Toxic Diet Culture Habits | How We Transitioned to Intuitive Eating
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What is up, Bessies? Welcome back to another episode. I am Sam. And I'm Taylor. This episode is so highly requested, probably since we started intuitive eating in the summer. Yeah, I think it just took us a little while to actually do it, be in the field of actually intuitively eating, to talk about it because this is our first time where we have like...

full food freedom. And we want to be able to share that with you guys and hopefully help you guys down the road to get to where we are with food. Yeah. And I'm really happy that we waited because I feel like we just have like overall, like an entire experience to share coming up on a year of really, really understanding our bodies and the way we like to eat to feel good, look good without tracking our food. Um,

So keep on listening. It's going to be a really good one. We're going to get all informative on you. Because, you know, like we like to say, we like to talk about how we are complete and utter feral shit shows. But we do know things. We do. So shocking. I know. But we do know things. Also, do I have toothpaste on my face? No. Okay. I just like wiped my mouth and it tastes like toothpaste. So I didn't know if I had some on my face because I just brushed my teeth.

Anyways, but before we get into the actual episode, let's talk about our week. Yes. I have a lot to talk about this week. I wrote a few bullet points down. First and foremost being, I took my first Barry's class this week, and I took two over the weekend because I wanted to start my workout split the right way because I have a new workout split now, but...

it's funny because we got called out in our dms after i did barry's workouts did we yeah i guess like a year ago we shit on barry's workouts well you did did i yes you said quote unquote like i don't understand the point of it like if you're really raising your cholesterol as a woman like it's not good for you like oh cortisol levels yeah i was like oof i was like oof

Yeah, I mean, I'm just not a hit workout girly, but what gets you moving is what gets you moving. And obviously, the thing is, when things are said, I feel like no matter who says it, you have to understand there's probably a whole...

There's a whole lot of context in what's going on. Because I don't even remember saying that. I'd have to listen to the full clip. It was like a year ago. She said that the comment really rubbed her the wrong way. And she stopped listening to the podcast. And then she saw that I went to Barry's workout. And now she's listening to the podcast. Yeah.

I mean, but here's the thing. Like, there's so many things, like, especially with podcasts when, like, you're talking for an hour every single week. Like, I listen to a lot of podcasts where they say things every now and then where I'm like, I disagree. Yeah.

But, like, but you can just disagree and keep listening. Like, I say to people, I'm like, oh, I disagree. But, like, that's the beauty of this world is you can think whatever you want. And especially disagreeing over a workout class. I'm not talking disagreeing over anything serious. Like, we're just talking about a workout class. Like, if you disagree, disagree. Like, do you? Like, it literally doesn't matter to me. Like, I'm...

not a HIIT workout girly. I'll go to one for shits and giggles. I'll show up and I'll try. But I mean, I think it's cool that you go. And it's also like everything's always circumstantial. Like you can't lift heavy right now. So you have to go to class. Like everything is circumstantial. So like someone saying, oh, well, this may not be like the best

The best workouts that you can possibly do in your whole entire life. That doesn't mean that, like, for right now, for what you're doing, it's not the best for you. Yeah. Like, everything is very relative and circumstantial. Which I think I want to also get into this in, like, later in the podcast episode. Like, kind of going over, like, diet culture now to, like, spot the difference between diet culture and just, like... A diet? Like, doing well for yourself? I found when I was, like, doing a little bit of research before the podcast, I had, like, this little diagram, which I'll read later. And, like, one of those points is...

kind of relating to like workout splits and like your workout class or not classes, but just like how you're working out in general. Yeah. I'm excited to talk about that because what brought that up to me, I had the same kind of thought because Leo, our King is his name. Leo.

Our TikTok king. I love him. Oh, my God. No, in love. Like, literally in love. I would go into this. Oh, my God. Yeah. If he was interested in me, like, in any way, shape, or form, interested in women, like, hey, like, hit me up. I love you. Like, let's get married. Like, we're so down. You can marry us both. You can live in our house. We'll literally be sister wives. Like, just...

yeah leo hit us up but like he posed like he's like really strict on a meal plan and he was kind of posting like stop calling me disordered like i'm just on my grind yeah and it was like a good like and i was like yeah that's such a good point like knowing how to differentiate because he's just on his grind yeah so yeah we'll definitely get into that and i'm excited for that

Speaking of first times at a class, I taught dance for the first time yesterday. Well, not for the first time ever. Yeah, we haven't even talked about that. Yeah, for the first time at this studio and teaching adults. I used to teach kids like all the time in summer camps and stuff and whatnot. That was a pretty common thing I do. But I've been taking dance class and I've been dying to teach it just to give myself like another sense of

purpose kind of and our schedules whatever we want throughout the week so I was like it'd be kind of nice to have one hour where like I need to be somewhere and have to do something um it's 6 30 every Tuesday DM me on Instagram if you live in Austin and want to come it's a good time um

You should show up. It's hip-hop fitness. It'll get your sweat on. Yesterday, I literally died. I underestimated how hard it is dancing and talking. I was truly unwell, but it was a lot of fun. And now I get to teach dance and stuff, and it's a good time. And I get to go to the classes at the studio for free now since I technically work there. So I'll be dancing up a storm.

I'm happy for you. Maybe one day I will make an appearance, but as of right now, there is no rhythm in my body, and I don't know if that will be changing anytime soon. You can come watch. You can come sit. Yeah, I could. Just a little cheerleader in the corner. But let's get into the weekend festivities. The weekend festivities. I'm trying to think if there's anything else crazy I did during the week that I wanted to share. We got back from Cabo, so there really wasn't anything. You're so right. I went to a workout class that Friday.

The Barry's Bible class. And then we had Haley's birthday party.

party yes yes you're so right it was very much got back from cabo went out and people were like guys how are you doing this like i'd be dead we would not have gone out on friday if it wasn't her birthday yeah like hayley's a really good friend it was her birthday it was one of those things you have to go so just like we're not literally insane like after that week long in cabo i would have gladly stayed home the whole weekend but save money when it's your friend's birthday i'm

some things have to be done and you have to go to the party is what it is really upset if it was the other way around my friend like left went on vacation and like knew like my birthday was the weekend like no you you gotta show up for people's parties all of our like all of our friends showed up to the pregame like if it's someone's birthday you gotta show up for your friends that's just how it is so yes we rallied

We went out. Yeah. And then, so before the party, which it was like a pregame. And then we all went from like the pregame at our apartment, like our friend's apartment complex to,

out downtown but before that i went on a first date yes she did we're not following the podcast tiktok you need to be because that's where you get all the tea on first dates boys and just like any other kind of like little drama that we just like to talk about that doesn't maybe fully get into the podcast yeah you'll kind of get your little teasers of what we're gonna talk about or sometimes like things don't make it to the podcast because maybe at this point you know it's almost been a week ago yeah so we might like

Or we forget. Because we already talked about it somewhere else. Right. Sometimes I'm like, wait, did we talk about it on the podcast or somewhere else? And I forget. Exactly. So if you want like fresh, like I'm talking, we'll make these TikToks. I still have makeup on from the night before. Like these TikToks are raw, real, fresh. They're a good time. And we really put those on the internet at our risk. I was just thinking about this. Okay, so...

I matched with someone on Hinge who has a big like Instagram following. And I just realized like I'm going on the first date with him tomorrow. I don't know if I can talk about it. He'll literally see that. Like we're mutuals on TikTok. Then some things are podcast exclusive. Yeah, no, that won't be on TikTok. Some things are podcast exclusive because, oh, your nails look really cute. Sorry, I just saw she just got back from the nail salon and I just noticed them. They're really cute. I'm going to probably get this color for a while. They're long as fuck.

I can't really lift right now, so I don't really care. Yeah. I was thinking about that, too. I was like, wait, should I cut them? But I was like, I can't really lift. No, I mean, like, they look really cute. But yeah, the color of my nails is First Kiss by D&D. Highly recommend. No, it's really cute. Sorry to cut you off. I was just, like, really, like, stunned by the beauty of the color. They're really cute. What were we just saying? Oh, you can't post it on TikTok because he has a TikTok following. Oh, yeah, no, I can't post it on TikTok. And that's okay. We'll talk about it on...

the next week's episode after I go on the date. But anyways, this man, because I have another- I have two men- two man's first dates, but I'm gonna be going on a second date with him tonight. But the first date went really well. We just went to go get drinks at a bar downtown called Caroline's Upstairs. Super cute. I walked in there, Taylor, and I forgot to mention this to you, but-

I have never been there in my life. I walked in there, Taylor, and I was like, where the fuck am I? I have never been here. If you need me to reach out to my ex-boyfriend and get confirmation that you were there... But I don't think... It has been so long. It was almost two years ago. I was like, I have never... It was almost two years ago. For all I know, they could have changed the front. This was a long time ago. That's so true. I'm not even kidding. And we didn't spend...

hours there. I'm not even kidding. You were there for maybe like 30 minutes and like it was so long ago and also you didn't walk up and go right in there like you probably came from our hotel room like yeah because it's part of the hotel. Yeah.

