#441 – Cenk Uygur: Trump vs Harris, Progressive Politics, Communism & Capitalism
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But I think that a significant number of companies have undue influence on our politicians, but not as much, jane says. And I have a lot of hope. Primarily underlying that hope is IT can sense that.

Even among the politicians, there's integrity, not every politician, but a lot of them. I don't think that money can so easily buy the human heart, can so easily corrupt the values of the people who want to serve. So I don't know.

I just think if you want to make money, you're not going to go into politics. There's a lot easier ways, cleaner ways, more pleasant ways to make. It's just such a dirty game, and I think .

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You wrote a book, yeah a manifesto that allies the progressive vision for america. So the big question, what are some defining ideas of progressivism?

yes. So in order to do that legs, we got to talk about where we are in the political spectrum. And um in fact there's two different spectrum now people of the thing of left, right and that's true that exists, but layer on top of that is now populist versus establishment.

So i'm center left on the left, right spectrum um but um all the way on the populist end of of the second spectrum. So where does progressivism lie within that? Well, I would argue that it's exactly in those places.

It's populist um and it's on the left. But IT is not far left. So far left is a different animal. We could talk about that in a little bit.

So in terms of what makes a progressive, so expand the circle of liberty and justice for all and equality of opportunity. Now people say, well, that seems pretty broad and all american, but is IT think about IT. So expand the circle of liberty.

Everybody's favour that right? No absolute enough. So um certainly the king of england was not in favor expanding the circle of liberty and the founding fathers that we're gna expand IT and expanded IT to property.

White men and then progressives have been their progressives because they expand the circle liberty. They then, from then on, as we are perfecting the union, progressives always say, expanded further, include women, include people without property, include all races, and at every turn, conservative fight against IT. So that doesn't mean if you're conservative today, you don't want to include women or, uh, minorities eeta.

But but today you would say, for example, well, I don't want to expand the circle of liberty to, for example, on document immigrants and maybe you're right about that. We could have that discussion in terms of a special philosophy and I don't believe the undocumented migrants should immediately be citizens thing along those lines, but I do believe in expanding liberty overall. And the counters of that are what's interesting.

And then you see justice for all, everybodys for just no. Right now, marijuana possession is still illegal in a lot of parts of the country. Now, a lot of right wingers and life wingers agree that this should be legal.

But for my entire lifetime, black people have been arrested about three point seven times the rate of people. And the entire countries been fine with IT. So these are justice.

No, they smoke White people. Black people smoke barrage, ana, at the same rate. Black people get arrested about four times the rate.

That is an injustice that an enormous percent of the country was comfortable with. Well, progresses aren't comfortable with IT. We want us.

As for all so the equality of opportunities, an interesting one, because the far life will say so at least some portions of them will say equality of results, right? So progressives just want a fair chance. So free color education. But afterwards, you don't get to have exact same results as a either the wealthiest person or we're not all going to be equal. We don't have equal talent, skills, abilities in center.

There's a lot of questions I can ask that. So on circle of liberty, yes, so expanding the number of people whose freedoms are protected. But what about the magnitude de of freedom for individual persons, expanding the freedom of the individual and protecting the films and individual IT seems like progressives are more willing to expand the size of government, or a government can do all kinds of regulation, all kinds of controls in the individual.

So like what we're probably going to talk about a lot today is baLanced. And so a lot of people think, oh, I am on the right, i'm on the left. And that comes with a certain preset ideology.

So the right is always correct. The left is always correct. So there's two problems of that. Number one, how could you possibly believe in a preset ideology if you're an independent thinker? It's literally a by definition, not possible if you say I lent my brain to an ideology that was created eighty years ago or eight years ago at eight hundred years ago and i'm not going to change IT.

You're saying I don't think for myself you know I bought into a culture and by the way, there's a lot of different forms of culture, goodbye to religion, politics sometimes uh, racial eeta. So that's why you need actually baLance. The same reason you need baLance other than independent thought is because the answers are almost never black and White.

And that gets into a really interesting to us because mainstream media, in my opinion, is the matrix. And its job is to delude you into thinking corporate rule is great for you and we should never change IT. And the status core is wonderful.

So they have created a false spinal. What mainstream media calls moderate is actually, in my opinion, extremist corporate ideology. So for example, they'll say, je mansion is a moderate.

None of his positions are moderate, other than potentially gun control in west Virginia. He's not for gun control, the people with Virginia, or not for gun control, generally speaking. So and he uses them.

They usually have the shiny objects where they like, you see this, I am a moderate because of guns, or i'm a moderate because i'm a from west Virginia but wait, let's look at your positions. You are against paid family leave that pulls at eighty four percent. So your a radical corporates who say that women should be forced back in a work the day after they have birth.

You are against the higher minimum wage you're against. You are for every corporate position and they all pull thirty three percent or less. So joe man managed is not at all a moderate.

And this applies almost every corporate republican and every corporate democrats. They're all extremists in in supporting what I call corporate. So you have to get to a baLance in order to get to the right place.

So that's an different distinction here. So you are actually, as far as understand pro capitalism, yes, which is an interesting place to be. That's the thing that probably makes you center left and is still populist, full of beautiful contradictions.

That said this, which will be great to intangible. But what's the difference between corporate sm and capitalism? The difference.

So I really believe in cabalistic. I don't think that there's really a second choice. Um the where gets super interesting is the distinction between camalote and socialism because that's not at all as clear as people think of is.

And people often say socialism and communism this as synonyms when they're not synonyms, right? And so I viewed as there's basically four distinct CT areas is obviously special. Everything is a special um right on one end you have communism on the left and on the other end you have corporation m on the right.

okay? And I would argue that capitalism is in the middle. And so communism we know stay tones all property.

You're not a private property. So I will pass off a lot of people in this so and so i'm asking for their patients. Please hear me out and because don't worry, i'm going to piece off the other side too.

okay? So communism makes no sense at all, totally opposed to human nature. IT never works. IT always evolved a dictatorship because IT is not built for human nature is we're never going to act like that. It's not in our DNA.

You could try to wish IT into existence and they have and IT never works and beats because once you have almost no rules in terms of, uh, oh, we're all equal and even no communism, eventually one ends up having an enormous amount of rules, right? Uh, IT creates a power vacuum. When you say, hey, there's no structure of power here, right? Were all equals of flat line. One guy usually gets up because that human nature goes, uh, I don't think so. I think if you're going to leave a power vacuum, I am going to take .

that power vacuum. That's actually really interesting way to put IT because whenever one is equal, nobody is in power. And human nature such that there's everybodys, that there's a willpower when you create a power backing somebody y's going to fill IT. So the alternative is to have people empower, but there's a baLance of power. And then there's like a democratic system that elects the people in power, keeps turning and rotating .

that is exactly IT like you ve got to exactly right, in my opinion. Okay, so that's why communism never works and can never work. So they it's an idea like we're all going to work as hard as we possible, we can and take only what we need.

Where, when when has that ever happened in the history of humanity? right? We're just not built that way.

So OK, we can get into that debate with my friends on the left of center. Now, corporate sm is just as extremely, just as dangerous. And that is basically what we have in amErica now, what we have in amErica now. And this is another giant trick that the matrix played on everybody, that they they did a shell game and always set extreme corporations like manchin and almost every republican in the senate, or moderates, oh my god, which B. O.

Observer is a moderate and it's set as long as you're not a populist, populist or never moderate, okay? But if you love corporations and corporate tax cuts and everything in favorite of corporations, you're magically call the moderate when you actually, according to the polling, have super extreme positions that the american people hate. And by the way, that's part of the reason for the rise of trump.

And come back to that, okay, but the second shot game is taking out capitalism, putting in corporate ism, but still calling a capable. okay? So what is corporate is IT is when corporation slowly take over the system and create monopoly and oligopoly power.

So that snubs out equality of opportunity. So how do they do that? When people say that the system is ragged, they often times can't explain IT that well.

And then may street media goes um is out very dori al rich, yeah I wonder how yeah super easy to explain IT. Here is one of dozens of examples Carried interest loophole. So that is for hedge funds, private equity.

The top people on wall street there as part of their income, they get two and twenty, right? So two percent is a flat fee no matter what happens to the fund. And twenty percent of the profits of the fund goes back to the people who invested in.

It's not their money. It's not their investment. Uh, what they're getting is actually just income and should be tax to the highest rate.

But it's because of the sloopy. It's tax that are much lower ated, around twenty percent. So do you know at what income level you go above twenty percent?

If you're a regular joe, it's said eighty four thousand dollars a year. So these billionaires are getting the same tax rate as people making eighty four thousand hours year. It's unbelievably unfair.

And that's corporation m taking over and starting to rid the rules. I'm going to pay less taxes. Pay more taxes. okay. So again, I can give you dozens of those example.

So in mergers so that they get to oligopoly power, that's how your riga system lowering the corporate tax rates, making sure that there is no a real minimum wage, being sure there's no universal health care, we all get become indentured servants of corporations. They take away power from the average guy, give IT to the most powerful people in the world. So, and but the most important distinction legs is that corporate sm hates competition.

IT wants monopoly and alcohol, y power, whether capitalism loves competition and wants to free markets. And I remember we started a Young turks back in two thousand and two. So we've been around for twenty two years, longest running daily shown on the internet ever.

And so we will be preiss q war and iraq war stars and dc chinese starts handing out no bid contracts. And like what part of capaldi is a no bid contract? You can't negotiate drug Prices.

The most anti free market thing I have ever heard. It's almost like communism for corporations. They get everything you there is and there you get nothing right. So it's it's posture is awful and and IT kills the free markets and it's killing this country. And IT is the main ideology and religion of the .

established. Are all companies built the same here? So when you say corporate sm a IT seems like just looking here at the list of by industry baby's IT seems like there certain industries that are worse offenders than others like pharmaceuticals, like insurance, oil and gas. Yeah so IT seems to me IT feels wrong to just throw all companies into the same bucket of like they're all guilty.

No, they're not all guilty. So let's make bunch of distinctions here. So first of all, uh, can you first of all, are they guilty?

No, they're doing something that is logical and natural, right? So if your company do you want to pay higher taxes or lower taxes? Of course you want to pay lower taxes, right?

Do you want to have higher or employee costs or lower employee costs? Of course you want lower employ costs, right? So but the government needs to understand that and protect us from that power that they are going to exercise to get to those results.

And if you if you think free markets there is no government, you read or wrong, go go back and reread adam smith. He says you must protect against monopoly power. If you do not protect against monopoly power, you will have no free markets.

And he's absolutely right. So second distinction is between small business and big business. That's why republicans always be like all we're doing this for small business.

That's why we got the biggest oil companies world, thirty billion dollars of subsidies. what? I am a small business, right? So I want a small business. And so if people were to say, like, hey, maybe there should be exemptions for some of the regulations.

If your company has less than five employees, ten employees, fifty employees at center, there's some logic in that because businesses have different stages of growth and they have different interests and different needs in those stages of growth. And we want to facilitate small business growth because that's great for the economy. That's great for, uh, markets, freedom eeta.

But the bigger corporations, even there there is a third distinction IT, isn't that there are certain industries that are worse. There's just that there are industries that are Better at lobbying. So anyone who like right now number one donor in washington, a lot of people make a mistake.

They think it's APEC or they think it's the oil companies of the banks. No, it's big farma. okay.

And who has the most power in this country? Big farmer, so we can even negotiate the drug crisis. I mean, look, guys think about this way.

That's like saying, okay, ay, here's a bottle of water and Normally the free market that would cost about a dollar, right? And in the 呃， for metic care, the drug companies is coming. And gop, no, i'm not charging a dollar for that.

What i'm charging one hundred dollars and the governments has to say, yes, sir. Thank you, sir. Of course, sir, we will pay a hundred dollars. That's that's that's why I compared to communism, because I can't imagine zing more diametrically opposed the free market. Then you, the consumer, have to pay whatever the hello corporation charges.

That's insanity, let alone the patterns, little alone of the fact that the american people pay for the research and then they make billions, that as all of IT and we get nothing but robbed by them. So it's about lobby power. Oil companies have huge lobby power.

Defense contractors have huge lobby power. It's not that they are more evil, is just that they have figured out the game Better. And theyve basically taken the influence they need to capture the market, capture the government and and stuff at all competition well.

figured out the game Better. So I think a lot of companies are good at winning the right way by building, but the products by, you know, making people happier with the work that they're doing and the winning of the game of capitalism. And there's other companies that when at the game of lobbying, and it's one sort of you are that distinction because I think it's a small subset of companies that are playing the game of lobbing like big farmer.

So like, first of all, you have to sit rules for what makes sense, not, oh, I don't like this industry. I don't like this company or hey, this companies not doing that much lobbing at this point. They were later when they realized what's going on.

So for example, in my opinion, APEC is totally bought almost all of congress. And so now other countries are going to wake up and go wait. You could just buy american government.

So APEC is going to spend about one hundred million dollars in this cycle, and there go, and they're getting twenty six billion back. So every country in the world is soon going to realize, oh, take american citizens that live there, give them a tremendous amount of money and just buy the U. S.

Government, right? So that, but for corporations, we've already realize that on a massive scale, right? So for example, in the two industries, you get automotive.

So in new jersey, about a decade ago or so, one of the most powerful lobbies is uh, car, your ships. So at the national level, you got farma and you've got defense contract that at the local level, guys say a huge power. Number one is utilities, number two is a really state.

And then carty, others ships are hilariously among the top right because it's local businesses that are you financing the politicians at the local level. So they pass the long, uh, saying that, uh, you have to sell through dealerships, but tesla doesn't sell through dealerships. And that was intended to bully, intimidate and push out tesla out of the market.

They then did that in a number of different states throughout the country. So does that make any sense in a democracy? Of course, not.

Why you could, why you have so your product through a specific vehicle or medium, you can sell them anyway. You like that the most anti free market thing possible, why IT was just total, utter corruption. And but it's not but it's perfectly legal.

The supreme court legalized bribery. So then what happened in that case? So then elon came in and camping er contributions and reverse that. So now we're in a battle.

Where is an open auction, right? Different companies are buying different politicians and then they're pretending to have debates about principles and ideas at seta. So now let's look at tech.

Um in the beginning, facebook was not spending any money, impossible or almost any money in politics. So what happens? They're getting hammer.

They get IT pulled into congressional hearings and facebook got fake news. And, oh my god, all this trouble from facebook. Then facebook does the logical thing.

Oh IT turns out I need degrees. These sons of beaches. okay.

So then they hire a whole bunch of republic consultants. They go greece. All the republicans, at most of the corporate democrats.

And then all of a sudden we're no longer talking about facebook at all. And facebook are Angels. And now we've turned to our attention to who facebook s top competitor, tiktok. Funny how that works. okay.

And by the way, then Donald trump goes, oh, and tiktok, big dangerous company that are working with china, okay? And then jeffs comes in in this cycle, part owner of tiktok, and he doesn't want tiktok vanished, of course, right? So he gives trump a couple of million dollars trucks around the next dangers we love tiktok take takes a good company, right?

So that's a big contributor to, uh, influencing web politicians saying what they think, but is not the entire thing.

I know IT is it's ninety eight percent. I'll go on main street media and you'll like, oh, I see what you are saying. I can see how that influences pontification.

About ten percent like, no, no, it's ninety eight percent. So and even a lot of good people think it's fifty, fifty. They have principles and they have money. No, they have money. And this major principles, that's why I want to clarify to OK.

So how do we how do we fix? This is really interesting and nice that your pro capitalism and anti corporate sm, so how do we create a system? Where are the free marketing rule where capitalism can role? We can have these viBrant flourishing of all these companies companion against each other in creating awesome stuff .

yet as so in the book I call a democratic capitalism as opposed to burner's democratic socialism right? We need into that distinction in a minute but um so as Adams Smith said, and anyone who studies capitalism knows you need the government to protect the market as well as the people because so like why do we have cops? Because we don't have cops somebody who's going to go well, I like lexis coop equipment.

Why do I just go to as and take right? So you need the cops to protect you. That's the government.

So people say, I hate big government, do you? right? IT depends, right? If you have to get robot also, you like the government, but you also need comes on wall street.

Because if you allow inside of trading, the powerful going, na, rob you blind and the little guy is going to get screwed. So that's an easy example. And so if you don't have those cops, the bad guys can take over.

They are going to set the rules, rig the rules in their favor, so that that's why you need regulation. And so the republicans, on purpose made regulation a dirty word like our all regulation is bad. And and there's sometimes in the left people fall for the trap of all regulation is good guy, I like has a great analogy on this math dollar.

He's one of the original, I would argue, progressives and there's about four of us sure there's more, but that they have stayed true to the original meeting of progressive ism and populous sm me, mah dollar, David throttle, ryan rim. okay. And they used to be.

In that original blogging group, there was guys like glen Green wall and other interesting cats, right? But they went in different directions. So mad has a great line. He says, if somebody comes up to you, says, how bigger pipe do you want?

There is no .

answer for that IT depends on the job doesn't IT right? What are we doing? What are we building? I am going to tell you the size of the pipe depending on the project.

So when people say, are you in favorite regulation or against IT, that's an absurd question. Of course you need regulation. That just means laws, right? So don't kill your neighbor is a regulation, right? So a my idea is a simple one, and one we're going to keep to baLance.

So when my dad was a small business owner, a new jersey, and they inspected the elevator six times a year, that was over regulation. And I said to my dad, so should they not expected at all my Young kid growing up and he said, no, you got expected at least twice here. I said, why? He said, because in turkey, sometimes they don't expect IT and then the elevator false, so so bounds a reason. Correct regulation to protect the markets and to protect american people yeah .

by finding the right level of regulation, especially in, for example, in tech, something how much more familiar with this? Very difficult because of people in congress are living in in the twenty years century before the internet was, uh, invented. So like how are they supposed to come up with regulations? Yeah, that's the idea of the free market. You should be able to sort of compete, the market regulates and then the government can step in and protect.

uh, the market .

from forming monos, for example.

which is easier to then .

there's like more check in elevator twice a year. That's a more sort of specific watching Michael managing.

So like IT, here's a little there is no where around the the laws are made by potier. Ans, okay. So and so you can give up that and go oh, it's a bunch of smart.

I think most politicians are just servants for the donor class. You know the media makes this sound like they're the best of us or they deserve a lot of honor and respect and they kissed their asset. I think generally speaking, they're usually the worst of us, especially in this corporate ates structure, right? Because they are the guys who their number one talent is.

Yes, sir. No, sir. What would you like me to do with your donor money, sir? absolutely. I'll serve you completely, or ninety eight percent, right? So in this structure, the politicians are the worse than us. But at some point you need somebody elected to be your representative to do democratic capitalism so that you have capital.

M, but it's checked by the government on behalf of the people, is the people that are saying, these are the rules of the land and and you have to abide by them, so the how do you get to the best possible answer, which is related to an other question you ask legs, which is the number one thing you have to do is get big money on the politics. Everything else is near impossible, as long as we are drowned in money, and whoever has more money wins. And by the way, when he comes to legislation, again, that's true.

About ninety eight percent of the time, like we predict things ahead of time. People are like, wow, how did you know that that bill wasn't going to pass or was going to pass is the easiest thing in the world. And we like literally like teach our audience on the Young turks watch you'll be able to see for yourself.

And now like our members comment in they do these predictions, they're almost always right, right, because it's so simple. Follow the money. So if you get big money on a politics and I could explain how to do that this sec, um then you're at a place where you got your best shot and honest representatives that are going to try their best to get to the right answer.

Are they going to get to the right answer out of the gate? Usually not. So they pass the law.

They're something wrong with the law. They then fixed that part. They is a pendula. You know, you don't want to to swing too widely, but you do need a little bit of oslo tion in that pendulum to get to the right bounds.

by the way, as a listening to a job in from when he was like thirty years old, the speech he was eloquent as hell, fun to listen to actually. And he has a speech he gives, or just may be a conversation in congress and that show where where he talks about how corrupt the whole system is. And he said, he's really honest and like fun.

And that job is great, by the way, that, I mean, age, age sucks. You know, people get older. But he was talking, quite honestly, about like having to suck up to all these rich people and that he couldn't really suck up to the really rich people.

Um they said come back to us ten years later when you're like more, more integrated into the system but he was really honest about IT saying that's um that's how IT is. That's what we have to do and that really sucks. That's what we have to do.

Yeah, so we did a video on our tiktok channel then. And now, joe biden, this is when I was trying to push by .

now we should say you are one of the people early on saying, bit needs to step down.

Yeah, I started about a year ago because I was positive that biden had a zero percent chance of winning and and IT turned out, by the way, two days before he dropped his inside, advisers inside the White house said, yeah, near zero percent chance of winning.

So we were right all along. You a lot crisis for way ah we .

can come back to them yes I did and which makes IT tuesday for me. I get a lot of critics every um and by the way, democratic party, you're welcome. So but binds a really interesting example i'm really glad you brought up.

So the video on tiktok was just showing by and then by now, and your right, biden was so dynamic, when you see how dynamic he was, we did like side by side, right? And then you see him now going your revision anyways, right? You're like, oh, that's not the same guy.

I get IT right. So and I got like five million views because because I resonates. They like, yeah, of course right.

But when he first started, to the point you are making likes, he, in fact, I know, because I talk him about this, his very first bill was anti corruption. why? Because at that point, everything changes in ninety, seventy six, seventy eight, supreme courtezans that basically legalized bribery.

But remember buying his ancient. So he's coming into politics at a time when money has not yet drawn politics. And in fact, the american population super pissed about the fact it's begun.

They don't like corruption so early. Biden, because he's reading the room, is very anti corruption. And the first bill he proposes to get money out of politics.

Okay, but as biden goes on for his epic two hundred year career in washington, he starts to get to not more conservative, more corporate, because he's just taken more and more money by the middle. His career. He has a nickname, the senator from N.

B. Na, okay, mbna was a credit card company based on delivery. And the reason here that nickname is because there isn't anything joe biden would have done for credit card companies and corporations based on delivery, which are almost all corporations.

okay? So he became the most corporate senator in the country, enhance the most beloved by corporate media. And corporate media protected him his entire career until about a months ago. So for example, in the primaries, both in twenty, twenty and twenty twenty four, if you said the senator from bna, I guarantee almost no one in the audience this heart of IT, if you heard of a good job, you know politics really well. okay.

