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Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with my mum in my kitchen in New Cross. Hi darling. How are you doing? I'm fine. I've got a bit of a croaky voice but I'm fine. And yet again we are matching. I'm so sorry. No, I don't know what... Maybe this means that we are...

We're so connected. We're so connected. Psychically connected, darling. But first things first, let me tell you, this episode is brought to you by Deliveroo, which you're going to find out is your perfect gifting partner this festive season. You're not only going to get an episode of Table Manners with a fantastic guest. This is also rather festive today, isn't it, Mum? We're preparing for Christmas, darling.

And you're going to find out that Deliveroo isn't just about getting a delicious meal, which we use it for. It's also about getting your Christmas shopping done delivered right to your door. I actually couldn't live without the Deliveroo app, I don't think. Neither could I. I constantly use it to get supermarket groceries. However, this has been the biggest game changer that now I can also do my presents and get them on the same day.

Seeing as this episode is brought to you by the wonderful Deliveroo, we thought we'd play a little game of Secret Santa with today's guest. So if you're in need of a bit of present inspiration, then this one is for you. So who's on the episode today, Mum? She's a bit of an icon. Absolutely. In the sports world. She is blonde.

Yes. A football pundit. Yes. Probably my favourite football pundit. She also does coverage of all the world's biggest sporting events. She covers lots of sporting events. Her knowledge is amazing. From the Champions League coverage on TNT Sport to Olympic Games on BBC, she does everything. Everything. She knows lots about sports. She's kind of got sports heritage. She's the daughter...

of a footballer, a Welsh footballer, Terry Yorath, and she's married to a sportsman. And she was also a former rhythmic gymnast who represented Wales and Great Britain. It's Gabby Logan, and we're so excited to have her. We've wanted to have her for years, so it's perfect that we're doing this, and also that we're getting a present from her. Perfect, lovely. I have been cooking, but I think I've made a mistake on what I've made.

What do you mean? It was a New York Times. I got the email. It said, you're going to die for this amazing recipe. I didn't actually look at the kind of thing where basically I'm going to be cooking whilst you're chatting. Okay. Which is slightly annoying. But I'll get on with it. So I'm doing Andy Baraghani's sticky miso salmon bowl. It does look delish.

It's like this marinade that you do with honey, miso, grapefruit zest and grapefruit juice. You haven't marinated anything. You don't know what I've done, Lenny. It's marinating right now. I just saw you open the salmon. I have tried to de-starch the sushi rice and it's still cloudy, so who knows? We're probably going to get crappy rice. And you serve it with radishes, avocado, seaweed and spring onions and butter. Where did you get seaweed from?

nori sheets oh the sheets of it yeah I like eating those well I can give you one Lenny thank you so we're having that and then I've made an apple stem ginger galette because I actually can't do puddings and I'm going to put some apricot jam on the top of it that you put in the microwave to kind of glaze it and then serve with creme fraiche it's

It will be fun. I think actually she's at the door now. Gabby Logan coming up on a very special Deliveroo Table Manners episode. Gabby Logan. Oh, hello. Thank you so much for coming over here. Oh, thanks for having me. Because this is quite a schlep. No, it's not. It's lovely. And it is. And you did come in with, I don't know, something in the universe told us all to wear red. I don't know if it was because we knew we were doing a secret Santa or something, but it

Yeah, we all were in red at the beginning. You stripped off because it's getting hot in here. So thank you so much for coming. How are you? You've already like recorded a bit. You've already done about a day's work. Did a sports agents podcast this morning in Leicester Square. So I like, you know, if I'm working, I kind of want to keep that energy going. Not that this is work. I mean, this is a treat. Yeah, you're right. It is nice. It's like if this is...

Well, we're recording this just before United and Arsenal play. Yeah. And you're covering it. She's covering it. Yes, for Prime, yeah. So research is kind of ongoing in my job. I never just sit down and do an hour. You're always reading things and picking things up that might feed into the next thing you're doing. So if I've got a bit of time, like 20 minutes, half an hour, where I'm waiting somewhere, I'm just reading up, basically. Yeah.

I mean, we're United fans and it's quite... Heads are red. Yeah. Sad times for us. It's not. But it's... I mean, maybe we're coming out... Sorry. No, but it's not fab.

Yes. Faber. Faber. Yeah. I think you're on the turn. Do you really? Do you think? Yeah, definitely. Marcus was smiling. Mum, you need to... Marcus needs to stop having a problem. No, he's stopping. Good, great. I can see. He's scored three goals already. He's scored three goals in two games. So I'm happy and I'm happy for you because you think he's your son. And we've also got, I think, the most handsome manager in the Premier League.

He's gorgeous I don't want to objectify myself No, I do But he's got a lovely face Have you interviewed him yet? Not yet, although I'll be interviewing him tomorrow He sat down with my colleague for about an hour the other day Which is

Sometimes post-match you can't get the full measure of somebody. When you sit down with them in an environment a bit more relaxed like this, you see a bit more. And Mark said he was great and was really polite to everybody on set. Oh, we like that. Which you don't always get. You've already been on the tube today. Yeah. You've had two, four, some twins on the tube that were entertaining you, four-year-olds making rude words out of.

