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The Mood Inside Syria

2024/12/10
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Ruth Sherlock:叙利亚边境逃亡潮,特别是什叶派穆斯林和阿勒维派少数民族的逃离,反映了首都逊尼派民兵(包括一些强硬派伊斯兰主义者)带来的恐惧。大马士革表面平静,但战争的痕迹依然存在,人们可以随意进入以前无法进入的政府机构。赛德纳监狱作为阿萨德政权暴行的象征,尽管叛军释放了囚犯,但仍有数千人在寻找失踪的亲人,他们的故事反映了阿萨德政权的残酷。 Greg Dixon:叙利亚在长达50多年的独裁统治后,正在适应新的现实,这种转变对许多人来说既是庆祝也是恐惧。

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Why are many Syrians fleeing the country after the fall of Bashar al-Assad's regime?

Many Syrians, particularly from the Alawite minority sect, are fleeing due to fears of retribution from Sunni Muslim militias now in control, some of whom are hardline Islamists. Reports of violence and unrest targeting minorities have heightened these fears.

What was the atmosphere like in Damascus after the regime fell?

Damascus was calm but tense, with visible signs of conflict, including plumes of smoke from buildings hit by Israeli bombardments and abandoned tanks on the roads. People were seen exploring security bases and palaces, places they couldn't access before.

What did NPR's Ruth Sherlock find at Sednaya prison, a symbol of Assad's brutality?

Sednaya prison, estimated to have held up to 20,000 people without trial, was partially emptied by rebels. However, thousands of people were still searching for missing relatives, hoping to find them alive in underground cells. The prison was surrounded by signs warning of mines.

How did Syrians react to the fall of the Assad regime?

There were celebrations across the country, but also widespread fear, especially among minorities. People were seen exploring previously restricted areas, such as security bases and palaces, reflecting both curiosity and relief at the end of a brutal dictatorship.

What challenges did NPR face in reporting from Syria?

Accessing Syria was costly and risky, requiring significant logistical support and overcoming security challenges. The team relied on listener donations to fund this kind of firsthand reporting.

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You're listening to State of the World from NPR, the day's most vital international stories up close where they're happening. It's Tuesday, December 10th. I'm Greg Dixon. Syrians are adjusting to a new reality. The country was ruled under a dictatorship for more than 50 years, a rule that became even more brutal after protests in 2011 turned into a deadly civil war.

Now, that dictatorship has rapidly disappeared. And for the first time in a generation, Syrians are seeing what life will be like without that shadow. NPR's Ruth Sherlock traveled from Lebanon to Syria's capital Damascus, talking to Syrians along the way.

She spoke to Ari Shapiro about what she heard. We've seen celebrations across the country at the fall of Bashar al-Assad's regime, but this is also a frightening time for many people. And when you were at the Syrian border with Lebanon today, entering Syria, you met people going the other direction, fleeing the country. Why?

That's right. The vast majority of people on that border were trying to leave. The roads were clogged. The people were walking alongside the cars, dragging children's suitcases behind them. We found dozens of families, you know, really young kids who'd slept in the dirt by the border last night. And this is because most of the people here fleeing are from the Ashir Muslims or from the Alawite minority sect. That's the same sect as the Assad family.

And the militias that control the capital now are Sunni Muslims, and that includes some hardline Islamists.

And we spoke to one man who was afraid to give his name. NPR producer Jawad Rasallah interpreted. All minorities are now afraid in Syria. Weapons are all over the streets, they're all over the country, in Damascus and everywhere else. Everyone we were speaking to had these horror stories. They said they'd heard of rebels shooting Shia patients in hospital beds or ransacking Alawite homes in Damascus.

I have to stress, you know, there's no proof that any of this is true. These were not first-hand accounts, but it goes to illustrate some of the fear that people are feeling. Well, after you spoke to those families, you went on to the capital, Damascus. Tell us about the journey.

Well, on the Syrian side, it was so strange. We went through passport control and customs without any checks at all. The border posts were burned out. There were abandoned tanks on the side of the road. There were just some rebels with Kalashnikovs waving us through. Now Damascus is calm, but there were these huge plumes of smoke rising from buildings that were hit by heavy bombardments by Israel, who's been targeting military positions of the former regime. So the air was thick with this kind of acrid dust and it catches in your throat repeatedly.

We saw people wandering around into security bases and palaces. And these are places they couldn't have stepped inside before. And now they're curious, trying to see the insides of this regime that ruled them for so long. You also visited one of the prisons that have become synonymous with the brutality of the Assad family rule. What did you see there?

That's right. We went to Sednaya prison. It's this huge complex behind these high walls outside of central Damascus. And walking up the road to the prison, there were these signs in the area around it saying it was mined. It's estimated that as many as 20,000 people disappeared into this place, sometimes without trial, and any dissent could get you jailed here. And one of the first things the rebels did was release the prisoners there. But

Even three days after that happened, there are still thousands of people there, searching, still hoping their relative could be alive, maybe in some underground cell yet to be found. And we spoke to one man who was looking through this handwritten ledger he'd found...

of prisoners for, he was looking for the name of his brother. And then we met another man, Aissa Hussaini, and he's been searching every prison, every security office in Damascus for his three cousins. He just broke down as he asked us with a last kind of moment of hope if we might have seen any more detainees in the wing of the prison we'd just come out of.

Then we met Ratib Zamirkani. He's an elderly man and he's walking away from the prison. He's holding a red rope in the shape of a noose that people believe was used to hang prisoners. His son disappeared 13 years ago. He doesn't even know why he was detained. He'd heard in these years that his son might be dead, but he never received a death certificate.

So he's been coming to search the prison every day since the regime fell. And he says he took the news to show the world the brutality of the Assad regime. That's NPR's Ruth Sherlock speaking with us from Damascus. Thank you. Thank you. That's the state of the world from NPR. Please just stay with me here for a few more seconds. You just heard firsthand reporting from a part of the globe that is experiencing a massive shift.

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