But the reason you didn't hear of IT is because the myriam media wouldn't say that's outrages of joe biden to be such a corporate study the'd say that's outrageous of you to point out something that's true and something we reported not earlier. okay. And so they protected them at all costs.

Now finally, when you get to this version of joe biden, we he can't talk, he can walk. He here, he bears no resembles to the Young guy who came in saying that money in particles was a problem. Now he's saying, money in particles is the solution and in twenty twenty he said, well, I can raise more money than berny.

I, I, I can kiss corporate aas Better than berny. I'm the biggest corporate as kiss ter in the world, someone to raise a billion dollars and you need to support me. Now of course he doesn't say in those words, but that was a message to the establishment and boot ges clubs or obama climbing and everybody that's right. Or bite and by and bite, not berny. I don't know that there's anybody in the country who instinctual dislikes berny more than barack o bub.

That's interest. I like taking attention at this moment because the mainstream media, what's the motivation for instream media to be corporatists also?

So first of all, they are giant corporations, so they're all multibillion dollar port. In the old days, we had incredible number of media outlets. So you go to santa eco, they're be at least two papers and they're be a paper boy.

I'm going all the way back, paper boy on each corner, and they're competing with one another, literally they'd be catti corner, right? And one guys go out here all the details. They're trying to get an audience.

They're trying to get people interested. They're populists. They're interesting, their muck rakers. They are chAllenging the government. Fast forward to now or not now, but about a decade ago, five years ago, in that ball, in that ball park.

Now there's only six giant media corporations left, and it's an alabi, right? And there are all multibillion other corporations. They all want tax cuts.

Half of them are also, especially about twenty years ago during the rack war, half of them are defense contractor ors. So they're just using the news as marketing to start wars like iraq, AR and and g, which own msm. Bc makes a tremendous amount of money.

So much more money from more than IT does for media that media is a good marketing spend for these corporations. Now that's part of IT that they themselves want the same exact thing. As for the rest of corporations oo for corporate rule, lower tax cuts, the regulation so they can merge IT seta.

But the second part of IT is are you believe? And more important, so where does all that money in politics go? So for example, in twenty twenty two, this is the mid term election.

Not no presidential should be lower spending. A ridiculous seventeen billion dollars are spent. Okay, on on the elections cycle.

Where is the seventeen billion ago? Almost all of that goes into corporate media, mainstream media, television, newspaper, s, radio. Thereby ying ads like not.

So we have a reporter at T. Y, T. David chester. He used to work at M, S, B, C, fox news, a seta.

And David wants to a piece about money in politics at a local nbc news station and his uh editor or gm Spike the story and David that goes into his office and ask them so why this story is true is a huge part of politics. If we're going to report on this issue, we got to tell you what's actually happening. So you stay, we come here.

He puts his armor on his shoulders. Take them to the big newsroom. And he goes, you see all this money in politics paid for that.

That's really fascine. So big corporations are giving money to politicians, to different channels, and then the politicians are spending their money on media. And so there's there's a vicious cycle.

Where is in the interest of the major media not to criticize the very CoOperations that are feeding that cycle? I actually direct it's not like corporations are because that I was thinking one of the ways is direct advertisement. Pharmaceutical ov advertise a lot on a mac media, but there is also indirect, which is like giving the politicians money to poor or super packs. The super pacs spend money on .

the that's why media never mystery. Media never talks about the number one factor in politics, which is money. Like we all know. I mean, you now, as we talked about earlier, we see IT with our own eyes, open auction, any country, any company, anybody that has money, the politicians will now literally say, I am now working for this guy, as truman says, because he gave me a strong endorsement, which means a lot of money, right? And so and the press never covers that, almost never, right.

So you telling me you're doing a an article on the infrastructure build or build back Better seta, and you're not going na mention the enormous amount of money that every lobby is spent on that bill. That's absurd. That absurd.

That's ninety eight percent of the bargain. And the reason they hide the balls because they don't want you to know this whole thing is based on the money that they are receiving. And and by the way, that one more thing about that likes it's that the ads themselves, actually, they work and they work pretty well.

But that's not the main reason you spend money on ads. You spend the money on ads to get friendly coverage from the content, from the free media that you're getting from that same outlet. And so since every newspaper and every news televisa station and network knows that the democratic party in the republican party are their top clients, they're going to get billions of dollars from them. They never really criticized the republican and democratic party. Another hand, if you're an outsider, they'll rip your face off.

That's also really interesting. So if you're advertiser, if you big farmer in advertising, it's not yet that the advertisement works is that the the hosts are too afraid, not like explicitly, just even implicitly, they're self stansbury. They're not going to have any guests that are like controversial anti big farmer or they're not going to make any jokes about big farmer. They're going to make and and that kind of that continues and expands. That's really interesting.

Sometimes it's super direct. When I was a host on msnbc, I had uh a company ah that I was criticizing in my h script and management looked at him, by the way, used to go off prompter alone and I drove crazy now because I wasn't good at IT. I I think my rates went up whenever I went off prompter, but because they couldn't preapproved the script and what do they want to preapproved?

Hey, are you gonna criticize one of our sponsors, one of our advertisers, a set a so they we had a giant fight over IT. And the compromise was, I moved them low in the script, but kept them in the story. right? So sometimes a super direct like that, but more way, more often it's implicit.

It's indirect. You don't have to say IT, right? So give you an spectacular example of IT so that you get a sense of how IT works implicity.

So sce g is a giant defence contractor. They own mmc. At the time of the iraq war, they fired everyone who is against iraq war on air. So filled on a huge Jessie ventura ashly band field. But actually, band field did something different with, okay, he was a rising start at the time.

SHE goes and gives a speech in kansas not really even having a policy position, but just talking about the actually cost of the iraq war and how we should be really careful. They hate that. So they take their rising star and they take her off here.

Okay, and he was, okay, good, let me out of my contract. This, okay, I go. Because he was such a star at that time, you could have easily got in somewhere else.

They don't know we're not in your contract. Why not? We're going to pay me to do nothing. Yeah, not only that, we're moving your office.

Where are you moving in to? They literally moved IT into a closet, okay? And they made sure that everybody in the building saw her getting taken off the air and moving into a closet.

The closet is the memo, right? That's the memo to the whole building. You Better shut up and do is your told, okay, so that way I don't have to tell you and get myself in trouble.

It's super obvious there are gardens here, and you are not allowed to go beyond acceptable thought. And acceptable thought is our sponsors are great. Politicians are great. The powerful of rate.

So how do we how do we begin to fix that? And what exactly we fixing is that the influence of the lobby is the influence of IT feels like there's companies have found different ways to achieve influence, right? So how do we get money out of politics?

So it's very difficult, but doable, and we will do IT. so. But in order to do IT, the populist left and the popular right have to unite. Because and not by the way, that is why we have the culture words.

That's why you're only for truck.

no jets, okay? So we can get in the end a minute. So the cultural wars are meant to divide us. If if we get united, we have enough leverage and powered to be able to do IT. But a you can do IT through a Normal bill, because if we do IT in a bill, the whole point of catching the supreme court was to make sure that they kill any piece of legislation that would .

protect the american people. The prime .

court is also so, okay. So let me explain again, people, for the uninitiated, they think, oh, that sounds conspiratorial. Well, in this case, that's actually somewhat true because people now know about this is the parameters o right? Most informed political memo and history, Louis power ized the memo for the chAmber commerce and ninety, seventy one.

That's basically a blueprint for how the chAmber of commerce can take over the government. And Lewis power explains, when the most important things you have to do is take over the media. But even more important than that is taking over the supreme court, because the supreme court is the ultimate arbiters of what is allowed and not allowed.

And he says, we need, quote, activist judges to a to help business interest on the core. okay? And the nicks on reads the memo o goes, that's like a really good idea. How about I put you on the supreme court and he puts Lewis Powell, the guy who wrote the memo, on this room cord where he is the deciding vote in bloody and and bucket.

So but is those two decisions are seventy six and seventy eight and when they say is, yeah yeah, I read the constitution and he says that the money speech, no IT isn't and no IT didn't that's not even close the true, they just made that up and they said, okay. And corporations, there are human beings. No, they are not.

That's preposterous, right? And I have the same available rights as human beings and citizens do. And money is speech, and speech is an inalienable right. So corporations can spend unlimited money in politics.

And there goes, our democracy gone, okay? So citizens united just shot a dead horse with a gattleton gun and made IT worse and put IT on steroid. But he was already dead in seventy eight.

So that's why every chart you see for the rest of your life you'll see this um every chart is about the american economy starts to diverge in ninety seventy eight. So until thirty eight to seventy eight we've golden forty years of economic prosperity. We create the greatest middle class the world has ever seen and a our productivity sky high.

But our wages match our productivity. After seventy eight, productivity still sky high, best in the world. okay? Sometimes people all american worker is lazy, not remotely true.

We work our us. Off, okay, but wages flat line. And they've been flat lining for about fifty years straight.

And the reason is because the supreme court made primary legal. So in order to get past the supreme court, only have one choice that's an amendment. And so you have to get an amended amendments are very difficult.

But so, for example, you you need two thirds of congress to even propose amendment so well, why would congress propose an amendment that would take away their own power? right? Because almost everybody in congress got there through corruption.

Their main talent is, I can kiss corporate as Better than you can, right? So I, they take the most out of person, was more money in congress was ninety five percent of the time, right? But the good news is the founding father's regencies, and they put in a second outlet, they said, or two thirds of the states can call for a convention where you can propose amendment, and afa amendment is proposed than three quarters of the states have to ratify.

That is what makes us so difficult because getting three quarters of the states, there's so many red states, so many blue states. Getting three quarters of the states to degree is near impossible. But there is one issue that the whole country agreement on.

Ninety three percent of americans believe that politicians serve their donors and not their voters. So this is the one thing we can unite on. If we unite on this, we push our states to call for a convention.

We all go to the commissions together. We bring democracy alive, and we propose amendments to the constitution and the best amendment. Get three courses, the state iii, fy, you go out of the supreme court and you .

solve the whole thing. So if ninety three percent of people want this, why hasn't IT happened yet? I mean, the obvious answer, corporate control, the media and the politicians but IT seems like our current system and the magazine that the president has, we should be able to kind of unite the populous left and right. So this shouldn't be that difficult to do. Like why hasn't a person like trump is a billionaire or on the left um a rich business man run just on this and win?

Well, eventually they will right? And so that's why I actually have a lot of hope, even though things seem super dark right now. So um and that's why I was for berny so I can come back to that.

But why hasn't trumped on that is easy. He's like, what am my soccer? The guy gives some money.

I do what the guy wants. Why would I get rid of that? That's how I got in a power. And so that's how i'm doing IT.

Now I get go to marry metal sense to give me a hundred million hours, and i'll let is real ani's the west bank, right? So I go to the oil companies and give me a billion dollars, and i'll give you tax subsidies. I'll let you drill. I take you away regulation.

Why would I stop that you think he likes money more than he likes being popular because ah there there's a big part is a populist in a sense that like he loves being admired by .

large masses of people yeah so and you're absolutely right, but that is the fault. Mega, and so mega, your growing populist in a way that is infuriating okay? And smart libertarians like dave Smith have figure this out and that's why he's just as matter trump as I am and uh and it's because he took a populist movement and he redirected IT for his own personal gain.

Maga figured that out. Come on, right? And so if you say, oh, you think democracy figured that out, that these pulse, no, they didn't largely have figured out either.

And I think there's blue maga and I could talk about that as well. But for those of us on the populist left, yeah, we're not in emmet by politicians. And for example, when berny is the wrong thing, we call him out.

I'm berny on my got down uncle. I don't like him for some personality reason. It's not a call to personality. You do the right thing I love you for.

You do the wrong thing i'm a kick you ask for, right? So but Donald trump does this massive, ridiculous corruption over and over again. And mag is like, i'm here for I love IT as long as you're doing the corruption, i'm okay with IT.

What is what is truly say about getting money out of politics to .

see he says nothing about IT going imagine why haven't you held them to account? Like so when berney IT helped to bind take out fifty thousand mental wage from the senate bill on the first bill that was introduced in the by administration, we went nuts. We did a petition.

We sent in videos to berny our audience going, don't kill IT berny. Don't kill IT. And so berny then reintroduced as an amendment. IT got voted down. But he did the right thing, right, that is us holding our top leader accountable and saying, you want to get back on track, okay, because we're not here for you and your personal self and a grandier ment.

We're here for policy, right? And if mega was actually here for policy, they would absolutely level trump on the fact that he, I mean, remember what he ran on, join the swamp. That's why I went to twenty sixteen, right? So I predicted on abc right after the dnc and hill clinton was up ten, twelve points, whatever he was.

And I said trump would win n OK and the whole panel laughed out loud, rather like, get a of this crazy guy I said he's a populist who seems to hate the establishment in in a popular time and so and jane, the swamp is is a great a slogan and I knew he would win when he was in a republican debate. And he said, I paid all these guys before I paid them, and they did whatever I wanted, and I was like that. So true, right? And people will love that, and especially republican voters will love that. Actually have a lot of respect for republic public voters because they actually genuinely ly hate corruption.

And so what would an amendment look like that helps prevent money being an influence in politics?

So I started group called the wolf pack um thank you wolf dash pack 点 com and and the reason why I named a wolf pack is because everyone in washington I knew would hate that name um it's a populist name and everybody washing his sick now you're exposed the name of americans for amErica and just trick people I said， no, I know wolf pack imes were common for you. okay? We're not coming for you in a weirdo, physical or violent way.

We're coming for you in a democratic way. okay? So we're going to a go to those stake, uh, houses.

We're going to get them to proposal convention. And we did that in five states, but the democratic party started beating us back. We will get to that. And um and so, uh, we are going to overturn your apple card and we're going to bring put american people back in charge.

So what is the amendment state? Number one, uh, a lot of people have different opinions on what you should say, and that's what you sort out in a convention. So for example, one of the things that conservative can propose, which makes sense of term limits because will the reason why the suburb potentials are in charge is because they provide a return on investment.

So, you know, if you give the biden polos a marcano, they're gonna deliver for you. They love that return on them as they don't want to risk on a new guy. A new guy might have principles you or you know, might want to actually do a little bit for his voters.

Bo, whether these old, you know, and every corrupt system has these old guys hanging around that help maintain power is set up. So my particular proposal and amendments would be a couple of things. One is in private financing of elections.

So if and look if you are business person, you're a cabalistic. You know this with absolutely taints if somebody signs your check that the person you work for, right? So if private interests are funding politicians, the politicians will serve private interest.

And then you're going to get into a fight like elon did in new jersey, where the car dealerships and tesla are getting into an auction. Can I hear one hundred thousand and million and two billions, three million, right? And now you got to go bribe the government official that's called a campaign contribution.

And this is a terrible system, right? And the private financing go to complete public financing of elections. That was the conservatives because they're been propagandize by corporate media.

Yes, mainstream media get into your head to, and right wing media got into your head to and write. Wing media also finance by a lot of this corrupt interest. And so they tell you all, you don't want to publicly finance, oh my god, you'd be spending like a billion dollars on politicians. Rather, they spending trillions of dollars of your money because they're financed by guys that they are giving all of your money too.

So can you educate me, does that, uh, prevent something like citizen united? So like super packs are all gone in this case. So so indirect funding ings is also.

indirect funding is gone. Direct funding is gone. You you have to set up some threshold. Not everybody can just get money to run. You have to prove that you have some sort of popular support. So signature gathering, you would still allow for small money donations like up to one hundred dollars, something along those ones.

That's not five thousand of everything.

Yeah, I think five thousand too high. But those are fine debates, yeah, you know, but you basically want to create an incentive. Everything is about incentives and distinctive.

Again, capitalist realize is Better than anyone else, right? So you want to set up an incentive to serve your voters, not your donors. So if you take away private donors, well, there goes that incentive.

And that's dragani right? And then if you set up small grass roots funding is a way to get past the threshold, to get the funding to run election, well then good. Because then you're serving small donors, which are generally voters, right? So that's what you want an ending.

Private financing is critical. But the second thing is any corporate person? Hu, so this is where you get into a lot of fights because you have two reasons. One is some folks have a principal position against, and they say, well, I mean, this era club is technically a corporation, is technically a corporation.

And so if you end corporate person hood, then, uh, you know, that could in endanger their existence, right? No, IT doesn't endanger their existence at all, right? So IT doesn't endure gm or g exists.

IT doesn't endanger anybody, is exist as corporations exist. When I trying to take them away, I would never do that, right? That's not smart.

That's not workable at sea. We're just saying they don't have constitutional rights, so they have the write that we give them. And by the way, read the founding fathers is also, in my book, they hated corporations.

The american revolution was partly against the british east india company. And so the tea party in boson was against that corporation. They threw their tea overboard.

IT was not against the british monarchy. And so they and all the farming father's warn us over and over again. Watch out for corporations, okay? Because once they form, they will amass money and power and look to kill off democracy.

And they were totally right. That's exactly what happened. And so it's not that you don't have them.

It's that you throw democratic capitalism. You limit their power. They definitely they, you can give them a bunch of rights. You say, hey, you have a right to this. You have a right to do this, this and this, okay, but you do not have constitutional rights of a of a citizen. And so you don't have the right to speak to a politician by giving them a billion dollars.

And you believe that the people will be able to find the right policies to regulate and tax the corporations such that campus and converter.

Yes, you know why? Because i'm a real populist, and I believe in the people so that I drive established in crazy because they don't believe in the people they think. Check, have you seen mag, have you seen these guys? Have you seen the radical on the left? We're so much smarter.

You know how many, I believe, degrees we have, right? And we know what we're do. No, you don't.

No, you're everybody, to some degree, looks up for their own interests, right? Why like capitalism and why I love democracy, is because it's the wish of the crowd. And so in the long run, the crowd are right.

Often times in the short term are wrong, okay, but the issue of the crowd in the long run is much, much Better then the elites that run things. The elite say, what? We're so smart, educated, so we're gonna Better.

What's good for you? No, brother, you're onna know what's Better for you? And so here's something that a lot of people get wrong in the popular left and right.

They think all those guys evil. They are not evil. I I met them.

I worked at msm C, I worked on cable. I went to work, you know, of my law. So I know a lot of those guys.

And so they're not at all. If they don't even know that they're mainly serving their own interest, they just naturally do IT right. And so they think they Carried interest loophole makes a lot of sense, right? They think corporate tax cuts makes a lot of sense. You not getting higher wages, you not having health care makes a lot of sense. IT doesn't make any god damn sense, but they get themselves to believe IT and that's another portion of the invisible hand in the market.

So there there's problems with every, every path. Uh, so the leak, like you mention, to be corrupted by greed, by power and so on. But the crowd, I agree with you, by the way, about the wisdom of the crowd versus the wisdom daily.

But the crowd can be captured by a charismatic leader. So the problem with popular m and i'm probably a populist myself. The problem with popular m is IT. IT can be in husband throughout history captured by bad people.

But if you say to me, trust the list or trust the people, I want to trust the people every single time.

That's why you're such an interesting I don't want a contradiction, but there's a tension that creates the baLance. So to me, in the way you're speaking, my result in hurting capitalism. So IT is easy to infinite corporate sm to um to hurt companies, so to go too far the other way.

Yeah and I feel like when you talk about corporate tax. So what's what's the magic what's the magic number for the corporate tax? Because if is too high, the companies leave. Yeah .

companies have so much power right now, this pendulum swings so far. And what guys were almost at the time the windows closing, the minute private equity buys all of our homes, the residential real state market were through where in dangerous servant forever, okay, there goes wealth creation for the average american. So your right likes this is that is not a contradance.

It's attention that is inevitable to get to baLance. The reason why people kind can't figure me out. They're like, well, you're on the left but you're a capitalist is set a that's not a contradiction that's getting to the right baLance.

And in order to do that, like if you say, well, if we change the system, i'm afraid of change because what if the pendulum swings too far in the other direction, right? Well, then you would be opposed to change at all times. So if you do that, IT IT actually reminds me of the buy and fight, right? So i'm like, guys, he has, he is almost no chance of winning.

He stands for the establishment. He can't talk but then the number one pushed back, I get from democrats was, yeah but what if we change IT so scary? We don't know about commonly hair.

What if it's not common hair? It's so scary. Don't change like.

But if you say change might be worse, IT also might be Better, and you're at zero, anything is Better, right? And right now, in terms of corruption in america, we're at ninety eight percent corruption. So we got two percent decency left.

Rather, this is when you want change. And so took in in legs if you actually have wisdom of the crowd, just like a supply and demand and how that works in economics, IT works the same way in a functioning democracy. You go too far.

You come back in. So for example, when reading came in an office in my dad, my family, we were republicans. Why at that point, the more highest marginal tax rate was at seventy percent.

Seventy percent is too high right now. They they brought all the way down to twenty eight percent. That's too low. So but and that's how the the system module ates itself. Already we were head towards corruption because of the eighties.

Now our past seventy magic seventy marker, right? So and an even quarter was way more conserved economically than people realized because we are already getting passed by the time it's in his administration. But the bottom line is, yes, you're whenever you have real wish of the crowd, whether it's in business or gn politics, you're going to have fluctuated ation.

You're going to have that pendulum swing back and forth. You don't want wild swings, communism, m corporate, sm, right? You want to get to, hey, where? Where's the right baLancer between capitalism and what people think is socialism?

Yeah so I guess um I agree with most of things you said about the corruption ah I just wish you would be more celebration of the fact that capitalism and some incredible companies in the history of the twenty century has created so much wealth, so much innovation that has increased the quality of life on average. They have ve also increased the wealth inequality and explosion of workers in this kind of stuff. But you you want to not forget to celebrate the awesome ness that companies have also brought outside the political sphere, just in creating awesome stuff.

Look, I run a company ah and so I don't want companies to go away and and I don't want you to hate all companies. I think Young turks is a wonderful company, right? We provide great health care.

