Charlamagne tha God On Diddy Tape, Catching Gay, and Nuclear War
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- What do white people do when the question or the thing they're thinking about could be offensive? - Probably keep it to yourself. - There's only a couple of white people that can do that. Andrew, Joe Rogan, maybe Theo Vaughn because he gives off autistic. So like I did a diary of CEOs. - The title was crazy. - Crazy! - What the fuck?

A woman molested me as a kid. I cheated on my soulmate. Look at this. I'm nailed on it. This is crazy. It is wild that I'm not afraid. I can't be afraid of, like, somebody putting a dick in my ass. Wait, hold on. That would just... Why would I? I think there are a lot of people that are afraid that they'll catch gang. Nobody knows for a fact you can't catch... Brother, ooh.

- I do have a friend that I do believe actually caught it. - Talk to us! - He did mushrooms, he started watching trans porn, and then he started hooking up with dudes. - Rewind his whole brain. - And then he stopped hooking up with dudes after like six months. He was like, "I'm not gay anymore." - What do you mean with trans women though? - No, no, no, then he just started hooking up with full dudes. - No, don't start with that. - Oh, okay, okay, okay. He didn't want no cut on it no more. - Yeah, exactly. - He wanted the pure. He wanted the pure. - He wanted that one.

Alex found out I'm a civil rights hero. Let's talk about it. No, we don't have to talk about it on air. It seems braggadocious. Off air, I think, was more appropriate. No, so you just had to say it right now. No, off air. I don't want to talk. Are we recording? I don't want to talk about it on air. Off air, we can talk about I'm a civil rights hero abroad. It's not a story for me to tell. I would never share something like this. What happened? Who knows the story? Alex hit me. Are we recording? I don't want to waste this. Yes, we're recording.

Okay. Oh, we're coincident. Oh, wow. Okay. What a coincidence. Oh, so I'll wait. I'll tell it after. Yeah, yeah. You can tell it after. But if you guys want to know, no, I was in Columbia this past week. Which Columbia? South Carolina. Here's at the protest. Here's at the protest. Okay. Maryland? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so I was there with a good friend of mine. He's from there, but he's back and forth here and there. He's starting like a concierge business. And so he was showing us around and it was like,

It was amazing. And then he talked about the time that Schultz went there a couple of years ago. And he was like, oh man, Schultz is such a good dude. I always remember like Schultz was looking to buy his wife a ring or a pearl or something like that. And he was going into- Emerald. Oh, emerald, yeah. He was going into this jewelry store. And the concierge service also comes with

to make sure you're good 24-7. And the security's darker skin. They wouldn't let the security guy in the jewelry store. And Schultz is like, well, you guys just missed out on

whatever amount of money he was going to pay for this ring because I'm not going in if he can't go in. G's up, dude. G's up. That has nothing to do with race. That has nothing to do with safety. He was like, I'm not going in that door. No, it was safe in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the store is safe. When he comes out, the security's still there. Yeah. And then I thought, I was like, damn, if he just did that with me in Sweden. Yeah.

You were acting up though. It's never enough. You were acting up. It's never enough. You were fighting. Yeah, exactly. You're lucky he didn't leave you. No, I just stood my ground. No, no, no. They should understand that. No one else feels that way. You know, Zimmerman says the same thing. I just stood my ground. That's his point. Be careful about that. That's his point. What are you missing the whole joke?

That's why I laughed like a fucking idiot. Oh, I didn't know it was a joke. I was being serious. I thought you were laughing because you were uncomfortable. Okay, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait. I just want to clarify. The reason why I didn't want to offer this store my business is because I had asked the security guard

who happened to be black, if when we went in to buy the emeralds, while I was distracting them, if he could steal some. That's right. And they picked up on it and then I just accused them of being racist, which I learned from Black Crack. Remember, you know, when you guys are planning to rob a store and then the white people are like, hey, why are you going to rob? Why are you racist? What's crazy, when did the security guard already hit that place before? And so they was like, no, not him. Yeah, not him.

They got a sign on the window. We fucking got you. So you just assumed they was racist just because of the guy had darker skin. I did, bro. Damn. Well, not me. Your boy did.

No, I did. Yeah, I did too. I thought they weren't letting him in. I don't believe this story. Why? Why not? Okay. This actually happened? Maybe I just didn't want to buy a fucking stupid ring from my wife. Have you ever thought about that? And I used their racism to my advantage. Smart. I saved a lot of money. That's it. Oh, that's so smart. My wife doesn't need an emerald. Okay. Because she got a diamond now, which is more expensive. Talk my shit. Talk my shit, y'all. Talk my shit.

shit, okay? We got Charlemagne the God and the Mother of God. New book out now. Go cop it. Get Honest, a guideline why small talk sucks, baby. My third book. My third literary baby. You know what's funny is that...

Small talk specifically is something I'm so horrible at. It's unbelievable. Because you don't have time for it. Well, yeah, explain. We've talked about this before, but you have a good theory about why it is. I never knew that I didn't like small talk until our discussion, by the way. Because you like macro conversations. Okay. You're the type of person, Andrew comes in hot.

Whether it's in the group chat, whether it's on the podcast, whether it's on the stage, you want to get right to it. We don't have time for the pleasantries, the hi. I mean, hi's, greetings are cool. But it's like, then let's get into it. And then let's get into it. I feel anxiety when we're not getting into it. Yes, because we, because you know, like why are we eating appetizers? We're hungry. We want the meat. You know what I'm saying? Pause. Bring the actual entree to the table. Let's talk about it. Yeah. Like, like,

It's like everybody's just circling each other, waiting to see who's going to say what first. Who's going to set it off. I wonder if this is why we got along even so many years ago. Because I remember you would walk into a room and you would just drop some shit. Let's go. And then people would sometimes react like, oh my God, what's going on? And I would be relieved.

Because I'd be like, finally, this fake bullshit that we've got going on right here is done. Somebody said something that we all have to react to. That's right. And we either react to it by trying to ignore it, and then you get to call that person out by being fake. That's right. Or that person just opened a floodgates, and now we're laying in. And everybody knows when you're doing it. Everybody knows when everybody's bullshitting each other. Do they? Are there people? I absolutely believe that they know. But what also this book does, it gives you permission to not even have the big talk if you don't want to. Okay, so how do you tap out of that? It's

just simply say, I don't want to talk about this right now. Well, I then, when you do that, I go further. Yeah. When it comes to conversation, no does not mean no. But that's true, though. I'm the same way, sadly. Right? But then it's like, yo, you got to respect people's boundaries, too. But also, just tell people, I don't want to talk about this right now. You're the biggest asshole because you're like the nicest guy when you walk in a room. You will walk up to every single person in the room and make them all feel comfortable. That's right. And then you'll be like, how much you paying taxes last year? Like,

All I need is one. I don't need to captivate the whole room. When Shia walks in the room, I'm like, please don't be me. Don't be me. You're talking to somebody. All you need is one. Once you get that one person in conversation, everybody's going to be like, what's so funny over there? What's so interesting over there? The next thing you know, they all start coming on over. Yeah, yeah. Now we're about to have a party. You ever see someone with autism doing that rock?

Jewish people? Yeah, Jewish people. I feel like... That's so funny, because I do have a joke about how Judaism and autism are the closest thing. Because when Jews pray, they're doing this, and when autistic people are just trying to hold back something, they're doing this. But that's what I feel like is going on in your head, right? In your head, I feel like when you're in that moment where everybody's bullshitting, I feel like you just rock it. That's right. You're like, okay, who's going to say it? That's right. And Diddy. And by the way, you know who knows that?

better than anybody? My wife. My wife would just be like, here you go. I could say one thing, she'd be like, here you go. Here you go. Here you go. But it's like, yo, I don't like it. Let's just have the conversation. Let's talk. What I'm trying to say is most people

Okay. Most people do small talk because they're anxious. Most people do small talk because they don't have anything, because they're anxious and because they don't really have anything to say. For sure. For sure. But I also assume that it's inspired by, they just, they don't want to rock the boat. They want everybody to get along. They want everything to just be fine in this moment. They have some anxiety. But I feel like we don't like small talk because it makes us anxious.

Yes, because I know that y'all actually want to be talking about something bigger, especially us, because we're public figures and people hear us talk about things. They've heard us say something on the radio, heard us say something on the podcast. They've been waiting who knows how long to have this conversation with us. Now, sometimes, because I'm an asshole, I'll stall you out. Okay, go. Meaning I'll just...

Keep talking about everything else. Everything else. Just because I know the joy it's going to bring you to talk about whatever it is. You edge them? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I really love? When you're edging them, edging them, edging them. And they be like, yeah, so what do you think about Diddy? And yo, you know what else is crazy?

Yo, did you see what's going on outside? Just because you just keep pushing it off, pushing it off, pushing it off. We're going to talk about this when I'm ready to talk about it. Not when you're ready to talk about it. Do you remember, so it was like the day or two before my wedding. And this is how I know I've cultivated a good group of people from young to old.

It was day before my wedding. You had that moment with Kamala. Do you remember that? The day before? Yeah, the day before. This guy was getting drone struck on the way into the wedding. People weren't even, there was no like, hey, how you doing? They knew exactly who he was. Old and young walking up. Hey, I like what you did with Kamala. It was straight, no small talk. Yeah, yeah. Whispering to you, Maga. Like, oh. Yeah.

That's how we converted them. Hell maga. Like what? But no, yes. But I like that too because that also...

When you walk into a room full of people that you may not know, it makes it easier to just open up conversation. Let's go. Because they have something they want to talk to you about. So once again, there's no small talk. What do white people do when they don't want to have small talk, but the question or the thing they're thinking about could be offensive? What would you suggest to them?

I would say, depends, I would find somebody that you trust or you think you can trust. But what if they're not there? White person in a room full of black people. Probably keep it to yourself. So you're saying just do a small talk? What if they need, what if they're like, you know, why are you guys responsible for half of the murder? If you think it's going to go wrong.

If you think it's going to go wrong, just don't even bring it up. But you can't. You start rocking. You're getting the rock. They're getting the rock. They're like a white you. What would you do? Nah, you can't. See, that's the privilege of being black. Yeah.

Oh, so you guys just... There's only a couple of white people that can do that. Andrew, Joe Rogan, maybe Theo Vaughn because he gives off autistic. You know what I'm saying? No, just because he gives it off. Returning to be retired. Yeah, yeah. Because they'll just laugh. They'll be like, oh.

Is that why all these celebrities are pretending they're retarded now so they can get away with saying things? You have an excuse. Maybe. I mean, I think you're probably a little, you know. I was in the slow class for real, though. No. I was. No, I mean emotionally retarded. I don't mean, you're one of the smartest people I've ever met, but emotionally, you got a little Asperger's. But I failed a standardized test and I was in one of those classes for like a semester.

Really? Yeah, absolutely. I was in the class with the people I used to tease on Shrek. Retardation doesn't work just for a summer. I'm telling you, I failed a standardized test, and they put me in this class with kids who had other learning disabilities. So tell me, what did you learn from that? To leave the motherfuckers alone because they're strong. Okay? Okay.

Listen, I used to tease this one kid so much. His name, I don't even want to say his name because he, who knows? He's gotten stronger now. He might not even be Flo no more. You know what I'm saying? It might have just been a high school kid. That's right. He'll pull up. Right? But we used to call him Peter Pan. Why? Because whenever you went up to him and whispered, Peter,

he would lose his shit. I mean, Peter Pan is not there! Like, he would go crazy. So we'd call him Peter Pan. So we was in chorus class, and, like, we were singing, like, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, and I changed it to, like, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindog. He'd lose his fucking mind. It's deer, you fucking idiot! It's deer! So when I ended up in the class with this kid, right...

Even though I really felt bad for myself, right? Because I'm in this class. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Because you're not retarded. No. You're in a retarded class. You're brilliant. Your mom is a teacher. Yes. So they would have these kids at the computer. We'd be sitting at the desk. They let the retards play with the computers? Yeah. Would they just start? It wasn't plugged in, don't worry.

And so I'm sitting behind him and he's typing and I'm just whispering to him going crazy and he's losing his mind But I'm acting like I'm not doing nothing right? So I'm just looking around like yo, what's up? And the teachers like what's wrong? Like he's talking to the kid. What's wrong? What's wrong? And he goes

It's Larry McKenzie, the big nose idiot. Like, holy shit. Wait, what race is this guy to call you a big nose idiot? Yeah, that feels a little way. But for him, he might be too retarded to be a racist. I didn't even know he knew my name.

Right. So not only did he say my full name, he hit me with a joke that everybody used to hit me with in school. I was bulky nose. Yeah, but no racism. It was pure inside. You're right. If he was like a racist person, that's the moment where you're at your boiling point and you drop the word. You're right. But he just called you a big nose idiot. He's a pure kind soul. You bullied a pure kind soul. How dare you? Big nose nigga would have hit though.

Now I'm saying, racist, retarded is crazy, but that would have hit crazy in that moment. That would have hit kind of crazy. Can you accuse a retarded person of racism? No. No, you can't, right? Well, you can try. But no, that's not going to stick. Yeah, it's not going to stick. They have more struggle than you, so they're fine. They have immunity. You think so? Most things. Yeah. Hmm.

I mean, wow, if you got called the N-word by a retarded person, you deserved it. You kind of deserved it. Like, what the fuck were you doing? By the way, everything I did to those kids back then, all of the jokes, everything I got, I deserved it. Really? What did you get? The success? Millions of dollars? Everything that I've got in my life is karma for bullying retarded people. Houses all over.

I deserved all this success. He's like a vampire. I'm talking about back then, man. I remember when I was writing for your show on MTV2, you told a story that stuck with me for years where there was a kid. You guys were like doing some real thug type shit. And this kid was not, but he was trying to fit in with you all. Said he had a gun. You had him bring the gun to school, then reported him to the cops.

I don't know if I ruined it You can't bring guns this listen you might have a life exactly the school sure exactly why is this kid got a gun

got a gun why do you have a gun at school bro thank you that's good okay why would you show me this on the way to school a retarded kid with a gun why would you have a gun i was dead yeah okay okay when they put you back in the regular class was there an acknowledgement from the teachers were they ever like yo that was our bad yo you're not as retarded no i failed the standardized test i never got on track in high school

Ever. What do you mean? Like, I never got on track. Like, I failed several times. You were slow in more ways than that. Yeah.

I failed seventh and eighth grade, had to go to summer school. Ninth grade I failed, my dad was like, "Fuck that," made me stay back. So I never got on track. I graduated in night school. - Really? - Yeah, so ninth and 10th grade, ninth and 10th grade was the farthest I got in high school. - Holy shit. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So you got like a GED. - And I got kicked out of one school. I got kicked out of Berkeley High School, and then I was in Stratford High School, and I got arrested from Stratford and did 45 days in jail. - At what age?

