The Desert of Death
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I'm Anastasia Nicolazzi, former New York City homicide prosecutor and host of Investigation Discovery's True Conviction. And this is Anatomy of Murder. You know, we're going to El Paso, Texas today. And El Paso, those of you who don't know, we probably know it's in Texas, but it's way west and it's southwest. It actually shares a border with Mexico. The reason that we are going to be in El Paso, at least virtually, is because of what happened there. ♪

I spoke with Marsha Fulton. Marsha Fulton is the mother of a young girl who went missing in El Paso, Texas. I was really reminded speaking to her that this woman, in addition to that loss, the criminal justice system itself really caused her such additional knots, you know, in the ropes of this woman's pain. And certainly for me, having had my career within that system, it's really hard for me to hear, although I totally get it. And so I really hope Scott understands

That in talking about the case today, that one of the things that we can do is shed some insight into some of that, some of the reasons for it, and also some of the issues that we too see. You know, Anastasia, so many of the homicides that we cover, especially involving teens, begin with some sort of unexplained disappearance, right? Unfortunately, sometimes the situation is misjudged by law enforcement and the results will take us where we are with today's story.

So let's start at the beginning, happier times. Marsha Fulton, as she described, she was the mother of two young girls, Sunday and Desiree. They spent most of their lives in El Paso, Texas. Marsha was divorced at that point and she moved in with her parents. She worked long hours and her parents volunteered to help out with the girls. It was really important to Marsha that her kids...

not be latchkey kids and that her mom, their grandmother had dinner on the table for those girls every single night. These girls are 60 months apart. Desiree, who she called Desi, was her youngest. Well, Desiree was something special. She came home one day and she asked me, she says,

What does the word gullible mean? And I said, well, it means that, you know, you believe things that people tell you. And she says, oh, OK. She says, well, I was voted most gullible today in school.

Well, how about that? She was gullible, but she was gullible because she just saw everybody as good. It's that special relationship that Desi and her mom shared, I think, is so important to this story.

She danced to a different drummer, okay? And I didn't know how correct I was until one day, I'm driving down the road and she's walking down the sidewalk, she don't see me, and she's dancing as she's walking down the sidewalk. There was no iPods then, there was no, the music was in her head. And she was just dancing to that music that only she heard.

That speaks volumes to me about this free spirit, strong young woman who really doesn't care what other people think, but there's an innocence about her. You know, she believes the best in people until they prove her wrong, which unfortunately may well have fed into what happened.

She said, "No, no, that's last day of school. I want to take pictures."

So finally, we got the film, driving home. I get right to our street where we're going to turn. So she gets out, starts walking, and turns around, waves goodbye, says, love you, Mom. And I says, I love you, too. I'll see you tonight. Well, those were the last words we said to each other. And I thank God every day that that were the last words where I told her I loved her, and she said, I love you, too.

Desiree and her friends left school that day with plans for a party that night. But she wanted to stay out. You know, this is their last day of school, but she is the type of young woman that she did it responsibly. She actually called her grandmother to say, I know my curfew's at 8 p.m., but can I stay out till 10? So,

So my mom thought about it, said, "Okay, so you have to be at the door by 10 o'clock." And Desi said, "Okay, I can do that. No problem." So when I got home that night, it was 2 a.m., my mother, she met me at the door, which was not usual. And she said, "Uh, Desi's not home yet." I said, "What?"

Somebody who does that, someone who is responsible enough to ask permission to stay out two extra hours, is not likely the kind of person who would just not show up at the time she's scheduled to. Have you ever heard the saying, oh God, I just felt like somebody walked over my grave? That's the feeling I got. And at that moment, I just knew I was never going to see her again.

She was last seen at the local Circle K convenience store. She was with her friend and they got separated. Her friend walked home one way and Desi would have to go the other way and she didn't. That's the last sighting anyone had in her. I called the police immediately. So,

So they sent two officers over and I said, look, she is missing. And they looked at me in the eye and said, oh, Mrs. Wheatley, no, no. Look, we have had it up to here with missing kids tonight.