Yeah. But I, like, literally, like... Like, I was walking around with him. I could swear on everything. But, like, I don't even think we, like, saw much of the place. Like, I literally think we went right to a table, sat, and got a drink. Because it was literally just connected to our hotel. Yeah. I promise you. Maybe. I don't know. I was just, like, in a different universe. I was, like, walking around with him. And I was, like... Because we were leaving. So we sat...

sat down and then when we're leaving we like do a whole lap and i'm like my roommate says like i've been here before and i'm like i promise i'm not drunk right now but like i've never yeah i'm telling you it was so quick like two years ago but i know you have i just i know you have i know where we were sitting i know you have but it was so fast and so long ago yeah like i probably wouldn't really remember either yeah no i don't i don't but um so when we were sitting there i

I literally look over and like two of my really good friends are sitting at the table next to us and I'm on a first date keep in mind like this man doesn't know me I don't know this man we didn't even know each other's last names before going on this date and like Taylor finessed figuring out like his like social security number on the internet literally because she just knows how to do those things yeah for the day she's like I don't even know his Instagram I was like bitch looked at his hinge I was like I found it his name is this he works for this company he's here I'm

And he was like, what the fuck? Listen, you put your job in your hinge profile. I just looked you up. Your company website came up. There was your first and last name. There you go. Boom. Easy. Yeah, that's actually crazy. I have to start doing that more because the amount of times where I meet up with people and I really don't know anything about them, I should probably say one safety wise and two just like- It's fun. Prepare. Yeah. Fun. Anyways. But-

So my friends that were sitting right next to me, he goes up to go to the bathroom. And then I walk over to my friends. I'm like, I just met this man. Like, I just met him. They're like, they're like, not gonna lie. We're trying to like ease you up on the conversation. It seems like you guys just met because like, it's such like service level conversation. Yeah. Yeah. And they were like, how's it going? I'm like, it's going great. It's going awesome. Like, and I was like, so are you guys going to the party after this? Because we were all going to the same party. And they're like, yeah, I was like, dope. Like, I'll see you there. But yeah, then I ended up leaving.

And when we got into the car, because he was going to drive me over to the party, this man literally gets me flowers. And I was just so thrown off because like from our perspective, what Taylor and I were trying to get across on TikTok, because everyone on TikTok is saying like, oh my God, the flowers are good. From our perspective, it's like this man does not know who I am. So like, does he do that for every single first date he goes on? Yeah, definitely.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't feel special in that sense of like, oh, he knows me already. Like, he's going to buy me flowers. He's just like, oh, I'm going on a date with a girl. Don't know her. Don't know her last name. Like, he literally had me in the contact as Sam Hinge. Yeah. And I had him in my contacts as, I'm not going to say his first name, Hinge. And so it's like...

I don't know. I think it's a little iffy. I don't think it's needed. I think there's other ways to do nice things than getting flowers, but that's just me personally. Like, you know, open the door, be a gentleman, pull my seat out, walk on the right side of the sidewalk, pay for dinner. If we were talking about with our friends, if you happen to be walking by someone selling flowers and you walk by and you buy one, that's cute. But like showing up with flowers,

To me, literally not necessary. I just don't really need it. I think it's because to me, I see it as a really like a very, very nice, cute thing. And...

I feel like that deserves, like, an occasion or, like, something, like, really, really sweet. Like, I take it very, very, like, personal and to heart when a boy gets me flowers. So I guess that's why, to me, it's a little bit weird because it wasn't, like... Like, when I was in a relationship and my boyfriend got me flowers, even if it wasn't any type of occasion, I still just, like, really, really, like...

really took it to heart. And I'm like, this is not something kind of like a random person can do for me. I take that kind of seriously. Yeah. So that's just how, like, that's how I see it. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to downplay like his actions. And I know for a fact, like he doesn't date, he doesn't go out. Like his friends would actually forced him to go on this date because like he doesn't go out on dates. Like his friends two weeks beforehand made him go on a blind date because he doesn't like leave his house and go out. That's kind of like a red flag. No. Okay. Well, the thing is, it's like,

No, I get it. No, no, no. It's not actually not. I'm just like looking for problems. No, I'm just like being, I'm just like being a drama starter. No, you are so bad. No, but like just the way it did, like, no, I even said to Taylor, you said he's too introverted for you. But,

people always say opposites attract right as long as they're the good they can't be so here's the thing he's not bad though no no no no i'm just saying like in general like maybe not him like introverted is good to like balance but but they can't be like raining on your parade being like oh why do you want to go out you know what i mean so as long as they're they have to be a good balance and it can't be like he goes out every weekend yeah he can't be like

Shitting on people who want to like be out and so yeah because I literally well even like when I was talking to him because I talk a lot when I'm on dates and like I'll ask a lot of questions and I'll just like I'll be like the one talk doing a lot of the talking he was like you're a handful I can tell I was like yeah I was like this is like you gotta be used to this like if this is like a red flag to you like that I'm outgoing and stuff like don't take me on the second date but he wants to take me on a second date so yay tonight yeah Sam's going on a second date and

I have been... Obviously, you guys know I've been, like, seeing a dude from Hinge, like... She's getting cuffed. Frequently. No, but, like, the way, like, I have commitment problems and, like, I just, like, realized, like, I don't know, like, the more I'm just, like, oh, like, I, like...

really don't know so i'm gonna have to cross that bridge when i get there like maybe kind of soon of being like i really don't know if i can like date you date you but anyways besides that so my thing i made a tiktok about this i use tiktok as a dating app i fully will be commenting like just throwing riz in boys tiktoks like no other it works every single time they will always follow me on instagram and dm me um i've only like

Sometimes it's the same people multiple times, but it works. There's maybe five of them now that I just got to follow me on Instagram. I'm like, yes. But the newest one, I saw this cute boy on TikTok and I was like, this guy looks so familiar. So I click on his Instagram and I was like, no way. And this thing's in Texas. So I was like,

Bro, where do I know this guy from? Clicked on it. I see a selfie that I knew I matched with that guy on Hinge. So I commented it on his video. I was like, oh, we matched on Hinge. And now he's DMing me on Instagram and he wants to hang out. And he invited me to go to a concert with him in Houston. And I'm like, I'm not going on a road trip with a stranger. Not even a road trip. Going to a concert with a stranger. I just don't want to do that. Yeah, Sam was like, she texted me, you're just going to stand and sing with a stranger? You can't talk to me. How many siblings do you have? Like, what?

Where are you from? What was your college degree? Yeah, you can't do that. But he's like so cute and he lives like not exactly in Austin. So I'm like,

everybody says he's here all the time so i'm like perfect when are you gonna be here because i'm like a little bit in love with you like yes but she does need to you you do need to figure out what's going on i know uh i know but like here's the thing like i'm just like so incredibly picky when it comes to like actually having someone commit to being like

boyfriend and girlfriend and I know like people like kind of like casually date I was that's I was literally just about to say that you are 22 years old you're allowed to casually date like you're not looking for like the love of your life like well I mean you want to get married so young but like like some people just like exclusively see someone and like just kind of like date and then it like fizzles out and it's like not that serious but to me like I just like don't know if I can do that like there's no reason for me to be exclusively seeing you if like I don't like if I'm not like in love with you

Because it just made me think, like, talking with this dude. Because, like, some of the other... He's such a nice guy. It's so bad. You date him. No. No, he is, like, so nice. I'm going to name drop on accident. No, he is, like, so nice. Like, for real, for real. But...

It's just hard. Like, I have, like, really, like, strict criteria for someone, like, being around me, and I guess we'll see. But here's the thing. Other guys that I, like, drool over on the internet, like, don't live here, and I'm probably never even going to meet them. But, like...

this is the first time i'm like wait like i want to go on a date with this guy like really bad yeah and then it's like okay like that like because then it's like okay i don't like him like that much because it's like no i want to go on a date with this guy yeah like i want him to come here and i want to go on a date with him what i think you should do i think you should have those like conversations yeah like those important conversations of like what will give you the ick to like run away because like those are like make or break things for you so if yeah it breaks then

yeah it's over then it's over yeah yeah no one then you can move on because you're kind of like hanging on yeah really know like where it's which if he's like then that's fine i could just be like casual i'd be like sick because like but i think you should have those conversations because it's a fun like night out activity but there's so many like there's so many options but like no but like there's really not because like no there isn't because like

Good sex is hard to find. Yeah. Guys, oh, we gotta skip to Saturday. Good sex is hard to find and...

It's like really hard to just like throw that down the drain. We got to skip to Saturday. Oh, God. Yeah, we do. We do. Don't we? Because, well, first, like a little a little wholesome news. It's South by Southwest. Yeah. Which is where every single company literally ever if it's a brand of some sort, it's here and it's hosting an event. It's everything. Tech, music. It's kind of like Fashion Week, but for like brands. Yeah.