We take care our employees, we care about the community, etta, and we're building a whole nation online on on those principles in the right way. Toronto company right um but guys, we're the wrong part of the pendula. The companies have overwhelming power and they're crushing us.

We're like a that seen in star wars with the trash compactor closing in on them. The walls are closing in were almost out of time because they they have captured the government almost entirely their only serving corporate interest. We've got to get back in the bounce before it's too late.

And that's why I care so much about structural issues. So I form just as democrats. So that's aoc is saturate, right? That people notice the squad they know is just democrats set out one of the cow farms that. And my number one rule was no corporate pack money.

okay? So you're not love to take corp. Pack money, by the way.

Now mad gaze and josh holly have stopped taking corporate pack money and they become, to some degree, on economic issues, genuine populist. It's amazing. IT happens overnight.

All the sun they're holding. They're talking about holding corporations accountable. It's settat now just democrats want up having other problems. They got too deep into social issues, not economic issues.

There's a general sort of criticism. Billionaire, right? This idea.

Now you could say that billionaires are avoiding taxes and interacting tax enough, but I think under that flag of criticizing billion's is criticising all of companies that do epic shit that build stuff. Oh, okay, so great stuff. That's that's what i'm worried about.

I don't hear enough like genuine, you know I like celebrating people. I like celebrating ideas. I just don't hear enough genuine celebration of companies when they do. No.

please. okay. So are you right not about companies, but about capitalism? Yes, because, you know, you look at life expectancy two hundred years ago, and you look at IT now, and you go, wow, holy shit.

We did amazing things, right? So in what happened on last two hundred years, we went from dictatorships, more torch, democracy, wisdom, the crowd. We went from you surface and endure servants and a nobility that holds the land to more towards capitalism.

And boom, the crowd is right. Things go really well. The advances of medicine are amazing. And medicine, a great example.

So and on our show, I point all those things out, and I say, look, we hate the drug companies because of how they're catched the government, right? But we don't hate the drug companies are creating great drugs, that those drugs save lives to save my life. They save countless millions upon millions of lives.

So the right idea isn't shut down drug companies. The right idea is don't let them buy the government, right? So and and I know we get back into our instinctual shells.

So on the left it'll be, oh, we should get rid of all billion's. why? Like how does that fix the system? Tell me how IT fixes the system.

And i'm all years right on my solution is and private financing, then you will be a billion at all. You like you can buy the government, right? That's a more logical way to go about IT.

I've never worn and eat the rich shirt and IT drives me crazy. I'm like you would eat. left. D, R, and F, D, R is the best president, most popular president, in my opinion. And so, no, there is wonderful.

Rich people, of course, of course, is a range of humanity, right? But you don't want to get really rich. You don't want to get rid of companies, but you also don't want to let them control everything.

So okay, i'll give you an example that's really and that informs us a lot of how I think about things of which is my dad. So my dad was a farmer in southeastern turkey near the syrian border. No money.

In fact, his dad died when he was six months old and he and so they were settle with dead and no tricity in his house like as poor as poor gets and he want of living the american and so how do you do that? What what made the difference ah what what made the difference is opportunity, right? So i'm a populous because my dad was in the masses, right and and elites say the masses are no good.

We're smart, you're not we're educated you or not um we marry talk, so we talk about that we have earned merit. And if you are a poor middle class, you have not earned merit. Okay, you're useless and worthless, and I hate that.

So what did turkey do back in the ninety sixties that liberated my dead? They provided free college education. You had to test into IT, okay, but the top fifteen percent got a free college education at the best congees in turkey.

So and my uncle saved all of our lives when he came to my dad and said, do you like working on this farm? Oh, my does like fucking now, right? It's superhot.

It's super heart. Is is they got to get up about four in the morning. If they're lucky, the family next store gives them a mule. If they're not, they going to Carry the ship themselves.

Okay, he's so my uncle told him, work justice hard in school and you'll able to get a house, a car, pretty girls, to set up. So my dad works is as of guessing the school. And he comes out of mechanical engineer and start his own company.

He creates a company in turkey, highs hundreds of people. He then moves america, creates a company here, I res tons of people, right? So do I hate companies? Oh, my dad set up to companies and and I saw how much should benefit people.

I saw how much employees would come up to my that twenty, thirty years later in the street and hugging. And they tell me, as a Young kid, your dad, the most fair boss we ever had and we love him for, right? That's how you're run a company.

And he taught me the value of hard work. But the reason I brought up here is because he taught me, look like skill and ability is a genetic lottery. So you're not gonna just get the rich to win all the genetic lottery.

No, there's going be tons of poor kids and middle ass kids who, or just as good, if not Better, you have to provide them the opportunity. The fairy chance to succeed. You have to believe in them. So this isn't about disempower ing anyone. It's about empowering all of those kids who are doing the right thing or smart and want to work hard so they could build their own companies and add to the economy .

what what in general, your view on meritocrat. So I love meritocrat.

I wish that we live in a meritocrat, and I want to drive towards living in a mattock acy. So that's why I don't like equality of results. So, okay, now people that are on the left, we get super matter than go.

What do you mean? Well, okay, brother, let's say you're at work and you got one guy whose working as ask of another guy, let's go proud care are not going to do IT right? Well, the guy who work super hard has to pick up the slack.

Now he's working twice as hard, right? And now you want the same results, you want the same salary. Is that guy? No, brother? no.

He's working twice at four times, ten times harder than you. That's not fair. Fairness matters. I lived. We want up.

We're in the suburbs of jersey, but we went up in freehold eventually, and we lived across the farm, which is kind of man central jersey. That happens, right? And I was called fair transform.

I was like, I don't like this amazing, right? And I love that. That's the essence of america. That's what I want to go back to. So we've got to create that opportunity of not just because it's the moral thing to do, but because this also the economically smart thing to do. If you enable all those great people that are in, in, in lower income classes and middle income classes, you're going to get a much Better economy, a much stronger democracy.

So that's direction. So against baLance. But what do you think about D I policies, uh, saying academia in in companies so the movement as IT has evolved, where's that on the baLance?

Is that.

uh, how far is the pushing towards equality of all converse is equality .

opportunity OK. So now we in the right, so this is where we all rip each other apart and then the people, the top laugh their ass off at us. And we are fighting over transition.

Es, they're killing each other. It's hilarious and they're so busy they don't realize we're running the place, right? Okay, but less engaged.

Some people look at D, I and o, what I just gives me an opportunity, just like anyone else I love D, I and other person will look at you. No, that gives that says, you should be picked above me. And I hate D, I, right? So the relatives D, I is a little bit more complicated.

And so they got to go back. So first, did we need informative action in the eighteen sixties? definitely. Why all the firefighter jobs is south CarOlina, as an example, are are going to White guys.

All the long shine jobs in new york, eli, wherever you have IT are all going to White guys because that's how the system was. Yes, also in the north, right? So we now are in a civil rights areas.

We decide we're going to go towards equality, minorities. In that case, merely black americans had to find a way to break in. I'm not trying like if you're a long show man is a good job, you actually want to pass IT under your son.

I get your instinct. I don't hate you for IT, right? But we had to let black kids also have a shot out, right? So you needed in the beginning, but at a certain point you have to face IT out.

So when I was growing up, it's now to late eighties, early nineties. I hate A A firm of of action. And I have been principled on IT from day one. And to this day I don't i'm not a favorite reform direction. I said on the show all the type why i'm a minority, being a turk, a group muslim moment navius now but but journalist pm muslim um is certainly a minority in amErica and pretty much a hated one overall ah so but I didn't check off muslim or turkish or any ethnical when I applied to college because I believe in in a autographs as we're talking about.

But we don't really have a meritocracy now and so but so I can come back to that but but right now but so I didn't check IT out because I didn't want an unfair advantage um because I want to earn IT I want to to earn IT. So now i'm in law school and i'm hanging out with right wingers because at that point i'm in republican and one of the guy says to me about one of our black student going to colombia. He said, I wonder how you got in here god, that is the problem with a formative action.

IT devalues the accomplishments of every minority in the country. You have to transition away from IT if you don't. IT sets up a cat system.

And that cast system is lethal to democracy. So does D I go to foreign summit? Sis, yes, but is IT a bugging man that's gonna all the White jobs and make them black?

Trump, to say black jobs right and give minority so much power is set a no. The idea isn't to rob you and to give all the opportunity to minorities, the ideas to make IT equal. But as the pendulum swings did IT swing too far in some directions, yes, the left can acknowledge that, and the right thing, things can acknowledge that. Of course, at some point you've got to give a chance for others to break in so they have a fair chance.

By the way, we show obama had a good line about the black jobs and the the, the where someone should tell trump that the president might be just one of those bg jobs anyway. But what do you think the left doesn't acknowledge when? D I guess ridiculous, which is in certain places and in certain place, is that a large scale has has gotten .

ridiculous because people are taught, uh, to just be in the tribe there in, and to believe in one hundred percent like I got kicked out of every trial and the I might be the most attack man in internet history, partly because we've been around forever, and partly because I disagree with every part of the political spectrum, because I believe an independent thought in a minute, you vary a little bit, people go nuts.

And so the the far left tribe is gonna go with their preset ideology, just like the far right tribes. So for example, on trans issues, we've protected trans people for over twenty years. And the Young turks, we fought for equality, for trans people and for all L G, B, T, Q people for two decades.

We did that way before anyone else did when biden came out in favor of gay marriage. And twenty thirteen, we're like, this is comically late. So like we are all supposed to like congratulated in the year twenty thirteen to the even gabe, people should have the same rights of straight people. And then he had a partial obama to get there, right?

So on the other hand, oh my guys, if you allow trans women to go into professional sports, not at the high school level or professional sports, but let's say they go to m ma or boxing and a trans woman, I mean, that happens in boxing IT happens in M, M, A punches of a biological woman. So hardily that SHE kills her, right? So you're onna, step back.

transfer. Ts, fifty years. I'm not trying to hurt you. I'm trying to help you. You have to do bounds of reason.

So when I say simple things like them, and I say you give lebron and James every hormone blocker on planet earth. He still gone to dominate the W. N.

B. A. okay. IT would be comical. He might score one hundred points at night, okay? And they'll say a that s outrageous.

And they some have called me nac for saying the trans woman or that professional league should make their own decisions on whether they allow transmit or internet. So why they say that? Because they're so.

Besides, they think we cannot give an inch. We cannot give any ground if you give any ground or or nuts, okay, so we've got to get out that mindset. You're you can't function in a democracy and being an extreme position and expect the rest of the country to go toward to your extreme position.

So what do you think we are not, in a matter total? Sy.

so because of the corruption, it's so for example, but there is also remember, corporate media is the matrix, and they plug you into cable right in the old days. Now it's a little bit different because of online media, but especially ten years ago. And remember, we started twenty two years ago.

So i've been losing my mind over how obvious corp. Media corruption has been for decades now, right? But no one acknowledged that until online media are stronger. But one of the miss that corporate media creates is the myth of maritime xi. Not that meritocracy can't exist or shouldn't exist, but they pretend IT exist today.

So the problem with that myth legs is that IT gets people thinking, well, if they're already rich, they must have married IT by definition, so all the rich have married. And the reverse of that, if your poor middle class, well, you must not have married wealth. So you're no good.

We don't have to listen to you. And that's a really dangerous, awful idea. And so if we get to meritocracy, one day I would all be the happiest person in america.

But right now it's look here, I give you an example that I put in the book and and it's not as this other folks this youtube video, I can even quite find who they were. There was a brilliant video um and they say, OK, we knew hundred year race, but hold on before we start. Anyone who has two parents take two steps ford.

Anyone who has went to college take another two steps. For anyone who doesn't have bills to pay for education and more, take two steps, work and do all these things right. And then at the end, before they start some boy's twenty yards from the finish line, and a lot of people are still at the starting line, and then they, okay, now we're going to run a race and think I was right next to finish line wins. And they go to martek .

racy so that the chAllenge there is to know which disparately, when you just freeze the system and observe, are actually a result of some kind of discrimination or flow system, versus the result of a mattocks y of the Better of the Better runner being ahead.

That's right. There are some parts that are easy to sound black. So you know um if you donated to a politician and he gave you a billion hours subsidy, that's not very toxic.

So you fall the money. You can see the flaws in the system exactly.

And so and again, nothin ever perfect at any snaps shot of history, right? Or of the moment you're going to be at some point in the pendulum swing. But if you let if you trust the people and you let the pencil lum swing, but not widely, then you want to get to the right answers in the long run.

So you think god is woke mind virus that the right refers to is is the problem, but not a big problem?

no. So the right way drives me crazy. So look, guys, your instincts of populism is correct. Your instincts of anti corruption is correct, right? And I love you for IT.

And so in a lot of ways, the right wing voters figured out the whole system screwed before left wing voters said, I shouldn't even water because progresses and left when you have been saying IT for not only decades, but maybe centuries, right? But democratic voters, a lot of democratic voters, someone actually like this current system. Some of a lot of them have been tricked into liking this current system.

And the left should be fighting against corruption harder than the right. But right now, unfortunately, that's not the case. So there's a lot that I like about right wing voters, okay, but you guys get tricked on social issues so easily, right? So how many people are involved in trans high school sports?

And a girl who should have finished first in that track, they in race in the middle, inDiana finished second. First of all, this is the big crime. This is, and how many people are involved? About seven, thirteen out of a country of three hundred and thirty million people.

And you can see that that's a direction, right? So and every everything they did that is like, bet that the right wing media puts out there, they run after may talk across and doing insane stagings about m and m should be sexier. Mister potato head has gender issues.

Guys, get out of there. Get out there. It's a trap. okay?

Yeah, that doesn't mean that they doesn't mean there's larger scale issues with things like D, I. That aren't so fun to talk about or viral to talk about an an total scale. There is D I does create a culture of fear with with kind of culture in the IT. IT does create a kind of culture that limits the freedom of expression, and IT does limit the meritocracy in another way. So you you're basically is saying, forget all these other problems, money is the biggest problem.

So first of on aoc as an example, and I don't mean to pick on her, but he went through the great work of her and shawkat choker party and carbon trend and others who are leaders adjust democrats that went and helped our campaign. They were critical help, and we all told her the same thing that was not about me, me, me. And so we all said you ve got to chAllenge establishment and you've got ta work on money in politics first.

Because if you don't work on money in public, you don't fix that. You're going to lose on almost all other issues, but SHE didn't believe us because it's uncomfortable. And all the progresses that went in the congress, they drive me crazy. They think, oh, no, no, you're exaggerating.

No, these are in the minute they get in over my colleagues, right? Your colleagues hate you and gonna drive you out. You're a soccer.

And in jamo and cory bush, what they do, they drove them out marine oo and drove them out, right? And because they are not on your side, they're not your colleagues and want to happen to fifty thousand and one which and I remember talking to one of those congress sport people, I will leave out the name and saying, hey, you know, they're not going to do fifty nine in a way and it's like, oh, and you're out of the loop Nancy polo, I assured us that they are going to do fifty i'm like, I love you but you're totally wrong. Money interest are not going to do fifteen another minimal wage.

You have to start fighting now, right? And they didn't get IT, so they lost on almost all those issues because it's all about incentive and this sentence and rules, if you don't fix the rules, you're gonna constantly run into the same break wall. Now the second issue that we are talking about is, in the cultural wars, the rest of us are stuck between the two extreme two percenters on both sides.

So the two percent on the left goes, you know, if you're a White woman, you need to shut up and listen now OK, that's ridiculous. No, you don't. If you're White woman, you've every right to speak out. You have every right that every other human being has.

And so would I love for one, all of us, to listen to one and each one another, to have empathy for one another, and go, hey, I want to how right we are, things about this? I wonder how the right way? Or things about this, I wonder why they think that way, right?

I love that and I want that so I want you to listen, but I don't want you to shut up. So that two percent gets extreme. And I and I don't like IT, but on the right way, you ve got your two percent who think that that's all that's happening on the left and that's all that's happening in american politics.

And they think the entire left believes that tiny two percent right. And so they hate the left and they are like, i'm not gonna shut up. I'm not going to wear a mask.

I'm not going to do all these things and i'm not going to do and that's a freeze. And then a republican es along good. Oh yeah, that thing you call freedom.

That's the regulation for corporations because you shouldn't really have freedom. Company ies should have freedom, right? And then I freed for x on mobile. No, brother.

they trick you. Yeah, the two percent size in the useful distraction for, yes, for the corruption of the politicians via money. Still, what i'm talking about, the ninety six percent there remains in the middle and the impact of D I. Policy as on them. Yeah.

so here here's where IT gets absurd. I'll give you you a good example of absurd. So in .

in a .

school, I believe in california, they noticed that latino students were not doing as well in ap and honors classes. So they cancelled A P and on our classes, oh, come on, what do you do? Your at nuts.

No, your job is to help them get Better grades, get Better opportunity at seta. That's the harder thing to do and the right thing to do that your job isn't i'm going to make everything equal by taking away the opportunity for higher achievement for other students. If that's what you're doing and you think you're on the left, you're not really on the left.

I actually think that's like an authoritarian position that are no progressive in their right mind would be in favor of so but it's all definite. So here's another example of definitional communist like they say, oh my god, common Harris, a communist. When you tell them on yourself, brother, sisters, when you say that, that means, A, I don't know what communism means.

And B, I don't have any idea was going on in american politics. Commoner Harris is a corporatist. That's her problem. Not that she's a communist. She's on the other end of the spectrum, right? The the idea that comes has would come in an office and say that, that there's no more private property we're going to take all over your homes in the style of government property that all your cars is sera SHE was not going to get with A A billion miles of that her donors would never allow her to get with a billion miles of that. That is so preposterous that when you say something like that is qualifying like I can't debate someone who thinks that democrats are communist when they're actually largely corporate you see what .

i'm saying yeah so let's go there. So when people call her communist, they're usually referring to certain kinds of policies.

So do you think um I mean, I think it's it's a ridiculous label to assign to common hair, especially given the history of union editorialist century and what those economic political a policies have LED to the scale soften and IT just degrades the mean of the world, right? But is is to take that seriously why he's not a communist. So you said she's not a problem because she's corp.

Okay, but that that can't be okay. Everybody in politics is a corporate, almost almost everybody in politics, the corporate. But that doesn't mean the corporations have completely bought their mind.

They have an influence on their mind and issues that matter to those corporations there, right? Like you outside of that, they're still thinking for the voters because they have to win the boats. Very okay.

So let me give example. So you see what i'm saying. So if you were just wanted boats, um you do a lot of what tim was IT. okay. And and by the way, a lot of what bernie did, that's why bernie, who had no media coverage, went from my two percent in twenty fifteen to, by the end, about forty eight percent because he's just doing things that were popular, right?

And the american people wanted to set right, right, because he's not controlled by corporations, by the way, neither is tommasi on the right wing side, on the republican side, right? So it's not all that's why always say almost right. So if you're doing things that are popular, people love IT.

So today, what would common Harris do if you actually just wanted to win? right? So number one, SHE was trying to pass paid family, family right now.

Why opposed eighty four percent? And even seventy four percent of your problem is wanted. why? Because he says, hey, when you have a baby, you should get two ways off bond with your baby.

Right now, in a lot of states that don't have paid family leave, you have to go back to work the very next day, or you have to use all your sick days, all your vacation days, just have two, one or two weeks with your baby, right? So conservatives love paid family leave. Liberals love paid family leave.

That's why I pulled so high. So why isn't SHE proposing it's not in our economic plan? Till mos already passed him in a soto, he showed how easy IT was. If you want votes, it's and then you know, it's going to happen.

If you're proposed paid family, their problem is you going to go, no, our beloved corporations don't want to spend another dollar on moms, right? And they fall for that trap and then you're infinitely Better shape. So what is SHE do IT? SHE doesn't do IT because her corporate donners don't wanted.

Do IT fifty elemental wage lay up? Over two hundred of the country wants IT because IT not only gives higher wages for minimum wage folks, but IT pushes wages up for others. And what do the elites say? Oh, that's gonna up inflation.

You shouldn't get paid anymore. We hold us. So you're saying all other Prices should go up.

But only thing I shouldn't go up is our wages. No, our wages should go up. Okay, so these are all easy ones.

Here's another one, anti corruption. T why is he running on getting money out of politics? Oppose IT over ninety percent.

Why isn't trump running on IT anymore? He won when he ran out IT. Only success didn't mean a world of IT.

But he he ran on. And that was smart. They don't do IT because their corporate donors take their .

heads off if they. So in contradiction to that, why is he proposed to raise the the corporate tax rate from whatever twenty one percent is twenty eight percent?

Because that easy? Because that is something is super popular and she's not going to do IT, that's why. So so guys, this is this where I break the hearts of blue mega uh blue mega thinks, oh my god, these democrats, they are Angels and the right wingers and the republicans are evil and and they they work for big business but not come a hair is not your biden, right?

Okay, we're dont trump to the corporate tax rate from thirty five percent to twenty one percent. So that's trillions of dollars that I cannot transfer IT. Because, guys, you got to understand, if the corporations don't pay IT, we have to pay IT because we're running up these giant deficits and eventually, either they're gonna not eventually keep raising taxes in different ways that you're not noticing, they keep increasing fees and fines and different ways for the government to collect money.

So we're paying for IT. And on top of that, eventually they are going to cut your society and we don't have any options left anymore. Yeah, you don't have any options left anymore because you kept giving trulia dollars in tax as the corporations.

So we're gonna to pay for that. So then trump the binders, oh my god, i'm going to bring corp. Taxes back up to twenty eight percent on my way.

Hold on. There were thirty five usually did a slide a hand and said, twenty eight, okay then he gets in the office and mansion, says, no, twenty five. That's the high as you i'll go and he goes OK fine, twenty five and then while you're not looking, they are just dump IT.

They don't even do twenty five because still twenty one. So I hear me now, called me later. I do protection on the show all the time because you should hold me accountable.

You should hold all your pendants accountable. If you held all your pond's accountable, we'd be the last man standing, and that's what happened. Okay, so I guarantee you he will not increase score protection. Es.

so would the same be the case for Price controls .

or the n Price gouging of the .

Price controls and im wages controls also?