It's the last day of school. You know, they're all missing. And I said, no, don't understand. I said, this child would not go away quietly. I said, if she was going to run away...

I mean, I have to step in as the former uniformed officer. Many of the people I've met in my life have said,

Many shows and movies publicize that there is a 24 to 48-hour waiting period to report somebody missing. That does not exist within law enforcement. The real issue is the information that the officers are presented with. You take so many things into consideration. Obviously, the age of the person who's reported missing and the history of them leaving home without permission before. So it goes back to what I said at the top. I mean, it's really about...

what they do with that information, and how many of these cases really turn out to just be somebody who comes home at 2 o'clock in the morning because they just stayed out past their curfew, or how many of them really go the opposite direction and become a crime. And with that, too, I mean, we do have to talk about it's about the numbers and resources. If officers are chasing down every person that's reported not showing up home, well, they're unavailable to go to other things. And so

you know, where is the right mix and which is going to be the one they really need to focus on their attention to the other ones that are going to turn out okay. And so I do get that very difficult thing that they have to do of trying to order them and where their attention needs to be for the safety of that person in the community. But sometimes, unfortunately, they get it very wrong.

After they left, I got in my car. I started driving the neighborhood. I started driving all the way around northeast El Paso, looking, hoping to find her. Never found her, never found her. I mean, she had the helpless feeling on two sides, not being able to locate her daughter and not feeling that law enforcement was doing enough to aid her in finding her. So I'm waiting.

for someone to call me. So I call them. I said, look, I put in a missing persons report on my daughter two days ago. So they put me in touch with the juvenile department. I would go into one office, to another office, to another office. I'd go to the DA's office. One time I went in there and the lady said, well, he's not in right now.

Okay, I'll wait for him. Don't do his office and sit on his desk. I'm just a mother that needs to know what happened to her child. I mean, I pursued this for a month.

So one of Marsha's biggest complaints was that the information about her daughter being missing was shuffled between a few different departments within the El Paso Police Department. From one detective to another, talking to another person, and that level of frustration, I could feel it. Police officers in uniform are a lot like firefighters.

They're going from call to call putting fires out, handling situations as they come up. And then if anything needs follow-up, it's back at the D Bureau or the Detectives Bureau for them to do the legwork. But that's the reality of the system, and that's how the system works. Most occasions, it works perfectly well. On some occasions, it goes perfectly wrong. I could not even breathe for her during this time.

And then one day, Marcia gets a tip, a call. Someone spotted Desiree. And they're ready to board a flight in about an hour.

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We were running both ways until we found the guy. And he pointed her out to me. And I literally, I ran up to her and took her by the shoulder. She turned around. It was not her. You know, that's one of the unfortunate parts of publicizing, you know, someone who's missing is that people believe that

They recognize them, and it gives, unfortunately, sometimes false hope. Other times, it leads to great endings where they actually do find someone who's missing. Now she's just back to searching for her missing child. Marsha wasn't the only mother who was searching for her daughter. On June 5th, there was an article in the El Paso Times that there was a girl named Karen Baker who had been missing forever.

For the last few days. Marsha reached out to the missing girl's mother to see if there was any connection. These disappearances were in the same town. In fact, they were in only a few miles of each other. And Marsha was convinced that there was a connection. And Karen Baker and Desiree, they're different young women. Karen was 20 years old. She already had three young kids.

But there was an interesting connection, and that is that Karen Baker's mom and Marsha both worked at Rockwell International, which is, for those of you that don't know, an aerospace manufacturing plant. So, you know, certainly from law enforcement's perspective, they're looking at anything. Are these isolated? Are they not? And for the parents, they just want to know where and who and why. And they're grasping at straws to see if they can figure something out. It was a really big company. Rockwell has more than 1,000 employees, I think, at that location. Yeah.

And I think that really didn't lend much to the theory of a connection. In fact, they didn't even know each other at work. So when I found out she was missing, I called her. And we talked for a long time. And then we discovered there's also people missing before them. There were at least eight missing young women and girls that disappeared in a time span from February to August of that year.