Two stations. Yes. And you have twins. Yeah. And yours are how old are you? 19. But mine are, these two this morning were identical boys. Mine are a girl and a boy. And I did say to the mum of a very boisterous boy that we often thank our lucky stars that my boy came with a girl because if I'd had two of him, I don't know if we'd be together. Not me and him, me and his father. Can we start at the beginning, round the dinner table,

Where were you? Who was around the dinner table when you were a child and what were you eating? Were you born in Wales? No, I was born in Leeds. Oh, okay. So my dad was playing for Leeds United. He was playing for you. Yeah. I remember. And I'm the eldest of four and so there were three of us born very quickly. So I can't ever remember being around the dinner table without the others because my mum had three children under the age of 26. So...

We were a quite young family, you know, but my mum was... I think she had me at 21. So...

So she got engaged before her 21st birthday, which always blows my mind, you know, especially as I've got a daughter who's going to turn 20 next year. And my dad, being a footballer, wasn't always there at regular times, but evening meal, he was there mostly, and if he wasn't playing a midweek game. So we would always eat together. We were always at the table. There was always a placemat and, you know, linen and the table. Not necessarily a tablecloth, but it was always an occasion, and it might not have always been...

the most incredibly kind of gourmet meal, but it was, it was home cooked. It was always home cooked. So post-school, you know, every night of the week, we'd all be doing different sports and different activities, but then we all would come in and eat together. And that's something that I really valued from my childhood, I think, and is something that I was a non-negotiable for me with my own kids that that's, you know, we didn't have TV dinners as a kid. So therefore that was not going to be something that my kids did. So,

I think it is that communication and that shared passion for food and for learning about your lives from each other. If you've got busy lives, it's just the best thing that you can do, I think, for kids. Did you talk about sport? Yes, we were a very competitive bunch because...

So you were playing? Yeah, so I was doing my sport. My brother and sister, because I think the older three of us, I've got a younger brother. My brother Daniel died, but he was going to be a professional footballer. So he was doing football. My sister was doing gymnastics. So we'd always be talking about what we were doing and bragging with each other, but also competing with each other. And my parents would...

The conversation could go anywhere really, actually. You know, often I think I look back and my dad was quite a polemic, so he liked to stir up things. So if I'd say something as a precocious 12-year-old about politics, he'd throw something back that we'd have a disagreement. We once had an argument in a restaurant in Spain about something. Oh, it was about me wanting a pair of shoes. And he said, he said, I'll buy you these shoes if you eat all the mustard in that jar on the table.

and there was a jar of mustard in bits and my mum was going no Terry and he said she'll do it she'll do it so I started eating the mustard like obviously decanted it started eating it and my mum in the end because I was obviously going green and my mum was going no you could have and they were like 10 quid these shoes they were just like a little trainer or something but you wouldn't give up no because obviously my sister and brother looked on kind of horrified that I was prepared to do this for these shoes which we still laugh about now and eventually my mum kind of intervened and

like no she doesn't have to eat any more mustard to say it's fine so yeah there was quite quite robust fun loud yeah where was your mum your dad's from Wales yeah proudly Welsh yes where was your mum from she is from Leeds so they met when he Yorkshire yeah she met they met when he she her mum had a cafe opposite Elland Road and

She was doing her A-levels and she used to work in the cafe occasionally and she served some of the Leeds players after school and my dad had...

been asked to go to an event and he didn't think the girl he was 17, he didn't think the girl he was seeing would have been a good guest because she smoked. So he asked my mum if she would go. No, first of all, he asked my mum to iron his trousers for the dinner. He said, have you got an ironing board and an iron in this cafe? And my mum said no. And he said, well, would you come with me to the dinner instead? And so it was kind of a weird way of asking somebody out. But yeah, they had a kind of strange...

coming together, but then obviously... So Matt's very young. Very young. The manager of Leeds at the time was a guy called Don Revy and he quite liked his players to settle down as quickly as possible because he felt it was going to somehow give them a stability and home life that was going to be conducive to being more focused at work. So he also did things like he would send the wives gifts and flowers on significant dates, birthdays and things so that he...

kind of told them that they were part of this journey. Did that mean a lot to your mum, don't you feel? She certainly mentioned it a lot and talked about it in, you know, kind of growing up. I knew these stories. So it clearly did resonate with her and the other women that I feel they were. I mean, they always joke that they were the original wags and, you know, she still has dinner with two of the wives from that era. Is that who you support, Lise? No, I'm accidentally a Newcastle fan. Why? Why?

I love your mum. She's so horrified. Why? How did she get from Leeds to Newcastle? So when Dad was moving around, we left Leeds when I was four, and then he went to Coventry, and then he went to Vancouver. No, he went to Spurs, then he went to Vancouver, and then he came back to...

And then we were all over the place. Did you travel with him? Yeah. So you following all the time, usually a few months late. So mum packing up houses and selling and moving on. And so you're following his club. I was doing my sport and not really always able as I got older to go, but always following his team. So then when I went to university, I went to Durham, he was managing Wales. And of course, Wales don't play every Saturday. So I was missing that team to follow on at the weekend.

And I started going to Newcastle United and then I started working in local radio in Newcastle and covering Newcastle United. It was the Keegan era, difficult to not. I mean, if you go to Newcastle, every single person in the city on being born, on coming out of their mother's womb is given a Newcastle shirt. I mean, literally the whole city is mad for the team and it's impossible not to get swept along. It's such an interesting stadium as well because it's kind of smack bagged.

bank it kind of emerges it's a citadel it's high wherever you are you can see it you come in on the train and it's there and I often stay at the Gateshead side the Hilton if I'm doing the Great North Run or something like that and my view of the window is always the Time Bridge and Newcastle United and St James's Park and I think it's just one of the most iconic views it's such a beautiful river and it's such a

I love the city's industrial past, how it kind of feeds into the architecture and feeds into the bridges. And it's such a vibrant city. So I'm very, yeah, I'm sad that I can't go a lot because of work and distance. But I'm really glad I'm connected still to a place that means so much to me. Did you ever resent your dad's job?

