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Does Trump’s return threaten the future of Nato?

2024/12/16
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Katya Adler:特朗普的再次当选给北约带来了前所未有的不确定性,尤其是在俄罗斯入侵乌克兰的背景下。她探讨了特朗普对北约的负面评价以及他可能退出北约的可能性,并介绍了北约新秘书长马克·鲁特试图说服特朗普继续留在北约的努力。 Jonathan Beale:他详细分析了北约的结构、运作方式以及美国在北约中的关键作用,特别是美国提供的军事和核保护伞。他还讨论了乌克兰对北约成员国武器和弹药的依赖,以及乌克兰希望加入北约以获得安全保障的愿望。他解释了为什么北约不直接向乌克兰提供军事支持,以及普京将北约视为侵略性联盟的观点。他分析了欧洲国家对北约东扩的复杂态度,以及乌克兰加入北约的可能性。他还讨论了特朗普对北约的批评,以及如果特朗普减少对欧洲的军事支持,欧洲将难以独自应对安全威胁。他强调了美国在军事实力、武器装备和技术方面都远超欧洲,以及欧洲国家增加国防开支的必要性。 Donald Trump (转述): 特朗普认为北约是一笔糟糕的交易,除非成员国支付费用,否则他不会提供保护。他还曾表示,如果北约成员国不支付足够的费用,他将鼓励俄罗斯攻击这些国家。 Mark Rutte (转述): 鲁特不担心特朗普会背弃北约,因为他相信欧洲国家会增加国防开支。他通过赞扬特朗普,并强调美国利益来试图说服特朗普。 Vladimir Putin (转述): 普京认为北约是一个侵略性联盟,并声称北约的东扩威胁到了俄罗斯的安全。 Katya Adler: 特朗普的再次当选给北约带来了前所未有的不确定性,尤其是在俄罗斯入侵乌克兰的背景下。她探讨了特朗普对北约的负面评价以及他可能退出北约的可能性,并介绍了北约新秘书长马克·鲁特试图说服特朗普继续留在北约的努力。

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Why might Donald Trump's return to the White House be seen as a threat to NATO?

Trump has previously criticized NATO, calling it a 'bad deal' and suggesting he might not protect member states that don't meet defense spending targets. His rhetoric raises concerns about the future of the alliance, especially amid the ongoing war in Ukraine.

What role does the US play in NATO's funding and military capabilities?

The US contributes about 15% of NATO's budget and provides the majority of its military clout, including a nuclear umbrella and significant troop presence in Europe. Without the US, NATO would be significantly weakened.

How does Ukraine's current reliance on NATO affect its war effort against Russia?

Ukraine depends heavily on NATO member states, particularly the US, for weapons and ammunition. Without this support, its ability to sustain the war effort would be severely compromised.

What is NATO's stance on Ukraine's potential membership?

NATO has not yet accepted Ukraine as a member, partly due to concerns that it could provoke further aggression from Russia. However, Ukraine strongly advocates for membership, citing historical precedents like Germany's post-WWII inclusion.

How does NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte plan to persuade Donald Trump to remain committed to NATO?

Rutte aims to flatter Trump by crediting him with forcing European countries to increase defense spending. He also emphasizes the strategic importance of NATO for US interests, particularly in countering global threats like Russia and China.

What are the potential consequences if NATO fails to deter Russia in the future?

NATO leaders, including Rutte, warn that Russia could expand its aggression beyond Ukraine, potentially targeting NATO member states like Poland or launching long-range missile attacks. This underscores the need for increased defense spending and preparedness.

Could Europe defend itself without US support in NATO?

Europe lacks the military capabilities, nuclear umbrella, and financial resources to fully defend itself without the US. While some countries are increasing defense spending, it would take years to build the necessary infrastructure and capabilities.

What legal constraints might prevent Donald Trump from withdrawing the US from NATO?

US legislation passed last year requires congressional approval or a two-thirds Senate vote to withdraw from NATO, making it difficult for Trump to unilaterally pull out of the alliance.

Shownotes Transcript

Donald Trump's return to the White House is seen as a potential threat to European security. Some believe he could abandon the transatlantic military alliance Nato - but the organisation's new secretary general Mark Rutte seems convinced he will be persuaded to stay.

On this episode of The Global Story, Katya Adler speaks with the BBC's defence correspondent Jonathan Beale about what impact losing the alliance’s biggest financial backer would have on the war in Ukraine - and the reasons why the incoming US President might be convinced to remain in Nato.

Producers: Alice Aylett Roberts, Laurie Kalus and Eleanor Sly

Sound engineer: Philip Bull

Assistant editor: Sergi Forcada Freixas

Senior news editor: Sara Wadeson