here, you're going to end up in World War III, just to go into another subject.

What they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country and look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States. And a lot of towns don't want to talk. It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in. They're eating the cats. They're eating animals.

They're eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what's happening in our country. And it's a shame. As far as rallies are concerned, as far as the reason they go is they like what I say. They want to bring our country back. They want to make America great again. It's a very simple phrase, make America great again.

She's destroying this country and if she becomes president this country doesn't have a chance of success Not only success will end up being Venezuela on steroids That's a perfect example in that you know what we just watched he takes a question about the border spends probably 70% of it talking about the best rallies history in it He also has to bring up a pet hoax

at least as far as we know right now, about Haitian migrants eating pets. And he's not talking about, I mean, that's the other thing. Why do we have to do with the pets? Lake and Riley, we all know Lake and Riley's name. You could say that. You could bring up any legitimate case of migrant crime and you're not gonna get interjected what the moderator saying, hey, actually, we talked to the city manager or whatever, Springfield, and that they say that's not true. It's like he took the worst decision possible

in every single moment there. But most importantly, Harris got under his skin and got him to whiff the answer on the border whenever, I mean, did he even say border czar? I'm trying to think. I believe the moderator. I think one time he said it. The moderator instead. He said,

- Is this one saying, Kamala, you were put in charge of the border. Trump, it's like complete incoherence. If you're watching that and you're a normal person who's genuinely concerned about immigration to the border or whatever, what did you get out of that? And that's the question you have to ask here. - Quick fact check. The immigrants are not eating cats. They're actually children who identify as cats. - Oh, okay. - Transgender children in, yeah, criminals, whatever. - No, trans species. - Okay. See,

That's the other thing that came out in a couple of places because, like, we knew what the fuck he was talking about with the whole pet Haitian migrant thing because our brains are rotted and we're online way too much. There are millions upon millions of Americans at home who are like, what are you even talking about? In fact, someone very close to me who is Haitian.

not that political and definitely not super online was like, if you're gonna make up some shit, at least make it believable. Mm-hmm.

This is just preposterous and weird. Sorry. Didn't it come from a Springfield town meeting? It's not a litigate. Isn't it some super far right-wing, ultra right-wing lunatic? I can tell you the genesis. The genesis of it is that there was a Facebook post in the Springfield community or whatever in a group. On the group, it said, I hear from my neighbor's dog

cousin. It was like my neighbor's daughter's friend says that the Haitians are eating cats or eating pets. That's one. Two is a viral video. A video goes viral of a black woman who was arrested for eating a cat. Okay. But it turns out that that video did not take place in Springfield, Ohio. And she is an American citizen. She is not Haitian. So it's actually the native born people who are

eating the cats. Turns out, yeah, she's probably a drug, also, she's probably just a drug addict, but okay, let's put it that. Yeah, and then, that's her genesis. There was also a fake photo of a guy holding a goose. which happened in Columbus, Ohio. And there was no indication that the man was an immigrant. So that's what we asked for. He's a member of the Kennedy family, I believe. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, by the way, I think we should normalize eating gays,

But anyway, that's a whole separate conversation. I think fish and game rags are way too... That's why it comes down as pro goose eating. I think we should. I mean, there's all these... Extremely, like, greasy. We're such a rich country. We got these tasty ducks sitting in these ponds for a while. They're not that tasty. I'll put it all aside. Anyway. He's so internet brained. Yeah.

Not only then, right? That he brings up this whole thing that most people won't even know what you're talking about, let alone what Kamala Harris has to do with it, let alone that it even involves immigrants. They just have no idea what you're talking about. And there were other instances of that as well where it's like, oh, in the rally answer, in that same

answer. He's talking about these conspiracies. Oh, she's busing in people, et cetera, et cetera, which again, normal people haven't heard of. They don't care about. It's just, I hadn't even heard that particular conspiracy. He refers to the January 6th rioters as J6, right? Which is also very like online lingo. Subcultural lingo. And, um, you know, I do think that they're like a victim of their own success on Twitter.

