John Daly
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One of the great ironies of living in a world that fetishizes diversity is how similar everybody is. Everybody in charge is exactly the same. They have the same opinions. They wear the same clothes. They even look the same physically. So when you see somebody in the public eye who doesn't look the same,

It tends to kind of stick out and you don't forget it. If you've watched professional golf anytime in the last 35 years, you may have noticed golfer, golfer, golfer, golfer, guy smoking Marlboro Red, golfer, golfer, who is that guy? And that, of course, is one of the most famous golfers in the history of golf, John Daly.

who doesn't look or act or think like pretty much anyone else who plays the game. And so we thought it'd be really interesting to sit down with him and find out what he's like. He joins us on set. John Ili, it's an honor to have you here. Honor to see you, Tony. Are you kidding? So you've played, you said you started at Arkansas like 40 years ago. So you're still playing. Yeah, I'm older, but to play the Champions Tour, we have a blast. It's one sport you can play all your life. All your life.

Do you ever think of yourself as like the one guy who doesn't seem like everybody else on tour? Kind of fit that mold. You know, I didn't have really a pot to piss in when I grew up. Where'd you grow up? In a little town called Darnell. We had nine holes then. Arkansas. Darnell, Arkansas. We had nine holes and I'd wade the ponds in the first hole and sell the good balls to the club and take the old balls. I wasn't old enough to play the course, so...

On Sundays, I could go out and play. Some of the members would let me play with them, but I learned how to play on a baseball field just right down from our house. How did you pick golf? Was your dad a golfer? I saw it on TV. My dad played a little bit, but it wasn't his A-game sport. But, you know, I just fell in love with watching it on TV. Were you good at it right away? I was kind of natural at it, but I'd learned. Jack Niffis came out with these Golf Digest lesson tees, how to grip it, how to hit a cut, how to hit a hook.

And so when I learned I'd sit on home plate, I'd grip it and I'd hit a cut to right field. I'd hit a straight shot to center. I'd hit a draw to left. Flop shot to the pitcher's mound. Chippin' runs to first base, third base. Flop shot to second base. Flop shots over second base. I mean, just...

I just learned it from a cartoon that he did back in the early 70s. That's how I learned the interlocking grip, everything from Jack Nicklaus. So you didn't grow up in a country club is what you're saying? No, no. It was a nine hole course. And then as I got older, played there and we lived there for a long time as, you know, as I grew up, you know, I just fell in love with the place. It's very quiet and peaceful there. What did your parents think? They, you know, I was pretty much played all sports, played, you know, football, basketball, baseball, everything, but

The one thing I loved about golf, you didn't have to run in it. I'm very flat-footed. I couldn't run for anything. Trying to play football as a field goal kicker, and I could throw it a mile. I just couldn't run. I was fortunate to kick football at Helias High School, where I kind of finished my two and a half years of kick football at Helias High School in Jeff City, Missouri, and then finished up in Arkansas to get in-state tuition in Arkansas because I just couldn't afford to. How long were you in Arkansas? Three years.

And then you went pro. Yeah. How is it different then for professional golfers, like the tour? It's tough. You know, back then, it was all state opens. You didn't have the Corn Fairy Tour. You didn't have these tours. You know, I ended up playing. My first tournament was Missouri State Open. It was in August, I think, of 87. I borrowed $300 from my mom, paid the entry fee, won the tournament, won $6,800, and never looked back. I tried to get Mom to check. She says, you take it, and...

what you got to do with it. So you've never had any other job? No, I had to clean carts and stuff and pick range balls. No, I mean as an adult, once you left college. You still like it? It's, I love it. I love to play. I love it. But when you're hurt and things, you know, you just can't play this game hurt. Basically the last seven years, I've had both knees done, both feet done. I've had shoulder problems. I've had back problems and

You know, I got diagnosed with bladder cancer four years ago, so right now it's benign. But, you know, you just, it's part of getting old. And, you know, when I can't, you know, everybody knows me saying this, they think I'm full of you know what, but I do like to practice. But when you can't, that's what sucks. I'm more of a, I like to go out and hit 500 wedges. Yeah. You know, I don't sit on a driving range, and I like to hit into greens and stuff and

