The Case for Kamala Harris
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Hey, Fever Dreamers. This is a special episode of the American Fever Dream podcast, which will feel a little different than our normal content. And that's partly because we are once again finding ourselves in the so-called unprecedented times. It's no secret. Boo.

It's no secret that a movement to replace Biden as the presidential nominee has been brewing since, well, since he was elected the first time. Remember, he did promise us that he would be a one-term president and at that time noted that he looked forward to handing over the reins of power to presumably his vice president, Kamala Harris.

Today, we will be analyzing the case for Kamala. We want to make it clear, though, the case for Kamala is not trying to convince you to abandon Joe Biden, nor is it trying to pour gasoline on the we should replace Biden fires that is being set by some of what did Biden call them? Oh, yes. The elitist Democratic bedwetters and self-important podcast hosts.

We don't want to do that so much as we want to assure you that Kamala is our greatest asset and defense against Donald Trump as vice president or as president. Yeah. I mean, dare I say that the case for Kamala has already been made and you've already elected her? That's very true. That's what I find most interesting about the hand-wringing

around Kamala and what makes me sort of just assume it's just our natural bias towards sexism and racism. But it's interesting how people are just sort of going straight to

Is she electable? You've already elected her. The Democrats do not need to go through the dangerous trauma of a brokered convention or an attempt at a primary by like next Tuesday because we already voted for our nominee. The nominee is Joe Biden and his vice presidential nominee is Kamala Harris. And we should be very proud of ourselves for making a great choice. Kamala Harris is in people's minds unbeatable.

I have to assume somewhat baked in as a potential president because Biden was old in 2020. He's been old for a while. And I feel like I have to assume that that's already sort of understood by people that she could be the president, that she's one heartbeat away, whether he was 79 or 80 or 81 and a

Aside from Biden's debate performance, she's already been part of his ticket. People were excited about her and she was a key part of the 2020 campaign. One thing that I think people sort of lose sight of is that the vice president is not a job that's supposed to be very out there.

You are a surrogate for the president's agenda. You are not supposed to be, this isn't a tabloid where you're trying to outshine your best friend. You know, you, the sidekick is not trying to get more attention. It's about falling apart.

in line with what the, you serve at the pleasure of the president. And it is not an easy job in an administration when there's a lot of blame being passed around. You're probably not going to be the superstar in everyone's minds. You're taking the hits of the administration and that is partly why you're there.

You know, and she was also put in charge of something very hard, immigration, sort of an intractable problem. But the argument for her competence is made by virtue of the fact that she was already there. Just by virtue of the fact that she was elected mayor of San Francisco, attorney general of California, senator of California. She's obviously a very well...

well-liked, respected, and competent person. And Biden chose her. So subconsciously, consciously, in a fever dream, we have all known that President Harris was not only possible, but decently likely. We signed off on it.

And in this election cycle, she was chosen again as designated survivor alongside Biden. And together they have already raised $91 million in donations. I do want to emphasize together because while it's definitely fun to text your friends who you think would be a fun new Democratic ticket.

only Kamala as the nominee has access to that $91 million war trust should Biden actually decide to cede the nomination. And I want to emphasize again, this is Biden's decision. I don't believe he should be pushed out. And ego-wise, the more you try to push a stubborn old ox like Biden, the more likely you are to get kicked in the teeth. Yeah. Have you ever tried to convince someone who is aging that they're aging? That never goes well.

He will have to decide from a place of strength and stability that's what's best for the good of the nation is to hand the reins over if that is what he decides at all. And he's only going to do that if he is a little more than sure that Kamala can win. Biden must decide for himself not just can he make it to November 6th, 2024, but if he believes himself truly capable of making it to January 19th, 2028. He

He has to decide what is best for this country, his legacy, his family, and his right to, like George Washington said in his farewell address, sit under his own vine and fig tree. Biden deserves, after 45 years of public service, the right to reflect upon the accomplishments of that public service.