No, I don't think so. I think we realised at quite a young age that we had quite a different upbringing to his. He was from a very, very working class, hardworking family in a council estate in Cardiff and sport was a way out for him. And so I think when we'd go back and visit my granny there, we realised that our life was a bit different. We were not like Premier League footballers are now, but we certainly had a much more middle class life and upbringing to the one that he had. But he never...

forgot his family and his roots and everything, of course. And my mum, the same. She always told us about her first cot being the bottom drawer of his chest of drawers and having no bathroom in the house and that kind of thing. So they both were kind of, I suppose, aspirational young people working hard and hard work was at the kind of core of everything that they did. But we realised that we went on maybe more holidays than he'd gone on and we had...

a nice house and, you know, had the kind of, not travelings, but we had the things they didn't have as kids. Now we're going to play a game. This is the Deliveroo special episode. And we are celebrating the fact that Deliveroo not only

supply lots of delicious food to our doorsteps, but they also have gifting now that people don't... potentially some people don't know about. So we're going to play a game of Secret Santa. So producer Alice has given us all a piece of paper and we're going to play Secret Santa. And what we're going to do is we're going to open up and see who we've got. And then we're going to go on the delivery app and we're going to go and choose a present. And by the time that we've had our lunch, it will be arriving at the door...

And we will all be gifting each other something. I don't tell you. No, it's secret. So this is not what I'd recommend at a dinner party to all be on our phones. However... In our house, this would be me going mental if anybody dares to get a phone out of the table. But this is an exception. So we're just going to all quickly choose our presents. Find the presents. Not on the high street or on... Oh, really? Yeah. Boots.

Perfume shop, sure. There's a whole... Because obviously it's location dependent. So there's Hackney Wick Company in Hackney for me, which is perfect. That's like a nice candle. You would shop there anyway. Well, yeah. Oh, wow. They've got everything. They've got tech, beauty, children's bits. They've even got flowers, darling. Mm-hmm.

Oh, Mum, fancy renting a dress like her? I do, darling. That's a great idea. Within half an hour. So if you turned up in the same colour as one of your co-hosts... I could then hire... You could hire a dress quickly. Wouldn't it be fun? Yeah. We should have done that anyway. We could have done that because we... Yeah, absolutely. Are you ready to select yours? Yeah. Okay, fine. I'm going to select mine. Perfect. Mm-hmm.

Right, presents have been ordered and they should be here in as little as 25 minutes from delivery. Really? Mm-hmm. I want to keep shopping. Me too. Are you a big shopper? Not in situ.

so I do a couple of shops for work a year where I go and do like a mad day and then I do another day of just getting because I do so much technique yeah and get loads of outfits ready so I don't have to worry so if I'm doing a world cup or euros yes and I need 28 outfits or something or olympics or something and then I we get them all together and then that's it I'm not I'm not a great borrower from you know people like to borrow from designers and things like that it's just too much faff I've got to get everything ready so I don't I don't kind of have

time browse sometimes I have half an hour somewhere in between a meeting and I go into a shop and start touching things and feel like oh this is what it used to be like used to go to shops and see things and I do enjoy it I just don't have loads of time are you a good present giver

I think I am because I think I try and think about the person I work on the basis that it's something that I would like to receive as well. So I don't, although it's for them, I think it's something of quality that I would want. So I don't give away, I don't read gift.

loads of stuff that I've already got in the cupboard I try and buy something and I also like to buy these days a lot of monogrammed stuff so people know that you've bought it in advance and not just bought it the night before Christmas Day that's a really nice idea so you've thought about it but it doesn't always work out have you ever been given a really quite awful present

Oh, yes. Anyone you can... Yeah, my husband. Oh, okay. We do laugh about this one. He was way too generous this particular Christmas. It was our first Christmas together, I think. And the first thing was I woke up and this is going to make him sound ridiculously romantic. We were in a townhouse and...

Three floors of rose petals led down to a rose... The guitar was I and then Love You in Roses. So the guitar was the present, right? Because I kept saying to him, I'd like to play the guitar, I'd like to play the guitar. Beautiful black Yamaha guitar. So I thought that was it, right? So this is an amazingly romantic, lovely present. Then I opened up some more presents. There was this gorgeous coat he'd bought me. Then some rollerblades, right? And now we're kind of going in slightly satiric, random things. Then this piece of art, which I...

It was disgusting, right? And not like anything I had in my house or anything I know. But now we laugh about it because he's got this friend who we all agree has no taste. And he said, but I bought it with Pete. And I went, you went shopping with Pete? Are you mad? Like nobody would buy anything in Pete's company. You just wouldn't. And he said, Pete said Gabby would. I said, what? He's known me like five minutes. So we do laugh about that. And we took it back and exchanged it for something we still have hanging on the walls.

