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I'm still not going to read the name because I will not have those words leave my mouth. But the song from The Offspring on their self-titled album in 1989, it's been removed and it's been scrubbed from everywhere. It's called that, if you can see it. I ain't reading that. K the P. K the P. Uh-huh. And it was on YouTube for a while. And you could pull it up, but it is gone now. And the song is basically like...

Yo, that's wild. Dude, that's wild. It's as punk rock as you get. I don't know. That's a bit over the top, man. How do you hear the song, though? There's no way to play it anymore. Well, I mean, if you want to go on that download link, but that's super sketchy.

It's funny, I don't remember any of this controversy, and I was there at the time. No. Paying attention. Do you remember this? I mean, I wasn't into The Offspring at the time, but I mean, I was... They were so big. Totally gone. And I was very... I mean, I'm a professional musician for the past 25 years in an underground metal band. I don't remember. It was just kind of whatever. You know, it was no big deal back then. Yeah, I think people didn't take it seriously. I think people didn't believe anyone was actually going to do anything like that.

I used to know how to play all these songs. I probably still know how to play all these songs. They may come out and play, dude. That thing was out of left field, man. I've never heard anything like that before. That was like genre-inducing. It's wild to me that when I was younger, they had these songs that were like kind of fucked.

And then as they got, I mean, me and my friends basically abandoned them largely after Conspiracy of One because it became very poppy. And we were like, whatever. But we still liked their earlier albums. Now they might as well just be called like Offspring of the Machine. You know, Hillary's Offspring or whatever you want to call it. Democrat Offspring.

They're basically alike. I mean, probably better as anti-Trump offspring. I mean, yeah. Look, there's... The on spring. The 90s, there was... There you go. The underground death metal scene. Like, Cannibal Corpse, it was like one of my favorite death metal bands growing up. And it's like, they have like... Literally, this is a song. Entrails ripped from a virgin's cunt. That's an actual... Aren't they anal cunt? Isn't that that? AC was a band, you anal cunt. They had a record called I Like It When You Die. Um...

Slayers searching for ways to achieve the Holocaust. Yeah, I mean, it was normal for extreme music to be extreme. And I think that even though The Offspring was a punk band, that was still considered extreme because it was underground punk. And this is something that I've talked about on PCC. Nowadays, because of the internet, and I think this is possibly going to be all in the future,

In the 80s and 90s or earlier, there was an underground because you had to actively go look for this stuff. And it wasn't as easy as typing in a Google search. So as soon as the Internet got into everyone's pocket and everyone got to the point where they could just search for music on Google, the Internet disappeared because I'm sorry, not the Internet, the underground disappeared.

Because if you don't physically have to go to the place to find the music, I used to have to go to, there was one record store within an hour of my house that had the death metal bands that I wanted to listen to. That when the new record would come out, I could go and buy the CD, but I had to drive 30 minutes at 50.

15 years old or 16 years old, that meant that I probably had to ask my mom or I had to get in the car and drive a half an hour just to go to the place that might have the records that I wanted to listen to. So it was an activity. The Columbia House. Well, yeah. But even Columbia House. Columbia House wasn't going to have everything. They weren't going to have Butchered at Birth. They weren't going to have Cannibal Corpse stuff. They weren't going to have gore metal bands.

And that was the stuff that I wanted. Gore metal. Oh, yeah. It was essentially slasher films, but in a song form. Yeah. So it was like, you know, all the 80s slasher films where it was as gory as you could have, like Trauma, the Traumaville movies, like the Toxic Avenger and all that stuff where it was just as gory as you could possibly be. Like, they were just in song form as opposed to visual. And, like...

You had to actually go get that stuff. Necro was the rap version of that. Necro was one of them. I think he was influenced by a lot of that stuff, he said. Definitely. But you can't have an underground when all you have to do is type into a search bar what you're looking for and it's brought. You're saying that the scarcity of it and the...

I don't know what the right word would be, but like the quest to get it is part of the culture. Was part of the, absolutely was part of the underground because, and it wasn't something that, you know, you could just find easily. It was something you had to actively go out and find. And so, you know, a lot of people didn't, most people didn't know that there was bands called Cannibal Corpse or Necrophagist or whatever. They just hadn't, or Anal Country or whatever. They had no idea.

because they'd never gone and actively looked for it it wasn't played on the radio so if you didn't know where to go to buy these records if you didn't know the clubs the bars and clubs that had that would let the bands play you there you know you wouldn't ever be exposed to it you knew that there was like an underground and there was pop you know punk rock and blah blah blah but you know

It wasn't something that was in your face. Nowadays, if there's something that's too edgy, someone's going to complain about it on the internet. And next thing you know, there's going to be all kinds of people saying, you can't do this. You can't do that. You can't say this. You can't say that. It was brought to my attention in my Twitter feed, or it was brought to my attention in my Facebook feed. And now I have a strong feeling about a thing that I never interacted with, had no idea it existed until it was put into my feed.

And now not only do I have a strong feeling about it, I'm now going to actually make it my business to go and try and stop you from doing it. - Do you think it was a good thing that there was music called like Ripper Gory Cunt to shreds, like that was good shit? - There was nothing wrong with it. - Do you think it's a healthy outlet for humanity to have that kind of stuff? - He sees it as like horror movies. - Like I said, it was just like horror movies.

Human beings have looked at death as part of art for as long as there's been human beings. Human beings have been fascinated with death for as long as there have been human beings. You can look back at all of ancient history and there's

You know, on the hieroglyphics, they had skulls and all that stuff. It was something that people have always been fascinated with. So it's not novel. It wasn't something unique. It was part... Death is part of the human condition. And so people always were... Have always been fascinated by it. And to...

help to alleviate the fear of it, people do things like, you know, the... What is the... The Festival of Death in Mexico? Whatever it's called. Yeah, so, you know, and that's just something that's been normal. I'm sure that...

Then Seamus has ideas on it. But, you know, the point being, there hasn't been an underground since there's been this. He's got his rap as crap shirt. He's ready. Yeah, exactly. My Ben Shapiro rap as crap shirt. But, I mean, I agree people have always been interested in death and talked about it. And it's an important subject. It's better to have a society that thinks about death than never thinks about it.

but at the same time, I don't think the controversy is around music being made around death. I think it's the specific language that's used in the level of vulgarity. Like, I don't think the issue people take with the song that Ian mentioned is that death is mentioned. Fair. I mean, fair enough. The point,

of bands like Cannibal Corpse was to be as extreme as possible. If you listen to the music... There's also... People always have that conversation, like it's binary. The truth is, like a healthy society, people are... Artists are going to be pushing it, and then there's also people who are going to be... Unhealthy society is like, all right, yeah, every mom... Like that's too far. Every mom shouldn't be promoting it. They probably should... Your average person should be like, yeah, that's a lot. It shouldn't be normalized where it's like on the...

But, that is a normal society, but you're allowed to do it, and your most average person's like, "Alright, I don't think, I don't know if my kids should be watching this or whatever, maybe." I will say in an odd way, even though I disagree with all of it and think all of it's bad, I think there's a weird agreement. Do you think it should be allowed is the question. I think the weird agreement is that we both agree that it's better when it's niche. There's kind of a strange thing there because people will want to do these edgy, bold things, but then as soon as they become mainstream, it's not fun for them anymore.