And I personally have trusted Biden's leadership so far and will continue to defer to the president we elected last time for how we're going to win this time. Yeah. To your point about Biden's leadership and his his legacy, I trust Biden's leadership in choosing her as the vice president. And I hope that he trusts himself.

in choosing her as his successor, because even if he did have a second term, she would still have been a very likely successor behind him. I mean,

That's sort of what you're learning on the vice presidential job, how to be an executive and all that goes into that. Well, that's why we're making the case for Kamala today and not the case for Gavin Newsom. Right. I think having them bring in, like we said, these dreamy tickets that we text our friends about is deeply offensive to Biden and would certainly be seen as some sort of like interloping or or nonsense kind of coup almost. Right.

I find it a little insulting to him, who everyone wants to still run, as well as to the vice president to suggest that there should be another pick. It's not that wild to me to throw around vice presidential options for her, but it just shows that they're not doing that. So it's akin to questioning his judgment and not really showing faith in the Democratic bench that he himself has chosen. And there's no need to call his leadership into question by doing that.

especially if you want his potential new endorsement to come from a place of strength. So I do wonder why people aren't just saying, if Biden decides to step aside, Kamala would make a great president. And that should really be, that's what the Republicans would be doing if they were, they got their talking points that morning. That's what we're here to do today. Yeah. But here's the other piece.

I honestly hear a lot of people trying to sort of counter the naysayers about her, that she would be a bad candidate. So a lot of the rhetoric is sort of like starting on that assumption.

as in here's why she won't be that bad. But I think that we are in the first election ever, unprecedented times abound, that these conventional perspectives of electoral politics are ultimately stopping people, especially people who are making campaign decisions at the top of these chains in many cases, from seeing the potential in how great a candidate she could actually be, especially given how unprecedented the...

this election is and how strange these times are. So I have some numbers that I think would be helpful. Vice President Harris exceeds Biden's favorability among Black and Latino voters and with the youth vote.

Clearly, those are all very important constituencies. A Times-Siena poll in February found that the vice president is nearly 10 points ahead of Biden with black voters. She's 15 points up with Latino voters, 20 points up with young voters specifically. These are massive advantages in voting blocks that the Democratic candidate needs in any election. And this isn't even, in my view, counting the people who they don't believe will vote at all.

Because our elections are so low in turnout, there's no model for an election where 90% of people turn out because it's never even come close to that. So these models don't even account for the people they don't think will be voters. Like, no chance. They're only thinking about these slivers of voters.

Maybe they voted once or twice. And it also doesn't factor in the fact that Trump has been gaining some favorability with these demographics. So she can take Trump head on when it comes to Black, Latino, and youth vote. And at the same time, Biden is hemorrhaging support from the Black, Latino, and youth vote. So...

It's a little tricky, but I think the numbers don't lie. And Harris's favorability ratings have room to grow should she be put more front-facing on the ticket. I want you to just take a second to imagine how unhinged Donald Trump will act against Kamala Harris and how that only makes her look much more stable, much more reliable, much more comfortable with her.

There's so much room for her brand to grow and evolve if they were to put her more front-facing and actually spend time educating voters about her record or trying to capture previously disengaged voters. Because right now, this race is hinging on the alienated, unenthusiastic voters, people who probably are just maybe not going to vote if they're busy that day. They're called the double haters in political speak.

because they both dislike President Biden and Trump and they want an alternative choice. So some polls put the size of this group at 25% nationally or maybe 30% among inconsistent voters who are likely to decide the election in key battleground states. For these people, vote choice is driven by anti-enthusiasm for these, frankly, two old white guys who are doing a rematch and are

argued about their golf scores in primetime. They are more likely to be young, Hispanic or black and women in urban and suburban areas. The kind of votes that the Republican party is looking to suppress, but also the kind of voter profile that Kamala Harris is gaining appeal with because she is one of them. They can see themselves in her. She can see themselves in, they can see their stories in her story. And I think that's why, um,

we are underestimating the potential for the turnout because this can be an election where people who have never thought of voting because they don't think those two white guys, those options are going to do much for us. So my one question, and ultimately I think this is a big opportunity, is that people don't know how to box her ideologically. Some people say she can't win the moderates because she's too radical, while the other line of thinking is actually that she is a cop, so she can't win progressives.

