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An Economic Update from Point72's Dean Maki

2024/10/28
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Dean Maki: Point72认为美国经济短期内不太可能出现衰退,预计GDP增长将保持强劲,通货膨胀将下降但不会降至美联储目标水平。经济持续强劲增长的一个主要原因是私营服务部门的追赶式招聘,带动了消费支出增长。美联储预计将在11月和12月分别降息25个基点,但降息的风险在于通货膨胀可能停留在高于目标水平。关税上调和移民限制可能会减缓美国GDP增长。Point72的经济预测帮助投资者更好地调整投资组合。 此外,企业利润率接近历史高位,这表明企业不太可能大规模裁员,这是经济具有韧性的一个重要因素。美联储的政策可能类似于20世纪90年代的“机会主义性通货紧缩”,即即使通货膨胀高于目标,也不会加息,而是等待经济衰退来降低通货膨胀。 关于美国财政状况,长期可持续性存在问题,但市场何时会对此表示担忧尚不确定。大规模关税可能会提高通货膨胀,但其影响程度取决于实际实施的关税数量。欧元区经济增长缓慢,存在衰退风险;中国实施的刺激计划可能有助于其实现增长目标;日本已摆脱通货紧缩。货币供应量并非预测通货膨胀的直接指标,但大幅波动可能具有预测意义。中性利率并非指导美联储制定短期政策的理想指标,因为短期内还有其他因素影响经济。 即将发布的就业报告可能难以解读,因为飓风和罢工的影响难以量化,美联储可能不会因此改变其降息计划。 Lauren Rublin: 主持访谈,提出问题,引导讨论。 Ben Levisohn: 分析企业盈利情况,认为尽管企业盈利增长不错,但与以往相比有所放缓,且超预期业绩的企业数量减少,这表明盈利季节略显令人失望。大型科技公司本周的财报重点在于利润率和人工智能对核心业务的影响。麦当劳的财报关注点将集中在其大肠杆菌疫情的处理上。星巴克的财报将关注新任CEO扭转公司局面的计划。房地产和公用事业类股票今年表现良好,但投资者应谨慎选择,避免过度乐观。黄金价格上涨可能与央行购买行为和美元地位的变化有关。假设大选顺利进行,股市预计将在年底前继续上涨,但涨幅可能有限。

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What is the role of a chief economist at Point72?

The chief economist at Point72 provides impartial and real-time analysis to investors. They interpret economic data, such as employment reports, and deliver detailed insights directly to investors, allowing for immediate and tailored responses to economic developments.

What is Dean Maki's outlook on the U.S. economy and the likelihood of a recession?

Dean Maki does not foresee a recession in the near term. He believes the U.S. economy will continue to grow robustly, with GDP growth expected at 3% in the third quarter and around 2.5% thereafter. He also notes that inflation has decreased significantly but may not reach the Fed's 2% target.

What factors have contributed to the U.S. economy's surprising strength?

The U.S. economy's strength is largely due to catch-up hiring in the private services sector, which accounts for 84% of U.S. employment. This hiring surge has provided households with income, fueling consumer spending and creating a virtuous cycle of economic growth.

What are Dean Maki's expectations for Federal Reserve policy in the near term?

Dean Maki expects the Fed to cut interest rates by 25 basis points in both November and December. He believes the Fed will continue this pace of rate cuts through mid-2024, though stronger-than-expected growth could lead to an earlier pause in rate cuts.

What are the risks to Dean Maki's bullish economic forecast?

The primary risks include potential tariff increases and immigration restrictions, both of which could slow GDP growth. Tariffs historically reduce growth, while reduced immigration could lower potential GDP growth by limiting the labor force.

How does Dean Maki view the impact of corporate profit margins on the economy?

Corporate profit margins, which are near record highs, have been a key factor in the economy's resilience. High margins discourage large-scale job cuts and expense reductions, supporting continued economic growth. Maki believes margins will remain strong, aligning with GDP growth.

What is the outlook for tech earnings, particularly for companies like Alphabet, Meta, and Microsoft?

Tech earnings are expected to focus heavily on margins and the impact of AI. For Alphabet, concerns include potential declines in search traffic and capex spending. Meta is expected to show improved margins due to AI enhancements, while Microsoft faces scrutiny over Azure's growth and AI-related spending.

How might fiscal policy differ under a second Trump term versus a Harris administration?

Under a second Trump term, fiscal policy could lead to higher deficits due to tax cut extensions. A Harris administration might result in smaller deficits, but the actual impact depends on the composition of Congress. Tariffs under either administration could slow growth and temporarily increase inflation.

What is Dean Maki's perspective on the U.S. deficit and its potential impact on the economy?

Maki acknowledges that the U.S. fiscal situation is unsustainable in the long term, but the timing of when this becomes a critical issue is uncertain. He notes that concerns about the deficit sporadically affect markets, but there is no clear way to predict or trade around these concerns.

What is the economic outlook for Europe, China, and Japan?

Europe is experiencing sluggish growth and is vulnerable to a potential trade war-induced recession. China's recent stimulus aims to stabilize growth around its target, while Japan has emerged from deflation, a significant milestone for its economy.

What are Dean Maki's thoughts on the neutral rate and its relevance to Fed policy?

Maki believes the neutral rate is not a useful guide for near-term Fed policy due to various short-term economic drivers. He estimates the long-term neutral rate at around 3%, but emphasizes that it is not a key metric for current monetary policy decisions.

What is the significance of the upcoming U.S. jobs report, and how might it influence the Fed?

The jobs report is expected to be influenced by hurricane effects and strikes, making it difficult to draw clear conclusions about the underlying economy. Unless there is a significant upside surprise, the Fed is unlikely to alter its planned 25 basis point rate cut in response to the report.

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Barron's Senior Managing Editor Lauren R. Rublin and Deputy Editor Ben Levisohn discuss the outlook for markets and companies in the news. They will also speak with Dean Maki, Chief Economist at Point72, about his economic and interest-rate forecasts.