And so this is something you'll even see with like, OnlyFans, right? Obviously, I've said this before, I'm against all porn, but these women who talk about how the society has these puritanical standards and they complain about that, it's like they're complaining about the thing that allows them to make money. Like, they wouldn't be making money if other women weren't ashamed to do that in most cases.

- They cross the picket lines. - Yeah, exactly. - The argument is there shouldn't be pickup lines. - It's like they only make money doing what they're doing because of the taboos, and then they go, well this taboo needs this. - I mean, I've done edgy comedy shows where that's the thing.

It's like the wild and crazy edgy shows. Everybody knows about the aristocrats joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, my point is it feels gross. Once it's like you're supposed to be doing that, it kind of like you're like, well, there's no fun anymore. Wait, what do you mean? Have you gotten woke outrage recently?

No, I would say that it's in some ways the other way where I think that at this particular moment, if you look at what happened in the last week, it kind of gives you a glimpse into what it might look like if Trump wins. But I would say right now in terms of like comedy, I would say if you watch, you know, someone posts something super puritanical of like,

Against comedy, I feel like the average sentiment of a person is comedians should go out and make jokes. With you doing stage shows, have you had people be like, hey, you can't say that? No.

No. Has it ever happened to you? Yeah, of course. But nothing like Richard? Yeah, I'll tell you, Danny on my tour, one of the ones that always makes me laugh is he's gotten probably the most complaints. We were on tour and he had like three or four ladies. He had one recently that was really mad and it was because he's anti-Semitic and he's Jewish. He has a super funny bit. Danny does that hysterical bit. We did a show with Ryan and he got real close to the front of stage and

And he yelled the F word. Did I? You were saying you were going to sign his thing. And everybody laughed. I was like, what the fuck? It was like the punchline of some joke. Oh, I'm like. You're telling a story and then like, I think you were quoting like, and then the guy said, you know, and then you yelled. Which F word? The good one or the tame one? The tame one.

There was a really funny bit, Danny, that was speaking of the anti-Semites. Oh, I think I know what you're, I was saying there. Yeah, I think I actually think that's on my special that I just released. No, it is, but I bleeped it and the joke was, and then I go, I go, you're allowed to say it, but I go, I think I'm saying people say you can't say things you can. And then I say it and I'm like, well, I bleep it on YouTube. But I wanted to ask, because this, this anti-Semite thing that, that Danny got accused of, it was a woman at the show or?

Or just in- Yeah, she was like a lady. Like, the thing is when you're touring now, it's like there's comedy clubs in the city and then your tours. Like your tours, especially if your shows are sold out, there's no one there who doesn't know who you are.

But if a show's not sold out, there's going to be some people that just went to a comedy show. And they don't know who you are. And hear Danny say that his mom, his grandmother had one of the tattoos from the Holocaust and hers was on her lower back. He had a bit that he was doing. He said he calls it a camp stamp. He had a...

And this lady flipped out. And then he goes, he's released this material, so I don't think I mind if I say it, but he goes, he goes, is it okay if I do these jokes if I'm Jewish? I'm not. I'm just, but he is. But he totally is. No, he had this really funny bit he was doing where he was like,

He claims he does this bit where he's just this very autistic guy who's not anti-semitic But his hyper fixation is figuring out how many Jews are in things so he like collects images of like different Jewish people in his a dude He's like I just want to know how many Jews there are he's like it's it's not it's it is my fixation as an autistic person

He gives them numbers and everything. Yeah, where he's got different images. He's like, I just like taking pictures of people and putting stars of David over them. It's my autism. What's funny about those people who make those lists is that one of them had Luke Rutkowski on it. And I'm just like, I can't understand where they decided to create a list of media personalities who are Jewish and they put Luke on it.

Do you think some of us have to just be messing with people? No, they apologized, apparently. Luke was like, that's the worst insult that I could ever give to someone. So sorry. Whoops, we put Luke Rutkowski on the list of Jews in media and he's not Jewish. I get called a Jew all the time on the internet. Why? Because I defend Israel. It's cheap. That's the weirdest thing. Even if you don't defend it, if you don't criticize it, you're still a Jew. It's just like, I have no strong opinion on Israel. Oh, sure, shill. Is there a little hat under that beanie?

I hope I'm Jewish. There is, but you... People ask me and I just don't know how to answer because I don't know. You never know. You never know if you're Jewish. Yeah, you do. Well, I think if you don't know, you're not. Shane has to be part of a lost tribe. Winnie-three and Neil tell you. Isn't that... Wait, is it the Northern Irish who said that we got into a whole... We were talking about... The Northern Irish claim that they're a lost tribe of Israel. Well, I'm not Northern Irish. The real... They say they're the real... Yes.

The Irish- All Israelites? One dude. That's true. The Northern Irish- Don't you know that's where the real Jews are? It's the Northern- That's so funny. I didn't know that. One sneaky Jew gets up there and impregnates 30 or 40 women, dude, and you've got a whole country of them. I mean, you go back far enough. What's with the anti-Semitism there? What's that? Sneaky Jew? Anti-Semitism? Hey, one sneaky guy that's Jewish-

Gets in there and pregnants 30 or 40 ladies. And 700 generations later, you've got me. That's what I'm saying. The real Irish Israelites is hilarious. The real Irish Israelites. It's true. It's real. Let me try and find it. So here's one image.

I'm trying to pull it over. I hope I'm Jewish. I wish, for real, legitimately, because I feel like I would be able to talk about Judaism way more effectively. This is the peace wall. On one side, it's all pro-Palestine because they're like, we are the same as the Palestinians. We are an occupied oppressed group. And on the other side, they have Israeli flags. Let me try and find it. You want to know the best way to talk about Jewish people? No.

Learn a lot about Judaism. Hell yeah. If you know a lot about it and you're correct about the things you're saying. You're saying they like that? No, I'm just saying that if you're correct, you can kind of deflect the accusations. Better than just being like, hey, I'm Jewish. That's kind of like saying, hey, I got a black friend. Look at my badge. An Israeli flag flies to the loyalist Sandy Row area of the Belfast city center on October 23rd, Northern Ireland, maybe thousands of miles from the Middle East, but signs of the current heightened conflict can be seen in the streets. Let me try and find a better one, though. It's not shocking because if a guy...

A Jewish guy 1,700 years ago had a bunch of families that wouldn't look Jewish after 1,000 years. It's far more political than it is racial, right? Because the loyalists are loyal to the crown, and the crown is pro-Israel. The people that are against the English are likely pro-Palestine. They tend to be on the left. It's far more political than it is actually about Jews.

Right. I don't want to make this a Jewish thing, but $400 for that photo is a little steep. There you go. You can't help but make it Jewish if you don't want to pay the price. When I went to Northern Ireland, I can't find images, but there's a big Israeli flag on one side. And the locals were explaining to me that

We're the real Jews, so shut up. No, they were saying that the troubles are so psychotic that people in Ireland don't actually know or care what they're fighting about anymore. It's just whatever you are, we are the other. And so when the Irish started saying we align with Palestine because they're oppressed and occupied, the North said, well, we're Jewish. Oh, okay.

