cover of episode Musical Epics, a Reincarnation of Sappho, and Kaos... Your Questions, My Answers

Musical Epics, a Reincarnation of Sappho, and Kaos... Your Questions, My Answers

2024/12/3
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Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology Retold

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Liv对音乐剧《Epic》表示没有看过,她更喜欢现场观看音乐剧。她对以弗所阿耳忒弥斯雕像上的球形凸起与她的变性祭司之间的联系表示不确定,因为她对以弗所阿耳忒弥斯雕像和相关的考古理论了解不多。Liv只看过Netflix剧集《混沌》的第一集,她想看更多,但由于近期生活中的变故,她很难观看新的节目。关于萨福的性取向存在持续的争论,将萨福定义为今天的“女同性恋”是不可能的,但可以将她定义为“酷儿”,并且她确实为女性写过爱情诗歌。Liv认为人工智能不适合用于推测欧里庇得斯残缺戏剧的内容,因为人工智能无法理解人类的情感和状况。关于克吕泰涅斯特拉和伊菲革涅亚的牺牲,以及阿特柔斯家族的诅咒,Liv认为克吕泰涅斯特拉的父母身份存在争议,而宙斯不太可能关心此事。赫密俄涅在希腊神话中扮演的角色较小,主要出现在一些戏剧中,这些戏剧关注的是特洛伊战争的后果以及战争对人物的影响。关于三位一体和赫淮斯托斯,Liv表示她不知道有任何戏剧以三位一体为主要角色,并且关于赫淮斯托斯配偶的说法在不同来源中存在差异。古希腊人对死亡和冥界的态度并非恐惧,而是相对中性的,冥界并非永恒的惩罚之地,而是与地质学相关的概念。关于奥德修斯是否为瑟西和卡吕普索性侵犯的受害者,Liv认为关于瑟西的说法站不住脚,而关于卡吕普索的说法则比较复杂,需要更多证据。关于阿塔兰忒和阿耳忒弥斯,Liv建议听众收听她之前关于阿塔兰忒的播客节目,并指出关于阿耳忒弥斯和女同性恋的暗示需要更多解读。希腊神话既是古希腊人的宗教,也是故事,考古证据证明了古希腊人对神明的崇拜,但神话本身与宗教信仰并非完全等同。

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Why hasn't Liv listened to Epic: The Musical?

Liv hasn't listened to Epic: The Musical because her attention span struggles with musicals unless she's watching them live. She also feels that consuming such content becomes a job when listeners expect her to discuss it, which conflicts with her ADHD and autism tendencies.

What are Liv's thoughts on Netflix's Chaos?

Liv has only seen the first episode of Chaos and enjoyed it, but she hasn't watched more due to her current stress and inability to focus on new content. She plans to watch it soon and hopes to discuss it with a guest in the future.

How does Liv view Sappho's queerness and its erasure?

Liv believes Sappho was unquestionably queer, as her writings include love poems for women. She thinks the erasure of Sappho's queerness still happens today, but it's nonsensical given that terms like 'lesbian' and 'sapphic' are derived from her. She finds it absurd to suggest Sappho was straight.

What does Liv think about AI in mythology and literature?

Liv is strongly against using AI to interpret ancient texts or mythology, as she believes AI cannot understand the human condition. While AI might have some uses in reading damaged texts, she doesn't think it should be relied on for interpreting the meaning of words or human creativity.

What is Liv's take on Clytemnestra's divine parentage and its role in the curse of the House of Atreus?

Liv notes that Clytemnestra's divine parentage is contested in the sources. While Helen is often considered the daughter of Zeus, Clytemnestra is not. Liv doesn't think Zeus cared about the curse on the House of Atreus, and she finds the idea of Artemis demanding Iphigenia's sacrifice as part of the curse to be speculative.

How does Liv interpret the Greeks' views on death and Hades?

Liv believes the Greeks weren't afraid of death or Hades, as the underworld wasn't seen as a place of eternal punishment. Hades was neutral, representing the world of the dead, and was also associated with wealth due to the riches found in the earth. The Greeks viewed Hades as tied to geology and science rather than fear or punishment.

What does Liv think about the interpretation of Odysseus as a victim of sexual assault by Circe and Calypso?

Liv agrees with the listener that the argument for Odysseus being a victim of sexual assault by Circe and Calypso doesn't hold much weight. She sees Odysseus as willingly engaging with both Circe and Calypso, though she acknowledges the complexity of the situation with Calypso.

How does Liv view the relationship between Greek mythology and religion?

Liv distinguishes between mythology and religion, noting that while mythology is the story of the gods, religion involves worship and rituals. She believes both can coexist, as evidenced by the physical remains of Greek worship practices. She also sees parallels between modern fandoms like Harry Potter and ancient religious practices, as both involve storytelling, community, and ritualistic behavior.

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The host, Liv, explains her delay in releasing this Q&A episode due to a recent move to Toronto. She shares the challenges of settling into a new home while managing her ADHD and creative work.
  • Delay in Q&A episode release due to move to Toronto
  • Challenges of settling into a new home with ADHD
  • Recording in a new room

Shownotes Transcript

Liv answers listener questions about all things ancient and a handful of modern things that feature the ancient world... Submit your questions for future Q&A episodes and segments here).

CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

Attributions and licensing information for music used in the podcast can be found here: mythsbaby.com/sources-attributions).

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