Like it's too much of a right wing echo chamber and they're drinking too much of their own Kool-Aid. They're high on their own supply and they think that this stuff is like legit lands has national purchase. And any most people who are at all up for grabs in this election are just like, I don't literally don't even know what the fuck you're talking about right now. And he has spent so and I was sort of joking earlier when I said that getting kicked off of Twitter hurt hurt his feelings.

ability to be in touch with what's going on, but not really because instead he was on Truth Social. Right. And that puts you in a subcultural genre where you start using words and talking to people who are just nowhere near the median. You're using words that they understand. Right. But

Anybody who's not in true social doesn't. Got some big news. I had to confirm it before I read it. Taylor Swift has endorsed Kamala Harris. Oh, there you go. She just posted. She says, like many of you, I watched the debate tonight. If you haven't already, now is a great time to do your research on the issues at hand. As a voter, I make sure to watch and read everything I can about their proposal. Recently, I was made aware of AI falsely endorsing Trump. It was posted to a site. It conjured up my fears around AI. Blah, blah.

I will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in the 2024 election. I'm voting for Kamala because she fights for the rights and causes I believe. I think she's a steady-handed, gifted leader. She also posted a picture with her cat. Cat lady. Cat lady. I mean, look, we all knew it was coming, but... That's funny. Oh my God. With love and hope, Taylor Swift, childless cat lady.

- Oh, you sure this is real? - Yeah, I swear to God. - Wow. - That's why I had to be 100%. I just went to her Instagram page, I refreshed it, I read it right off of it myself. - Well, this comes right on the heels of our cat conversation, so it's, you know. - Wow. - They're flip-flopping on how they feel about cats. They can't even keep their position straight on cats. - That is a big one. The Taylor thing actually is a big one.

I mean, people have exaggerated it before. I don't know. She's the most pop, she's like, she ascends, you know, pop culture, the most famous person probably in the world. She can get people to register. I mean, yeah, but getting people to register to vote? I don't know. Look, you could be right, Crystal. I just, I'm not discounting it, especially in a row, row, row your vote thing, this whole cat stuff. I mean, you've got tens of millions of people who are following her. She'll be on tour. I, I,

I only know this because I'm trying to get tickets. Right before the election in the critical battleground states like Miami and Indianapolis. I'm just saying if she does pepper some of that in there. But I do think that is...

It's significant in a certain way, not just the Taylor thing. The media conversation after this, relative to how it was after Biden, is night and day. You can imagine the backflips that they're doing on CNN and MSNBC. You can imagine the absolute coping Jesse Water tears over how bad the moderators were. You just don't want to be in that position. You want to be celebrating good stuff your candidate did, and they didn't have nearly enough moments for that.

Yeah. That's it. Yeah. No, that's it. I just want to know where Taylor Swift was at the DNC when I was promised a special guest. So we got Leon Panetta. All right. That's what I want to know. Nor did we get Beyonce. So I was like, come on. What are we doing?

This election season, the stakes are higher than ever. I think the choice is clear in this election. Join me, Charlemagne Tha God, for We The People, an audio town hall with Vice President Kamala Harris and you, live from Detroit, Michigan, exclusively on iHeartRadio. They'll tackle the tough questions, depressing issues, and the future of our nation. We may not see eye to eye on every issue, but America, we are not going back.

Don't miss this powerful conversation with Vice President Kamala Harris. Tomorrow at 5 p.m. Eastern, 2 p.m. Pacific on the free iHeartRadio app's Hip Hop Beat Station.

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It became a theme in my life, the underdog syndrome of being questioned, of the, would they say this to a man? No, they would not. Like, why? That was one of those moments where you're just like, oh, wow. It was a bit shocking, but it didn't take any steam away or anything like that. If anything, it was more of the, okay, I'll show you. No worries. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, it's Mike and Ian. We're the hosts of How to Do Everything from NPR's Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Each week, we take your questions and find someone much smarter than us to answer them. Questions like, how do you survive the Bermuda Triangle? How do you find a date inside the Bermuda Triangle? We can't help you, but we will find someone who can. Listen to the How to Do Everything podcast on iHeartRadio.