Oh, that's sweet. But that was such a random collection of gifts, right? I mean, that could have been like for five Christmases. Exactly. And I thought, this guy's so generous. But also, then you have kids and you're lucky if you get a tea towel. But yeah, that was definitely the most, it was hard to hide my reaction. When you open something up and you go, oh, what were you thinking?

thinking about this oh that's brilliant yeah um what's your best gift that you've ever received oh i think when you know i know it sounds like i'm being kind of humble and going oh it's just a little thing sometimes but it is sometimes those things that you've just mentioned and you haven't been dropping hints but they've heard you and and they're like oh i thought this might make your life easier and this is something that you've obviously wanted and so it can be just so innocuous like i had this i

old iPad cover that didn't go onto a stand. And he said, every time I see you struggling with that, I think you should have one of those ones that goes, and that's some things like that, where your life is made easier by somebody kind of thinking about you is almost as nice, isn't it? As don't get me wrong, a tennis bracelet would be lovely. Yeah. Um, obviously, yeah, all those, all those things are great, but I think it's knowing that the person knows you, I think is quite nice, isn't it? What was Christmas like when you're growing up? Well, it's quite,

interesting because my working life now kind of replicates a bit of what I experienced growing up because I'll be working on Boxing Day. Oh, yeah.

Does that mean you won't get drunk on Christmas Day? No, I'll cook and I'll have maybe a glass of wine or two but I won't have what everybody else will be drinking and I won't start until I won't be drinking through cooking or anything like that so I don't have that full Christmas Day. What time do you have to leave the house on Boxing Day? Early-ish, half ten, eleven but I've got to be groomed I've got to have washed my hair and I've got up and make sure I wouldn't just run out the door because it's too big a game and it's too big an engagement so I'm doing Liverpool

Liverpool. Leicester on Boxing Day. Okay. So, you know, who knows? Liverpool. Yeah, Anfield. So it's a bit of a journey as well to get to. It's a slab, isn't it? And then the day after that I'm at Arsenal again. So I've got a double header. So my dad, being a footballer, would often be leaving us on Christmas Day to go and play somewhere on Boxing Day. So I understand, I suppose, a bit more than other families might about that.

disjointed Christmas. Was he in training when he was quite a young person? Did they have an academy at Leeds? They didn't have academies then. He left home at 15, though, to go and be a Leeds player. His story is quite sliding doors when it's really interesting because he'd been sent this

offer of a trial for Leeds United 15 years old got on the train which those days from Cardiff to Leeds probably took about 10 hours or something turns up in Leeds does his trial for a week with 7 or 8 other boys and at the end of the week they were going to tell them who'd been offered a contract and

And he was asked to clean the manager's office or the guy who was in charge of that week. Because they used to be given real hard tasks back in those days, you know, chores to do. They weren't treated like academy players are now. And he was cleaning the office and noticed the pile of offers on the table. Was his there? No, he wasn't on the contract. That's so terrible. There was another boy and this other boy happened to be a twin.

And when he was offered, his family said, not unless you take his twin. And they said, well, we're not offering his twin. We're offering him. So your dad got his... And they said, well, he's not coming. So my dad got his place. How?

and ended up kind of being the legionnaire to play that he was then for 10 years so um yeah i mean he might have made it anyway and he might have gone somewhere else but he wouldn't have been part of that kind of iconic leeds team of the 70s which is often even now people talk to me about that team and you know it was an amazing yeah so he had and then he after that he left home and ended up being in they used to have digs where they'd stay with a family and had um an

that for two years, living with a woman who looked after a few footballers. And very hard for somebody at that age to be wrenched away from your family and not have that comfort of that nurturing, I think. It made you quite hard, I think. Can we talk about your sporting career? Because...

you know, all your siblings sound, you were all very active and it was, I presume, kind of expected maybe it was going to be an active household. I think my mum tried to give us, we all did every musical instrument to grade one. We all did all, we did all the drama. That's what I'm up to at the moment. And she tried really hard for it not to be just sport. And I remember her saying to me, and I don't know how she knew this, but

I was about 10 and I wanted to give up doing Lambda or something, you know, drama exams. She said, oh, it'd look good on your CV if you want to go to uni. Nobody in our family had ever been to uni, so I don't know why she thought that that was inevitable that I would. Because she had high ambitions. And Durham is like one of the best universities. It was a great one to go to. But she'd said to me once as well about, if you went to Cambridge, you might want to do Footlights. Now, honestly, to this day, I have no idea how she knew about Footlights because she was this Leeds...

Girl who's nobody in the family gone to uni. How does she know about that? And she, so she did have aspirations, I guess, for us, but not in a way that she was pushy. She just always said she wanted us to find our passions and, and put them all out there and say, choose something, do something, but don't do nothing. You know? So your initial passion was gymnastics? Yeah.

Yeah, all sports really. Gymnastics by accident because I'd really wanted to be a tennis player until I was about 10. We lived in Vancouver and I played loads of tennis and tried to pitch to my parents that I should move to Florida and go to Nick Bolletieri's camp. Oh, wow. And they were like, no, you're coming back home with us after Vancouver. Was that the Venus Williams?

Yeah, yeah, right. He sounded like a character. And I'd seen this documentary and thought, this is utopia. You just play tennis all day in Florida. In the sunshine, yeah. And obviously it wasn't going to be. So I came back and we lived in Coventry at the time. And then we moved to Leeds. There were no indoor courts for public use in Leeds. So my sister was a gymnast. I just kept following her to gym until the tennis courts opened and kind of never came back really. So it was an accident that I ended up doing more of it. I find that so fascinating because what I...

gather from watching like the Simone Biles documentaries and, and, and also seeing my, my daughter's eight and she goes to a local gymnastics. It's, and it's very kind, but you can feel it's incredibly regimented and strict. And from what I see is,

almost quite lonely because you're basically against the world rather than being in a team you are in a squad yet but that's similar with tennis you're confusing against the people who you're training with yeah which is funny old thing yeah and yet two of my oldest longest friends and I'm godmother to both of their daughters they've

one's got multiple daughters, are from when I was 12 as a gymnast. So something connected there at that age. And you can see, I presume you've seen the Simone Biles documentary. It's so fascinating seeing, they all adore each other, those girls in the USA, Team USA. And obviously Simone was seen as this

Well, you know, the greatest of all time. But they... And she is fine. Yeah. But they... And they kind of accept that. And they will Aron. But also, they achieve such great things too. But I just... Did you...