Now we're going get into a lot of minister, but i'll try to keep IT road. So Price controls are a disaster. They never work.

If you say, oh, here's a banana, has to stay at a dollar apple and make up a number, right? Well, supplying demands are gonna move, and then that's going in. So the minute IT moves to two dollars where the Price should be, then you going to run into shortage.

Just so we all know this is a bad idea, right? But are there laws against Price caging? They are already are, and they are a good idea.

So why, like you have a natural disaster of some, uh, the water that was a dollar, now their charging one hundred dollars. The government has to come in democratic capitalism. They come and go Normal to protect the people.

So you're not allowed to Price gouge. You maybe charge two dollars up, but you're not going to charge one hundred. But IT is temporary.

We get, we get that done. We ended the problem there. And then we bring back to a Normal supplying demand.

okay. So that's what she's proposing. That's all political because the Price gouging has already passed. They did IT in twenty one and twenty two. And so now the growth SHE stores are SHE low margin business SHE SHE says grow stores. That's how I know SHE doesn't mean IT because the grocery stores, one of the problem, consumer growth to where the problem yeah those companies.

she's following the polls where most people say that the groceries are too expensive SHE just basically address saying the most about other thing yeah hundred percent.

And you could tell in which proposals SHE means that in which proposals SHE doesn't because of the of the framing, right? So this is a mediocre example. But in housing, SHE said we have to stop private equity from buying a housing book.

My, my curious that they put the word in bulk there. Why does that have to be in bulk? Why don't we just stopped them from buying any residential home? Like you could set up Normal boundaries, right? For example, charly kirk was on non turks this week.

But like that tension, I really enjoy the conversation. I really enjoy that you talk to. That was like civil.

You guys disagreed pretty intensely. But like those a lot of respect, I really enjoying that. thanks. I was like, that was beautiful here. You and Charles kirk, and I think .

animals there. So nice. yeah. Quick tangent. And look, I i've done a lot of a yelling on, okay, and I I know when a there's a issue that you should be passionate about forty thousand people, twenty five thousand women and children, uh, slaughter in gaza.

If you're not emotionally upset by that, you think is no big deal. I think that's a problem. But when you add gas lighting on top, that will drives me crazy.

Then when you add phillip sterling on top, then that sets me off. So for all my life, rightwing is gone on cable and fill buster. They take up so much more time than laughing, yes.

And the left one guess always like, okay, well, he i'm offended. He is taking up too much time. No, brother, go the top.

Go over the top. You're going to talk over we want to talk over you. okay. So and um and then when you gas lighting, you go, oh no, twelve hundred people in israel being killed is awful, which IT is.

But forty thousand people being killed in goza is no big deal, should keep giving the money, keep killing, keep killing. And that that's Normal. No, it's not Normal.

I'm gonna let you say it's Normal. That's nuts. okay? When used like we were against the iraq war, there was only two shows that are on the air nationally or against iraq AR us and democracy.

Now with the amgen and and at the time I you see all, all the time because mainstream media would gas like the fuck out of us, we're going to be greeted as liberators. Me and bend mancos on the air. Bend doesn't yet as much.

He's now the host turn classic movies, but where he's sing in a long way, i'm singing in a screaming way. We're not going to be greeted as liberators. When you drop a bomb on someone's head, they don't greet you as a liberator stopping in same things.

And seven hundred and americans though this I M has said that personally, a tactics on nine eleven, we ve got light into that war by corporate media. Okay, now there's one, there's a couple of good things that trump has done. One is get people to realize corporate media as the matrix, right? And so now and get them to an anti war position himself as an, have an anti war position, but his voters do.

And that's a positive. We come back that. But these days, the reason why the charly curr conversations are going great and rudy, julio I and mike dell, and historically, that we've been go back again ten years, twenty years, we've always been respectful when someone comes on our show, and we have a debate as long as they are not yelling.

I watched a tenner of the host, right? You and I are having a reasonable conversation. I'm not raising my voice. I'm not yelling at you for no reason, right? So now when charis not going to battle anymore for like talking points, i'm shutting off my mind.

All i'm doing is the yelling at you, and i'm going to yell back out but now he's saying, okay, let's have a reasonable conversation great. I love you. I love reasonable conversation.

She's great, is refreshing. And um what we talking about you're buying up, buying a housing yes.

So charly when he was on said hate listen, you know, I think that there should be a captain. I forget if you said ten billion or one hundred billion in assets, if you have less than that, you should be still be able to do a real city as an investment, even if his residential, but above that, he gets you out. Okay, that's good.

No problem. You, we can have a debate about that when you figure out is the right number. Ten, one hundred, twenty five.

No problem. You could put in reasonable limitations. But, but we ve got to get them to stop buying their homes. So when commoner Harris says, oh, we'll stop them from buying homes in bulk, i'm like, okay, there's the looper and so they're going to use that loophole. And besides, which is not going to pass, wall street owns the government.

So there is no way corporate republicans and democrats are are about ninety eight percent of politicians are going to a limit private equity and and so when do we ever get a little bit change when democrats in charge, they do five to fifteen percent of their agenda and that's not because they're warm hearted is a released wealth right? Oh, see, under obama we get about five percent change. And what was that? That was obama care, right? That was most of the change that we got.

And what's the greatest part of obama care? And now I A lot of right wing also agree, almost all of right, and agree about this portion, which is they got rid of the a bias against preexisting conditions. Why did they do that? Particularly because the country was about to get in a fucking rage.

We all have preexisting conditions. If you deny me when i'm sick. What the fox, the point of insurance, right? And anger had gotten to a nuclear levels. So that really fell given a preexisting conditions. Let's go back to just milking them regularly.

And oh, by the way, put in a Mandate so that they have to buy IT from us, right? Do you know who originally came up with obama care? They heard his foundation.

IT was their proposal. Romney didn't in massachuset, which was called romney care. So I think this is a super important election.

But I were in the credibility to be able to say that because in two and twelve I said this is a largely on important election. Mitt t. Romney boracic.

Obama's policies on economic issues are near identical. Obama care was literally round me care right now. The left is all. The heritage foundation is so dangerous. Project twenty twenty five.

Well, brother, there are the ones who wrote obama and you say that's the greatest change in the world, right? So that's why the democrat, yeah, i'll take the ten percent change over all I think about is about fifteen percent. Obama did five percent.

But they're going to they also march you backwards by deregulating like clinton did and obama did. The bank bail us like obama did, but ten percent Better than zero percent. But it's not to help you. It's the release. Well, so the system keeps going .

is possible to steal, man, the case that. That not all politicians of corporates or or maybe how would you approach that, for example, this podcast as much as sponsors that I give zero fox about what they think about what i'm saying, I can have zero control over me um maybe you could say that that's because it's not a lot of money or maybe maybe i'm a unique person or something like this. But um I just think it's possible to have and I would like to believe a lot of politicians at this way that they have ideas and while they take money, they kind of see IT is a game that you know you accept the money, kind of go to certain parties, hug people and so on. But IT doesn't actually fundamental compromise a your integrity unisys, you actually care about.

I can still man almost anything I still man trump. I can still man conserves easily, right? Uh, corporate politicians is a hard one.

So first um there is not all politicians. We can start out nice and easy tommasi. Um now holy and gates tah not taking corporate pack money. Burney the squad they don't take over bank. You could disagree on either end of those focus on social issues, but generally they are a thousand times less corrupt or more honest uh, in part of the reason you might hate this quad is because they're so honest they tell you they're real opinion on social issues that you really disagree with.

A lot of the corporate litigation won't do that because they're trying to get as many votes as possible so they can for later donors when they get into office and do all their favorites for them. okay. But you see i'm already falling apart on the steal making .

of corporate variations as exam on if you take corporate pack money you're that are your corruption can you imagine yourself say you are a petition, you are for president um you're human being. You're a person with integrity. You a person who thinks about the world, you're saying if I was a copper packing and I give you a billion dollars, you still you do be I could tell .

you anything so likes the everything is a spectrum um humanity is a spectrum. Can you find outliers who could take corporate pack money and still be principled enough to resist this law? Yeah um and and I would hope that I would be a persons like that but I wouldn't take or perfect one a bit if you force me to uh I think I would still stay principle and do IT could you find ten, twenty other people in the country? Yeah but on average, that is not what will happen. What will happen is they will take the money and do exactly as they are told.

I think most people have integrity ay. okay. So what i'm more worried about is when you take corporate back money, it's not that you are immediately sold is overtime .

overtime that's true.

So yeah, I get IT, but I wonder if if the integrity that I think most people have can understand the gradual slippery slope of of the effective corporate money, which if if what i'm saying is true that most people have integrity, one of the ways to solve the effect corporate money is term limits. Because IT takes time to corrupt people. You can buy them immediately, and then the term limits can you should. For the listener, jane is shaking his head yeah now so look.

you're right that over time he gets way worse and as we talked about earlier, buying a great example that comes in anti corruption winds up being totally corruption by the end. Um and but he was also here for almost all of IT as we started in a world that was not run by money in politics and is now completely run by money in politics. So doesn't get worse over time. Cinema, Christian cinema, arizona is a great example that comes in as a progressive doesn't want to take pack money cares about first and at set up uh, over time he becomes the biggest corporates in the senate and a total disaster. But if you say that the majority of the politicians have, I don't know this what you're same majority politicians have .

integrity um no let's start at the majority of human beings. And I think that politicians are not they are not a special group of like the path. They lean a little bit to that direction, but they're not like only social path.

Going to politics is that you have to have some social path. Equalities, I think good to position, but is they're not a police social. They think they do have integrity because sometimes for vary selfish reasons is not all about money even for selfish person. For narsisi, it's it's also about being recognized for having had passed impact on the world.

Yeah but I get IT, but let's bring done. So first of human beings, that will get the politicians, do human beings have integrity? Well, as a spectrum.

So some people are have enormous integrity. Some people have no integrity. So there is not one type or character, right?

So some people have a tone of empathy for other human beings, and they literally feel IT like, I feel the pain of someone else, and i'm not alone. Most people feel the pain someone else. If you see a on video, a baby being hurt, an overwhelming majority of human beings.

So go, no, right? You have empathy. That's a natural feeling that you have.

Some people have no empathy because they are on the extremement of the spectrum, a sero killers and Donald trump. okay. And so i'm i'm partly joking, but not really.

He has never demonstrated any empathy that I have ever seen for any other human being. I'm going to trigger some right wingers because they think every terrible thing he said is out out of context, or joking, or not real, or fake news. But his chief of staff didn't make IT up.

He called the people who went in the military suckers and losers. why? Why did he say that if just hanging with me for us, I can don't have your head explode.

Okay, I saying like i'm saying to the right when he's out there, right? So the reason is because if you're like trump and you don't, you literally don't feel the empathy you think. Want to help what I go on the military, get killed for someone else, what I sucker? No, i'm going to stay out of the military.

I want to stay alive to make a tone of money, and i'm going to look out for myself. And he assumes, because everybody does this, you assume that everyone thinks like you do, but they don't. So trump assumes everybody's as much of a dirt bag as he is.

And because he doesn't feel IT, he doesn't feel the empathy. And so he's like that you'd be an idiot as sucks and allusions to go into the military have a sacrifice for other people. So you see the spectrum, even if you think trumps not on that end and you think i'm wrong about that, you get there are people on that, right?

So you have a special of integrity, empathy at sea, that's what I would call your hardware. You lay on top of that, your software, okay? The software is cultural influences. Your parents, media, your friends, all these are cultural influences. So now when you're in certain industries, they value more integrity.

So religious leaders, if you're doing IT right, which is also very rare, right? But if you're doing IT, right, you're supposed to have empathy for the poor, the needy, the whole flock, right? So that professional is incentivizing towards empathy and integrity, okay? And even then, giant amount of people abuse IT right? But okay, good in politics IT crazes centimos.

The opposite, no integrity. And that software, to your point, over time, get stronger and stronger and stronger until that takes over. Now you might have someone with a lot of integrity like tommasi, right? Republican from kentucky y and you, whether I agree with them or disagree with with them, mom policy, I get that the brother is actually doing IT based on principles.

And there is an any amount of money you can give time, macy, for him to change his principles, why he's on the principled end of the spectrum as a human being, right? So as berny, they're the same part of that that spectrum, right? But for most people, the great majority of the spectrum, if you overload them with software that incentivises them to not have integrity, they will success.

And now the switch to politicians in particular, why do I think that they're, on average, far more likely to be on the sociopathic part of the spectrum because of the incentives and disincentives? So this changes every congressional cycle. And when just democrats were waiting, a lot got all way down eighty seven and a half percent.

But on average for congressional elections, the person with more money wins ninety five percent of type IT. Doesn't matter t if there are liberal, conservative, republican, democrat or any ideology, they have ninety five percent OK. So now let's say you got to five percent that went in that are not hooked on the money.

Well, they're going to get in a primary chAllenge. Then they're going to get a general election chAllenge. And ninety five percent at the time, the one with more money wins. So eventually this system cycles through until only the court, almost only the corrupt life.

Well, that real ninety five percent. So if you have more money. Ninety five percent of the time you went, uh.

yes.

I'd like to believe that's less the case for for example, for higher you get yes.

that's true. You're right. So you know why? So the presidential race is ironically, in some ways the least corrupt. So let's dive into why.

If you're running a local race anywhere in the country, you're onna get almost no press coverage in congressional race. If you're running a senate race in the mild of montana, you're going to get almost no media coverage. So that's where your money in politics has the most effect because then you could just buy the airwaves.

You all spend the other guy, you get all as plus you get the friendly media coverage because you spot a couple of million dollars of, as in the middle of montana. So the local news loves you, the TV stations, radio stations, the papers. So some of the papers of principle, they might say no, but overall, they're not calling you radical, they're not calling you anything and you're buying those races.

But we get to the presidential race that's much harder because presidential race you have earned media, free media that overwhelms paid media. Perfect examples, twenty sixteen hill out raises trump t about two to one, but he loses anyway. why? Because trump got almost twice as much earned media as he did.

And the earned media is Better. It's inside the content, right? IT is definitely Better. So in a presidential election, as long as you got past the primary, you could actually win with not that much money.

And and that's part the reason why I have hope likes, because all you got ta do is get past a republican or democratic primary. And that was very, very, very difficult, but trumped IT right now. He took IT in the wrong direction, but he did get leave a blueprint for how to do IT.

And so once you get to the general election, you're after the race, you could do any gud anything you like, okay? You could be super popular. You don't have to give a shit about the donors you can get in office.

You could bully your own party and other party into doing what you want, and you get everything done. You even get money out of politics. So don't lose hope.

I mean, we even started Operation hope at T. I, T. And our first project was the knockout de now. And everybody guys are not that solely impossible. And we not buy now.

Alright, did we do a one, of course, that we are small part of IT, right? But we lay the groundwork for hope, and we laid the ground and work for when he flopped the debate. People had already been told, remember, he's bad, he's old, he's not right.

And debate proved IT if we hadn't on that ground work. And not just the on person, obviously, but EXO od and carvel and nate silver and ether klein at sea, Charlotte, the god john start. All these people helped a lot, so that when the debate happened, he confirmed the idea that out there that he was too old, couldn't do IT.

So my point is hope is if you lose hope, you're done for, then they're deffand's going to win, right? Hope is the most dangerous thing in the world for the elites. So whether you're right way or left, when I need you to have hope and I need you to understand, it's not this place. We just gotta get past the primary and when to turn this whole thing around.

They basically the presidential candidate whose populist, who were in part runs on getting money out of politics. Okay, well then let's talk about on trump. So to me, the two biggest criticisms of trump is the the fake electors scheme out of that whole twenty twenty election.

The fake electors scheme is thing that really bothers me. And then the second thing across a larger time scale is the the counter production division he's created in. Uh, as they are public discourse, what are your top five criticisms from?

Okay, so number one, I have the same exact thing as you. The fake electors scheme is unacceptable, totally disqualifying. So the fake electors scheme was a literal coup attempt.

So he doesn't win the like you for fox or note I I need to explain why it's a co attempt because you just threw out words and then people get trigger by the words and then they go into their separate corners, right? So the january six writers, they were not going to keep the building. That was not a good attempt.

Not like, oh, the mag guys have the building, I guess they win, right? No, that was never gonna happen. So what was the point of the january six, right? IT was to delay the proceedings.

Why did IT matter that they were going to delay the proceedings? Because if you can certify the election, they want a general confusion in chaos so that the republicans in congress could say, well, we don't know who wants so we're going to have to kick you back to the states. In the states, they had the fake electors ready.

And remember, the fake electors are not trumps electors. They both candidates have a slate of electors by intellectus and trump s electors. They go to the trumpet electors first in this plan, and the have half the trumpet actors go, no, i'm not going to pretend trump on the election when he didn't win the election.

So they are like, shit. Now we have had to come up with fake electors. okay? So they ended these republicans to go, yeah, I pretend to, from one, right. And so they sign a piece of paper that's fraud. And that's why a lot of them are now being prosecuted in the different states.

And so the idea is the republican legislature, legislators then go, we're sending these new electors in, and we think trump one air zona a and georgian was constant, right? That was the idea. That was the plan.

And then you come back to the house at that point, when there are two different sets of electors, the rule, constitutional rule, is the house decides, but the house decides not on a majority, because the democrat had the majority at the time. They decide on a majority of the states, they vote by state. And the republicans had the majority of the states.

So in that way you steal the election even though trump didn't win. You install them back in as president. That is a frontier assault on democracy.

And I loaded. And then trump on top just blab s out. Well, sometimes you, if there is massive fraud election, in other words, I think I won.

I don't even think that i'm just saying that I won, right? He says you can terminate any rule, regulation or article even in the constitution. No, brother, you cannot terminate the constitution because you'd like to do a fake electors scheme and do a cool against america.

Fuck you. Okay, so i'm never gonna allow this. Want to be tyrant to go back into the White house and endanger system.

And so you, anna, endanger the corrupt system on the guy. Okay, let's go get that corrupt system and terror down. If you danger the real system, democracy, capitalism, the constitution, then i'm your biggest heney's.

So i'm never going to take that risk. And you see you every time he goes to talk to a dictator. Look, guys, i'm asking you to be principled, right? I asked the left of that, and we drive away some of our audience when we do that.

So we ve got the boss to do that to our, to our own side. So for the right way, be honest, if IT was joe biden or brack obama or commonhold s that went and wrote de uncle love letters to a communist dictator who runs concentration camps, you would say communist, we know that. Look at that.

And trump literally says about kim jang on, we wrote love letters to one another. I fell. We fell in. No, if a democrats said that they're be politically decapitated, right, their career would be instantly over, right? But trust, whenever is jing paying vladimir pod, i'm I don't get in the russia rush russia but it's just that he's a strong man, right?

Uh a chemi shang won or any uh, Victor orban do territory in the Philipse anytime is a strong man that says, screw our constitution, screw our rules. I want total loyalty to one person. Chop loves them.

He loves them. He said once, who's like, oh, great. You go to north queen or china.

And when the leader walks on, everybody applause, and everybody listen to what he says. That's how we should be here. No, brother, that's not how we should be here.

You hate democracy. You want to be the sole guy in charge as a populist. You should lose down on track.

I in the fake lecture scheme, can you still man and may be educate me, the book rigged that that reading is there any agreed which the election was rigged or elections in general are rigged? So I think the book rigged, the main case they make is not that there's some a shady fake a baLance. It's more the impact of mr. Media and the impact of the big tech.

So rig is another one of those words that trigger people and is ill defined, right? So let's begin to define IT. So the worst case of right is we actually change the votes, right?

So a lot of trump people think that that's what happened. nonsense. That didn't happen at all. Okay, so then you move.

And by the way, some on the left thought the votes were changed in the twenty sixteen primary, and IT was literally ready against burning. No, that did not happen. Okay, that is a massive crime and is very risky and is relatively easy.

I caught. People who are empower are not interested in getting caught. They're not interested in going to jail.

Is set a IT is a very extreme thing. Could IT happen? Yes, IT could happen. Have I seen any evidence of IT happening in my lifetime?

Not really. Given how much people I hate this. You probably just need to find evidence of one time at one vote being changed where you can trace them saying something in summer somewhere that would just explode. Yeah, just that evidence just doesn't seem to be there.

And by the way, for the right thing who save, verify the vote, got dam right. Verify the vote right? So you want to do have different proposals like paper balls, recounts and recounts, which, by the way, you had another paper balls, but the three recounts on a hand, recount in georgia and so many these swing states, he lost, he lost, he lost.

There was no significant of voter front. Now second thing in terms of of ringing is voter fraud. So how in in the right wing believes, oh my god, for the front, every not remotely true hardish foundation does the study they want to prove IT so badly.

And IT turns out, no matter how much they move the numbers that finally where they got was IT happens zero point zero zero zero zero, zero zero six percent of the time. okay. IT almost never happens. I feel like thirty one instances over a decade or two decades. So what counts is voter fraud.

So a lot of times these days.

it'll be republicans who do IT because it'll be and it's not nefert's ous. It's a nuckles head. Who goes saying so I heard there they are having non documented the illegals vote.

So I vote for for me and my mom you know she's dead, but that's fair. They're doing IT. No, rather that's not fair. That's not at work. You're under arrests.

So what about non citizens voting .

so of this proposition, of course, non citizen shouldn't vote and they don't vote.

but there's not you don't have to prove citizenship when you're voting, right?

No, you do. I mean, so depends on what you mean by proof and when you vote, right? So you're not a lot of voters undocumented immigrant.

So that happens up front when you go like again, it's a hole mirrors like there are so many different ways to create morosely. So the republicans will say, well, when you go to the voting booth, they don't make you show a passport. Yeah, that's true.

But you showed IT earlier when you registered, right? And so and we can get in a voter ID laws as all sorts of things, but we got who will speed up the spectrum, right? So these things almost never happened.

Voter for what happens for super rally and not enough to swing elections. And by the way, sometimes if there is an issue, theyll redo an election, there is actually a process for that. And IT happened in north CarOlina because the republicans, that voter fraught in this one district, okay, and IT wasn't the candidate himself.