- There was an interesting moment where, Ryan, beforehand, you asked us to take the over the under on Kamala doing her, like, "I'm speaking." - I'm speaking, yes. - And we got a big surprise on that one, which was actually Trump. - Did it multiple times. - Did he? - Yes. - Multiple times? - One time he said, "Quiet, please."

Trump channeling his inner girl boss. I'm talking. Perhaps this is a way for him to try to win the woman vote over by channeling his inner girl boss. Yes. We have D6 is a little bit of that Trump, I'm speaking, reprising Kamala's- Very sassy Trump. Very sassy Trump reprising Kamala's famous line vis-a-vis Mike Pence. Let's take a listen to that. She gave up at least 12 and probably 14 or 15 different policies like-

She was big on defund the police. In Minnesota, she went out. Wait a minute. I'm talking now. If you don't mind, please. Does that sound familiar? She went out. She went out in Minnesota. You know, her face was very active. That was clearly very intentional. Yes. Her faces. There were times where she would actively go like,

It was a little Gretchen Whitford to me, for me. It feels like she studied. There were times where she almost like had a look of like pity on her face. She was laughing at him. It was night and day, obviously, with Joe Biden. But it was also very different affect from what Trump had in this debate where he was just straight on, not looking at her at all, straight on, angry mug to the camera. And, you know, I think she...

It was, I think, a smart play in her regard. And like I said before, they thought through how they wanted this debate to go. They thought through the spots they were going to pick.

I guarantee they even practice, okay, when he brings up criminal immigrants, you're going to say, you're the criminal, dot, dot, dot, and then he's going to go in on that. When you get asked about flip-flop, apparently there was a plan to bring up his dad's net worth or whatever it was that threw him off track there. He has become predictable enough that they knew what his points were going to be and how she could throw him off. And they even telegraphed it in her opening remarks where she said, you know, you're going to

- Here's what you're gonna see today. - Yeah. - We have some of that. - You're gonna see a guy that talks about himself. We can roll that one. - Why don't we, guys, can we play D1 please? - That's really setting up the whole thing. - That's right. - Because this is important. This was the set piece. She telegraphed what she was gonna do. Then she did it and he took the bait every time. Zero discipline, it was ridiculous. Let's take a listen to her, please, from the beginning of what she said she was gonna do. - D1. - D1. - But I'm gonna tell y'all, in this debate tonight,

you're going to hear from the same old tired playbook, a bunch of lies, grievances, and name calling. What you're going to hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous plan called Project 2025 that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected again.

I believe very strongly that the American people want a president who understands the importance of bringing us together, knowing we have so much more in common than what separates us. And I pledge to you to be a president for all Americans. So there you go. Like you said, Ryan, she set up. You know what that reminded me of in the moment and did rewatching it there? Remember when Chris Christie...

Destroyed Marco Rubio. Because he said, watch. He said he has his memorized talking points and then Marco Rubio goes on to recite his memorized talking points and use them over again. And then Christie's able to see he's doing the thing I told you he was going to do. And Kamala did that exact same thing with Trump. Like, here's what you're going to hear tonight. And then when he would do something like this, see, I told you this is what he was going to do.

Yeah, you're exactly right. So I was just telling you guys while that clip was playing, a reporter who's in the room, the spin room, asked Lindsey Graham, how did you think the debate went? He said the debate team should be fired and that Trump was unprepared. Quote, disaster. As you said, Crystal, it's never Trump's fault. It's never Trump's fault. This is like when, remember they were saying that about Biden? Jim Clyburn originally. Yes. His original cope, he's like, oh, he wasn't well prepared. He was

reciting facts. - They did a lot of throwing the staff under the bus, remember? It was, oh, they worked him too hard and they were having him memorize too many facts or whatever instead of just letting Joe be Joe. Yeah, there was a lot of that. - Yeah, and we're gonna watch that now. I mean, Trump is a capricious man. He's deeply sensitive. So what's gonna happen? He is going to- - He's gonna lash out. - He's gonna lash out at his staff. We're gonna see him multiple truths.

and others. I wouldn't be surprised if we start to see, you know, who was it? Susie Wiles and Chris Lasavita already. There's major tension in the campaign between him and Corey Lewandowski. Corey's gonna use this against them. Corey's gonna use this against them. See, they screwed you, Mr. They are the ones who screwed you. That's so true.