And they were all from Northeast El Paso, not too far away from each other. That's not a coincidence. And the police kept saying, well, we can't do this. We can't connect the dots to take all of these girls are related.

There's eight young women missing in a span of, you know, however many months it is between February and August. I mean, how much of that speaks to you as unfortunately just a statistic? Things happen in big cities versus maybe there's some sort of a pattern or connection here. I mean, to me, it's like a boulder in a small sandbox. I mean, there's no way that you as a member of law enforcement, you can't step up and say this is a usual occurrence that happens all the time. It doesn't.

And when you look at some of the ages of the missing girls, 13, 15, 20, 19, 17, 14, 24, those ages, you know, they could be a couple of years on either side of that. But it's the circumstances, A, of the disappearance, unexplained.

And it's the area of where they're, you know, missing from. Some of it's only within a five-mile radius. Hello? McFly? I mean, that's just—you have to look at that and say, it spells out task force to me. It spells out separate investigation. Call out the troops. I mean, that's an easy one for me. That's a layup.

— That began more publicity on their case.

I had Karen Baker's mom, Mary, call me. And she asked, she was crying, and this was in September. And she says, have the police called you? And I said, no, why? She goes, well, they found Karen buried in the desert.

A utility worker out in the desert finds what he described to El Paso detectives as finding human remains. It actually was a leg protruding, as terrible as that sounds, but a leg protruding out from the dirt. And they didn't just find one young woman, they found two. And the second young woman they found, only 100 yards away from the first, none other than Karen Baker.

And both these young women died of strangulation. I can only imagine the conversations that were going on back at El Paso Police Department on that day when they found these two girls about what Marsha was saying all along, that this was not a runaway.

Because now, these two bodies, they're found September 4th, 1987. So we're just talking with a couple months. And like you said, Scott, it went from these young girls are missing and we know there's something wrong to now it is clear they have got a serial killer on their hands. Scott, you know, your reporter's hat, I'm sure you're out there the second this information is found. But your law enforcement hat is even more interesting to me for this one. Where do you go as far as the investigation to all these other missing girls?

We have two victims. How many other victims are we looking for? Bring out the canine dogs to determine if more victims can be found in the same area. Because if a bad guy is going to bury a body in the desert, it's likely there are other bodies out within the same area. So you really need to do everything you can to expand that search and determine, are there more victims buried out here in the desert?

A cadaver dog could help answer that question. And, you know, we're talking Texas, and we all know that expression, everything's bigger in Texas. Well, that's the desert, too. And going back to Marsha, it was five months. It was until October. She is waiting, zero answers about her daughter until she gets a very surprising call. And she was really surprised at what she heard on the other end, that they wanted a fresh start, a brand new investigation. And there was a reason why.

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Unfortunately, when I hear that, we know that's not for anything good.

Hours before the meeting with Marsha, detectives did find a body in the same area of the desert after hikers had called them, telling them that they found another set of remains. At that point, the body already had serious decomposition, and investigators needed to know more information to make a positive ID. "Mid-Sunday, we went downtown to the police station."

And they had the clothes laid out with an open window, you know, and we said, now there's going to be an odor. So we started looking. One thing I saw that told me

for sure was the socks. Because Desi had a way of wearing her socks where she turned the socks all the way down so that there was a roll at the ankle and the socks were already were rolled down at the ankle. And then my oldest daughter, of course, she recognized the bra. She said, yeah, that's my bra. I gave her hand-me-downs, of course.

And the thing about Desi, you know how the skull has like, you know, it's sewn together at different points. Instead of having just the three pieces, she had four. And that's what the x-ray showed because the skull they found had the exact same configuration.

You know, making death notifications to families are difficult enough, but having them have to come to the ME's office and identify remains takes it to a whole other level. I drove home, me and Sunday drove home. I'm like three blocks from our house, sitting at a traffic light, and I wake up thinking, what?