I'm kind of a player practice guy, but when you can't do that to your ability, it's tough to compete because these guys on this Champions Tour and all over the world are so good. They're unbelievably good. I think one of the reasons people are mesmerized by you and have always been is because clearly you're succeeding through natural talent. I mean, it's not like, like, what are we looking at here? Just to give the audience some perspective. This is right. So this is what you would consume over 18 holes. Well,

Used to I drink a lot of John Daly good boys now. What is that? Is that health drink? No, no, it's my sweet tea lemonade vodka I can't drink it while I play but I think a lot of them now, but you still have like played at the highest level Yeah, yeah, I still play the British Open. I'm still in that time 16 the PGA Tom 65 and

The regular ones. I guess what I mean, you see some athletes and you feel like they were trained from birth, almost like the Soviet bloc used to do in the Olympics. Oh, yeah. Well, look at Michelle Wee. What a great human being she is. I mean, her pop was on her. I mean, I remember we played at the beautiful Nemecola Woodlands. Yeah. You know, Joe Hardy's place, Maggie's, 84 number. And I was fortunate enough when she came out, everybody said how long she was and

Maggie set it up where I could play nine holes with her. What a great girl But he had balls seven hours before she played nine holes with me. I would have had to get in a stretcher I hit that many balls for seven hours That's the mentality of the game now guys work and they work and they work and all of them have teachers and Psychiatrists and you know, they're food guy food girl, whatever is psychiatrist Yeah, I just never I grew up making golf serious. I

but not taking it that serious. You know, when we, Fuzzy Zeller, Tom Watson, Arnie, Jack, and all of us, you know, we'd go play a practice round. We'd go to the bar and have a drink. All these guys go work out. Well, we'd hit some balls, but maybe hit some putts, but then we'd go to the bar and have a drink, go to dinner. He wasn't going to work out and

All this stuff. It's a 10-hour day job for all these guys now. That's what they put themselves through. There's something kind of cool and old-fashioned about the man who doesn't do that, who doesn't have a problem pausing for a cigarette mid-game, and still wins. Well, it's been a while, but, you know, I still compete. Was there ever a point when you thought, I'm getting out, I can't do this anymore? Yeah, I think a lot of us go through that. You know, you're not playing good. I mean, these last seven years have been tough.

I really have not played one Champions Tour 100%, and I was fortunate to win Houston, I think, in 2016. But, you know, just trying to be healthy, giving yourself a chance to compete really well is what you want. But, you know, I finally got to have both knees done, full replacements, and this will be the first year I've actually been able to have two good knees. So hopefully 24 without any other problems.

Stupid crap, maybe I could actually get through a year without limping. Are you sick of being on tour? No, I love the game. I love to compete, but I just want to compete the way I know I can compete. So when you're playing on tour, do you go to dinner with the other players at night? A lot of times, yeah. A lot of us hang out on the Champions League. So you're open in your politics. You're pretty direct about it. Yeah, there's common sense in our country. Do you think you've got the majority view among golfers? Yeah.

Thank all of us on the tours and everything. We all want Daddy Trump back. Really? Why? Because he was a great president. He's a great guy once you get to know him. I've known him since the early 90s. And it was funny. I can't remember the tournament. He flew his helicopter and we played a pro-am. We went out back. We talked a little bit. And when he stood up, he says, mark my words, I'll be president of the United States one day. This is back in 92, 93, 94 maybe. Did you believe him? I did. I did. Interesting.

Unbelievable smart individual that people got to get behind him. We've got to do something. So but among professional golfers, that's like a pretty common view. No doubt. How's his golf? How would you assess it? I got to work with his chipping a little bit, but he hits it good. He puts it good. We just got to work on his chipping. What's wrong with the chipping? He just, I keep telling him, you got to move the ball up. Everybody thinks when you chip, you got to move it back. You actually need to move it up a little bit. If I don't see him for a while, it goes back to that bad habit again.

So when you correct him. He chips it like a tiger or a fill. So why not be like full-time Trump golf coach? I don't think he has time to play that much golf. He does seem serious about it. Oh, he loves it. He's passionate about it. But what I love about him, he plays quick. We'd go out and play golf. We could have an eightsome with him and we're done in three hours. Really? He don't mess around. Did Clinton cheat in golf? Is that true? Oh, yeah.

I mean, Bill would, he would take the club back and say, oh shit, give me another ball. Before he even hit the first one. He'd throw another one down. But he never kept score. I mean. Did you ever play with him? Yeah. I had to play with him one time. What'd you think? He needs to take up tennis. He's horrible. Really? Yeah. What about Obama? I didn't play with him. I never got to meet him or play with him.

But Clinton's that bad, but he loved it, right? Yeah, that's okay. I mean, hey, there's a lot of people that never get it. They're never good at it, but they love it. Keep playing. If it's something you love to do, go out and do it. It's a great game. But, you know, these guys, they don't have the time to really work on their game and do the things they want to. A lot of them are running the country. Some did a good job, some did a shitty job. We all know who did a great job. Do you think Trump's going to win?

He needs to win. I pray to God he wins. Why? Just for the satisfaction of bringing our country back together, get some common sense going in here again. And, you know, look what he did. The four years, how great was our country in the four years he was in office. And now look at it. No secure borders, license out of the roof. I mean, what the hell happened? Where did it go? I mean, I was loving the four years that Daddy Trump was in. And it's all gone to hell in two years, three years. It's just, what happened?

Did you see it coming? We all did. When Biden got elected, I definitely saw that. A lot of our corporate people that were around all the time, launched our tournaments, they all saw that. They knew it was going to happen. Have they ever leaned on you to shut up? No. Why would they? It's free speech. Well, because if you're in the NBA, you can't have your opinions. That's their problem. That's stupid. They should. When they were kneeling national anthems and all that, that was kind of...

Telling us to, you know, telling America to kiss our ass? Yeah. I mean, what was that all about? You tell me. I'd like to know, because I don't understand. Our football players were kneeling, and I'll never forget one game in the NFL, there was the Steeler guy that served, was the only one that came out of the locker. Yeah. What happened? I don't know. I think it was obvious that

Certain people wanted Americans to hate their own country and so they used sports figures to send that message your country's embarrassing It's immoral give it the finger hate it You know so much power athletes have be able to go that I don't know if it's that left or just that stupid I don't know well, they're being used Yeah, but then they're the ones who are looking like idiots doing it then but you never felt that in golf at all No, not with our guys. We're

We believe in the American flag. We believe in our freedoms, and we believe in what, you know, we travel probably more than any athlete on the universe. And we have to show our passport. We have to get visas. And look at our border. We're just coming in truckloads. And the Biden administration has done nothing. But says, oh, the border, it's under control. Just 7 million people whose identities we don't know living here. And what they say...

In his term, there's over, I don't know how many that they found that were felons or they were terrorists or whatever, more than any other president. Why do you think they're doing that? Votes. Votes. All he wants is votes. They just want to stay in office. Do you think they're going to make the illegals into voters? I heard they're giving them voter cards and anything anyway. They come in. I don't know if it's true, but that's what I've heard. Yeah. I would think that's the only... Why else would they let them in? What is the reason Democrats want...

All these people to come in free, and I got a guy that plays our senior tour, I don't miss his name, been here forever, won majors on the tour, and couldn't get a visa. Really? Yeah. But yet, you're letting all these illegals come in, giving them whatever they want, makes no sense to me. But there's got to be a reason. I think it's both. I don't know any other reason. And that happened, like, instantly, the second Biden got there. Yeah. And no one says anything. I feel bad for...

the good Californians, Texans. I mean, that whole border, man. I mean, I feel bad for the farmers and everybody. You see it every day. I mean, the stories of these cutting their fences, raiding their homes. I mean, why would the President of the United States let these people do that to our own Americans? Maybe if you hated the country and wanted to destroy it, you would do that. Well, apparently, what we've got up there right now, they must hate our country. You think

You think there's a chance Trump could win with a system like the one we have? I don't know. I'm looking at Iowa. I'm looking at some of these states that are changing that are kind of wanting to vote for him. All I know is I hope he wins. I'll have his back until I die. He's one of the greatest human beings I've ever met. The family's awesome. Once you get to know them, they're just good-hearted people. He only wants to help Americans. He doesn't want anything out of it. He wants to protect our country.

Which I think Putin never would have invaded Ukraine. Of course not. If he'd have been. And I don't think Thomas would attack Israel like they did if Trump was in office. I truly believe that. I think there's probably something to that. I brought you some cigars, by the way. You make cigars? Yeah. My buddies in New York, they're Dominican. They're handmade. I got the shorts. I call the short game. And I call the longs a long game. Do you think that tobacco helps your game? It relaxes me.

It's a stress relief. I mean, that's kind of your signature on the course is a Marlboro. Well, it takes us a while to play, so it's usually a pack around. Have you ever been under pressure not to do it on the course? No, the tour's been pretty good. I mean, there's been places that we go when there's a drought or whatever, and they said you can't smoke. But I get these little things. I never throw one on the ground. What is that? It's a little pouch that you put them in.

This one's a little older. I got some new ones, but it's what the fire department wear. Oh. And you just stick it in there, throw it in there, put it in your pocket, and empty it in a trash can. When you own a golf course and you see cigars and cigarettes on your greens... Yeah. ...and they get in the green mowers, it kind of tends to piss you off. Yeah, I believe that. You think Tiger Woods would be better if he smoked? Tiger's awful. I feel bad he's hurt, but... You beat him hungover once. I was still drunk, actually, but...

Yeah, that was a funny story. When and where? That was at Sherwood, early 2000s. It was the, there was only like 12 or 15 pros, but we didn't play too good the first day. And I'm sitting there with all my buddies. One is Chris Legu, who's been a sponsor of mine since then. And it was like 94, it had to be 94. It's been a long time ago. And we have the round table at Sherwood, and I got my bottle of,

Jack Daniels then and all our guys. I just meet these guys, right? Chris Leggio is a car dealer in Ontario, California. We became good friends. He's been sponsoring me since then. Tiger came in and I go, T, come have a drink with us, man. Come on. Nah, I'm going to go hit some balls. Two hours later, we're still in there. He told me, come on, man. Come have a drink with us. Nah, I'm going to go work out. And this is going on for about five or six hours. We're still there just pounding, getting drunk, having a good time. I got a sponsorship out of it, which I was happy.

And T.W. comes out in a suit, a tux. And I go, where are you going? He goes, well, I got a guitar on stage for you. You got to go to the dinner. I didn't know anything about a dinner. Bud didn't even know about a dinner. He always tells me when there's a dinner. He says, you got to go. I'm still in golf shoes. I got no shoes on. I mean, I got my golf shoes off. I'm barefooted. I got my shirt tucked out. I got shit spilled all over me. And I said, all right. Reeking of Jack Daniels and Marlboro. Oh, yeah. Just...

Drunk, and he's played a trick on me. So the ballroom wasn't very far, so I stumbled over there. There's a chair and there's a guitar, but it had nylon strings like Willie plays, right? He didn't know. You get your phone, and you can, a little guitar tuner, tune it up. I did knock on heaven's door, got a standing ovation. I said, I'll see you guys tomorrow. TLC early in the morning. We'd tee off. My caddy was drunk with us.

there's only two times i've ever drank on the golf course one i had a few course lights that we had a long wait played the back nine at riviera we had a long wait i downed four or five course lights i was playing like and uh there's like four groups ready to tee off on the front i down those shoot four or five under on that side and make the cut i got that finishing third but the funny thing about tiger was when i got on the tee i had my caddy bring me a crown or a jack and coke

and he's carrying the bag. If you've never played Sherwood, the first hole, he's walking and walking through all the cactuses and stuff going down this hill not to spill my drink. I grab my three iron and go on the tee. Mega long story short, I shoot like 65. Tiger shot like 71. He just shook his head the whole day. That's incredible. That's fun. So wasn't the lesson you should drink more on the golf course? Well, I'm not saying you should, but I've only done it twice.

But there was only that one drink. I think the statute of limitations are out for fine of me right now. Oh, so you're not allowed to do that? No. Like the pro-ams on our tour, Champions Tour, you can have a few in the pro-ams. Yeah. But no, you can't drink during the tournament. Would you change that if you could? Hell yeah. I'd probably play better. Do you play like in your private life with a beer? Yeah.

I drink these. I drink our good boy vodka. I like to drink it straight with a little Diet Coke on the side. You drink the vodka straight with Diet Coke? Like a Diet Coke chaser? Yeah. I drink good boy vodka and I chase it with this. You make your own vodka? Yeah, Alex Pratt owns it. We've got a lot of great friends and investors and we're in a lot of stores now. We're in Kroger, Walmart, Circle K just took us on. A lot of local...

In Florida, we started in Florida. We're Key West all the way to Jacksonville with Circle K. Cobra's huge in Kentucky. We're in about 26 states now. Total Wine, ABC's been wonderful. Yeah, this is going to be my true retirement for my kids. How many kids do you have? Four I know of. Have there been hints that you have others? No, no, not yet. Bud would have told me if I did. Your agent keeps track of the paternity claims? Pretty much, yeah.

No, I got three beautiful kids, blood, and then I got Anna's child, Caritza, that she's been with me since she was two. I feel like she's mine. I see why. Are any of them golfers? A little, John. Plays for the University of Arkansas. We won the PNC a couple years ago. We finished second last year. Hopefully we're going to do good this year. Does it surprise you that Arkansas, which was always kind of insecure about being Arkansas, is now this popular state? Your property values are...

dramatically higher and people are moving to Arkansas. Yeah, I mean Fayetteville is one of the probably is one of the Dardanelle, Fayetteville, a lot of towns in Arkansas are voted and that population number one, number two safest places to live. Yeah. You know Fayetteville, Arkansas is just you come see our campus. It is unbelievable. Our sports stuff is bar none. This football is just as big as NFL. The stuff that we have for these kids are basketball, musclemen,

Coach Warren, baseball. I mean, every sport's ranked. We just got to get football back. It'll happen. What did you make of live golf? I think it's great. I mean, I would have played it. Why the hostility toward it? That's something that, you know, I was hoping that Finsley would say, okay, look, guys, you play your 15 tournaments, go play it. You know, we have to play 15 on the regular tour, and I think 11 and 12 on the Champions Tour. Once you do that, then let us go play wherever we want. You know, I think golf's a growing game, and

You know, I'm not going to sit here and deny it. I didn't get paid to go play Europe. I got paid a lot of money to go play European events. What's the difference? You know, there's no difference. But, you know, I think golf's a growing game. I think lives looks like it's a lot of fun. Yeah. I would be perfect. They have concerts. The guys have fun. They can wear shorts, you know, and the pro-ams like we can now. They can ride around in carts. I mean, it's almost like playing the Champions Tour. Yeah. Three days of golf, no cut, but...

We'll say that Liv's got a little bigger purses than we do on the Champions Tour. Yeah, it's good to have foreign investors. I mean, to win $4 million for playing 54 holes, that's pretty good. I'm not good at math, but that's a lot. And then you've got your team. If you win your team, I think it's $900. That's $3.6 million. You get $900 extra thousand if your team wins. Is it true someone once told me that guys on the PGA Tour can actually wind up in the red at the end of the tour from transportation costs?

Like some people on the tour lose money. Oh, yeah. And that's one thing that Jay Monahan did. I think if you've got your tour card, you're guaranteed to get $500,000, I think, Bud. I think you're guaranteed. He's rolling with it. Yeah, I think they give you $500,000 no matter what. You get your card, I think now you get $500,000, which can pay your expenses easily for a year. But some of the people are not making big money at all. No, no, you lose your card. $126,000 to $150,000, you might get a few.

But after 150, you're kind of on your own. I read that you lost a ton gambling. How'd you do that? I had fun. What kind of gambling? It was blackjack back in the days. You know, you could play seven. You could play all seven hands. They've changed it now. You can only play three. So I'm glad they did because I quit blackjack. So now I just play slots. Have you ever won in slots? Yeah. Really? Yeah. How much do you think you lost in blackjack? Probably lost over $90 million. Probably won over $57. So $40, what is that? $39, $40, $50 million.

Seriously? Yeah. You don't sound bitter. I did it. Got to get over it. Move on. What casinos did you lose at it? Oh, everywhere. I love Vegas. I went to a lot of them. You know, had such great contracts. Good marker anyway. Million here, a million there, a million there. What's the most you let ride on a hand? Probably around 400 to 550,000. In one hand? Yeah, I had splits and double downs and all that. Did you win it?

Sometimes. Sometimes I lost. More loss than I won. I think it's supposed to work out that way. But you talking about some adrenaline now? Really? That's how people do it. I mean, 20,000, that's 140,000 up right there. So you're getting double downs and splits. Shit adds up quick. Did you play the odds, like play the card? I mean, or did you go by gut? A lot of times, if you've got a feeling you're on a roll, sometimes I would hit a hard 12. Really? Yeah, I would not hit it because...

You see a bunch of pictures on there and I'm thinking, "There's gotta be, just give me anything less than a 10." I don't care if it's a two. And most of the time the dealer would break. They say don't hit on 12. If a six or less is showing, unless it's an ace. - So you would play by intuition sometimes? - Yeah. - And do you think that worked better or not as well? - A buddy of mine,

It's all feel you know you you know two-decker goes really fast Yeah, he really can't get in the rhythm you do a six-deck shooting you get on a run Oh, that's a home run, but it only happens about one out of ten times So what's the most you won in one night? I won three point two three point three million on slots Bally's one night. What'd you do that night after I sit with a buddy of mine that was ripping? you know made or Tyler said time Mata and it was when me and Sherry got married and I

I went to a $25 machine. It was a 10-time machine. I hit two 10s on a red 7. I go, hmm, on $75, 360 grand. Immediately went to the 500,000s and kept hitting 80,000, 100,000. It was the greatest night I've ever had in slots. Where was that? Valley. In Vegas? Yeah.

Did you cash out and walk out? Actually, I took it and paid off markers in other casinos. I got out of there free, though. That's like signing up for a new credit card to pay off the other ones. Exactly. Rob and Peter to pay Paul. Did you still go to Vegas? Yeah, I go there, but I don't gamble like I used to. I love playing the slots. If you come off the road three or four weeks, you're just tired. I just want to sit there in front of a machine, smoke cigarettes, drink John Daly's, and hopefully hit a jackpot. I go to Hard Rock in Tampa. I love it.

Hit my machine 240 grand twice in the last week. In this week? Last week, yeah. 240 grand. Seriously? Twice, which doesn't happen often. What'd you put into it to get that? Probably 150. I mean, who knows, you know? Right. I said, you're robbing Peter to pay Paul. So? But it's fun, you know? Well, what does your agent say? I'm looking at him. He don't like it too much. He doesn't.

I don't like it too much, but hey, it's the bad habit that I can get my adrenaline going again. Have you thought about skydiving or anything like that? No, not. The only diving I do is like I'll belly flop in a pool. I'm good at that, but I don't go to the beach. They don't allow whales on the beach, so I don't go there. I'm not going to wear a speedo with this gut. So even though you know the odds are stacked against you and in the end you'll lose, it's still worth it for the adrenaline rush. Yeah, you know, it's just...

Bad habit that I love to do but I don't do I don't get markers. I don't do that crap anymore So what happens I've always wondered if you're a whale in a casino and you start losing big And you can't pay like what where does that leave you? That's why I don't get workers But like what do they do? Well that you can do a down payment as long as you pay something there. They're fine with it back in the day and

No threats? No, if you don't pay anything, you know, you don't know who's gonna come be knocking on your door. Is that true? I don't want that ever happen to me. No. It's true. It can be. You know people have gotten in trouble in gambling? A few, yeah. What happened? Well, most of them, they go to the legal department, they get lawyers now, but can you imagine back in the day what they probably done? No, I can't imagine. I think some knees would have been busted up. Are the odds better in foreign casinos? If you play Monte Carlo?

It's all the same. It's all stacked to the house, to the casino itself. Why do you think they got so much money? You ever play Pyke out? No, never got into it. Craps? A little bit. Man, when I was bored, I bet nine for some reason all the time on craps. And I actually did pretty good. Is there anything you regret from your career? No. Really? No. We all do stupid things, but that's part of life. The problem is doing them over and over again. Right.

Might regret on some of that stuff. I'm out of time, but yeah No, I really don't I mean, you know, I think everything and it's just part of life what we go through not everybody's perfect We're all gonna make mistakes, but one thing I've always done is I've owned up to mine You've never buds never had a lie for me. I've never had a lie I've never lied on never lie in front of my hands and stuff because if I screw up I'm gonna admit I screwed up. I'm not gonna hide it. I

Because sooner or later, it's going to get out, and then it just makes you look like a liar. That's pretty much the administration is right now. No, it's totally right. Is that why you're still around after all these years and all the drama? You're still popular. You're still working because you didn't lie. I love people. I love my fans. I love them to come out and watch me play. It's been disappointing these few years because I've been hurt and I haven't been able to play to my potential, but they still come out, and I love them for it.

One thing, an athlete, if golfers are athletes, I guess they are now because they work out. You mean if they're athletes? I don't work out. I put out. You don't think of yourself as an athlete? No. But, I mean, the hand-eye coordination required to hit a small ball downrange, I mean, doesn't that qualify you as an athlete? I guess. I don't know. I mean...

I'm not a guy that's going to go work out after a round or anything like that. I mean, maybe there's been that talk if golfers are athletes, but I will tell you this. I guess I am because all the swings that we've taken, I'll never forget playing a pro-am is 120 degrees in Memphis with Brett Favre. And we're on the great guy. We're on the 16th hole. I think it's a par five at the, at the TPC course there, South wind. And it's hot and he, he's miserable and he, it's just slow.

He looked at me, he says, man, I'd rather have a 350-pound lineman come at me right now than doing this shit. But it is. We're always battling weather. We're always playing in different places that the weather's good or bad. It's a tough sport. And the swings, the tolls that you take on this, your body takes on the swings that we do. It catches up. Oh, yeah. What's the best course in the United States?

I'm kind of favorite. Well, Augusta is one of them, of course, but Torrey Pines South is one of my favorites. Bay Hill was always one of my favorites. Torrey Pines in La Jolla? Yeah. Yeah, I was fortunate to win. I think it's just a good classic long, hard golf course, and it's public. I've always loved Torrey Pines South. And what was the second one? Bay Hill, Augusta. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, there's a ton of them, but those are my three favorites. I used to love to play for Arnie. I'd always love going to Bay Hill playing for his tournament. Who are your favorite golfers? Well, he's one of them, Jack. Buzzy Zeller is probably my best friend ever. He took me under his wing when I didn't even have my card. Really? I don't know. He just liked me for some reason. We became great friends, and he was a true friend. You know, these guys out on tour now, they don't seem to do that as much as they used to. They hang out with each other.

No, just like, you know, like they talk about who their idols were, but a lot of them didn't hang out with them, you know, nowadays. I love hanging out with Fuzzy. I loved hanging out with Arnie. Just the stories, you know, Bay Hill locker room. You know, there's Thomas Stadler, Mahaffey, me, Fuzzy, Tom Watson, Jack Nicklaus, just sitting there.

Some of us were having cocktails, some were drinking sodas, but they'd sit and tell the stories. So when famous golfers get together over a drink to tell stories, they tell stories about women or golf? Can you be more specific, Mr. D? No. That's that lawyer-client privilege. Some of the stories were amazing. Really? I can't tell them, but just to be a part of looking at legends like that, idolizing these guys, I...

To me, it was the greatest time. And that's probably not just because Bay Hill is such a great golf course, but just sitting with these guys in Arnie's bar in the locker room. It's just, to me, that was the ultimate. And you think that's gone now? I don't see it happening. I don't know. I haven't played the tour much. They took away, can't play cards in the locker rooms anymore. A lot of guys don't hang out in locker rooms anymore. Why can't you play cards in the locker room? I don't know. The tour just doesn't like us playing cards anymore.

Might have been a little gambling going on there. Well, I would think. We couldn't do it. That's kind of probably when I first came out, I think that they had stopped it. Last question, the caddy relationship. How important is that? Oh, it's very important. I mean, that's got to be your best friend out there. You've got to know the wind. They've got to know how far you hit each and every club. You've got to line your putting. They've got to know everything about you. How good are...

Caddies on average as golfers. Well, some are great and some are friends that don't help, you know They're there just to carry the bag, but some players are fine with that. I'm kind of my own man I need help sometimes in the wind But other than that, I'm pretty much whoever carries it. I don't really need a lot of help You're not taking strategic advice from your caddy. No, I will but will I listen most likely not Interesting. Don Daly, it was great to meet you. You too.

About time. It's been forever. It certainly has. I've been a fan for a long time. We need to smoke a cigar in a minute. Let's do it.