Sheryl Crow
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Yes, I have actually stayed at Airbnbs from time to time. And truth be told, I do really like them. I'm being totally honest right now that I've had great experiences with them. Yeah. I mean, you can have your look at you go get your own place, get your own pool, your own living room. You're not going to walk in an elevator. You're not going to see people when you're walking around in your undergarments. Yeah.

Yes. And if you don't understand what we're talking about, you should go online. What we're saying is you have a house with a kitchen and a bathroom and it's just for you, tailored for you. You liked your Airbnb over a hotel. Yes. And I do think I've had relatives stay nearby and sometimes it's very nice for them to do an Airbnb and have a little house and they're not underfoot. The last thing you want is your house guest to say, excuse me, um,

Where would I find a towel? That's a toughie when it's because they're naked. Well, it's like the 1800 time you say on the towel rack. Yeah. Thank you. I was going to look there. People don't even think hotels sometimes just go, Hey, I'll go there. I'll get an Airbnb. So you won't regret it. Sheryl Crow is such a super talent. Great. We're doing musical people now that were music guests on the show.

I know Cheryl a little bit from the old days and seeing her out. And what a sweet girl. She has done so many things. She sings with everybody that's famous. That's great. Highly respected. We had a great chat with her. Yeah. If you look at her peers or singer songwriters, female from the 90s till now, I mean, her legacy, the amount of anthems she wrote, the amount of great hits she

So it's a really fun chat we had with her. And she's, you know, as likable as they come. And just knowing she has all that talent. And she started playing the guitar at the very end. Yeah. Stay tuned for that.

Every girl I know in the last 15, 20 years, if any of those songs come on, they all love Cheryl. She knows what she's doing, writing, everything. And so I've seen her in concert. She kicks ass. I saw her documentary. We talk about that.

She's a great person to hang with. We had fun. At one point she said, could I tell this story? And I said, if it makes you happy. If it makes you. I go, my. That's like, once you get that song in your head, you never get it out. That's such a banger. I mean. Yeah. That's her. That's one of the anthems. The girl's always saying, I'm not the kind of girl you take home. If it makes you happy.

See, I hit it. Why are you so sad? Her stuff is sneakily deep. She has these pop anthems, but the lyrics are pretty heavy. And we do get into the Beatles a little bit. Sorry, they're kind of part of our podcast. And it was fun to hear her sense of the Beatles. I don't want to give it away, but I would stay tuned for that. It's very, very interesting. Here's Sheryl Crowe.

I want Dana to come see. Dana, look, I know Cheryl, you dick. Oh my gosh! It's been 3,000 years since I've seen either one of you. Hi, Cheryl. Weren't you at the 40th? You were at the 40th, weren't you? Yes, I was. I was. So that's when we last saw each other. When was that? 2016, I think. That was 40 years into SNL. I know. It feels like, yeah.

Cheryl. Cheryl Crow is with us. I just like to say this. 32 Grammy nominations, nine wins, and 50 million albums. There. Just to re-remind everyone what the fuck is going on right now. What? Cheryl Crow.

Let me put on my glasses so I can see you. Okay, yes. You both are looking very well. I'm sorry that your listeners can't see us visiting with each other through our camera screens. I know. Even though this is all audio, I spent about 45 minutes on my chair and lighting and stuff. Yeah.

I don't know why. Oh, I spackled my face. I teased my hair. You got your guitars back there. The hair's looking great. Oh, Dana. I've always loved you. Dana looks like he's in solitary confinement. People can't see that. This room is empty of void, but all my son's models and little army men are in a plastic container and the laptop's on top of it. So it's very nostalgic when I do this.

Oh, he's 28 now, but now Dana, what is that room that you're in that has no art on the wall? Are you, is it everything must go personal? I have, um, sleep paralysis. So I have to sleep in an empty house cause they'll come for me. I have it. Yeah. Okay. I have sleep paralysis. How often? Um, I have not had it in a while, but now for a long time I would have it

almost every night and I would have it periodically through the night. And what's weirder, and I don't know if you have this, I'm sure this is so interesting to your listeners.

Do you ever have sleep paralysis on an airplane? No, I can't sleep on an airplane because I'm too terrified no matter what. I just watch the computer and check the pilots. I sleep like a damn baby on an airplane. Well, if you had any other... Sleep paralysis is basically you feel like something's attacking you invisibly in the night or there's a weight on your chest. What?

It's like a waking nightmare, kind of. You can't wake yourself up, and yet you think that you're awake. You see people in the room moving, and you're trying desperately to get them to wake you up because you're paralyzed. Yes, you can't move. And the thing that got me, it's the first time, San Ysidro Ranch in Montecito, whatever, you know, Lifestyles Rich and Famous.

Yeah.

Yeah. But now I talk to it. It's never harmed me. I don't know if it's a spirit thing or something. Dana, then what did you do? I beat the shit out of it. No, you left, didn't you? Well, my wife was sound asleep. So I turned to her and said, we have to go now. It's three in the morning. We have to leave immediately. And she's a keeper because she didn't even blink. She's like, okay. Okay, honey. Yeah. It's,

It's okay, honey. See, I thought it was just mostly in women. The women in my family have it. My mom has managed through the years to figure out how to get my dad to wake her up. And she does it by singing. Oh, interesting. Well, you're in Nashville. Isn't that full of ghosts out there? Isn't it full of ghosts, like old country singers and stuff? Yeah, and civil war.

Lots of Civil War ghosts in Franklin. Oh, it's never a dull moment down here. And we live in the rainforest, except for when it- I thought Cheryl was in Guitar Center. Yeah.

It does look like guitar sitting in here. She has 30 guitars behind her. Cheryl, I've been to Smashville, and next time I go there, I'm going to make you come down to the Ryman and watch me bomb. I'm so mad that you've been here and not called me. I take it very personally. You know, the last time I saw you, but you lived somewhere in the canyon. Yeah. If you had some beautiful house. I lived right next- It was like a couple of houses. Right next to Runyon Canyon.

Okay. And I won't give you the address because somebody else that's kind of high profile lives there now. However, that being said, I used to have wild parties at my house. And I don't know if you remember this. And I've only been thinking about it lately because...

of Salmon Rusty being in the news. Not to mention we just played Chautauqua. But so I'm sure you know what happened to Salmon Rusty. So many driver and I decided this is years ago. I'm trying to think of what year it would have been. Salmon's usually my plus one at parties. He is. He is. He is fascinating. Anyway, we said, let's have a New Year's Eve party together and you can invite 40 people and I'll invite 40 people. And that was going to be it.

And by about 11 at night, there must have been 800 people in my house. And one of them was Salman Rushdie. And it was right after his book had come out and there was a bounty on his head. And I'm just like, really? Is somebody get killed here tonight? What's happening?

I miss Hollywood. Your house was like a, was it a bunch of little houses or am I crazy? Yeah, it was a, there was a big old Spanish house and then across the driveway, which is the house I bought. And then right across the driveway on the same property were two other houses that

that were really old. One was built in the early 1900s and the other one was built in 1887. And the guy who lived in those, who had those two properties and the 11 acres

up selling it to me for he just needed to get out and kept lowering the price and lowering the price and so I wound up with all three houses and it was just compound magical but once I adopted my boys I just didn't want to live in LA anymore Dana I understand Dana I knew Cheryl Suzanne Crow a little bit you know everybody his Rolodex is metaphorical Rolodex we used to run

around in the same group. No, we did. I know. Courtney and Jen. What was that peer group? Was it kind of like the little club? Courtney Cox? Courtney Cox and Kid Rock was around. I was around with Kid Rock because of... It was during the Joe Dirt times when I saw Cheryl the most. And we call him Bobby, which I don't know. It's kind of gross, but we're always like Bobby Bob. But Kid Rock is a buffoon. He's hilarious. And...

We would all go out and then I would run into Cheryl with all those other people and she was always nice and she was always friendly and obviously being a superstar but...

Had a lot of fun. She has a great voice and she has a great singing voice, but she has a great voice too. I've heard it. And it was fun. I just watched your whole documentary. And so it's just weird to have you pop on right after. Cause I finished it this morning. Oh, you did? Oh yeah. It's great. It's kind of a tearjerker for some reason. There's,

I have it on in the background right now. I just glance at it. It's never a dull moment. It's brilliant. I put it up there with Top Gun. I put up there a Top Gun Maverick. By the way, can we sing Top Gun's praises for 10 seconds? Did you see it? I did like Top Gun. I don't know if I, what? Cheryl is a new Top Gun. It's shockingly good. Like my wife, both flip for it. It's like. Oh, the new one. The new one.

It was so good. Here's how I'm going to connect it and see if you guys connect to this. I connected to Roman Holiday with Gregory Peck and Audrey Hepburn. Interesting. The reason is it's done a lot, but they did it better than anyone else. You invest in the characters, invest in the story, and then there's seven minutes of Hans Zimmerman soundtrack with kind of people hugging each other and giving thumbs up. And that's the part that...

Get you. Anyway. Wow. Okay, I'm going to go back and watch it. I dragged my boys to see it because they had no attachment to Top Gun. And I was kind of skeptical, but I'd heard how great it was. And we loved it. I mean, it was such a good old-fashioned plot-driven movie. Anyway. How old are the kids? My kids are 15 and 12. Oh, right in the pocket. Oh, okay. That's perfect. Yeah.

And they seriously don't think I'm cool at all. It would be weird if they did. Oh my God, is Sheryl Crow cooking me a pancake? Yeah. Tell them to watch the documentary. They'll see how cool you are. Do you think I should let them watch it? I don't know. I don't look at it from their eyes, but it shows how tough you are, how hard you bust your ass, how good you are.

First of all, everyone that loves is crazy about you. All these huge, huge stars that rally around you and you're singing with every single one of them. I knew you more like a skim job because when you watch the, you know, when I'd see you out, but we, you know, I don't get into all that stuff. And it's so, uh, I, I have so many more levels to, uh,

your whole life and career i had no idea about no well you know i think most people and i'm sure you guys too you guys have stories that nobody knows anything about like i'm so interesting you're like a fully realized person that's not you know that's not covered in the tabloids and all that stuff i find that everybody has a story everywhere yes and way more than you think i i wouldn't release mine because no one would believe it they would just laugh me out of the room

I don't know. There's a tease. I'd like to know the story of Dana Carvey. Yeah, when I come to Nashville and we go around all the main street and we go in the bars and we see all the incredible bands, I'll tell you everything you want to know. So my new best friend is Sheryl Crow. I just want to make that announcement. Yeah, make it clear. So you're...

The thing I got from the documentary, which I recommend to everybody because it's such a human story, is how hard you worked and how driven you were. And then how you, like most people, well, there's certain celebrities I know that are much easier with fame, but how you had a love-hate with that. And we talk about that part of the story.

your drive and yet, why do I want this and stuff like that? Yeah. I mean, I still think fame is a weird, it's a mind, it's a real mind trip. And I didn't really adjust to it very well. It, for me, instead of it being fun and something I could kind of navigate and manipulate and

used to sort of build my brand, which was not the, you know, people didn't talk about brand back then. I know. Instead for me, it was pressure, you know, it was pressure and it was a source of my, um, I mean, I've always looked at my life as, okay, how am I going to fuck this up? Or, you know, that's just how I've always, I've always been sort of uber critical of myself. I don't know why, but, um,

And so fame was just one more avenue for me to fall short or embarrass myself. It becomes this thing like suddenly you're invited to the party and you're like with all the cool kids. And then you get this weird panic that when is this going to stop? And, oh, I wasn't at that event or I should have been at that or I wasn't included. It's just like it's another level of fear.

panic for it was for me at least Cheryl you get re-reminded all the time you were saying in the documentary you're saying it now I would like in tiny ways you get re-reminded like you go to the Golden Globes and you're sitting eight rows back where you were the year before and you're like is that weird that part is kind of funny there's so many little things you keep getting checked like where you are in the food chain and Vanity Fair party they invite you at 9 or 1 a.m you're like wait a second

Does that matter? And they're like, well, you can't go and you can't bring a plus one this time. And, or you can, and all that stuff is someone's in a room deciding your fame level. And they're all, all the pictures of people on the red carpet and you've like gone out of your way to look hot and you're not in the pictures. Or they'll say a press announcement of like who came and you're not in those pictures.

10 they mention you're like oh okay well I was gonna say and one other thing I find that I still see my name in the press and it'll be misspelled and I'll just go okay do they misspell crow or Cheryl they do a C Cheryl they can't get any of it right or sometimes it'll be like an E on the end of crow yeah

Anyway, it's all that's the part that was so once I moved, especially once my boys came and really, truth be told, after I got diagnosed with cancer, all that stuff just kind of went away.

Out the window and seemed ridiculous, you know. That same thing happened to me. It happened to me twice. Once with a health issue I had botched bypass, but it feels good now. And once when I was picking up my son and he went in for the play date, he's like nine, he comes out, he has a severely fractured wrist.

Oh, my gosh. It's just like going at a right angle. So we had to drive him to the hospital. And in that moment, everything got real clear, you know? Yeah. I read this thing recently based on what we're talking about. And I can't believe I would read something recently that would be helpful in terms of getting dinged in show business. Yeah. The people who criticize you are doing less than you.

Ooh, I like that. Isn't it good? Because we would never judge you. We know the work that goes in. I don't ever think of anybody who's hot or not. I just know they have a story and they're talented and whatever. But do you go on social media at all and look around? And David's good. I'm so, I mean, my assistant's sitting over here. I'm totally embarrassed. But first of all, I'll say that my kids say I was born in the 1870s.

I am so not tech, but also I have nothing to do with social media. That's not true. That's not true. I'm involved in my social media, but I don't know how to go on it. I don't know how to post. I hand stuff to Liz and I'll say, can we post about this? This matters. But I don't. I just don't do it. My kids don't have social media. I already know how my personality is. And there's so much mean stuff on there. I would be distraught. So...

How do you get your kids to not, do they want to be on and you don't let them? Well, my 15 year old, um, initially about when he turned 12, started begging me for Snapchat. About 12 and a half. And all of his friends had Snapchat. They didn't have Instagram. They didn't have, uh, whatever else that you have. What else is there? Tick didn't have tick tock. Um,

I know. I'm sorry, but I didn't have to talk. And then that weird. I am weird. I I love upworthy like I love that that I can get with. But anyway, so he asked me for his 14th birthday if he could have Snapchat.

And I said, oh, my gosh, buddy, you don't have to ask for it for your birthday. So he got that. I mean, that's the weird one because you can't check what they're doing. But there's a thousand ways. Yeah, it is sneak chat. There's so many ways, though, to see all the TikTok stuff on YouTube. And we have all the parameters. I'm at a friend's house and, you know. Yeah. Hard to control. My daughter actually grew up, I don't know where you were in Missouri. She is in Springfield right now. Oh, not far. Yeah.

Yeah, so that's where she's growing up. Brad Pittstown. I think it's nice. It's nice there, right? It is nice there. It is. My brother went to college there. And I've tried to keep her there as long as I can in a bubble before she...

uh, comes to stay in LA sometimes because just, I can tell it's just, it's getting scarier and scarier about terrifying it is for them to open to that world. Yeah. But it's kind of that way everywhere. I mean, we just have a, we have a rule that you can't be on your phone after, you know, can't come and lay down on the couch and be on your phone for, you know, I'm sort of at a 30 minute, you can do 30 minutes, pick your screen.

- I look at my screen time, it says I'm on 22 hours a day. I'm like, we can pump those numbers up.

I know they do. They admonish you. Your phone says you're down. You're down this week. You're usually just down. Fuck you. Why aren't you on anymore? What's wrong with you? What can we do to get you sucked back in? Yeah, come on. You know, anger really sells, man. And outrage. But I don't look at it. I get way too sensitive. If I see one negative thing or were you ever funny or...

whatever they say, I'm kind of bummed out. And it makes me mad that I even am affected. But I don't listen or watch anything I do, essentially. I don't like to see, hear, or feel anything. Me neither. Me neither. Plus, I'll tell you the one thing about making a documentary when you're 60, right?

um you see all that oh i'm 60 i turned 60 in february you see all that old um footage of yourself and you you still think you're that person and then it comes back over to an interview with you and there you are in the chair and you're 60 and you you know i don't want to see it i don't want to i like i like to think that i'm still like in my 30s hey i'm up the ladder looking down at your age going not bad but you're right how do we compete

You know, we're all so cute. Everyone is essentially all humans. We're all so cute. We are too. We get cuter with age. In their 20s. Adorable. Everybody's really cute in their 20s and 30s, but it's hard to, you know, compete with you. What about Cheryl Woodstock? Dana, I watched her shoes in the Woodstock one. I watched it because they said you were on it. And so I watched it. The 1999, that one? Oh, yeah. Well, wherever you had a full-blown mullet. Oh, yeah.

I did. I was where it was. Let me just tell you, please. This is a total aside. So I have these wonderful hair pieces. I can clip in my hair, right? Nice. Not wearing them now, but if I go on stage or whatever, and I have clipped them on both my boys so that they'll look like Tommy boy. I mean,

I mean, Joe Dirt. Sorry, Joe Dirt. Oh, my gosh. There's so many. That's all right. Joe Dirt, yes. Joe Dirt is a big Halloween costume. Yeah, it is a look. That's cool. Oh, my gosh. I love it so much. But yeah, that documentary, Woodstock, I watched part of it on the airplane a couple of days ago, and I had to turn it off. It was so disturbing. And I remember it. I remember how awful it was.

Was it scary for you because it got scarier? Like by the time Jewel got on and stuff, it was getting closer and closer to that hole. I remember hearing about it, but when you watch how everyone went bananas, it must have been, I can't believe who would stay. You know what I mean? It was so bad. Yeah, I don't know. It is interesting that people did stay. It almost felt like they couldn't leave, but it was debauched from the beginning because we were on the first day. Yeah.

And we you could look out and you'd see all these girls who were topless on guys shoulders, you know, trying to get the MTV camera to sweep around in front of them and get on TV. And and they were already throwing shit from the outhouses that were.

Not set up right. They were leaking. And at what point some landed on my hand while I was playing bass during my favorite mistake. That's when we stopped. We played about four songs. And I remember saying, not, not, not gonna do it. Not gonna do it. Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent. He set me up. I don't normally do characters on the podcast, but not gonna do it. Feces. Feces.

On the bass. Bad. Anyway, well, that's a good gig story. Yeah. Yeah, I've got a few of those. That was a highlight, though. We went on after Andy Dick.

So that tells you what the vibe was. He went on after Insane Clown Posse. Oh, who was going after them? Jesus. We were like, is this our crowd? What did you open with? Did you come out with a rocker? How did you try to follow Andy Dick? I think we came out with If It Makes You Happy. I mean, that was our weapon. That is a weapon. Wow, is that your one to go to? You have a lot of anthems.

You have a lot, a lot of anthems. God, look through her shit. I was like going, look at that song. Oh my God. Because I love Leaving Las Vegas and it came up my iTunes the other day. Oh wow. And it was without my phone knowing we were going to talk this week. Or did it? Yeah, did it. Yeah, that's really the question. And that's a monster at that beginning bass. And great song. There's a huge story about it in your documentary. Okay.

And then you keep going and going your first Letterman backup from Michael Jackson, just getting that. You kind of skimmed over that in audition for Michael Jackson. How in God's green earth did you sneak in and audition where they didn't go? Your name's not on this list. You were just cute. You ran in and said, I'm next. It's weird. I did a few sessions out there with, I started to get a little bit of work singing jingles, you know, the songs that are in commercials for those that don't know, but,

And I think because I was the new kid in town, I started to get some work and started getting hired and was on a couple of sessions with the same guys. One of them was Daryl Phenasy, who's a fantastic singer.

um and actually it was for john one of them was for johnny mathis and um i overheard him talking to another singer about the jackson tour so um i asked about it and you had to be recommended by bruce swedeen or quincy jones um or rod tempered in and of course i didn't know any of those people i think i've been in town maybe six months when i first started getting work

And I found out where it was and I drove out. It was at a rehearsal space. I want to say SIR, but I don't think they have that in LA. I can't remember what it was called. Drove there and thought, well, what's the worst thing that can happen? So I went and I knocked on the door and they let me in. They asked me what my name was. I said, I'm Sheryl Crow. I am not recommended, but I overheard Daryl Phenasy. I mean, I told him straight up. It's good. You threw in some good names. And they said, well, come on in. And they put me on video first.

And I said, "Hey, Michael, my name is Sheryl Crow. I just moved here. I was an elementary school teacher.

um i'm out here doing sessions and would love a chance to go on the road and sing backup for you or whatever and then i i got a call from daryl and he he put me with um a couple other singers and we went in and sang together and they hired us now was this supposed to be backup or we supposed to sing back up the whole idea okay but you eventually were doing stuff

Well, he had two or three songs that featured females. Like one of them was Man in the Mirror, which was Syeda Garrett on the record. Oh, and I Can't Stop Loving You was also, was that also Syeda? I Can't Stop Loving You. Yeah, that one. You know, Rosetta Stone, the most trusted language learning program. Oh, yeah. If you want to learn a new language, which no time like the present, it's always fun to learn when you get older.

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It's interesting when we see you, like, you're at home now, and you're Cheryl, and sweet, personable. But when I watch you with Jagger and Michael Jackson, okay, so like these titans, and you're just like going for it. I mean, it is kind of a, it's a personality you put on it. It's fierce and rock star-y. I mean, that transition, I mean, who was tougher, Jagger or Michael, to like...

Keep in their face because they're both really aggressive dancing with you and you're right, right up on top of them. It's very cool to see. Mick Jagger was, I mean, he was far more terrifying for sure. I mean, I'd grown up with that guy, right? I'd grown up with the Sticky Fingers record and Zipping the Zipper. I mean, they were like dangerous, like edgy guys.

And they had all this folklore around them, you know, and and and by the time I got to sing with them, I mean, I'd seen them live a handful of times. I mean, that was like that was the bomb. I was so afraid and I threw up all day. I was a nervous wreck.

And I think I even talked about the documentary about Bobby Keys handing me a bottle of tequila right before I went on. A bottle? Have a shot of courage. And the next thing I know, I'm out there with them. And yeah, I mean, it's a funny thing. And I know you guys know this too. It's like you have this side that has to show up and be fearless. But then you also...

I don't know if you guys are like this. As soon as you walk off stage, you go, oh my God, I suck. Or I sucked or that was, you know, I want to do it again. I wish I could, you know, and it's, it's that, that sort of balance between, um,

stepping into it and then coming away from it and being able to just put it away without rehashing it with your, with all the voices that are in your head that tell you, you suck. Do you, I sometimes do it later on. I mean, when you came off from Jagger really in that moment, did you think I just sucked or did you feel kind of cool? Obviously the first faces are crew guys or whatever. Um,

And they have a range of compliments. Hey, and sometimes they'll change it mid-word. Or nothing. Hey, that was really... Or nothing. That was really good. You know, they go from great... You get these little messages. And then if you get someone really high, bro, you crushed it. You crushed it. You know? Yeah. And then later, hours later, I would think, ah, fuck, I missed that. I rushed that. So that... It's a fun...

you know, it's a, it's a funny thing. That was such an out of body experience that I, it was hard to even relate to it. And then compound that with, I mean, literally we were, we didn't even have a hit yet. I mean, all I want to do is come out and it was starting to happen. But, but,

I couldn't even process it. But, you know, my nature has always been to not think I'm good enough, you know, and I guess that's part of what propels you to work so hard is that you feel like whatever you're doing is never as great as the Rolling Stones or never as great as Stevie Nicks or not even as great as you think you should or could be. And I,

It's taken me years really to grapple with that. And, you know, there's also, you know, you talk about the mental issues

challenges that go along with being an artist or somebody who puts themselves out there that shows up. You know, I spent a little time with Robin Williams for the years. And you look at somebody like that who can open himself up and be so beautifully funny. And so just...

Seemingly happy. Yeah, but then in their real life, you know, they're struggling. And that's the story of a lot of us. I got to know Robin quite a bit. I knew him since the 70s. Yeah. And I got to know him when we were both up here in Marin County for the last five years. And part of what I feel about him is like his shyness and his vulnerability. He would call me boss. He was my idol. Right.

And then his powerhouse on stage. And really he created this idea of a Shakespearean actor just showing up. And it was just a brilliant concept of like, Oh, Hey, who, who? And you never knew where he was going to go. You know? Uh, one thing I wanted to ask you, Cheryl, but David's going to ask question first. Go ahead. No, I have a question about what to say to people when they get off stage. So I did the, God, why do I think you were here? Andre, Andre Agassi, uh,

Charity in Vegas. Maybe you weren't there. So it's just like- I might have been there. All these stars go on, right? Okay, yeah. It's comedy. Yeah. I was at the table with Ray Romano. I thought you were at my table. Why do I even think this? Anyway- I was there. Okay, so you were there. Okay. Yes. Yes.

That's the night I met Lance Armstrong. Okay, carry on. Interesting. My next question. That's part two. Part two of the interview. Okay, I'll whiz through this story first because this one sucks. So they go, Ray's there and you're there. We're all at this table, whatever. They go, okay, you're going to go up, then Cheryl, then remember, remember. So I have to go up before Ray. And I go after...

Do you remember there was like an 11 year old phenom singer from like American Idol or something? Yes, I do. Anyway, so they go, she's only doing one song or something. So I'm waiting in the wings and she goes up and she does like, I will always love you or something. And she gets a standing ovation and she walks off and I go, hey, get him next time.

And then she goes, what? Because I had to get in her fucking head, Cheryl, because you know what? She blew me off the stage and I hate I couldn't follow her. So I'm like, hey, tough crowd, huh? And she's like, what? I love your honesty. I love that you're pulling it. I'm 11 years old. I got to get in there and let her know what's going on, man. And so then I went on. And she's been in therapy ever since. She's like, didn't I get a standing ovation? She never sang again. Isn't that good? I'm like, I mean. Never opened her mouth.

So then I got up. First of all, that was embarrassing. And then I get up and then I bomb. And then I come down and I say to Ray Romano, just like comedian to comedian, I go, hey, listen, you're next. Listen, the tables are really far apart. They can't hear you in the front. There's kids in the back. There's a bar over here. It's just, it's the worst case scenario. He gets up and kills for 20 minutes straight. And I was like, uh-huh. After I just explained why he's going to bomb.

And there's absolutely no way to do well here. He doesn't go down for anybody. Have you ever, Cheryl, when I've seen you sing on this documentary, it seems like if you have nerves, they never affect your voice. Like if you're terrified with Jagger, you don't hit a bad note, do you, in the whole thing? That's just more mathematical, right? You don't hit a bad note. I have bombed before, I promise. In fact, I can remember doing a tribute. I think it might have been

I feel like Neil Young was on it. I don't know. It was a music cares thing. And I thought I knew the song, but I didn't know it very well. And I got up and literally could not think of a single word and sang practically the whole song making up crap. And I remember coming off stage and John Sykes, who was the head of VH1, the head of VH1 saying something about, wow, I don't know if I've ever heard that before. Yeah.

Yes, I have definitely had moments of bombing. Oh, yeah. I've had death to find bombs. I've done corporate work occasionally. I worked at a gun show. And all these guys were eating steaks with their backs to me. And they would just take a bite and kind of look up. But, you know, they pay you so much you have to do those. Comedians are easy. They throw you anywhere. But I'm jealous of musicians because corporate gigs can be tough sometimes.

And then, but with musicians, you can sort of, even if you bomb in quotes, you just say yours, you just do your song. The in-between is kind of awkward because there's crickets. Yeah. But we're doing every line. We're getting feedback that it's not working. It's not. Yeah. Oh, I cannot, I just can't imagine being a comedian. And I love.

I love the art form. I love comedians. And Dave, I've never seen you bomb. You've always made me laugh. Oh, that's nice. But you're a sweet person. No, no, that's the truth. I just can't imagine. We did a corporate gig. No, no, no. We did a virtual gig during the pandemic. And I've never done one of those where you do a concert. In front of like nothing. Yeah. Yeah.

There's no, like in between songs, it's like, okay, you hit that big last chord and then it's just crickets. It's like playing in Japan. You look over and there's some guy on the side just texting. He's like, go on, do your next song. I call it comedy waterboarding.

I did one with Tony Robbins and he was interviewing me on the Zoom and he was so enthusiastic and he had a global audience and all these screens and I would do Tony Fauci or something and go, give it up for Dana Carvey and then there'd be two minutes of music and I would just be dancing in my room. No laughs. Woo, yeah! I love Tony. But I was going to ask you, so you, the one thing about being

Being hard on yourself and you're still around doing great stuff is that we have data now and there is something about lasting, you know and putting out cool stuff and The seems to me that when you really got into the super celebrity thing It was when you're already exploding as a superstar and then you're dating another superstar and that's when the tabloids went 10.0, right and

Oh yeah. Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah. And you know, I think interestingly enough, I had dated people before that were well-known, but there was something about that combo that was just ripe for fodder. Yeah. It was, yeah. I mean, it's like, I mean, I wouldn't put myself with J-Lo and A-Rod like way up there, but you know, a combo like that is, is it's titillating, I guess. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, because there was Owen. Hey, how's it going? Oh, love Owen. Owen's the coolest dude. I still communicate with Owen. I absolutely love him. Hey, uh, just, you know, and I, I mean, I've been really fortunate and I don't really have anything bad to say about Lance at all. Um,

I have been really fortunate to be with the people that I've been with and I wouldn't change it. Yeah, I think... But I will say one thing. I did dream last night that I married Brad Pitt. You must know Brad pretty well. That's a good plan. I do know him pretty well. You know, I went to college with him. Oh, you did? Really? Did the girls all love him then? Or what was he like in college? Well, you know, it's really funny. He's a year younger than me. And I was the...

the song or the, yeah, the song leader at his fraternity Sigma Chi. Yes. So I went over and I would work with them with their, their, uh, we had, I can't remember what it was called Greek week or whatever. So I was like their coach or whatever, but I knew him from campus running around. I knew the girl he was dating and, um,

You're always friendly. He's from Springfield where your daughter is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Always friendly. And I've seen him through the years. He's a good dude. I swear he sort of takes an odd beating out there over this divorce thing that never ends. But I've never seen him not be cool to people, not be nice to people. He seems like the most down to earth. He is a nice person. Big of a star as he is. He gives everybody time. I don't know how he does it. And then...

But he keeps getting roughed up. I mean, that's a divorce for you, I guess. I don't know. The energy around someone like Brad Pitt, and I think part of his shyness or reclusiveness, he's not really readily available. Like Clooney was with Matt Damon and Brad Pitt, and they're at some film festival in Europe. And Clooney just said he and Damon just disappeared as soon as Brad Pitt showed up.

So this is other level of being a true sex symbol and a really brilliant actor is just this 10.0. Well, David, you know how that is. Being a sex symbol is very good. Cheryl, I'm glad you brought that up. David and the ladies have a nice arrangement. My life is a struggle. But you know, the truth is also when you're dating, like you were saying, if you date someone in the business, like you almost have to date someone.

someone like an Owen because like that song even says are you strong enough like first of all the tabloids don't care when you date a normal person so it's not as big of a deal and people think you're not even dating they don't know what's going on and then they only jump on it if it's someone they know and they and like together it equals like five stars it's like two celebrities equal five so

It's like you see these people on like reality shows together. They make one actual star. So that's why they always date each other. Someone from The Bachelor dates someone from this one. Well, the cynic kind of thinks, is it isn't an arrangement, David? Is it sort of like, hey, let's date for three months. Our profile will explode. You two should get together for six. I'm going to marry Brad Pitt because I feel like that'll put me actually at at least a five.

Oh, you'd be huge. No, you two guys, people couldn't deal with it. That'd be crazy. Too much talent. I love my life. I don't want to get married. I love my life. You don't want to get married? That's crazy. No, I just want to sleep around. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Now let's unpack the last part of our podcast. I'm going to make sure my kids listen to this podcast. Yeah, good. Hey, you know, women should own their sexuality. They should be able to do that too. They should, but I got to be honest with you. Nine o'clock at night.

Yeah. I'm like, that's like, yeah, that's REM sleep for me at nine 30. I'm out. If the guy's ready to rally from eight 50 to nine, if it's not in that window, beat it. Yeah. I don't, I'm with you. Sure. During the pandemic, I just went to bed early, got up early. It's hard for a nightclub performer when you get up at five 30 and the show's at 10 that night, you have to wait 18 hours, but I like doing this. Dana in Vegas, me and Dana did this show and,

I do it usually. And then he covered for me once. And he's like, this thing's at fucking 10, dude. I know. And then we do a Q&A at the end. So it's at like, you get off by midnight. I go, that's too late, right? And he's like, yeah. And I go, what am I doing? I like 7 o'clock shows. I really, at this age, I just like, I don't want to party. Anyway. You also, I was going to say, oh, yeah. No, I won't ask you about this. But

Ask me anything. No, it's not that exciting. No, I'm not. I'm not. First of all, like that when, and especially when you said driven is sort of a negative to women. But I think that it's nice in this day and age when no one really seems to want to work or work hard, that that seems like,

a trophy to say I was you know what I mean you wear it like a medal like I'm driven meaning I actually want to bust my ass and try really hard to get in a business where it seems like every year that goes by that

That's not how it works anymore. People want to be given things or people want to jump ahead a lot easier and they don't want to work or they don't have to work. And so I love watching that when people put in the hours because it is a hard job to get right. And if you take it seriously, whether it's stand up or that or any sort of writing, you write and do it all and you perform well.

that that's like something we're so proud of. And it's weird when people give it to you, like it's a negative, that that's a hard thing to take. Yeah. I think, I think for women, you know, the idea of an ambitious woman is such a turnoff, like, you know, it's like a woman gets called like a bitch or, you know, um, I can remember when, uh, I mean, this goes way back, but, um, what was the woman? Oh my gosh.

uh, who ran for president years ago, Sarah Palin, vice president. No, no, no, this way, way. I want to say Kofaro, but it's not that, but anyway, uh, about, there was always a discussion about her, how ambitious she was and how, um, uh,

You know, that kind of thing. And I don't know. I still find that is problematic when you have ambitious men and it's such an admirable trait, but for a woman to be ambitious and let's face it, you know, if you are the head of a company or if you're a politician or a successful woman in general, you have some ambition and that ambition is fed by hopefully the desire to

to be really good at something and the love of doing that something. And that, you know, that's positive. That question you were just asking, David, about people not wanting to work hard. I mean, even in raising my boys, I keep having to say to them, look, if you're going to do this,

You want to dedicate your energy and your time and you're blessed to have resources to be good at this thing that you love because it's not all about the end product. And it's, I don't know where we're off, like where, when I was growing up, everybody was middle-class. There was no, you know, people weren't rich. And yeah,

So I grew up idolizing all these amazing musicians and bands, and I felt like I didn't it wasn't about being famous. It was about being great. You know what I mean? So I don't know where we're off. I guess it's really easy to be famous and it's really easy to get rich. Yeah. So nobody really wants to.

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Interesting enough, this comes back to you. So the corporations or the big music publishing companies are now buying artist catalogs. They obviously got Springsteen, they got this. They're not so much buying the more modern product because these anthems, these big songs really monetize well going generationally.

you know, like your hits, you know, could are just right here right now. Strong enough. I mean, they're just, it makes you happy. All those. So have you, have you been approached or have you sold your catalog? Well, I sold my catalog, um, not my songwriters, but I sold my catalog about three albums ago because everything was going to streaming and we were approached by

with the idea that they would start getting placement so that the songs would be heard more, but I wouldn't lose my songwriters. So I didn't get the giant chunk that like a Springsteen or Bob Dylan or whatever. What does songwriter mean though? What do you mean? So you get paid for the...

you get paid publishing and you get paid your songwriter. So I split my songwriter with whoever I write my song with. And if I don't write it with somebody, then I take a hundred percent of the songwriters fee or whatever the money that comes in. So when it goes through ASCAP or BMI or wherever it is, um, some of it goes to the publishing company. Some of it goes to the songwriter. Um,

But it's interesting now because everything is streaming. You know, we make a penny or maybe two pennies every time a song is streamed. So, yeah.

How much of a penny do you get paid for the song? Right. It's, it's, it's nothing. I mean, a hundred percent of a penny is still going to be a penny, you know? So, so it's, it's all, it's just ridiculous. And I don't know. I mean, I love that Bruce and Neil and all these people are making hundreds of millions of dollars, but I go, I,

I don't know. I mean, it's sort of like Bitcoin to me. Do you mean like how does the people that buy it make it back? Because it's so, is it overpaying? Well, I guess what they do is they sell the right to use that song in a commercial. They're out there to try to sell it to make money. And movies and stuff like that. Right. And that's why maybe the album is kind of,

over for now in a way? I mean, you're going to release more like just batches of songs or you release... I'm going to release batches of songs, but I mean, that's not for everybody. For me, like I said, I'm 60. Is the new term batches, Dana? Like pancakes. You're going to do batches of songs. Like batch one. Yeah. The promised land. I liked in the... Dana, in the documentary, remember, I think it was toward the end where she said...

You came out to somewhere, maybe it was Bonnaroo. Where's Bonnaroo? In Tennessee or something? Yeah, yeah. And the people weren't there yet, but by the time you went on... First of all, when you said four o'clock, I was like, I was at one of those festivals and it was like... Norm Macdonald went on at noon, I went on at... I luckily went on before Tom Petty, which is great. But it was kind of nighttime, but there were very weird times people went on. It was like all day. Yeah.

But you went on, the place was packed. And then you said this whole new generation when you went to, I think, If It Makes You Happy, which is one of your big Mongo hits that they all knew it. And that's cool. That's the coolest thing is that it keeps going. It's for me like someone seeing a movie or something that they, a new generation knows it and you can't believe how would you even see it

because that's something people like people don't listen to radio. You go, Oh, here's a new Sheryl Crow song or here's an old one. Someone had to tell them or something. And they all know all the words. It's very cool. I mean, it's, it's funny because about maybe five years ago, my manager started talking about, and now you're a legacy artist. And I'm like, Oh, that's like, okay, I've got my art card. Um, I'm a legacy artist. Um,

That's what I'm trying to be. But it's kind of cool. Yeah. I mean, people's kids have grown up. I mean, like I, I know Burt Bacharach and I know, of course, obviously another Rolling Stones, but I mean, I grew up with parents that played music and all this generation is growing up with parents who grew up with my music and,

It is. It's a rarefied place to be. It's, you know, it's awesome. Some high school kid today, boy or girl, is going to listen to My Favorite Mistake today for the first time.

and become possessed by it, you know? I mean, I noticed in your songwriting, which is kind of cool in, you know, Brandy Carlile talked about it. You're doing these major chords or just this setup and then it goes in unexpected places. I'm not a musicologist, but it seems to go minor or weird,

that the second parts of your songs are so explosively different and the setup is kind of kind of i don't know i mean how do you write a melody like that's that part for my my favorite mistake because that's such a cool melody weird you know i don't know but i will say i i'm i love i'm so proud of my references like i loved the beatles so much what

I know. Guilty. Yeah. Love the Beatles. And that documentary just, I mean, I binge watched it and then I rewatched the last episode. And, you know, I think a lot of a lot of stuff that I wind up writing is osmosis. I mean, you know, I don't know what it's like to write jokes.

Because it seems like, I mean, I'm sure you guys grew up with George Carlin and Richard Pryor, all the greats. And I'm sure... Same thing, same thing. Yeah. So you get like a cadence or, you know, you do what they do for a while and then you go, okay, now you start hopefully transitioning to who you are and that becomes your thing. But you're still standing on the shoulders of all the greats

the dudes that wrote the book, right? You're like a research paper of your favorite people. Then you start turning into your own. This is a horrible question to ask, but what Beatles songs kind of speak to you like off, off the top of your head that you really liked. Okay. I'll just start here, there, and everywhere.

I hear they're in everywhere. I mean, that song is amazing. And then you hear Emmylou Harris do it and you go, that song is amazing again. Yes. I mean, that's why their songs are so great. Yesterday is one of my favorite songs. Long and winding road is one of my favorite songs. Um, uh, love by John Lennon is one of my favorite songs. Oh, I got married to that good stuff in there. I mean, get back, uh, uh, come together. I mean, just, uh,

you know, but definitely Blackbird and Yesterday to me are the two of the greatest songs ever written. When we did talk to, we got lucky to talk to Paul, but he said, was it yesterday where he says, when he goes, when he brings it in, do you bring it in and go, I got a winner? And he goes, no, you can't. You have to walk in and go, hey, I did a new one if you guys want to hear it. And then he said, Ringo said, I can't put any drums on that.

And then John said, I can't put any more guitar on it. And they said, what if we put strings? And he said, no. That was George Martin. Yeah. And he said, no, it's we're rock and roll. We don't want strings on it.

And I go, oh, we get a little bit of the process. Yeah, it was interesting, Cheryl, and we can cut this out if it overlaps, but we did get to talk to Paul, and we were both very nervous. I was on the road in Wyoming with my family in Montana, but anyway, once we started talking about Get Back, he really lit up, and I asked him, did John ever thank you for your bass lines? Yeah.

And that was like a big thing for him. What did he say? Well, we found our way to come together. And he talked about how John just had one line, here come old flat top, which was a Chuck Berry song he had to pay for later. And then he kind of teased it out of him that he wrote that opener. He said to John, we got to have an opener. We can't just go right in. So that became...

So I go, Paul, that's one of the best openings of a song ever. And then later on he had said, we wrote it face to face. Because he comes in, even though it's so Lennon-y, Paul comes in with one, a cracker, he got juju eyeballs. So Paul, his comprehensive musicality, I think just influenced the band. His fingerprints were everywhere. Because he could do the percussion. He had a four octave range, sing all the harmonies.

He could play all the keyboards and all the guitars. So anyway, interesting interview. And I couldn't sleep for a week after that because I kept thinking of what I should have asked. I see. I would have just loved to have been in the room. Fly on the wall. Listening to you guys interview him. Because that was one of the things about the documentary that, I mean, not to be like all woo-woo and stuff, but.

Watching them in the room and the musicality of all four of those guys, Ringo never played anything that didn't feel exactly perfect and right. For the song. Yep. For the song. Paul, I mean, everything he played was not just tasteful, but it was unique and memorable. I mean, there was so much happening. His interplay, even the tension between he and George,

all of, and then the combination of him and John, I know I'm going on, I'm going somewhere. We love, we love to talk about the Beatles. I mean, I am so, I so believe that there is an energetic component to the universe that brings that together. I mean, because there are too many instances where you just go, where in the world did that come from? Or even when you write a song and you go, okay,

like my favorite mistake i felt that way after that song i felt like okay

I don't know where that came from. And also, I feel like it's already been written because it feels so complete. Such a great melody. There are moments where you go, okay, you can't define what creativity is. Yeah, you can't really define what inspiration is, but it is a real thing. And that to me is like, okay, that's just God. I mean, however you want to define that energy that is unique to you. And I watched that in that documentary, that energy that...

no matter what was happening between them, it all was part of

the outcome. I don't know. I just, I guess the older I get, the more I get into the idea that these things aren't accidents. You're tapping into something. Well, Dennis Miller, who's a big beetle fan. He said it this way to me, he goes, Carvey, I can understand, you know, Led Zeppelin. Okay. I get Pink Floyd or, you know, you too and all of that. But for the life of me, I can't understand the Beatles. How does that happen? Yeah.

And it's lightning in a bottle. What was sweet about it, Cheryl, and it'll be on the podcast, is that he still has this love of John. He loved that you could see them joking around with each other.

Yeah. Even though John was taking the piss out of him a little bit, there was a bit of a competition going on because Paul had Long and Windy Road. He was on this upswing and had a ton of songs. And John had to bring Across the Universe to the album, which is insane. Mind blowing. It's like a left, it's a right. It's too much. I mean, the amount of hits. You could retire off that one alone. I know. It's unreal. If he just wrote Here, There and Everywhere, he'd be a...

a famous person, but I can see your influence in a good way, but you have your own Sheryl Crow brand, but I think you do write songs. I'm sure you've, if you've met Paul and I'm sure he's a fan of your music, that's pretty trippy, right? I don't know. I don't know if he is or not, but I do. It's kind of funny. I did meet him when I was doing Fallon in the NBC building. And it's funny because I,

I have so many memories. I mean, certainly from doing Saturday Night Live. Oh, that's right. Being in that building and getting to meet people, you know, yeah.

Three times on SNL, Sheryl Crow. Three times on SNL. That's a hard one to do. They have so, the choice of anyone at all times and to get asked back three different times. I had to sleep with Lauren like 11 times. Oh, I've been there. What did Lauren say to you? I'm still sleeping with him. I don't know why. I don't even know. It's just I'm in the habit. So you'll be doing If It Makes You Happy and that'll be your first song. Maybe something we've heard of. Maybe. Yeah.

second song you pick dealer's choice here's what Paul said to me about you Cheryl well you know I go Paul who do you like contemporary well you know I like Cheryl Crow you know she's got she's got she's got a good thumper she's got a good you know bassy and she's got those guitars and harmonies she's a big vocal a big voicer sorry

that's you didn't say that don't she's freaking out don't say freaking out just going oh my gosh i'm sure he loves you i wish i would have recorded that and then posted it like he actually did say that you know if it makes you happy why are you so sad you know it's one of those turns john and i would do it's like a big old course you know makes you happy you think oh it makes you happy then why are you so sad it takes the carpet out you know and that one keeps it going you know it

Get your Willie Jilly. I don't know. Okay, I'll do it all day. That's incredible. That sounds, that's incredible. I do it just to be with Paul McCartney. Will you call my voicemail and just leave that on there for me so I can use it? This is Paul. Paul McCartney. It's not here right now. I can't do it. But Dana, I got to tell Cheryl before we let her leave and go back to Nashville. She doesn't want to leave. She wants to talk about. She doesn't want to leave. I don't. I have to tell her that when I'm looking over these songs, first of all, I like that.

I'm trying to look at my favorite ones just for absolutely no reason. But if it makes you happy, I like that you work in Mosquito in that one because it's hard to get into songs. Thoroughly unused pop word. Yeah, it's very underused. And I have to say, and this is a dumb story, but when I was...

with Kid Rock, one of his albums came out and this we're hanging out more. And he goes, I think he was up against Pink when it came out. I don't know why I remember this. This is probably a lie. But I, so he's driving. You can attest to this. If you're in a car with him, he's playing his album. If you're in his house, he's playing his album. If you're in his anywhere, he's playing a video of himself. So he goes, you got to hear the new album. And I go, oh, and then he played the whole, the whole thing.

So I don't know as much about music as you or Dana. I don't know anything. Dana knows a lot. I'm just a fan. So he plays the songs and he goes, this one's the one that comes out first. And then this one and this one, and then fucking picture comes on. And I know nothing, Cheryl. And I go, that's fucking great. And I go play that one again. And he goes, it's with Cheryl. And I go, God damn, that's catchy. That is so good. And she's so good in it.

And he goes, well, that's going to come later. And if I'm not mistaken, the first two songs did okay. And then picture blew the fuck up. Is that possible? It exploded. It's so good. It's so good. And you know what he said, which was funny? He said...

actually recorded it he said that's gonna go to number one i was like really oh that's so cool and he's like that's gonna go to number one i'm telling you it pops up my ipod all time and it's so fucking good and you're so great in it and i just go god and i know he takes a beating out there but he can sing man he gets these he gets it right and that one he got right and he's got a lot of great shit out there um yeah and um how did that happen he knew he had it and came to you or you had it came to him or what happened

Oh, no, he had it. In fact, I didn't write nearly as much on that as he did. I mean, and he's super, like when he's in the studio, he is fearless, man. I mean, he has listened to so much great music and can play a lot of things and everything.

You know, he's really masterful at getting his ideas down. Yeah, he knows it back and forth. He knows a lot about all this stuff. Yeah, he does. But he's also very savvy when it comes to what he thinks will hit. Yeah. You know, it's funny. I used to bust his balls because he goes, hey.

I got this, this guy wants me to come play his birthday party. Give me 50 grand to come sing. I go, does he give you another 50 to get off? Because he'd play, we'd do karaoke at my birthday party. And he goes, maybe I'll get up with these guys. I'm like, maybe it's, it's going to within seconds. So he would sing karaoke. And then that was for the next three hours. He can't wait. I don't,

I don't know if you ever came down to it. We were in New York. I think it was the late nineties. Maybe we would show up once a week at shine, which was a, a club downtown and,

we do all covers and any given night. Oh my God. How fun. Mike Mills, Stevie Nicks sat in with us. Keith Richards sat in with us. Anyway, Kid Rock came down and it was the same night that Keith sat in and he kept yelling Keith's name. Keith Richards. Keith Richards. And Keith got really mad, like irritating. He's like, quit saying my fucking name. And I at one

point I'm just like okay I'm not sure how to manage you know we're doing all these bad 90s covers but yeah he's a lot of fun and I will say that picture is one of the most covered songs in karaoke in the world that is you know one of my claims of fame I'm telling you it's on top of everything else you've done and then I was looking at this and I go oh that's right picture on top of all the stuff so just had to

High five you for that one. That's so good. Gotta high five Bobby for that one. Yeah, yeah. He does. I bust his balls all the time, but he is good. Okay, you know, traveling woolberries. Woolberries. Yes. So, past and present. If you were going to make a female super group, who would be in there? I mean, obviously, you would put in...

Stevie, like you say, obviously. Obviously, I would put in Stevie Nicks, most definitely. Super group. 10 out of 10. Yeah. And I would ask Brandy, you know. She loves you and she's cool. Brandy is amazing and she's a great songwriter and she's just a kick-ass chick. She's cool. God, who else? It's only three. It's like Nirvana so far. I know. Bonnie Raitt, Emmylou Harris. Bonnie Raitt.

Bonnie would be amazing. Emmy would be amazing. Linda Ronstadt would be amazing. I was going to say. Yes.

I mean, young wise, I mean, you know, the traveling wheelbarrows, each one of them had a huge full body of material. Yeah. So, I mean, because there's a lot of young people out there that will, will be young. Oh man. I mean, I love marriage. Great songwriter, great performer, great singer. I love Courtney Barnett. She's amazing. I love the high M girls. They're great. Um,

who else goes on and on yeah yeah yeah i mean i love florence and the machine she's really interesting there's a young girl named cassie i want to say anyway there's there's a lot of good young female music out there yeah it's hard to break through though i mean there's just it's there's just so much of everything with everything is everything now yeah it's true what's in your hand what's going on down there

- Who, me? - Yeah. - Oh, guitar picks. - Are you gonna write, as soon as this podcast is over, are you gonna pick up one of those guitars and just go fucking crazy and write a masterpiece? - Are you gonna write a song about me and Danny? - Yeah, just like, ♪ Podcasting with the lady and Joe Dirt ♪ - The lady. - What is it? Oh. - Did you forget how to play? - What is that?

I can't even hear it. I'm podcasting with David and Dana. Oh, that sounded a little Patti Smith, didn't it? I like it. It had a little punk to it. We'll get it on TikTok right away. That's cool. Please do. Yeah. Please get me on TikTok. I know. Is that something they want you to do is like try to snippet your song on TikTok? Okay. So the documentary was coming out and Showtime was really hoping that I would...

open a tick tock account and do tick tock is that so real 12 year old was like mom please don't like that is so cringy i'm on tick tock and it's so i'm gonna join you know that word cringy though like yeah fuck you're doing something that you shouldn't be doing because you're not cool it's crazy yeah that's right yeah i'm i'm thinking of joining it though i don't know

You are? I don't look at any social media, but I've heard of it. Dana doesn't even look and he gets comments and I have to answer for him because they go, hey, what does Dana think? And I go, Dana would probably... I don't see, look at anything, but I do, from what I understand, the New York... You should do TikTok. You would be huge. Well...

Okay, I'm saying that and I don't... Thank you, Cheryl. You don't know anything. That's based on no knowledge of anything. Well, I was reading a New York Times had a 20-page article on what is TikTok. So essentially, I got the idea that Rhythmiq

musicality is shared. Like you make something, like if I did chop broccoli, then other people take it and go with it. So I don't know if it is, if it is about audio musicality, catchphrasing. Chopping broccoli could work. Chop. I don't know if Cheryl knows what it is. Chop. I do. I know. I love it. Chopping broccoli. Yeah. I've said that in my kitchen to my boys and they look at me like, what? Ah,

We got to get your boys up to speed, man. My kids don't like me. I try to turn them on to all the good stuff. They don't think I'm funny. They just show me Drake. You got to make them watch Joe Dirt and Ben Schwarmers. Oh, they're going to watch Joe Dirt for sure. And they need to know who the church lady is for sure. And Wayne's World, they usually are okay with that. And Wayne's World, they need to know. Yes, they will. They will. Get them up to speed. Party on, dude.

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They're always delicious. I actually named a character in a movie I did called Master of Disguise. The lead character's name is Pistachio. That's how much I love pistachios. Yeah. Well, wonderful pistachios have literally come out of their shells. It's the same taste. It's delicious, but...