I don't know, 16, 17? Did you see that kid that you reported for bringing the gun into school? No. Did you guys cross paths at all? I don't know which guy you're talking about. Because it was more than one. All right. Guns, weed. You got like $100 for a gun. Maybe $1.50. Oh, wait a minute. They collected the money. You think I'm doing it for no reason? No.

But you can't convince them to come to school to go no, I didn't convince them it was just a reward They used to say hey, they collected the money wash from the roof. If you see something say something Hey, he got weed on him. Well, I feel like you looking at me saying that we're a little

racism. Say something, make a direct eye contact for the first time in the whole podcast? What's that about? No, it was just a thing. I did my civic duty. It was for all the wrong reasons. It was for all the wrong reasons because I was only doing it for the money, but...

Who knows how many lives I made? You might have saved a lot of lives. Who knows how many lives I made? You're a fucking hero. Yo, even turning people in for weed. Weed is a gateway drug. It is. Okay? What if those people would have thought of smoking weed in high school and went on to stronger things? That's true. I saved lives, bro. Gateway to what? The prison industrial complex? Yeah. Crack. That is amazing. Which you sold? I know.

You're worried about the little things. You're worried about micro. We're supposed to be talking about macro. We're supposed to be talking about macro. Let's talk about macro. No more small talk. No more small talk, bro. Exactly. Exactly.

Do you ever look back at shit that you shared about yourself? Remember when you do the runs in the beginning saying who you are? Oh, my God. Do you ever look back at those things and be like, I should have small-talked. I was having a panic attack this weekend thinking about that shit. Because just putting out a book, I don't know how it feels when y'all do y'all...

but when you put something out to the world and you know everybody is going through it in that moment with a fine-tooth comb. Like, I was sitting at home like, yo, it's mad people reading this book right now. Yo, should I have said, shared this? Should I have shared that? And then, you know, I had

I did mad book signings last week, so people were coming with both my books, and I'm like, or all three of my books, and I'm like, oh, shit. And kind of with a book, the thing that gets the most publicity is the most vulnerable person. That's what the media is going to pass around. Charlamagne in his new book said X, Y, Z. Absolutely. And we live in an era where people take everything seriously.

I don't want to say out of context, but they just put things through their lens and their filter. Basically, they put things through the lens of what they know is going to get their website the most clicks. The most engagement. So, like, I did Diary of a CEO. The CEO this week was... His title was crazy. What the?

I'm sorry for myself. I was like, I've been telling this story for years. I ain't never seen this shit work. And I felt so bad because I told you to go in there. That's what it says. I was like, damn, they set this nigga up. A woman molested me as a kid. I cheated on my soulmate. What the fuck? Bro.

What the fuck? Who's clicking that? Bro, I don't know. That makes it seem like your soulmate is the person that molested you. It's really crazy putting those back and forth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really crazy. This shit, bro. A woman who molested me has to get an exclamation point. That's the worst part. Why is there excitement around me? A woman who molested me has to get an exclamation point. Yeah, say it how you... I'm generally

This shit is an hour and a half long. You've heard me tell this story a million times. I've written about it in my books. Look at that thumbnail, though. This shit's crazy. That shit. Bro, I said I should have done that. I'm not gonna lie, though. Has your wife seen that thumbnail? I don't think so. I hope not. That shit was crazy. I felt so bad because I told him to go on that show, too. But is that story even in this book? That was from old books. Oh.

I mean, no, no, no, no. I do, because I talk about, in the book, I talk about my father telling me about how, and when I confronted him about cheating on my mom, and he was like, you only got one girlfriend? Yeah. So that's for me. Yo, can I just say, that's an all-time response. Yeah, it's really unbelievable. Charlemagne goes to his dad and confronts him for cheating on his mom, and his dad looks back at Charlemagne and goes, what are you, gay? You only got one. Nah, nah, this is the 90s.

He's acting like the Pope. Oh my God. Did you see that? Mark hits me up last night late. He goes, Catholicism is back. But that's how you get away. Catholicism for me. What is that? Catholicism.

Christians. Oh, okay, okay. I feel like I got one of those. Yeah. What is it? Why is it back? Because they used to use gay slurs? I mean, Catholicism was like running the world for a long time and they kind of lost influence. Oh, okay.

But also, this Pope got real soft. He got really... And the Pope got soft. But here's the thing. I know that you don't want Catholics to be homophobic or whatever. At the same time, if they all were homophobic, they would stop molesting the boys. So in a way, Catholic homophobia makes it safer for altar boys. That's true. Chew on that. Maybe that's why he's doing it. Chew on that. That's what they told the altar boys.

You know what I'm saying? Oh. I think homophobia within Catholicism is the best possible thing right now for the safety of young boys. It's essential. It should be mandatory. For the safety of young boys. I care about the safety of young boys. Most people that are like closeted act like that towards gay people anyway. Most people that are closeted act homophobic. Yeah. Because they're just ashamed about being gay. Yeah, but you can also just be homophobic, can't you? You know what I mean? Sometimes that's just... I don't know any real homophobic people, yo. I am. I am.

I don't know real ones. Like, I know people who get accused of being homophobic. I don't know people that are like, I hate gay people. I don't like the lifestyle. What about people... Because even the religious folks mask it under the guise of religion. I don't. No, no, no. I don't. Even the religious people mask it under the guise of religion. Did you just, like, stop hanging out with all your black friends or what happened? We've never been...

homophobic. We just like to, they use the F word for people that aren't gay. I actually think it is homophobia in terms of like the fear of it. Like I think, I think, that's fair. I think there are a lot of people that are afraid that they'll catch gay. I grew up in the South. That's a thing. There's this guy that I watch. He's on TikTok, right? He's a Spanish dude. Okay. I don't know.

I don't know, he's Puerto Rican or whatever. He's on Instagram. I don't know what, I wish I had his name as shout out. This is nonsense. This is, he does one game. He's in a mall and he goes, he goes, he goes, do you speak English or Spanish? And then the person that he stops or the people he stops go English, for example. He goes, the first person that moves is gay.

And then they just sit there for a minute. Every time it's black people. Every time. He goes up to you and goes, do you speak English or Spanish? They go, English. And he goes, the first person that moves is gay. And the black people just go.

No, I had a dude. I remember I was 25 and he had a gay roommate or I was 24 and he was 25 or something like that. And he was like, no, I'm not tripping off that shit no more. And once I found out you couldn't catch that shit, I said, it's no big deal. I was like, dog, you are in your mid 20s. What the fuck is happening? Why do people act like as a man? How do we know we can't catch it? I think that's more important. I don't know. Nobody knows for a fact you can't catch. I don't think it's contagious. Right. I know.

I'm not saying it's contagious, but like... I do have a friend that I do believe actually caught it. Talk to us! He did mushrooms, and he was watching porn on the internet. Yep. And he started watching trans porn. Rewired his whole brain. And then he started hooking up with dudes. Rewired his whole brain. And then he stopped hooking up with dudes after like six months. He was like, I'm not gay anymore. Can I... No. That's not gay. Your friend is gay. Not anymore. What do you mean with trans women, though? No, no. Then he started hooking up with full dudes. Oh, don't start with that. Oh, okay, okay, okay. He didn't want no cut on it no more. Yeah, exactly.

He wanted the cure. He wanted that cure. Sure. He wanted that. He wanted to be. Okay.

I respect it. Put the baking soda in the cup. I respect it. That's the cut. That's the cut. No baby latching. Go get the pure D. I ain't mad at it. Yeah, yeah. No, but this is why I think you can't catch gay, and I'll be honest with you. I have a friend who is married to an identical twin. Okay? You guys have all met her. Her husband has an identical twin.

That means their genetic makeup is identical. - So there's a man out there that looks just like her. - No, no, no, no, no. She's married. Her husband has an identical twin. - Oh, got you, got you, got you, got you. - And her husband is obviously straight. They have children, straight.

- Oh, interesting. - Her husband's brother is identical twin, all the same genetic material. - 100% genetic match. - Is gay. - Okay. - So he caught it. He has to have caught it. - Caught what? - Gay! - A good time? 'Cause that's all it was. You caught a good time. You were attracted to somebody. - No, no, no, but here's the-- - You slept with him. - I understand what he's saying. - You liked that you chose to stay here. - He's saying if one person is gay and one person is straight and they are 100% genetic match down to every fucking elite-- - It's not the genetics. - Then that person may not.

It's the vaccine. Son. It's the vaccine. She's a beard, man. It's the vaccine. She's a beard. Oh, they're both gay? There's got to be scientific studies about... I'm sorry, son. There are scientific studies. You could catch it. There's got to be scientific studies about what you're attracted to and why, right? No. It's not?

Really? It's gotta be. It's gotta be. It's gotta be. It's gotta be scientific studies. Why would anybody do that? That shit is gay, bro. You gonna be studying gay all day? That's fucking gay. It is crazy that we can't just want to do that. I'm not, it is wild that I'm not afraid, I can't be afraid of like somebody putting a dick in my ass. Wait, wait.

Hold on. Just hold on to that. I see what he's saying. You know what I'm saying? He's saying homophobia is not the craziest thing. I'm talking about the pain of it. Yeah, the pain of it. Yeah, when Lil' Kim, when I go to Lil' Kim's house, I used to be scared of it. Now I throw lips to this shit. There had to be a point in Bottom's life where Bottom was like,

I was scared of that dick even though I was attracted to it. But then when they started taking that shit, they weren't afraid no more. So there has to be an initial fear. So was that bottom homophobic? He was, probably. Initially, yeah. Homophobia is probably the wrong term. That's what I'm saying. I don't know people who hate gay people. If you can catch it, I think that's the right term, though. If we do determine that you can catch gay, meaning that there are environmental factors that could affect you and you become gay. Have you ever heard of the finger test? Have you ever heard of the finger test?

If two of your fingers are in a guy's ass, you're gay. Just you? Apparently, this is a thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you seen this? I've been taking a hammer to my pointer finger ever since I saw that shit. What the fuck? Am I reading this shit? I don't know.

I want people out there that's watching this, I know that there's people who hate gay people. I just don't know any, is what I'm saying. - Got you. - Look how straight my hand is. - Yes. - Wait, wait. - Yo, the funniest thing-- yo, can I say, the funniest thing about this test is it forces you to be like this. - What, is that when you wipe?

No. If this, if your pointer, you don't put an extra finger on your wife. Why are you giving yourself prostate tests, bro? If your pointer finger is longer than your ring finger, you get. Oh, shit. I'm sitting here thinking. You're straight, bro. You're straight. You're good. You're straight. No, no, no. This is not accurate.

No, look longer you're gay

Nah. My left finger ain't longer. No. My left finger's not longer. This might be for women. Oh, wait. If this is backwards, then we good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is absolutely scientific. This is for women. It's backwards for men. Oh, okay. Yeah, y'all got a little scared. I wasn't scared. Why were you so defensive? I wasn't scared. I didn't.

I knew. Because I've been doing these things. Everybody's a little gay, bro. Yo, Sharla, stop. Stop. Cut it out. What's the gayest thing you ever did? Wipe my ass. Drink water. Why does he drink water? Yo, he drinks water from the back.

I saw him really, he spit in the water before he drank it. I had these conversations on Idiots before. Masturbation is gay. You sitting at home jacking off, looking in the mirror. The mirror's crazy. Why? You added a whole wrinkle to that. I never looked in the mirror. That's gay. No, you're right, that's gay. You looked in the mirror. You look down at yourself. You know what I'm saying? You shot it up in the air, tried to catch it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Chuck.

You never caught it in your back like that? No. God damn. You're a different type of person if you do some shit like that. Wiping your ass? Why is that gay? It is. How do you wipe your ass? It's a man's hand in your ass. But that's unnecessary. How deep are you going in? Going in the hole? Why not?

That's weird. Are you going back to front? Are you going back to front? Because you're definitely, yeah. Oh, no, no. You go the other direction. You bend over. Why did you sniff? This guy doesn't know how to react. I just got to make sure, dog. I just got to make sure I'm not bleeding. I think everybody got about this much gay in them. What does that mean? Tell me what that means. What, this much gay? Yeah, yeah. It's that Kinsey scale shit. The Kinsey, yeah, yeah, yeah. I actually think that people who protest too much are like,

something happened to you bro. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like why are you so, like why do you have to prove that you scraped so bad? You know what I'm saying? Some people would say because being gay is gross. I didn't say that. Who would say that? Some people would say that. Who would say that? To the Pope or Hey, hey, hey, Charlie. Charlie. Hey, Charlie, get honest or die lying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Get out if it died lying on your stomach. Okay? All right? It's not gonna happen, bro. But this is what this is about. It's okay to be who you are. Be who you are. It's fun to be who you are in 2024. Unless you're homophobic and then you have to fake it. That's true. I don't think people are faking it no more. You think they're out there in the open with it? Clearly. But

If the Pope has decided to throw an F word around like he said in Italian, it was different. He said it in Italian. Dude, the Italian word for it is... Forciale. No, something like that. I don't know how to pronounce it. Let me find it. I think it's fragocini. What is it? It's froccijone. Froccijone. Because frocci means gay. I thought frocci was a drink. Whoa. Did they serve frocci at Starbucks? No.

- Froggie John. - That's how you say it in like derogatory ways. - I'm not tripping, right? - Yeah, that's where they come in. - Froggie John, man. - Hold up, so Starbucks is homophobic. - We know that, we know that. - What? - We've known that about Starbucks. - So hold up, Starbucks is out here serving drinks that are Italian gay slurs. - Yeah. - And nobody says anything. - You never had a double venti ?

With extra cream. And a long straw. That is gay. If you choose a long straw for a short drink, you get. Let's just call that out right now. If you choose the long, because it's even wider, for a small drink at Starbucks, you are homosexual. That's facts. That is a fact. Can we write a law about that?

Shout out to the LGBTQ community, man. What are you about to show me, Mark? This shit froze really quick. Hang on. Look at you. You're all bricked up. I'm a little bit, though.

He's like, I'm about to get my venti frag machina right now. Okay. So, Charlamagne, how is... Kosh had to leave the room. He got so bricked up. He got bricked up. He's like, that's why my finger's longer. I need to try this one. All right, so, Charlamagne, how is the media going to use everything that you've said to benefit whatever platform they're on? Well, it's been interesting. Also, is that stressful?

knowing that like, have you guys seen this? I should like put context. But like Charlemagne will be used by every side of the media to prove whatever their agenda is. So is there a new stress that comes with that now? No, you know, here's the thing. The right does a phenomenal job of pushing their narratives. Whatever their narrative is,

You know, like for the past few months, it's been, you know, black people are moving away from Democrats. Donald Trump has like what, 22% of black people say right now they'll vote for Donald Trump. I think that's a little overstated. But anything that pushes that narrative, they're for it. So-

And it's been like this probably for the past eight, nine months. So if I'm critical of the Democratic Party-- They lock in. Regardless of anything else I say about Trump or whatever, they lock in on that. Do you think Fox has assigned a person to your media? Meaning it's just-- it's an intern and it's their job to find a-- I don't know. That's a good question. It's so targeted. I'm really an "Idiots" fan, probably. Yo, low key, I wonder. That's a good question. Because it's like-- I think so, because it happens same day.