That's how psychotic everyone is. Like, dude. I didn't know the Northern Ireland and Ireland beefs were so strong still. Oh, dude. It's fucking nuts. There's memorials to people who went and massacred children. There's a guy that took guns and they just went and started shooting at kids. My family originally. They were fucking crazy. That's how crazy shit got. You're at North Ireland? Belfast, yeah.

Yeah, dude, Belfast. We just went to Ireland and my mom was mad that I didn't go see it. Belfast? Mm-hmm. Oh. Was that the capital of Northern Ireland or something? Belfast, Northern Ireland, right? I don't know the politics. I've actually never been to Ireland, believe it or not. I've been through Dublin. I went to the airport. Had a Guinness. Oh, wait. Here's one of them. The future is yours if you have the will to have the faith.

And, you know, we salute you, Israel, the British flag, John Henry Patterson or whatever. And this is I don't know if that's the peace wall. It might might be part of the wall. Like I said, a lot of it boils down to support for England and the UK or support for, you know, or hatred for the UK. If you don't like England, you don't like the British and you don't like the UK, which is I don't don't remember if it's the north or the south. But one part of Ireland is still part of the EU. One part is loyal to the UK. Like Ireland.

If you're loyal to the UK, then you're pro-Israel because Israel is considered a vestige of the United Kingdom and all that stuff. Look at this one. This one's famous. What is that? It's the Irish flag reaching out through bars to the Palestinian flag. Oh, shit.

When I was in D.C., there was a Palestine protest and there was a lot of people that had signs that were like, Joe Biden, you're Irish, you should know better kind of thing. I didn't really understand what the connection was. The whole world...

At least the whole political world is very much a left and right dichotomy. So if you're if you're pro-America, you're probably pro-Israel. You're probably pro-UK. If you're against America, you're probably pro-Palestine. You're probably against the British Empire or against the British. Maybe you'll be pro-Israel.

pro-EU more than you would be pro-United States. You're saying most countries kind of in general fall around those lines? I think it's not so much countries, it's more people because there are people in those countries that still fall into that same kind of dynamic.

There's this thing called the non-aligned movement. I don't know if you guys look at it much or read about it a lot, but it's basically like the UN for every other country that's not in the UN. I don't know if it's literally every other country. So that just falls along your lines of left and right dichotomies of reality. We'll go to callers unless you guys wanted to add anything to wrap up. Nah, except that Judaism's awesome. All right, let's go. We've got Percent M. Welcome to the show. Hello. Thank you for having me. You're quite welcome.

I'm here. I have been keeping this question on the back burner for months, specifically to ask it when Seamus is on. Nice. Seamus. Yes. The left seems to rely almost entirely on faith to support themselves in their efforts. Although they do not adhere to a recognized religion, I would argue that they depend on their faith so much that it leads them to a cult-like worship of anything that can assert a higher authority over them, often at the expense of reality itself.

Given that religious faith often requires an acceptance of something beyond our understanding, such as the divine or the supernatural, how important do you think it is that an acceptance of reality—er, I screwed that up badly.

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our top priority. So don't wait, listen and subscribe to Bowling right now, wherever you get your favorite podcasts. I think it is. I can't say this to save my life. No, you're good. You're good. How important do you think an acceptance of reality is to a healthy faith and why? That's a great question. I mean, I think the acceptance of reality is incredibly important to a healthy faith. And there's this meme that we've been sold by new atheism, that religious belief is

and a recognition of reality are fundamentally incompatible. Of course, the truth is, if you are religious, it's not as if you just have this separate bin for things you think are true and things that your religion says. If you're religious, you believe that both are true, so then the question is, how well does your religion line up with reality? If your religion lines up with reality, it's true. If not, it's false. I think with leftists, a lot of the claims they make are directly related to things that

that are tangible, they're right in front of us. We know they're not true. So things like men can get pregnant, a man can become a woman.

these aren't supernatural claims about the nature of the universe. I mean, for example, or they are, I'm sorry about the nature of the universe, but not the origin. So if you look at, you know, what Aristotle and Aquinas say about how we can reason to the fact that the universe was created, that's something that's totally in line with logic and reason. They don't just appeal to faith. They actually give you an argument for why that's the case. And then from there,

You start to examine world religions, and I can probably get into this at another point when we have a little bit more time, just sort of the rough-shot apologetics I do for why I am Catholic. But to give a very, very condensed version, I believe the universe has to have a primary cause. I believe that just is true as a matter of logic rather than a matter of faith. And then out of all of the religions, I believe that Christianity is by far the most plausible for a number of reasons.

and I believe that Catholicism is the original instantiation of Christianity.

That's obviously all going to be relatively controversial here. So without getting into too much of a debate about it, I'll just say when you talk about leftism, it's more of these very immediate claims about the things that are right in front of you and what you have to believe about the nature of reality and like a lot of dogmatic assertions that don't actually map on to a logical framework. So no immigrants allowed.

entering a first world country from the third world can ever cause problems for that population. That's a de facto religious belief of the left, because anytime you point out that immigrants are causing problems anywhere, that's always a right-wing conspiracy theory. That's always incorrect. You know, men can get pregnant. There's a million different articles of faith here, but because they aren't officially recognized as a religion, or they don't usually refer to any kind of God in the traditional sense,

we absolve them from the necessity of having to adhere to a separation of church and state with respect to how they promote their values. So that's a very long-winded way of saying I think recognizing reality is not just compatible with religion. I think it's fundamental to it, and they certainly don't. I think their faith clearly takes them in a direction of believing totally absurd things that we could all say are either at best unjustifiable, at worst unjustifiable,

completely not true. And of course, like everyone stumbles onto things that are true. I'm not saying everything that anyone, you know, who's on the left says or believes is automatically going to be ridiculous and untrue either. You said controversial. Look to me. Do you agree with what Peter Thiel said, where he said that he thinks the new atheist movement was a politically correct way to criticize Islam. And then Islam's not really the biggest threat right now. So it's kind of

they've somewhat become a little bit like less, have less utility of that movement. And that's one of the reasons it's like disintegrating and they don't know what to do. That's a really, really good take. I think functionally- Peter Thiel said. I think atheism worked really well for like 18 year olds. And then as people started to get older and actually experience that- Are you a religious, Tim? I am probably deist is probably the closest explanation, though I'm not well-versed on what the deist philosophy largely is, but I believe in God. Mm-hmm.

I think that when a lot of people are young—so Colin Wright had a post which was, I feel like, locked in. It's going to be very condescending, I suppose. Locked in.

It was like a 19-year-old mentality. I know Colin's an evolutionary biologist and he's very smart, but there's some lot... It seems like he reached a certain point of logical development and stopped. And I'm not trying to be a dick. I genuinely think that if you continue the path of science, reason, philosophy, you go past where he currently is. Again, I'm not trying to be intentionally a dick or condescending. And you can by all means say, Tim, you're stupid and wrong. I'm just telling you how I think about these things. And so what I mean is...

He said, just because we haven't explained the origin of life doesn't mean we should suppose or presume a supernatural origin to the origin of life.