And the way she describes driving home and calling her then-husband, who she describes as her rock, walking in the door, and that is when she lets herself collapse into his arms. And her daughter Sunday and husband, the three of them,

They are each other's literal strength. And that, again, is something we all should not look away from because it's what so many people unfortunately have to go through in cases like this. And it speaks to that, the incredible pain that is going on within her as she is driving this investigation forward. At her funeral, when I kissed her casket, I told her I will find her.

The people or person who did this, and I will bring them to justice. That was a promise I made to her. Now was game time. Who was the suspect? How are these cases connected? Who was responsible for these multiple murders? This is a serial killer. This is a predator. You know, you got a big job on your hands here, guys. Big job.

A town must have been gripped in fear because the killer was still on the loose and everybody wanted answers. The family wanted answers. I'm sure detectives wanted answers, but the media is going to be all over this story to try to obviously bring to light any issues that may have come up during this investigation. But another factor occurs when you get this kind of media coverage is people call in and people give tips.

One of them caught their attention right away. A call from a young woman. She was a sex worker. She said that one of her johns that she was with had actually taken her out to a desert right near that grave site that she had just heard about on the news and that he pulled out a knife and he had threatened her before she'd been able to get away and she fled on foot.

Now, another sex worker some weeks before had come in and said she had been raped and that she had been left out in the desert also. And she described someone very similar. And they both described the person with multiple tattoos that were very distinctive. And she told him who it was. His name was David Wood. And one of the sex workers had said that he came out and told her his name. But he called himself Skeeter, a nickname.

He had a history of violence against women. When he was 19, he was arrested for the attempted rape of a 12-year-old girl. He pled guilty in court, took a reduced charge for indecency to a minor, and only spent three years in prison. He was paroled in 1980. But four months later, after he got out, he raped another 13-year-old stranger and her 19-year-old friend.

So that second case he went to prison for, 20 years was that term on each charge. But he was paroled again in January, this time 1987. So we know now we have a sexual offender who likes young girls. And where did he move to? He moved in with his father to Northeast El Paso. The very next month, the girls began to disappear. We didn't know there was a sex offender released in our midst.

Like three blocks from my house. That's when I first found out he could be the one. And at first, all they charged him with was the rape of a prostitute. And they gave him 50 years. And I had a priest tell me, you don't get 50 years for raping a nun.

I mean, that number itself. So March 1988, Wood goes away for 50 years. Not too many rape cases, no matter how brutal, end up with a sentence of 50 years. I think there were behind the scenes starting to connect the dots between Wood and the other missing girls. And I believe they were sending a message for sure that this was not over.

All of a sudden, she now has a new investigator and is the investigator's sign to all these missing girls because they know they've got a serial killer on their hands. They certainly suspect it. And now they start to put the pieces together, some of which they had before and some which they're reconnecting or connecting. And they're like,

And you really start to get that picture of Desiree's last night. They do know that at 9.30 on the night of her disappearance, a half hour before she was supposed to be home, she was at a Circle K, which was less than a few blocks from her home. A witness came forward. David Wood was in the store watching. And when they left, he followed them out.

Well, when he saw him split up, he went to Desi. He said, hey, you want to ride home? And it wasn't like he was a stranger because he always hung around at the park, I mean, right down the street from us. And so she said, sure. Because her other girlfriend turned around to say goodbye one more time and saw her getting into his truck. And that was the last time anyone saw her.

So now all the dominoes are starting to fall one by one by one. This is all making sense. And it leads them to that place that had taken them so long to get to before that. But witnesses also testified they saw Woods riding a motorcycle with Karen Baker several months before she died. So we're now connecting him to a second case, a second visual ID of putting Karen

And we said that there was more girls that went missing. Six bodies were ultimately recovered within a three-quarter of a mile radius, all within close proximity to each other in that northeast section of the El Paso desert.

They were buried on what's called the electric line because there's a lot of electric poles that go right down there and it's a dirt street. His father, however, worked for the electric company and used to take him out there when he was doing jobs. So he knew that that was a pretty desolated area.