It's the era we live in too though.

But here's the thing that was so interesting about that. I don't think Fox News is checking Breakfast Club all the time. I think so. Really? I mean, it depends who's on it. I mean, I think it's like, it's not like this out of the ordinary, right? It's like when we have political guests on, right? And we do do a segment every morning called Front Page News. So you kind of just got to tune into that to hear what the political takes are for the most part. But I think what's interesting is the left never finds a way to create its own narratives. The left just responds to whatever the right puts out.

puts out there. And then calls them racist or sexist. Yes, or calls me a MAGA supporter or whatever. So I could literally say in the same sentence, this happened on John Carl's show. I can say Donald Trump was a threat to democracy. You know, he wanted to suspend the Constitution and overthrow the results of an election. But Joe Biden's an uninspiring candidate with no main character energy. Fox don't give a fuck about that first part.

That second part. Give me that. This is what I want. I want the uninspiring candidate, Mankind Energy. And so everybody on the left replies to that as if I didn't just say this other stuff about Trump. It's the strangest thing in the world. But what I'm realizing is, especially after, I knew this already, but this week showed me a lot.

Because all the different type of press, like I did The View, I did like CBS This Morning, Miguel King. That clip was crazy, dog. That View clip, you handled it incredibly well. I don't know what they wanted me to say. Can you give context to the clip for everybody? Well, yes, I said that I'm not endorsing anybody for president this year. And, you know, Sonia from The View basically was like, it was irresponsible of me to do that. And she said, this isn't the time to sit this out. This ain't the election to sit out. I never said I was sitting out.

Never once have I said I'm sitting out. Never once have I said I'm not voting. None of these things have happened. All I'm simply doing is being critical of both parties. But you should. And my interest this year is, one of my interests is preserving democracy. Right. So I'm going to vote for whoever I think can preserve, you know, democracy. But... The Democratic candidates are so weak that their only hope is vote against Trump. It's so silly. That's all they have. But, you know, I say...

I've told other personalities in media that y'all spend so much time talking about how bad Trump is, you never tell me any of the good things that Biden is doing. Yeah, do it. And then you wonder why people say, well, what the hell is Joe Biden doing? Or what the hell is Vice President Harris doing? Very true. I can't find out from the people who support them because your whole feed is how bad Trump is. But to what Akash is saying, I think their whole angle is vote for not him. And if your angle is vote for not him, you just got to make him as bad as possible.

will make him super radioactive. Because to your point, Biden is uninspiring, so I can't inspire you to vote for him in my brain. Democrats don't believe in Biden. You know what the truth is? It's not even about none of that. These motherfuckers care about ratings. They care about clicks. They care about engagement. And the reality is Donald Trump moves the needle. You know what I'm saying? And not only does Donald Trump move the needle, people who are...

supposedly left-leaning, criticizing Democrats moves the needle. You know why? Because it gets motherfuckers going on social media. So if I saw the whole context of what Charlemagne said, fuck the whole context of what he said. Let's just take this part of him saying Joe Biden's uninspiring and then let's retweet it and somebody's going to say this is the type of rhetoric that's going to get Donald Trump elected. And so then it turns into Charlemagne don't know what the fuck he talking about politics.

to Charlamagne made little mama cry to Charlamagne homophobic, Charlamagne transphobic, Charlamagne misogynistic. Now it's just this whole thing about me in a lot of ways, but it all goes right back to that one original clip that's now probably got 100,000 views

So you tweet a million plus views. They make it look like you're supporting the other side. That's right. And then when it looks like you're supporting the other side, they have to make you radio act. That's right. They gotta attack your character to basically cut your legs out from under you so you don't inspire, influence people to support the other side. When in reality, if they just played the whole clip

everything would have been explained. Everything would have been explained and it probably would have been a better discussion. Yeah, yeah. Well, they don't want good discussions. No. They don't. The one thing I don't understand is The Rock also said he's not endorsing anybody. Taylor Swift also said she's not endorsing anybody, but that I feel no one was outraged about. Because they need the black vote and Charlamagne is influential within the black community. So him not endorsing Taylor Swift. The Rock ain't black to America. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Rock is the rock. Shout out to rock. That's true. But if the rock dropped the N-word, we'd be like, hold on. Hold on. You'd have to remind us. He'd be like, oh, his dad is like, oh, that's my dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta do that. Can you smell it? So, this guy...

Had a whole rap song, didn't say the N-word. He knows. People don't think he's black. I feel like Drake's more black than The Rock. The people look at Drake more black. Not right now. Give him a minute. He'll get it back. Not right now. Not at this current moment. Yeah, true. Yeah, not at this current moment. But it's interesting because even when I did Fox News, I did Brian Kilmeade's show on Fox. I'm doing Gutfeld. Well, we're taping this Tuesday. I'm doing Gutfeld tonight.

And the thing I've realized about them, they're not trying to push a narrative because they already know what their narrative is going to be. I want the left to learn from the right and start just pushing the narrative that you want out there. That's the only way. What would it be if you were a Democratic strategist? What would you push out there that are the good things they're doing? For President Biden right now, I would be talking about the student loan debt a lot because...

Those are the things that impact everyday people. Those are the things that people can point to. I know people who've gotten their student loan debt wiped away. I know people personally who have gone to their accounts, $20,000, gone. What does that mean, wiped away? I don't understand what that means. You don't have to pay it back. You don't have to pay it back. It's over. It's gone. But does the bank pay the L or do taxpayers pay back the L? Oh, I don't know. Because I'm trying to understand. That's true.

What I assume it is, is it's not wiped away. What I assume it is, is that burden is now displaced across 300 million Americans. Miles, it seems like you have the answer. A lot of Biden's things are helping people. Hold on now. Are you answering the question that we're talking about right now or something? Yeah, that's getting wiped away. Yeah. Is Biden helping people sign up for programs that would help that were like government sponsored programs that they didn't know they could get on?

that they worked in like a public sector for 10 years, and then their debt gets wiped away. But the question is, what happens to the debt? Who's paying for it and what are you saying? Somebody has to take care of it. My assumption is that the American taxpayer shares that burden. Because there's no way the banks are just going to go, well, we'll just not take those few hundred million dollars. So let's say, for example, that you teach for America, debt gets wiped away. I guess that's the government being like, what you do is...

Noble enough in our eyes that we can pay off this. We'll take care of this debt for you. Yes. And that's coming out of government coffers. And then when we talk about the government pays for something, they don't have money. That's our money. So we pay for it. Sometimes. But sometimes they can reallocate money from a different program. But our money. No, but say a program. Oh, yeah. Still taxpayer money. I guess what I'm trying to say is like we look at it like the debt is wiped away. It's not wiped away. It's just.

put on taxpayers. Just add it to the deficit and we pay later. Yeah, that's awesome. And if it's redistributed from money that's already there that's to an ineffectual program, then that's a positive thing. Dude, they got rid of the non-compete clauses. I'm not saying don't do it. I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just saying let's say what is happening. It's not like the banks are taking the L. I think that you'd have unanimous support if we all found out the banks were taking the L. Oh, Wells Fargo is going to have to eat that half

a billion dollars. Hell yeah, run it up. It ain't that. I mean, the guy, Mark, Alex Media, Akash, Dove, Miles Shifty, Andrew is also going to have to pay taxes. But that's, couldn't you do that with everything? If a politician was like, I'm going to cut taxes, he could also be like, hey, I'm going to stop giving as much money to poor people. You're just not going to do that.

I'm going to make sure some programs get cut. Kids are not going to get breakfast at school. Makes sense to me. So basically, you're just framing it in a different way, right? But you can do that with anything. If a politician gets up there and says, hey, I'm going to cut taxes, what he's also saying is there's a lot of government programs that are not going to get funded. Some underprivileged kids might not go to school because I'm cutting taxes, so y'all save money, but there's less to go to them. You can do that with anything. The difference I would say is that we don't know if...

There's an increase in taxes to accommodate that burden.

So that would be the difference between what you just said. Or cut spending. Exactly. It's not cutting taxes. It's cutting spending or just adding to the deficit. Which they're never really doing, by the way. They're never going to cut spending. They're never really cutting spending. That just sounds good to say. They don't cut spending, bro. They just keep printing more money. They really don't. Yeah. They don't cut spending. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I guess, I don't know. And I wonder what happens for people who they just finished paying off their student debt. And now they're like, holy shit, if I wait a...

you know, 10 years than it would have done. You know what I mean? I like seeing everyday working class people get that kind of relief. Yeah. Like you can't lose with that. Right. And that's one of the things that people can point to the same way when everybody talks about, you know, Trump, when they bring up the stimulus checks and the PPP loans and all of that stuff like that. Those are things that they can point to where they were provided relief. Motherfuckers will never forget when you provided them relief and think about when they got that relief.

during the worst time that we probably experienced in american history now granted they got the relief because of that worst time because of that pandemic but they don't give a fuck if you were three four months behind on bills and all of a sudden you got a check in the mail you'll never forget who gave you that 100 so so that's so that's what that's what all presidents all you're saying is trying to buy the election what's wrong with that

No, no, no. Andrew Yang tried to. Universal basic income, you shit. That's all. What do we care about in this country? We want money. Guns. Upward mobility and security. Yeah. That's all we ever want. We want money and to feel secure. There's a certain level of security that money gives you. There's a certain level of security that being able to have your gun gives you. That's what we want. Money and security. Anything that takes away from people's money and security, you're going to lose. God damn, that was good. Yeah. That was fucking good. I'm just kidding.

It's the truth. Yeah, yeah, that is true. I was actually thinking other good things he did, the breaking up non-compete clauses, which have been an unfair thing for workers. That's money, though. That's another thing they could push that Biden did. He's trying to break up monopolies like Ticketmaster Live Nation right now. They're trying to go after... I don't know how I feel about that, though. Okay, explain, because I don't know much, but... Yeah, I don't know much either, but just looking the way they... Even when they're trying to... Even when they go after the...

the social media platforms and stuff like that. It's like America has been a country that has pushed free enterprise forever, right? You push capitalism forever. So when you got all of these people who took advantage of free market enterprise to build these entities, now that they're too big and too powerful and making too much money, you want to break them up? There's a point at which they can kill the competition because they're just so big. Big bank take little bank. That kills capitalism. That kills entrepreneurship. That kills competition. No, just don't get into the ticket business.

Don't come over here. Live initiative ticket master, run your shit. If there's enough of those, what are you going to do? The argument is that it kills free enterprise. And then when there is a monopoly, it really punishes the consumer. So when there's only one place where you can buy tickets, they can start putting all these hidden fees and extra fees. And now the person buying the tickets is fucked. Whereas if you have three or four ticketing companies, now those fees got to stay low, which benefits the consumer.

And it actually benefits, theoretically, the artists too because we want our consumers. Like, I see it sometimes, and listen, I'm with Live Nation, right, which is owned by Ticken Master. Like, the tour, you know, some of our dates are promoted by Live Nation, but I see some of these fees and I'm like, hold the fuck on. Like,

$30 fee on top of a ticket? Like, one, I'd rather the people buying get to keep that money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they own the venue, so he has no option on where to perform. They control every aspect of it. That's not true, because there are plenty of venues that you could perform, but there are ones that might be owned by Live Nation. They also promote gigs at ones that aren't owned.

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Yeah, he inserted himself in the beef and no one cared. Well, that's because nobody cares about Kanye rapping. You know what I'm saying? Ooh, go on. So if Kanye would have done this

10 years ago, it's like, oh shit, Kanye inserted himself in the beef. Nobody gives a fuck about Kanye rapping in 2024. You know what I mean? It's like walking around with your girl with the huge tits. Especially when the guys that are rapping are the rappers that we actually want to hear from. Pretend to be a Christian while you promote a porn website. The idea that he's masquerading as this Christian with a fake wife, right?

Right? You're not even really married to her. You're starting a porn company. Where is this? They're not really married. Not in the eyes of God. Right? Do you know what I'm saying? And also, like, starting a porn company? Like, what the fuck is going on? Where is this Christianity? Everybody jumps to Christianity or jumps to religion when they need a fucking boost. You saw even Diddy when he came out in the apology. The first thing, I had to turn to God. I had to forgive. Where was God when you was beating that girl up?

I think the problem with humans is that- And butt-fucking guys a lot. Allegedly. Allegedly. Also watching guys butt-fuck. Yeah, videotaping guys butt-fucking. That's crazy. What's there? That's not even in the alphabet, bro. Like, it's LGBTQ. It ain't no fucking R. You and the video. You're lying. What's fucking? No, no. WGBF. Like, that's not in there, bro. No, no, no. That's gayer. That's gayer. That's not in there. I think-

I don't even remember. What the fuck was we talking about before? People using God. People using God when they get in trouble. Yes. I think that the problem with people like...

And that's not even a problem. Kanye is one of those people when he's in, he's all in, which is what makes him great. Right. Because when he focuses on one thing, he's going to focus on that one thing. And that's how you get my beautiful dog twisted fantasy. That's how you get a college dropout. That's how you get a late registration. That's how you get these amazing sneakers, whatever it is. He focuses on that one thing. So it's like if for that moment he's in the God.

he's going to be the biggest Christian in the world. If he's in the anti-Semitism, he's going to be the biggest anti-Semite that ever existed. Like literally, that's who he is as a person. So it's just like, and that's a hard thing to do to be the biggest anti-Semite. My God. I mean, my God. There's some Jordan numbers out there. By the way,

so big that he was calling out the biggest. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, getting the torch pass to him. When you surpass everybody and your only competition you see is Hitler? Damn. Whoa. That's wild.

That's wild. But he's the type of person that whatever he's on, he's on. And I mean, it's a gift and a curse for somebody like him. Because it's the same reason we got all those amazing things that I've mentioned. Right. But it's the same reason we get all the fuck shit too. Do you think that people do that though? Like, do you see this a lot? Like when people need forgiveness, when they need the public to change their tune, lean into their relationship with God.

I think that's a natural thing. - Oh, really? - You think it's real? You don't think it's manipulative? - No, I do think it's real. I think you get to those points. - Wow. - No, no, no, I do. I think you get to those-- - But then how do you explain God and porn website?

Being a complex person, being a human being. But wait, hold on. Answer the question, though. Do you think it's manipulative? No, I don't think it's manipulative because I think in those moments they really do be needing God. Interesting. I really feel that way. I really feel like you get to a point where you might hit a wall or you might hit rock bottom or you feel like the walls are tumbling down, the sky is falling. All you...

All you have left is to turn to your creator. At some point, you're going to get down on your knees. And I ain't talking about being signed a bad boy. I'm talking about at some point, at some fucking point, you're going to have to bow down to your creator. I know people that were atheists who totally believe in God now because of things that have happened in their life. You know, and it's not always bad things. Here's the thing. I have no...