And Laura Loomer was on the plane with Trump, right, today, on the way. Guarantee you she'll be like, oh, you got to get rid of these people. So look, when Trump- She's the one that told him about the Haitian cat situation, I'm sure. When Trump is in a bad spot, what happens is he always retreats to the most sycophantic, like the people who are the most willing. We saw this in Stop the Steals. Used to be the evangelicals. Yeah, when I was covering him in the White House, I saw this all the time.

Like when things got bad, it wasn't Jared and Ivanka. It was the Bannons, the Jenna Ellis's, all these other people. So I predict something like that. Mike Lindell. Mike Lindell, bingo. Exactly. The overstocked CEO. And that's only going to make things worse, right? It's going to make things even worse as we get into the overall stretch. I think this is a really good point because this takes us beyond the theater of the debate. And I think the theater itself matters.

Doesn't really change the debate doesn't really change the race that much like it could have if Kamala completely face-planted or if like Trump fell off the stage But you know, I don't see this moving the polls a whole lot in one way or another but the way that it will Substantively affect the race is exactly what you're talking about the way that Trump reacts to it because he can't handle it He was humiliated by a person he has contempt for and right he's gonna take it out now on

people like La Savita. - Yeah, people who are like professionals. - And it'll bring out the worst side of him. - Yes. - It'll bring out the worst side. - And he will retreat to the,

Yeah, exactly, to the worst people around him. And those worst people around him will use this to their advantage. And so there's only, what, how many days left? There's not enough time for him to be upending the race. And some states are, you know, starting to vote like now. Yeah, next week. North Carolina's out. It's a disaster. And North Carolina, as we were talking about in our pre-show, has the high chance of actually being the number two, according to Nate Silver, tipping point state.

So there's a lot of problems that happened for Trump tonight. I genuinely, I mean, look, everyone always said that Hillary won, you know, the general consensus was Hillary won all three debates. She still lost the election. Okay, so I'm like, we'll see. You know, I think he'd probably still win. I think the consensus was also kind of wrong. Was it? No, no, no. I don't disagree with you. I'm saying the media...

The media conversation around it was that Trump had lost, quote unquote, all three debates. Yeah. So, look, could he still win? Yeah. Sure. What will this have effect on the polls? I don't know. What do you guys think? Do you think she'll get a bump? Yeah. You think like maybe one, maybe two? I do think she will get a bump. I think it will be certainly not as consequential as the Biden debate, obviously. Yeah. But...

We do have very unique circumstances here. People feel like they don't really know who Kamala Harris is. And this was her first really big test on a giant stage. And I think the ratings for this are gonna be astronomical.

I mean, just from the normal people who aren't really political in my life that were texting me about it today. I have a feeling the nation was tuning into this. And certainly they will be tuning into the clips that get run and pulled from it, for sure. And she passed the test. She did more than pass the test. And the worst side of him was on display. It's sad.

So I do think that the polls will shift some. Do I think that it's going to be massive? No. Does it go back to, you know, more like what it was going into the convention when she had a pretty clear lead, but, you know, still very much on my side? I

I think that's probably where we're headed. And then the question is, does that sustain? Is she able to sustain that? Because to Ryan's point, you don't have to sustain it for that long. Like, we're down to the wire already. And Kamala says now she wants to do another debate. Do you guys think Trump is going to want to do this?

I do not think he, well, it depends. So he has agreed to NBC and Fox. She has only agreed, I believe, to NBC. So is he going to agree to an NBC News debate? Like, I have a high, I have a difficult. Maybe she'll quickly agree to Fox. Is she, I mean, mm.