So another thread of this investigation unfolds through a jailhouse snitch, someone who was housed with Woods at the very time he was serving his time in jail for sexual assault. Randy Wells, the cellmate, said that Woods told him he was responsible for these murders, that he would lure each girl into his pickup truck and offer them drugs, drive them out to the desert, tie them to his truck, and then dig a grave. And then a second person will come forward with a similar story.

And interestingly, neither of these guys wanted anything. Now, we know, Scott, that jailhouse informants almost always do it because they want to help themselves. And many of them, they're not credible, but some of them are. And for those, they normally give that information in an effort to help themselves. But neither of these guys asked for a thing. Yeah.

You know, even within prison, there's a hierarchy of what's acceptable and what's not. And sexual assault, sexual predators, and killing girls, young women, is a big no-no, even amongst the prison class. And they said they found this guy so despicable that they would do anything they can to help, which included testify at his trial. Scott, it was actually when I was talking to you earlier that you reminded me about a really interesting piece of evidence they had with respect to her case. When they went through the first assault in the desert with the first victim...

She described the event itself. Once they got to the location, he forced her out of the vehicle at knife point.

And he carried a large orange blanket to the scene of where the rape occurred. And after the rape, he was startled by something in the desert. He jumped up, grabbed this orange blanket, and fled in his vehicle. And eventually, the victim, being left out in the desert after being violently raped, the victim was able to flag down a passing car and get to safety.

Fibers from that orange blanket were found where Desiree was unearthed in the desert. And the pieces are all just falling perfectly into place. And after he was arrested in connection with six of the eight young women that went missing, in July of 1990, an El Paso County grand jury indicted Woods for the murder of six young women. But let's go sideways for a moment, Scott, because...

I'm always fascinated by the psychology of people like this. And not because I care about him, I don't. But I always wonder, is there anything you can do before they commit these crimes to stop someone like him? And with this, like, there's this really interesting FBI report that was done in the early 2000s. It talks about the psychology of serial killers. And it says that they all have three things in common in picking their victims. Because we all know they have different types and everything else, but three things are always in common. And that you start to look at

availability, vulnerability, and desirability. And it's really an interesting way to look at it, that when you look about the availability, which talks about the circumstances or lifestyle, well, let's look here. You had the Desiree, who was kind of the anomaly, a girl just leaving a middle school party, but you also had people like sex workers and women that were out angry, you know, like after having a fight that...

The circumstances of that night led to them making easy targets, their vulnerability. You know, a person who a young woman that's walking alone as opposed to maybe with a huge dog is much more vulnerable. And then you have that desirability factor. You know, what is it that made these women presumably if he committed these crimes at that point, he's just indicted vulnerable.

And that's really subjective, but it's a really interesting thing because, Scott, I mean, we talk about these serial killers and the only thing we know about them is that they have an insatiable appetite to kill and their motive is just that, whatever pleasure that they gain from the killing. But I always wonder, if you peel back that onion a bit, is there any way that they can be found out before it gets to this level? And I don't have an answer. Nor do I, I think. It's a great question and I think it's finding...

and taking that innocence away, as they often do when they take random victims off the street just for their own pleasure. And I hate to try to put my mind in their mind, Anastasia, because it's such a twisted position to be in. There is psychology about that. I just think it's pure evil. Want to connect with more family and friends and their native language isn't English?

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Hi, I'm Ashley Flowers, creator and host of the number one true crime podcast, Crime Junkie. Every Monday, me and my best friend Britt break down a new case, but not in the way you've heard before, and not the cases you've heard before. You'll hear stories on Crime Junkie that haven't been told anywhere else. I'll tell you what you can do to help victims and their families get justice.

Join us for new episodes of Crime Junkie every Monday, already waiting for you by searching for Crime Junkie wherever you listen to podcasts. There are tremendous challenges ahead for this trial. All of the press coverage, and you know as better than anybody, it comes into the courtroom, how that affects the decision of venue.