I think, wow, you offered really great perspective on that for me because I'm skeptical a lot. So when I see people going through tough times and then they're publicly displaying this love for God, I look at it like, oh, are they just trying to manipulate the most forgiving people? Because religious people are incredibly forgiving because a lot of them have went through incredibly difficult things and then found God through that difficulty and then they've seen the light through it. So I have the most... I'm almost protective of them because I go...

You might be vulnerable to this piece of shit trying to take advantage of you. But that is interesting. When you are at the lowest point in your life. Every single time. And you are humbled, you might also seek that same salvation. Why do you think people find God in jail? No, no, no. Can I offer one counterpoint? Well, so the food is better if you're Muslim in jail. Is it? Apparently, yeah, because you have to be halal. Oh. Yeah. So I think a lot of people convert to Islam for the food. That's crazy they still don't convert to Judaism.

They don't let it happen. Also, the Jewish food is... That's true. Actual question. There's a Bible verse that it hit me really hard at the time. I don't remember it super well. Matthew 6, essentially, your good deeds, your relationship with God is not real if you are out there displaying it publicly. So I'm inclined to believe Andrew, especially with Christians, when they suddenly find God very publicly because there is an actual Bible verse that says that's not going to get rewarded by God.

The guy who doesn't let his left hand know what his right hand is doing when he's doing good deeds or whatever. That is the guy that gets rewarded. But then they also tell us that we should...

champion God. Like we should publicly praise him. Like we should glorify him. I can't remember the exact word, testify, testimony. We all should have a testimony with God too though. And just like Charlotte was saying, like when Kanye goes in, he goes all in. Like he made an album, No Cursing. He was doing Sunday service every single Sunday and not charging for it. So it's like he was really all in during that period of time. And I think if you get one of Kanye's first singles,

That was massive with Jesus. So it's not like he always hasn't, you know, had a relationship, you know, with God. Hmm. No, that's true. Yeah. That's interesting.

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I have to have more of a, an open mind with those. I mean, I get why you say that. I just, I just feel bad because I know that there, there are people who have been saved and they see the power of God. So when other people also see the power of God, they go, Oh, I remember being in that situation. And,

that sometimes is manipulative. Because I know, like, what I saw from Diddy to me was 100% manipulative. Diddy's always been a person that's talked about God. But here's the thing, it don't matter how much you talk about God. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Be about it. Your actions, word. One of my affirmations today when I was reading was talking about effective truth. And effective truth is essentially like

you know, we say things, right? But it's about what you actually do that truth, that honestly matters. I'm probably fucking it all up because I just read it this morning. But it's basically like what you actually do is what ultimately matters. You can say anything, but if your actions ain't matching your words, it's like,

What's the point? And what's so scary about a lot of those people like that, okay, you fuck up, you turn to God. What happens when things get good again? Oh, yeah. When things get good again, you just all of a sudden forget about God. That's when God really going to bring you to your knees. Like, oh, word, you forgot just that fast, huh? Watch this. Because this ain't a lot of these people's first rodeo, bro. A lot of these people have been down these, you know, points where it looked like they couldn't come back from it.

And, you know, God found a way. But if you keep going back to the same behavior that, you know, caused you to hit rock bottom in the first place, what do you think is going to happen the second time? I don't know why we act like God is, you know, just all forgiving. I don't believe that. Well, I mean, he kind of said that. Well, he also created man in his image according to his likeness.

So if I come to your house and pee on the rug once, you might forgive me. I'm like, okay, he was, you know, drinking. I know he was in the retarded class in high school. You know what I mean? Like something, right? But if I come there and do it again, you're like, all right, bro.

Number one, I probably shouldn't let you back in my house the second time. Right. But now you really are forbidden from coming here anymore. In our purest form, I think we would still love that person. And I think that's what God does. You think so? In your purest form, you still look at that person for all their flaws and all the negative things that they're going through and all the pain. And I don't do this. I'm not fronting like I do. I hate that motherfucker the first time.

But God would look at that person and say, I know he's struggling. I know he's angry. He is. He's not maybe worthy of the rewards that I gave him. And maybe I don't give him those, but I still love him the same. And he's always welcome in my home. That could be true. Maybe just has a weak bladder and he couldn't hold it. Yeah. Who knows? I have a very weak bladder. We also act like God hasn't hit reset quite a few times now. He's hit reset on this shit quite a few times, right? That's what I'm saying. And we look at all these planets that ain't got no life on them.

That might have been a reset too, a permanent one. God might just keep giving Earth all of these different chances. How we know we're not on our last hurrah? So what were the dinosaurs doing?

butt fucking it was gang problems right yo that's all it took asteroid sea you like ass i'm gonna give you i'm gonna give you tons of that why you think a brontosaur had that long neck that's what i'm saying you know what i'm saying the t-rex had them little arms get right up in your asshole yeah face down ass up that's what happened they tip over

T-Rex rock? Never mind. Yeah, say it though. No, I won't. Say it though. Nope. Nah, because let's get honest here. Let's get honest here. Let's get brutally honest here. Say it. Say it. What about the T-Rex? You're going to move that tail out of the way and start digging. The deleted scene in Jurassic Park where they were sucking each other's dicks. You remember that? Nah, man.

Just tell us. Talking loud and saying something. That's what you need to do. Listen, just chapter 17 is talking loud and saying something.

You would know. You would know. You have some dinosaurs in the class. Come on, son. Andrew, what was your favorite part of the book? Time for some action. You didn't read that shit. I did. You did? No, you didn't read it. I read all your books. I do the audio, though. Two times the speed. Time for some action. Time for some action.

Spelled the number for S-U-M action. I don't care what word you use to describe your political affiliation, what religion you worship, or what philosophy you subscribe to, your ideology, beliefs, principles. None of those things matter more than

Isn't that what he just said? That's crazy. That's fortuitous. You know, I'm out here. I'm telling you, it's all about action, bro. I don't care. Like, you can tell me anything. Show me. And that's the tricky thing with the internet is because it allows you to show things that you're not doing. Yeah. I saw somebody, I think it was Publishers Weekly. They gave me a great review, but they was like,

but he has these tired takes about social media and how it's ruining a generation. Why is that a tired take? Yeah, it's a fact. It's a fucking fact. Nobody ever said, it's a tired take that cigarettes are killing people. You can never say that enough. Or what if somebody comes out with the global warming shit? It's a tired take about those. Exactly. Why is social media ruining us and ruining our critical thinking? It's also funny because social media is killing Reader's Digest.

You said it was Read the Digest, right? Anybody think of a Read the Digest? No, Paul's in Weekly. Either way. Wait, wait, so wait, what was the specific take that they took exception to about social media? Oh.

They didn't even say it. They just said it was a thing. They just said, they're basically saying it's a great book. He has some tired takes about social media and how social media is ruining us as a society. And I'm just like, that's not a tired take. Yeah, it's the truth. Cal Newport wrote a whole book called Digital Minimalism, which I love. Everybody knows. Jonathan Haidt has a book out now. It's the Ancients Generation. I haven't got, I'm still reading Bill Maher's book, so I haven't got the Ancients Generation. But that's, that's. It's the same thing. So how is that a tired take?

How is warning somebody about something that's ruining us? What about the practical application? That's something I saw in Heights that I thought was really good about like restricting. It's not only just restricting phones because there's a certain point in your child's life where in order for them to be like a social individual, you need them to have a phone. Like you don't want them to be that weird kid that has no way of getting in contact with their friends. And it's important that they text each other or whatever. And like, you know, they gossip with each other, do whatever kids fucking do.

But there are certain ages where you can do it. And he was basically like, avoid puberty. That's the most vulnerable time. They have all these emotions going through their body. They're so easily manipulated. And the internet is right there to take advantage of them. Yeah, I don't have... You have daughters, so I'm wondering... I don't have none of my kids on social media. How old are they? As far as I know, my oldest is 15. And she doesn't have any social media? As far as I know.

So that's, cause I made, she might have some account on the computer. Oh no, I found, I did find one back in the day, but it was just like quick, fast in a hurry. Like if you do this, you won't be doing this. Right. Like it's just that simple. Cause you know, I just feel like social media really is that dangerous to your point to a young mind. Yeah. Like I,

I think the reason some of us are able to navigate it a little bit better, because we're older. We lived in a world without it. Can you imagine growing up in a society where this is all you fucking know is social goddamn media? We'd watch the same 10 music videos after school every single day. And discuss them all. Could break them down so fucking eloquently. Think about how little information we consumed as kids. Yeah.

The same 10 videos, it was like the same 10 books, but it was almost nothing that we were consuming on a daily basis. I wonder if that like affects memory and stuff now. I feel like that a little bit where we're like, I'll, it takes me a few times to really kind of get something to lock in. And obviously I'm terrified of that because my dad's dementia or whatever, but I wonder if it's, my brain is filled with so much absolute bullshit that

that I don't have a calm enough and receptive enough brain to consuming things I actually want to remember. I have a bit about this. Instead, I say it's my wife's stories that are taking a lot of story. That's why I stopped taking in so much information. I know that sounds crazy to say, but it's just like you just cannot...

physically or mentally or emotionally consume everything that comes at you on a daily fucking basis. I don't even read as many books as I used to because I find myself just reading it to say I read it. And getting about it. Yes, and I'm like, damn, I don't even remember nothing that was in that book, so I'd rather read

Two or three books a year. The amount of times I have to reread a page because I get to the bottom, I'm like, I don't think I read a single word of it. I was telling Mark about a TV show. We were flying back from, I think it was Abu Dhabi. I was telling Mark and Derek about a TV show. And I was like, oh my God, the fucking show is incredible. The ending was amazing. And then in that moment, I go, I don't even know who killed him. A show I watched that I am projecting my opinions on someone saying the end is so incredible that I forgot the fucking ending.

but I do that how I talk to people I have conversations with people and I be like yo man

"Damn, I can't remember what I heard. Such and such told me such and such and such." And the person will be like, "I told you that yesterday." - I told you that. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I told you that fucking yesterday. - This is in John Lennon Hite's book. He brings up Harrison Bergeron, this book by Kurt Vonnegut, where basically the whole world, everyone has to be equal. It's like 20/80. Some people have high IQs, some people have low IQs. So in order to balance everything out, the people with high IQs have a device placed in their brains that every two or three minutes there's a beep that goes off and it makes them lose their train of thought. So they can't sit there and think of all these advanced things and propel themselves beyond society. - Essentially dumbs them down. - Exactly.

But this is interesting. And Jonathan Haidt makes the correlation that we basically already have that. So we're sitting here and every two or three minutes you're thinking of something and you're like, oh, that's a really funny connection. That's something I can go in my book. That's something I can talk about on Idiots. And all of a sudden your phone goes off and you go, bro, that's me. And then you're immediately disrupted. And so we're already disrupting ourselves and dumbing ourselves down. And he says we're not taking time to basically be with ourselves. How much smarter are you in the shower? Yeah.

Oh, I remember everything in the show. It's more creative for you. And then as soon as you get out, I'm like, what the fuck did I just, I just had a bad idea. What the fuck happened to it? You know? Or just in the middle of conversation. You be talking, you be talking, you be talking and then it'd be like one thing. I'd be like, God, I'm sitting there listening to Mark. I'm like, how the fuck did

fuck did Mark remember all of that shit from that book literally and as he's talking I had to refocus myself to listen to what he's saying because he's telling me exactly what just caused me to lose focus on what he was saying yeah I just googled it I don't even remember it what did I say I don't know

I don't remember what you said, but I don't remember. So I'm curious what happens to kids in, like, say, 10 years from now when they have all this distraction while they're also consuming. Right? We didn't really have that much distraction while we were consuming. And we weren't even consuming that much shit in school anyway. Like, they were telling us to read. We weren't reading books over the fucking summer. Maybe you were. Oh, I was. Okay, I was. Book your program, baby. Four books for a pizza. Yeah. Is that because you were retarded? I bought the pizza.

Were they coloring? Yeah. That's why I started reading so much Judy Blume and shit. Oh, really? Judy Blume, Beverly Cleary. Yeah. So what I'm trying to say is like, what happens 10 years from now, right? Like these kids right now, let's assume, let's go off the same thesis, right? They're not able to hold on to the information that they're consuming because they have this other stuff distracting them. They have that little tick, that little beep. Yeah.

They never learn shit. Well, 10 years, will they not know fucking algebra? Will they not know geography? And we've outsourced most of the learning. We're going to outsource even more and more and more to AI. So it's like there's not even a need for me to learn. I think eventually they're going to bake in like a dark period throughout the day. Like, you know how...

Spain has siestas. Like, I think there'll be a dark period. America would never do that. Nah, I think they will. Explain what would it look like. So, like, say, a certain period during school where it's, like, no technology, no screens, no nothing. Just let your brain just calm down. And I think adults will do it. I think everybody will do it. It'll just be, like, something that's known that we need this just to continue our mental health.

American culture would have to change so much. Yeah, there's going to be propaganda. But a teacher came forward recently with an article and he was like, I used to love teaching and I had to quit because I just can't compete with phones. We try to take the phones from the kids. There's like, we cannot beat the phones. They do not listen. So they try to make a dark period from 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. Don't fucking work. These are kids. They're not having it. We're a society in America that loves overconsumption. Yeah. Number one. And a lot of those teachers are probably like,

you know what get back on your phone kids because y'all stressing me the fuck out you know because you you you're forced to entertain them and that's that's another thing i talk about in the book too it's like when i say give yourself permission to not have these conversations it's okay if you want to not talk to the person next to you and you just want to be in your phone or you want to read your book or you want to be alone with your thoughts don't feel like we have to make conversation just because we're sitting next to each other like that's something that i think um

You know, even with that dark period you're talking about, Alex, it's like you can't force these kids to not want to be on what they want to be on. I just feel that eventually it'll get to the point where like the global warming will actually start warming too much, where it's like we really need to do some shit about it. And I think. Oh, OK. Yeah, I think like maybe suicides might go up or certain things just start going up to a level where it's like no one feels comfortable. Now you got to bring back hell. You got to bring back the story of hell.

That is the perfect time to bring back the story of hell. So there's no fear of going to hell anymore? No, there's hella fear of going to hell. Because if you think it's hot now with climate change, don't act right here on this motherfucking planet and feel how it's going to be in the afterlife.

Yeah, if you can't stand this shit, you don't want to go to eternal hellfire Bring back stories of hell. Yeah, when the last time you heard a good story of hell bro. Never never In New York for a while. I think you go back for a while. There'll be a lot of stories out Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cuz the funny part is in most movies New York is hell Yeah, like when you stay show you how they show you like relax. No, they do like New York fucking city do it. Yeah, I

Really? I mean, I remember watching The Devil's Advocate or whatever that was. Fantastic. Great movie. Great movie. Devil Wears Prada, another one. Devil Wears Prada, also. Country Boy. Think about it, though. Keanu Reeves was a country boy. Came to New York. New York was the devil's playground. You know what I'm saying? That's what I mean. Yeah. Fun times.