It doesn't sound like it was your total passion and you fell into it. Yeah, no, it was once I was in it. Yeah, and what was your... I was all in and I absolutely loved it and I didn't want to do anything else and I was obsessed by it. And it was rhythmic. Rhythmic gymnastics, which is much more bands, hoops, clubs and balls. All of it's on the mat and it's apparatus and it's not...

in this country it's not the strong suit of gymnastics you know it was my heroes were when I was 15 my heroes were Bulgarian or Russian they were my absolute idols and I'd watch grainy kind of VHS tapes of them and then got to go see some of them live and you know and the 84 Olympics when I was 11 was the first time rhythmic had been in the Olympics but of course there was a

by a lot of the Eastern Bloc countries. So Romania still went and the gymnastic team one was from Romania and I was just obsessed. I just watched hours and hours of it. It gave me a real entry into classical music and music because we could only use one instrument for our music. It had very strict rules. So most people had piano and we used to have a live pianist at competitions in the old days who played your music and could, if they were good...

would see that you wanted to catch the ball on a certain note. So they would, it was amazing at the beginning. And then I think that was quite an expensive indulgence. So then we were off tapes and then they allowed us to have non-piano. So you could play, you could have a guitar piece or you could have a violin piece. So I spent hours in the local library going through the classical music sections at like 13 years old, looking for single instrument pieces. So John Williams, the classical guitarist, was one of my go-to's.

And it was a very, my mum must have thought she had this real quirky 13 year old because I'd be in my bedroom playing all this, like Manonoff and stuff like that. Does this work for a club's routine? And my sister was doing it as well. So we'd be in our bedroom with our apparatus, making up routines. And I suppose it was a healthy obsession. Yeah.

That's amazing. It was an obsession. What was the colour of your outfit? Or did you have lots of different... Oh, that was not many. You had different ones for different routines and you tried to match the mood of the music with your... I mean, that was a real kind of... Did you enjoy that aspect? I love that bit. Did they have sparkles on? We weren't as sparkly as they are now. We had... Because my mum wouldn't pay for these extraordinarily expensive leotards that came from the States and stuff. So me and my sister used to get these bog standard ones and then try and decorate them ourselves. Wow.

But nobody in our family has been gifted with real artistic talent. So everything looked botched. I used to try and copy these pictures and they just looked like a four-year-old had done them. So it was quite sweet and naive. Whilst you carry on chatting, I'm just going to assemble the bowls. I'm sorry that I'm kind of back and forth. I want to know how many suitcases of clothes did you take to Paris last year?

for the this olympics just gone um good question and my lovely uh he was kind of a production manager lloyd who works uh he's sadly left worked on the bbc olympic coverage for us was so kind in taking one of my extra cases out because we had to travel on train they wouldn't let us fly because of um getting a thing called the albert stamp so make it more sustainable and i said well i can't take three cases on the eurostar and these are big cases oh you're not allowed um well i just couldn't

how was I going to get them off? Yeah. So Lord bless him took one of them for me so that I could get all the clothes I wanted because it's not just the clothes you wear every day. You've got a different outfit for the telly, but you also need clothes outside of telly. And I like to exercise when I'm away as well. So you've got all that stuff. So every single thing I took got used. I never waste, you know, cubic centimeter, but, um, and I always take my own pillow as well when I travel. Do you? Yeah. Why is it so special? Your pillow? Is it,

Fab or all? No, it's like a tempura memory foam pillow. Okay. I find if you have my pillow, the bed can be awful. As long as I've got my pillow, it doesn't matter what the bed's like. Whereas if you have rubbish pillows, I don't get, I fidget all night. So my pillow, I'm out like a light. So it's better than anything that I could take to ensure that I get a good night. Because often we're working weird shifts, you know, late nights, not getting your normal quantity of sleep. And what was the food like?

Amazing. It was, and I love Paris. Yeah. And I've been quite a lot in the last year and eaten in some amazing restaurants. But we were very lucky because normally when you do sport in stadiums, you don't want to eat anything in the stadium, right? The food's rubbish. So you've got to take your food either with you or your water in, something. And there was this incredible, kind of like a...

a poke bowl place near the hotel but it wasn't really poke bowl because she had this woman had all kinds of things and I just go and get these amazing dishes made up every day to the point where

They told one of my colleagues the day before the Olympics finished, they said, can you tell your friend that we're not open tomorrow because I was such a regular. So having been in Paris quite a lot over the last couple of years and eating in some amazing places, I did feel that I was slightly, I don't know, I wasn't eating in all these. But we never had a chance to sit and eat in restaurants on these kinds of trips because we get back at midnight and you don't want to eat at midnight.

and then in the morning you're up, you're doing something, and then you go. So sometimes you're in these incredible places and you never actually get to experience the city. How long were you there for? This time, only a couple of weeks, but I've been in various work trips and personal trips because my kids were 18 last year and we decided to do a good four-day trip to Paris for their 18th, so we ate in some amazing places there.