He was a campaign person and they did ballot harvest sting and then but ballot harvest thing again and depends on what you mean if you're just collecting baLance as okay, he changed the ballots, that's not okay. And so they had redo that election. So um now the real plate with place where IT gets rig is before elections.

And there's two main ways that things get right. One is almost exclusively no, that's not fair. I was going say republicans but democrats do IT to in a different way.

So republicans have come in like braying campus is a king of this in georgia. So he was against trump doing IT expose factor. He's like, no, you eat yet.

We don't cheat after the election. We cheat before the election. okay? So they're go well, I mean, you got to clean out the voter roles, everyone so on.

That's true because people die, people move, and you going to clean out the voter roles so that they come and ago, we will clean them out. Mainly black areas. okay? Oh, look at that.

There goes a couple of million black. Well, some of those, I suppose, our real voters, but they'll have to reregister and then they'll find out out on election day. And oh, well, now sorry, you could not vote this time.

Remember to reregister next time and so do they go. Hey, we're going to take a black people out to vote was no. What they do is we're having more issues in these districts, right? Here's another way.

They do IT how many voting boost you have in the area. So primarily republican areas will get tons of voting boost. So you don't have to wait a line.

You go in your vote, you go to work. No problem. You're in a black area.

Run in a, in a republican state of the sun. Hey, look at city while we sent you for voting booth. Oh, you got a million people there.

Wow, what are you going to do? I guess you've got to wait in line in the whole day. You can go to work at that. So that's .

the way I refuse to believe it's the it's it's only the republicans to do that, I would say.

So that's why .

I want yeah, that just seems too obvious to do by both yeah .

no other craters are so weak like they mainly don't do that. But they do do the third thing, which is jeremey. So both republicans .

and democrats favorite flavors of bug yeah. Of missing with the vote. okay.

yeah. So jar Mandarin is the best way to read an election. That way the politicians picked their voters instead of the voters picking their politicians, right? So all these districts are so heavily Jerry mander red that the income and almost can't lose. They'll push most of the voters into one district, most of the voters in another district because they don't want competition, right?

So there in your crew, they use the vote isn't rigged, but the district is rigged so that the incumbent wins no matter almost no matter what, right? So that's why we've got ten so polarized because the Jerry mander creates like ninety percent aces that are safe. So they don't have to compromise, they don't have to get to a middle.

They could just be extreme money either side because they already locked IT up. okay. So that's the number one way to read election. Now finally, the last part of this, maybe the most important, may be even more important than zero. And that's the media.

So I just have an R, F, K, junior IT happened to body, and twenty and fifteen IT happens to any outsider, right or left. The media, if you're an outsider, will say no radical. But number one, they don't platform you, right? So they're not going to have you on to begin with.

Nobody y's even going to find out about you. If nobody finds out about, you're done for, right? So bernie broke through that because he was so popular and the rallies were so huge that they could, local news couldn't help a cover.

Jesus Christ is, what are all these people doing? The middle city, right? And he slowly broke through that.

But do you know that in twenty fifteen, and he's doing this miraculous run against Hillary clinton, nobody thinks he has a chance. And here comes burney and he's almost at forty eight percent. This is he had seven seconds of coverage on A B C.

That year. They just will not put you on. That is the number one way. They 像 bobbi Candy junior said， at twenty percent in a primary, no town hall, twenty percent a giant number, right? And you're not going to do a town home and you're not going to do a debate.

Twelve percent in the general election, a giant number and general election, no towns, all no debate. If no one finds out about you, they don't note to vote for you, right? If they don't find out your policies, corporate media, rigged elections more than anything else in the world.

Now this is something you've been a bit controversial about, but the general sort of standard belief is that there's a left leaning bias in the mystery media because as I think study show, a large majority of journalists are left leaning and then that there is a bias. And big tech employees of a big tech companies from search engines to social media are left leaning. And there that's a huge majority is left leaning.

So the conventional wisdom is that there is a bias. Those those left yeah. So do you think first of all, I think you've argue that that's not true, that there's a bias uh, in the other direction, but whether there's a bias and how do you think that how big of an impact that has on the result of the election?

okay. So let's bring that down. Tech media totally different. So let's do media person will do tech so on, uh, mainstream a corporation, dia.

And I actually think that righting media like fox news is part of corporate media. They just played good cup, bad cup. And so in in that room, the bias is not right or left except on social issues. Okay, so and that's where the image comes from on social issues.

Yes, the media is generally on the left and right way, sorry, but like this started in the one thousand nine hundred sixties and the right wing got super matic mainstream media saying that black people were equal to White people. That's not the case anymore. Okay, right?

When calm down. I'm not calling you all races, but in the ninety sixties, where the racism was a racing, of course, of course, they would even like black kids into the schools, right? Massive segregation in the south, but a lot in the north as well. And at that point I may stream me as as well I mean, they are citizens.

They should have equal rights and the right wing goes bias okay yeah mean, you're kind of write IT is a bias IT is a bias towards equality in that case um but that is perceived as on the left now fast words today, you don't have that on the racial issues as obviously much as as you had to back then but on gay marriage that existed for a long time where the media like well the kind should have the same rights as straight people right and the right way went bias, right? So okay, you're kind of write about that. But at the same time, I would argue their position is correct, right? So but can they go too far? Of course I can go too far, okay now, but that's not the main deal guys.

That's to destroy active the main deal's economic issues. And again, we say ahead of time and you could see for right or all right so we will tell folks when we yet to an economic bill, you will see all the sudden the guys who thereafter ally disagree fox news and M S N B C. Close ranks.

And you just saw what happen with Price scouting that issue, Price gouging over sun. There's a lot of M S N B C hose CNN hose washing ing a post rice and opt against IT and everybody panis. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You can't control anything a corporation does. This is wrong. This is wrong, right? Or what happened? I thought you guys were hated each other of the sun.

You totally agree. fascinating. okay. Same thing happened on increasing wages.

When they were talking about increasing the minimum wage steffani e rule giant screen against the on M S MBC all the some fox news that m sbc. Agree, right, do not touch beloved corporations. So now that gets us to our real bias.

It's not left to right. It's pro corporate for all the reasons we talked about before, corporate media, corporate politicians. So if you don't believe me today, whether you're on the right or the left, watch next time and economic issue where they fall.

How do they react when anytime is a corporate a issue? Where does the media ago, right? So that's the real bias of the media. And so since the real bus to the media is the pro corporations, that is not a left wing position, that is consider more of a White wing position.

I even think that's a missing because to be fair to rightwing voters, they're not pro corporations, they're not pro big business, are not pro corruption, but the republicans litin ans are. So this frame is a right wing issue, right? So if you think that they that the corporate media is too populist, you just don't get IT.

Aren't they? Aren't they hate populism? So now when you turn to tech, so text a complicated one because yeah, people write the code if their left wingers, they going to have certain assumptions and there they might write that into the codes of the rules.

And so but they're also, generally speaking, wealthy. They're usually White, they're usually mall and those buses also get go in. And there's a lot of people on the left who objected that bias, right? Okay, but that's a fair and interesting conversation.

And when we have to be careful love and when we could find a hopefully find the middle ground that but that's not the major problem. The major reason why big tech gets attacked is because they are competitors of who social media competes with mainstream media. So mainstream media has been attacking big tech from day one, pretending that is a they're really concern yeah they are really concerned because that's their competition.

They're getting their as hand too. So I did a story of the Young turks about sana article about all the dangers of social media. And my guys, this is written by their advertising department. okay.

And the adverse the in fact, they go to the advertisers and they find a random video on youtube or facebook right out of billions of video and they're like, look at your ad is on this video. Do you denounce and reject every big tech company and every member of social media and advertisers like, check? Yeah, I do.

right. Meanwhile, they are doing milk of ireland. TV.

no. And I know .

that there is literally a show that came out recently where it's moms and their sons and they fuck each other. H.

wow.

okay. They don't. They don't have sex with their mom. They have sex with a different mom or day date.

But then the shows on, then they go off and their corner at sea, right? I'm like you're doing this kind of like the worst degrading, ridiculous, immoral programing. And then you found a video on youtube that as a problem, get the fuck out here. You're just trying to new .

cap your competition. Let's talk about the the sag of joe biden. So over the past year, over the past few months, can you just throw a wine where where have you maybe tell the story of, uh, joby, as you see from the election perspective?

yes. So about a year ago, I am looking at the polling. And first of all, I have eyes right in years.

So whenever I see bite them like this is a disaster. And then I go and talk to real people. And when I say real people, I mean, not in politics.

That's not their job, right? Because people involved in politics for media have a certain perspective and is covered by all the exchanges in major or media social media center. Real people aren't on twitter having political fights.

They're not watching CNN religiously. Ea, whenever I was at a barbecue, you guys all democrats and some barbecues. yeah.

What you guys think is, joe, by, like, almost in unison, two old. Every real person said two old. So I look at what real people are saying.

That's why I thought trim was going to win in twenty sixteen. I go to the ohio. I can see a hill clinton IDE for hundreds of miles, right? Is trump para a everywhere? right?

So that's not, and all be all you can say sanea total. But you begin to collect data points, right? But then the real da points are on polling, okay, so i'm not going to buy in polling.

He's in the thirties. No incoming in the thirties has ever come back to win. So i'm like it's already over then of a sudden, oh my god, trumped kes the lead with latinos.

It's double over by the later in the process, trump took the lead with Young voters. I'm like, this is the most over election in history. A democrat cannot win if they're not winning Young voters, that's impossible.

Trumps cutting into his lead with black voters. This thing is over, right? And what I go tell people they are like, you're crazy.

Why do they think i'm crazy? Because msm. C is lying to them. Twenty four seven, telling them that joe biden created slight spread and the wheel and fire.

And by and my favorite arian point was he's a dynamo o behind the scenes yeah okay, let me get this right. It's like an snl skit, right? I'm like, so behind the scenes, like, right. So I give me the member on that. And okay, we're going to do this.

And i'm comment on the material he goes for the and anyways, why would any politician do that? why? Why would they be terrible in front of the camera? On great off camera does not make any sense.

But once you get people enough propaganda and M, S, how you see created blue maga, right? They'll believe anything. So they believe that biden was dynamic and Young, and that he was the best possible Kennedy to be Donald trump, when in reality, he was about the only democrat who couldn't be done a drop.

So number one, I don't cosign on a bullshit. I don't care which side you're on. Number two, as you have heard earlier, I can't have trun winning IT endangering the country, IT endangering our constitution.

Is that a so i'm going to do something about IT. And so I start something called the Operation hope on the own turks. And we ask the audience, what should we do, right? So there's different projects in Operation hope.

And but the first project that pops up is knock by now the race. okay. And so then I ask our paying members on T, Y, T. I say, guys, you're gonna vote and then i'm going to do what you tell me to do.

If you say, no, I like biden or I think biden is the best candidate or even if he isn't, we're going I going to be able to win on this. So don't do IT right. Should I enter the primary against biden? Okay, seventy six, twenty four, go, enter, right?

I'm a populist. You tell me to go. You're my paying members, your, my boss.

I want to go. okay? So I enter the primary now. I'm not born in the country, so people are going to freak out about that.

I'm a talk show host like the established media despises me, right? So i'm not going to get any other time. In fact, we consider hiring the top booking agent in new york.

We taught him and he says, well, you know, i'm actually you in new york this week and he says, I want to go talk to those guys and i'll come on, come back to you and he was really decent because Normal, you know, changes a lot. Just take the money right and go, yeah, i'll get you out but is wonderful guy he said, I talk to them. You're band so don't don't do IT like you're not your band is C N N your banded M S N B C.

And I think you're ban on fox, but i'm not sure. Okay, so so long odds, why do you do IT? Because if you think we're going to crash into the iceberg, you might also bomb rush.

The captain scores, right? I'm launching at the wheel. So what difference can I make? Well, I can make a difference by going on every shown planet earth and going, he's too old in the thirties.

He has no chance of winning. No chance winning. I go on charley show breakfast club, right? Charley man degrees over somewhere, having buz.

And then people go, oh, charley said he has no chance of winning. Then Charlotte, on the daily show tark to john steer. John steer does a second IT.

This is an necessary causes, but buzz building, right? So then joe sr. Does a signal, if you remember. And people got super pissed at him. Two old can't win an on that buzz building.

Meanwhile, unrelated to us, David extra, don James carvel and am like guys figure IT out who does exod d speak for the top advisor for barrack obama, who is James carvel, the top advisor for the clintons? This is the clinton and the obama sending their emissaries to say, we can read a poll. He's going to lose change direction.

So when the debate happens, we laid the groundwork. If we hadn't laid the groundwork, debate would have been the first time. The blue maga would have thought, oh, maybe biden can win, right? But since all of us said in and strange bedfellows, I load the Nancy pelosi, but he was on our side.

I got a lot of issues with bill marr. He was on our side, right? I got a lot of issues with x rod and carvel, and they were on our side.

So the people who believe in objective reality kind of independently made a plan, let's show people objective reality. And we did, and we drove them out. And IT IT made all the different.

So you think he stepped down voltore ily. He forced .

out both. So again, that depends on what you mean. So was he forced out? Of course he was forced that you think you just walk was like, yeah, you know what screw might like? You see, I don't want to be a tutor and president. I'd just drop out for noise. Now we force them out.

Of course we did, right? And when I say we add a tiny, tiny, tiny role, the people who are the major roles close's obama and all those folks but even they were not the main uh, driving force, the number one driving force war of the donors what is the source of power of bernier, macy, the people, right? What is the source of power for biden, the donors? The donors made biden.

He is the donors candidate and the donors. That's why he told the donors nothing will fundamentally change that that you can if you say likes no jank, I think you're too extreme that biden works for the donors ninety eight percent. I don't think he only works for the a eighty percent or fifty five percent fine.

We could have that debate, but you can't argue that IT isn't his source of power. And you can't argue anymore even if you're gona argued earlier because once the donors said without giving any more money, he didn't have any options. He couldn't.

He couldn't go on so but was he force at at like knife point or something? No, so was a volunteer. Yet ultimately, if bind decided to stay in, there was nothing we could do about. And so he had to voluntarily make that decision. But he voluntarily made IT because he had no choice left.

Yeah, I wish he stepped down voluntarily from a place of strength. So I think, I think presidents, I think politicians in general, especially the highest levels, want legacy. To me, at least one of the greatest things you could do is to walk away from at the top, I mean, George washington, to walk away from power is, I think, university, you are respected, especially if you had a good piece to go with IT. You do IT really well, not as some kind of cynical or calculator, some kind of transaction away, but just like is a great leader and maybe be a little bit even more dramatic than you need to be in doing IT. Yeah, I thought, I thought I would be a beautiful moment and then launch a some kind of democratic process for electing a different option.

None only did I agree with you one hundred percent. I reached one of the his top advisers, one of guys you see in the press all the time, as in, is. In his inner circle I never said that before because we were in the middle of IT and i'm never going to betray anyone confidence and i'll never say who IT was okay, but he was gracious enough to to meet with me as I was about to enter the primary.

And look is smart too, because get information, intelligence and sea. Is this guy going to be trouble or not trouble, right? But at least he took to meeting.

And the case I made is exactly the way you just said, lex. I said, if he drops this about ten months ago. I said, if he drops out now they build statues of them, right? The democrats, if you, you're right, you hate them. I get IT.

But would the democrats, what has said? He beat trump and protected democracy in twenty twenty. And he steps down graciously now to make sure we beat trump again in twenty twenty four. And he lets go of power voluntarily.

You is gonna a hero or an absolute oh, but if he does not, you're onna force all of us to kick the living crap out of and tell everybody he's an egomania acquis and he's doing this for two so that he could be, if you don't know washington in that bubble, if you're a one term president, you're a loser. If you're two term president, you have a legacy in your historic he's running for one reason, one reason only. My legacy.

Y I will be a two term president. I will be considered history. My brother, now you're going to be considered the villa, the villa of the store you're handing IT right back to trump.

You're not gonna win. And you know, look at the numbers, any political professional knows you're not going to win. So you have hero, villain and you get to choose.

But if you think you're going to be a hero and be trump, that is not a choice you have. That is not going to happen. And they didn't believe us, but by then they did.

When you troubled by the how common Harris was selected after he step down.

yes and no. So I argued for input convention. And so if by has stepped down when we were trying to get people into the primary, not amount, then that would, that would be a perfect solution.

Then all the governors could go in was the sheer whitmer cma harassed es in. Obviously, they have a real primary at that point. Me, at later, dean phillips came in.

Me, dean and i'm marwan. Drop out. Me and dean would definitely drop out because our whole point was get other people on the race, make sure we went right. So okay, then you would have a great primary IT would have been the right way to do IT.

Both morally, you don't constitutionally eta, but also as a matter of politics, because you would have done a lot of coverage for your Young, exciting candidates and you would have legitimized the idea that you're protecting democracy. Okay, so that didn't happen because of biden. IT is what IT is.

So now when buying drops out, at least to a vestige of democracy, go to the commission and do what is designed to do, which is pick a candidate as your kin. Made a great case for this in new year times podcasts. He did that, made a huge difference, and he was great for doing that.

So I believe an open invention, but I know democrats that love to annoy because they don't trust the people so they think the elites are genius, don't work. You will pick the right candidate yeah I remember when you pick tailor clinton and that work out right? And I remembering you said joe biden was canada and twenty twenty four.

How that work I do not annoy, right? So but in the end, they didn't. So what happened was bad as the first announcement ment, he either forgot or on purpose didn't put cma Harrison there. So there's all this cuban now.

Now I don't like each other, okay? And by been screwing all over the entire she's time she's been vice president so he doesn't put her in original statement and i'm like, wow, I do like video dia, not in the statement right in the middle of my video they put out a second one, go OK gay, find common hair, right? Because that's too much for the president.

Not think he was really like somebody like restoring into the room. I said, you absolutely must.

I don't know, I wasn't there, but probably right. Or they planned, I don't know. But the bottom line is IT was glaring that he didn't put her in the first letter.

Okay, so he had to put her in the second one. Fine, no problem. But obama polo sean humor did not endorse come a harse.

That's huge. Normally the democrats would all endorser and would all say she's annoying to shut up everybody. And the mmc would scream, shut up, shot up.

She's annointed, right? But they didn't do that. So then calmly, Harris had to win over the delegates. And I thought he would win them over in the convention. But SHE locked them up in two days. And I know because I know delegate because I ran and the delegate call me saying she's on she's getting on a zoom right now with us, right? SHE went to all the states and worked her ass off and locked up enough delegates to get the to get the nomination to you.

Yeah but come on. It's the by dorst.

of course.

So why then of course, why not say sort of layout, walls and superior and common hair and the options say, let's look at least the first sale of democracy, of democratic process.

There's what should happen and what is likely to happen.

So should buy not have endorsed yeah of course I think ban should have done the same thing as obama poli and not endorse and say, hey, we're love to have a process where we figure out to the right nominee is and at that point i'm really worried about commons because she's doing word cells non stop, right? So i'm like don't make the same mistake we did before and just pick someone out of I had test test them. You get stronger candidates when you test them.

The authority and nature of the dnc drives me crazy. They don't believe in testing candidates. They don't believe in letting their own voters decide.

And look, when we were in the primary, they cancelled the floor d election and and they took meet dean and marian ofthe balin north carline intended sy and my guys, if you're going to make a case for democracy in the general election and you cancel elections in the primaries, do you not get how ridiculous you look, how hypo critical you look? right? So I didn't want them to bind to endorse anyone, but i'm shocked that they did all endor.

Circ is Normally what happens as they all endorse. So IT bottom ine likes is, did SHE like earn in a perfect system, not even close, right? But did he earn IT enough in this imperfect way, where at least SHE showed some degree of competence? That s wage my concerns? yes.

So because a Normal democrat would bundle that, they wouldn't go talk like hilly clinton wouldn't to talk to the delegates. SHE would assume that she's the queen and that they would all bow their heads, should you know. So the fact SHE did elementary politics correct for democracy.

I get big win. IT just really frustrated me because IT smell of the same thing of fucking over bernie in twenty, fifteen, sixteen and R, F, K, just the annoying aspect. Now they seem to have gotten lucky in the situation that is very possible.

The common haris would have been selected to a democratic process. But I have to say listening to the species that dnc walls was amazing, uh, superior, was really strong and coma actually was much Better as compared to hurt IT as a candidate previously. But person, you don't think you would have been the result of a democratic process.

So you don't often give your opinions. But when you give the opinions, I actually agree ninety, like a huge percentage of the time in this conversation. So I fought for superior in the primer and when he was trying to pick for a VP, because I thought there's no way she's going to pick walls his way to not just progressive, but more important populist, right?

So I didn't think she'd go in that direction. And SHE pro actually did a bunch popular things in pensive ana. That's part of reason why is so popular in pensylvania.

He looks like a smooth talking politician, but his actors are pretty good. And so superior was great. Walls was great. The obama's are legendary.

Even clinton, in that is, advanced age, makes horrific points in a speech where you go down that once hard argue with, right? And so they all, i'm shocked at the companies of the dnc, shocked at IT, but of all those legs. So you can give a good speech and obama's give a mean speech.

But I saw obama's president, you know, he didn't deliver on that. So but the one guy that stood out IT is walls. And the reason is because he's a real person, yeah.

real person. popular.

We all got to work towards picking the most genuine candidates. So here on the right wing side, for example, I would prefer a margey tailor Green to a mission macao anyday. Marge tailor Green is genuine.

SHE might be genuinely not, so I don't agree with her. SHE might be even more right than others, but I believe that SHE means IT. And i'll take that any day over a fraud corporates like mitch ono, who's just going do what is donors command of a meta.

I gotta because I also burning, still got IT. Hello, bernie. I always have.

I enjoyed his. I thinking, I still do IT. But I enjoyed his conversations with tom harmon. He is a genuine one like berne, even you disagree with him. That's a genuine human being .

yeah so just talk about .

that is IT trouble you that he's been fucked over in twenty, fifty, sixteen and again, twenty, twenty he seems to be and why does he keep like forgiving people?