I'm not sure she would agree to Fox. I don't think she would. Just because, look, when you came out of a good debate and then you just say, oh, I'm not going to acquiesce to a sycophantic people, even though the moderators on this one were biased in favor of you, there'd be enough media cover that she could probably get away with it. I think it is a very legitimate question of if Trump participates in another debate. I'm not ready to say he won't.

But just because his vanity generally gets the better of him and he always thinks he can take someone. And he's agreed. I mean, look, he agreed to debate Biden. But at this point, now he's got a debate which got Biden out of the race, which was objectively a disaster for Trump and the Trump campaign. And now he has another debate where he's going to 100 percent what's going to happen. He's going to.

blame the moderators, and he's going to blame his staff. Does he have the wherewithal to accept another debate under those circumstances? I'm not 100% sure. He might have taken away both debates in this race so far were bad for me, so why would I do another one? But I actually think that helps Kamala as well. I think you're probably right. You spoke a little bit of a bump. I mean, I certainly don't think the election was won or lost or anything like that tonight, but I think it is very consequential in that he blew a moment where both she rose to the place where she needed to be,

She probably reassured a lot of voters about like the who are you question. And then worse, every time she didn't want to reassure them about anything that she fake believes, she just laid up this very classic attack on Trump of he only cares about himself. And then he would validate those by taking the bait on all of these ridiculous areas. So on the issues front, he really failed to actually shine in the ways that I think he needed to. And that's objectively a disaster for his campaign.

Yeah, he hasn't gotten over Biden leaving the race yet. He's probably going to fume about that for days on truth and maybe jump over to Twitter with that. And part of that is part of not accepting Kamala Harris as his opponent is

comes from, I think, him just not respecting her whatsoever, holding her in complete contempt. And when you hold your adversary in contempt, it only comes back to bite you. That's right. Should we take some questions? That's absolutely right. Yeah, go ahead and pull up some questions. One last thought I had before we get to the questions is I think we also learned a lot about Kamala's theory, political theory of the case, and

and her approach in this debate. This was not a debate about here's my policy, here's how I'm gonna deliver. It was...

attempt to turn it into a referendum on Donald Trump. - He had one policy, $50,000 for startups. - Yeah, right. - Not a bad policy. - I actually was at the bathroom, you guys told me about this, but Trump gets asked about healthcare and what did he say? Like, "I have some concepts and formation." - I have concepts of a plan, I have some concepts of a plan, quote, but I'm not president.

Okay, so, but it was, you know, there was very little policy and that was clearly by design. And they also started running this ad today, I think, where it was a reprisal of Obama's crowd size joke.

And so you know that that rally line was planned to coincide with the Obama rally-sized joke. And, you know, so they're leaning into that as well. That was like their equivalent, I think, of that little girl was me moment that they had planned out in advance.

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I have to think about it. I'm not sure. If I had to say, I think this one was probably worse just because first time against Kamala, Biden is such a known quantity, so many more questions about Kamala and her abilities, you rising to her. I think the stakes were higher in this debate and that's why it matters more. And the opportunity was so much greater. Like there was so much damage he could have done because she's not known. There's only so much you can do to a 2020 Biden.

And those views of her are hardening very quickly. So every opportunity you miss to define her, throw her off balance, make her appear like, you know, the word clouds that we got that were incompetent, make her appear like that caricature ish incompetent person that, you know, has that image that has been spun up over these number of years.

Every time you miss those opportunities, the clock is ticking down to election day point by point. So, you know, also that Biden debate, I believe it was probably a little earlier, too. So there was also probably more time to recover from it. But they were also just both individuals whose images were largely hardened. So it was...