They are real foodies. What was your favourite meal? We actually went back, Lois and I went back to this restaurant, which was owned by a couple who is not far from Saint-Germain. They were both bankers in London and they're Lebanese descent and they decided to set up the food they wanted to eat. And this is a tiny restaurant. The kitchen is here. You can only fit about 12, 15 people in the downstairs section. Yeah.

and they are the only restaurant in Paris, I think the Chef's Michelin star, but they're the only restaurant in Paris where you can have every single wine on their very extensive list by the glass. That was their big thing. Oh, that's amazing. So, and I...

the names are known like midlife foggy brain i've just yeah um and i will tell you that they're great so i've sent a few people there in the last year and they've all really enjoyed it that was my favorite meal and are you best mates with all the other yeah we're really yeah i'm really well so claire balding so claire i don't get to see too much during olympics because she's on one shift and i'm on another we'll be working together in two weeks doing sports personality of the year

I know, three women. Yeah, with Alex as well. And so I love Claire. She's so funny and she's such a professional. She's great. I love her. But I work with Denise Lewis at the Olympics and Jess and Michael. And we have a really good time, especially the girls, because we spend more time together. I was dragging them out. I managed to get Jess to go to Barry's boot camp in Paris with me, which was hilarious. He's got to pass.

I was doing Barry's in Berlin at the Euros this summer but it's so funny waiting for a class at Barry's boot camp with

an Olympic heptathlon champion it's hilarious because people were looking because there's a lot of expat people in there and they were I could see people going it's just in his hill but I'd booked us in with two of the makefartists we work with and so I everybody was called Gabby according to the instructor's list because I got us all in so he kept shouting something to Gabby something to Gabby and we realized that he thought we were all called Gabby yeah so um at one point he said um uh well don't get me just all waved at him and he was this guy was completely confused especially the people that

thought that was Jess Ennisfil they were kind of going isn't that Jess Ennisfil but yeah she's great so how did you meet Kenny your husband oh we met in a bar in Chelsea a random yeah a real I'm like yeah that's fabulous it was really random

Just at the end of a night, he was with a group of players who'd been out that day. They played that day. My girlfriend I was with happened to be a producer at Sky who worked on rugby, knew them because she'd made a VT with them. Oh, wow. And she said, oh, I know those guys. I did a piece of them last week. And I was actually chatting to somebody else. And he came over and gave me a drink and just started chatting away and then went round the corner and told his friend he was chatting up Gabby Roslin. So...

another Gabby and his friend came round the corner at Simon and said no you're not you're chatting up Gabby Yorreth she's a football presenter and he went yeah I know but Kenny is really dyslexic so to this day I don't know whether he just got his names mixed up or whether he genuinely thought the lady from the big breakfast was potentially going to be taken out by him the following week so yeah and then he asked you out

Yeah, he had a great chat at line. Go on, tell us. So we ended up going over the road to this 24-hour restaurant called Van Catra on the Fulham Road. And just having, it was a non-alcoholic place. So we were sat there just eating and drinking hot chocolate or tea or something until about five in the morning. And we came out to get cabs home. There were four of us. And he put his arm around me because it was really cold. It was January. And he said, oh, I'm playing against Wales next week at Murrayfield. Would you like to come up and watch? Yeah.

And I thought, that's a good, that's a good. And I said, I'm sorry, I'm going to a health farm with my girlfriend. I can't make it. And he always laughs about how I, but I was, and I couldn't let my girlfriend down, you know. Anyway, I ended up watching him on the telly. He scored like loads of points and played brilliantly. And he was man of the match. And I said to the girl, that's the guy. And she went, I think he is the guy. And yeah, so there you go.

Please start. Thank you so much. And it may not, it made such a vat of rice. There is more. Oh, it's good. And it may need more salt. So I will not be offended if you need to put some salt on. Honestly, it's gorgeous. Or it may be too much salt. I don't know. Would this be a go-to lunch for you? Mm. The salmon's delicious. Well, it's some with grapefruit and miso and grapefruit zest. I love a bowl. Mm.

And I, would I, would I? Yeah. Yeah, I would actually. This was actually quite straightforward if I wasn't trying to do a podcast and chat at the same time. But I do love a bowl.

And maybe I kind of got it right because you like a poke bowl. Yeah, I love it. And I can't, I don't know how you do it. I really don't. I have such admiration for you because I cannot, I love cooking. I can't talk to anybody, honestly. Barack Obama could walk in and I'd just say, sorry, I'm not, I know you're interested. But not now. Yeah.

This is a real skill to be able to chat. This is not my recipe, though. This is a New York Times recipe. And I've been following this guy, Andy Baraghani, on Instagram. And this works. This is tasty. Great. Perfect. Bit faffy, but fine. So, Gabby, we asked everybody last supper.

start a main pud drink of choice would you like an alcoholic drink right now yeah no thank you you look quite shocked but you are like an athlete see you're such a pro no I I'm not very good at drinking during the day if I've got stuff to do

Also, I'm supposed to be going to my hygienist later. So she might have something to say about that. You'll just have some seaweed in your teeth instead. So starter. I love, you know, Ottolenghi style. I call it Ottolenghi style dishes. Yeah. Big. My favorite Sunday lunches are lots of big plates of different kinds of vegetables, vegetables.

Something maybe roasted, something, whether it's a fish or chicken, we've done with something interesting and lots of bits that go with it. That's my favourite kind of cooking. And it's also probably my favourite kind of food, really. But it does take forever. It does, but if it's my last supper, then somebody else is making it, right? But to start, and this is so random because it doesn't go with it at all, but I don't think these courses need to match, do they? No, no, no.