Yeah so I love burning for the same reason you're saying because he's a real person, he's a populist. He means that and that is so rare in politics is I feel like i'm diogenes and I went looking for the one honest man and founded in burning. And so I did a video in twenty thirteen saying berny centers can be Taylor cleaned in a primer in twenty thirteen.

That video exists because why did I think that I, instead of any other corp. Politicians and the guys who were supposed to chAllenger and stuff, because populist and honest, right? And the countries dying for an onest populist, dying for right.

So love the brother. Now that doesn't mean that he's write on strategy, and he drives me crazy on strategy. So two illness of that number one, in twenty sixteen and in twenty twenty, for god sake, attack your opponent.

You said something about trump that I disagree with, uh, where i'm defending trump. okay? You don't like what you did to the public discourse? No, I don't mind IT because I would. And I tell you why. yeah.

Because at least he got a little bit past the fake ness like he's a one man and he's a fraud overall and he does everything for his own interest but at least he doesn't speak like a bullet shoting politician, right? And he's not wrong that you have to bully your own party to a mass enough power to get things done. And he showed that that's possible.

So the problem with the democrats is civility. So my whole life, you, I don't anything let's lose with civility, right? So for example, in debates, whether it's on TV online or whatever, democrats are people on the left.

They're always saying, unoffended, I never get offended. No, after i'm done, you're going to be offended. Okay, fight back, fighting back.

winds. And we couldn't get berny to fight back in twenty twenty. He was one state away. He won the first three states he crushed in to about a all we needed was south CarOlina.

But in order to get south CarOlina, we all knew everybody on his campaign, everyone who is in progressive media. We all knew you've got a attack. Biden, if you don't, they're just going to tsunami in the corporate media.

S, and the corporate politicians are going to run rock shot over. You have to make the case against them. And so two times, burning flinched.

One in twenty sixteen, in the broker in debate, does did the money that pillin take from banks effect or votes? And he said, no, of course, IT affected our votes, of course that did. You have to say yes, and you have to show IT improve IT the bankrupcy bill.

When he was first lady, SHE was totally in favor of the american people and against the bankrupcy bill because IT uh has the banks you can't discharge any deaths that uh creating you know credit card dead and bank tat is set a an awful bill is the one of the most corporates bills. SHE was on the right side as a first lady. SHE becomes a center, takes banker money, and all the sudden she's flips over to the banker side, say IT, perny for god sake, say IT.

Right then in one of the debates in twenty twenty, his team prepares attacks against biden. They're not personal. They're not like I you can sense by now if i'm in a political race, my objective is ripped other guys face, right? Yeah politically retorting ally. Never physically yes.

yes.

yes. And so but I would get IT to a point where they think I don't know if I am going to vote for jane, but I know i'm not vote for the other guy. Okay, so you gotta a do that if you want to win.

So they prepare this. He says, i'm going to do IT. He goes on the podium and doesn't do IT because he can't.

He's too damn nice. He just can't attacked other guy. That's the problem number, one of strategy problem number to something you love to.

So buying gets in an office. Berny thinks they are friends. They're not free. Bines just using him. So he used them to get the credibility.

And then he vista tes eighty five percent of the progressive proposals that berny put forward by and throws us away fifteen thousand and wage that was berny signature issue. Does IT even propose the public option dumps paid family for no reason? Angle on and on.

And berny COO signs on IT because he thinks season on alliance, he thinks spines on his side and he thinks we going to get things done. And to be fair to berny, like I said earlier, obama got only five percent of his agenda. Ast, and I got fifteen percent.

okay. So you're right, bernie, you got three times more than under obama. But you're wrong. That is not fundamental change. And with that fundamental change, recruit.

let me ask about another impressed speech. L, C, is possibly she's the future of the party teacher. President.

no. Uh, so I O, C, in my opinion, loser way and so which way so it's some .

talk about these .

things because people take you so personally, right and and that's why you'll see very few politicians on our shows because we give super tough interviews and the words on the street, right? Like don't get Younger, they'll y'll ask your super hard questions, right?

So the only couple do IT like roka does that he's brave when we're going into shouting much, just sometimes in the middle of bills and stuff, but at least there to defend his position. I respecting for the tim ryan a bit more of a conservative democrat when he was in the house, he would taken on any debate that so there's a couple of good guys that do IT, but generally they don't. So when this replace oc because when aoc is running, we do thirty four videos on her.

We get her millions of views. We found just democrats and and now launched IT on the show. Our audience, ryan grim, documented in one of his books are audience three is two and a half million dollars for those progressive candidates overall. And at that point, aoc and all those recited to leave, but said, they are all dinner.

Come on a yg turns makes sense I would too, of course, and some because it's the on tursi any media outlet and most media outlets, almost all the media outlet reject them, recover oc more than all the other press combined, right? And he wins for a number reasons. That's one of the reasons, but there's many others.

And SHE did a torribio job herself um SHE then takes joynt and carbon who were the showut was ahead of just democrats and corbon with communication director for just democrat then shower cot made one the most brilliant political decisions in arguably in american history he said he called me and he said, jank i'm gonna from had adjust democrats to running aos campaign and i'm like, well, the other candidate are going to get pissed and taking the entire enterprise on one candidate and i'm like, suka, i'm not in IT. I'm doing the media ARM you you're in in the trenches. You're the guy making the decisions so i'm going to trust whatever you say you sure and he said, yeah got i'm sure so him and carbon over to A O C campaign.

A O C then wins that macula win, then SHE hire shortcut to be her, achieve her staff. And SHE has carbon to be your communications writer. Within six months, they're gone.

And once they're gone, A O C then goes on and establishing path. Okay, because why were they gone? Oh, they insulted one of her colleagues.

yeah. That colleague was a total corporate and was selling out one of our policy proposals. If you don't call out your own side, you're never gone to get anything done. But if you call on your own side, you become personal on Greta and IT is super uncomfortable, and we couldn't get them to do things that were uncomfortable. Now she's going to find that outrageous and she's going to be very offended by that.

And she's going to point to a bunch of things he did that were uncomfortable and to be fair or SHE, SHE has he is until that species was pretty good on palace in when we desperately needed IT. She's pretty good on a bunch of issues corry bushed, that campaign on evictions, that set on the capital city that was great aoc's original sidin and closes office that point. We're all still on the same team.

It's a spectacular lar success. Me corbon shortcut t are saying due again, due again like that don't abuse IT like don't be a cloud and due every other day. But like when IT matters, you need to be able to chAllenge policy, right? And t in my opinion, he just got to a point where he got exhausted being uncomfortable.

It's like it's really hard. The media hates you and they keep pounding away and calling your radical. And you're destroying the democratic party. You're destroying unity. So whether if you go along all a sudden your queen and now all a son, the may treme O A O C SHE could be the process.

I mean, there's something agree to which you wanted sometimes buy your time and just like a rest a bit. And yes, I think for my prospect, maybe you can educate me. He seems like a legit progressive legia populist, a charismatic Young, like a lot of time to develop the game of politics, how to how to play well enough to avoid the bullshit. I guess he doesn't take corporate pack money right now.

She's still sure on that.

Um so as as far as just looking in the over the next few elections that who is going to be running and who is going to be who is going to be a real player, if you just seems like an actin, he seems like an obvious person that's going to be in the race.

So while I fight for the ideal, very practical. So for example, in SHE wins and then one cycle later, after twenty twenty, here's these guys who wanted to go to court force to vote. And I was on the speakership of Nancy pelosi and they wanted to use IT to get medicare for all.

Oh, my guys, forcing a vote is a terrific idea on the speakership. Okay, who's your alternative? We don't have an alternative already.

Giant red flag. okay. Um what's the issue you are looking to have them vote up medical for oh oh you don't know politics.

So I love medicare for all. We have to get medicare for all. But if you if that's the first one you put up without gaining any leverage, you're going to get slaughtered.

Put up something easy force of vote on fifty nine nine wage or pick another one that's easy paid family leave. These are all polling great. Because if you force a vote on that, you could actually win. And if you win, you gain leverage.

And then you do the next one and the next one, and then you do medication for not bullshit gradualism that the corporate democrats do, but actually strategically, practically building a power and leverage and using IT at the right times. So if I thought that's what A O C was doing, I would love IT, right? So I don't need you to force a vote on medicare for all.

I don't need her to go on some wild tangents that don't make any sense. That is only going to diminish your power. But when they evict, rated all the progressive proposals and build back Better, how did that happen?

Mentioned cinema used every ounce of leverage they had. They said, but just not going to vote for. I don't care.

okay? You know, the south school is perfect for my donor, so I don't need you. I vote no.

okay? Now take out everything I want and but did right? Progressives had to push back and say, here is two to three proposals, right? Not everything, not everything.

Two to three proposals. They all pull over seventy percent. There are all no brainers, and there are all things that job and promised.

We want those in the bill, otherwise we're voting. Now at that point, the mediates, what would have happened? Is the media would have exploded and they would have said, A O, C.

And the rest are the song of the earth. They're ruling the democratic party. We're not gonna the bill. They are the worst. You have to withstand that.

If you cannot withstand a nuclear blast for mainstream media, you're not the person because you that you have to go run that obstacle course to get the change. If they had stood their ground, they definitely what are won on one to two of those issues. Instead, they went with a strategy that was called, I was literally called trust biden.

right? So a big question, who wins a, who wins this election? Common or drop? And what's commons paths to Victory? And if you can still, man, what's trumps path of Victory?

yeah. So there's not enough information yet. So since I make a lot of predictions on air and then brag about IT unbearably.

people are .

always little stone in the streets. And I predict this, like predict my marriage brother, I don't know anybody. How could I possibly prevent something without having any information? So in the case of the, uh, this campaign, uh, right now I got come on her said fifty five percent change of winning okay, which is that bad?

Does me e's gona win by fifty because then that would be a ten point march that's i'm going to happen right? But I say around fifty one to fifty five, but it's nowhere nearly over because of a lot of things, one the democrats still seen as more establishment and and people hate establishment to if war brings out on middle east, which is now unfortunate, bordering unlikely, right? If that war breaks out, all bets off.

You mean a regional .

yeah like iran, israel gets to be a real thing, not just a pinprick in a little bombing here, in an assassination there. But now we're going to war, right? If that happens, then all bus are often no one has any idea who's going to win, okay? And if they're pretending that they know that's ridiculous because it's so unpredictable.

And then the third bogie for her is if SHE goes back towards south, so that so there's three phases of commons. Haris career, she's not necessarily any different terms of policy. She's you can frame IT in a bad way.

You frame IT in a good way. You can say, oh, she's just seeing which way the wind is blowing and then, oh, she's a tough cop prosecutor or and then she's doing just as reforming. You people want justice reform oh, she's a wolfer, right? Or you could paint IT as she's pretty baLanced, right? SHE prosecuted serious criminals very harshly, but then on marijuana possession, got them into rehab.

And you know what? That's actually what you should do, right? So i'm not talking about policy. So there you could have one of those views about common Harris and I get IT. I'm talking about state dialectically. So come on Harris until the second debate in the primary in twenty twenty is a very competent politician whose in line to be the next obama, right?

She's killing a district a turney attorney general, uh senator um and then the first debate, if you remember SHE one SHE had a great line about know there was a little girl on that bus that was integrating the schools and that girl was me and bind being the nuckles head that he is he's caught on tape going. Th, I don't have that reaction, brother, because because she's criticising his segregation was back in seven. So anyways, so she's doing terrific.

And then after that debate, until bind drops out is a disaster area for common house's car in the primary SHE starts falling apart. SHE can't if strategize right? She's for medicare for all. No, she's not. She's for medical for some.

What's been here for some, I don't know, right? And he goes in the next debate and tells a gavard, kicks her ass and then goes in the third debate, gets her ass kicked again. And he started to drift away then at this point, this is funny.

Um I have more votes for president than common harassed because come on, hair drop out before I because that's how much of a disaster her campaign turned into what he was leading. SHE was leading, right? So then he becomes vice president and biting, probably because of that bus line.

Jill biden caught tremendous feelings over that line. Okay, so binds like here have this albatross around your neck. It's called immigration. Good luck. I'm not going to do anything about IT.

I'm not going to change policy, but i'm putting you in charge of IT to get your ascended to okay, and he does. So that's a disaster. And then SHE starts doing interviews where she's like we have to become the change but the being, but not the thing we were, and unbecoming.

And you like, what is going on? Why can neither one of them speak? yeah. And so but then the third act shocks me. Spying steps down.

SHE goes, grabs all those delegates in a super competent way that we talked about earlier. And then he goes, gives a species on, you know, that species is good. Okay, see, another one, another one.

My way, way. These are good speeches. No more word salads.

Then he picks ten walls and shocks the world. Like, that's a correct V P. pig. Yeah, that is a miracle, right? And then he goes in those the economically populous plan, all those proposals about housing that people care about, grocery Prices that people care about, real or not real, that is correct political strategy. So this coming Harris is back to the original camila Harris, who was a very competent, skilled politician.

And as always, telling off line is doing whoever doing her tiktok is is like blowing up and they're doing risky, eggy stuff. Yes, I did not expect that from somebody that kind of comes from the biden camp of just like be safe, be boring on this kind stuff.

So you have to give common hair ultimate credit because she's the leader of the campaigners and he makes the final decisions. But there's there's apparently a couple of people inside that campaign that are ask kiker and there and they have convinced to take risk, which democrats never take. And IT is correct to take risk.

You cannot get the Victory without risk. So um the vice president pig was is the bell weather when hilary clinton picked him cane as that that she's going to lose because tim cane is playing prevent difference is his wallpaper I mean, he be lucky to be wall papers, just the White wall, right? He's just anyone.

He speaks his White noise. He never says anything interesting. The most born pkk of all time that's saying we already won.

Haha okay, if come on Harry head pick mark Kelly, that's the tim cane equivalent. okay? Oh, he's an astronaut.

And should that he's an astronaut, what is he saying? Is he a good politician? You have good policies.

Is he exciting on the campaign trail? Is he going to add to your momentum? Mark Kelly, IT might be a good guide, but number one is a very corporate democrat.

And number two, it's like watching grass grow is terrible of speaking. You asked me, right? So so I thought for sure she's going to pick mark because that's what a Normal democrats does.

Or if they want to go wild crazy, they will go, to be sure. So I was like, please let me be superior because he's at least not bad. He done some popular saying, any strategic, he's really smart.

I need smart candidates. Dumb candidates don't help. They don't have a mind of their own.

They can take risk. They're not independent thinkers. They're gonna lose. So SHE picks the smartest st most popular candidate bombo. We got a winner.

That's a good campaign. Speaking of risks, when they debate, when the camel and truck debate, what didn't heads gonna look like? Who is gonna win?

Oh, that's that close long hair. So yeah, unless he falls apart, unless he goes back to the baddie, right? That's rist number three for all .

I guess in a debate you don't have you can have free written IT seems like when she's going off the top of her head is when the world word salad .

times comes out sometimes yeah we will have to see to see really been chAllenged. So I hope to god that doesn't happen.

that he doesn't fall a party mean because I hope he doesn't.

But i'm like this is not really, but i'm too honest but but I am like in the context of common has probably shouldn't on the on tors we do a really tough interview and I would hurt okay.

you know, like it's tough but you're pretty respectful. Maybe I just have my set of like i'm OK with a little bit of tension. You're pretty respectful.

You're yelling as I can respect that you don't do like a gotcha type thing. There's certain things you could do like you said this in the past. You can see a line from the past that's out of context.

Ah IT forces other person have to define the content is just good, you know, sort of debate type tactics h over and over like you you don't seem to do that. You just like asked them questions generally and then you argue the point and then you also like hear what they say. The only thing seeing you do sometimes tough that you sometimes I can interrupt, like you speak over the person if they are trying to do the same.

Which limit .

is their film? Sy, but I think that's a tRicky one. That's um the right no but .

likes the problem for her coming on our show isn't that we would be unfair or is that we would be fair so we would ask questions. He is going to have trouble answering corp stuff, right? I mean, like so byan said he was going to take the corporate tax rates twenty eight percent and he barely tried.

You say you're going to take twenty eight percent. Why should we trust you? right?

You guys said fifteen thousand and and wage, and then you took him out of the bill. Why should we trust you? right? Those are very tough questions. She's never going to get that in mainstream media.

Mainstream media is going to have po toughness, but in reality they are going to be soft paws, right? And so the debates your right legs is is a little bit easier because sarpi and prove that you could just memorize scripted talking points. And he admitted IT later, she's like, super nervous.

SHE memorized the talking points and no matter what they ask, you just gave a talking point, which, by the way, people barely noticed, because that's what all politicians do. SHE just admitted IT. And so no, trump's disaster in a debate is a, he's a one man wrecking crew of his own campaign.

So any competent debate would a violate Donald truck. I mean, they just on any given topic when he says something like here, let's take a one lunate conspiracy theory that he just had recently. And by way, if you are right, when you keep getting hurt, every time I say he's a lunch right insult.

The trump don't like you. You sound like a left wing. You're, i'm offended, i'm offended, i'm offended.

Get over IT. Get over IT. Okay, so we have disagree ets here. What other side is saying? And by the way, I see the same to the left.

Okay, I say you, you think everybody on the rights evil, you are crazy. No, they just have a different way of looking at the world. Which body is an interesting artizan? We talk about that minute too.

But so I I do to both sides. But okay, trump says, oh, I there I don't think there's anyone at cma Harris rallies. All the pictures are A I.

Okay, so let's say he says that in the debate because these libel to say anything, right? You just say, okay, so you think every reporter that was there, every photographer that was there, every human being that was there, they're all lying. They have a conspiracy of thousands of people, but none of them were actually there. Do you understand how insane you sound?

So this is a good place to, can you steal men? The case for drop?

Yeah, yeah. So trump is a massive risk because of all the things we talked about earlier. But there is a percentage chance that he's such a wild card that he overturns the whole system.

And that is why the establishment is a little scare of. So if he's in an office here, i'll give you a case of Donald trump doing something right, something wrong first, and then something right. So he bombs, uh, solo mony, the top general of iran, and kills them that risk world worthy, that rist a giant war with iran.

That divorce iron is four times the size of iraq. If you're anti war, you should have hated that. He assassinated Solomon, but after the assassination, iran doesn't want to get IT into IT even though they're in a rage and they do a small bombing. You can tell it's a smaller, a big one, right?

So that's them saying we don't really want war, but for our domestic crowd, we have to bomb you back, right? And that's when the military industrial complex comes to trump and says, no, you have to show who's tough and bomb this area and trumps, no, they did a small bombing on a large bombing. I don't want to war. I'm not going to do that bombing. That was the shining moment.

yeah. For me, one of the biggest steel man for trump is that he has both the skill in the previous position to not be a warm logger. He, I think Better than the other candidates has has seen is able to end wars. And then you might disagree with IT, but in a way where there is legitimately effective negotiation that happens. Like I just don't see that any other candidate currently being able to sit down the land is important and to negotiate a peace treated that both are equally unhappy with.

So on the one hand, almost all other politicians are run to be controlled by the military industrial complex. And that complex wants to bleed russia dry. And that's what the ukraine war is doing.

It's a double win for the defensive contractions. Number one, every dollar we spend A U. Uh, send the ukraine is actually not going to ukraine, is going to U.

S. Defence contractors. And then they are sending old weapons to ukraine. The money is to build new weapons for us. So a lot of people don't know that.

So the defense contractors want that water go on forever, and they're an enormous influence of washington. The second win is their depleting russia. And russia has gotten them themselves into a quad mire like we did in iraq and afghanistan, and they're bleeding out.

So they, the military and their strong complex, once russia bed up for as long as humanly possible, they actually care more about their own interest, of course, than they do about ukrainian interests. So in fact, is a good argument to be made that ukraine could get on A P L earlier ah and we prevented IT. So but the bottom line now is probably how a deal gets done is the lack of three more areas in ukraine.

They already lost crimea that after like of three more regions and that is tough because at that point, russia is a little bit encouraged. Every time they do an invasion to get more land, they might, I get all the land they wanted, but they get a lot of land. So that is a very difficult issue.

But literally, which which person, if they become president, will end the war.

Trump will end that war because trump t will go in and he loves russia and put, anyway.

I just disagree with he loves russia the implication of that, meaning he'll do whatever put tells them. I think .

he'll ninety percent of what .

put tel I just disagree with that. I think. I think he wants to be the kind of persons that is fucked you to putin well well, pat on the back and being, you know but out negotiating.

So I don't want tell me about russia because there's so much emotions that go into that topic. The right wing, the minute you mention russia there like, oh, it's a hoax and all this baggage that comes with IT, it's a to me, russia is not any different than SATA arabia or israel. For trump.

You give me money, I like you. You give by my apartment, I like you, right? If you don't give me money, I don't like you.

It's not that complicated. So okay, take like, don't worry about the russia part of IT. Like the bottom is trump thinks, what do I care about those three, each of ukraine? I want to get this thing done, right? So he'll go and he'll say, ukraine, we're going to draw all help unless you agree to a peace deal with russia and russia once three regions, that's the piece still, that's IT. So ukraine will lose a part of their country and we get to a peace.

Yeah, I I hope not. I hope not. I think trump of seas themselves and wants to be a great negotiator. So and I personally, one, the death, the death of people to end, I think trump would bring that much faster. And I disagree with you, at least at my hope, is that he would negotiate something that would be fair.

He's not. His anti war record is so complicated because moving the embassy in israel and killing the top iranian general, or super provocative, and they could have easily triggered a giant war there. And then, you know what's gonna? En, if you get into any kind of real war, trumps gonna to prove his burdens larger.

So then needs going to do massive ridiculous bombings. I mean, I worry about nux. And so we had july oni on the show on on the R N.

cy. And I asked them this question. I said, now I keep saying so they wouldn't do IT if I was in charge. I'm like, what does that mean? Because this sounds like what that means is they wouldn't do IT because they know if they did that, I would do something insane like attack russia or use nukes and rudy said, yeah, that's what that means.

So that means you have to at least bluff that and you have to get them to believe that he's a mad man. That's the madman theory of nick on and next and the rudy said that two, he was very clear about that but the problem is, if you yet your bluff called and so if you actually attack russia, your gonna a start world world three. So that's why yeah if you could if you could just get away with bluffing.