Yeah, I don't know if I subscribe to this New York is hell thing. Yeah, chill it out. I would say that if I moved to New York and didn't make it either. Well, it's probably because it's hell over there and you got to be the devil in order to make it. Bring back hell, baby. Bring back stories of hell. I wonder if we do start to get a little bit more religious. And I wonder if that's what can kind of rein us in. Because that seems like there are very few things everybody can agree on. Like what is like the one thing that Americans can agree on right now? Tragedy, which is?

It'd have to be extreme tragedy. Oh, oh, like that can, that can compel all of us to come together. I think that's temporary too. Like 9-11 brought us together for about a week. Yeah.

A little longer. Okay. Might have been a little rougher for you, but. Yeah. I brought y'all together. I was hoping it would be over. What is the solidarity over? They keep telling themselves that it's over. It's over. They don't care no more. They don't care about us no more. Yeah, I think tragedy ain't God, Joe, but tragedy brings you to God.

Yeah. Tragedy is what makes you start reflecting. It makes you start thinking about, you know, what it is you should be doing in your fucking life. Yeah. You know? What do you think that tragedy might look like if it's coming? Nuclear weapon. Nuclear bomb. Oh, wow. That's the only thing. That's like this point.

We too far ago. That shit is crazy. Why do you say that? I just talked to a woman who's on the denuclearization board. She's trying to get all these countries to stop making nuclear weapons. Yeah. And I didn't realize how real this shit is. Yeah. It's crazy. What do you mean you didn't realize? I wasn't alive during the Cold War. I wasn't alive during the Cuban Missile Crisis. I wasn't alive during any of these major nuclear standoffs. So in my mind, it's like, yeah, there's some bombs. And it's just based on somebody's stability as a human.

Yeah. Putin has sole power to launch any amount of nuclear warheads. I think they have 1,000, 1,500? And if you're... Literally the best in the world. There's been rumors that he's sick and stuff like that. So if you're at that point... You just keep saying that shit. I don't know if he is or not, but if you get to a point where you're like, you know what, man, fuck it. I'm about to be out anyway. Push the goddamn button. You just don't know what you don't know. Like, that shit could really...

If he gets dementia or he starts losing his mind, who's going to be able to overthrow him in time? Theoretically, not that it will happen, but theoretically, he can just press that button. That's the situation on purpose. It could even just happen on accident. There's like all these stories of like Russian, you know, sub submarine dudes chilling with a nuclear warhead on the submarine. And then all of a sudden, three of the guys have to all push the button to shoot the nuke. And they get a read on the radar like, oh, Russia's just been attacked by American missiles. We got to shoot the nuke back.

oh explain that again this is a crazy story this is an insane story this happened in like the 60s 70s this is like absolutely insane and i'm going to kind of paraphrase this basically you have three russian guys on a nuclear submarine okay okay on the submarine they have a nuclear war it's not a joke there's a real this is okay it's not no one's gonna be gay no one's gonna be gay there's nothing crazy three russian guys are on a sub russian soldiers there's a nuclear war in the sub they can launch the nuke from the sub okay okay

And then they all of a sudden get a read on the radar that Russia is being attacked by an American nuclear bomb. Okay. And the status quo is, if you are attacked. If we get attacked, we have to immediately counter-strike. Yeah, yeah. So two of the guys on the sub go, all right, we're getting the reading. We're going to counter-strike. And the third guy goes, I'm not doing it.

And he goes, why? And he's like, we just have to wait. Let's just wait 30 minutes, an hour. Let's see if it hits and then we'll counter strike. So they wait 30 minutes, they phone up and all of a sudden they realize that the reading they had on the radar was a faulty reading. There was no actual nuclear missile or any missile that was fired. That guy saves humanity. Yeah. And nobody even knows his fucking name. Crazy. And there's like five of those stories. There was also a nuclear weapon that was dropped in South Carolina. Yeah.

What? It landed in someone's backyard on a tree. Is that how you got like this? Tell me the story. I knew a joke was coming. This never happened. I'm pretty sure it's up to you. And dropped by whom?

like American forces. It was on an airplane. It accidentally fell in someone's backyard, didn't detonate, and it was just... It got caught in a tree, if I remember. It was just chilling. South Carolina moss tree. I bet you it was a fucking moss tree, bro. Bro. I bet you it was a fucking moss tree that caught it. Mars Bluff. 1958 Mars Bluff. What? Inadvertent release of a nuclear weapon from a United States B-47 over Mars Bluff, South Carolina. The bomb...

I've never even heard of Mars Bluff South Carolina. What year, Mark? Uh, 58. 1950 fucking 8. 20 years. What was happening geopolitically around the 58? You think that there was a false flag? They like tried to do a... I like this. I'm listening. Doesn't it feel like some shit? Was Korea having? Hmm.

No, Korea was before that. Korea was like 53, I think. I don't know if nuclear bombs can just fall. Are you trying to say he was trying to bomb blacks in South Carolina? No. Is this Philly? Exactly. There's no Wall Street and bluffs. Did America want to get into a war or something and needed an excuse? And then they're like, oopsies, we dropped this. That's kind of crazy that a nuclear weapon just dropped from the sky. Yeah, I don't believe that shit.

Yeah, I don't know. All that shit is just... You can't just imagine us being incompetent. Yeah, I know. Why is the LGBT topics on the nuclear weapon? This is different. This is from an old search. What the fuck? It happened again in 61 in North Carolina.

So what's up with the Carolinas? Special, man. They're trying to get us out of here because we're special. Maybe a base is right. There's a lot of military bases. And there's a bunch of military bases in North and South Carolina. Like most people who are military brats have spent some time in South Carolina and North Carolina. This is crazy. Seven countries got nuclear weapons, but a bunch of them have access to nuclear weapons and they can get them from other countries and shit. Sweden just asked, like requested for nuclear weapons from America. Like, yo, put some nuclear weapons over here.

No, fuck. Annie Jacobson just wrote a whole book where basically she's like, let's say North Korea wants to start a war. They launch a bunch of nukes over. We start nuking back over at them. All of a sudden, Russia's involved because they're an ally. So now they're going to start hitting Europe. There's fires everywhere. Nuclear winter happens, and then everyone dies of famine. You want to know something crazy, Mark? You just said Annie Jacobson? Guess who's directing that movie after Dune Messiah? Oh.

Who? Denis Villeneuve. That's the option that it's called Nuclear War by Annie Jacobson, which is like a ticking clock scenario of what would happen in a nuclear war. And they've spoken to all those people about all that plan. But that's 70 minutes. That's true. You got 70 minutes. And then everybody's dead. No, I mean, first, initially, a bunch of people die. Is it 70? Is it that long?

Everyone in the cities dies within 70 minutes. And then within like a couple months after that, everyone in the middle of the country dies. Nuclear fallout. They're basically like, if you're like away from the equator, if you're like Australia, maybe Argentina, you might live. But everyone else is dying. And now we find all these billionaires are building bunkers in New Zealand. The crazy part is... And Hawaii. And this is how you know America's so wild, right? For the past...

five, six months, it has been heavy talk of nuclear war. Okay. From different people. Putin said it's not off the table. Like, everybody's talking about it and nobody gives a fuck. We're just going on about our day. Every fucking day. Like, this isn't a possibility. I also think people are just trying to top the next person and that's really the last...

big dick swinging contest you could do at this point. Like, what more can you say besides like, yo, I got nukes. Remember, I got nukes. Hey, remember when a couple weeks ago 300 missiles were fired from Iran to Israel? Oh my God. You guys saw that happen. What if that shit went well?

They got that wrong. We're talking about nukes. We're not talking about like rubber bands. Israel has nukes and Iran could have nukes. That's not wrong. That's a bunch of firecrackers. Wait, what are you saying? Oh, you're saying that could have been nuclear war. That could have started something. I mean, India and Pakistan, they got nukes. I don't think Iran is. That's the one that scares me. But remember when Russia. Iran doesn't have nukes. They can have nukes. Listen. They might be. I don't think they have them. Really?

Remember when that thing called the former USSR came apart? Do you know how much random uranium and plutonium is in different parts of wherever the former countries were? Like where someone on the black market is going to find some uranium. Who got to buy uranium though? I'm just saying, it's not all accounted for. And something like that could start that war. Pakistan, India...

Do you think? We're close. It's just a weird time right now, man. Governments fall apart. Anarchy. It'd be pretty crazy. So is this like an argument? This guy said it'll be fun. I said we're fine. Oh, I thought you said it. I'm like, what? I don't think nobody's pushing it back. Is this an argument, though, for, okay, if the world is this unstable,

Is this an argument for whoever's in power placing people in positions of power in foreign countries to maintain the stability? If we all subscribe to this idea that at any point in time, nuclear war, and you have a potentially unstable leader, a Kim Jong-un or Kim Jong-un or something like that, to me, if the world is that vulnerable, and then in 70 minutes, everybody's dead,

It is the most benevolent thing to do, which is get him the fuck out of there and then put some puppet in that you know at least isn't going to push the button. If that's how he did it, yeah. I just don't think we necessarily do it just when we're worried about it. I agree. There's financial reasons, et cetera. But you could make the argument if it's that vulnerable. Kim Jong-un might need to go. Yeah. But see, that's my thing. What happened? Remember, what happens is just taking people like that out. I think about this all the time. There used to be a time. People like that, they just get down.

- I got it! - Which makes me feel like they can trust him. It makes me feel like he's a good bad guy. Hey, we need somebody out there that's just gonna pop shit about me. - You need a foil. - Exactly. - You need somebody to keep everybody on their toes, to make you think some bad shit can happen. - Exactly. - But we really got him in check. - When was the last time we got somebody out of here?

Because I feel like it's just been a while, and it makes me think that's not, we don't have it like that anymore. What's a while? Gaddafi. Gaddafi just got it. Iran. Yeah, some people feel like the Iran president. There's some shaky shit there. I thought it was. I think that was an inside job. Yeah, I thought it was the Cowboys and the Starboys. Apparently, it's inside. I think it's an inside job. What the fuck the weekend got to do with this? Explain to them Cowboys and the Starboys. No, no, the Cowboys are America, and the Starboys are the Jews. The star, the flag, you know. Oh.

But I think it was an inside job specifically because apparently they took the black box out of the helicopter like two weeks before. So why would there not be a black box in the president's helicopter? Also, I think all the helicopters are super old because- They're American and to get the parts- There's a boycott on American, there's a boycott on like military-

sanctions, embargoes on the American parts to replace. So, and then the other thing is, I think that the Supreme Leader, whatever his name is, Khomeini, I think Khomeini wants his son to take over after him. But the fact is that the power is not necessarily split, but there are people who really love the president, apparently, from what I was reading, in Iran. And whenever there is a

split of power or people who are following power, the way that you consolidate that is you get rid of the other person that's got some power. Wow. So it looks to me that it's more inside. It looks suspicious. But then that wasn't us. So we haven't done anything to do our thing. But we said, you said it was an inside job. So it's,

I don't know. That's what I read. But all this shit is inside jobs. Keep going. Keep going. That's the whole point. You get somebody that people feel comfortable with and close to to infiltrate and go get the job done. Yeah. There's no foreigners shooting American presidents. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. The presidents who have been shot have been shot by people who are here. Yeah. Somebody got in their ear and corrupted them in some way, shape, or form. So who are the leaders that we want switched up? Obviously, Putin. But then here's the other thing about Putin. You can talk all day. No, no, no, no. Yeah.

Who do we want to die? We say, yo, yo, yo, switched out. Yo, yo, yo. It's different. Give an asylum in America, put them in the Hamptons. No, no, no. Here's the thing. Not the Hamptons. Here's the thing about Putin. I don't even know if we want Putin switched out. Because if the military industrial complex in America makes tons of money making weapons, right? We need someone to use those weapons on. Putin...

is nice he's a nice foil he's someone who's gonna start a war he's someone's gonna or he's gonna at least respond to our antagonization right so you need someone who responds you don't need someone who bends over if they bend over we can't use the weapons i never thought about that till you said but a guy that's saying i'll send over the nukes if i need to yeah that guy you don't want to fuck with that guy you can switch out logically if you believe that he'll do it i don't just talk exactly i don't

think we believe he'll do it, think about what we're doing. We are supplying Ukraine with all the weapons. We're essentially the ones that are, I mean, it's American weapons that are killing Russian soldiers. Now, that could give him incentive to want to flip. Of course, but the fact that he doesn't still. And he knows where the weapons are coming from.

- He knows where the weapons are coming from. So maybe it's the perfect foil. Maybe he also has a military industrial complex that he needs to supply weapons for, use weapons for. So he's liking the fact that this war is going on too. I don't know. - The thing about sending nukes is once he sends over nukes, we send over nukes and that's it. - But we're not talking about nukes. We're talking about what is the status quo. So far, we're the only ones that have sent nukes. And we've been in so many skirmishes, wars, conflicts, whatever you call with the Russians. We're talking about back to Afghanistan, right? Where nothing has happened.

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How do we know that they still exist? Because the Andrews Point, ain't nobody let one fly. There was one in a fucking tree in South Carolina. We don't know. It didn't detonate. It just conveniently didn't detonate. I don't believe it. Just conveniently didn't detonate. Well, they do test them a lot. They do test them. Where? Underground. Marshall Islands. Yeah. What the fuck is the Marshall Islands? The atolls. Don't think about it. The Marshall Islands. Bikini Island. Yeah, Bikini Atoll is a big one.

Yeah. No, no, no, Sean. No, no, no, no. By the way, shout out to everybody who comes to the book signings trying to get me on these dick jokes. I have not forgotten, okay? Wait, wait, wait. They're still trying to get me on dick jokes. No, what's the last one? None, because they're using, like the dude trying to hit me with the tipper the other day.

I'm like, come on, cut it out. Cut it out. Yes. He's out there. And Coral Gate was Saturday. He tried to hit me with the tip of the... I got hit with the Putin one the other day. The Putin? But Putin can get you. Anything that can get like that, it can get you a little bit. Putin is dick.

Well, that can get you, though. Because it can get you. But it can get you. Because we're talking about nuclear war. What do you think about Putin, bro? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll show you something that will explode. I'm just saying. We're in crazy times, man. Yeah, but also great times.

Yeah, that's the problem. It really is. It's both. More people got access to clean drinking water than ever. We got air conditioning. We're living in the best time of human history. Dude, air conditioning is awesome. Less family starvation globally than ever. That means more than clean drinking water. We got black country singers, white rappers. We got white golfers running over cops. India's got Wi-Fi. We get to see what they're up to. India's got Wi-Fi. It's awesome over there. I mean, shit is also fire. We could focus on all the negative, but we're not going back to any other time. I guess that's the whole thing, right?