Where they have like these events and like showcase their brand. Yeah. It's literally any single brand you can think of is probably doing an event here. Like Amazon was here. HBO Max. We just went to a Bumble event. Yeah. There's everything.

So we did a little shoot for Boutin in the morning. That was really fun. I was so hungover. Like, I almost threw up at that shoot. Like, I had fun. We got good content out of it. But, like, I feel like I was still drunk slash, like, not really going here. Yeah. Sam was truly unwell. And then we went to the pool. And Sam slowly became better. I became so better so quickly. Here's what happened, guys. What?

You know, I didn't really think much of it. Like, I didn't, like, the day was the longest day ever. But when I got there, me and, can I, like, say what we did? Yeah. Okay, I didn't know if you were, you're okay with it?

Yeah, we've said it before. Oh, we did? I thought we did that on Snap. No, we said it on here. Oh, anyways. Okay, so we did shrooms, guys, for the first time. Oh, yeah, we did because we microdosed in Cabo. I'm like, because my mom texted me about it. Yeah, yeah, we microdosed in Cabo. I totally forgot. Which, we microdosed in Cabo and did not do shit. So I was like, you know what? We needed a round two. So round two, we get over to our friend Connor's apartment and I'm like, let's do it.

And he wanted us to take like a full, like full gram. And I was like, no way in hell I'm doing that. So what did I do? Like 0.8. I did 0.8. I was like,

Even if that's such a small little, like, difference. Like, to me, mentally, it made a big difference if I went down, like, 0.2. Which I am so happy I went down 0.2. Because that 0.8, like, roasted me like no other. So, we went to the pool. We were just going to hang by the pool. And I didn't think the pool was going to get super busy. But it got pretty busy really quickly. We were laying there. And within, like, 30 minutes, I started to, like...

feel the shrooms kick in. And let me just say, guys, it was so relaxing, like so peaceful. I just like started to like, my body just started to like melt into the chair. Like I could not move. I had like, I think about five minutes total where I was geeking out a little bit and I started seeing things like anyone that wasn't doing shrooms, like,

When I looked at them, like their body was just like kind of like morphing, like Taylor turned green. My friend Hunter, his mouth and his eyes were like popping in and out. Like it was weird, but it was only for like five minutes. And I took myself out of it. I was like, Sam, calm down. Like, it's fine. Like everything else is peaceful. Just don't look at Taylor and Hunter. Just don't. So I stopped looking at them and everything else was just so nice. It was so fun. And me and Connor were the only ones that were like,

you know, having a good time laying there, like, smothered in the chairs. Like, literally, I'm not even kidding. I, like, everything I was, like, touching or feeling, like, there was just, everything's texture was, like, way more. I went to go touch my boobs, and I'm not even kidding. I thought I had, like, triple Ds. Like, my boobs felt so big. I had to go to the bathroom, like, mid, like,

that because I was like wait are they and I took a selfie in the mirror and then like a few hours later I looked at it I was like Sam you were like having like crazy body dysmorphia yeah I genuinely thought like my body was like all morphed yeah it was quite the scene to watch I took it too but it didn't do anything to me because um according to the internet taking SSRIs

totally like um like blunts the fact the effects of psychedelics so i was truly good to go i guess i maybe just felt like a little relaxed in the beginning like i really didn't want to stand up but that's kind of it i don't really feel anything um and sam is like cracking up at everything and like she just like thought i was like i was like giggling at everything but she kept being like can you acknowledge me because this girl was just saying like

nonsense bro and I'm just like sitting there on my phone like enjoying my peaceful day at the pool and she's like laughing saying nonsense and she's like can't you just acknowledge me I was like what do you want me to say to you like my biggest thing was like the whole entire time like I would like

I would like think of something and then like I would half say it out loud so the conversation made no sense I'd be like I'd be like looking at like a tree like wow that tree like in my head I'd be like wow that tree is like so cool and then I'd be like I'd say like the rest of the sentence to like Taylor and like she would just look at me look away look back at her phone and I'm like can you just like acknowledge like I just want her to be like you're so right or like yeah nice but and I was like the way I feel like you think I'm being like that I'm like in an awful mood you were like she was in the

Yeah, you're like, I wish you felt like I did right now. I was like, I feel fine. Like, I feel like you think I'm sitting here hating my life. I'm having a great day by the pool. I'm just not, like, on your level, but I'm having a great day. But, like, she was truly – I've never seen someone giggle so much in one sitting, like, and just be so happy. The weird thing, though, when I realized about shrooms is, like, you don't, like, crave food. You just, like, crave, like –

Like nature. Like it was so crazy. Nature was just the best thing. So we ordered Uber Eats. It was like, it didn't hit. I was like kind of upset about it. I was like, damn. I ordered my favorite thing too. Like my favorite tacos did not hit. So around five, I was like, Taylor, we need to leave. I was like, you need to drive my car. There's no way I'm driving. Yeah, I drove. I put the window down, the breeze on my face, the like...

the colors of the grass and the flowers and everything oh my god it was the best car ride home ever yeah it was so funny to watch and then our friends came over and then hunter took shrooms so everyone was on shrooms except for me and it was like really just making me anxious i was like you guys are like really a lot for me right now and like it was i don't know why like sometimes i just get anxious around like drugs and like i don't know i was just getting so in my head because i did take them

So even though I didn't feel anything, I was just getting so in my head because they'd be like the sunset so pretty and the sunset was so pretty. Like the way any sunset is like so beautiful. Like the view of the sunset off my balcony is always gorgeous. I don't know why I don't sit there every single day. It's always beautiful. So in my head I'm like, okay, like it is so beautiful. But like, is it?

am i seeing it how they see it like do i feel the shrooms like no it's just great and i was like no like it's literally just a pretty sunset like you're looking at a pretty sunset like why you guys are like oh my the plane looks so pretty and like it did like the plane would do like it did like it was really nice like and i was just getting so in my head on if like i was like feeling the shrooms or if i wasn't because i'm like the weather was so nice and the breeze and like you guys would be like wow the breeze feels so good like the weather feels so nice i was like yeah i

Like, shit, like, am I on shrooms? And it's like, no, it's just a nice day and you're watching the sunset. Like, relax. Like, it's really okay. Did you have to, like, go, like, I don't even know. No, I went downstairs to get water and then I was like, I'm just gonna chill here for a second. But then it made it worse being downstairs, like, on my phone because then I was alone. Yeah. And when I'm alone...

like i don't know i like being in the yeah like i can't just be sitting there with my own thoughts distracted so i'm like okay i need to go back up because i thought i'd feel better i was like sitting here going down to find you because you were gone for a while and i looked at the boys and i was like guys like she's really paranoid right now like she's a little anxious so like stop talking about it to her and i was like should i go down there i was like but then i was like no if i go down there because she's running away from me like i'm the problem it's me

problem answering. She's trying to get away from me. No, but I was like, yeah, like, you guys are just like a little bit much right now. It was just hard to keep being on people's energy. Like, you weren't at that level of like, teehee, best day ever. I

I was like, I just kind of want to go to bed. And they're on the balcony attached to my room. So for a second, I was just laying in my bed and everyone's like, where did you go? I'm like, I just want to sit here for a second. You guys be on drugs out there. I'm going to sit in here on my bed and relax. But it was definitely funny to watch. It was honestly hilarious. I'm definitely going to do it once a month.

Yeah, Sam had the best day of her whole entire life. It made me appreciate things so much. Like, I just appreciated life that day. Yeah, it was really, it was cool to watch them, like, be so happy before I got a little bit sick of it. But, and we almost went out. Thank God we fucking didn't because there is something. I crashed, like, a few hours after that. There is something about being home early, doing nothing in your bed.

There's really something about it. My social battery was at like negative five. It needed to recharge so bad. So it felt so good to be home. The next day, the most exciting thing that happened was we met Lauren and Michael from the Skinny Confidential, which was so good.

Which was so fun. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. So sweet. She was so nice talking to us. Like, both of them, like, were so nice. And I like them so much and, like, look up to them so much that before we got there, I literally told Sam, I was like, if they're, like, rude and not nice, it's going to, like, really upset me. Because, like, you know, when you like someone online, like, you just hope they're nice in real life or else that kind of ruins everything. And they were very nice. Yeah. Yeah.