The stakes were a bit lower. It was actually later. It was September 29th. Crazy to think about. I know. Wow. September 29th, 2020. All right. What else have we got here? They say, oh, question. What were your thoughts on the foreign policy sections of the debate? Yeah, I think we can all guess. I mean, this lady, I'll let you guys handle Israel. On Ukraine, ridiculous. She basically implied that the only acceptable condition of victory in Ukraine is total Ukrainian victory. It's like, okay, we're going to be there until the goddamn end of the century then.

if that's the plan. On Afghanistan, she was both defending the first time that a Democrat has defended Biden's withdrawal of Afghanistan. Cool. I think the- Let's give her a con. A proxy was out there on the Sunday show defending it at the time. So she's like, well, it's good that we got out and now we're not paying for it. And I was like, oh, this is good. This is good. And at the end, she's like, and he invited a terrorist to camp

David. I'm like, well, you know, we were fighting a war against them. So that's probably how you should end a war. You want to negotiate at Camp David. There's a lot of bad people living in Camp David. That's how you get some shit to be over. It's just incoherent. So anyways, those are my general thoughts. I'll let you guys handle Israel. Go ahead. On Ukraine, I noticed a little, not to whine on behalf of Republicans, but there was a moment where the

David Muir is saying, you know, do you want Ukraine to win this war? Yes, that's right. Multiple times. That's right. And Trump says, I want the war to end. Yeah. Unusually anti-war for a presidential candidate. Yeah. Like against the war. By far, in my opinion, like his best answer. Because he gave the same one to CNN and the media freaked out about it then too. And he's obviously on the side of the American people who want to also end the war. But then when he...

circled over to Kamala Harris for that question, he said, I want to ask you about support for Ukraine. Which is different than saying, to ask you about support for Ukraine, that's different than saying do you want Ukraine to win the war. It's a much softer way of letting her into it, but then she still went in with that extremely hawkish. The equivalent question would be, you know, does

are you going to just continue this war forever? What are your conditions? At what point do you end? Is it important to negotiate? Right. I mean, listen, on the foreign policy. So first of all, I thought overall the foreign policy section was Trump's strongest section. Yes. I thought if the whole debate was that section, they were roughly at a draw.

In terms of the substance, I mean, Kamala's Israel answer was exactly what Kamala's Israel answer has been. The question was framing was actually kind of sympathetic to Palestinians. It was like, hey, there's been a lot of suffering. This many have died and nothing has changed. What would you do different? Nothing.

lay up to, you know, put some distance between yourself and this president and this horrifically, like, you know, atrocious policy that is wildly unpopular. But we all knew she wasn't going to do that. We talked about it beforehand. She went through her whole, like, memorized, same thing she said at the convention, same thing she says every time she gets these in. So that sucked. Obviously, Trump sucks on Israel. You know, he's...

Always. And his line is always the same. Oh, this never would have happened. Never would have happened. Okay. Well, it did. So what now? Right. In terms of Ukraine, you know, on the substance, obviously the worst crime that we committed on Ukraine was scuttling. And now we have even more confirmation of the way we scuttled this early peace deal that could have happened.

could have avoided so much tragedy and loss, et cetera. And there's no indication that she has any desire to break from the Biden policy on Ukraine. I also would be remiss if I didn't say it's one of the areas where his policy is actually the most popular in terms of when people ask, how's he doing on this and that issue? This is one of the areas where he pulls the best.

So to separate my own feelings on the issue from, you know, what I think how it will be received, all her bluster about the Taliban in Afghanistan and what she said about Ukraine and standing with our allies. And that's why we have to turn a page on Donald Trump and also baiting him there to remember about foreign leaders.

Having contempt for him. She did that in that section as well, which he, again, took the bait and spent an inordinate amount of time talking about Viktor Orban for God knows what reason. But I think that the way she presented those things

even though I disagree with her in certain very key and important ways, I think it probably did land with the general audience. - The funny thing is on the Orban point, it's like, you know, we would be lucky if 15% of this country knew who Emmanuel Macron was, like the president. It's like, dude, name check, Viktor Orban.

But this is, again, the online brain. Because this is a leader that there's a fixation with in online right-wing subcultures. You know, you drop a true social about Victor Orban and everybody knows what you're talking about. I'm like, yeah, grandma in Wisconsin definitely knows who Victor Orban is, bro. Like, yeah, can people even name the prime minister of the UK? Probably not. Like, no way. That's our closest ally, let alone the damn

president of Hungary. And maybe somebody in the comments can help us out here because I have had no success finding out what the heck Kamala Harris was talking about with this thing where accusing Trump of giving chips. The China chip thing?

- To China? - What? Remember early on she said Trump sold us out by giving our chips to China to make their military better or something like that. Yeah, I don't know what it was about. - There's gotta be some serious-- - I'm sure there's some something. - If I had to guess, it's something about-- - He even looked confused like I don't know what you're talking about.

It's also certainly not true because the Trump administration banned Huawei. They had CFIUS that it put- And they arrested like the vice president of Huawei, right? Well, I think that was Canada. I'm pretty sure you're talking about. Possibly with USA Today. Anyway, we don't need to get bogged down. But she took the tack in that whole portion of trying to out-

Yes, yes. Trump on China. Right. She even was like, you sent a tweet about President Xi congratulating him. Oh, and she did the lab leak. Oh, yeah. That was your favorite part. Kamala's a lab leaker. She was like, Xi congratulated President Xi when he was covering up the origins of COVID. I'm like, what? What?

So Kamala, you know Kamala? Okay, Ryan, let's at least take that, bro. We won. It took us four years. We got the vice president of a democratic administration to admit at least that there were quote-unquote questions around COVID. The funniest way for her to finish her closing remarks would have been like, oh, and by the way, Trump funded the Wuhan lab. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He

He would have lost his mind. And then he covered it up. Fauci and Trump. Trump-Fauci funded the Wuhan lab. Just skip Fauci. Trump funded it. Trump funded the Wuhan. Obama had a moratorium. Yeah, that's right. He lifted it. Trump reversed the Obama moratorium on gaming. He would have melted right there. Oh my God. Game over. Games over.

- And every Democrat would be like, yes, that's exactly what happened. - They would! - Yes, yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. - They'd be in the spin room immediately afterwards. - Natural origin. - Like, party sellers or whoever, they'd be all in. - I never believed in a natural origin. - One last question, I think. - That's amazing. - From Tara Albaran. What was the single most determinative moment in the debate and what do you anticipate the cope will be?

The one that we played where he responded on rallies. That was it. That was when it was solidified for me. I think that was roughly, what, 25, 30 minutes or so. And it was the first time of the border section. And I said, that's it. He's lost. He lost it. He has no discipline. He let himself get riled up and angry. And from then on, I think it would just continue to be downhill. And he did it over and over and over again. If people were watching from the Skycam, they could have seen Sagar flopping around like a fish in the boat. It was so interesting. I was mad. I mean, you know.

You believe in things and you see them go to shit on national television, you're like, okay, all right, great. I'm torn between that moment or that series of moments where she just throws out the bait and he just chases after it like, you know, whatever. Or the abortion exchange because I do think- That's true, that was big too. And this is, you know, it was kind of Kamala-esque, frankly, because-

she normally is the one who gets a predictable question and screws it all up. There was nothing more predictable in this debate than that you were gonna get asked about abortion. Like you knew this question was coming. You know specifically you're gonna get asked about a national abortion ban, which J.D. Vance had said you would veto. You knew this was coming and you can't handle, you still don't know what to say on this issue.

I think it's just that one is so consequential to so many voters. It's clearly been such a motivating factor and it's just such a clear winner for Democrats that, you know, I do think that that also was a very determinative moment. What do you think, Ryan? Yeah, the knock on Harris was that she doesn't prepare. Instead, Trump didn't prepare. And he just flopped. I think that that's right. Like him, her being able to just lead him by the nose around

Just made him look ridiculous. Yeah, and made him miss all the opportunities he has to score points where he

his policies are more popular. - Interesting, so apparently Trump himself actually just came into the-- - Spin room. - Into the spin room. - Of course he did. - So that's generally a bad sign. - That's a sign he knows it went bad. You know, I also knew he realized towards the end it went bad because there was a moment when they were getting to the final questions where he starts trying to rattle off everything that he'd clearly prepared.

