In conversation with President Trump
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Thanks so much for sitting down with us, mister president. The all in pod, basically the four of us having conversations, it's kind of a spectrum of different views. We got a sort like a little bit of some fox news and then some M, S, D, N, C at the same time. So keeps .

that interesting.

Yeah, absolutely. Anyway, to more. And I we we had a great time at the at the fundraiser that we did a couple weeks ago, I think turned out, turned out great. And I I heard the link of us brothers are actually announcing that they are donating a million dollars each in bitcoin to you tomorrow. So I think that's a great result to come out of IT as well.

I got to meet them for the first time at your house. And terrific, terrific. They they did well like they might have started the whole thing.

I don't know, I don't know. I don't know if that court case was proper, but they were very nice. Both of them .

absolutely really nice because you know and I think made this a good place to start in our conversation is, you know, one of the things I think we heard a lot at that dinner was just the the difficulty that people in business were having under this bite an administration. You got the cypher guys who just want a framework. They just want the government to tell them how to Operate and they can't get that.

You got no ma happening right now in tech. The real estate guys, they can't get loans because the interest strates are through the roof and there's a credit runge. So I think one of the common sense we just heard across the dinner was that I was just so hard to do business right now. And I guess maybe a good place to start would just be, you know what, what's the number one thing, maybe the top three things that you would do to kind of get things movie again, you know, if you're reelected.

So it's a regulation, regulation and taxes. okay? You know, I gave the biggest tax cut in the history of our country and a lot to business.

IT took up down from, look, as you know, they were paying people. Companies were paying forty percent, forty five percent at looting, stay in city taxes in many cases, and we get IT down to twenty one percent. We'd like to get IT down lower, actually, but we get IT down.

And the revenues were were Better than ever, even with a lower rate. We had a record, record revenge, which says you a little bit about that, but also the regulations. And when I asked a lot of people, a lot of big people, a lot of corporate types, a big corporate types, I said, if you had your choice between just the taxes or just the regulations, what did I do Better? He said, the regulations.

I was the biggest cut of reg in four years. I cut more regulations than anybody by by four dut, not even close. And when I spoke to different people about the regulation versus the taxes, I don't think i've ever had anybody.

And the taxes were a massive cut, you know, from thirty seven, thirty eight percent, if you look at IT, just there, to twenty one percent. I don't think I ever had anybody say that the taxes were more important than the regulation cuts I made IT possible to build. I made IT possible to do things to invest.

I was able to get companies with a lot of money outside of the USA to bring that money back in. You know, we cut the rate, and IT was crazy. The right was like fifty five percent.

So that means if they bring the money back, they lose hair. They have money before they even start. But IT was also impossible from a standpoint of structural standpoint.

Illegal standpoint is very hard. And they were able to bring back, I mean, apples, an example. They brought hundreds of billions of dollars back from other countries into the united ted states and invested here. So um but it's it's very interest because I ask the question all the time, which was more important and almost everybody said I did an even Better job and and I get the biggest textile, the biggest tax cuts, bigger than the region tax cuts, but they found regulations and the regulation cuts or even more effective. And that's where we had the great economy and that's where we had the most jobs ever produced.

So there's this odd thing that happens in certain states where taxes keep going up and then you start to see the state's break, right, productivity breaks, crime goes up and quality of life goes down. But then people don't understand that taxation and all of those things are correlated. What do you have an idea why that is like? Why don't people understand univerSally that where taxation is Better for productivity?

Well, they don't understand IT. And is such an interesting question because you look at some of these places like chicago in new york and and delay and so many more, you know, I take to even mention the three because there are a worse examples. And that you look at what's happened in oakland, and you look at at what's happened into some cities that are disappearing.

I think they are literally just crime waves that nobody lives there except for criminals because you can't live there. You can survive there physically, you can't survive there. And when you look at the kind of crime that we're talking about, and then they take the power away from the police.

A police can do anything. If they do anything to stop IT, they end up losing their pension, their house, their family. They end up losing everything they can put in jail.

And when I talking about the road cups who do something really bad and should be taken care of badly, you know, be ny got to be nasty to them also. But mostly, I mean, they they beat people. They want to really like ninety nine percent, they to stop crime.

They hate to see IT. They're not allowed to even they're told not to do anything. When you see a department store that was so proud, they open up a new store in a certain city.

And all of a sudden, this over the last couple of years, as up at this phenomenon are five hundred. Usually Young people walk into the store and take everything that masks on. They walk out with television sets, air conditions.

They walk out with everything. This is a new phenomenon. The second place and it's it's incredible.

Uh, look at drugs. So is look at what's going on. Like in new york, you walk into a gin. I've seen IT twice. I don't walk into too many drug stores, but I used to love that. I used to love to walk around and just look at what IT is, whether it's a drug sort of proper.

But they told me just a little while ago had a meeting with some people and they say, you walk into a drugs or new york and everything covered up with bars and glass, and if you want just a little thing of aspirin, if you want to buy a toothbrush, you have to wait to have an hour to get a clerk. And they open up this world, and they give you tooth brush. They give you, how do you do business like that? This is a phenomenon.

This never been anything like this. They didn't. You have theft of of even the most minor items that very little theft, relatively speaking.

They didn't have that, but they had the police would arrest them if they did something. Today, they don't they have limit. Sometimes if you still listed two thousand dollars, you don't get arrested.

So nobody steals more than two thousand dollars. It's incredible when you see what's happened to the quality of life in our country. And its happened so quickly, it's it's taken place so rapidly, nobody has ever seen anything.

But you look at retail, and I know the big deal that used to be a big deal when a department so I moved into a city or you know a certain store open up even in a town, but it's usually the democrat run big cities where this problem is taking place. And I don't say that is a republican. I just say you look at the twenty five cities, the top problems that just about all democrats, the democrat run and .

they're also high tax, high regulation states yeah .

no cage bail or all these different things that have taken place in phenomenon is a phenomenon. What's what's going on? Nobody's ever seen anything like IT.

And IT has to be stopped. It's a horrible quality of life. At the top of that, you can walk to a story.

You end up getting shot or mug or something. The level of crime in the cities and these big cities is out of control. Nobody has ever seen anything like IT.

mr. President, can I can I just ask on your point about the tax cut? Luri summers made a comment the other day. I thought maybe you could respond his tweet that the tax cuts, coupled with the tariff s that you've proposed, would cause a massive, if I think he called that the mother of all inflation, where you would have kind of inflation because of the terrorist s you would have economic decline because more money would start to fund an increase in Prices with tax coming down, tax cuts being put in place. Can you maybe just comment on on on the comment made by Larry summers and how we implement tax cuts without installation?

Well, let me say that I respect Larry summers a lot. He's been right about a lot of things, and obama and bite nip been wrong. A certain things that he said turned out to be true, certain things.

And if you really, I do have a good respect, form is a different kind of a guy, and he speaks his mind. I happened to be a big believer in tariff s because I think terrace give you two things. They give you economic game, but they also give you a political gain.

If if a country is at a control on something, having nothing to do with economics or having nothing to do with with money coming in or money going out, but other things that are very political, because there are a lot of other things involved in countries, you have tremendous power over the country. Now not everybody can say that, but weekend because with a big piggy bank, but our piggy bank is going to get smaller and smaller all the time because we're losing power. We're losing a lot of, you know, countries on the dollar.

I mean, they are going like flies. If we have lose that, that's the equivalent of losing a war that would be unbelieved. That would really make us third world.

We have low so many countries, I look the other day, so rush is gone. Uh, you you take a look. ukraine.

M does that sort of exist? In a sense, nobody knows what's going on there. But when you look at china is essentially gone, the trying to get out of that, they want there.

A primary competitor, uh, H A ran, is not there the other day. Red uzi arabia is willing to now go in various different currencies instead of the dollar. This is a tragedy. This is a big thing that's happening against our country, and we cannot let that happen with tariff fit gives you a tremendous power as an example, not till let that happen, you say you wants to do that, we're going to put tariff on your product coming into the united states. But more importantly, and and it's a big importance, but probably of more importances, they tax us, we tax them.

Recipe c trade, I think we should have a reciprocal trade tag if china's going to charge us one hundred dollars tree for a hundred percent time for a car, then we should say you're going to pay a hundred percent us. You know, I put on a large tariff on china cars coming in and IT had a huge impact, a huge positive impact. But and bite only is doing the electric cars. I don't know why that is, because the electric cars, they can end up being made in china, by the way, they are not gonna made here. The united order workers that can take a blow like no unions APP between that and people coming in, pouring into our country, unions are getting absolutely dissented.

absolutely trip.

But the c the reciprocate is, I think, a very important thing. When these countries, and I don't me just china, we have other countries, you could take the european union. They don't want our farm product and they don't want our cars and they don't want anything.

We have a massive deficit right there. But you could go with many countries and they essentially do things to us and we should do things to them. Basically, IT should be reciprocal of things.

We've talked about present trip on the forecasts. A lot is the deficit under your administration. We added close to eight trillion under band. It's going to be paradoxically, about the same number.

Seems incredibly unpopular in washington to cut cost, but that's something we're going to need to do what your plan and IT looks like you're going to win a second term here. What your plan in your second term to control spending? Can you get IT into control ears though, the willing washington to allow you to do that?

Well, the biggest thing, I think is growth because we can grow our way out. As an example, we have more liquid gold under our feet. I use the term.

We have more oils. We have more wells. We have born everything than anybody else.

When I started, we were number three. Now one number one, we word number one. He's going to keep IT that way until left of the election.

If they ever won the election, there's no more royal coming out. Is no more royal. They were going at oil is what caused the inflation.

You have nothing coming out. IT would be disaster. So they were intelligent enough to let the the oil wells continue to go. They're not happy about IT. But if this election were one by them, I can t tell you right now, you would be we would see oil go through the roof because they would really close IT up already. They're taking out of the strategic reserves just for politics because they want to try and keep the Prices down as long as possible.

The big thing, we have tremendous growth potential, and we have tremendous numbers of dollars that can be saved through efficiency, the way we're spending money, hundreds of billions of dollars, what biden did with with the, uh, trillions of dollars that he borrows for cover. And I had a different situation. We were getting ready to start paying off that.

We were getting ready to make a lot. We had the greatest economy in history. I had to throw a lot of money at goof IT in order that we didn't end up in one thousand thousand and twenty nine type depression, which we could still end up in now because because what they've done.

But I threw a lot of money in and we ended up not in a depression. And then we ended up with a very, you know, I ended up with the highest stock market, and that was just previous to go for coming in, which was pretty much of a miracle, according to us. But we had to throw money out there in order to keep our country going.

We would have ended up, if I didn't do that, we would have ended up on the depression. The problem is, when biden came in, he took trillions and trillions of dollars for covert. He didn't use IT for cover, to use IT for other things, but he took three lions of dollars out.

And that caused a lot of the inflation energy caused. His energy policies caused inflation and his spending that the unbelievable spending that they did caused inflation, tremendous inflation. And it's going to have an impact for a long time to come.

Can you talk about your impounded authority intention? You mention that the past that you could go in and reduce the bureaucracy and the spend. I always tell people my position going into the election is less than i'm interested in knowing what the government going to do for me, and i'm more interested in knowing what the government gonna stop doing.

That doesn't do any good for anyone. And there seems to be a lot of that, and i'm really curious to hear. So how you think about using the impounded authority vest in you as president of the united states to reduce some of the bureaucracy wasteful spending and create accountability? And what you know, is there a team that that you ve built around you to help build a specific plan on on backing out of some of these issues.

right? We have a lot of money floating around that should be brought back into the government, should be given back to dc, to washington. As you know, there was a lot of money given out over the last couple of years, especially over the less my money was given out to help us with cover IT.

Then they took money and they have no idea what they are even doing with IT. That money can be given back and IT should be given back and things can be done with that money that are a positive. But we have there are many, many things are giving example, a education.

We spend more on education per pupil than any other country. We spend numbers and we're terrible at IT. We're down to the bottom of the list. And yet we're at the top of the list I would give. I am going to very early in the administration, we're to send education back to the states.

We're going to give them approximately half the number of dollars, and they're going to have so much money that like they've never had before because they can spend a fraction of always spending right now and have much Better school systems. As an example, you go to where you could name many, you go to new bra, you go to IOS, you go to many states. We'll be a far Better job that we're doing right now, and they'll do IT for a fraction of the cost.

We will save a tremendous amount of money and have Better some states. I don't believe we'll do a very good job, but they can have to learn to. But we have I would say most of our states will do a much Better job.

I think all of them will do Better than you can do worse than what we're doing right now, but all of them will do Better, but some will be out absolutely education factory in a positive sense factors. Uh, we are going to close up education. We have a tiny little group to make sure everyone's teaching at least english.

And perhaps proper math is such, such a but very little department of education goes, and education goes back to the states and where he belongs. I mean, where IT absolutely belongs. And you going to save a lot of money.

You can look at interview with that. You could look at a environmental with a lot of that, where the environment can be controlled by the states instead of this big bureaucracy. And washington, D.

C. Mean, what do you do when china is burning all the coal and they're sending, they are sending the issues over the united states because that's what happens. Take three days, days in a loss over the united states.

In the meantime, we're keeping things good. We produce clean coal. We're gonna produce clean energy.

But we have to get back to energy with spending trillions of dollars on artificial weak energy. That's not going to fire up our plans. Our plans have to be fired up.

We have a phenomenon coming up right now. And I was talking about at the other day to David, and that's a AI little things, simple, too little simple letters. But it's big.

And I realized ed the other day, more than anything, when we were at David house and talk to a lot of geniuses from silicon valley and other places, they need electricity at levels that nobody y's ever experience before, have to be successful to be a leader in A I the amount of electricity that is like double what we have right now and even triple what we have right now. They are, they are. It's incredible how much they need to be the leader and wouldn't have to be able to do that. And a windmill turning with its blade, knocking out the birds and everything else is not .

going to be able to make us competitive. You'll china to meet you. So hundred and reactors, and they're only spending about twenty five hundred dollars a kilo water in the U.

S. Will not building any. And our cost to build them is about ten thousand box kilowatt.

And china is about to build as much capacity as twenty percent of the total U. S. Production in nuclear. We clearly have a problem here in nuclear.

We do. And nucleus, okay with me. And what we're doing is, you know, if you look at alabama, you look at a couple of states where they built these plants and they had cost over and center nobodies ever seen anything like IT where they are costing twenty five billion dollars to build a plan.

There were a couple of a built in the south. I won't mention the places, but you know, the places. And they came out of numbers that I think the most expensive things ever built in our country and the inspect tires would go in.

They say those walls aren't thick and have not come down and build another wall. And you know, the environmental people were brutal. You know, in france and in other places where they do have a lot of nuclear, they build small plants all the same.

And if they need double the amount, they'll d two of them. And supposed to the nonsense that we've done where we build these massive plants and they never get built and they have cost over ons of of three, four, five hundred percent. Nobodies ever seen anything like IT.

No, i'm okay with nuclear, but you have to do IT in a way that makes sense. And they have nuclear applications today that can be built and can be built reasonably inexpensively. But nuclear certainly is very strong power.

Can I shift the conversation of foreign icy just for minute to make sure we get we get time to talk about foreign icy? Mrs, i've really appreciate your your comments saying that you want to bring a peace deal to the warm ukraine that people stopped dying and I will hardly agree with with that element.

But i've seen that you may know micro, the president france is talking about actually putting nato troops or french troops in ukraine as potentially a next step, and that could be a trip wire for more nature troops coming in. Can you guarantee that no matter what, you're not going to put american boots on the ground in ukraine? Is that something you .

can say definite, guaranteed? I ouldn't it's different for france, you know their neighbors more or less we have an ocean in between. It's different for germany, although germany's much less involved than they should be and other countries.

But um you know we have a big ocean between one of the things I think is so are unfair, David. I think it's terrible is that we're giving probably were at least one hundred billion dollars more than europe. Mini europe is as a home put together and the economies are similar size, believe IT or not, that put together at us is about a very similar economy size.

But it's much more important for them. It's important for everyone you have to have, look, this would have never happened. If I were president, he would have never, would have never done IT. And IT happened for two reasons, and also have, because oil were through the roof and he had all this money to prosecute the war.

But the oil was at a much lower level, the Price, Price of, well, he wouldn't been able to afford the war all of a sudden, when IT hit almost one hundred dollars a barrel, he said, you know, I mean, he's one of the few to make money during a war because the oil has got and IT stayed very high. It's extremely high right now and it's going up. Oil Prices all over the country are going up, as you probably have noticed.

But I will tell you, that would have never happened. Ukraine would have happened, never happened. The israeli attack would have never happened, and inflation would have never happened.

There is the three big things. Inflation would have never happened, but with ukraine. And now it's very much a look, ukraine is now, I read the other day where they don't have the soldiers, they don't have the men power. They want to use children. They want to use old people, very old people, people that are not really perhaps equipped, fight, then make their soldiers is like forty three now.

So they're learning out there are literally running out of people to make a piece deal there. Would you be willing to take nature expansion off the table if that's what IT took to get the russians and the ukrainians to make a deal?

Would you be going to do that? So for twenty years, I heard that nato, if ukraine goes into nato, it's a real problem for russia. I heard that for a long time, and I think that's really why this war started.

I'm not sure that this war would have started. A bike was saying all of the wrong things. And one of the wrong things, he was saying, no, ukraine will go into nato.

That's one of the many things he said. When I listen to him speak, I said, this guy is gonna start a war because, as you know, for four years I was never even talk of russia going into ukraine. That would have never happened.

Russia was not gone to attack ukraine. As soon as I got out, they started to form along the lines. And I thought that putting maybe, well, he's a good negotiation. I thought he was going to be doing that for negotiation purposes, then all of a sudden attacked. And I said, what's going on here? But if you look at the rhetorical c from biden, he was saying the opposite of what, in my opinion, you had to say the things he was saying, and he's still saying that he's saying things that are .

so cris climate one hundred percent agree.

And you know, he turns out that the month before the russians invaded, blinking told lavera that the ministration was knowledgeable ing. Ukrainian nato, but that they thought I was OK for the united states to put nuclear weapons in ukraine. So no wonder the russian said the roof. I mean, talk about the provocation.

Let's say you are running russia. You wouldn't be too happy. And that's always been off the table.

You know there is a border and it's always been that, you know, I don't think that they would have if they thought that, that was going to remain sort of a territory where you don't have nato, but they don't want have soldiers right on the border. They don't want to have IT. It's always been understood and that's even before putin.

It's always been understood ard that that was a no no and now you can go against their wives and IT doesn't mean they're right when they say that, but that was very provocative and now it's even more provocative and they talk to about, uh, I hear routinely they are now talk IT about ukraine entering IT. And now I hear france wants to go in a fight. Well, I wish a blot of luck. I think luck.

So can I ask you about israel palestine? So after october seven, what's the right path to just resolve this once and for all and just move forward again?

It's so sad to me because I would have never happened. A ran was broke. They had no money.

I sanctioned countries that wanted to buy oil from iran, and I won't made a fair deal with iran. I was gonna along with iran. I was going to get along with everybody.

We did the Abraham accords, I think, eventually, and would have been in the abram accords. We had four strong countries go in, and nobody went in since I got out. That whole things should have been loaded up right now.

What I should have been full. They did nothing with the Abrahama chords that everybody said, we're great. They said we going to get the ultimate prize because of that.

He was amazing. If anybody else, if a democrat did that, they have, they would have gotten what they would have gotten, every Price in the book, every Price in the book. But I did IT, and I was a great thing that we did IT was a phenomenal thing.

But when you look at what happened now and you see what's going on, it's very, very, very, very at that attack would have never happened in a million years a and didn't have the money for hamas, that didn't have the money for hezbollah, not have the money for any of the twenty eight other selves of terrorists, or whatever you want to call them. Iran was broke. I say, respectfully, they had no money and they weren't given money.

And actually, IT was a big story. When I was toward the end of my term, there was A A lot of big story that there was no Terry going on. Because iran didn't have the money, they had to survive.

We would have made a deal good for everybody. Everybody would have been happy. The main thing is a rank and have a nuclear weapon.

That was my main thing. The deal was a simple deal. A red can have a nuclear, you know, I can have a missile, can have a nuclear missile.

IT cannot have that nuclear capability. Other than that, we talk about everything. They would have been very happy.

I went, have been fine, and you would have had piece in the, at least the problem is I had them at a point where you couldn't negotiate. A child could have made a deal with them, and biden did nothing. He did nothing.

A child, a Young .

man that do nothing, or a Young woman that do nothing in kindergarten, and could made a deal with a rn at that time, because they wanted to make a deal, and I never took advantage of IT. Now they put back no sanctions, all of the different things that they gave up. China buys billions and billions of dollars of oil every month, many billions of dollars a month.

Other people bank. So right now has two hundred and fifty billion dollars cash. They made IT all in three and a half years, and now they are much suffer to deal with.

And I will tell you, I got along great with kim jong en. We solved that problem. Nobody was in danger.

But this is a big problem. This is a real problem. And within ninety days or so they're onna have and could have very well a nuclear weapon.

And israel is a big, is a big difference in israel between a ran with a nuclear weapon and a ran without a nuclear weapon. And a lots of luck in that negotiation. That's going to be a much more difficult negotiation.

Present trumper, I wanted to ask you a question about, uh, movie wade, you promised, uh, you are base that you would overturn rovio. Wade, you added three people to supreme court and you delivered on that promise. This might be the issue that determines the election and many people believe IT is, are you going to do a national abortion ban? Would you support that yesterday on so .

um I don't need a national ban because it's up to the states right now. What I did is something that people have wanted to do for from day one fifty one years. It's been going on.

And if you remember over the years you're too Young, but over the years, all they wanted to do is they wanted to make, take them out of the federal government and move IT into the states. And I got that done with the selection of three great justice I gotta done. And IT was a big thing.

But I will say, over the last ten years, or maybe a little bit more than that, they started talking about the number of weeks, and this and that a lot of different subjects came in. I was so long as just simply bring him back. Every legal scholar, from democrats to republican, liberal conservation, all wait IT brought, given to the states.

Because from a legal standpoint, from a lot of other standpoint, including even a moral standpoint, they wanted IT brought back to the states. And what I did is I got IT back to the states, and now the states are in charge and the people are voting. And some votes are coming out the way certain people wanted, and some votes aren't coming out the way certain people wanted.

I mean, if you look at ohio, I would. That was a more liberal vote than people would have thought. And you can say that for kansas. And then you look at texas, IT was a different story, but the people of the states have got that issue now and they're voting.

And the one thing that we have to remember that there has been a lot of radicalism talked about, and the radicalism is really on the left because they're willing to do abortions in the eighth and eighty months month. And even beyond that. I mean, we have some people, the governor, take a look at the governor of Virginia, the former governor vigna, where.

He talked about, we will kill the baby after the baby is born. That's a very radical stance. And hopefully that's all gonna taken off the table now. But just to put IT simply, it's now up to the states.

And like role, regan, i'm a believer in the exceptions, the three exceptions as you and rape, incest, life of the mother, uh, the danger for the life of the mother. And we have a situation now where it's in the state's hands and the states are going to be voting the lasting people want. The people are going to be voting. The lasting people want is for that to go back into the ferrer government. IT was always thought, and very importantly, and people wanted IT, they wanted IT back in the states where IT belongs .

legally and for a lot of .

other reasons. So wouldn't I would just shifting .

back to foreign policy for a moment, mister president, on the relationship with china. Funny how democrats and republicans seem to have a unified voice and playing in the drums on the the rise of china. Do you think that war with china is inevitable? And if not, how do we avoid IT?

I think it's not inevitable. I think it's unlikely. Uh, I know president he very well, and we ve got a long great until of IT.

And I wasn't so happy with them because I gave a to us. I said he came from the wall on lab. I was right about that. They said then he started in italy and then started in france and started everywhere but there. But IT started in china.

And IT was a many, many millions of people died all over the world and cost the world probably sixty three hundred dollars, which is more money than china has and more money than anybody has. The death and destruction has been unbelievable. But I think it's I think it's high.

If you have the right president, um we can live at peace with china. We can do very well with china, compete with china, but we don't have the right president right now. He's not respected by china. He's being left at by china and he's a mentorian candidate. I mean, he's received money from china, his family, and that makes him to me somebody that shouldn't be negotiating, think he's got a conflict of interest um but no, I don't see war which china is being inevitable at all.

President truck, do you think that fouche in our government funded gain of function research? And do you think we should really be pursuing the investigation deeply into that? And if we did fund gain of function research, what does that say about our government and taking ownership of the because a lot of us lost a lot of years kids didn't go to school and um equals economic damage.

As you pointed out earlier, the amount of money you had to spend try to avoid a depression was really severe. And if we funded that, what does that make you think about our government? And then thought I covering IT up, if that is in fact true, what is happy to think about .

our government? So if you remember on the one that stopped IT and I stopped IT, maybe for, uh, a lucky reason or an unusual reason, I said why we paying money to china IT wasn't about gain of function or anything else. That was why we pay money to china.

China get a lot of money and they're doing fine. You know we're considered like they want us to consider them a growing nation, A A nation and distress also. It's the things because they always take advantage of every treaty by saying that they need you know they h uh and improving nation.

I heard the other day they have all different terms were changing, but they are a growing nation where we are growing nation too. We're a nation that's becoming a third world nation based on what we're saying. But I was the one that stopped that when I saw that.

I was the one that that the fauci thing is an interesting phenomenon. Uh, he is so much, I was not a big fan of his, as you know, he said, no, let everybody come in from china. I overwrought him on that.

I overrode him on a lot, but he wanted the people from china. When I heard about this, I stopped IT. We had a room loaded up with people, and nobody could even believe IT. But I stopped IT. We would have lost hundreds of thousands of people, more, maybe more, much more, maybe over the millions, but hundreds of thousands of people more had I stopped people coming in from .

just he lie to you about the origin of the well.

i've always said the origin was, um you know where I came from, where originally came from with the world on lab, I happen to think he escaped from the wall. Hang lab. I mean, I don't believe I came from the batch in two thousand miles away caves.

I don't believe I came from other countries as china tried to convince people that did. Uh, I thought a child had called the china virus because IT was a very much more accurate term cover. Nobody knows what covered even means. Why is IT coit ah, but now I was always, but did found you lie to you.

I guess, is what the american people want to know? Did found you lie to you? If he did, should he be?

I don't think um I dealt you have to understand how he was a much bigger factor in the bike administration than he was in the drop administration. I didn't rely on him that much because I didn't trust him. I would say, get along with them.

fine. Not really. But I didn't trust him. And again, I was the one that stopped the money going to china.

I didn't like IT. I didn't stop IT because you've covered. I didn't stop IT because of anything other than why are we paying money to china? IT was strange.

They should pay us money which couldn't pay their money. One of the things I can tell you, the world health organization, so we pay them almost five hundred billion dollars, and china pays up thirty nine million dollars. And so I got out of the world health organization, did absolutely nothing.

They called IT totally wrong. I got out. They called me, and they said, will do anything to keep you in anything, anything I said, well, why are they paying thirty nine million? We're paying almost five hundred million.

And they said, well, we're work out a deal where you could pay much less. I said, well, now you're starting to talk. But even that IT was very popular when I get out.

IT was very politically, would have been very hard to go back in. People were thrilled that I got out. I could have made a deal to go in for thirty nine million. They offered me a deal to go in for thirty nine million and actually turned IT down.

I said, you know, that should be a third IT should be if you look at where three hundred and fifty million and one point four billion people, right, so been twenty five percent or less than that, but I didn't want equipped, but I could have gone back in immediately for thirty nine million dollars. I supposed to five hundred. Then A A horrible, horrible election, which help destroy our country, took place in twenty twenty and they went back in and they're paying more than five hundred hundred dollars and they knew I couldn't made a deal.

Now it's a lot of money, not when you talk about the world, but it's still a lot of money and IT but IT shows you the stupidity of the whole thing. They couldn't a deal for thirty nine million. Instead, they paid much more than they paid even before.

And that's the way the mindset of our country is. And here's the big part, china totally controls the W. H.

O. China totally controls them. We have very little control over them. And now they want to give control over a whole country to them, which would be a terrible mistake.

Faulty brings up sort of the kind of deep state personality that you talked about in twenty sixteen. That's kind of like a riddle all over the government. How much progressed do you think you made and how what do you want to do if you become president november? And do you have goals around the deep state this time around?

And what are they when I have a lot of things, I mean, I did a lot of things at the epi. I fired a lot of their top people, including coming whose terrible at what he did, a terrible person and terrible at what he did. I've fired my cave.

And, you know, I don't have to go through lisa and struck in a lot of the that lovers and applied the whole of people. I get rid of them. And uh and you know so many of the agents are so incredible in the FBI down below, but we ve got rid of a lot.

We you take a look at the world healthy again. We got out of the world healthy. We got out of the this is a similar thing that you know, this is really similar to your answer, but we got at the world healthy organization, which was a tremendous like, we get rid of the paris accord.

The paris accord was a disaster. Or for us, we were going to pay a trillion dollars, and other countries were paying nothing. Russia was paying nothing.

China was paying nothing. I didn't even kick in for china until twenty thirty wars with us, and kicked immediately. So I got rid of the paris accord.

I did a lot of things having to do with not only people, but tremendous amounts of money, because the paris, the court was so unfair. And I said, you know, when I do this, people are not gna like IT, but I have to do IT because it's right. People loved IT.

The public understood that they loved IT. And now they've gone back into the paris of court at the same terms. And even worse then, the terms I got out.

Truly a shame. It's so many things. It's so sad to see so many things. I, I mean, the W H, O, the paris accord, you take a look at these things. They could have gone back if they wanted to go back.

If they had a, they could have gone back for a fraction of what they were doing. And they're very unfair to the united states. We're like a lapdog for every other country.

the present. And I know you running out of time here. So we have a chance to for you to speak to the border situation yet. So I want to give you a chance to to address that because it's always been really one of the your main issues since always since two thousand sixteen, you wanted to build a wall.

The democrat, everything they could to sort that, you build the wall, but then buy in, left a bunch of holes in IT, then sold off the parts for scrap metal, and now we've had the and repealed your executive water. So I want to give you a chance to speak to that. Despite one piece, I want to just add in a as a follow question is a lot of taxi you say, uh, if we fix the border, can we get more h one bees for tech workers so can you address that as well as what's gone out of the border?

yes. So we built hundreds of miles of world, David, as you know, and were very proud of IT. We did IT as per specification by the border patrol.

They wanted exactly the world that we did with the climb, padding on top with steeled concrete and then read. And all of the things that they they wanted have vision through IT, clearly through IT. And because I thought about concrete plank, Frankly, going up forty or fifty feet, and they did like that, they wanted to have vision through.

And I understood that too. I sort of disagreed with that, but that's okay. We actually brought climbers in mount devers climbers to climb and and we built a very hard world to climate is a very effective world, uh, and we built a hundreds of mouth. And then we we're going to add quite a bit at the very end.

And we we bought about two hundred additional miles, and I was ready to be put up could bit put up in three weeks, maybe four weeks, and areas that were rough, areas that were people coming because as you build the wall, they go in different areas, right? They go further out. Uh, the IT was so effective.

IT was so effective. Mexico gave us a lot of troops for free because of a certain negotiations that I add with them. You are that. But IT was so effective of the war, but biden, they didn't want to put up those slaves that we're going up routinely by us. That means you had gaps you have as an example, you have gates in certain that we put up.

We were going to put up big, powerful gates that we could open and um you could let equipment through its center except if you did in IT. And they get rid of everything they solved IT for five cents on the dollar, much of IT five cents on the dollar. I said I can't believe in and that's the first time that I said they're serious.

They actually won open batters. They won an open border. Nobody could believe that.

I couldn't believe IT, because I never believe they wanted an open border because he would be stupid enough to want an open border. Look what's happened with an open border. I was very proud of that.

We built, we had the safest border in the history of our country, and now we have the worst border in the history of the world. We had a safe border. I had a remain in mexico policy, uh, catching release in mexico, not in the united states.

Everything was so good, but the remaining mexico was a big deal, not easier to get. But IT was a big deal. They were, until you want hundreds of thousands of people, they had to be approved to come into our country.

And now you look at what's happened. We've been overrun. It's an invasion of our country by people.

Many people come out of jails and prisons. They come out of mental institutions in the asylum. And we have terrorists coming into our country at a level that we've never seen before.

I never understood why the wall was so controversial. You know, every country needs of a border, and the walls are really good weight and force a border. I never understood why they were so animated about stopping you from building the wall.

After you ran on that issue, two thousand sixteen, they held you up for years with litigation. And then like you said, they won't just finish the little pieces of IT and they left big holes in IT. And I think you're right. The only conclusion is they want to open border. I mean, how is you explain .

that they want to destroy our country? You know, the fact is, it's incredible. The big mistake I made, I should have said, I will not build a wall.

We do not want a war. And that will would have gone up in fifteen minutes. The more important point.

I think, a mister president is we need high skilled workers in this country. Yes, we need to recruit the best and brace from world every time we get somebody superintelligent from india or europe, any country.

that one immigrants here.

yeah, and three of the four here immigrants, the ones with appetite. And we get these late people into our country, and that's a loss for our adversity and our competitors, and it's a game for us. But i've never heard you talk about this. Can you please promise us you will give us more ability to import the best and brightest around the world to america? I do promise.

but I have to do agree. That's why I promise. Otherwise I wouldn't promise. Let me just tell you that it's so sad when we lose people from harvard IT, from the greatest schools and less lesser schools that are phenomenal schools also.

And what I wanted to do, and I would have done this, but that we had to solve the covered problem, because that came in and sort of dominate for a little while, as you perhaps know. But what I want to do, and what I will do, is you graduate from a college. I think you should get automatically, as part of your diploma, a Green card to be able to stay in this country.

And that includes junior colleges. To anybody graduates from a college, you're going there for two years or four years if you graduate, or you get to actor degree from a college, you should be able to stay in this country. And you know more stories than I do.

But I know of stories where people graduated from a top college or from a college, and they desperately wanted to stay here. That a plan for a company, a concept, and they can, they go back to india, they go back to china, they do the same basic company in those places, and they become multi billionaires, employing thousands and thousands of people. And he could have been done here.

And a bigger example is you need to pull of people to work for your companies. You have great companies, and they have to be smart people. Not everybody can be less than smart.

You need brilliant people. And we force the brilliant people, the people that graduate from college, of people that are number one of their class. For the best colleges, you have to be able to recruit these people and keep the people IT was such a big deal.

Somebody graduates at the top of the class. They can even make a deal with the company because they don't think they're going to be able to stay in the country. That is going to end on day one.

That's fantastic. Yeah.

that's great. why? I think we all whole hardly agree with that in the being in the tech industry.

We understand the importance of that. They're telling us that you have to go to determine president. So thank you so much for spending so much time with us. We really appreciated.

It's been great having this conversation that one questions when you got elected in in the sixteen alledge, you said the first thing or one of the things you wanted to do was released the J, F, K. File and then you said later I saw IT and I just I wasn't really ready to do IT and then I saw a clip where you change your mind and you said, I think we're ready to see this file and i'm just curious .

what's in IT.

what I would know about that, what happened like .

what I actually did do IT. I released a lot, as you know. But when I came to the whole thing, I was hit by some people that work for me that are great people that you would respect, and they asked me not to do that.

And i'm saying, why? Tell me why. And they said, sure, I think that needs to learn more time. And I released a lot, but I said, if they feel so strongly, I respect the people and would would have done that again this time.

I'm just gonna IT. R, F, K says the C, I, I killed.

do you think n CIA that asked me. But I think CIA was probably behind IT, but they didn't they won't prefer that are not released the rest of IT. So we didn't give quite a bit ah it's gonna done early on.

A lot of people want to see that. And whatever you may say, I won't say so, have an idea. But uh, whatever is, it'll be very interesting for people to see and we going to have to .

learn from IT promise.

I will come back again. There are other things .

release what .

will talk to you about IT of americans, by the way, I generally speak and there are reasons not to really certain things, obviously, but I gender know it's transparency and I I think it's important that we released that. And there are other things. So there are other things that you know about.

But people, more than anything else, they want the J, F, K. files. We're going to a release that immediately you have .

a prediction for the debate next week. What's going to happen?

Well, all I can say is this, I watched him with pause, yan, and he destroyed paul yan, paul yan, with the water he was juggling and water at the left and right. I didn't think a human being would be able to drink so much water at one time. And he people, right? So I am not underestimating him.

I'm not underestimating him. IT is what IT is. We will see what happens. But you take a look at the last one. I'd happened to think he's incomplete for a lot of reasons. I think he's incomplete because he has gotten the worst policies, both foreign policy and internal policy. I mean, who would not want to have a war, who once have millions of people pouring in, who once have high taxes, know taxes are going to raise by four times if this guy has a place, he incognito.

Cline, do you believe he's incognito? Cline, present.

I shouldn't the one to say that, but I don't think he's doing particular well. But I didn't think he was. Well, twenty five years ago, I thought he was not a smart person.

And that was told to me by a certain member of the Kennedy family who was actually very friendly with me through upon battery relationship. And I was told that very strongly. But so I was never fan of his, but I will say he did.

Uh, he beat paul ryan still years ago, but he beat paw ryan pretty badly. And um I assume he's gonna h somebody that will be a worthy debate. You I would say, I think I don't want to underestimate him.

I think that smart, well, your your, your team is telling us that they need to go to a dinner mous present. Obviously, we could keep going for ours and hours, but. It's been great to great to have you for the last hour here. And if it's been great to getting to know you with the dinner that we did, and we hope that you will come back on our show pocket are getting bigger and bigger. So the fully in your second term, you'll come on here and .

talk us again. Think biden .

would .

do this interview. I don't. Sox, absolutely. I don't. The interview, you very. Thank you very.

you very much.

Thank you and thank you.

sir. You have IT. wow. I was some hour, boys.

what do we think?

But through a rap up on to a little rap here.

who jack out.

what are? What are you? Big take away.

But I one decided, as you know, we had a limit, amount.

time with him and I ve say, say you'd like him, you didn't. You are just say that because it's .

written all across your face.

You ask great questions and he just dealt with them the head on just admitted you like you like up you.

Like I .

told you my point, whether you whether you come wanting to vote for the present or not, sure everybody needs that. I think just sit in a room and just hear him out.

If you if you are in into the question, what i'll say that is there there are some blockers I have that we didn't get to generate six obvious ly. I did you know one of the blockers I have is obviously rov e wade, and I think he handle all that question really well. And I think we may have a little bit breaking news there in terms of him saying he would not do the national ban.

And I think that's a big and certain people have. And I think that maybe the issue according to a lot of experts and sort of something like to according a lot of experts, people believe that could be the deciding issue of the election. And so I think he handled that really well by saying the state you're going to choose and he's not going to the federal government. He used the exemption.

He was very unequipped about that, really clear that he would not do a national band, really clear that the states would decide. And further more, he understood that the states are deciding there's been a bunch of reference at the same level, and they are generally coming out at on the pro choice side. And he indicated that he understood that some of the votes are not turning out the way the people he has thought and he can eighty expect cracks and to and democracy on that issue ah so I think he he nailed that that question.

I think he was very definitive about ukraine not entering nato, and I think he was very definitive about A H one b policy that's pro productivity and immigration.

That was the part like best .

if i'm giving grad Green cards.

that's like such a good breaking news to, by the way, I think we elevated the discussion about immigration beyond the wall and into recruitment, which is what I have been trying to do on this pocket for a couple years year now. So to hear the president say I will do that for you because I want that, that to me was paddled. And you know there's a lot of things I agreed with them on and the january six up we get to. So apologies, audience, on that. I know what people have feelings about that, but you know you can only get so much from fifty minutes and interview.

I think did to the whole town hall on that issue remain, quite Frankly, I felt like we do with a lot of substance here. So but chromos, I agree with you. He was really clear on ukraine ine.

He went further than he has in the past. And the past he said that you'll get a peace deal very quickly and that he wants the people to stop dying. But in this interview, he went further.

He said that if france or other european counties send in troops, U. S. Death will not participate in that we are not consent. American boots on the ground, the by administration. I don't think I said that definitively the way that president trumps said IT.

Moreover, he understood that a major cause of the war was the desire to bring ukraine and ta nne o and i've never heard i've never heard anyone administration say that. And he went further and said, they keep saying these provocative things about, you know, even now they keep repeating that ukraine screen part of nata. So he understood, he understood the provocation there. Favorite.

where shall take on him? You have to come and said, we are voting for, but this is your first time interacting with them. How be IT for fifty minutes in a group setting?

But where you it's a it's a difficult forum because we can't go deep and ask responsive questions and we don't have a lot of time and this four of us to ask questions. So the format is a little difficult to get to the heart of the matter on on some these complicated topics like federal spending two yeah and and I think you need to just be able to like honey on the question, you know his response on how we're gona reduce kind of the bureaucratic overhead and the wasteful spending and the federal government and he kind of pivoted to the department of education that three percent of the federal bug I want to talk about the rest of IT and you know we're at IT took us two hundred years as a country to add a trillion authors to our federal death to go from zero to a trillion.

And now we're adding a trillion every hundred days, and it's gna take a lot more than just one to three percent cuts in spending to get us out of the, you know the spiral of that we're in. I also am concerned very um I I think very rightly so and I can keep acknowledges the concerns that were mentioned by Larry summers that terms plus tax cuts could lead to a serious inflation and economic contraction. Those are really difficult things to do together unless you have a very clear plan for massively cutting spending at the federal level.

So I don't feel like I got to the heart matter on those points. And as you guys know that what I care so deely about, I think we need to fix the machine to be able to do the things we want the machine to do over time. And I am very deeply worried about that.

A couple reactions to that. So number one is, I thought I was interesting how he reacted to the question about Larry summer because he knows Larry summer and I said several very time, very things towards him so he may not agree with him on everything, but he said that Larry got ten a bunch of things right and he's interesting guy and and Larry did get the inflation call right member at the very beginning of the by ministration.

So IT was interesting. I thought that present trampin that question, very taker. len. I think it's not like he was to attack anyone.

anything like we really buy. He's going to do this terrible thing anyway like IT seems like that's a bit of pandering maybe at the voter base, IT sounds like a great solution. But I don't think .

is yeah once the economic advisors get together and look at the analysis and what this will do to cost things, inflation will go up and said, you know maybe there's a rethink ultimately on how that implemented and on what particular slices of the economy is implemented. So i'm sure, as you point out, to probably get turned down for this, you know to even become a reality .

ah yeah just on on the second piece on the deficit. You know, jack, you asked a pretty gh question there where U. S. C. Said, look, your death, the dead has grown as much under your first term as IT has .

undergoing. Remember that the and it's almost exactly point .

five to four and one that look year of code. We were dealing with a potential depression. He mentioned that the economy GDP was down thirty percent.

Yeah, he talked to about nineteen .

twenty nine yeah yeah, exactly yeah. He based explained that we had to do that. But then after that, we shouldn't keep going.

And I do think that trump is just not as bigger spender as biden. I mean, biens been to washing for fifty years. He thinks governments, the answer for everything.

He loves spending money. And he spent trillions on kova even after we didn't need to. So I get the sense that trump was a reluctant spender and nothing he didn't spend but whereby and I think is a eager spender.

And yeah, I I think that I think if you have to .

what's to spend because it's popular, I just think it's their nature.

I think if trump had the power by himself to rain and spending, I think he would. I think the issue is that the president by himself can do that much.

which is what my follow up question was, right? I was trying to ask him, can you actually do IT as president or not? Like is they're at the where with all to do IT.

I think the other aspect I wanted to see, i'm really glad he talked about d dolorifuge and I mentioned IT up front. And so that to me really that IT really rings true to the effect of U S. Spending U.

S. Foreign policy. So much of this is driving, and i'm concerned about, right, driving the sauce into the arms of the chinese and and other foregate adversity to the united states. And I would have really like to have spent a little time with him on the sadi relationship where he sees that headed, how the saudi relationship will affect the middle ast and how the saudi relationship could affect the U. S. Dollar and and dollar reserves around the world, I think is acutely aware of the dollar ation and uh, foreign reserves and dollars being sold down and that the there are serious effects to that. I didn't hear follow up on like what the specific responses will be uh you know uh to the drivers there, which I I I would have loved to have spend a little more time.

you think will be the vial moments to, if any, what do you think the mainstream media or social media will take from this any moment you think for breaking news or notable?

Well, I think there's a lot of clarity on a couple of important points. One is federal ban on abortion. I think that, that's important news for a lot of people.

The second is, is clarity on h one bees, which is very different from what has to be done at the border. And I think that was very clear. And you and I think it's very positive for our community, meaning the tech.

absolutely. And we need that clarity. We are trying to hire these people and we are losing them every day. And then the third was I think the clarity on nato was also very definitive, and I think that is important.

The fourth, which was an implication of what he said, which is a little depressing, is I think there's a lot of us that want to see this israeli palestine conflict resolved. And I think what he's saying is we can't because we've lost the gene out of the bottle, we have an adversary. Now with the quarter of a truly dollars of access cash, who has no incentive to negotiate the run that's on.

So that's really depressing. And then the fifth one was around this J F K thing. I the reason why I asked the J F K question is not necessarily that I have a specific interest in J, F K, but it's emblematic of it's a proxy for this deep state, this idea of secrets, for this idea of there's a layer of people that are embedded in the united states government that decides on behalf of all of us. And I think when you have somebody who can push back against that and use transparency and sunlight. As the cleansing function.

that is what we need. If we're gna rebuild trust in our government and institutions, we're going to need a lot more transparency. And if that once hanging out there, why not resolve IT IT? I mean, I did he say he thinks the C, I, C, I did IT. I think I heard say that yes.

And what I heard was he said was behind the people are influencing him, not to. I think the script.

he did not say .

that he felt the C, I, A, he can come anywhere close. He said that he thought the C, I, A was behind that. We're telling him here to not do IT and he listens to.

I have trust in respect for that, which I think that's a reasonable judgement. The moment I could see that transcription, my point is exposing that is a very important way of giving the influence and power back to the people. I've mentioned this quote for mike pompeo, which is really powerful.

But it's something to the effective, you know, the people on the top floor of the C. I. A. Do not believe it's a democrat or republican that runs america, but that they do.

And he said that in the context of being asked, what is the won regret you have over some of the biggest regrets you have in running the C. I. A. And pompeo said that he didn't fix that. So I think that there is a lot of embedded versions of this establishment class that lurk in many institutions, whether it's the E, P A, whether it's the C I A, where there is the N I H, and if there are ways in which the president can unlock the data that's necessary, or the information for all of us to have a little bit more clarity on what's happening, I think it's important. And I do think for many people, that the G, F, T, file is representative of a lot of them well.

and then dug, telling that sex, the voucher discussion where he said, I don't trust I did, I never trusted fouche. And then kind of pushing IT on, like, do you think you should be prosecuted? Did we fund IT or not? Seemed pretty clear. He believes we funded dinner research. His position was I just didn't want to spend the money, which I appreciate about IT with china .

with china yeah spend the money .

in china yeah yeah and and so I think what you think of that point.

yeah well, I thought that his response on that was similar to a lot of his response, which is he did not take the edge position that he was sort of being teeth up to take. I mean, kind of like same thing with like Larry summer thing, you know he he had mild criticism, I thought for fouche, but he didn't go scorch earth at all on .

fouche there and just .

nobody said nobody trusts for nobody. Nobody trusts fouche. You asked him whether file prosecuted. He did not take the bate on.

He was very respectful. Actually I was very surprised to hear how he respected fouche and how he framed the his response to that question. And I think that says a lot.

But can I tell you why you're surprised? Because I think we have been fed, this is what i'm saying, we have been fed. And narrative of what president trump looks like now, in fairness, were also being fed, and narrative of what president bike is like.

And this is why you have to see these men up close and personnel l for yourself. Because, David, the fact that you're surprised is less about the fact that Donald trump has changed, right? It's more the fact that you've been told a narrative and you've believe IT.

And so now when you see the actual truthy after we underwrite on the second, he's actually prety thoughtful. He's pretty presidential. He doesn't go off on people. That's not what you probably are going in because that's not what the main from media purchase about what you should .

be thinking about and fair. He has gone in on people pretty hard of all.

He's account puncher, I don't think hit people unless they had him first. I mean that this pattern, but look, I I, I agree with chaos hier that my overall take on this and looked my position is is clear. But I wrote a long post on x endorsing ing trump a couple weeks ago.

But everything I heard here in this interview was consistent with the reasons why I stated I want to support him. He clearly favors a pro growth agenda. He wants to keep taxes low or and reasonable.

He wants to reduce regulations. He wanted to increased number of h one bees, get the dream team over here for tech while ceiling the border, while cutting down OK crime in blue cities. He talked about our crime was out of control.

He wants to negotiate peace. als. He, I think, understands very well why we have this war going on in europe. Overall, I heard a lot of reassuring things, and I didn't hear anything that I would put in the category of a grievance or a desire for revenge. You know, the media trying to portray him .

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something like that I did. But lets be clear, he said over again, I will be your retribution. So he may not have set IT on this podcast.

Did you get any of that in this interview?

No, i've just heard him say IT fifty times till sixty days.

So what tax? Where would you like to have seen him?

Where would you .

like to have seen be stronger or different on any of his major positions? What what would you, as his adviser advised him to shift or double down on a bit?

Well, I mean, I think your mouth is right that with respect to the middle east, the I think his position isn't perfectly clear because it's not only about iran in the middle east, right? Um yeah but the truth that matter is politically, I don't know that he could say more and you know I think that is a very, very tough issue where you're bound to alienate and polarize one side of the other. And so I think he's sort of definitely walking a tight rope there.

But when he says that would never have happened, like I was like I would never happened to me, I would like to have a little more of the why why do you believe that? And he never gets into the details. He says that over.

But maybe he's right. You know, I like when I hear to talk, what I hear is someone who's is a deal maker. He is a deal maker in business now. He is a deal maker politically. He's willing to have conversations with anybody. There was even a moment when he's talking about on where he said maybe he could have worked out a deal um but in any event, he somebody who I think is willing to negotiate, which is I think is a positive thing because one last buy negotiate and anything he is .

interested at all I I didn't get to ask, but you know, one of the things I had chewed up was you I just think you ve done a phenomenal job in talking to people who most people feel are difficult people to get along with, you know, can join G. N. This is a superpower socking to dictators, uh, despots, people who are constantly rous and difficult. And he always seems to get the Better of them or at least get at least gets our interest as americans aligned with whatever they're interest. I yeah I I don't want .

to be insulting asked, like in the past you said that he was embracing the dictators and he was cow towing to I I think you have said comments like that in the past where yes, or something that felt like he was more trying to embrace and engage with them in a way that's like .

why I felt you should talk everybody all the time. No, that's not my issue with wrong. It's never been my issue with.

I think that's a superpower. The fact that he went into north korea and stepped over in the D. M.

C. You use of a look on kim jung's face, he just kim jungen just wants a little attention. He wants a little recognition.

And this idea like we're not going to give him any recognition is stupid because if you give him a little recognition now, you're sort of telling him towards, hey, maybe you could be part of this, like, maybe you could come to the west and see a movie premiere or come to the N. B. A. finals. I supposed to start robbing, you know, disfunctional missile over japan like me.

Video, they are like setting up little press shooting goo. N first.

when do you need to go over? And should I go over? Should I do? IT I go over? OK and kim jung, len is beaming, and you're like, he just played him. He played them like he walk ten feet into north korea. And now, kim jone, I don't be an answer .

question I did want to ask him about like dios, prediction of, like the cycle of empires, five hundred years.

six empire of cycle. Well, lets play a factual freewill. You, how do you compare the answers you've heard to what you have heard or what you think president biden sensors would be to the things that you care about?

I honestly feel like there's a little bit of a blinder to the question, like there's a pivot back to what i've done, what i'll do, what verses the like. Let's actually talk about where we are in the debt cycle. And this is exactly what like history repeating itself at the time that you take on all the debt, you drive internal conflict.

January sex, the great like data point, you drive external conflict. We've had two or three war start in the last four years. How do we reverse those things so that we don't repeat history? And we SAT down with dolly and we asked him, this question is their way to not repeat history.

He said, yes. There is great talk with grain, Alice, and about this. And all these guys believe that there's a way to avoid IT there.

The moments where we've nearly had the external conflict, not I asked him about war with china, but I want to understand if there is a broader kind of construct of what is going on because he he hits on all the data points correctly, d dollar zo incase spending, bloated bureaucracy, conflicts around the world without taking IT all into perspective and saying, men like this is where empires die. I guess he does say that right? He does actually .

highlight exactly what ay has said to the popular exactly. And you just to take that next male e step and say, I will cut, have the people working at these places? He kind of did say that when IT came to education, I don't know what your interpretations are.

Gentleman to an entrepreneur. Economy, right? Allow capital. I think he did say around regulation. And then with respect to the bureaucracy.

he pointed to education, he .

energy, he pointed to the E. P. A.

The right things are on his right, are screen. No.

I just want get the right .

people around and act like I. Put, put smart.

We need we cabinet, cabinet and advisers, nuclear on the gulag and nuclear on A I like that .

in twenty sixteen. There was not the kind of people that, for example, were at this fund raiser. The David and I organized was, I think, entirely different than what you saw in twenty sixteen.

And I do think there is an opportunity where if you dip your hand, like there is a Young man in the audience who answer this A I question, and he talked about public key, private key, crypto phy. IT was beautiful. IT was amazing, very technical person. But there are all these people that are coming out of the woodwork. To your point, if he can figure out how to build a cabinet with those people, meaning this extremely technical, thoughtful people, then there's a real shot that you can change.

I hope that right. I pulled up some some data going into our conversation. I just want here with you guys. Totally off topic. But I I get just want to say we can cut IT out if you want.

But you know, construction for the Frances got keyboard, which is one point six miles long when IT was built in nineteen and seventy seven, was one hundred and forty one million bucks, about seven hundred and forty million in today's dollars. Today they're estimating to repair you know that the bridge that collapsed um involve more they're saying it's gonna cost you know two billion dollars or more to repair that bridge. Now you know forty years later, california's bullet train project in two thousand and eight was supposed to cost forty billion.

Were fifteen years into the thing, we spent eighteen billion. They're now asking for a hundred and forty billion total to build a hundred and seventy one mile track. That's a billion A E. That's a billion a mile. Let me just tell you this other fact.

China is yeah.

And china just spent three hundred billion to build sixteen thousand miles of high speed rail. They're spending eighty million a mile that two percent of the cost of the california high speed rail system, two percent per mile. We are fifty times more expensive than china.

That is where super powers shift. That is where that is the fundamental premise of the shift that we've seen fast solutions. And yet if these .

two men trump er bide, in which one do you think is going be more skeptical of the government spending and which one is going to be more interested in being conducive to the private sector solving problems?

I mean, to me, there's no which .

obviously trump s is his. All of his instincts are, let's empower the private sector is cut regulations, let's make taxes reasonable, let's get the smartest people in the country, let's have peace deals, let's have growth.

What do you think?

fever? I have heard conversations that there is an economic argument. I don't if I buy IT, that one of the reasons that they're trying to leave the border open is there is a um low cost labor pool that grows that actually is is beneficial to economic growth that um there is just not enough in the workforce today is like think about the cost of building that railroad of in in china versus the U S.

You know the the average income in the U S. Is is uh uh a couple turns on what IT is in china. You can also say you do the question between the two yeah yes.

this question .

more specifically .

yeah as .

yeah honestly, who I think is closer to your desired up trumper by I I think trump is hits on IT like way more than more than us yeah he definitely hit on the the concerns that I have. I don't know he has like the path that makes me feel like what's like this is gonna biden just and and I think the other thing I worry about is the leadership problem with trump, meaning I don't mean him as a leader in in terms of effectiveness.

But just just like trump arrangement syn rome is not something to be ignored and to be disparaging of the people that we all, you know that not we all, but people say have trumped arrangements sync me. It's a fundamental like tilting that he does and he tells half the people in the country he told them. And I think that, that is really and maybe the other side .

as well does not mean we should have a worse president.

So so that's that's an argument or or maybe he want tried maybe there's a way to use unifying speech instead of divisive speech. And that is my other .

concern is just like bar or you speak directly to the people and you end up where jack, eliza and where you're at, which is you've heard him face to face really for the first time.

I want to hear by and face to face .

I want to have a long converse don't .

have an on here too and were waiting breathest from to accept the invitation. You got a coming on the show like he said yeah and took all questions yeah. So you're got to give trap olot a credit for that.

But freed to your point about the T D. S for a second look, when bin ran in two thousand twenty, he promised to return to Normal sea. That was ics, his sales pitch we had just gone through.

Covet, you know there were a lot of people who at T, D, S, were told to buy trump. And what byan said is we're going to have Normal cy. What actually happened? Well, I think biden began this incredible partisan and verdict program of law fare, trying to prosecute not just trump, but a lot of other people.

We had the border basically opened up, I mean, by and repealed all those executive voters on day one, and did create those holes in the wall. There is absolutely no reason for that. We had this, warn ukraine.

That was easily avoidable if they just said the right things back in twenty twenty one. And I mean, I could go on I mean on on the issue of tech like we talked about, everyone feels frozen right now. Crypt o kk, in a regulatory framework, no one can do ma.

So have we gotten the Normal sea that we were promised? I don't think so. And on the other hand, what I heard from trump in this interview was like IT IT was sort of soft, and he did not go score to earth when even only invited him to. He did not say .

cost to functions.

He did not like he had nice words to say about Larry summers. Yes, he was. No, I thought this was a very moderate sounding trump.

Maybe it's a different approach and i'm wrong and i'm just referencing the history with him. And I do agree with you that the way he spoke today about people that have been and tagish about him or to him, like Larry summers and fouche, did surprise me, particularly after years of him sending out these tweet every morning about people that are tagish about him and IT was quite refreshing, honestly, and I felt different. So, you know, I will give him credit on that point. I will, I will like, agree you on that side for sure.

The point is, I think that we had an opportunity to review the present united states. congrats. I think we talked about a broad spectrum of issues. I wish we had more time. I think he answered them precisely, and I think he was handed, and I think that he gave us new information, which I think is important.

And I think IT allowed you guys to see what I saw, which is, if you are an independent or not a republican corner co by name, and you have a pregnant eive notion of what president drop is like, it's very difficult to keep. That notion is my point after you hear him and after you meet him. And I think that that's a very important thing to keep in mind because I don't think IT says as much about present trump as IT does about the ones with which we are thought to think about all of these people, including president bide. So I would just say you ve got to think for yourself, and that's the most important takeaway. And I think that we are giving people ground truth data to underwrite your own opinion.

Everybody, this has been another amazing episode of impact test. Thank you. Have thanks for getting president trump to come on.

President biting you are, of course, invited. Come on. We encourage you to come on. Give us fifty minutes to give us an half.

whatever you got. No.

we've ask. I'm always restating the record had view by some means somebody, his group says we should now talk to the alien team. Since I top in markets and other president candidate on who know maybe somebody decides is going to be able to keep up with group, I don't think you can keep up.

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