And I am not very big on listening to podcasts by any means. Like, I tried to get into the Skinny Confidential. Some episodes when there's, like, a really interesting topic, I will listen, but I can't listen to the whole thing. But, no, it was nice. I got a lot of motivation from it when it was the live podcast. It was more of, like...

how they became successful and like advice they can give like us for success with like our podcasts and stuff so it was just motivating yeah the biggest thing he said that stuck out to me was that you could literally double your lifetime like you could live your lifetime again and you would still be so young and i'm like i could literally live this entire lifetime i've already lived double my life i'm only 42 like the people like i watch summer house like

the people on summer house are 40 yeah like and they're young like they're not all and like you i could live my entire life again and still be 42 he was like you guys have so much time i was like holy shit like when you put it that way i guess i am really fucking young like it really just kind of like calmed me so much i was like yeah you're so right like what the fuck i haven't made a tiktok about it

on friday because the audio was like i have i'm 22 and i have no idea what i'm doing with the rest of my life and that's okay and i literally put like my brain isn't even fully formed yet your brain fully forms at 25 like literally my brain isn't fully formed why am i so stressed yeah like i'm still a child so yeah just remember you're young as fuck and it's okay yeah even like

another example is like christian guzman like he literally just turns 30 and like i'm 24 and like his success like i have another five years in my life six years in my life to get to hit well obviously i don't expect myself to get to his success but like more of a success than i am at already yeah right now like you know it's just like age is just a number and like you have so much time to live yeah to be where you want to yeah and with their podcast like i looked at sam when they said how they've been doing this standing confidential for seven years i'm like really

we haven't even hit two fucking years and like two in June and we were like wow like we would love to do an event at South by next year like that'd be crazy if we can partner with a brand and do an event exactly how they did like do something cool and it's like wow but like this is seven years in like so it's just crazy when you put it into perspective like seven years ago where was I middle school like like there's just so much time

So it was nice to hear them speak and it was nice to speak to her and have them just be like such nice, nice people. Agreed. So before we even like get into like the topics of this week, are you good on like the whole week catch up? I don't think I have anything else to say. Cool. So I kind of wanted to touch base on two things before that because there was this like TikTok that absolutely blew up on the fitness side of

things on TikTok and it was just addressing how like so many women in the fitness industry are like using steroids and such, whatever. And they're not open about it. But before we get into that, I want to like talk about like the all or nothing mentality that has really been going on too on the fitness side of things. And like,

I just... So, the reason I bring this up is because, obviously, the TikTok that was made about us, that we talked about last week, then I went back to it because I was like, you know what? I want to see, like, who's commenting. Yeah, you're so brave. I know. Well, I don't... The thing is, like, those... Like, it's stupid. Like, I'm actually laughing at the fact that these people actually have this mindset. So, there's these...

A content creator. Well, two. They have one count together. And she comments, awesome to have balance, but don't promote balance by getting drunk two times out of the week. Might as well not even work out at that point. Like, two times out of the week to drink, and I might as well never work out ever again? Like, what's the point in it? Yeah, that's honestly, like...

so incredibly toxic and the fact that a lot of the creators that that so many it has so many likes in all of this to say that because you do a few things not healthy because it doesn't have to be alcohol right let's say you like no matter what it is let's say you eat out of restaurant twice that means you shouldn't even work out like it's

Like to say... You duel twice. People duel fucking every day. Because to say, well, you do this, so you might as well give up on everything is the most harmful piece of fitness advice I could ever imagine. Every piece of fitness advice you've heard us say a million times, it's always what small things can you add to your life to make it better? Not you literally, if you do one or two things wrong...

a few times a month or once a week, you might as well give up on everything. That is a whole load of shit. Like a lot of women fitness influencers, and keep in mind, I have been there. Like I have been that individual that has had this mindset and I'm so happy I'm out of it. But it's, I got to that point because of the content creators I followed that also pushed this mindset. And it's that,

You got to go to the gym. You got to be doing everything and like all or nothing mentality to look a certain way. And that's how you're going to be your happiness, happiest. And it's like, that's not how you're going to be your happiest. Like I'm at my happiest because I go to the gym for fun. I don't track food anymore. I'm not focused on food 24 seven. And I now have a bigger social life. I have friends, I have family that I'm like constantly talking to. And it's like when I was the all or nothing in the gym, it was the complete opposite of that. Yeah. And to think that

so many people struggle. I'd say one of the biggest struggles of people getting started is

I'm going to work out six days a week and not drink. Oh, fuck. I went to a party. I give up. Or I went to a party. I need to go to the gym an extra hour. Yeah. And so many people like do that one thing off and just give up because you fail. They're going to like, let's say they've on a workout journey. There's a party. I'm not drinking on Saturday. I'm not drinking. So they drink and then it all goes to shit the next day. They're like, fuck it. I'm just not going to go. I'm going to eat. Doesn't matter. I failed. Fuck it. Scratching it. And to keep promoting that narrative is,

So fucked. And that's why a lot of, like... Like, I hate to say this. I really, really do hate to say this. But, like, that's why a lot of content creators that we meet in person, like, have this constant binge-restrict lifestyle that is constantly going on behind the scenes that you do not see. And it's, like, it's sad to see. But it's also, like, you... These...

Content creators need to take accountability for what they're pushing out there because it's not a healthy lifestyle whatsoever to live. Like, yeah, there's a difference between like bikini prep. Yes. Like sure. There are going to be sacrifices that these individuals have to make for that. But you also have to remember like someone myself, I'm not,

Bikini prep. Like I'm lifestyle. Or I can go to the gym and drink on the weekends. What's wrong with that? Or I'm not even, I'm not against little like challenges either. I know some people really like hate 75 hard, but I think some people do 75 hard in a totally healthy way. Like for some people, it causes no issues for them. They're simply putting themselves out there

Trying to discipline themselves and they come out of it totally fine and like there's nothing wrong with discipline if you're like hey this month like we did dry January I made it to the 27th okay sue me but like doing a 30 day challenge like being on it for a certain time and being like you know right now I'm doing it like I'm in my grind I'm doing it I'm taking this little time.

to, to be my best. I'm giving up this. I'm giving up that like little eras in your life where you're like doing certain things. Cool. But like, we are always talking in grand, big, big picture of your entire life. And how are we going to live for our entire life? I can live the way I am now for my entire life. Oh, a hundred percent. This, this is,

more than sustainable and eventually guys like eventually yeah i probably will drink less because i'll be a wife and have kids and like not be going to latchkey every saturday like let's be for real but i'm 22 years old like imagine telling a 20 year like a young 20 year old that they can't go out on the weekends and drink and go to the gym at the same time like you might as well not work out you might as well not work out like what your workouts are

Just as good. Hate to hype myself up. I'm literally fucking jacked. Oh my God, the way I looked in the gym today. Fuck, I look literally so good. And like, I'll gas myself up. My physique is genuinely the best it's ever been because I have no fucking stress. Like I, my body feels so good. My digestion is perfect.

My energy is pretty good, actually. I drink a lot of caffeine, but not even because I need it, just because I like it. You don't drink that much caffeine. No, yeah, not compared to a lot. To us, it's a lot. But I'm saying I mostly drink a lot of coffees or Celsius because I think they taste good. That's kind of why I drink a lot of caffeinated drinks, because I like the way they taste. But my natural energy is up. My workouts are great. My strength is great. My physique is great. And it's genuinely because I barely give a shit about anything. And when I was so...

All or nothing. I was bloated. I was tired. I was irritable. I was angry. I was depressed. Like I'm literally not depressed anymore. I'm not anxious. I can't remember the last time that I felt like...

insecure about like my body image. Like I just feel great. Yeah. And going like off of this, I want to like kind of touch base before we get into like toxic things, because obviously we just kind of rambled about toxic things for a little bit, but I want to talk about like how to spot diet culture because I,

You may be, like, in diet culture or you may see a content creator promoting diet culture without even really noticing it. So we kind of want this to be, like, a wake-up call for anyone out there listening to this podcast. So I have, like, a list and we can kind of just, like, ramble off of, like, these little things. But, like, number one is going to be those sneaky words for dieting, such as clean eating, detox, reset, wellness, or, like, wellness protocols. And, like...

Yes, you can kind of like name the way you're eating or like name the type of diet that you're consuming. But also I cannot stand like full days of eatings like by content creators that are like, like what's the one that's so trendy right now that girls will say for like full days of eatings? Like gut healthy or gut fucking, do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, like resetting my gut. Yeah, like resetting my gut, like gut friendly meals or gut friendly this, gut friendly that. It's like-

You're dieting. Why do we need to put a label on everything we do? So that is just one to keep in mind. Number two is your food tracking and tracking calories or macros at any way to be in control. Like if you are tracking your food to be in control, like,

That is something that you need to kind of like step back and look on because this is where you are taking diet culture and you want to, we want you like throughout this conversation to transition into intuitive eating. So if any of these things like trigger you and this is what you're doing, but you're trying to intuitive eat, you're not intuitive eating. Like now that we're intuitive eating, like we're,

We are not counting calories or tracking for the control aspect of it. Right. And we used to count macros and calories in the beginning. For me, it was control. And then it was to heal my relationship with food because both of us use it as a way to get educated. And we actually learned a lot about food that healed our relationship. Little things like we thought rice cakes were...

We're way healthier for weight loss than bread. And then we realized some of the rice cakes we had and bread we had were the same calories. So little things that made us realize, oh, why have we been scared of bread but eating rice cakes when they're the same? Why do we eat this food instead of that food when they have the same macros? Or, oh, I thought this was so fattening, but it's actually this amount of calories. It was very educational for us to see that we weren't eating enough, that we needed to eat more to fuel ourselves, to fuel our bodies, to learn how to eat balanced meals.

And using tracking that way really, really helped. We are not anti-tracking. No, not at all. We are not. Everyone needs to track for at least like a year or two in their life just to understand portion sizes and everything. Yeah, we are not anti-tracking by any means, but there is a clear difference between tracking in a good way and tracking in a bad way. Yeah, tracking to learn and tracking to restrict, be in control. Yes. And little things. If you cannot go once a week without tracking your food...

And I mean, actually, you might not put it in my fitness pal, but you're reading the label mentally adding up numbers. I mean, if you can truly not go one day a week without tracking your food, that's probably where you're teetering on the edge of a problem. Yeah. Because...

there's no reason why you need to be that strict if you're not on competition prep. There's no reason or having a very, very, very serious weight loss journey. That's like very, very serious. Like doctor ordered kind of

intense diet you're doing the average girl listening to this um which we're going to be talking just making clear we're talking to our average listener which is literally 18 to 24 year old girls genuinely healthy that's our audience so you girls there's no reason why you need to track seven days a week 24 7 literally none yeah no no reason at all because at the end of the day if you know what you're eating from when you're tracking you're

you'll probably do fine if you just eat a day. And if you don't, like literally eat out at restaurants for an entire day, like three days in a row and layer something, do it. Yeah. Just do it. Go full send. Just do it. And then wake up and realize that you're okay.

that's like one of the biggest things that like kind of took me to like do too. Like that, it really does help. Um, but number three is going to be your movement. So a focus on exercise as a way of burning calories versus actually going to the gym because it's fun. You enjoy, you're improving overall and you're being competitive with yourself. But if you were going to the gym solely for like the calorie burns, the amount of exercise you're getting for the week, your amount of steps, like,

Those two differentiate so much. That's a big word that I just said. Differentiate. Wow.

So like those two differences in your type of workout or like two things to keep in mind. Like I go to the gym, do workout classes because they're fun. Like I'm enjoying them. If I like two years ago when I was like super into like the calories burned and my watch and all that was going to like a workout class and saw that maybe I burned like 600 calories from that workout class. Oh, I would have been hyped, but I don't even wear like my watch half the times I'm at the gym anymore.

Yeah, I go to the gym solely. It's a competition with myself. It's being better than I was the day before and has nothing to do with calories burn. Like on an arm day, I probably burn like 100 calories. I don't burn a lot of calories just like doing like an arm workout. And I used to be so focused on that and it would feel good to see those high numbers or

You didn't burn that much. So you walk on the treadmill and you walk until it burns a certain calorie instead of just like doing what makes you feel good and like trusting yourself. And there's so many other reasons to be in the gym. And like the biggest way I got out of that was like literally don't wear the watch and just train for strength. Or if you don't like to strength train, just get rid of the watch. But like learning how to work out for strength over calories was huge for

Huge. Because one, it's going to do the best for your physique anyways. What the calories are on your watch doesn't really matter, especially when it's only varying like 50 to 100 calories. It's literally not doing anything.

making better strength things for yourself will do so much more. Yeah. I really need to pee, but I'm going to say this one and then you can go on a tangent. Okay. Okay. Um, number four, and this is one of my favorites is food rules, restricting your eating, your hours, the amount of food you're eating or the types of food you're eating. Okay. Okay. Let me, uh,

Let me get ready for this one while Sam takes a piss. So as you guys know, right now I'm like pescatarian and I don't eat dairy. That is ethical and environmental reasons. It is not for anything related to diet. Um...

I'll eat any type of food as long as it's not those because those are just personal choices of mine. Anyways, if you are doing gluten-free, ask yourself why. Be honest with your reasoning about that intermittent fasting. Why? Like there is no reason to put such huge labels on your diet diet.

for no reason, especially when they're so out of pocket and stupid like food combining. Stupid. What else? Keto. Stupid. Buzzwords for weight loss diets are really the main culprit here. If it's like something that's going to make you lose weight and that's why you're doing it, you need to just be in a calorie deficit. And if you're doing a diet to gain weight, you just need to be in a calorie surplus.

We've done podcasts on that. That's all it comes down to is calories in, calories out. And overall, just eat a whole food diet. Being so strict about foods you can or cannot eat is truly just making your life miserable. And I get it if you want to follow a certain way of living in your house and the way you eat most of the time. Some people really like Mediterranean diets. Some people like to eat more.

So paleo, like you like to focus your diet on certain things when you're at home and that that makes total sense. And that's that's fine. But if it gets to the point where you're like, oh, no, I can't go out to dinner. I'm paleo.

Like, really, bitch. For real. You can find a restaurant that will, like... No, but, like, not even. Like, if you're not eating a certain way for, like... If it's not an allergy... Yeah. Or something, like... Like, I don't eat meat. Like, that is, like, an environment... Or, like, some people have, like, religious reasons they don't eat meat. Cultural reasons they don't eat X, Y, Z. Yeah, you have to find accommodating restaurants. But, like, if you just, like, picked... Like, some people eat, like, Mediterranean diet...

You eat that during the day. You eat that when you make your breakfast, lunch, dinner at home. You can go out for a donut. Like, you'll be okay. Like, there's no reason why you have to go out of your way to, like, make such dire rules. Or be like, oh, you want to go to dinner at 730? I can't. I intermittent fast. Like, shut the fuck up. Like, respectfully, shut the fuck up. I don't know if you touched on this because obviously I was just in the bathroom. But, like, also, like, the good versus bad foods. Like, labeling things as good or bad. I didn't talk about that.

Okay, yeah, like, that's also another really big thing with food. And I used to do this all the time. Like, I thought carbs were the scariest thing. The biggest thing for me when I was, like, really, like, down bad, like, in my, like, restricted diet,

era of my life was mac and cheese mac and cheese I could literally not even look at it mine was cereal worst thing ever like I was terrified of it my mom always made it we always had like buffalo chicken mac and cheese like everywhere I went there was mac and cheese and I was so scared of it yeah and like I was convinced it was a bad food if I had it like I was gonna gain like five pounds from just eating a bowl of mac and cheese yeah especially when not even realizing that something like mac and cheese like

obviously like box processed crap is box processed crap but eat it if you want to eat it like without even thinking like there's so many ways you can make mac and cheese at home be a totally balanced meal like you can literally grab like bonza pasta like make your own cheese sauce and have like a

totally nutritious, balanceable mac and cheese. Like, no one label of food is a good or bad thing. You can just, like, easily find ways to make literally everything fit. And also knowing that, like, good food – like, if people say, like, broccoli is good for you, if you ate only broccoli, that'd be a horrible diet. Yeah. Like, that's not good for you. That's awful. Yeah. Like – or just, like, little things. Like, nothing –

good like if you ate just a salad for every meal of like lettuce and dressing somebody's like oh that's good for you that's awful for you that would be a horrible diet you can't just because there's no way to label anything yeah i know i agree also some foods are good for your mental health and that is equally valid facts that is equal or and good for like

Like, I don't know. There's so many other reasons to eat food besides, like, gaining weight or losing weight. Yeah. There's so many reasons that make things good. Like, one thing about me, when I go on, like, trips or vacation or somewhere new, like, I love trying new things. Yeah, like. Like, I love it. Like, it's, like, an event for me. Like, I don't know how to explain it, but, like. Yeah. I find joy. When we were in Cabo, like, sitting down at restaurants, like, trying new, like,

plates of food or like a dish that I've never tried before. Like that's fun. Right. Especially when you get to the point of food freedom where you don't need to stuff your face with any food that you get because you're just vibing. Like you can eat what you want to eat. Don't eat what you want to eat. And like, it's not so scary because you can just try things, eat things and move on. When before it was like,

wait, no, but like if I try that pizza, I'm going to eat the whole thing in one sitting because I can control myself. And it's like now we can just like have a bite and move on. So we also did like a little TikTok on the podcast Instagram or the podcast TikTok. And we wrote a list of things that we thought were really, really toxic, bad,

Back in the day of, like, things that we did. We kind of touched on, like, some of them. But I'm gonna, like, briefly go into them so that way we can now transition into, like... What we do now. Yeah. How we got out of those stages and, like, what we do now to, like, transition into now almost, what, like, nine months of intuitive eating. Yeah. So...

Yeah, let's get into it. If you want to hear like more of us like describing these things, watch the TikTok, but I'm literally going to list them off from like one to eight. Bringing a food scale on trips. Number two, not counting a workout if I didn't have my watch start. Number three,

Thinking about food literally 24-7. Number four, bringing condiments to restaurant. Number five, tracking my vegetables. Number six, refusing to drink anything but water. Number seven, chewing gum or low calorie, like zero calorie candies. Number eight, body checking in every single mirror we pass. And those are just some of the many things that we did down when we were, you know,

not in the best mindset, body and food wise. And we obviously want to help you guys if anyone is struggling out there to get out of that mindset, because it seems like with the traction that we were getting on that video, a lot of you guys were wondering, like, how the hell do I get out of this mindset? And like,

It's honestly easier said than done. Now you're going to think to... When we address how to get out of it, it's like, yeah, you can say those things, but how do I actually do it? It's one of those things where it's like, you really just got to do it. You really just need to do it. Do you want to take it off? Yeah. Exactly what you said. You need to do it and throw yourself into it. I want to make it clear, this is not one day to the next. I was deep down bad in this in 2019. Yeah.

And I got out of it in 2022. And I am perfectly out of it. Like I'm talking so perfect with my relationship with food right now in 2023. So this is like three to four year process. I'm not saying one day to the next you're going to be

cured. And you'll do each habit one by one. Obviously learning curve to you start to realize why what you're doing is now better than what you used to do. Yes. If that makes sense. Yeah. So some of them are easy things you can stop right now. It doesn't mean your mind won't stop thinking about it, but you can stop it. Bringing a food scale on a trip. Don't pack it. Yeah. Like get rid of the food scale. Boom. Take the batteries out of it. Like the batteries away. Yeah. If you have that toxic relationship with your scale, um,

toss it, give it to a friend. Done. Gone.

If you have a toxic relationship with your Apple Watch, stop wearing it. Give it to your friend so that you can't even put it back on. Give it to someone. Lock it up. Things like that you could literally do one day to the next because you just get rid of the thing and you can't use it. And your mind will probably think about it, but give it one or two days and I promise you'll be okay. Yeah. And then the other things, for me, the thinking about food was a huge one. And that really took a whole lot of inner self work into

of letting go and trusting my body to eat when I wanted to. And knowing that like I would make a plate of food and still be hungry because I was eating such low calorie meals and finally allowing my body to get to the point of like eat what is going to be enough food to fill you up because when you actually eat meals, you're

that are satisfying to you and your body isn't going crazy constantly hungry it was crazy to me that i didn't need to think about food all the time i could not fathom a world where the only thing i would think about was food i was thinking about what i was going to eat if it was healthy if it wasn't healthy if my breakfast was healthy was it too much was it too little i would go crazy about food all day long i would literally wake up and think about like but what am i gonna eat for dinner and like i was insane like i was literally crazy and all it took was

Like really, really diving into trusting myself and eating until I was full and like letting myself really do that. Yeah. Now for myself, it was coming from a place of like, I was counting my calories, but I didn't really know anything about it. Like I,

I was coming from a place where protein, what the fuck is that? So I needed to learn what a protein was, what a carb was, what a fat was, and how to use those things to my advantage. Because at the time I was eating like 1200 calories, just calories. Like, I don't know where those calories were coming from. It could have been all carbs and fats and

And no protein. And so once I started to like really educate myself and follow like content creators and just learn a little bit more, that's when I started to incorporate more protein. Cause I was like, oh shit, like I need to be eating protein. Like I want to build muscle. Like I was a string bean at the time, but like eating more protein really helped me realize that like, wow, I'm satisfied. I'm full for a few hours. Like that little meal that I had, like I literally used to make like a bag of the cauliflower gnocchi.

Like half a bag of it with just veggies and no protein. And it's like, okay, well then I start to transition into like

Adding more protein into my meals, being more satisfied throughout the day. And it really helped me become like more on like a schedule with eating. Like rather than being like, oh my God, I just ate. I'm hungry again. But I have to wait until lunch at like 1 p.m. So learning more about the food rather than it just being a calorie number is super important. Yeah, I 100% agree with that. That's a really good point. Like I was eating...

um 1200 calories that's what i had in my little app on my phone and my lunch at school was like

like it was carbs and barely if that, like it was like no food. And I would go through the whole day at school thinking about what I was going to eat when I get home. And I was like, if you just brought a fucking well-balanced lunch that would actually keep you full, you would have spent the whole day thinking about dinner. Like, and it also, that wasn't one day to the next because it kind of took my body. Like when you're in that like severe, always hungry phase, your body kind of feels like that for a long time. Like it took me a while to get out of that like,

my body actually trusts that I'm gonna eat and I'm not starving like I feel like my body was constantly like bitch we're starving and like we're gonna shut down like eat so it took a while of me actually consistently eating enough I feel like for my body to trust me and be like alright we'll calm down now like you don't need to be like searching for food we're good but that was a huge one for me as well as

body checking in every mirror, which was discipline at its finest. Guys, every single time, like literally trigger warning, every single time I went to the bathroom, I looked at my stomach in the mirror. Every single time. I don't care where I was without fail. Every single time I would do it. And I knew it was a problem. It was happening and I knew it was an issue and it would make me so upset and

And the amount of discipline that it took to simply every single time actively think and stop. And that's just habit reinforcing. Like, that was just, like, I had to actively discipline myself every single day to stop. Yeah. I didn't really, like, I had that issue, but not, like, as severe. Yeah, no, mine was, like, really not okay. Like, I would. Like, I'd be like, oh, my God, are my abs still there? But, like, I didn't really have abs. It was more just, like, am I bloated? But, um...

Yeah. So what's like kind of another one I want to touch on? I had it in my head, but now I forget. Now I'm looking at the list to remind myself. Oh, a big thing for me, like we said, was like the chewing gum or like over like zero calorie, like things just like suppress my appetite or like vaping a black coffee. Vaping also suppresses your appetite. What was it? Vaping. Yeah. Vaping. Like anything that was like trying to suppress my appetite. Listen up right now.

If you are suppressing your appetite already, you're not in a good place where you probably shouldn't be suppressing your appetite. You're probably suppressing your appetite because you just don't want to eat because you feel like you're eating too much. But realistically, you're not eating enough. Like once you start to like, like I, it really sucks because a lot of these things is just like, I want to say it like.

I want to, like, shake you to your core and just be like, wake up, come on, just, like, eat food. But, like, I do understand it's, like, really fucking hard. Yeah. But if I were to look back on myself, like, two to three years ago. I wish someone did that to me. I wish I could just fucking shake myself. No, I get it because we got a comment. Someone commented, like, I love you, but, like, the way you just said, like, just eat, like, it's so insensitive. And I get where that's coming from because I know this is very serious. But also a lot of people do have different, like –

there's different sensitivity like a lot of people are more sensitive certain things like i'm not like i'm not a sensitive person but also there's levels and severity to this there's a difference between like severe eating disorder where you are like in the hospital like that level of severity versus like the slippery slope of toxic patterns and someone might be able to stop before you get to that severe point and i feel like we're kind of speaking to the people that are

on the edge or like probably don't even realize that don't even realize that don't even realize wow this was a wake-up call for me because i had no idea and i get like some of you might sound insensitive but the truth is the things i would have done for someone to do that to me because no one did that to me made the comments of you're so healthy while you're eating a salad that's so healthy while you're going to the gym for a second you're so healthy so healthy while your lunch is literally only vegetables you're so healthy and in my head i wanted to be like

I'm not okay. Yeah. But like, I didn't tell anyone, but like people were just praising me for it. And I wish someone was like, girl, what the fuck? You're not okay. And they did it. And it's not their fault because a lot of people didn't know. Like my family didn't know. My boyfriend at the time didn't know, but I wish someone did. And like a lot of my friends were equally as fucked up as me. So it was like the blind leading the blind. Like, and like, trust us too. Like we have like a huge sensitive spot for people that are like,

In this mindset of life because we've been there But like what I will say right now is if you are someone that suppresses your appetite because of a vape Because of gum because of like a zero calorie Snack or like gummy thing like tic tacs or something like I want to challenge you This week if you notice you're going to grab for one of those things because you want to suppress your appetite Instead of doing that grab a snack and it doesn't have to be a big snack. It can be something as small as like a

string cheese or grapes like it doesn't have to be this big scary bowl of food like it just needs to be something small like I would rather you grab like a handful of grapes than to grab your vape literally to grab a pack of gum instead of like a little thing of yogurt like there are just so many easy like

Transitional things that you could do and I want to challenge you guys to do that this week Like literally do it and another thing also too with like fear foods that I um always used to do with my clients Was write these fear foods right now like stop this podcast episode right now if you have Thought in your head during this episode like oh my god I have like so many fear foods write them down on your phone and each week attempt to like check off one each week So like if you have like hamburgers pizza mac and cheese cereal

All on that list. Like go out to eat one day or even like you can make it at home and order that thing. So that way you are like,

slowly accomplishing like i'm not saying you have to like meal prep it for the week like yeah make burgers for the week but just like once during the week like go get something like that yeah there's a lot of tiktok accounts um of girls that do that and document it um so highly recommend looking it up follow some of those girls i've seen a few of them um you can even start doing it yourself because there's there's a lot of accountability that comes with filming something and putting it on the internet like um

So that could be like a good motivator to like, even if you don't even have followers, like start a series, post it, film it, post it. Like that accountability of getting something out there and you never know who you could help, but also following girls that are doing that could be huge for your mindset. Literally search eating fear foods. There's girls that are doing like eating a new fear food every day for the year. Like eating, like there's girls that really do this as a series and like work through it. And like you could, I would highly recommend following them. What I was going to say about suppressing hunger is,

Would you ever suppress like any other cue from your body? Like if you were thirsty, you'd never be like, I'm going to try to not drink water or like I have to pee. Like I'm going to try to not pee. The only time you should ever be doing that is like you're on a long road trip in the car and there's no way you can be getting like food in the bathroom. OK, then, you know, we're surviving. Other than those scenarios, why would you ever be like, I have to pee, but I'm not going to pee?

I'm gonna try to like suppress my urge to pee no you would pee because you trust your body tells you to pee it's a pee you're thirsty you drink water but for some reason your body tells you you're hungry and you don't want to eat like you know it's the same exact thing as any other like you're tired you go to bed like you follow your body for everything else that it tells you but for some reason you don't trust that if it's hungry that you're actually hungry and although like

Like, the accounts are like, if you're hungry, you're probably just thirsty. You're probably just bored. No, you're probably hungry. Yeah. You're probably hungry. And it's very common for young girls to be hungry because your metabolism is so fucking fast. Yeah, you need to eat so much. And you guys, like, play sports and you're in the gym. Like, you need to eat. And, like, yeah, maybe you're in college and, like...

oh, you're drinking and you don't want to eat. You probably walk 20,000 steps to class. When I was on my college campus, I was walking like crazy. I lived on a fourth floor walk up. My Apple watch at the end of the day was through the roof. Like you need to eat. It's not a little task. Like, and even if you are in college, like drinking, partying, bro, we would walk to the bars. We'd walk home from the bars. We'd walk. We were crazy.

I think I might have still been in a deficit because I wasn't eating even though I was drinking so much because we were on the move. But yeah, if that whole, who was it? It was a blog, a lot of these video. And she made a video saying like the banana test. If you're hungry, ask yourself, would I eat a banana right now? And if you say no, that means you're not really hungry. You're just bored.

No, that just means you don't want a banana. Like, what? I'm like, that is...

so dumb like I used to think that way I was like I could just be bored no I totally know now the difference between being hungry and being bored because sometimes I want a bored snack like sometimes I'm like I'm bored we could go get food you know what I mean like and now yeah but now but now I know the difference and I used to people would always say that if you're hungry you're probably thirsty no don't talk to me like I'm dumb I'm hungry like you're not a baby you know you

You know if you're hungry or if you're thirsty. I just think that stuff is so stupid. I know. Like, no one's like, if you have to pee, like, you might just be thirsty. No, you have to pee. Like, it's dumb. Yeah. And so I guess we can kind of just jump right into, like, the transition between the two because...

Obviously, it's not a quick jump, but this conversation, it's going to be a quick jump. Yeah, we only have an hour. But disclaimer, like, it's going to take a few years for you to, you know, get to the point where you now are sitting down with yourself and you're like, fuck it. Like, I don't want to track my food anymore. And for my girlies that are maybe at that mindset of like, I've been tracking for a few years. Like, I have the physique I want. Like, I don't really care to be tracking anymore. Like, it's getting boring. Like, it's too much. Like, it takes up too much time.

I feel you because that was us this past summer. We went into summer being like, we want to enjoy summer. We do not want to have to be focusing on food, tracking all our food. Like we're gonna have a lot of boat days. We're gonna have a lot of lake days, like travel, travel. Like you're telling me I have to like sit down and track my lunch before I like pack it up for like going onto the lake. Like, no. So we are now since June or July have not been tracking and we've learned quite a bit of intuitive eating, um,

Since then. And what is intuitive eating? You ask that is literally just kind of honoring your hunger cues, not really thinking about food. Um, you know, eating what you're craving type mindset and just literally not tracking it at all. Um, so now at the beginning, when I like at least started, I didn't,

I, for the first few months, was tracking just protein and I was very open about that. Like on like my pages, I was like, I'm just tracking protein. Like I want to make sure I'm eating enough protein because I jumped from like tracking my food

To not tracking and then for like the first like few weeks I was still so hungry like at the end of the night and I was like what the fuck like why am I still so hungry so then I started tracking my food again in terms of my protein and I was like oh shit like I'm literally only getting like 100 grams of protein like let's track my protein and that will be it so like if that's something that you need to do to kind of jump into it um

do it, it helps you kind of like ease out of it. Taylor, on the other hand, just, I think you, right, just went right into intuitive eating. Yeah. I just couldn't be bothered. But that's the thing. It's like, it's your journey and it's going to take you a little bit. Like it doesn't need to be perfect right off the bat. Like you're going to take a little bit of time to figure out

what works for you and that's totally fine. For me, it just worked. I was like, whatever. I don't care. Neutrite protein, nitrite protein is what it is. Yeah. So, you know, now I would say at the very beginning, like I was very much like,

Needing to stay on my schedule of the way I was eating. Like, I was, like, still eating the same types of food that I was eating when I was tracking at the same hours of the same day. And realistically, like, that's not intuitive eating. Like, I'm just, like, still eating, like, same hour, same types of food, but just not tracking it. Yeah. Like, that's not really intuitive eating. Like, intuitive eating is, like, you're literally, like, listening to your hunger cues, like...

Like if I was tracking, like I would have had a snack because I'm tracking to hit my macros. But like, if I'm not hungry, I'm not going to force myself to have a snack.

So now where we are now compared to where we were when we first started doing like the whole intuitive eating is like now if I don't want a snack, I'm not going to have a snack. I'm not going to force myself to have a snack. I will just have like a bigger lunch that will hopefully help me, you know, be more satisfied and more full. Yeah. Or if you want two snacks, you have two snacks or maybe we were like sort of being like,

Oh, post-workout meal. Like, you need it at this time. Like, maybe I actually wait a long time and after my workout, I'm not hungry. I'm not hungry right after my workout. I'm actually going to shower and do my makeup and run an errand and then eat lunch. Like, you can do whatever you want. And I think what you said about how we kind of ate the food we ate while we were tracking after, I think there's something to be said for that for the fact that at that point, too, like –

It was also just easy to do that because we were actually eating foods we liked when we were tracking. Yeah. So there wasn't much of a need to be like, now I'm intuitive eating. I'm like not going to eat this lunch anymore. I liked, I liked the, yeah, I liked the lunch I was eating just because I wasn't tracking didn't mean I was going to switch the food. I enjoyed that lunch. So, and I think that's just a testament to when we were tracking, we were actually tracking in a healthy way because it wasn't like there was a food I,

was trying not to eat the foods i was eating was just foods i liked i didn't know if that like came out that way no it did like i just felt i just was like yeah i mean like i wasn't eating dinner i like so i had no reason to change it um but it also for me was just like those little things of like do i want like something really carb heavy or like the other day i was eating like

What was I eating? Oh, I was making like tuna salad and I ran out of bread. So I ate it in lettuce wraps. Okay, that's like low carb. And maybe if I was tracking, I wouldn't have hit my carbs for the day. But whatever, that just sounds good. Like who cares? Like who cares if there wasn't enough carbs in that meal? Like it's fine. Like I didn't have bread because I didn't want to go to the grocery store. So I put it in lettuce wraps and we'll live. Just like little things like that where like who cares if you don't have like the fat or like –

And you're off 10 grams of protein when if you were to track it in your whole day, it doesn't matter. Like literally opening the fridge and being like, what sounds good right now? That is what I'm going to eat. And actually, no, I wouldn't even say that because you do have to grocery shop. And, you know, once you decide on meals for the week, you decide on meals. So I guess we kind of do the more intuitive part when we're grocery shopping because, you know, what we have in the fridge is like.

what we bought a week ago. So I feel like I'm grocery shopping and I'm just like, this sounds good. Yeah. Like I'll eat this. One thing for me that changed a lot though, with like tracking versus intuitive eating is like,

the like quality of the meals. Like back when I was tracking, a lot of my meals were quote unquote, like macro friendly. So they were very simple, but they were still really yummy. Like, don't get me wrong. If you go to my recipes from a year ago, like my recipes were fucking dang, like they were great. They were awesome. They were yummy. But now my recipes are more complex. Like there's more little things added in. There's more like diversity and like, just like everything that I'm eating, like

Because I don't want to track all those little small little things in my meals I don't care and that's why another thing like I love cooking I love being in the kitchen cooking making new recipes filming the recipes posing them for you guys but that's another reason why I no longer wanted to track because like I wanted to have more fun with my recipes like uh, i'm trying to look for an example, um an example is like chicken my chicken parm like cutlet things like

If I was tracking, I would have like in each bowl measured out the egg, measured out the breadcrumb, measured out the flour, and then like measured out the fucking chicken cutlet, like the raw chicken cutlet. And then like made my food. But now I just like when I make my bowls of things, like I pour the chicken cutlets and

or the chicken cutlets the fucking breadcrumb into a bowl I put an egg into a bowl flour into a bowl and like I don't track any of those things and it just like makes cooking way more fun um so like that's another thing too is like when you're not tracking you have more fun with it like

Um, another thing too is my oats. I put seeds on my oats now. So I do cause I'm seed cycling. Um, and I also really love like the seeds on my oats. Like the texture of it is just so good. But like if I was tracking, I probably wouldn't have done those things cause that would have just been like extra calories or whatever. Cause like pumpkin seeds are high in fat. Yeah. Just like add it into my bowl and I want to make sure I'm hitting my,

or carb or fat goals or whatever and so those are just like little things that have been added into my like meals that wouldn't have been because I wanted my meals to be more macro friendly yeah and for me it's like also little things of just like um convenience like of intuitive eating like today I ate again I'm talking about like tuna salad again I had tuna salad and crackers I didn't put the crackers in a bowl I ate them out the box and I just used them until the dip was gone

and put it away. And I didn't measure them out. I don't know how many I ate. Don't know how many carbs it was. I literally just ate them until the dip was gone, put the thing back in the cabinet. And before I would have like taken out a bowl, poured them out. And it's like, oh my God, then you're like dirtying a bowl. And like, so it's like, it's just like unnecessary. Like it's just not quite necessary. And all those little things, when they're just like fucking time consuming, like, and we have other things to be worried about, but it just feels so free to just eat whatever the hell you want.

when you want it and it's a great life to live.

Victoria Garrick or I don't know, Victoria Brown. She just got married. So I think her username is different. But she makes a lot of videos about this. And it's like she goes really in depth on it, on being like, okay, like what exactly do I want? Am I in the mood for this? Am I in the mood for this? And like really goes in depth on following her hunger cues, which like you might need that like in-depthness to like follow and get inspo from. But for us, it's really just as simple. Like it's hard to even talk about because it's just –

eating when you're hungry yeah and it's it's it's almost hard to talk so much about it because we're simply eating when we want to like more in tune with your body and like really eating what you're craving like it's just fucking hard like i ain't going to the grocery store four to five days out of the week i go to the grocery store once or twice and that's it that's what i'm saying about how like what do i want for the week that's what i was saying about how sometimes like in those videos of intuitive eating it's like open the fridge what do you really want okay listen sometimes i don't have what i really want

Because I don't have just a grocery store in my house. So sometimes we don't have exactly what I'm craving. But you still have to make it work. So it's a little bit... It's slightly unrealistic to be like... Try to be in tune with exactly what your body wants at all points in time. Because sometimes my body like really wants avocado toast. I don't have avocados. So can't have that. Scratch that. Like you gotta have something else. Like we just don't have it. So...

So definitely like planning out the week of like, this sounds good. I'm going to eat that. But also little things like maybe I plan out I'm going to do wraps for lunch. But one of the days I'm like, fuck it. I pancake makes I'm making pancakes. Like doing little things like that. Like, fuck it. That sounds better. I'm literally gonna make pancakes today because I can't be bothered. Or like sometimes we come home late and you're like, I'm having cream rice for dinner.

Like, just because, like, that honestly sounds better. Don't feel like cooking. Little things like that. But, yeah, obviously you got to work with what you got. So, I mean, if you want to be so in tune with your cravings that you're going to the grocery store every time you crave something, props. But not – I like it going once, but, like, in the middle of the week when I'm, like, oh, I have to go again. Yeah.

yeah um but it's a crazy life when you realize that you can literally just eat when you're hungry it's crazy yeah and another thing too that i also want to like keep in mind with the whole intuitive eating thing is like also too we have goals still like physique wise gym wise so like

when it comes to intuitive eating, you're not kind of like just giving up on any of those, like in terms of like what you're eating and what you're consuming. Like I'm still eating very high protein based like meals and snacks because like, I know that is going to help me down the road with like what my goals are. It's not like I'm like giving up on fucking eating protein all the time. And I'm just like eating like, yeah, whatever. I'm like literally like,

Like, I don't like. Well, no, because there's a difference between cravings, like fun cravings and what your body needs. When you're intuitive eating, mindful eating, your body needs nutritious food. You can't.

that is not ignored. Your body needs nutrition. The point isn't just to eat crap because a lot of people say, oh, I can't intuitive eat because I would just eat like crap all the time. Like I would eat pizza for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Like I would just, I couldn't intuitive eat because all my body's telling me I want ice cream and pizza. You think that, but that's because one, you're probably in that obsessed with food binge restrict phase. Like

Your body wants nutritious food. And again, you can make pizza at home and you could make nutritious pizza. We make pizzas all the time. Like you can easily be craving pizza and eat pizza every single day and make it at home and obviously make it nutritious and more cost effective and just make it at home.

um, I eat ice cream every single day. So yeah, you can create your body might want ice cream. I have ice cream literally every single day. And if I don't have it, I'm upset. Like, and so there's things that, yeah, you're going to crave it and you can eat it, but your body does want structure and balance and nutrition. Like eating not so great food doesn't feel great in your body. Yeah, exactly. So, and Oh, another thing too, that we get like asked a lot is like,

oh I'm trying to intuitively but like I still keep thinking in the back of my head like the numbers or the calories or whatever it's like just keep pushing like I promise you just keep pushing with an intuitive eating lifestyle and at some point you're gonna like realize I'm not really thinking about those numbers anymore so just like keep pushing with it keep doing it don't give up on intuitive eating and jump back into counting calories because you think it's not gonna work like it is going to work at some point down the road like you just need to keep doing it and if you

few months down the road like you are going to be so mindful or not like mindful but mindless of like the numbers and stuff that you are going to be intuitive eating so yeah it's it's a really freeing life to not worry about every single thing you're doing like to be able to go to a restaurant and eat the bread at the table to eat the chips and salsa to not worry about liquid calories but

Those things will make your life so incredibly more enjoyable that you won't even know what to do with yourself. Just looking back on the way I used to live versus now, I just truly don't know how I functioned living like that because I literally just promise you there is light at the end and you are capable of living a life where food doesn't control you. And for us, that really took...

years but right now it's just not tracking and taking that knowledge with you but not letting it like control you like the knowledge should be a tool not consuming your life yeah sorry it's all good

Sam, your recent YouTube video is going to get copyrighted. My recent YouTube video got copyrighted. At Boutine LA, I was just talking and there was music in the background. That music got copyrighted. I was like, bruh. Also, I just got asked on a date tonight. Should I go? With?

Oh, yeah. Did you want to hang out or go to South Congress and walk around and hit up different South by Southwest events? Yeah. Should I do that? TikTok boy messaged me and goes, hey, I was hoping the weather would change tomorrow because it doesn't look like it. Let's grab dinner, though. So I have dinner tonight and tomorrow. So I say Taylor goes on her dinner date, too. Yeah. I mean, like going to different South by events could be cool. Get free drinks. Oh, it's not dinner? No. He was like, do you want to go to South Congress and walk around and hit up random South by Southwest events? Yeah. I love South Congress. Yeah.

Look at us. Look at us. See? And look, I'm going to go maybe enjoy a free beverage, a free snack. I would have been freaking out about dinner in the middle of the week out of a restaurant. No, dates would actually know like to think about the fact that like someone like right now, like now I'm just like,

Oh my God. Yeah. They have free snacks and free drinks. I'd be like, Oh my God. I'd be like, Oh my God. Wait. So what am I going to eat for dinner? Because then I might be getting free snacks. It's like, no. So what I'm going to do now, perfect example. I'm going to eat my dinner as normal. And then if there's anything that I care to eat or drink, you can, you, you eat it or you drink it.

It's like a crazy concept. It really is. That I'm going to eat a normal ass dinner and then eat if I want to eat after that. It's fucking crazy. I know. So guys, if this podcast episode helped you at all, please let us know in the DMs. It makes me happy. Yeah. I like soul tingle. Honestly, blacked out and have like no idea what the fuck I said. No, this was a really good episode. I'm so happy. I think we've been talking. Hold on. Please hold like an hour and a half. I took that photo at three.

We've been having a lot of long episodes lately. An hour and 21 minutes. Yeah, no, we have. And these people out here with their 30-minute episodes, fuck out of here. Inconsistent. Fuck out of here. Inconsistent ones, too. Boo. Tomato, tomato, tomato. We're like the only fitness... Well, we're not really fully fitness, but we're like everything. But like fitness podcast-wise, that's like so on it. So on top of it. Yeah, like consistent. I kind of saw myself on the back. Yeah.

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