All of this doesn't have to be negative if we just have conversations about it, right? Because a lot of us... Honest conversations. Honest conversations. A lot of like, we just had an honest conversation. Yeah. What world leaders need to go? Who needs a motherfucker

fucking get it and why are they not doing this shit old school primitive style like they used to Andrew brings up a fire point because they all in cahoots together they're useful boom that's it when they all have those conversations where they go meet up and Trump walks in front of people and like shakes their hands who are G.G.Ping you should switch out G.G.Ping you probably won't even tell the difference that's not a dick joke

It's very racist. It's a very racist joke. We just left you out there. I thought he was about to hit you with the GG ping in your mouth. I'm like, what? He's saying that you could switch out the Chinese leader and nobody would know if you just put another Chinese in. Stop having some. I can't take jokes anymore.

He's still trying to figure out. He thinks there's something going on. He thinks there's something going on. Point is, they're all meeting up and they're all having the conversations. It got to be. That's why I never understood when people used to get upset when Trump used to go talk to these people.

Isn't that what you're supposed to do? Aren't you supposed to go talk to Poo? Aren't you supposed to go talk to Lita? Now you know that that's what the internet is for. Fox News is going to have a field day with that. No, it's not Fox. It's not the one thing you need. No, no, I'm saying like, the internet is for people to be upset about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there are little ecosystems. Like,

I used to feel when the internet, like at least internet media, like news media on the internet initially popped up, right? I was like, oh, wow, there's going to be some truth and opportunity. And they're not beholden to the pharmaceutical companies and they're not beholden to the military industrial complex. And because of that, you're going to see unfiltered truth, right? And now it's just like, oh, you're just as biased.

you're just leaning into whatever you get clicks for. Yeah. Like this idea that the internet news is not an echo chamber. It's worse. You could make the argument. It's worse. Then it might. Okay. Why do you think it's worse? Because I respect you more of you getting a big ass check from a pharmaceutical company. And if you're getting YouTube ads. YouTube ads. We're going live for YouTube ads. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

It's motherfuckers in debt right now because they just got on the internet and lied, got sued. Now they're in debt for the rest of their fucking life. I would rather you get the big check from the pharmaceutical company. Get some shit that you can walk away from. Get fucking your ass for billions. Whoa. Yeah, yeah,

Do you know what I mean? Like, if Bowie's going to fuck you in the ass, better if Bowie fucks you in the ass than the fucking what's an AdSense that comes on YouTube. Yes. $10 CPM. $10, $10 or something. $4 CPM. You always got to think like you sitting around with your boys.

whether it's in the hood, whether you in Manhattan when you're going to play basketball, whatever that circle was, right? Remember when we all know that circle when you were young, that circle that you craved validation and you want them to give you your props. If they find out you got fucked in your ass, you got to be able to say, I paid a billion for it, though. It was falling. Yeah. So they'd be like...

I paid a billion to get fucking married. Billion dollars. Yeah. Still gay, but yeah, I get it. It ain't even gay at that point. It's like, it's good business. I want a loan. It's good business. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but, and that's when you be like, you know what you gotta do? I give you a million. You know what you gotta do? You know what I'm saying? You gotta get it like I got it. Word up. Ain't gonna be

no loan forgiveness over here. I'm not the Biden administration. I'm coming to collect it. You got to get it like I got it. Okay, I got a billion to get fucked in my ass. Let's negotiate. Exactly. That's all. Yeah, you dirty ass. Your ass is dirty. You know what I mean? It's all up to the end. So that is, but that is the thing that I've noticed. So maybe it's just indicative of like who we are as people. We're just going to lean into where our bread is buttered

And it's going to be very hard for there to be truth out there. It's going to be very hard because a lot of times people aren't willing to take the hit for the truth. Nobody cares about the truth when the lie is more entertaining. Ooh, who said that? Who said that? I said that in my first book. Who said that before? Also, it's the narrative. It's not even when the lie is more entertaining. It's when the lie is more lucrative.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody cares about the truth when the lie is more lucrative. When the lie is more lucrative. And once you understand the internet and you realize how easy it is to just get views and that kind of shit, and you... I'm very proud of us. We make an active choice. We're like, okay, we're going to have some people on that we think are fun, but we're not going to...

We're not going to basically frame every single episode into things that we think are bullshit. There's a comedy podcast. But you don't know. Oh, we know. Not all the time. There's a way to game this shit. And we choose not to do it. We choose not to do it. But you would have to have like a fact checker researcher sitting in studio right now. No, I'm saying the opposite. I'm saying we could go the extremist route. All you got to do is yell and have a really bad take about something and that shit will go. But so many people would be right.

We just think that they're not right because they're yelling. And the internet has told us that what they're saying is not true. I'm the type of person, I got to go research it myself. You know what I'm saying? I'm not listening to social media. Like yesterday was a great example, right? Nicki Minaj gets arrested. Oh, yeah. Nicki tweets out, and this happened in Amsterdam where weed is legal. Yeah. So my mind goes, well, maybe...

Maybe weed isn't legal in Amsterdam. Let me just go Google and see, because I never knew. You know, you always hear these stories about Amsterdam red light district. It's not legal in Amsterdam. Well, that wasn't the issue, but yeah. But it's legal in designated coffee shops, in places where it's designated. And I think you can only have up to...

Like five grams or some shit like that. So if she had a bunch of pre-rolls, maybe they were over five grams. The issue is she was trying to travel to another country with them. And that's where you get punished. So at the Amsterdam airport, if they see that you're bringing weed onto your flight, they can arrest you for that.

But my point is, that's part of the law. Yeah, exactly. In her mind, weed is legal in Amsterdam. Which one isn't true, and two, you're bringing it to another state or another country or whatever it is, which is also legal. So they fine her for that. Which we've seen happen in America. All the fucking time. You might leave Cali with the weed. Yeah.

And land in fucking... I think Denver Airport, there's like an amnesty thing where you throw it out now because if we catch you with it, you're fucked. You see what I'm saying? That's funny. Throw it away here. It's good. You're good. We'll throw it away. Oh, that's cool. I like that. They just have a box you can put it in. I like that. And then all the TSA guys take it home. Yeah. That's fine. That's fine. Resell it. That's fine. Boom, boom,

My point is, she said that. That's good faith. And mad people on social media repeated it. I saw that so much yesterday. Why is this happening to Nicki? Weed is legal and everything. Not quite, guys. But nobody even stopped to do any of the research. And then people will turn that story into anything that fits their argument.

So if they're argument, look how racist the world is, they'd be like, oh my God, look at this. Or look how, or the opposite, which is- Look how entitled Americans are. Look how entitled Americans are. Look, this is another Brittany Griner just thinking that she could take drugs all around the world. It's going to be okay. And people will frame this story into whatever fits their echo chamber. Nikki had more fire frame though. And this ties into- What'd she say? Nikki kept it into the-

this is them still trying to sabotage me. My tour. They've been trying to stop me for the life. You know, her whole thing has been about the industry is trying to shut her down and stop her. She put it right back. No, this is the people trying to stop my tour. I don't know why they're trying to stop my tour. You know what that makes people want to do? What? Bob.

I gotta go out here and support Nikki. I was what he's saying about the echo chamber that feed that ties into the earlier point he was making, which is I can just feed you what I already know you want to hear. You want to hear, Oh, look at racism, all examples of racism that makes you feel good. And there's a way you can lean into that and kind of grift and just make pretty good money. You can't be great. You can't be great, but you can have a good company. I really want to be your grift. What would you jump on?

Mental health therapy, that kind of thing? Nah, I did that. Stupid. I don't know. You could go conservative and have so much fun. Oh my God. You went Candace Owens? Doing that now. What's the next grift? I don't know. But my thing is like, I cannot do it. Meaning that

Maybe it's just I'm not I'm not a contrarian, but I have to just see what the other point of view is. I have to. Yeah. You cannot just tell me something. I have to go see what the other POV is. Also, if your contrarian nature inspires you to do that, that's not a bad thing.

Whatever it is that makes you go out there and seek a little bit more information, that's fantastic. It's okay. You should. Yes. Don't just take somebody's word for it. Not even mine. But you have to understand how hard that is when you're making money on it. And a lot of people on the internet are making money. They're paying their rent. They're paying their family's rent. And they have a responsibility now to go continue making this money in this way. They quit their job. They're like, holy shit, I'm making money making YouTube videos now. I got to keep these clicks up. I got to keep these views up. How do I do it?

Oh, here's my currency. I'm leaning into that. The algorithm decides what they create, not themselves. It's the most inauthentic version of creation. You are not creating for you. You are creating for others. Yeah. I talk about that in the book. It's just like, yo, I know very smart people, very intelligent people who are literally just telling people what they want to hear. And it's so predictable. And then they have the audacity to criticize.

You aren't even creating what you authentically want. Oh, my God. And you have the audacity to criticize. The algorithm has decided who you are as a creator. Oh, my God, man. No, it's actually disgusting. Yeah. And they're influential. People will believe them, too.

Eh. I think it's coming to an end. Yeah, I think it's not sustainable. That's what they don't realize. It's not sustainable. Initially it was because we just kind of believed anything that was produced. We were like, oh my God, here's information. It must be true. Somebody put effort into making this. And now that people are starting to see that there's like a grift and you can get views by doing certain things, I think the public is starting to be skeptical of the same exact video being put out. I think there still is

a market for it. But there's influence. I think we underestimate how many people are lost. And to your point about religion, like giving guidance, since there's not as much religion, maybe Tim Dillon said this, we're all kind of looking for God in something else. So if I'm a broken person who got treated, women treated me like shit, I never got no pussy,

I guess that's me, but I didn't get angry about it. But you chose not to get pussy. Yeah, true. But like these people who they find these red pill guys and they're like, oh, they're telling me exactly what I want to hear. I don't care what you expose about them. I don't care if it's fake. That makes me feel good. Oh, you see that with celebrity all the time. Yeah.

Like people like, and that's how I know people don't really be caring about the issues. Like they care, they care about the individual. Like people got mad at me last week. I didn't realize they got mad at me for some brilliant idiot shit. I said months ago when we were talking about Diddy. And I was just saying how like when I see situations like this, it's sad. Right? Like I did, I did Dan Abrams show and he played the clip from Idiots. Right? But he played it without the context. So the context was, it's sad to see another person, you know, ruin something

their life based off poor choices. Right? It's sad to see when these people crash and burn just because they've made poor, alleged poor choices. At the time I said alleged poor choices. Right? So, when somebody asked me about Diddy, it was on The View. They asked me about Diddy and I go, I think we need to focus on the issue

not the individual. Because what happens a lot of times in these situations, we get so caught up in the celebrity of it all that we don't ever take the time to talk about what's the real core issue here. To me, it's domestic violence. It's these men that need to go through the work on themselves because they're dealing with all this hurt and this pain and this unhealed trauma, and they're projecting that on the other women. And it's the patriarchy, because you got a guy like Aditi who's in a position of power who probably don't look at any woman

as an equal or as a... Or it's a sociopathic, power-hungry narcissist that is... But that's all, that's still all mental health related. That's still all something that you need to go get checked. There's gonna be crazy people out there. Yes, yes. So my point is, we don't ever talk about the issue. Now it's, Diddy's music is banned from Peloton and Diddy's eyeglasses are taken out. Who gives a fuck?

Whatever happens to him as an individual, he's got to deal with the consequences of his actions. But the issue is still going to be going on. That's interesting. As I'm talking right now, somebody's getting their ass kicked. Some woman's getting their ass kicked right now. Nobody's even paying her anointing. And then we move on. Once we see justice is served for the individual. That's right. We act as if the issue is taken care of. When in reality, it's not taken care of at all. No, at all. But our...

our passivity comes in because we feel satisfied because we never cared about the issue. I've never cared as strong, but like we cared more about the fact that this famous person we saw our whole lives is involved in this thing. Pound of flesh. Now, I largely agree with you. Could you make the argument that there is still some benefit in seeing, we're going to make an example out of this guy. You're going to take this guy who was

A demigod of sorts, like so powerful. And he's going to be stripped to nothing. And these are the consequences of those actions. Yes, but you have to put the lesson in it, right? Like we can't have these small conversations about Diddy and what it means to his legacy, whatever, whatever. We have to say this is what happens to your legacy when you do bullshit behavior like this. Yeah. Like we don't, we're not, I don't think we ever have those discussions when it comes to celebrities.

All we see is all of these guys get canceled, all of these guys go to prison, as they should, but then what? R. Kelly, same exact thing. Nobody's talking about human trafficking, nobody's talking about what's happening to these... Nothing. He pees on people. That's it. Which is hilarious. What's the lesson with Diddy? It's like, oh, he's gay. Yeah, he's gay, but it's not... We don't know that shit.

Fair. That is the other. What we know about Diddy is he absolutely puts his hands on women. We've seen that. I think that part's worse. Than him being gay? I don't know, dude. No, no, no, no, you're right. It depends how he's getting his butt. No, because he could be not consensual. That's what I'm saying, yeah. He could be not consensual. Exactly. I think we do know he's gay, though, from that video.

Bro, there's one story that came out of all of this. Don't jump away from it. He did fight with flowers. We do know that he's gay from that video. Why? Because of the way he was holding his towel? No. What? The socks. The socks.

I didn't notice the socks. You didn't see the socks in the video? No. I really couldn't. I didn't watch it. I think y'all pay attention to it. Once I saw him pull her down and kick, I'm like, that's enough. I didn't watch that part. I just watched the socks. I watched him like Joker walking through the hallway in his pink fuchsia socks. Yeah. And I was like, oh, this guy's definitely gay.

That was what I thought. That was the first thing I thought. I didn't know they were pink. Oh, wow. See what I'm saying? He put on her socks. Why would he do that? Because it's a power thing. It's grippy, bro. Drugs like a motherfucker. Yes. That's clear. And she said he was intoxicated and shit, but...

You are Sean P. Diddy Combs. Yeah. And you're in the Intercontinental Hotel and you run out in a towel. This was 2000, what, 16 or 18? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This guy was 46 years old. You're a hundred, you're a multi, you might have been a billionaire by this time. I don't chalk it up to, like no drug makes you beat a woman. No, no, no. You beat women and then you're on drugs. And then you do it. Yeah, it's not only drugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not saying it's not only drugs, but this isn't regular behavior, bro.

I think it's regular. You're running in a hotel with a towel on? I agree with him. I think it's regular for him. I think he's such a fucking monster. The amount of times you got to hit your girl to not give a fuck that you're in public? Yes! That's what I'm saying. But I think he's just such a power-hungry person that I think he feels invincible when he has the power. And these types of things, unfortunately, make him feel invincible. Top or bottom? What?