I love, and I never order it because nobody makes it well enough, really, in this country, is a proper French onion soup. You know, proper. Made it on Saturday. Did you? Yeah, well, I mean, I can't just pop out of your house. And everyone went crazy for it. Did they? Yeah. Whose recipe was it? I made a combination recipe, Mary Berry. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And it was really good old-fashioned. And I bought the stock in...

in a jar from Marks and Spencer's and it was liquid stock. It wasn't... Chicken stock? Beef stock. And it was in a jar of beef consomme stock. And it was really gorgeous. But bloody hell, it took hours. Two kilos of onions. Everyone farting after. Yeah, that's the problem as well. If it's your last supper, who cares about the gas, right? Absolutely. So is that your starter? Well,

I know it's a bit boring but if I'm having all that other stuff which I'm going to get to in a minute it's so delicious and I quite like I love and also if you do it properly with more cheese than you can possibly imagine then it's not a healthy starter is it and I don't think that's a problem if it's your last supper so go for it on the she put mustard on top Dijon mustard before she put the cheese on this is Mary

Kind of like a croque monsieur. I didn't do that. I just put the cheese on and gave two pieces of baguette and everyone loved it. Yeah, loads of lashings of French butter on a fresh baguette. That would be an absolute dream. I mean, before that, we could have had really interesting canapés, couldn't we, as well? Do you like a canapé? I love canapés. I do like a canapé. I like it because it seems like such effort that I'm not doing. Yeah.

I appreciate that Mini versions of whole meals Yes I love that This is sensational I can say that because it's not my recipe But I would make this again I'll send you the recipe Thank you Would you like some more?

No, I would like some more, but I'm going to say no because you mentioned the word pudding. Have you got a sweet tooth, Gabby? No. You can just have a second bit of salmon if you prefer. No, you've made a pudding. No, I'm rubbish at puddings. I am too. Let's see how it goes and then we'll go back to salmon. I actually had to cook dinner for Mary Berry. She came to my house. Why? Are you friends? She's a neighbour.

That's amazing. So she'd invited us for dinner, just Kenny and I. What did she cook you? She did a very... Her pudding is going backwards. She'd made this apple flan-type French tart thing, which looked exquisite. It had all the apples were kind of fanned out and very... Okay, mine one's going to be a poor man's Mary Berry today, okay? She knocked it up in about, I think, 10... And the main course was...

It wasn't lamb. I cooked lamb for her because I wanted to do a traditional. Which meat did she do? She did a very traditional main course. It might have been a beef bourguignon, maybe. And the starter was a soup. And she...

Maybe her French onion soup? No, it wasn't French onion soup. She did very, it made it all look like you have today. It was all very straightforward, very easy. Whereas I had to book a whole day off work to prep for her dinner. But that is because it's Mary Berry, right? So do I. Because I just didn't want anything to get, and I, the kids were in the house, but they weren't sitting, which is unusual, but I just,

felt like she didn't really want, they were eight or nine at the time. So they were loitering kind of upstairs and then they came running in at the end and they, what did you think of mummy's dinner? And asked her to, you know, critique it. And she was very sweet. And she said, well, do you know what I did for pudding? Because I'm so bad at dessert. I did a cheesecake. Why is that so bad? It's such a cop out, isn't it? It's like offering biscuits or something. No. But she liked it because it had a very crusty bottom. Oh.

Oh, well done. No soggy chops. So she said, oh, and she asked me for the recipe for my, I did a salsa with this lamb and she asked me for the recipe for the salsa. Yes, Gabby. Yeah, which was the highlight of my life. I feel like you're just an overachiever. No, no. I had to take a whole day off work to make minestrone soup for Mary Berry. I mean, I literally was that terrible and petrified. She's such a lovely woman and she moved out of our village now. She lives further away, but I did a book,

talk at Henley Festival and she came and surprised me and sat in the audience and because she lives in that direction now and you know it totally curtailed what I talked about because I've got so much respect for her I didn't want to make rude jokes I didn't want to talk about kind of anything that I normally would and I kept changing my language to not be sweary or say anything rude in front of her Are you quite sweary then?

I'm married to a Scot. They think the F word is just a punctuation point in a sentence. And so as a result, we can be quite sweary. Oh, that is the last of the delivery. So I'm going to go and get them and then we can play Secret Santa. Okay, darling. Alice, producer Alice, can you please come and help us give out the presents? Gabby, this one's for you, I believe. Thank you.

And Jessie. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. Mum, you open yours first. Oh, wow, Jess. Thank you. Did you get me this? I did get you it because I just know that you love it. Chloe perfume. Darling, where did you get it from? The perfume shop on delivery. Are you kidding? Yep. You're next, Gabby. I'm going to open mine. Oh, wow.

Spattinger? Yes. Oh, wow. That's such a treat. Thank you. And there's more and there's more. Oh, spiced clementine and pomegranate. Oh, Merry Christmas, Gabby. Yes, that is Christmas in a box. What is it, a candle? Yeah.

And a box which has in it Chocolate Wonders. Thank you so much. I just thought you needed to relax. You need to just chill the fuck out, Gammy. Honestly, this is my Christmas. You know when I come back from doing all that football, say on the 28th, I just light my candle, eat my chockeys and maybe share that with Kenny. Maybe, okay. Yeah.

Thank you so much. Pleasure. Well, I guess, Gabby, you got me mine then. Yeah. Okay, let's see what we've got. Ooh!