Based on my personal reading of her career, I perceive her actions as tending towards quite progressive. She is also in California. So just by virtue of that fact, going to be more progressive policy wise. She is particularly strong on LGBTQ rights, but she is also hardly a radical given her role as a prosecutor.

And she really does seem to have gotten into that line of work not to put black people in jail, but to actually prosecute injustice. So I think there's a lot that can be done with everything about Madame Vice President. But she's a cop, Sammy. This is the loudest comment that I see parroted when it comes to embracing Kamala, is the fact that she was a prosecutor and attorney general in California. So I'm going to offer you this. She's a prosecutor who would be going up against a convicted felon.

She is a woman fighting against the man who ended Roe v. Wade. A majority of voters see Kamala as mentally fit, level-headed, and prepared, which is a stark contrast to Trump and even President Biden lately. And her legal background in this case serves us.

So I want to read you a passage now from Mehdi Hassan's op-ed in The Guardian regarding Kamala's history on law enforcement. Mehdi Hassan, who admittedly is not a fan of Kamala Harris and has said that he is horrified and very turned off by the K-high of her fans and has run afoul of them many times. But this is what he had to say. You can't judge an artist by their stands, as we all know. Well, this is what Mehdi Hassan had to say. And I'm bringing this up because this is a person who is not, you know,

A Biden-Harris stand. Here's what he said. Who do you want standing on that stage in the second debate in September rebutting Trump's lies, bigotry, and nonsense? The woman who went viral when she grilled Bill Barr and Brett Kavanaugh at the Senate Judiciary Committee or the man who went viral for saying he'd beat Medicare?

Who is more likely to highlight Trump's deeply unpopular stance on abortion? A female candidate who has spent months hampering Trump on abortion and made a historic visit to a Planned Parenthood clinic? Or a male candidate who couldn't answer a simple question on abortion rights without going off on a weird, incoherent tangent about a migrant murderer?

Who is going to bring more energy to the democratic presidential campaign? A vice president who recently urged an audience of young voters to kick that fucking door down or a president who's only deeply engaged between 10 AM and 4 PM. Now those were his thoughts.

I am going to say I giggled just a little bit, but not untrue. And it speaks to this point of, you know, Americans vote for the person that they think projects strength and coolness. And Kamala does that in spades. And in this particular fight we're in, a former prosecutor up against a convicted felon. I mean, the fanfic, you can't write something as good as that. Totally. It also sort of presupposes that

People can't get into government law for the right reasons when they can. Right.

And not everybody who, first of all, she's not literally a cop. She was never literally a cop. She's just in law enforcement as a prosecutor, right? Right. People have to prosecute. Someone prosecuted Bernie Madoff. Somebody prosecuted Jeffrey Epstein after someone prosecuted him poorly. The other thing with her that I'll hear from the trans community is that she's a TERF. And I want to just go on the record here to say-

That is not accurate and is a talking point that is sort of been placed partly by the right wing, partly by the hard left to say that Kamala Harris at one point in her career as attorney general in the state of California did not intervene quickly enough when a trans woman was arrested and placed in a male prison.