But I suppose when you read enough about physics, theology, philosophy, etc., supernatural is a meaningless term. And so when I said to him, I said, define supernatural, he responded with not natural. And I'm like, okay, dude, that's like a sixth grade response. That would be a-natural, not supernatural. No, you don't use the definition of a word in a word. The definition of supernatural is beyond our understanding or seemingly to defy the laws of physics. So the problem is there is no such thing as supernatural.

And this is sixth grade science. Again, not trying to be a dick. It literally is. The quote is, "Reasonably advanced science is indistinguishable from magic." Anything that can exist can be explained.

Even if you say at the end all be all of science, there is a God who can fold his arms and go, and it appears there is an explanation within the natural order that God is a function of the universe. Is the idea that it was... Call it a God force. By definition, if it happened, there is an explanation for it. Yes.

And so saying supernatural is just saying something like, I don't know, therefore I won't consider it, which is a silly and naive way to approach things. By all means, make your hypotheses. So the argument is we don't know the origin of life. That does not mean it is wrong to say I believe there is a God or that God may be the origin of life. It's just simply there is no scientific explanation to a certain point. We seek answers. OK, in that case.

People are going to come up with a bunch of wild hypotheses, and each and every one of them does not necessarily mean it's going to be supernatural just because you think God exists. I'll put it this way. If you went to a scientist atheist and said, is it possible that there is a undiscovered force, much like the electromagnetic force or the nuclear force, that could be considered like a life function force that we've not yet discovered? And they'll go, sure. And you go, so that there is some kind of, just like gravity, there is some kind of natural phenomenon of or...

as a nature to reality, maybe in a higher level dimension that has the ability to ignite life in a way we've not yet understood. They'll say, yes, of course. Okay, if I call that God, are you mad at me? And then they're going to go, oh, wow, that's supernatural. Now, I'm like, no. When we didn't even know air existed. This is one of my favorite explanations on this stuff. Air was discovered.

Early humans did not realize that there was gas and we were in an atmosphere. It was the ether or whatever. And then some dude was taking a shower and they had these bronze balls or brass balls. You plug the tube, the straw, or you dip it in water, plug the straw, lift it up, and then let go and water pours over your head. And then he was like, hey, how come if I put my thumb over it, then dip it, no water goes in? And he went, I think there's something in there. And then he actually did the test and he was like, hey,

There's actually something here. You feel wind. And you can measure it. Yeah, but feeling wind was just like spirit force. It was like wind was an element and no one knew what it was. Like the concept of zero didn't exist. You're saying it's, yeah, yeah, yeah. People had to discover these ideas. So at a certain point, if you were like, I can, this, people still ask me how the fuck this thing floats. I'm like, bro, we've known about magnets since we were like hundreds of years. And they're like, but it's floating. I'm like, it's called magnets. Yeah.

ICP famously asked that question. They did. Yes. How do magnets work? And so the fascinating thing is there are many things that we consider natural that we cannot understand. We have theories of gravity. We know gravity exists. We have explanations in special relativity as to why we believe gravity exists. And it is effectively that thinking about it in a fourth dimensional plane,

apply a fourth dimensional plane to a three dimensional plane, put a ball on a thin silk mesh, and it creates a bowl where things will pull towards it. Lightning is another one. People don't really know why lightning happens. Yeah.

Well, we have generalized explanations, but we know that we're largely wrong. That is, friction within the atmosphere creates a charge, a negative charge. And then the charge seeks to equalize between the Earth and the planets. Like those sprites that shoot out into deep space. Sorry to interrupt, kind of interject to what you're saying, but you see blue sprites shooting up above the lightning going out into the fucking universe, and as the lightning comes down, like, what the fuck is happening? Anyway, instead of ranting on this stuff, as I often do, I'll just rap by saying...

When a lot of us were young and on the Internet, myself included, all the atheism stuff was just fun social stuff. We were like, haha, these people are dumb. But we weren't reading any science. When you would go on the atheism subreddit, all you're doing is ragging on people you don't like. When I actually started reading physics books and philosophy books, I went, oh, shit, God's real.

I had several conversations with religious people. I read several books on physics and philosophy. And then I was like, oh, shit, that's obvious. What are your thoughts on God and religion? But we got to get other callers, too. The deepest question of your life, Ryan. Do you want to add anything else? Percent M, did you want to add anything? You're not talking to me anymore. Okay. Yep.

No, that was expansive and well thought out. So I'll just leave it here. I did also go through the we call it the religious gauntlet. I suppose I started as a devout Catholic and became a confident atheist and am now a cautious Gnostic, basically. So there you go.

Well, thank you so much for your call, man. It's been a fun ride. Hell yeah, dude. All right, thanks for calling in. And Seamus is basically the reason that I now own the five volumes of St. Thomas Aquinas. Wow! Good for you, man. Good for you. God bless you. All right, thanks for calling in. That is heavy reading. Later. See you, man. All right, so this is from Garrett Targaryen. He says, Tim, do you believe in Jesus, yes or no? I believe Jesus existed. I do not believe that he was Son of God. But that answers your question. I will grab the next caller.

Let's see. Heaviest of ghosts. Welcome to the show. Deep name. Hey, how you guys all doing today? Doing well. Feeling that dark matter. Base? It doesn't exist, Ian. Hopefully. Oh! We'll find out. Dark matter? Masson Harriman agrees with you. I think you might be right.

Oh, don't get me started on the possibility of dark matter and why I don't believe it exists. I kind of want to get you started. I'm kind of of the same mind. I think dark matter and dark energy are just them saying we don't know. No, it's an obvious explanation. We detect matter in outer space. We see its gravitational force and movements. It just means the light is not reaching us. That's it.

So there is normal matter, and at some point in the journey across the universe, the light that is coming from these objects is ripped apart, moved, absorbed, or gone. So you can see the gravitational effects, but the light can't travel to us, so we don't perceive it on the electromagnetic spectrum. What about dark energy? Same thing.

I don't know if about it, but Nassim's... Dark matter and energy are, we can see the effects of it happening, but we can't detect it. Yeah, okay. It could be any normal state of energy or matter that we can't detect from this distance or for a certain reason we haven't yet understood. It doesn't mean that dark matter and dark energy exists. Anyway, what's your question? So my question is actually for Seamus. Oh, nice.

As I watch this election and I think about all the catastrophic consequences the world has had to face since the last one, I grow more and more soaked in just what I can describe as rage and hate.

So what's your best religious advice on how to love your enemy? That is a really, really good question. And it's tough. I think this is something that pretty much anyone who cares about this or frankly, anything is liable to fall into. If something matters to you and it's being taken away, you're going to get angry. And I would say that there's such thing as a righteous indignation. You should be angry about a lot of the things that are happening in this country right now, but it has to be

proportionate and it has to be productive. Here's what I mean by that. Or maybe a better way of putting it would just be reasonable and well-ordered. So there's no end to the reasons to be outraged by a lot of the horrible things we're seeing in our culture, you know, abortion, children being mutilated, socialism, et cetera. But you also have to consider what are you capable of doing in your own personal life? Is this rage impotent?

Are you focusing on things that are actually hindering you from growing spiritually and becoming a better person? So...