Ooh! Who knew you could get Clarins on Deliveroo? Oh, my goodness. This is like a lemon showstopper. This is huge. It's called a showstopper, darling. Oh, come on. I love... I mean, that is doubling up as a handbag as well. Hey, what a clutch. Thank you. And I love miniatures. Well, I just thought at some point you are going to get out the kitchen and go back on tour, aren't you? Yes, I am. So these will be quite handy for you. Oh, come on. Thanks. You can come again, Gabby. Just going to put some of the lip perfector on now. Hang on.

Oh perfect. That is absolutely perfect. Thank you. Now listen I'm going to put the pudding in the oven now. Whilst I go back to the oven mum is going to get your last side. So main what do we do? So main I would like a

A lot of dishes. Fine. That's all right. Yeah. Just go for a big... Otolenghi type. Type thing. So maybe some aubergines with pomegranates and some kind of curry yoghurt with it. Then we'll have on the side maybe some lentil. I know this sounds really healthy, but I just love the lentils with grilled tomatoes and... Oh, yeah. ...grigano and stuff like that, which I think for the last time for us should be more indulgent. So here it comes. Okay. We're going to have a massive fillet of beef.

just the best ever quality of beef. What condiments are you going to have? Well, with all these different... All the bits, yeah. They all kind of go in together, don't they? They all work together. So there'll be something with some carrots and maybe something, because Ottolenghi do some great carrot recipes. That's not the only cookbook I use, but it is my go-to. Which one? They're simple. I've started to make some really good

Children My House cookbook is quite hard to follow but is their Caesar salad recipe is to die for. Really? I make that it involves like skinning the chicken and having my mum bought me it because she thought it looked beautiful and it does.

But it involves a lot of ingredients. So you kind of have to be ready to go. But it's worth it, worth the effort. Maybe we'll throw that in on the side as well. Yes, please do. And then pudding. You're not a pudding person. No, but if I have... If there's anything that can tempt me on a menu, a simple affogato. But I'm not going to do that right now because that's just too simple. It'll be a...

Sticky toffee pudding? Yeah, okay. With a big dollop of vanilla ice cream, probably. Do you like ice cream with your sticky toffee pudding? Or cream? Oh, yes, she just said she does. No, do you never have cream with it? No, I think that's right. I've made a mistake there. I prefer cream with it because it's so sweet. Okay. I want like... You want the sauce. But you've got the sauce, Jess. Mm-hmm.

You've got the sticky toffee sauce, then you're double sourcing, aren't you? You're double sourcing. I like the hardness of the ice cream with the soft... And drink of choice. We'd have some really gorgeous vintage champagne to start, I think. Oh, champagne. Yeah, just as, you know, with the canapes. And then I would... Oh, it's hard because I do love a gin and tonic and... You can have that for the starters. Wine doesn't make me very...

You know, it makes me go to sleep and it makes me feel kind of... It didn't used to. So as much as I like the idea, and I love watching it be poured for other people, I probably won't be partaking. Gabby's got to work through it. It gets better at the other end, let me tell you. LAUGHTER

You might go through that period and then you'll come out the other end. I'm always tempted when I go, especially when you're away in the sunshine and the first rosé of the season's open, of course I want a glass of rosé. Of course I'd like a nice chilled soap. Why does nobody ever drink rosé in the winter? Because we drink white wine. I've got a friend who does and we always have to, in the middle of winter, we could be doing the most wintry meal ever and we have to bring out the rosé. The weird thing about rosé is though, people do like to show off a bit with wine

don't they and you can't show up with rose it's kind of all the same isn't it there's not much variation is there between you know the low end and the high end is about five pounds whereas with red wine people do like that kind of oh yeah and it's like a 90 pound bottle of wine i don't know i think there's something in that that it's quite democratic rose i would love to know your nostalgic taste or smell something that can transport you back somewhere

So I made for the first time, I walked in, it was the first cold day we had this year and I'd gone into my supermarket of choice and all the root vegetables were in the entrance. And I thought, I'm going to make a stew because my mum would make a stew at this time. There was always a stew on the agar. She always had an agar.

And I've never made a stew. Oh, I make lots of soups. I make chowders, but I've never made a stew. So I made this stew almost exactly how I remembered my mum making it. And it was so nostalgic that like the bowl of stew just took me right back to coming in from sport and everybody pouring, you know, ladling themselves up a bowl and sitting in the table and getting some bread and kind of it just had that real throwback to childhood. Wow.

Mary Berry? Hello. Hello. It's not good. Look. How did you do this in such kind of secret stealth-like movement? Is this stealthy? I'm like clattering. Wait till you hear me eat it. Right, OK. Mum, you do that bit. Did you grow up being taught how to make this? No. And by the way, the pastry is shot bought, so don't be too impressed. OK.

But no, my mum battered me out of the kitchen. Do you want a big slice? I love a slither. I love a slither, yeah. Gabby Logan, thanks so much for coming on. We are so happy to have had you. We're happy to have had Secret Santa with you. Thank you so much for delivering. Thank you for my gorgeous...

Well, they're all from Waitrose, my gifts. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. They're really lovely. It's such an honour to meet you. When I was a 16-year-old and wanted to be a football journalist, I just looked at you and was just like, this is actually possible. And you were amazing. You were such an inspiration. I mean, I'm doing something slightly different now. Pop music. Yeah, I don't think it's gone too bad.

No, we're doing okay. But I still think you have a frigging cool job. Oh, thank you for having me. And it's so lovely to chat to people who are obviously so passionate about their football club as well. So lovely. And not negative about Manchester United. Could have been so different three weeks ago, couldn't it? Oh, it would have been negative. She's got to be one of my favourite guests.

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