John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024

2024/10/1

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Jeffrey Sachs：美国存在一个非官方的‘深层政府’或‘建制派’，其成员长期在不同政府部门任职，并对美国的外交政策拥有不成比例的影响力。他们追求的是维护美国全球霸权，而非两党政治纲领中所宣称的理想主义目标。他们对美国对俄政策、北约扩张和在中东的军事干预负有责任。 John Mearsheimer：美国两党在对外政策上基本没有区别，都追求维护美国的全球霸权。虽然特朗普试图挑战‘深层政府’，但他最终失败了。美国的外交政策目标是最大化美国的全球权力，这导致了与其他大国的冲突和紧张关系。美国的外交政策是基于权力而非理想主义，这使得美国经常与独裁政权合作，并以虚假的理由发动战争。 John Mearsheimer：美国的外交政策目标是追求权力，同时也是基于美国作为自由主义国家的价值观。美国自冷战结束以来，利用其权力在全球范围内推广自由主义和民主价值观，但这种做法往往会适得其反。 Jeffrey Sachs：美国政府并不关心其他国家是否实行自由民主制度，其主要目标是追求自身利益，例如获取战略资源和军事基地。美国经常使用虚假的理由来为其军事行动辩护，例如在利比亚和叙利亚的军事干预。

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What is the Deep State Party, and what are their goals?

The Deep State Party refers to high-level bureaucrats in the Pentagon, State Department, and intelligence community who have a vested interest in pursuing a particular foreign policy aligned with both Democrats and Republicans. Their goal is to maximize global power and maintain U.S. global hegemony.

Why does the United States intervene in global conflicts?

The U.S. intervenes primarily to project and maintain its power and global hegemony, often under the guise of defending democracy or human rights.

Is China a threat to the United States?

John Mearsheimer views China as a significant threat due to its economic and military growth, aiming to become a regional hegemon. Jeffrey Sachs argues that China is not a threat and that U.S. policies should focus on de-escalation to avoid nuclear conflict.

What role does India play in global power dynamics?

India is seen as a growing power with its own interests, particularly in countering China's influence in Asia. The U.S. views India as an ally within the Quad alliance, but India maintains its independence in foreign policy.

Why is the Middle East a potential flashpoint for conflict?

The Middle East is a flashpoint due to ongoing issues like the Israel-Palestine conflict, Iran's nuclear ambitions, and the presence of various regional powers with differing interests. These factors can escalate tensions and draw in global powers like the U.S.

What is the solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict according to Jeffrey Sachs?

Sachs advocates for the implementation of international law, including the establishment of a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders, to resolve the conflict and prevent further escalation.

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The discussion begins with Victoria Nuland's endorsement of Ron DeSantis and expands into the concept of a 'deep state.' This 'deep state' is defined as an entrenched administrative body within the US government, particularly within institutions like the Pentagon, State Department, and intelligence community. These individuals are seen as having a vested interest in maintaining a specific foreign policy direction, aligning with both Republican and Democratic parties, primarily focused on maximizing US global power.

Victoria Nuland's consistent presence in various administrations points to a unified 'deep state.'
The 'deep state' is comprised of entrenched bureaucrats in various government institutions.
Their primary incentive is to maximize US global power, influencing policy decisions across administrations.