I would try to figure out the things that you can do personally to try to end a lot of these evils. You know, of course, voting, talking to people around you, getting educated on the issues so you can be an effective ambassador for your positions. Zoom out your time horizon. Zoom out your time horizon. Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good way of looking at it, too. Like, think about 10, 15, 20 years down the line, you could have some—

seeming catastrophe right in front of you and then things can work out way better than you thought. I mean, I'll give you an example of this. I remember when after the 2012 election, I was like, I was up all night. I was for like the local cable access station. I was watching it and reviewing it and talking about it. I was in high school and I was so bummed that Romney lost. And it's so funny because I look back and it's like, you know, I don't like Romney. And it's,

Things have happened in my lifetime that I never thought would happen. I never thought Roe was going to be overturned in my lifetime. I don't think anyone did. You can't predict a lot of these things. And so I'll just say this. There are hidden joyful surprises in life that you won't expect. You don't want to let the people who are trying to damage this country make you a worse person. You want to become a better person because of your moral concern. And above all, you just got to be rooted in a hope outside of...

what you have in this world. So I'll even take expanding your time horizon to the next level. Like, you're going to die someday. What's going to happen after you're dead, right? And are you working towards...

spending an eternity in heaven with God? And do you have faith that in the end God is going to win? Even if the United States of America completely crumbles and this country crashes and the West falls, if you have faith in Jesus Christ, you will still always be able to have that hope. And hopefully that can prevent you, and it should prevent you from being consumed by this hatred and anger towards people who are destroying the things in front of you. You also got to remember, I know this is a very long-winded response. I'm sorry. But one last thing is just remember, many of them don't even know what they're doing.

Like they don't even know what they're doing. They have no idea. They're just operating on autopilot. Yeah. Like I do think that a lot. And I wish like, I'm very cynical. Like when I see someone, I'm like, they don't even know what they're doing. Um,

Like the hate takes over and it just goes into a pure logical hate where it's like, well, then they're just an animal not even capable of self-governance. Well, the thing is they're behaving like an animal, but the reason you're mad is actually because they are capable of self-governance and you're disappointed that they're not exercising it.

Yeah. So I would keep that in mind. Like there's a goodness there that you want to protect and preserve. You're mad at that because you don't get mad at an animal when it does something wrong. You get mad at a person when it does something wrong because you know people can be better. People can do better.

I think, you know, they say in every cynic there's a disappointed idealist. I'm pretty mad when my dog pees on the carpet. Yeah, all right, fair. But you're not like, he's destroying the fabric of this country. You're just mad he's destroying the fabric of your carpet, right? You don't see it as like a symptom of social decay. And so listen, man. Wordplay there. Yeah, thank you. I was working on it. I appreciate you catching that because these people generally won't. But I guess...

It was gorgeous. I just learned to accept that as reality. Thank you, Ian. But yeah, I guess I hope that that helps, man. I would just tell you that you gotta ask the question, like, why am I so mad at people for not knowing things? Because you gotta consider there's like plenty of things that you didn't know at different times and still don't know now and that you still have to learn. So,

I listen, I get it. I get really mad at people about this kind of stuff too, but you just got to take a step back and go like, what right, what right do I have? I'm also a pretty messed up person in a lot of ways. There's still a lot of things I got to fix about myself. Seamus has a very high. We do got to make sure we get to the rest of the callers though. Is there anything else you wanted to add?

I just want to add two things that are completely unrelated. One for Ian. If you've never heard of Roko's Basilisk, you should look it up. It's an interesting thought experiment on artificial intelligence. And the second one is to Tim, is whether or not he follows Grums on Twitter. He tackles... Okay, awesome. Then you know. One of the OG World of Warcraft dudes.

Yeah, I think he'd be an awesome culture war guest. Agreed. Ask him why World of Warcraft went to shit. Because he left. Yep. Or he's a developer. He was one of the OGs, yeah. Right on, man. Well, thanks for calling in. Thank you. And thank you again, Seamus. Thank you for the question. Yeah, of course. God bless you, man. It was a really good, thoughtful question, so thank you for asking. Thank you.

Alright, next up, we've got Dex2730. Well, Michael Knowles called him a Shiite Wahhabi Catholic. It's funny because there's a certain number of things I'm really educated on when it comes to religion, but I tell people I'm not formally trained in theology or anything like that. There's plenty of questions I can't answer about this stuff. There's plenty I can't answer, but I'm happy to answer when I can. What is up, Dex? Hey, how's it going? It's going well. How are you, man? Awesome.

So, I'm asking this as probably the only Gen Z person here right now. You call me old, bro? Phil's Gen Z. Wait, can I ask, what's your cutoff for Gen Z? What's the final year a person can be born and be Gen Z? Because I've heard varying. Well, based on what I've heard, the cutoff would be 1996 to 2012. Okay.

Oh, shoot. Yeah, I'm not Gen Z. Then you got me. Okay. You are not a millennial, bro. I'm a late millennial, though. I'm 95. I was born in 95. So I'm right on that cusp. Don't listen to Tim. All right? I'm a millennial. I'm old and wise. I can answer your question. I guess this is my last hope. What? 97 in 2012? Oh, Tim's checking up on the Gen Z. What's your question, brother? Sorry, man. No, that's fine. I guess, do you guys probably see a last chance for...

a way to prevent a possible civil war prior to the election. If Trump wins in a landslide, if Trump wins the popular vote.

I think a lot of people are watching shows like this and are like looking for a cue. And if we maintain balance, it's not it's not going to go to that. So if it happens, I'm going to blame you. If there's a civil war, I'm going to blame you. If Trump wins the popular vote, it rebukes the far left and it terrifies a lot of their default libs.

The people they need to use as cannon fodder. Run-of-the-mill liberals are going to be like, oh, we're not popular? I think Trump is funny. I've already got leftist friends who are now going, no, I'm not leftist, I'm a moderate. Because they're getting scared of what's going to happen on the wrong side of history. If he really takes the popular vote by a significant margin, and it is the landslide that we hope, and that honestly a lot of the polls seem to be...

If you're reading them a certain way, it seems to be everything's moving in Trump's direction and stuff. And historically, the polls have been significantly better for Democrats at this point in the election. If he actually wins...

with a significant margin, then I do think that like, there's not going to be much that the left can do. It has to be close for them to go ahead and say, oh, well, it was unfair or whatever. Um, then I, it's possible that Jamie Raskin's, um,

idea of invoking the 14th Amendment and not letting Trump be put into or inaugurated on the 20th or on January 6th of 2025. It's possible that that happens, but the bigger the margin, the less likely that is to happen. So I think that a Trump victory with a significant popular vote margin is the best way to prevent any kind of

significant civil strife. Indeed. Did you want to elaborate at all? Well, yeah, I think the reason why I ask is because you see a lot of, I guess, Gen Z activists prominently left-leaning. It sounds stupid, but I guess what's demoralizing is the amount of followers they have compared to the Gen Z activists on the right. Kind of makes me a little...

Worried about the future, I guess. Well, if you look at all the streamers, like, you know, Nelk Boys, Aiden Ross, they're all doing Trump stuff. Yep. Those guys are cute. You know, I kind of imagine what's going on right now is like a chicken coop where the roosters are just really submissive.