It's a lot less work. As you know, cracking them open can be a little bit of a job. Less cracking, more snacking is what I say. That's what I say. That's what you say. And I'm going to use that when my wife goes to the store. Wonderful pistachios. No shells flavors come in a variety of award-winning flavors, including chili roasted. Honey roasted. Mm-hmm.

Sea salt and vinegar, smoky barbecue. Sea salt and pepper is one I like the most. And I'm going to try this jalapeno lime. They don't have a red, red necky flavor just yet. Yeah, look at him there. Red, red necky loves pistachios. I like to crack things open and put them in my mouth.

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I hope so. What are you going to? I hope I'm invited. You're kidding. Dave and I have an in. Dana's plus one. I'd like to do a sketch with you. So, and then next time we go to, uh, uh, down there, we'll make Cheryl come out to the show.

Hey, would y'all please let me know if you ever come to Nashville? I'm your buddy. I know, but I didn't really know for sure. I love Nashville. We think about moving there all the time. I mean, it's cool. Just don't come here and buy a house. Oh, yeah.

California, come on out to take over. Californians making the prices go up, that kind of thing, interlopers. Oh my gosh, you have no idea. Montana, I'm from Montana. It's all going on up there. All the billionaires are coming in. I'll take five of those. There's a great comedian, Theo Vaughn, one of my good buddies lives out there. So when I go see him, I'll play the Ryman and then I'll make you come down.

Please. How many seats is the Ryman? I want to go in there and rock that place. It's amazing. I think I played it once. Yeah, it's 20 somewhere around there. I did play it once. It used to be Grand... Was it the Grand Ole Opry or am I being stupid? It was the Grand Ole Opry. And before that, it was a church way, way early. Before that, it was a Whataburger? Well, I played it. I played it and I came off stage and Cheryl happened to be there and she goes, that was...

That was good. I'm kidding. That was so, you really went out there, didn't you? She goes, oh, they're a little tight. Why do we have all this self-loathing? What the fuck is going on? No, here's the one to say, Dana. I know. When Cheryl gets off, I'm going to go, fuck that crowd.

I'm going to get in the fetal position. I thought I did good. I thought they liked me. No, they were tough. No, that was a hard crowd, man. No, we'll get them. We'll get them later. I'm going to get in the fetal position and cry myself to sleep with questions I should have done better. Oh, no, you

No, you aren't. Hey, this was the best podcast I've ever done. Ever. Thank you. We love you. You know, she's really good on the podcast. She's got a straightforward. You don't have to play any games. I do Paul now. I actually write songs as Paul. Okay. When you interviewed Paul, did you do Paul?

Oh, yeah. Did you do it? I did it a little bit. I was a little I couldn't you know, I was trying. I didn't want to piss him off, but I had interview paralysis. Yeah. I was like, I'm Dana's Yoko. I mean, there's just so many things you're scared to say to him because, you know, he seems very light on his feet. But you just he's too respected. You can't.

Yeah, he's a sir, right? Yeah, it's too big a deal. We didn't go there with a sir. At first, I read a lot of Liverpudlian phrases. So I said, did you have your brekkie? Your brekkie? But he was just waking up. He had a cup of coffee. I don't think he knew what I was talking about. That's breakfast in Liverpudlian language. A scouser. You know, we had a good time.

this is him now. You know, we did some things. We tried. He got into it. He got into it toward the end. We were getting stuff for me, Cheryl. It was just electrifying. And he wanted to talk about the Beatles the whole time. Oh my God. I didn't know that in the beginning. You hear it.

From the guy. All right. So anyway. All right, let her go back to- Cheryl, everybody loves you. You're a great artist. I don't like, you know, legacy, what's that? And you know, you're in Nashville. You're like a teenager now.

A teenager, really? A natural teenager is 60. Country music does not have an age. That's what's brilliant about it. No, it's true. It does not. You do pop, rock, jazz. You do every style, but you also can do country. I have to say, I feel like I'm in my 20s. You look...

- You look like you're in your 20s. - And that's why I really like doing podcasts because as far as your listening audience knows, I look like I'm in my 20s. There, I said it. - You look great, your voice is still raspy and sexy, and then your singing is still perfect. - 'Cause I'm still smoking like a fiend. - You're-- - Nah, I'm kidding, I'm not. - You stayed really fit even when you were touring. I was gonna ask how you stayed so fit.

throughout your career? Because usually you tour a lot. I mean, I have to admit, it is genetic.

What? Yes, it's genetic. I'm from a long line of small, petite, wiry people. So you don't gain weight. And you work out on stage when you're out there. I work out on stage. And I'm very, I mean, I get up in the morning and I do not sit down. I mean, I'm always doing. Her backstage rider is five triscuits in a slim gym. And that's all I get all day. That's it. And one five-hour energy drink.

Actually, that's mine. All right, Cheryl, let's let her go, Dana. She's been too nice. Cheryl, we love this. Guys, thank you. Bye, Cheryl. It's good to see y'all. We'll see you soon, I'm sure, in Nashville. I hope so. Call me when you come to Nashville. Will do. Okay, bye, hon. Bye, Cheryl. Love you. Love you. Bye, Cheryl.

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If it makes you happy. I'm not even going to look at the question. Just you tell me. Okay. This is from Ryan Sozen. Hi, Ryan. Hi, David and Dana. Okay, here it is for David. I know you like a little ego boost to start, so love the show. They did say that? Yeah. That's funny. Yeah.

I was wondering why you both chose standup over improv and route to SNL. Did you consider improv? What makes a funny person more successful at one over the other? It's a two parter. Yeah. Okay. I would say improv is harder for me to,

I'm pretty good on my feet, but to go to those improv freeze tag games and things you do, we would do it at the end of a comedy show once in a blue moon in Arizona at Anderson's Fifth Estate. And they would get up for the host and all the comics get up and the crowd would yell out. But it was like freeze. Then you go and then you go, oh, holy super glue batman. My hand is stuck here. But there was – I could see that they were doing like the same kind of ones. Well, stock prom.

I've got an improv group open for me. The first night, it's like people are yelling out movie styles, like Woody Allen. And then they all go, you know, great. No. And then the next night, they yell out, Woody Allen. And they're all going, you know, I go, this is not improv. It's stock prov. Yeah. That's hard, though. It's hard to do improv, real improv, when I watch Whose Line Is It Anyway? It's just different muscles, style.

Stand-up is one thing. It's written mostly and improv is improv. But they can both get you on SNL. They can both help you in movies and TV. I would say for me, I might have – if I was in LA and got a whole – or the Groundlings, they didn't have stuff like that in San Francisco. So I didn't know about it. I think I might have joined it. Sometimes the problem is some of the –

not uh top tier ones will say oh come audition oh you know you're really good for 500 you can join this level and then they keep getting 500 go next level and they're just letting anyone it's like amway yeah and it's you bring your friend in pyramid scheme and you're at the end of that you're out 10 grand but you can go oh holy super glue batman i was trying to do sketch my whole life but i was in honky tonk bars so it was like really hard you know uh and

And it took me three years to say, I'm going to be another character for a minute. And it was like, I had sunglasses. I was trying to be Rob Williams. Oh, because they didn't like it? Well, because I was terrified of, it was just scary. Like I had a character called Dana Babe. Oh, you're fabulous. It was my first character. I put sunglasses on. I was horrible, but that's where I got the guts to do sketch. Sketch stand up, I call it. All right. Next week, we're going to do a whole half hour on Dana Babe.

Oh, Flash Story. It was in the other cafe and the people who were headlining there got sandwiches and there was the Dana Babe sandwich. Oh, that's not bad. I'm not kidding. There's a picture somewhere. There's a Joder Pizza down at Mutt's in Newport. Dana Babe. It had big yellow goggle sunglasses. All right. Thank you for that question. Thank you. Really appreciate it. Keep sending. Ryan. Ryan.

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