Maybe, but he's playing a very dangerous game. And he massively increased drone strikes. On the other hand, he didn't bomb around further. And on the other hand, he started the process of withdrawn from afghanistan. So not black and White complicated record.

And one thing I argue, another piece credit here, I think i'm taking this still many too far but here the credit was that um he changed the reti c of the right wing they went from the party of dicky war is great ah and lets you know all muslims are evil and so he he ates muslim too but that's a different thing, right? But like we have to attack the enemy. We have to start wars eeta to now republican voters are generally anti war and hate.

Or i'll take IT, i'll take so that's a great thing that trumped even if he didn't mean that, even if he does these provocative things that could lead to a much worse war, even if i'm worried that he'll be so reckless, he'll start a bigger war. At least he did that right. And so i'm happy to have our right wing brothers and sisters join us in the anti war movement.

And and i'm not being a jerk about IT like I love IT. And and and and so this is another thing that left does wrong from time to time, which is if you agree with the rightwing or two percent, the buck or welcome in, come on over for trap. Come on in.

Yeah, what is warm? right? If you, if you disagree with the left two percent, they're like that that you're vanished in. You're anni.

Well, brother, how are you going to win election if you're banishing everybody? There is right. So hold up.

The israel republican voters are coming at your anti war position. Take the win. No, they're maga.

I won't deal with them even when they agree with you. That doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make any sense. Take the win. right? So when charlie kirk says yes to paid family, when Patrick, by David on his program says yes, roughly says yes to paid family leave, take the win.

F, K, junior, you said some positive things for a while. D about our jor. And I think you said you would even consider voting form given the state of people.

This was at the time when biden was, you're still in. What do you think? Bottom, what you think about our catcher as a canada is the person he's been on the show, right?

Yeah, yeah. So he was on our show. People love that anyway, you could check IT out anything right um and and why do people love IT, whether the right or left? Because we're fair.

We have actually asked him about his policy positions. He explained them. I chAllenge him and then he explains and we give a fairing.

But I I knew bob a little bit before he ran when he was an environmental lawyer and his legal work is excEllent um and and he's been on the right side of most of the issues for most of his life so A I like him on that two on his wildlife, the dead bear in the worms and all that stuff, right? So is too important lessons you should get about out of that. Well, ones just about Bobby 的， but other ones are general.

One is really important for you to know, no matter what you think of Bobby on the personal front, I A friend that's very similar. Doom, in fact, is one of my best friends and and I know why. This is my theory on why Bobby and my friend, or let a wildlife, both of their dad Young, died Young.

When my friend's dad died, he was eighteen, and his dad died in his arms, and he has a model. What is lived cannot be on lift. So if I had a great time, and I thought IT was hilarious to dump a dead by central park, then I loved IT, and I had a great time and nothing you could do about IT OK.

And sometimes i'll get you in trouble and sometimes you'll have a fantastic time, right? And and obviously obviously was killed when he was Young and maybe that got got into his head of like you Better live strong and and you live in interesting life and so I don't undergraduate that even if I migrated some of the things that he did in that life, I get why he did IT. So I don't hate him like other people hate them for some of those personal stuff, right?

So and I like him for all the things that positive holding a, you know fossil fuel companies accountable, protecting communities that had poison dumped into rivers at that, right? So the thing that affects everybody is when he gets like corporate media smear the hello of him and they didn't allow to speak. And then they did the needle in a hates that trick.

So whenever seen insider, they find the best parts of their lives, and then they amplify. So joe binders, average joe from string mother focus been in dc for the last fifty two years. You think we don't know buys and ears, okay, like average joe from scran, who are you kidding?

So there is a guy named fred thomson news, an actor, and use a senator from ten sea later. And he had this great little trick that he would do a red pickup truck that he would campaign went, right? So he looks like a regular show, right? But he, he is a millioned reactor.

But here's a funny part. He would drive to the red pick up truck in a lima, and he would drive back from the campaign event in elim's. But the press never reported the limo.

They only reported him in the red pickup truck as if that's what he drives. See, that's the theater of politics. why? Because fred thomson was a corporate republican, so they loved them.

So they go, yeah, sure. yeah. Red, pick up truck. Go, all right, talks right.

So but if you're an outsider and they don't like you, then they're going to look at the high stack of your life and they're going to try to find needles. So they've done this to trump. They've done this to burney.

They've done this to Bobby canny junior, uh, and with with Bobby, they're like wu, there's some juicy needles in here. Okay, so they find those and they go, you see this the only thing you should know about Bobby can junior is that he found a dead bear and put her in central park. Uh, we wait, wait. I've found another one.

The other thing you should know about Bobby is that he once said in a divorce definition that he had a brain warm, that, by the way, he turns out that affects millions of people and is not that big deal, right? But look, here is a radical h is this defines them completely, this spectacular case that actually happened to meet. So I ran for congress in twenty, twenty and the neurotically time sand, and they all potuit me with needles.

Okay, so they said, as long history of making animosity, jokes, what first? When he says jokes, they said, anti muslim rhetoric, I like I muslim do I mean, i'm atheist, but I grow up most of my families of my background, muslim. You don't think that's relevant in the story.

And they did IT based on one joke I told about and they saw also, of course, I they say that i'm an antisemitic that's like you start with that. That's just baked in for everyone, right? So they said I made a joke about how orthodox jews and muslims, they think they've getting into heaven a little bit of a fashion contest.

Okay, so they the also accuse SE goes. And there were the russian coast from the eighty and hundreds of the giant russian had, you know, the muslims going with their robe and the slim can happens stuff and gods looking around going, no, no, no, all nice south. Come on. IT.

right? Like you really think the creator of the universe gives a down you wear. Okay, so new york times took then said long history being anti semitic and anti muscle.

Okay, so this is this, all, this is a famous one. Uh, really believe I did a joke about be charity like nice a dozen years ago. Very nice. So I start out the jogger, ese and dry, and I go, look, is a horse.

Can I object if he's the one getting pleasure? Now and as my co host, she's Younger at that time and she's like, that seems like a bad idea you like? Of course he's not a bad idea, but i'm being dry.

But some people are laughing the studio stuff. And then and then I say, you know, if I was emperor the world, I would make that legal. And they cut the tape. If you watch the rest of the tape, I say, now with the horse subject.

So but they cut the tape so the new york is so originally right when you did that and then like establish control uh in that primary started putting out those tapes that everyone jack taper tweed IT didn't look to see if it's edited or not edited. The neuk times implied that because I was part of my agenda. This is so far to .

your wiki. The B G thing is party.

I don't know, I don't know. But guys, so in that in those stories, i'm not important. And even bobbi cando junior is not important.

What IT reveals about the media is what's important. So they're going to find those needles, whether is, and even if they don't have the needles. You know what? We'll cut the tape before your joke, a joke punchline, right? So we just run. IT will lie about you. Who cares, right? And so, oh, they also said that I had David duka to share his anti semitic point of view.

If you watch the interview, I told David, do you're an antiseptic, you're racist, you're a biid, you're an idiot, right? IT was a tough st interview he's probably ever had in his life, and other journalists got mad at that part and they were like, no guys, you just flat out lying like, guy, I watch the interview, did any? You watch the interview, he takes the guy's head off, right? And so the neuro times issued a correction on that one. So they're like, okay, fine. He was a even being sarcastic when he said, sure, you're not raised this, dave.

But the one of the sources of hope to all this is there is a lot of independent media now, but main street media has a lot of power still and cares a lot of power. You think they're .

onna die eventually. So two things about that that are super important. First of all, this is why I tell people to have hope.

I don't believe in false hope, right? So if you think common harses your night in shining our merges and to come in, she's going to money out of politics. She's going to ignore the donor.

Is that also just crazy talk, right? So I want my favorite commoner, Harris. I'm going to have to fight another day. I'm worried that trumps going on the whole thing and then then we're not going to have an opportunity to actually get a popular swing, right? So and i'm encouraged by some of the things she's doing.

Maybe he does even twenty five percent of agents, but i'm not going to give you false hope that shows your savior, right? But I believe massively in hope. And number one is is true to to the point that we're turn about early, relax and how last two hundred years have been choppy.

But overall, fantastic, terrible things have happened in that compare some of the worst things that have ever happened in history. But overall, life expectancy is higher. Everything is, you know, incomes are higher.

Health is Better at center right? So hope is not, this place is real, is empty. okay.

So now we talk about how you could get money out of politics, and that's illegitimate hope. But media is another place where we have huge hole. So of all the corporate robots, the most important robot is media.

So when mastery media has you hooked in at the back of your neck, you're going to believe all these fairy tales about how politics are nice people and they're trying to do the right thing and the money doesn't have any influence on that right? So once you unplugged from the matrix um well then you begin to see, oh yeah, hey, look, he took the door money to do what the donor's wanted. He took the money to do what the donor's want ninety eight percent of the time, right?

So then you see clearly. So now what's happening at large, mainstream media losing their power. And now online media swarming, swarming, swimming, swarming.

And so this goes back to why I started the Young terms. So let me touch on that here. And then we can come back to, if you want. So in one thousand hundred and ninety eight, I write an email to my friends and I say, online video is going to be television.

And unsurprisingly, and they say you're nuts that's never gonna en at that point we're still doing al dialogs site right the online video barely exists and televisions mamah um I say, guys, it's just a matter of logic like for me it's for so many ironies i'm known for yelling online sometimes but in reality i'm sess with logic so when you have gatekeepers, gatekeepers pick based on what they want, what the powerful one in nike's advertisers, politicians and set a they are never going to design programme as good as wisdom of the crowd when, uh, people start doing online video on my boom, there's no gatekeepers. This is democratized wish of the crowd going to win. So if you start with no money and let's pick a different example, not the in ter, let's say filled Frank, he's been around forever.

Okay and and he also does news. And so phil starts to in a show and he doesn't have any money and just like us. And so what is what do they have to do to get an obvious? He has to show that is really popular.

He's got to figure out away, how do I get their attention? How do I keep their attention? And he start stood in a great show, right? And so every year it's awesome, filled for best new shofar like a decade, right? And meanwhile, on backseat CNN, wolf bliss are still drowning on from a teleprompter.

You put wolf blitzer online without the force of cni with them he gets negative seven views. No one's interested in wolf fly. Say it's not personal.

I don't know the brother, right? I'm just saying especially logically a sera. So i'm like these guys are going to win. So when youtube starts, we go on youtube right away. We're the first youtube partner.

So I am literally the original youtube h Susan wishy of the former CEO of the late Susan ji uh wonderful woman ah and if that trigger you again on the right, you're wrong. He was a terrific person and um and SHE when they start their own youtube channel. Uh I was the first interview because we were the first youtube partner.

So so I love that. So we're in deck. But let me connect IT back to the hope when mainstream media has you hooked.

You got no hope because you don't have the right information, you have propaganda, you have marketing. You don't have real news when you're in the online world. This chaotic.

And don't get me wrong, if you got plenty of downsides, right? But within that chaos, the truth begins to emerge. And so, for example, Young process had dozens of fights with different creators throughout.

Is why, when your number one a news online, the algaas m rewards anyone attacking you, because then you get into their algorithmic loop. It's not an accident that we've been attacked dozen ens of times. One were independent thinkers.

So anyone, if we don't match our ideology, they're going to attack us. But number two, they get in our already sm loop. It's too hard to resist, right? So all the sudden they think they were being funded by ancilla iloca, the CIA. And we're off to the race.

There is another fight, right? But our competitions are graveyard. And so we ve we won almost all of all those five.

why? Because we try really hard to stick with the truth, with logic. And we don't do audience capture even if our audience is going in one direction we don't think is right.

And I will come on go. No, sorry, guys, love you. But rent control is not a good idea. Okay, it's seta. So in that world, the people, it's gonna take a wile guys.

But people who are telling the truth are eventually gonna rise up, and when they do now are free. And now the second parties, even more devices ating for mainstream media. Because I own business spent, right? I keep looking at the revenue for CNN seta, and I have a master problem.

And people don't realize how big the problem is that things going to capsize. I don't talk about IT often because I don't want more company. Am I also have a company or help in in the online world, the seta? But but, but i'm too answer.

I ve got to say that. I got to say, so there they have two revenue streams. One is ads.

That's why they serve advertisers. And politicians are huge advertisers, as we mentioned. The second revenue stream, depending on the companies, is arguably more important, which is subscribers.

So now what happens in a business Normally is h. So they started out low and then they got high and now they ve got a toner subscribers at its peak. Cable uh, has a hundred million households, right?

So they're raking in unbelievable money from subscribes and they got advertising on top. So when you're all the way up here, your cost start to rise. Why do they rise? Because then the on their talent has leverage.

And as an example, there's many other as the and so the on air talent like shaan hanny y says, I do a program that brings in x amount of maybe one hundred million, maybe two hundred million, so give me forty million a year. And they do. Shan is making forty million a year.

Last I checked. okay. So I don't know if you still yet that kind of money, and i'm just basing out of reporting, right? But I saw mostly. So I have all these giant costs, but the minute you you go from one hundred million now, where I think about seventy million, you just lost a giant chunk a your revenue now when your costs are higher than your revenue ninety nine, it's been nice now on you.

Yeah, it's going to collapse. This can be painful.

but what we need guys is like something lasting on that is we need the print guys like ap reid's intercept, the lever, the seattle runs, whatever ryans working on. Now it's set rym. So we need those badly.

We need someone to collect actual information and do the best they can and presenting in an objective way. We all got to support that. So you can't lose text.

That's so important. The TV guys are just actors. You can lose them overnight. And a warn hurt .

you will help you. Yes, to be a messy battle for truth because the reality is there's a lot of money to be made in, a lot of attention to begin from drama faring. So just constantly creating drama and sometimes drama helps find the truth that mentioning, but most of the time is a drama.

And IT IT doesn't care about the truth. He just care about drama. And in the same as that conspiracy theories.

Now conspiracy there is have value and debt, and they allow us to question establishment institutions. But the bottom line is, conspiracy theories get clicks. And so you can just keep coming up around conspiracy there.

Many of them don't have to be go out in the truth at all. And so that's the sea we're Operating and and so it's a chirky space too. But legs who .

look at all the people who are the biggest uh, now because we've now had a couple of decades at this, right? So H I mean, as an industry. so.

I would argue your huge and you don't do that, you don't do the conspiracy theories, you don't do the drama at all, right? Um rogan is huge. Yeah maybe there is drama, but he's genuine, right? I got a lot of issues with some of his policies.

I mix opinions on joe in a lot of different ways, but I don't doubt that he's genuine and people can sense that right? And he's huge. We're genuine.

We're huge. So this is the market beginning to work. Yeah so .

speaking, our jol. Let me ask you .

about this go. I didn't actually know this.

but when I was prepping for this conversation, I saw that you actually said at some point in the past, you can be a rogan in a fight there. No, you said that you have a shot is a not zero probability. yes. Do you still believe this?

Yes, but the probability is dropping, is dropped every day.

I think it's the probably the stupidest thing i've ever heard you said. So I didn't mush. I wrestled the G, G, judo and all the kinds of fighting sports my life. And I just observed a lot of really confident, large guys rolling into games, his rap, he dead lift, he could talk all guys and shed, and his belief he could be the next world champion. And he just gets his of.

of course, okay. And i've seen, like I saw this israeli, I am my fighter IT taken on an anti summer who was huge and thought that, you know, he believes in, like nick, fantastic conspiring there he was something and that I may fight to dismantle them. And I loved IT.

Okay, then he like, we tweet back and before they said so guys, first let me just assure you I get IT h so now let me tell you why I said IT and then why I think is a no zero chance so Michael Sparkle ih had written blog like ten fifteen years ago having to post who were both blogger at that point and about the massification of america. And he was saying, the left is a bunch of what is right. So I wrote a blog saying, hey Michael, I would rather debate you.

So if you wanted debate about where uses, let's do IT let's find anything. But you know you're mentioning physical right, and how you guys are tougher. So if you prefer only a prescribe setting, right, we're not going to go due in the streets like idiots, right? But if you want, we'll have a boxing match or whatever you want, and we'll see who suffer.

And he panicked, and he cried to mommy. H, which is every on a hofinger as jx, I, T right? Okay, I, well, who who's the was in a bitch, right? So that is not to actually get into a fight with poor Michael smart.

S right is to prove he don't use rta c like that. That's dumb. And this is me proving that it's dumb. okay. So now joe had said, I forget what he said at the time and he said something similar, right? And i'm up to here with you at that point.

I don't know we've been talking yet, right? But are you've been to .

show and I really I bet .

you I don't like this takes you have a lot. I bet you he hates IT because he was even made commentator. He gets to hear so many brows. Yeah, yeah, it's all about the minds ebra.

Now, the human, the point you're making, which I do think is the stupidest thing you've ever said, but the actual intent, which is whether you're left to right there, there's strong people on the left. You're mentally strong, physically strong like I think the whole point is not that you can beat them, but you are willing to step. You're willing to fight if you need to.

It's sunder percent. So it's not like I believe I A beat. It's like i'm willing like all this shit you calling the people on left was is whatever i'm willing to step in even if on my train, even if find a shape unwanted fight. Yeah I get that I understand that but it's just pick a different person um that's why I roll down my genuine curiosity if you can beat up Alice alex Jones versus chink the germany, I would pay for that because you're both on trained. You both got I I would say the spirit no.

no, he has look, i'll give the same fairness yeah I think I got an eight percent answer being beating rogan. I think, to be fair, alex is eight. Oh, wow.

yeah. Okay, because you never know. He catches you on a lucky punch. I got punched in the air once and you lose your baLance and then you're in a lot of trouble, right? So I can get lucky and stones can get lucky it's me against rogan's harder like if you said to me you don't have eight percent chance um but alex does okay i'm not going.

It's it's fine, right? So why would IT does alex stand? Almost no chance, he ask me. So first of all is not just because i'm big and he's big one. I restart.

Are you rustle? Yeah if you're wrestle, then you're like, I watch the show with my kids. Physical one one hundred is like a korean show.

What they try to find out who is best athlete. They have one thing where they have to restore away the ball and keep IT this big giant ball. And like every restart is going to win. Every MMA fighters going to win.

And every time they win, and they like that, how you know that because we get trained, we're not gona lose to a non restful er in a restless contest is not onna happen right? So you can get lucky, but it's unlikely. So one resting now that was for a long time ago, but at least you know the mechanics, right? Number two, i've got to do about thirty actual street voice in my life.

And you can say street voice not the same as, of course, that's true, obviously true, right? But it's not no experience. It's some experience.

And the most important part of a street fight is being able take a punch in the face. okay? Yeah.

no one what IT feels like to get punch in face.

And so i've been punched in the face, I don't know, dozen of times in my life. I should start for him. But he saying, I just take the first punch. Okay, so I didn't start the fight. They just started because they punched in the face.

So and then and for alex, the main thing and also true for rogan is is about willpower, right? So if you if if you, as an eighty two percent is in my opinion of document, out of beating me, because he has the skill and he's trained and he knows what he's doing. So all the willows in the world is going to help you if you get kicked outside the hat, right?

So but in the unlikely circumstances that I warn him down, right, that i'm a little bit more in the ball game, because I get work out for alex, he done how the world power I have. Okay, i'm because to me that idea losing alex Jones is unthinkable. I would do anything not to lose anything.

Let me say so that beautiful, I love this. I would pay a lot of money to watch you just even like but um we do. I think I I have to say it's like it's it's point zero zero zero one percent change. You have a chance before even get to the mentality. And the other thing is on the mentality side, one of the fascinating things about joe is this exist sweetheart in person like this, but there's something that takes over when he competes.

Rather, we've been around twenty two years in the tougher industry in the world, right? If you like, you have any idea how hard is around a seventy five percent company and make money online and survive after all the guys who the billions went tremendous power. So but overall, you this is not the hill i'm dying on. Okay, joe would win.

I get IT. I think we're all allowed one can a blind Spike, I suppose.

So you don't think a few a big guy, uh, that still is in good shape. That was a restful er that spent on a lot of street fight. You still think point zero .

zero zero one IT depends on street fight, but yeah point zero .

zero one I just and is such a my new disagreement because you so take me out of IT so you take out the world power part of ba ba B. I think it's one to two percent yeah you can catch the guy and about, you know.

I think look, I think it's because i've talked to so I trained with a coach name, john her. I ll talk about this a lot. And I think technique is just such. Technique is the thing that also fits the world power IT actually builds up your confidence in the way that like nothing else does in the in the more actionable way because you won't need that much well, power, no, if the technique is bad, but like you don't have to be like a tough guy to win debates if you're just fucking good at debates, right? So I think we don't understand the value in sport and special combat of technique.

Now I are great ironies. I actually totally agree with that. That's why measure the physical one hundred techniques.

You don't win every day like almost every time we're having a debate about whether it's eight or one or point or one, right? Like it's either way, technique wins. Yeah, we agree.

okay. beautiful. In the one of the controversial things you're done in the nineties as a student, you can you publicly denied the armenia genocide, which is the mass murder of over a million armenia in one thousand nine fifteen and sixteen in the automated empire um you have since then publicly and clearly change your mind on this um tell me the process you want to change your mind yeah .

so when you're kid, you're taught a whole bunch of things. That's the software that we talked about earlier, right? So cultural software is media, family, friends, uh, social media sector. So growing up in any tribe, whether it's a religious tribe or an ethnic tribe, you're going to get industrial into that tribes way of thinking.

So you take a turn sh person whose super progressive loves bernie, believes with all their heart in peace and then you just tell them something about cards and they'll say, oh no, not those guys. They're terrible and evil and we have to do what we do to them you see that's the time taken over, right? And so um you tell any religious person was wrong with the other religions that that's true.

You get to their religion trip takes over, know how dare you are offended, right? So I grew up with turkish prop again that so uh i'll tell you couple funny instance of IT. When we were kids, we'd go turn american day parade.

My ten or twelve years old, this in the million new york, a group in jersey. That's why getting all those fights. And the and we would change in turkish.

Turkey is the biggest country. There is no other country that's even big. And I was like, this is crazy, and my dad isn't this crazy.

AmErica is big. China is big. Why are we chanting this nice sensical chant? right? So that's the beginning of beginning to realize your industry.

Ate, i'm in college and I read about some battle of the autumn, a empire loss. And my tech be right. A the turks have only lost one war.

Will war one right now was like, oh my god, i'm an idiot. I've got taught that in third grade in turkey. Of course that is not true.

That's ridiculously untrue, right? All those Foster in your head you don't even realize IT and saw on the armenia genocide. I read the turkish version and and the turkish version has all of these, this evidence, right? So it's real in that IT exists.

But here I give you a great example of IT. Uh, I think he was kernel chesty some random american military guy after all the war on. And he says about the armenia after the mass of march the force marches, he says they return the area of fat and entirely on massacred.

Okay, i'm hey, that's in american kernel that's saying that. So that's obviously true. You see they didn't happen, right? Or at least in the way the darante an say.

Now as a grown up, I look out and I go, are you kidding me? That guys obviously trying to get a contract with the turkish government, right? Nobody returns from a force march fat and entirely on massacre.

Red, right? So that's propaganda. And so, and that one was so indoctrinated that IT was tough to let go.

So in a pan I write that I pad at sea and then over the course of time. And so and and I disagree, and things from time to time. And we've been coasting now for she's been at the younkers for eighteen years and cohosh for almost eighteen.

And so she's armenian. And by the way, I love america. And look at, we came americans.

I love this country, land of hope and opportunity. That's part of why I fight so hard for the average american, for the american idea. So here's a turn in armenia.

Do not show together and IT becomes the number one online news show that's the beauty of america, right? So she's telling me things and we're haven't some on air discussions about this set at and then IT just done on me like, no, this was this too was obviously propaganda. So at that point, once you realize that IT becomes easier, that's why i'm trying to unplug people from the matrix. Because once you realize this propaganda, oh my god, IT gets infinitely easier to start. Tell me what's sure a nature.

So maybe by way of advice, how do you know when you're diluted by propaganda? How do you know you're not believing a kind of ah how do you know when you're not plugged into the matrix? When you are plug into the matrix.

you have to keep testing IT against subjective reality. Okay, they said something. Did that happen or did IT not happen? So here, here's an easy one.

Alex Jones, for a long time, especially under obama, kept saying, i'm going to put us some framing camps, tell there are some on the fema camps, and ever put us. We're going to sound, I know, I know for sure, right? Nobody y's fit in a female amp.

no. Obama left was no fema camps. So what I asked, like for the right wink spiracle guys, guys, has any of their things ever come true? Like they always say all these crazy things that never, ever happened.

So the third time IT doesn't happen. Can you please start to wonder maybe i'm on the wrong side, maybe and but but that's not just for right, right? And that's easy, right? But it's also for mainstream media.

That's where I get the biggest push back. And that's where because my tribe is, is what the kids call pmc professional management class. Okay, they occurred, you go up to later you have this that right is set up.

And so for that class, the state school is pretty good. So when you get when bind gives you fifteen percent change, you're like, what else do you want? That's amazing.

He just course corrected a little bit. Now it's perfect, right? But for the average guy who needs a hundred percent change, about fifteen, they look at a nego. But the fucking only did fifteen percent, and every is declaring on my hero, right? So those are the hardest guys to get through on, and those are the guys who get most mad at me, not the right wingers establishment.

That's why I am nails on a checked board for them because i'm on the left, but I call out their crap and they're marketing and propaganda and that's why I mentioned earlier, no one probably he might not even consciously noit, but no one dislikes burning more than obama because of bernie got in an office hit embarassed ama by doing a lot more change. And obama told us the change wasn't possible. You could only get five percent.

And so a burnt does fifty percent. And obama humiliated, and his record and his legacies ruined, right? So I don't think he makes that conscious decision, right? But it's subconscious the way of thinking.

So if you're watching morning joe custom, he says something that bonus for fifteen elemental wage when biden takes IT out the bill know that morning joe was lying. You he says the biden said he was for the public option, but he never even proposed IT when morning, you still defends them and you see an objective reality. Biden did actually propose that, bill, you know that they're lying. You test IT against objective reality, did not actually happen or didn't IT.

I mean, there's some of that still some of the conspiracy theory. Do you think there's some value to the conspiracy there? Is that come from the right, but actually more come from the N.

T. establishment. So I mean, for me, want there is a lot that raised a bit of a question. A lot of them could probably be explained by core partisan and the military industrial complex uh but there is also a lot of them can be explained by creeping and shade us in human nature. Uh epine is an example of that. There's a lot of ways to explain este um including the basic creepiness of human nature um but there could be bigger explanations underlying IT so sometimes .

we have long thoughtful conversations like this i'll say depends a lot ah and then people get frustrated by that but then you're frustrated by the world because IT depends so conspiracy theories if you say are they all right or or they're all wrong already the questions wrong. So IT depends what is the conspiracy theory so if it's you know some of the absurd ones we've mentioned here, cats easily disproved right? Um on the other hand, um there's a conspiracy y theory about G F case assassination.

Which ones the conspiracy theory that lee harvey, ozzy from like twelve miles away, shot a magic bullet that went like this and hit like thirteen people and came on a Kennedys brain or that the government might wanted to cover up an insanity inside president for whatever reason? Okay, come on. And now i'm of cost hyperbole.

And like the J, F, K. Thusia, well, I know what did the bullet didn't actually go like this. I didn't actually have the kidding guys. okay. But in terms of, is that conspiracy theory real? That gfk was not just killed by lhari osa, almost certainly right.

Uh, and so if you read real books with tons of information, the most likely culprits, alan dellis, the head of the CIA, that he fired back when there was a deep state, there actually was a deep, they they did cus against other countries leaders all the time, but they tell us all they wouldn't do IT to our own leader. But remember, it's not the C. I. He'd left A C.

I already, right? So you get, you know, so I don't know if he was x CIA guys. I don't know the mob was involved.

I don't know any of those details, but I know things that are obviously bullet didn't magically hit him from over there. Jack ruby killed the harvey oswald. Jack ruby was a mobster who on the record had said that he hated Kennedy.

All the Sunny became patriotic overnight and shot assailant who was unguarded. Maybe less likely. okay.

So let's speed up though. So my point is, yes, some conspiracy theories could be true. That depends on objective of reality, right?

You get everything. Again, I always do IT ahead of time, because I want you to test me and see, does IT match objective reality? So I said, the minute did IT happened.

You'll have your answer based on whether the video on the hallway worked or not. If the video on the hallway works, they'll be just as many conspiracy theories, but it'll show actually who went in and didn't go IT. okay.

But if the video on the hallway doesn't work, they definitely killed them. okay. So a couple days later, oh, the video in that particular hallway happened to not be working, and the cards both happened to be on break at the same time.

And the most notorious pedophile criminal in the country happened to be unguarded. And that is the one time he decided to hang himself. Listen, man, the only way you believe that is if you got mainstream media to get you to believe that the word that the minute the phrase conspiracy theory is mentioned, you have to shut off your mind anyway, to believe whatever the .

media tells you yeah, what is interesting you just mentioned. Do you think the C. A is not grown in power?

There is. No, no, they've greatly wind in power.

interesting.

So, so in the old days, the C I A has an action deep state. And because the country was run by a bunch of of families, right? So you go to yell, the come bones thing was real, right? And you go to harrier to go this.

And half of the dollars family, right? Half of them going to government, other have going to banking. Uh, why?

The central american countries called banana republics, because we weed america, did a coup against one of those countries because a banana company wanted IT OK because they know, how dare you charge whatever you want for your natural resource? We american corporations have the right to all of your natural resources at the lost possible rate. Alan, get rid of these guys.

okay. And and Allen would, and so and sometimes they would go extra judicial right, like potential with A J, F, K assassination. So now and end, by the way, you pissed off a jet, graham, just going to put a boat in your head.

And we were done with you. Okay, fred hampton, among others. So um but nowadays that's not how the world works.

So a small number of families cannot control a country and an economy this size. New people pop up. Well, mark zuker g was in part of those families.

Elon mosque was in part of those families in either was basotho for for you to believe those conspiracy theories, you have to think that basis of mosques that were like, oh, you guys are still running the country. No problem ahead. Gonna do that, right? So now we run into a system.

We are the invisible hand of the market that runs the country. But unfortunately, it's for only for the powerful. And so it's more than machine and they don't do.

And this is super interesting in ties to what we're talking about earlier likes, which is that they don't do political assassinations anymore. They do character assassinations. That's the needle in the hay sex thing.

So and if you do an assassination of someone, you build up their status, they become a mother and you build up their cause. But if you do a character asinine, you smear the cause with the person, and the cost goes down, not up. So the market found a Better way of getting rid of agitating outsiders.

Well, that you know one of the conspiracy there is a abstention that he's a front for legis. I get C, I, A, and are getting data on people like creeper, pedophile, kind data to. They can use this threatened character assinniboins them, but in this way, put the people on their pockets.

So look, we're not in on IT. So there's no way we can know, right? But the I just always go back to logic. So he has dirt on a lot of powerful people. He dies in a way that is an obvious murder, not a suicide.

And then you begin to think, who would have enough power to be able to get away with that crime? And that is a very limited number of either people or governments, right? So that's probably your answer without knowing anything that's internal.

Yeah, that's crazy. We don't have the list of client. What is the best way to achieve stability and peace in israel post in in the current situation and in the next five, ten years.

if people wanted to yet to peace is relatively straight forward. There is already a deal that that was negotiated. The saudis agree to IT, and they're important player in this game.

The parthenius and israelis have initially agreed to IT. Even homes is kind of agree to IT. That deal exists and is just waiting on the shelf to get done right.

And it's pretty straight forward is we'll get out of the west banking gaza strip, but they keep at experts tage IT used to be four percent, then I went up to six percent. It's probably a higher number. Now the policy is keep losing leverage as we go, right? You remember how IT hard IT was to get a deal on ukraine.

I thought that's a very complicated one. Israel, much more straight forward, you get the hell out of the occupying territories, keeps some of the god like those settings are the worst thing. They are cancer.

But anyway, I don't know. But there is an answer to the settings and it's probably that israel keeps them, even though that drives me crazy. No right of return for palatines ans they'll be symbolic right of return for a couple of families.

And so passes go on a way, guys, you have no leverage. Take the deal. Take the deal.

okay. So you're gonna get a right of return days. There is not going to allow millions of pounds ines ago.

And a voting is well IT would end the jure state. You have to get to a practical solution. So honestly, the number one person black in now is that yahoo is not that obvious.

That doesn't take a lot of courage to say that he says publicly, I don't want to post in state on against the two state solution he's been monstrous, is on the worst terrorist of my lifetime um so that's easy. The right wing of israel has lost its mind. So the snow tree in the bank of year is openly talking about ethnic clothing and driving them into other arab countries is the definition of ethical classic. So but is like, I know that the arabs are going to take the deal, that so we cannot wait to take the deal because they just wanted .

get business.

So I had A A solution where you don't need homos. But yes, homos would definitely take to the homos already publicly said that they, we didn't get rid, that israel doesn't never right exist. But are we tear so much prop in an american mediates maddening, right?

So in this idea that you don't deal with her mass is so dum. So the reason is dumb is you don't negotiate with your friends, you negotiate with your enemies. Well, I will don't want to go to with them.

I don't like, well, then you're not going to get to peace, right? But still there is a path that doesn't include him as so make a deal with fatta that runs the west bank. Then they get right now for time went into gaza strip.

They won't be able to manage IT because they don't have enough credibility. They're mainly seen, as in khuds with the occupiers, whether hamas is hard core and fighting against the okposo ers. But if fatta delivers a the not only a peace of, but a palace in state, then they come in as heroes.

So you make a deal with them, you'll let them run the guys a strip, and you empowered them to drive out of us. That way they do you dirty work for you in a sense, right? But good because the moster terrorism, they're not helpful.

And especially if the palace ans get a state, the violence has to stop immediately. That's the whole point. The trade is you get a state, israel get safety and peace.

So no more rockets.

that is Normal rockets if you do any other rockets when and israel does the barberry thing, they just did even I would say, hey, brother, we had a peace deal. okay? So if you violate a peace deal and you do a bomb, they are going to do obama and their bomb S A much larger.

okay? So that, and by the way, cannot work, and already has worked. The israel already did IT with egypt. So IT egypt was a hundred times of us. Egypt gathered all the area, Barbie, and actually physically invaded israel when israel could lose, and they did at several times, and likes at the time, or not, just the right, like the the war hawks.

But most people thought there's no way egypt keep that peace to, oh, their suckers were giving back them the sign I peninsula back and then they're just going to keep bombing, attacking us. There is, has been a single bomb from egypt. Ince the piece deal.

Peace deals work. War gets you more war. Peace deals get your peace. And and if you should never this true of all of life, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. So if you're saying, well, i'm not positive that a pal is going to be perfect and and twelve more rockets might be fired about that.

What's what do we have now, right? We have been less rockets now if israel suppose to be a safe haven for juice and I get IT and I want IT, okay, then become a safe haven. The way that you're a safe haven is stop.

The occupation is not complicated. And in the reason they're not, let's be honest, the reason the right wing government visuals not stopping the occupation is because they want to take more and more land. And so they have throughout time taken away more the west bank than they add originally. And now nya, who is saying, I want a cord or at the in the middle of gaza, and I want a corner at the border of egypt. Now I bore back to occupying gaza IT physically, let alone through power.

and its a, so B, B has to go. Therefore, what's the role of U. S. In making a peace deal like that happen?

It's gna sound outlandish, but I get a ceasefire almost overnight if bb is gone. And because the israeli negotiators have said publicly, please, not publicly got leaked and I was in the israeli press, you have to give us a little bit of wig room if you don't give us a little bit of wig room, obviously they're not going to do the deal and is like, I know right that's why is not giving them the wig room. So don't ask for landing gaza.

Get the hell out of gaza is cease far? That's the easy part. So the hard part is the occupation, ending the occupation, but even that I can get IT to you in two months, as long as israel actually wants a deal. So go to an election, get rid in in yahoo, put in.

Uh you know um benny gas is beni gans and Angel, no he's the one that ordered all the bombings of gaza to begin with, right? He look, I ben gans has got massive war crimes on his record so don't worry he's not a soft, okay, but is not my favor guy in the world, to say the least. But ben gas can do a piece still if he wants to.

So look, only one group of people can actually settle. This well is actually two groups of people. One is the israeli population.

You have voted someone who wants to do a peace deal. You'll get a piece deal. okay? Number two is the american president.

So if i'm the american president, i'm saying a hypothetical right? Or any american president that actually wants to get p steal done. You just say i'm going to cut the funding.

Israel will do the deal immediately. They don't say they want to cut the funding because ipad gives them one hundred million hours. It's not complicated, not one percent complicated.

Yeah so let's tell me this. okay. So if the U. S. President said, uh, i'm any cut of funding.

Do you think that I might have a giant problem for nani's hoo might had hurt as government? Might they have to go to election? Would israeli politicians, little in the population, to begin to really, really worry that they're going to lose an enormous source of funding and weapons?

Yeah, absolutely lutely.

So why would we use our leverage? It's crazy not to use our leverage.

yeah. And this is where we go back to the steel out of tromp. IT feels like he's one crazy enough to to use that leverage. But crazy I mean, good kind of sense, bold enough, not giving sheet about convention, not giving a sheet about pressures and money and influence and all that kind of stuff.

Yes, but with the biggest abstracts in the history of the world, which is twelve percent chance, cy does that, and that's great. But a huge chance he does the opposite. And he goes, let's call IT eighty again, eighty percent.

Yeah, marian wanted me to give israel west to israel. So you have a guys now you just ask about the whole thing forever. Okay, giant.

Woo, yeah, i'm going to prove out tough. I am. And I went to nucleon, oh, no.

What are you doing? What do you do like this? Trump is a massive risk. He's an enormous amount risk.

If you were running a company and not a country, would you hire trump as your CEO? Everyone watching just screamed inside their heads. No, okay.

You would never they take that kind of risk with your company. You ve got to eighty percent chance guys going to block the company. You could no way, no way.

And you know IT too, if you're especially if you're a businessmen, you know you're not going to hire that loose cannon, your company. It's it's unacceptable risk, but you're not wrong. We talked about IT earlier, but as part of that risk, there's a sliver in there that he could accidentally do the right thing.

We talked a lot about hope in this conversation. Zoom ming out, what gives you hope about the future of this whole thing of humanity, not just the united states of us humans on earth?

So why am I center left and not center right? IT gets that question. So you look at the polling, not just here in america, but a Normal and I country and IT almost always breaks out to two thirds of one third, right? Two thirds of the people say, let's be empathetic, let's share, let's be, let's do equality justice, let's be fair, right? One third does no me.

me, me, me. Okay.

that's just the nature of humanity. And so and usually the same third goes no change. And other two thirds go, well, some change.

So because if you don't do any change, you, you, you're never going to get to the right answer for the wish of the crowd to work, for free markets to work, for everything to work, you have to keep changing as the times change and the cultural changes in the situation changes, right? So that's why there's amendments in the constitution because you need to be able to change the document from time to time. Be careful with IT, right? But you need to allow for an avenue for change.

So now why does the one third keep winning in so many different places? Because they have more money in power. And by the way, if you're more selfish, you're more likely to get more money in power, right? And I wish that weren't the case, but IT is.

And these are no blanket rules. They're on average. So that third winds up winning in so many circumstances.

But the bottom line is we are a species that requires consent. So I mean, i'm a stone cold avised, so so I don't think we're kindi gapes. I think we are okay.

And so and all the scientists that there are going, well, of course we are everyone else is going that's crazy OK. So when you look at IT as a species, different species react in different ways. Takes, have no empathy because is not in their DNA.

They and that's why we have A A sense of what a snake does, right? So for good news is for higher level apes like us, but oboes chimpanzees and humans, we all roughly want consent. So a chimpanzee, for example, has a violent, uh, you know, reputation, and they are violent and enforcing pretty close to them.

But where people don't know is a leader doesn't win through violence, especially for bonobos. They they win by picking lice off of other chimpanzees, going in, doing favors, going to a hunt, getting food and giving IT to someone else. Because what they're gathering is the consent of the government.

And that's how you become the alpha. You don't do IT through physical dominance. You do through consent.

So that's how our hardwired, that's in our D N. A, that two thirds in the long run will win. And and we will have empathy, we will have change. And that's the hope that we're all looking for.

Hope is that the numbers IT seems like .

yeah and in fact, one more thing likes, yes, look at history. Hope and change always win. And so again, conservers don't catch feelings.

There is a need for conservers because you have to baLance things out. If you just had, even though wonderful, two thirds that still wouldn't meet the ideal system you need. You need a winston churchill if you're in the middle world or two.

You need someone to say regulating, you know, six inspections of the elevators is too many, right? So you need that balancing conservators have a role and is a really important role. But having said that, they're assigned to losing throughout history because they're fighting on losing ground.

A conservative says no change, but the world is constantly changing, so they're death to lose. That's why the founding fathers won against the british monarchy. That's why the civil rights movement, one, they didn't win overnight.

They took one hundred years to get equal rights, let alone pass lavery, right? So we won on women's rights. We want on gay rights.

We keep winning. But every snaps shot in in time makes you feel like we're losing. There's a bad guy in charge we are living under.

Corporate rule is set at, but in the long tide of history, change always wins. So the empathetic, generally speaking, the last wing, but again, don't worry about the the titles, right? People get obsessed with the labels.

The two thirds are empathetic. That includes a lot of right angers right. You win in the end, in history every single time. So we fight forward. We, we, we're tough when we need to be.

We need that will powers to win any fight, right? But we're civil and respectful to the other sign because they are us. So progresses all the time.

We say, IT look, and I this is like the ending of my book, which is we for conservative. You have a lot of empathy for inside the waggons. So conservative are great to their family, generally speaking, a to their community, to their church, to anyone that's inside the wagons.

But they have they set up electric chances and barb wire around their wagons. So if you're on the outside, you're the others and you're going to get electrified and this constant. And so I like to think the left wing has wider waggons.

So we view the world is more us and I you. But the good news is that is if we win, we're not gonna do medicare for only the left or we're going to do medicare for all. You're all going to get universal health care.

We're going to do higher wages for all. And the right wing is not gonna left out. And if unlikes I can tell you fun story, it's it's about my family and and i'm sure that parts of IT are apocalypto because it's from like five hundred years ago.

But um but he gives you a sense of the the old mark twin code if it's really mark twins of change happens really gradually and then all the sun. So my mom's last name in turkish is yash and me slowly so weird name you in turkish. And so one day we're walking pass the mosque in isabel when i'm a kid.

And IT says on the mosque, yeah, sure. Well, what is this? okay? So a small little moss, we go in sign and my dad starts asking their mom questions.

okay? So he says, why is the? Why is a moss and name that? And he said, would you don't know? And he, because my dad said, my my wife's name is last year oh my god, he is like, your ancestor was the animal of the automatic navy when they conquered consent to open? Okay, so grandpa, from five, six hundred years ago came up with the idea so you can't ever conquer consents.

Novel, because there's a giant chain in the underneath. Boss, for us, all the ships get stuck on the change as cannon. Both sides have to enchant navies in the world at the bottom of the boss.

Fs, right? So has a been conquered over a thousand years, nobody thinks seeking me concrete. Grandpa comes out with the idea of why don't we build giant wooden planks overland and greece them, and pass our fleet overland onto the other side.

Everybody goes because whenever anybody to propose a new idea matter how logical IT is, they go as impossible. No way it's going to work. Uh, you're crazy.

This is on congrats city. What do you guys even do? Everyday memory. The congress comes up to a grandpa. All right.

How's your plan to do this project going? And ramp us is slowly. Any names in commander, slowly.

And one night after the whole things done, they passed the entire autumn fleet over the land, wind up in the midst, boss. And the holy roman empire concedes they surrender. Because change happens really gradually, and then all is set.

Good story. Well, thank you for fighting for that change for many years now, over two decades now. And thank you for talking today preciate.

Like, thank you. The government say.

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