She was actually the person to go ahead and turn around those laws and ensure that that would never happen again and has taken responsibility for that as Attorney General of California, but also said, you know, when you're overseeing the whole state, sometimes those cases don't make their way to you in the amount of time that they should have. It was wrong. I'm sorry. I course corrected and I left behind a legacy where that won't happen again. So to just sort of blow that she's a turf point out, I want to just catch people up because oftentimes people,

You don't hear what the follow through was after you hear the sensational horrible thing. Right. Especially because the sensational horrible thing is a function of the system. Right. So that's that's Kamala is a cop. She was never actually a law enforcement officer. She was a prosecutor and she prosecuted incredible things like the gay panic defense to ensure that people couldn't say they killed somebody or beat him up just because they were gay. She has been an ally since before it was popular to be an ally.

Sammy, I got a question for you because you wrote a book about democracy. The next thing that people are saying, you know, we're talking now about the case about Kamala Harris putting her more forward, both as the vice president or if Biden decides as the Democratic candidate. But some folks are like, no, I want to see a brokered convention or a contested convention. Can you just tell folks at home a little bit about what that would be like?

Yeah. So with all due respect to democracy and people voting for their preferred candidate, personally, I think the idea of a brokerage convention in this situation would be absolutely insane. Well, especially because her name was on the ticket already. I could see if we were bringing in totally new people, people might feel like they didn't get heard or something, but she was on the ticket.

Right. I mean, that is number one. Again, it is if you voted for Biden, it's sort of like taking advantage of the situation to try to not have it be her. So that's I mean, that's number one elect from an electoral standpoint. Right.

Now we have a historical standpoint. Last time there was a brokered convention in 1968 and Lyndon Johnson resigned so that Hubert Humphrey, Hubert Humphrey ended up being the candidate. There was a brokered convention and Hubert Humphrey lost by 110 points to Richard Nixon.

Oh, no. Not a good sign. No. Just especially given Richard Nixon. This would be an open season for foreign interference and propaganda and online interference. Ultimately, that would be deeply hurtful for the entire party, the entire country, and of course, whoever the eventual candidate is. Okay. At the brokered convention, it's not even like we get to redo the primary because there's not enough time.

And it's that delegates would vote for who the president would be. And they'd be voting amongst people like maybe Kamala Harris would go into the brokered convention, which we could just kind of avoid if Biden were to step aside. But it would be like Marianne Williamson. It wouldn't be like RFK wouldn't have a chance. It would be like rando people from the Democratic Party because any of the governors worth their salt have already said that they're just not going to play that game right now.

Yeah, it's technically, logistically, it's a bad idea. It's also a bad idea that the Biden-Harris ticket has raised $91 million. No one else but Kamala Harris can get those donations. No other candidate would then, even if they were the nominee, they would not have the time and ability to raise money between August or the end of August and November, although early voting starts October 15th. So you really need to have your

donation fund secure through October, but you really need it sooner because they can secure ad buys. They can hire field officers. They can hire volunteers, print more information. There's just so much more they can do with more money earlier. To interrupt this and start with a new candidate who has zero money,

on the docket, like people would literally starve. Like they wouldn't be able to pay them until they re-raised money. Yeah. That's crazy. And this, I mean, just there are many false flaws with the primary and convention system, but Democratic voters who voted for Biden in the primary, basically they would be, because Biden is the winner, those are his delegates. He picks who those people are. So those people would then get to vote for this next new candidate.

People who voted for Biden in the primary didn't have a chance to scrutinize the politics, identities, general affiliations of Biden's delegates. And the voters who elected Biden's delegates to be allowed to make this choice to formally give him the nomination have not consented to those people making a different choice.

At this point in the nomination process, she is the only person who those voters have consented to should Biden withdraw or anything else. So you can't just entrust the nomination to these random delegates, no offense. That would be high risk. And it just delays the whole – first of all, you lose a month and a half to campaigning, throws the entire campaign infrastructure into disarray. Right.

basically ensures that all the media is talking about is who is going to be the democratic nominee, who is going to be part of this coalition instead of Donald Trump and everything the Supreme Court is doing to make him essentially a king. It also gives third party candidates like RFK Jr. the chance to continue to spread lies, which will enable them to shave some support off of the democratic nominee and take undecided, uncommitted and independent votes.