Top or bottom? Oh, did he? Power bottom. I think, honestly, I think it's top and I don't even think it's a gay thing. I think everything about his life is power and how he can exert power on people. I think that's why watching people fuck someone is power. It's like-

I'm going to make you do this thing you don't even want to do and I'm going to watch and enjoy it. That's why he loves the Joker. He wants to be the fucking Joker, this agent of chaos. I think it's both, bro. You think he's a power bottom? Centipede. So it's like Dick, then Sam. He's in somebody in him. Fucking Sam. Can I ask you a related question? Jay-Z.

Oh, stop it. If I'm hearing smoke, I've been hearing smoke about Diddy. That's why I believe the Cassie shit right away because we've all heard things about Diddy for a long time. We never heard this shit. We did not hear it. I heard, we used to always make a joke. No, we did not. I've heard the joke, Cassie's a hostage. You hear little whispers. Yeah, but we heard that. We said that about Tom Cruise too and Katie Holmes. Yeah. I didn't think I would ever see a video like this. I heard abuse whispers. Really? So I was thinking, yeah. I heard gay. I'd never heard.

I always heard gay. Gay nonstop. And that was enough. People were like. That's because of Wendy Williams. What'd you say? That was Wendy. Wendy whole thing was Diddy was gay since the 90s. She knew, dog. No, Wendy was doing that out there. We owe Wendy an apology. That's why Wendy got fired from Hot 97. Wendy got fired from Hot 97 by Diddy because that's when Bad Boy was smoking hot. Wow. And yeah, she got fired for putting that out there. Do you think that Diddy held on to the gay rumors so that people didn't know what he really was? Yeah. Because that's the perfect smoke screen.

You'd rather people think you're gay than beat women. By the way, here's the wild thing. We still don't know what Diddy is. I mean, we know little. We know bits and pieces. This shit might be deeper than rap. We don't know. This might be a whole rap. You might be like, oh, shit. But seeing this being... That's what I was trying to get at this whole time. That is the wildest story that came out of a lot of this shit. And nobody gets it.

gives a fuck wait what's the story pull it up I don't even want to repeat it pull it up this shit sounds so crazy no type in Nat type in his name and Diddy

But this is why I believe all the Cassie allegations because of this video. Because she describes this, what happened to the tea. So now it's like, I believe everything she said. Yeah, a thousand percent. I'm not, I'm not, I, yeah. This is horrifying. Also, also Diddy's bullshit, while you're getting that, Diddy's bullshit has to excuse like how he couldn't mention Cassie's name in the apology.

There's no rule you can't apologize. Whoever? I'm not laughing at that. I'm laughing at this shit here. I'm laughing at this shit that Marcus- Yeah, also you called her a liar like three days ago. Yeah, like get the fuck out of here. Said she was looking after for a quick buck. You're a fucking scumbag. Maybe this is more triggering for me because whatever, but like that shit. Why is this more triggering for you? I grew up in a house, and I didn't see that ever, but I grew up in a house where there was abuse. So it was like, you watch that, and this is way more extreme than anything I saw.

Like she's trying to sneak out of the fucking room. He's dragging her by the hair. Not going to pimp my struggle. I didn't see anything like that. But watching that is like, yo, fuck this guy forever. Did you ever try to intervene? Yeah, I did one time.

You got your ass kicked? No, we didn't do anything. I just stood in his way and I didn't say a word. I didn't even look at him, which I'm kind of like, I just got in his way. And I remember thinking, if I have to, if this goes down, this goes down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all I remember. I remember I was reading Will Smith's book and he always said he felt bad because he never intervened. So that was like, he said he felt like a coward. You know, he never intervened. Watching his mother go through the abuse from his father. But I think he said his brother did.

So a lot of that just makes you kind of think about everything that happened, everything that transpired with the slap and all of that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm going to stand up for myself finally. You didn't play the clip? I'm trying to find it. It was right there. I saw it. Go back to the one. Go back to the Hip Hop DX one. This is wild, bro. I didn't see this. Yo, this is crazy. This was wild. Like, I'm like, this is how you know too much is going on. This shit is wild but hilarious. Let's keep it.

Keep it a buck. No. That's why a lot of people look quiet. And out of those five or six, how many... The first one was the worst one and then the other ones I left early. Okay, so the worst one was Carl Wynn. Carl Wynn's on guess. Yeah, it did. So you're busting the door you didn't hear? No, because you know how me, I like to joke and play and stuff. Right, right, right. So a nigga don't give a fuck. So I'm just here like...

I'm like, oh, somebody wearing this bitch out on the crib. So I go bust in the door. I look up. I see Carl's window. So I'm like, this is crazy. Wow. I can't think of that. I can't. You know, I like to think of Carl's window. I think of the cop. I just can't picture that big ass nigga bento. Ha ha ha ha ha.

Why is that not being talked about more? I used to hear Carl Winslow was gay rumors too and then when you rewatch he's a little wristy with the acting. But watching yo what type of madman are you? You're watching Family Matters and you're like yo I gotta get that. I gotta fuck Carl Winslow. Like what the fuck? You're Diddy.

You got access to so many people. But that's your favorite show. You got the hit. He likes it. Carl Winslow. TV Daddy. Bring up Carl Winslow so everybody knows what he's about to say. Watching him in that uniform got you bricked up. Are you a little proud that it was still a black man who's attracted to? Black and black. That's black love. No. What would Dr. Umar say? And then the wild part about the video, the homie said...

He was wearing them out. Wearing them out. On Crip. Wearing them out on Crip. On Crip. Yo, I had to kick in the door to see what the fuck was going on. Who in here wearing this girl out like that? God damn, man. There were some beautiful women on Family Matters, bro. And he does the voice for the... Maya. Now I'm going to watch that show a little different. Are we still live? Yeah. Oh, God bless the day. I mean, God bless the living. God bless the living.

Oh, I know who I'm thinking about. Who are you thinking about? I'm thinking about Phil. But same difference. Yo, this is wild. Oh, James Avery. You thought it was James Avery. James Avery. No, I knew it was him, but I just was getting him confused for a second. My whole point with this is, this is a wild story, yo. So you know how wild your story's got to be throughout this whole shit where this one just gets swept under the rug? Yeah. Only person I saw repost this was, of course, 50.

50 didn't miss shit. 50 didn't miss this. Shout out to 52, man. Shout out to 50. The inspiration for this book. Oh, yeah. What did he say? What did he say? He said, your idea to use my idea was a good idea. Yeah, yeah. What was that referencing? Get Rich or Die Trying. The book, Get Honest or Die Lying. Get Rich or Die Trying. No, I know it's a playoff of that, but that's what it was. Did he say something on Breakfast Club and then? No, no, no. He was talking about this. Just the title. Yeah.

50 always reposts my books though, so I salute the Fifth. Shout out to Fifth. Then you commented that, "Oh, I'm taking the money." I don't have any money by Monday. Which Monday? Listen, man, if Fifth need me for something, I'm here. You know what I mean? That's all. You might need me to voice some commercials for something. He got a bunch of TV shows. He got the studio in Louisiana. It's all right. It'll be fine.

I do love that he puts on Shreveport. I like that. That's why I basically grew up there. You did? I spent like half my year there. My uncle and aunt lived out there. I spent so many months in Shreveport. Yo, why do Indians move to the most rural places in the South? In that case, there was a need for doctors, and you can make a lot of money as a doctor out there. Got you, got you, got you. Most of the Indians out there are really successful, because if you went to Shreveport, Louisiana, you had a fucking reason. Yeah.

You know what I mean? So I think a lot of times if you see Indians in kind of like small, this is just theory, these small kind of rural, not many minority places, there's money that they're making. They're not doing poorly. People in Shreveport made some money from natural gas living on that shale. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the city split. There's like a... Shreveport and Bossier City. Bossier City, Bossier. Shreveport's not that nice, to be honest with you. Maybe it got nice, but I think it was called Ratched City. What was the name of Hurricane Chris's from there? I-N-D-E-P.

No, man, that's fucking Webby. Who's Hurricane Chris is from? Hurricane Chris sings...

- Halle Berry, Halle Berry. - There you go. - Halle Berry. It was like that in Columbia, Columbia, South Carolina had like a real heavy pocket of Indians. That's where Z's grew up. - Yeah. - Like me and my boy DJ Frosty. - His dad's a doctor, right? - The university. - Yeah, the university. - I would imagine. - Yep, and me and my boy Frosty used to always get paid to do the Indian part. - Huntsville, Alabama got a lot of Indians 'cause there's like a space center there or something like that. - Easiest crowd to DJ. - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? - Hey, what the fuck am I saying? -

Easiest party is the DJ. You know why? Yeah, I know why. Why? The Jay-Z song. That's all they want. That's all they want. They don't matter. For all people getting there and trying to play some other shit, I'll be talking like, hey man, let's get to it. Fuck this small talk. Let's get the Punjabi MC. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da

And hours, the one song, over and over. Because they were so pleased you knew it. You know what I mean? It's Punjabi MC with Jay-Z. Who didn't know that record? Who didn't know that record? It was unbelievable. That one song all night long. Dance, get drunk, have a good time. Charlamagne, speaking of rap, there is a song that apparently you have done a cover of that's out there right now. What song?

Apparently, you've done a cover of Grippy. Nah. Yeah. Sharla. Sharla, stop it. Sharla. I don't know nothing about this. Uh-huh.

We gotta get rid of A.I., bro. We gotta get A.I. the fuck out of here. Nah, don't to die. You said J. Cole, the reference track. I never even heard that record. I mean, I heard of it because everybody was talking about how bad J. Cole's verse was. What did you think about J. Cole? Goddamn, you bricked up a good one.

- He worked up again. - He need to shake it off. - Y'all make that with AI? - Nah. - Yeah, we gotta get rid of AI. - What did you think of J Cole's comeback song? - I didn't even listen to it. - Same. - I heard of it. I heard people saying how bad it was. I didn't even listen to it. - Now we have another song also that you've rapped on. - All right, let's hear it. - All right, Mark.

Oh, this one's a banger, bro. You haven't heard this? It's got a lot of radio play right now. You know this one.

Let's go! Yo, D-Fun AI, yo. D-Fun AI. Wait till they start singing, though.

That's scary. That is scary because they nailed it. And it's probably easier with us since we got thousands of hours. That is scary, yo. All right, one more. We got one more banger for you, bro. We got one more banger. This one's an original. Don't be doing Million Dollar Baby. That's what I want. This is a real one, though.

I'm sleepy well. Look weak as hell.

Yo, that's scary as fuck. Well, we got to give credit because our boy Jake wrote it. Yeah. And then they used... Oh, okay, okay, okay. So they basically... Yeah, you can describe it, Mark. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this dude is actually Jack, Jack Champ. I thought it was Jake for a long time. Jack Harlow? No. Basically. No, this dude Jack, he's a rapper. And basically what he's able to do is he raps the song with his voice. Okay. And then he takes your voice and then puts it on top of his voice so it sounds like you're rapping it.

I think his name is Jake. It says in the email, Jack. Maybe that's his rap name, but... I think I fucked it up. It's Jack. I called him Jake day one. I met him at the garden. I said, yo, what's up, Jake? He's probably so nervous, he just did the garden. Anyway... Yo, don't ever be afraid to correct somebody when they say your name wrong, Jake. My bad, Jack. Shit. Let's fuck Miles' fault. Yeah, yeah. Fuck you, Miles. Anyway, but no, he's nice with it, so he wrote a couple. But this one's fire. That shit fire as fuck. You sound good.

I'm just scared of this shit, yo. I'm telling you. What, you're going to get a bad boy deal? No. I'm going to say it was AI. That's a world... Somebody's going to use that to have a world leader set this shit off. Yeah, that's possible. It's only a matter of time. That's possible. Because that could just be something that can be broadcast over...

A social media platform. How would it sound if Kim Jong-un was going to kick it off? I bet you if you do that, you'll realize how much regulations they got on this shit. Yeah, they got some. I bet you if you do that, like have Putin or Kim, what's his fucking name? Kim Jong-un. Yeah. Or Xi Jinping. Exactly. The one from China. If you have one of them say that it's a nuclear threat, I bet you your computer will fucking freeze up. Yeah, explode. Immediately.

- But you can guarantee your advantage too. Let's say you say something and they say, say aye. - Y'all two years late. I've been doing that. What you talking about? - There you go. So it goes both ways. - I've been doing that. - Yeah, that's your trick. - Say aye. I don't even think people care about, you cannot care about old shit no more because of AI. - Thank God. - And that's what we're crazy. - What a relief. - Because you don't know, and that's the other scary part about life, right?

If you got to navigate through every single thing that somebody puts on your table. Yeah. Like before I even determine what my opinion or feeling about it is, I got to figure out if it's real first. Who got time? Nah, don't have it. I ain't got time. So fuck it. I don't even care. That's dangerous. What do you think happens with the...

With the legislation shit, because I saw that, I think Scarlett Johansson, I don't know if she was suing or she was complaining that ChatGPT- She said her lawyers are looking into it. Okay, they are. So ChatGPT released the voice for their AI, and it sounds like Scarlett's voice. Scarlett Johansson. In her, which is a movie where she voices an AI. Right, yeah. And I think even Sam Altman, the guy who runs ChatGPT, tweeted out,

her. Now, they also engaged Scarlett Johansson's agents to see if they could use her voice, and then they ended up not doing it. I guess the point is, and this is no different than anything else, right? A new thing pops up, and you have to find some legislation for it to protect people's intellectual property. But

She should be able to sue if they're using her IP. But I wonder, what is the legality of impressions? So apparently the woman that they got to do this, like their defense is they say, I know some people are saying it sounds like Scarlett Johansson. She's saying that yada yada. But we hired a voice actress that happens to have a similar intonation from a similar region. Dove, do you remember the radio commercial in California when we were going to school and

That was an impression. It was like for some auto thing, but it was an impression of Arnold Schwarzenegger, an impression of it was like three or four impressions. And it clearly wasn't those people. But an impression is using their voice. Do you remember that?

What was it for? I don't know. But I guess I remember hearing this on the radio going, how can they get away with this shit? They're using somebody's likeness to promote a product that they're not getting compensated for. So can you just do an impression of somebody? And if you can do an impression of people, AI's impression is going to be perfect. Yeah. Yeah.

Is AI an impression, though? I think parody, you're allowed to do under parody, maybe? Oh, whoa, whoa, that's a great point. Sorry. Is AI an impression? AI is not an impression. It is the actual synthesis of that person's voice where parody is an impression. So AI is fraud. AI is identity theft. Yeah. That's why they took her voice down immediately. Oh, so they stop it? Yeah, immediately. Okay. Oh, as soon as Carla complained, they pulled it. Oh, so that's an admission of guilt, but I still need some money for paying the damages. Yeah.

No, for real. Because you had people fucking asking me about shit that I didn't want to be asked about. Like, seriously, people running up on me in the airport asking me about whatever the fuck was on that commercial. I don't know anything about it. Interesting. You know, and now I feel stupid. I don't want to feel stupid. So you made me, put me in a position to feel stupid. I need some money for that. Mm-hmm.

That's reasonable. I don't see the problem. Don't sue us, Charlotte. No, no, no. Sue Jack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. When I sue, I sue big. No, for real. Lawsuits are hard to win. Lawsuits are not easy to win. So if you're going to win them, you might as well use the bad. Yeah, because it's going to cost you money. That's the thing people don't realize. That's why I be so sad about this new generation of broadcasters and everything, because they're getting sued and stuff, not realizing...

In order for you to, if you get sued, you got to hire a lawyer to reply. That shit costs money. Oh, yeah. Just hiring, it just, that process is crazy. And what they don't realize is sometimes bigger people, like maybe yourself, others, have a lawyer on retainer. So you're already paying them. That's right. And you want that guy to go to work.

I'm paying you every month. If we're not suing anybody, I'm wasting money. That's right. That's right. That's right. You never know. You never know when a lawsuit is brewing. You never know. You never know when you're cooking something up. Or when you might hit somebody with it. That's right. You never know. That's right. And the laws are fucked up now just because like. They better save up. You don't need a. Some people don't even need a lawyer.

To file a suit. And we live in an era... That's what a lot of these cases are, right? Because what happens in a lot of these cases, these lawyers go to people and these lawyers say, hey, um...

If you don't pay us X amount of dollars, we're going to go to the press with this story. Yeah, exactly. And so now you got a lot of people that are like, man, I don't give a fuck. That shit going to last. That shit going to be in the news cycle 12 hours anyway. Whatever. Go do your thing. We'll fight it in court. But then you have some people who'll be like, I don't want that shit to get out of the room. My reputation, blah, blah, blah. And so they'll pay it off. I'm curious. Why do you think Diddy...

went so hard to not settle with Cassie earlier? Like, why did he actually allow you to get that? - Hubris. - Ego. - Ego. - He didn't. - He got away with it for decades. - But knowing the evidence sets out. - You start to believe you're invincible.

The delusion. Think about getting away with that for 20 years. OJ killed his wife after beating her like 20 times. Allegedly. Allegedly. No, he did beat her like 20 times, but then allegedly killed her. Allegedly killed her. Allegedly. Yeah, I think the thing with Diddy is like, yeah, it's ego. And if you think that you have this type of control over a person, you don't think that person would ever play with you.

You think that you put enough fear of God in this person or enough fear of Ciroc. I don't fucking know. Just enough fear of something to where this person would never cross you in that way, shape, or form. But...

No, this young lady went, found her a new man who I'm sure empowered her in different ways, poured into her, gave her that confidence and that strength she needed. And I'm not just giving all the credit to the man, but I'm sure that that helped. I like that. But I'm sure that helped. And she said, fuck it. You know, now let's do it. Why do you think he was so fearless? Because there's a lot of reasons to be afraid. I don't think he was. See, that's the thing, Akash. We think he was fearless. We don't.

That motherfucker probably was shaking in his boots at home. We don't know. You know what I was wondering? I was wondering if Diddy was scared to go after him because he's white. Because he's blowing up Kid Cudi's car for trying to go on a date with Cassie. Allegedly. Allegedly. Blowing up. I'll blow up your fucking car. You're famous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there might have been so much fear just like, he's a white dude. This will be a different thing. Maybe. Maybe.

Because he seemingly unscathed. No cars got blown up of his. His Toyota Yaris didn't take a fucking... You know what I mean? Or maybe he not easily accessible like a kid Cuddy would be. You know, our kid Cuddy's vehicle would be. But I've been wondering about that. This guy...

Stood up in the face of a lot of fear and I do give credit for that He never he never gave a fuck but also he was in love you in love man You gonna ride for your woman the same way. He probably gave Cassie confidence Cassie Charlie gave the husband mad confidence, too And we don't know the husband probably was also who never gave a fuck anyway. Fuck y'all did I scared of you niggas? Did he might not literally? Concerns with public perception

of some random white dude dating Cassie, but he might be concerned. That seems disrespectful. That seems like it cuts out my power. My ex is dating this other rapper. That's valid. And I think those types of people, the sociopaths, they can only really think about themselves and the power that they're exerting around them. And if it looks as if someone's chipping away at that power in any way, they're like, fuck you. You got to go down. The scariest part about that shit is the fact that

To what we've been saying the whole pod is like that he just was lying.

up until the day before the video came. These people are crazy. Like, if I knew that there was a video out there that existed of me doing some shit like that, I couldn't lie to myself. Bro, I'll just shut the fuck up. There's a... I guess he thought he was safe because he owned the video. Well, he didn't know there was another copy. So, there's a video of Diddy. He don't like Paris, does he? He only had one sock. He thought it was one video. He didn't realize there was a whole other fucking video out there. Jesus Christ. There's a video of Diddy that I look at completely different now.

But it's the video of him. He makes a deal. He's in some shitty office. And then he slams the phone down. He goes, I cannot be stopped. Have you seen that video? We all know this video. And I look at that completely different now. How do you look at it now? Just, I am an absolute tyrant. And I thrive so much off of- Conquest? Conquest. Conquest.

And this is evidence of a conquest and it is fueling every fiber of his being. Yeah. I agree with that. But it goes back to the same thing I said about Kanye. Those same things that make people great also make them

fucked up and evil if you don't have it in check. It's the fire. The fire can be a furnace that warms your whole building or it can destroy it. That's right. Like, you got to have that shit in check. Like, you got to have your ego in check because that shit can go either way. You can have this shit fuel you to greatness or it can be the thing that causes you to ultimately self-destruct. Yeah. That's why whatever it is that you're great at, whatever that...

energy is whatever that gift is you always got to make sure you're constantly using it for good because you can flip it in two seconds and use it for the so how do you how have you stayed humble how have you checked your your success and was it a process to get there success is out success is not the check your ego check your yeah it's the ego that needs checking to your success it's a constant

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's something you have to constantly do. It's not something that you, that happens to you once. If you're lucky, it happens to you one time and you reel it in. I think mine is just knowing that all of this shit can be over. Like, this shit ain't,

None of this shit is guaranteed. Like think about all these people that we're talking about had way more than we have currently. Not saying that we're not going to get there, but anybody's legacy can be burned down. Any powerful dictator can be touched. And by the way, any tyrant can be touched. And it's not even always somebody taking you out. You're not exempted as these.

You know what I'm saying? Like anything can happen to you. So I constantly just think about number one, losing it all. Number two, honestly, I still think about what's after this. Hmm.

I'm not one of these people who's just like, YOLO, fuck it, we on earth. After here, it's over. My mindset is still, there still might be something after this. And you want to be good for it. And I want to be good for that just in case. There's too much stories out there of there being an afterlife and what comes after this. For some of this not to be true. And how about this?

I don't want to keep repeating my shit here. I did earth once. I'm cool. Let's go to another dimension. You think once. Maybe you come back more. Maybe, maybe. Maybe because I haven't figured out the lesson yet. So maybe this is the life where I'm like, you know what? I finally figured it out. I've done what I came to do here. It's on to the next dimension. Facts. So that's literally my mindset all the time. Have you talked about your ayahuasca experience?

Publicly? Yeah, I talked about it on Jay Shetty a little bit. He said, what's up, too, by the way. Oh, where? Yeah, I talked about it on Jay Shetty a little bit. I talked about it on Jay Shetty a little bit. I mean, that's actually where, like, I was writing this book, but it was day two of my ayahuasca experience that made me have a revelation. And it was stop lying to yourself and stop volunteering those lies to other people. Hmm.

Because we all wake up every day and we throw on a mask, right? And sometimes you don't even mean to. You just do it because it gets you through the motherfucking day. So to walk around without the mask, to walk around without any sort of armor, to always be your vulnerable, authentic self, that's hard, bro. That's difficult. But day two of my ayahuasca journey, that came up. And then that's when everything just started to flood in like,

yo, get honest or die lying. Like, like, cause I kept saying, I kept saying, uh, true for die. Like it was like travel. That was true for die. Like, and then it just started rolling in, get honest or die lying, get honest or die lying, get honest or die lying. And I realized that's what my journey has been throughout my whole life. Trying to show up and be the most authentic, honest version of myself as possible. But what happens is you end up being real with everybody else.

Except for yourself. Because it's easy to do. It's easy to tell you your haircut's fucked up. Right? No, no, I'm not saying your haircut's fucked up. I'm just saying. It's easy to tell somebody else. That was a very specific example. No, I'm just saying. I was just looking at him. It's easy.

No, no. Go ahead, go ahead. It's easy to call Alex gay. Yes. But have you explored your possible gayness? No. I'm just using these as examples. That's a great example. No, I'm just using these as examples. The point is, it's easy to point out what you see in other people, but it's hard to look in that mirror and point out your own. Do you see homosexuality in Alex? While you were on ayahuasca, did you?

Alex didn't come up for me. He didn't come up. But I'm telling you, ayahuasca, it is an amazing thing because anything that you've ever suppressed in your life. That's coming up. Oh, my God. So what'd you see? My God. Yeah, I want to know what you saw, what happened. Diary of a CEO title? Yeah. I was trying to remember the title. I couldn't do it. I did, though. Probably. A lot of that did come up. A lot of that did come up.

Can you tell us? Come on, you talked to Jay about it. No, I didn't talk to Jay too much about it. Oh, okay. Yeah, I gave him enough. The interesting thing is this all happened in February, so it's still a lot to process. Got it. You know what I'm saying? So take your time with it. I might have already spoken about this if you have, I'm sorry. What made you start the, was there like a tipping point where you're like, yo, I need to start a journey of mental health, bettering myself, et cetera, or did it just kind of happen naturally?

Yeah, 2016. I mean, I feel I've always been on that journey. It's when you veer off. It's when you're not being you. It's when you're doing things that you know you're

aren't you I was losing I was losing myself to this industry shit that's what I was losing myself to you know what I mean and I mean not losing it to where I would show up to a ditty party but losing it to where it's just like yo I don't even move like this you know what I'm saying like it's not even my style so it's like

that's what really got me on the journey of saying, yo, I got to figure this out. Plus dealing with the anxiety and the depression and finally having some money and knowing what it was. I never knew what it was before. So now knowing what it was and having

language for it and knowing other people who was going to therapy and shit that's what started me on my on on my healing because i remember going to therapy being a big decision you remember being like all right i'm finally getting in yeah for me it was i'm with my girl i love this girl i keep getting in these big fights it keeps fucking things up i gotta start working on this that's right so i'm curious if there was a thing for you where it's not it was like the same thing you know i was fucking up my household yeah yeah um and i just wasn't happy

Yeah. Like genuinely. You should be. You got everything. You got every fucking thing. Genuinely just was not happy. That's why this weekend was so crazy because I'm like, I'm having a crazy ass panic attack and I'm depressed and I have no reason to feel like this. I was like, you know what? I am retarded. I totally understand why I'm in these fucking classes. You're worried about that book coming out. It was out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's still the vulnerability. When I called my therapist Sunday, what did he say? He did say that to me. I wrote it down. He said, um,

anxiety comes with doing new things. It's unhuman for it not to be, which I knew already. But this panic attack Saturday was crazy. Where was it? I was at home. Wow. Watching what? What the fuck was I watching? We were watching something on TV because I kept going under the covers.

"What the fuck was I watching?" I'm kicking it out loud. Like, I want to be there for you, but that shit is super gay. You and your wife watching something on TV and you running under the covers. You know what's so funny? I was on the couch like... And his wife's like, "Don't worry, you'll be all right." I took three Tyson bites.

I should have only took one. That's the part I didn't mention. And I think they were sativa and not hens. Oh, so you had your brain active. Oh my God. And you got this big thing underneath all of that. Oh my God. The only reason I took three of them is because there was two, it was like two and a half. So it was like 10 milligrams a piece. So it was like 25 milligrams and I just popped. And I'm like,

What the fuck is happening right now? Yeah, you had a big impact from marijuana. Yeah, stay off the weed. Yeah. Okay, listen, before we get out of here. I'm sorry. I know, there's a lot of people out there probably relating with me, like, oh, I had one of those. No, no. I was only covering just the drugs. You're a high on drugs. Okay, before we get out of here. Oh, hold on. That's a bar, too, my therapist told me. What?

Because you said addicts. Yeah. He said, always remember, because I was talking about the people that, you know, I hadn't even seen no comments or anything. He said, always remember that the people on TV and social media are addicted to attention. Yep.

People in the comments are addicted to attention, and we don't listen to people behaving from the perspective of addicts. Oh, fuck. That's fire. That's fire. He said we don't listen to people behaving from the perspective of addicts. That's fire. And if we treated them like...

crackheads, all of a sudden we could laugh at their behavior. That's right. Now mind you, growing up there's definitely crackheads that I learned from, right? But I learned what not to do. So it's the same thing. Why are we listening to these people who don't have their shit figured out? We don't listen to people who speak from the perspective of addicts. That's fire. Yeah. Now listen, there's a chapter nine in your book, Before We Leave. Yes.

Can I do one question before? Yes, please. How many more years of The Breakfast Club? Ooh, the hard questions. I don't know. I mean, you really don't know. How many more years you want to do it? I got a number. I definitely, I personally have a number. But it's not even just Breakfast Club. It's just being talent, period. Is that a financial number? Is that a year? No, no, no, no. It's not a financial number. It's just like, I like, I like, I like...

being behind the scenes a lot more nowadays. I remember you telling me that at MSG, and that was interesting. Is that what you see yourself transitioning to after you get out? Yeah, I'm doing that now. Like full-time? Yeah, I'm executive producing. I got my own book in print where we're putting out other people's books. Me and Kevin Hart got the company SBH Productions with Audible. We're executive producing all of that. Audio scripted content that's going to turn into documentaries and movies and stuff in the future. I'm getting into movie game and a real...

a real way like that. What was that movie you did? 88. Yeah, that's a political thriller. But I got another movie play that's going. What do you like? Talk about that? Not yet. What do you like more about being behind the scenes? Empowering other people. Watching other people get their shit off. Watching other people become, you know,

These great entities that people so you enjoy watching fuck. We I love that. Yes. No, I don't and I Feel it Diddy Joe

Guys, this has been Flagrant. Make sure you go out and get Get Honest or Die Alive. It's our third book. Go get it right now. We love you, brother. We appreciate you. Thank you so much for all the game over the years. Wizard, everything you shared with me.

and you're the fucking man we're going out there flagrant asshole army go grab this book you can get it digitally you did the reading for it as well I did the audio Charlamagne's voice mad people be running up on me going asshole army gang I be like oh shit yeah

It's a Diddy Party saying right there. I know. Yo, it's crazy. I've been having to explain it to people. Because if you're in the airport and somebody just wants to do Asshole Army and it's like an old white lady you've been talking to, she's like, oh, what is that? I'm like, oh, nah, my man got a podcast. I'll be telling him, here we go. We love y'all. We appreciate y'all. Peace.