Does it make a difference that a case like this gets so much press coverage? Can a defendant who deserves a fair trial get a fair trial in this town based on that coverage? How do you go about determining that, Anasika? Well, it's up to the judge to ask the jurors, you know, have you heard about this case, which is okay because they're going to have heard about high-profile cases. But more importantly, can you be fair? Because everybody, no matter what they're accused of doing, deserves a fair trial. And if...

They start to feel that there just isn't going to be that level of fairness because of the impact on this community. They move it. And that's exactly what they did here. They moved this trial from El Paso to Dallas. And we think about that. Remember, it's Texas. And that was a difference of 642 miles. I was there every single day.

And she talks about her rock, the man who became her husband. That man actually sold his house so Marsha could have the money to stay in a hotel in Dallas every night of that trial. And that speaks to me of the dedication not only of her, but that incredible support she had behind her. I was there so long sitting outside the courtroom, okay? I had people from the courthouse coming up

and asking me, are you the bailiff? But the first pretrial, I'll sit there, front row center. I always do front row center. They're going to have to look at me one way or the other. And they walk him in, turns around, looks at me, and he blows me a kiss. And the reporter goes, did he just blow you a kiss? I said, I don't give a damn what he just did. I want to listen to what he did do.

Marsha got her opportunity, her day in court for justice for Desi, along with five other families. On November 10th, 1992, Woods was convicted of serial murder and he was sentenced to death. There's a story of what a juror said to Marsha after the case. The jury told Robert, they said, the first time through this whole trial that we saw her smile.

To her, the significance was she could look at that man who was just convicted and say, you're never going to be able to do this to anybody again. Now, that conviction came in 1992, that same year David Wood was sentenced to death.

He was supposed to die by lethal injection sometime later that year, but it didn't happen. It was stayed. And you know what? 33 years later, he still sits on death row. Their appeal process is still going on. And she talks about it. And having had these cases that, you know, I tried them sometimes decades ago, and I know the appeals that are still going on for all different reasons.

And she says, you know what? I understand the court system. I believe that I got justice with that verdict. I understand why these appeals are still going on. But do they not remember about the victim? Don't we get justice too? And how is this justice for us that 33 years later, everyone's thinking about that person who we know committed the crime,

But I can't ever sit down and grieve my daughter because I still need to keep fighting to make sure that this man is held accountable because of the evidence they proved in that courtroom. You know, I still haven't had the chance to grieve for Desi.

Our system, you know, for all its problems, anyone that knows me knows this, I'm a big believer in it that overall it works well. Overall, the men and women that are in all these professions are doing it for the best reasons. But someone that is often left roadside in all of this is the family of the victim. And they really kind of get lost in all of it and forgotten while the rest of the court proceedings go on. I am fighting to prevent that man...

from killing young girls. That's my goal. I will never give up on deserts. Another incredible thing that I learned about Marsha is that she helped the process change in El Paso to the way missing children

would be no longer labeled as runaways. And what that means is they wouldn't be treated differently by the system. But now this one woman in her quest to get answers for all the mothers and families out there for these girls, they were no longer going to be able to check a box whether it was a runaway or not. Missing is missing, and it requires, it deserved an investigation. They have to investigate it as a missing person. I don't care what age.

And that is one thing I am proud of. Things are taken a lot more seriously today than they were 10 years ago and obviously 20 or 30 years ago. And I do believe it is saving lives. And while we talked about Desiree's case primarily today, there are many young women that went missing at that same time in El Paso. But let's not just call them by victims. Let's use their names.

Marjorie Knox, who was 14 years old, missing that February. Melissa Lahn is 13, missing in March. Desiree Wheatley, you know, in June. Karen Baker, 20 years old. Cheryl Vasquez, 19, went missing in June. Later the next month, Angela Frausto, 17. Maria Cascio, the first body found, she was only 24. And Dawn Smith, a young 14 years old, went missing later that same month in August. All victims.

All unnecessary, taken in the hands of someone who I still feel is just pure evil. Tune in next Wednesday when we'll dissect another new case on Anatomy of Murder. Anatomy of Murder is an AudioChuck original, a Weinberger Media and Forseti Media production. Sumit David is executive producer.

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