Oh, okay. Deep breath right there. I want to move on to talk about Kamala's reputation now because so many people have also said to me, well, she sucks. And I'm like, how do you, why do you think that she sucks?

But anybody I've ever known who has met her in person is like, wow, I wish that that woman that I met in the room could come through on TV. Some people come through really good on TV and some people don't. And I don't care how she comes through on TV. I care how she acts in person. And this person who has interviewed her and met her, I think like three times now, she is a steady level, stable, capable, active listener, quickie.

Quick with the recall, fact-based person. And she is really nice. She's nice in person. You interview her and then afterwards she'll give you a secret about how she makes her chicken and stuff at home. So she does have a nice personality. She's just a woman who's been in politics and law for her entire life. And the media thinks like, oh, but I want to hug you and ask you about your hair. And she's like, no.

Yeah, it's a tough shake to be the vice president, really is. And especially to be the first Black woman vice president. With her reputation, I think it's been sidelined by things like shoddy daytime talk show interviews who ask her to be like Mamala of the country.

I hated that. Cheap criticism about her laugh. People don't like her laugh. And a few political gaffes where she undoubtedly earned some criticism, like when her immigration policy was clipped down to do not come. Or when she said, you think you fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all that has come before you. A quote that became a viral TikTok sound for months. One day, everyone's going to be like, actually, that's kind of iconic. It was iconic. I mean, if you really think about it, it made sense.

Those things aside, I think her meme-ability or her viral ability on social media is an advantage.

because the social media caucus, if we want to call them that, has given her a ton of name recognition. People know who she is. They've seen her, whether it was through a meme or through a viral sound, they know exactly the name Kamala Harris and that she was the vice president. And to the average voter who doesn't think about politics the way that we do, they see the name and they're like, oh, I think I saw her and I liked her quote. I had fun with that. So just on a very, very, very shallow level, I think that the social media caucus, that kind of stuff benefits her.

And the second thing is her stance and messaging on Israel-Palestine, the elephant in the room, is far better than Biden's has been to this point. So by putting her more front-facing, I think we allow the social media voter, the person who's been inundated with all things Gaza for the last, you know, since October, to see a different voice at the helm or to see somebody who has been more on their side.

In the primaries, more than 500,000 people voted uncommitted as a form of protest against Biden's self-described ironclad support for Netanyahu's government and the war cabinet strategy of Israel. Biden only won the election in 2020 by 44,000 votes. So even having a fraction of these 500,000 voters that protest voted, they specifically said, I am uncommitted to try and send a message to the administration, getting any fraction of those votes

is going to give a Democratic candidate a chance to tip the scales. Harris has called for more humanitarian aid to Palestinians. It was leaked that the Biden office seek to tamp down her calls for ceasefire. Harris gives us an opportunity to restart sentiments towards the Democratic administration as it relates to managing Gaza if she's the candidate.

And even if she's not, if she's just more front facing, perhaps she can help shape and lead what the next four years of the Biden-Harris policy in the Middle East would be. And I think that makes a huge difference to a lot of young voters. Yeah. And again, this gets back to her message and a more refreshing message. Even if the policy is in flux, as it clearly is, she...

has a unique way of communicating. If she's sort of leading the way that the American people are understanding America's stance on this, that I think she's very effective at making a point. That's what being a cop lets you do. That's the benefit of it. She's a good talker, that prosecutor Harris. Yeah. And I think, you know, Americans have very short memories and

And it really is interesting how people sort of only remember like the past, what she's done as vice president and only in the context of that. And I think they forget, or maybe they weren't as aware of her at the time of what a leader she was when she was in state government and