fracking and Medicare fraud but ending private insurance it was like oh you realize the clock is ticking down right all your good stuff you're trying you're like oh shit I didn't say that I saw that too with his last statement he was trying to just spray and pray all about there and I was like

- That's exactly right. - It's been a long time. That's the other problem, I realized very early on is statistically the vast majority of people only watch for like 30 minutes. Almost nobody watches this entire thing. You're very rare if you do. You watch the first 30, you get a sense of it and you go to bed, especially if you're on the East Coast. And that was when Trump really whiffed it. They had whiffed it on abortion and then he whiffed it on immigration back to back.

two most consequential issues of this entire election. So that was my takeaway. And knowing him too, the fact that he's in that spin room, he is there because he probably immediately turned on the television afterwards, saw the coverage, and he goes, I need to go out there and I need to reclaim. He's trying to change the narrative. So far, I haven't seen anything that he's said. I mean, those days are kind of...

over, you know, it's, I think the spin room used to be a lot more consequential than it is at this point. But, you know, to your point about his closing statement, the message there is very effective. It's like, okay, you got all these great ideas, where were they for three and a half years? How does it take you to the very end of the debate before that ever comes out of your mouth? - Totally. - Because that should have been what, he could have hit her on that-- - Over. - Over and over and over again. And that's how you get a message.

to actually sink in. You can't just say it once at the end of the debate. That needed to, that could have been a refrain, you know, no matter what she was talking about on Ukraine, on healthcare, on energy, whatever it was, he could have been saying that and it doesn't come out till the very end when he realizes like, oh shit, I gotta do something to try to turn this around and put lipstick on this pig. Yeah, that's right. All right, any closing thoughts? Ryan, what do you think?

- I think Trump going out to the spin room is great evidence of the point that you were making earlier that he's gonna unravel for a week or two. But so much more could still happen. Maybe there's a breakthrough in Ukraine or something, like a collapse over there.

The election is still wide open. Yes, good point. That's the point. Yeah, that's absolutely. So what do you think is going to happen with the polls with regard to this debate, if anything? I think she probably does get a little tiny bump from people listening

leaving Trump. Yeah. I mean, like, yeah, like a couple people are like, you know. And also, I think she's gonna raise a absolute fuck ton of money. So much money. Like, like a hundred million dollars like in a week or something crazy. And she just has to make people not hate her. Yeah. And she did fine. Right. If that's the goal in that debate. And,

And be an acceptable alternative and people be able to envision you in the role and like rise the case still no idea what she stands for No, I mean I think I think we've covered it all not a good night for Trump not determinative right I think she did herself a lot of favors and the question has been can she like vibe and meme her way into November and

And every day that goes by, we're closer to her being able to pull that off because she's going to get a phenomenal news cycle out of this. Right. She's going to get a phenomenal news cycle. The clips are going to be circulating. He's going to be fuming and doing himself no favors. There's going to be all kinds of, like, leaks out of his campaign, this one throwing this one under the bus and all that stuff. And, you know, so I think she's the—

The strategy of running out the clock and vibing and memeing till November is kind of working out pretty well right now. Certainly could work. Also, now Taylor Swift has weighed in. So, yeah, my general one is just what a missed opportunity. And it just shows you that the Trump, you know, the chaotic Trump, the one that everybody said shouldn't appear, he just can't help himself sometimes. And if you're such an easy mark for Kamala, who's not, let's be honest,

Like we're not looking at the most talented politician in modern American history. I think a lot of people are going to read into that. And you certainly, at the very least, you really did not give yourself the opportunity to be that change candidate that people wanted you to be from those undecided voters we saw in the New York Times. You give Kamala an equal shot at that and that very much, you know, that ethos through the election going up, it could be what costs you at the end of the day.

When we're this tight, everything matters. And the stakes were crazy high. There was no... His greatest asset is his charm and his levity. And when he makes people laugh when they don't even want to laugh. And there was none. None of that side of him tonight. So, yeah. Be interesting to see what he's saying in the spin room. All right. We will have comprehensive coverage continuing here on Breaking Points. So we will see you all later.

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