And so the hens are running around doing fucked up shit and the predators are coming. And I'm like, the roosters aren't going to tolerate this. It doesn't matter what everybody wants. It doesn't matter what politics are. Sooner or later, the roosters are just going to go around and start pecking each other to death and everybody. And they're going to take what they want. And so what I kind of mean is it doesn't matter what women want to do, what they're going to do, what they're voting for. I can't remember which it was a feminist, like an ex-feminist who said this, that...

Society is is ruled by men and always will be ruled by men. And feminism is only the gift that that the patriarchy is giving these women. And all that matters is that if one day men decide to take the power back, that's it. The only ones that are enforcing feminist laws are men. The only one that allow women to speak up and get jobs are men. And it's the disproportionate power structure that exists between men and women that will always exist. And this was like it's like a feminist who was saying this.

And she was like, at any point, a man can just decide they'll take the power away from women. That's it. End of story. Women won't be able to get it back. Like, there's no circumstance where a million women rise up and then with guns overthrow patriarchy. It just doesn't exist. You think it's because women...

I biologically feel the need to reproduce the human species and are more like I will do anything to reproduce the human species, including become a servant. I think it's because women are social creatures and men are aggressive and disagreeable. So that means that if society falls in one way because men are weak, women will go with the in crowd, which is why they overwhelmingly want to go Democrat because the institutions are all Democrat. But men reject and go for Trump, the bad boy, the underdog, the bad guy, because men are disagreeable.

Women are more agreeable than men. Men are more disagreeable. So that's why there still are a lot of feminist guys. But men will largely butt heads and be like, I think I'm right, even if they're fucking idiots. And so there was this comedian said, when you realize that women are crazy and men are delusional, life becomes a lot easier. And I'm like, that's actually a really great way to put it. Guys are.

have a tendency to thinking that they're right about everything. They're overconfident. And that's what they do. They're like, they'll run into a burning building thinking they're going to save a life and be all right. And then they die or whatever. I used to have guys do. I used to kind of have a joke where I said that, uh, men all think that they're better than they are. Yeah. And there's like a stat that says, uh, you know, 70% of meds said they're above average at driving, for example, and women, they can, they can fight lying. I got no, no joke. They asked men if you could defeat an animal and a bunch of men that said they could beat a bear. Right. Yeah.

On the women's side, women all think that their problems are their average problems are unique. Women think they're more unique than they are, right? Men think they're better than other men. Women think they're more unique. So if a girl goes outside and it's raining and it rained on some event, it's not like

oh, it rained today. It's like, they did this to me. Like, I can't believe this happened to me. There is a hilarious graph where it's like they asked men and women if you thought, could you win a fight against these animals? And overwhelmingly, men say they could defeat most animals, like rat, rabbit, cat, dog, badger. And guys are all like, yes, yes, yes. And it slowly goes down, but it's at like bear, and it's like 7% still said yes. I mean, what percentage of guys, like...

Lie detector or like low-key, I could beat up Conor McGregor though. Especially like guys that are bigger, you know what I mean? Yeah, big dudes. I guarantee big dudes are like, look, he may be like really good, but he broke his leg and he's little. If I get my hands on him, you know, he may, you know, he's fast, but if I can grab him, yeah. Whereas, yeah, the women version of that is like, you don't understand how much different I am than these other girls. So real. Think about what that means politically. So funny.

A bunch of young guys are struggling to find wives. They're unhappy with their lives. They have no work prospects. They have no homes.

They are going to disassociate from the system. They are going to stop doing the jobs that women require, that women tend not to do. Petroleum engineer. Life will get shittier. Like, we are drifting towards a reality where young men are struggling to find it. And even young women. This means these young men are going to take jobs that benefit themselves. And they're going to drift away from socially important jobs. And then life will get increasingly harder for women who are single or alone. They'll likely vote for more government-

mandates for social care. This is what women tend to vote for. And the men are going to start rejecting and resisting their work and labor being taken from them. The tendency right now with single, like the rise of

non-marriage or whatever, I say people being single and not having kids is that dudes are going to be like, why am I paying for you? And when we're going to be like, women are going to be saying, I can't do this alone. The women will vote for the state to take from men. Men will enforce those laws. Other men will say, fuck you. You can't have my stuff. And the system implodes. So we'll see. But I don't know. We do got one more caller. I think we have one more, right? Is there anything else you want to elaborate on or or add?

I just wanted to give a shout out to Michael Jones of Inspiring Philosophy, hands down one of the best Christian YouTubers around. He has a pretty good breakdown on how young earth creationism is not required to believe in Christianity. And I'll post it in the live chat if anybody's interested. But yeah, I recommend him for the Culture War podcast if you guys are interested. Cool. Right on. Well, thanks for calling in. All right. We got last up, Safirata. What is up?

Hello, hello guys. How much? What's up with you guys? Chilling. We're doing a show right now. We're doing a Tim Kesson show. Fair enough. All right. Well, first off, the obligatory boys, boys, boys. There we go. Now we're talking. Let's go. Let's go. So Tim, I've been a long time listener of you. Been around since Reddit banned the Donald. Oh, wow.

That was, that was Phil. I've been listening to you since 2006 or seven. Cheers, man. Thank you. Awesome. It's been a little while longer, but, but I love you both. My question is for Kim and the panel today.

mostly about your segment on Weinstein and Cernovich earlier. So for context, I believe Weinstein is not only more influential and more significant than Cernovich, as evidenced just by a quick YouTube search and scan of the video count of the results,

I believe that Weinstein reaches, well, both respectively reach significantly different people, but I believe Weinstein reaches more normies and people who aren't politically enthralled. They know of Weinstein, respect his opinions, whereas Cernovich just reaches more of the politico types. And my question is, do you think it's more significant to find allies who can reach people on the other side of the political aisle as well as normies?

regardless of if they will actually vote for your favorite choice? Or would you say it's more important to have people who reach voters who are already likely entrenched on the right? Mike Cernovich broke the Epstein story, arguably one of the biggest stories of our lifetime and possibly the history of the United States. It's an international relations disaster, which the story has not concluded and persists to this day, with people constantly posting pictures of Ghislaine Maxwell and various political figures. Eric Weinstein knows rich people and speaks on podcasts.

Mike Cernovich is one of the principal social media drivers of Donald Trump's meme war and first campaign presidency. I think if you track the trajectories of these two men, Mike Cernovich is substantially more significant than Eric Weinstein. And that is not a disrespect to Eric Weinstein.

Being a finance guy who's done peer-reviewed science stuff and is friends with, you know, and helps manage big funds, it does matter. But culturally speaking, Eric Weinstein's impact on the culture is dramatically, dramatically smaller than Mike Cernovich. I wholeheartedly disagree. Only because Cerno's dipped out over the last decade. He's gone invisible.

Doesn't matter. We're not talking about this side of it. You are, you are, we are not great stuff. We are not talking about whether someone, we are not talking about whether someone knows a name we are talking about. Have you heard the name Epstein? Okay. But think about this. So you go, um, a guy like Eric Weinstein, you know, part of the kind of Peter Thiel world or whatever, they're the ones who kind of put the money together for JD Vance. Who's, you know, has a huge, enormous impact on the thing. And what did Weinstein do for that? Well, I'm just saying he, that's the world that JD Vance is from. We're talking about what is, what is Eric Weinstein done?

So the answer would be he's – so when you talk about like a culture that's being created, he's like a very influential part of that. So he's a piece of a machine. But an example, you go take a famous comedian that's very important or whatever, right? You go – you might be able to say like, hey, what does this guy have to do with it? And if you're part of that culture, you're like that guy is actually a pretty big deal. The question is not which name do you know. The question is who's had a bigger impact –

in politics and culture. And Mike Cernovich is no question. Everyone knows Epstein. You understand my point though, right? Like I'm, I'm not saying I'm right. I might be right. But if a lot of like JD Vance's talking points, JD Vance's ideology is coming from like the Weinstein world. That's a pretty big influential. If I get into an Uber and I say, have you ever heard of Eric Weinstein? Guess what he's going to say?

I don't know. It depends. No, no, no. If I say, I say, have you heard of Epstein? He's going to go, yeah, but we're not talking about Epstein versus Weinstein. We're talking about Mike Cernovich. No one knows who that guy is outside of the political realm. Okay. Let's try it one more time. Ian, we're not talking about whether someone knows a name.

You just did. You said if you sit in a cab and ask them if they know a name. Okay. We are talking about it. Slow down. I'll try to explain it to you again. Please do, Tim. We are talking about the significance of an individual's body of work. I'm not saying that Cernovich is not influential. He's massively influential. He's done great stuff. But Weinstein is super famous. Let's try this again. Fame has nothing to do with significance. Completely.

completely untrue, bro. Your fame directly influences your amount of significance you have on society. No. You are completely wrong. What the fuck are you talking about? Rodney Mullen is one of the most influential people. Never heard of him. Exactly. And he was monitored by the CIA because he created a multi-billion dollar industry that spawned something like 70 million people following his subculture worldwide. How many followers does he have? How many people's minds can he change tomorrow? No, I understand the point Tim's making. Like, there's a

you know, there's bands where you're like, they created this whole thing and you don't know their name as much. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's dudes who invented the paperclip. Guys, massively influential. Significance does not mean fame. It's not the same words. Significant is how big is your impact on the world? Sure. Who invented the paperclip? Who invented toilet paper? Sure.

Well, I know who invented the toilet. Mike Cernovich broke Epstein, and he was also one of the leaders in the meme war, which led to the election of Donald Trump. The work that he did in electioneering for Donald Trump in the first campaign was one of the largest components of getting Trump elected. Epstein is, hands down, nothing else matters. It was his investigative work and legal work that led to the breaking of the story, along with the Miami Herald on the Epstein story. One of the most significant stories in the history of this planet. No question. Done.

Eric Weinstein is very influential, but the significance of his work is nowhere near as large as breaking the Epstein story. Well, that could be true, but you could still, that question doesn't have that. Those two people, I would guess in that question, they were like placeholders for the broader idea. And here's the question. It wasn't about that. It was about some, the principal issue is that when Mike Cernovich criticized Eric Weinstein for not voting, uh,

Eric Weinstein said, I'm not going to get this with you. But Eric lost his fucking mind when Mike Cernovich said, there are a lot of people that offered you an olive branch that were more significant than you, myself included. And Eric said, how dare you? More significant? Are you kidding me? I can't believe you would say something like that to me. He lost his fucking shit over it.

And I'm sitting here laughing being like, what's his claim of his significance? Did he say he did peer reviewed journals and like studies on immigration and mortgage backed securities? And it's like I even said in the segment, if we want to go by pure fame, Mike Cernovich has more followers than you do. But that's not the measure of significance. No.

Mike Cernovich was was one of the largest components of Trump's first election, putting on the deplorable and things like this massive cultural significance. But more importantly, it just doesn't matter. Epstein, hands down, that is the grand slam of all grand slams. Don't get me wrong. Alex Jones played a big role early on in talking about Epstein. But it wasn't until Mike Cernovich did the legal work that that broke the Epstein story and along with the Miami Herald that Epstein

That dramatically reshaped the perception of every American and people around the world's view of international relations. All of a sudden, this story, which was largely viewed as a crackpot conspiracy, is a fact. And then Epstein killed himself.

I don't think the Epstein story is as big of a deal as your... Everybody knows it. Yeah, maybe. Everybody knows what a fucking paperclip is, dude. Nobody gives a shit who developed it. No one said that mattered. No one cared that Mike Cernovich broke the Epstein. Most, 98% of people you ask won't know who broke the Epstein story. And that's not what we're talking about. You're talking about who did a thing that became very influential. Okay, but that's not what the question... Divine significance. The question was something different. The user's question was something else. My point is, the caller said he disagreed because of YouTube views and argued that

Cernovich is not as significant because Weinstein gets more YouTube views. I think the argument was more that he's saying that he's preaching to the converted.

That was a question. Can you turn to bitches or that was that was what I was more valuable to preach to the people that already believe your message or to reach across the aisle and communicate with people that don't agree with you. That was the question. I think we are at a point right now with the election staring us down this next week for Eric Weinstein to be like, oh, heavens me. Oh, geez. I want all the things Trump offer, but I just can't vote for him is hypocrisy. It's a lie. There's this. That's not true. Dave Smith himself says he's voting for Donald Trump because Dave's being honest.

I understand Dave's ideology and I understand why he would vote for Trump. It all lines up with everything he's ever said. Eric Weinstein says he literally made a list of all the things that he wanted and then goes, but I can't vote for Trump. And I'm like, OK, that seems weird.

What's his big reason? What is his big? He is not my champion. A huge list of stuff that Trump's not perfect on. And yeah, but it was silly because he was like, I don't want open borders. I don't want children to be mutilated. I don't want censorship. I don't want people to harass and stalk people. And I'm like, so it sounds like you're a Trump supporter. And then he was just like, no, no,

And it's like, dude, this facade is not maybe a year ago when Rogan was like, I don't know. I like RFK. I'm like, I get it. Rogan doesn't want to alienate his left leaning viewers who who don't like Trump or are scared. But now that we're a week out from the election, Joe is like, I like Trump's administration and the things that he's doing, having him on and saying, no, no, I still want to entertain Kamala. But man, RFK Jr., Tulsi Gabbard. Wow, this is really great. Joe's making those moves. Dave Smith said, I'm voting for Trump.

And he said, this does not negate anything I've said about the man. I think all that is still true. But look what look what Kamala Harris is doing. And I'm like, yes, many Clint Russell, Jeremy Kaufman, all of these people are outright being like, I never wanted to vote for the motherfucker. But look where we are. We have to. Here's the reasons you are. It is it is hypocrisy to say outright, I fear all these things. These things I know to be destructive. These other things I know to be good. Trump accomplishes much more of these things and protects from these other things.

But I'm not voting for him. Alas. Like what? Like there's a logical equation here. You could say that. And I'm playing the devil's advocate here because I would say I'm taking that role. Yeah, but...

Some of those things are binary, right? So you might say, like, this is a deal-breaker for me. Like, you might say to someone, like, if you're choosing between two girls, and you go, this girl's this and this, but she worked as a prostitute. And you go, that's a deal-breaker for me. Some of these people might be like, you're saying, oh, what about all these nine things that you like? And they're like, well, this one is, like, a condition that must be satisfied to move and think about the next one. I hear you. Some people think of it like that. I hear you. I would modify the analogy. It's like, imagine...

if there's only two women you can choose from and you're going to be forced to marry one of them. And then it's like...

Okay, so there is this one that has the deal breaker, but the other one is just worse in every way. And it's like you got to pick one of them or else the other people will pick one for you. But look, I get your point. I'm going to put it like this. I understand why some people feel that way. I'll modify your analogy. Right now, you are being told that in the next four years, you are entering into a forced relationship you have no control over. One of the candidates has been stealing from you.

or one of your potential spouses steals from you, lies to you, is really annoying, laughs for no reason, and you just know that she's going to shit on the floor. The other spouse is a dude. No, no, the other spouse looks pretty good. She's not that bad, but she talks like this. Yeah.

And that's what they're saying. They're like, yeah, but she's so annoying. And I'm like, well, look, we're going to... Are you kidding me? You're sitting there going like, man, that lady is fucking me over. She's stealing from me. She's lying to me. She's dumb as a box of rocks. She's annoying as shit. But that other one...

is better than her, protects me from her, gets me halfway to where I want to be, but her voice, oh, I'd rather go with the one who's going to knife me in the back. It makes no fucking sense. Or someone's going to choose it for you. That's the thing about Weinstein not voting is like someone's going to choose it for him, like at least get behind the momentum in some direction. That's my argument. Or he can at least say, I despise Donald Trump. He is not my champion. I am voting for RFK Jr. I am voting for Tulsi Gabbard. I am voting for Elon Musk. I hope these people can make it right.

you know pray for us I'd be like okay

That's what Rogan said. That'd be a great culture war. I know Weinstein's not easy to get out of the house, but him and... Weinstein is also notoriously elitist, pro-elitist. Him and... Notoriously. Yeah, Cernovich would be great because Cernovich is one of the most down-to-earth, humble dudes. And he has every reason to be humble or elitist because of what he's done in his extensive career. I don't know Eric very well. I'd love to see those guys. I've done a couple interviews with Brett. He's fantastic. Brett and Heather are wonderful people.

What I've heard of Eric is that he's an overt elitist in the most extreme sense. I think he's very autistic. Let me finish what I was saying in that if you're like a working class, if you're a plumber, he has no time for you. You don't matter. That's the kind of attitude that people have told me. I've talked to people who have worked with him on booking shows and they say,

It is the snootiest Hillary Clinton holding a wine glass interaction I've ever had. A lot of scientists have that energy because of their career. They're like, if it is not fitting perfectly, I have no time. It's more of like a Silicon Valley guy than a scientist. When he says, how dare you say you're more significant than me? And I'll just pull up his tweet. I'll pull it up so you can read it for yourselves. That'll help. Is this recent? Yeah, it was like the other day. Look at this reaction. I mean, this blew my mind.

Quote, you were welcomed by many people far more significant than you, including myself. Whoa, what the fuck? Question mark, question mark. You are more significant than me? Question mark, question mark. Wow, Mike, I don't treat you this way. You have never said anything like that before. You have been decent to me. I'm just shocked. I mean, F that. Geez, I'm not doing this. I treat you with language. You can certainly do the same. You have a champion. I do not. Passions are high. So go fight. I don't even think we are playing the same sport.

And I don't want any of what you are, what you are stirring up against me. I'm not steering MAGA to the left. Seriously, what the hell? I'm largely a moderate common sense person during a time of mass delusions, particularly, but not exclusively on the left. That is not news. It's not low T, a trick, a secret or a crime. Not everything is gorilla. Go do MAGA. Go try to win. Good luck. But leave me the hell out of this end. And what was shocking was his

This was his initial upset. Well, that's how I responded. No, no, understand. I want to point this out. In his first post when he says, I'm failing this election, here's what I will say. Mike Cernovich and he had several back and forths that were fairly fine until Cernovich said, many people, he says, when you came out as liberal who doesn't understand the left, you were welcomed by many people far more significant than you, including myself. And that's where Eric snapped. Eric probably got... You just call him a moral coward and stuff in that. I think it was

Eric probably got bullied as a kid. Yes, I know, but his response was only, you're more significant than me? What? How dare you? Likely, possibly, Weinstein got bullied like crazy when he was a kid, and now he's got an ego because he's strong in a position of moral authority in nature, and now his ego is being challenged by someone, and he's lashing out. Plus, it's all in text, so you're not getting the tone. It would probably be a very cordial conversation if the two of them were having this face-to-face. Eric will say really harsh things in a very kind way when he communicates with people. That's my guess.

He's feeling challenged. I think there's also another... We're way over and I gotta go to bed. Okay, okay. Was there anything else you wanted to add before we wrap up? No, we don't need it. Did we? I wanted to mention... No. I

I did just want to shout out real quick. Eyes of advice. Ian, Tim, the song actually helped me quit smoking. Oh, cool. So thank you very much for that. Ian, you were great in that. I also wanted to quickly shout out Ryan Long Comedy on YouTube. The new special was tight. Thanks, brother. And yeah,

Yeah, no worries. It was amazing. So I strongly recommend everybody check it out. Phil, I just wanted to let you know, every time I go to the gym, my gym lets us pick the song listings and we can load up a few. I always load up the playlist with all that remains. Sick. Thank you so much, man. Thank you for...

Thank you. Thank you for keeping me pumped while I'm lifting. And I just wanted to say, if anybody wants to check out any artwork, my wife has a pretty creative art set up on TikTok and Instagram, Fate Seed Art. She does custom stuff if requested also. Right on. Thanks for calling in. Thank you so much. Thank you guys. Take care. All right. And for those asking, so Sam Seder is flying on an early... This is crazy.

He's taking an early morning flight Friday morning to arrive here at just on time for the show. And then as soon as the show wraps, he's flying straight back. Holy shit. Big day. Yep. Super fan. I love you, Sam. I'm not going to be here. Yeah, I think... I wish I was. And we'll see what we talk about. I think Sam suffers from something called... What is it called? Personality addiction. So the simple explanation is...

Timcast is nowhere near the most significant show right now in politics. Benny Johnson gets 150 million views per month. Timcast IRL gets 20.

Yet we are like the consistent focus of his conversations. Not all the time, maybe like one in 10 or something. And then the question is why? I think it's because he thinks you're someone he can have a conversation with. But you guys just talk past because you're on two. I never talk about him except when he talks about me. And I only talk about how he talks about me too much. You just have this style of personality that I know him pretty well. He reminds me of a really good friend of mine. I actually know him. Yeah. Like you guys could hang out and talk deep for long periods of time. I think that's why I don't think so.

I don't know. You both care about the same stuff. But like I always talk about issues, the president policy, and then he talks about me. It's relatively small compared to the scope of political YouTube right now. I think it's personality addiction. It happens to a lot of people. And that's why people are addicted to Trump and they won't shut up about him. We're going to wrap it up there, though. Guys, tomorrow morning, YouTube dot com slash Tim Kess News. Thanks for hanging out. And we'll see you all then.