And I think we can kind of see what a President Harris would be like. Right, whether now or in the future, what she would look like. So maybe take us down memory lane, Sammy. What's she done? Yeah, so I mean, one of the most interesting things about her that I think maybe people don't really know as part of her, quote, brand is how much she has been on the forefront of LGBTQ rights and how much she has been an ally. I have to emphasize before this was

in the Democratic Party. She wrote the book on how to defeat the gay panic defense. She worked arduously to get gay marriage passed in California. And she is expressly for everyone's right to choose their healthcare path, not just a woman's right to choose, though she is obviously very strong on that.

but also trans people, veterans who need to use vouchers to be seen at private hospitals. And of course, anyone who is seeking reproductive health care and their families. Also on the gay front, she gave me this clack van. Oh my God. That is so big. It's huge. It has the vice president's seal on it. You have to frame that. You got to frame that. I cherish it. I cherish it. You got to frame that. Here's the thing. This is how much she's for the gays.

The White House has a pride party, but the vice president has her own pride party at the vice president's residence. It's a pool party. It's very much the gay mafia. There definitely will not be a pride party at the vice president's or any house. No, and what's so great about it is –

it gives you the space to, to like, I got to meet Mr. Obergefell, right. And tell him how important it was to me and how all, and he didn't know it at the time that he was getting married, but I was showing me a ring. I did. I took a picture with him with the ring in it. I was so cheesy. He, and then I cried so hard and he was like,

I was like, you just don't know what you meant to me as a kid. Like you have no idea. All I wanted in my life was to be loved and to get married. And there I am like at the vice president's pool crying to Mr. Obergefell as Billy Porter's walking by getting ready to do like a song or something. She's a ride or die for the gays. This is a person who authentically is a part of the community. It's stuff like that where you're like,

So much of politics is staged. But when you have this moment of authenticity where it's not like she was like out on the pool deck, she just like handed over her house and was like, Kiki, talk to each other, organize. I want to create a space for you and then send you home with a clack fan.

That to me matters. And she doesn't just do it for the gays. She's also held women's summits. She's invited the Black Caucus to her house. She does Diwali. There's so much. A Hanukkah party that I attended. See? It's lovely. It's those things when people say she's not likable. I'm like, she is though. She's just not a narcissistic kind of like showy about it. Well, I think when people say she's not likable, they're basing it on the

the clips they've seen of her that go viral, which are of not flattering moments, which she's in politics. So half the country is going to try to make that go viral, but that's not who she is. And also she has been elected in the,

most populous state of America. So she's obviously impressed a few people and convinced them that she's pretty likable and pretty competent. She was elected as a senator in California, which is a very, very strong right wing. You're absolutely right. And so we know that she's passed laws, which is of course the president's job and the vice president's job to set policy and deal with things. So

Refresh us on what she did as a senator. Yeah. So when she was in Congress as a senator, she advocated for health care reform to drive down costs and break up insurance companies price gouging. She supported the federal descheduling of cannabis. She voted for the DREAM Act to create a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. And she fought for strict gun control laws, though was thwarted, as well as for progressive tax reform.

And I think we can also tell a little bit about what an administration would look like. It would look much like President Biden's administration or what he would have had planned for a second term. You can get a sense of it from the current Biden-Harris cabinet, where Pete Buttigieg, Deb Haaland, Admiral Levine, and many of his other cabinet members are almost 100% guaranteed to stay the course, to provide consistency in the second term, and continue with the administration. Or to put it in Joe's words, finish the job.

So to echo the hardcore Democrats, we are voting for an administration, a cabinet, not just one candidate. We're also voting for a future. I want to push at the end here just a little further into Kamala for president dreamland, because like I said in my threads, I don't care if Joe Biden is old. I'm always been voting for Kamala Harris. That's just I've been a stand for her for a long time, though. You know, it's the gay in me.

But to talk a little bit about Kamala, should she become president now or in the future or ever, we have to talk about putting her front facing at the bare minimum. Again, it is President Biden's decision, and I do trust his decisions to decide, am I going to step away now? What am I going to do? But we have less than four months to win. If we can unite behind Harris in July, we have an extra month for the party unity and message unity to

That's one month where we can keep the media focused on Donald Trump, Project 2025, and MAGA extremism instead of waiting in dread for the next Biden misstep or talking about Democrats fighting it out to win the delegate count at a contested convention. We don't have time. And that's something that hardcore, like we said, Biden-only Democrats will say is we don't have time to change. We don't have time to change. We have time to put Kamala Harris more forward and

Consolidation around Vice President Harris will not guarantee us a victory in November. No option is free of risk at this point. But embracing the K-Hive and seeing her as the pillar of strength and style she is and has always been, putting her in the spotlight and letting her lead in a more meaningful way, I think is our clearest path to a win in November. And again, you already chose her. You chose her. We already picked her.

there's a reason why he selected Kamala Harris again to be his running mate. Remind me, Sammy, why Donald Trump doesn't have a vice president at this point. Because he wanted to kill his last one. And so only a few select sycophants are willing to even throw their hats in the ring.

We are dropping this emergency episode, not because we're in an emergency. And I really do want everybody to like calm down and to Joe's point, not be a bedwetting self-important podcaster. He wasn't talking about us. We know who he was talking about, but we're not going to say it, but we are going to giggle to ourselves. We admit we did this podcast because we're addicted to working. Correct. And because we care so much about the fact that my DMs are full, Sammy, as I know our email has been as well, with people who are just concerned.

And so what we wanted to do today is set the record straight on Vice President Harris, talk about the benefits of having her be more front-facing, giving her more spotlight, and the fact that all the things that we have loved about her to this point, there is so much more of that that has been kind of like kept behind the curtain because it is the role of the vice president to be an ensemble member and not necessarily the star of the show.

I want to say one more time with my full chest, I trust the decision of the president of the United States, Joe Biden, to make the right choice for us. If Joe Biden comes out and says, you know what, it's me,

that I'm going to do what I've always done, right? We're going to continue to support that ticket because it is about the administration and not about the personality at the top of the ticket. But I want to see Kamala Harris put more forward, given the flowers she deserved and trusted because this idea that we're going to replace Kamala Harris with a white female governor from some state across the nation is not only inherently racist, it's foolish, right?

Her numbers don't lie. Kamala Harris has the numbers when it comes to the Black, Latino, and youth vote. And that is an important block. And it's something that we can't afford to dismiss. The voters chose Kamala Harris. They chose her. It's that simple. Regular people will be excited. 18 to 24-year-olds feel unheard. And so they're rebelling by saying, I'm not going to vote, or I'm not going to participate. What's up there for me? And all this while, we've been trying to get them excited about the down-ballot candidate

where they are kind of seeing some representation. I think anybody who makes a move right now and shows that they're listening to the youth vote or the black vote or to the Latina vote or to the woman vote is the one that's going to win this. And I think any way that we put Kamala Harris more front facing and give her the spotlight she deserves shows strength in this party. The idea that people are like, I don't want to put her forward. Well, then you shouldn't have had her as vice president. Either you made a good judgment on the ticket, which is the Biden-Harris ticket,

or you didn't, right? And to me, I voted with my full chest for Biden-Harris. It was really for Harris. And I will do the exact same thing this time. Amen, amen. That's it for us. We hope that you're feeling a little bit better. We hope that you have a better understanding of just the stuff that Kamala has done and the person that she is. We'll continue to bring you more as it happens. I mean, by the time we release this, who knows? We could be in a whole other situation. We don't know what's going on. We're holding onto democracy for dear life.

Until next time, I'm Vita Speer. I'm Sammy Sage. And this is American Fever Dream. American Fever Dream is hosted by Vita Speer and Sammy Sage. The show is produced by Rebecca Sous-McCatt, Jorge Morales-Picot, and Rebecca Steinberg. Editing by Rebecca Sous-McCatt. Social media by Bridget Schwartz. And be sure to follow Betches News on Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok.