2 Bears 5K Champ Cameron Hanes | 2 Bears, 1 Cave
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All right. We are back. We're in the Los Angeles studio. Joining us today is somebody who is built like us, thinks like us, works like us. Doppelganger. He's a total doppelganger. We're trying to get him more motivated, and that's what today's all about, just getting this guy on the right track. We have the same interests, not the same activities. Give it up for Cam Haynes, everybody. Let him hear it. Not all at once now. Thank you.

You got to be fucked up today. I know you're sore. Oh, yeah. It was a test. It was a test. But when you tunnel vision like we are, we're built different. Yeah, for sure. And when you're built different, you just achieve the goal, whatever it is. Exactly. Exactly. Let's be real here. It was a total thrill. Like I told you, I sent you that text yesterday.

we were elated that you joined us everybody was geeked to have you there so thank you so much for coming it was i was honored to be there because it was that was and i said it in a post this morning

I've been to a lot of races. Yeah. You know, that was one of the, or it was the most well-organized start finish, just in environment that I've ever been part of. It's such a fun group. Everybody was in a great mood. Oh, it was, it was unreal. But then you had like, you had this crazy variety that you wouldn't normally get at a normal race. Yeah. You know, cause you had jelly roll there. Who's this phenom had you guys there that, uh,

people have been following you along on your fitness journeys. Sure. And so that has given, inspired so many people. So it was like this, it was just this weird, I don't know. And then you there and what was, I'm sorry, your friend, I just forgot her name. Uh, Kat was there. Yeah. Kat Bradley, who was awesome. Um, she's a stud. She was having creepy when I go, I meet her and I, she, I, she introduces herself. I go, I follow you on Instagram.

She was like, what? I follow a lot of ultra marathoners. She's like, why? And I went, nevermind. She was awesome. Yeah. What I always say about those girls, because I really love training with Kat, Courtney, Sally McRae. I don't know if you guys know her. Yeah, I know Sally. She's Yellow Runner. Yeah. Those girls, it's weird because guys, we have these egos. We always want to talk about we're badasses or like show that we're tough. They are so fucking tough, but they're...

they trick you because they're so cool, chill. Cause like ultra runner girls are kind of little, like kind of free, not hippies, but kind of free spirit. Yeah. But then just complete savages when it comes to like running in the mountains and you're like a guy, he will want to break you and know that,

And you know that that's kind of the deal with men. Yeah, I'm better than you. It's a test. Always a test. I broke a bunch of men yesterday. Right, exactly. It's fun when you pass someone and then they go, wait, you're passing me? Yeah, yeah. I love it. It's a good feeling. You know what that's called? Goggins calls that? What's that? Taking souls.

You took souls yesterday. I took a bunch of souls on that back fucking last mile. I was fucking flying. Were you? I was flying. I was doing like around an eight minute, sub eight minute mile on the down, because it's downhill. Yeah. And I know my stride and I know my pace and I was like, and I did 11 the first mile and then

10-ish. All I know is I was at 15 at the halfway point. Girl fell down, blew out her knee, and so I sat with her for three minutes, and I was like, I was like, you're fucking up my time. She was like, thank you for sitting with me. I was like, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Taylor was a guy filming for me, and he goes...

Cause he goes, you had music playing, right? And I go, yeah, I had earbuds. He goes, yeah, you ran past jelly roll. And he was like, Tom, I want to finish with you. And he goes, he goes, Tom, he goes, it kind of bothered jelly a little bit. I didn't hear anything. You took this race so fucking serious. Well, here's the thing, man. Okay. So I did, uh, I did, I, my sister signed me up for a Turkey trot Thanksgiving day when I was in for Florida.

So I had no idea really how to prepare. And there's actually great apps that are like, oh, you want to do your first, you know, so couch to five, five K thing. And it was like, you know, it starts you off like, Hey, run for a minute and then walk for eight. And you're like, what? But then when you start doing week by week, it really does change. Well,

I'm doing it. It's a 10-week program. Seven weeks out, I break my big toe, right? And basically, when you break a big toe, they just go... It'll heal in four to six weeks. You can't run on it. You just got to like... So, you know, the first few weeks, I'm just...

I wore a boot for a few days. And then you're just kind of walking and you're easing into it. So I heal up like a week before. I get in a few runs and I'm like, well, I guess I'm doing it. Thanksgiving Day. And I do it. My only goal on Thanksgiving Day was like, just don't stop. Was it a 5K? It was a 5K. It's a good goal. It's a really good goal. I go, just don't walk. Don't walk. That's a really good goal. I just want to run. And I was trying to keep my pace up. And I was running with this group. And I ran it in...

32 and change. And I was like, well... Actually, my other goal was just to beat my best friend from high school who was like, I'm going to beat your ass. And I was like, no, you're not. Wasn't he dying from cancer? That was a few years ago. I just want to beat this cancer patient. Listen, he's fine. He's deaf now, but he's fine. So...

I beat him and I was like, I made him give me the money in front of people. I tried to humiliate him. And then, you know, just being a friend. So my goal coming up to this one was like, I just want to beat my Thanksgiving Day time. And I mean, look, this was like, I mean, we had a lot of time to do it. It was, you know, race day and everything. He took this very serious. He worked with Zach Bitter. Well, Zach was telling me, I think, I don't remember if I got to tell you this.

that I was really fascinated that to really get your heart rate or your cardio better, you know, what everyone tells you, Zach, and if you read the running articles, it's all about like zone two training. But when your cardio isn't great,

You're in like zone eight. Bro, and the thing is, if you're... So what would happen is I go, well, I can run, let's say, I feel like I can run a casual in my mind, right? Like 10, 11 minute mile. But what I don't realize is when I'm doing that, my heart rate is in zone five. So then I go, well, how do I run zone two? Well, I look, I realize I got to be running like a 13 minute slow. And they're like, that's what you got to do. And you got to do it over time. And then over time...

your zone two will take place at a lower speed or a faster speed, right? So a lower pace. And as I'm doing that, I'm like, oh, this sucks because it's really shitty feeling to be like I'm running a...

this slow ass mile. So anyways, I'm doing some outdoor running, but we're traveling all the time and sometimes we're not in ideal weather places or whatever. So I'm doing treadmill too, which is- - Different. - It's different. You figure out later that like, I mean, for me, I go like, oh, this is okay. This is easier. Like once you go like this is easier. - Well, you don't have to propel yourself. You just go up and it goes like this. - It works a different set of muscles actually. I found that out the hard way. But I only ran treadmill. I only ran treadmill. And then I'd go out to do a race

And I'd be like, oh, fuck. All I've been doing really is catching myself. Lifting your foot. Yeah. Catching myself. So it's all the front muscles, all my back muscles, the ones that would propel me were underdeveloped. I found myself. Well, so race starts. And first of all, having, you know, 1045 start. Yeah. Fucking hot. Sun was out.

Also, anxiety is building because you have all this time going by. You're like, come on, let's go. I put up that clip and people are noticing you were so serious in the back because Travis Barker was there, me, and Truett, and you were right there too. He's checking his watch, getting the head. Well, somebody came up, some press person came up to me and they're like, I go, get the fuck out of here. I'm in his zone. Yeah, I was trying to focus. But I also found, man, a couple minutes later,

into the race yeah i was like man this is way harder really the uphill was like that was a struggle for me man it was started off uphill slightly and then that little jog we had to do yeah yeah so that that part i was like you know we come back down but i was like i could i wasn't even looking but i just knew i was like man my heart rate is fucking up you never looked at it i didn't look at it true it's got to 194.

I don't know what you guys get to, but because he was pushing hard, but 194, it's like that's red line. Yeah, that's red line for sure. I love getting my heart rate up there. It makes me know I'm not going to die. I do. We do the thing. Cardiologists might disagree. It's an acid bath where you get on the fucking, you get on the salt bike for a minute, as many calories as you can do. And when you're done, you're going...

That's how I fell at the finish line, by the way. That's how I did too. People were like, Cam, Cam. And they wanted a picture. I'm just like, give me a second. I mean, I always thought I was going to freaking pass out. There was a lady on the approach to the finish line who came up to me with a mic. And I was like, I just made a gasp. I was like, crap.

Crazy. My dad's a legit... His whole life was a legit runner. Like you, really honestly. Marathons. If I call my dad on the phone right now, he can still give you exact times. It splits. He remembers all of it. He told me yesterday, he goes, my fastest 5K was like 16 minutes, 17 minutes. That's good. And so...

That's fantastic. That's running. Yeah. Oh, my dad was run marathons and, you know, low three, three hour, you know, and so he would run six minute miles for running, running a marathon. It's pretty good. So that's under three. Yeah. Yeah. My, oh yeah. My dad was like legit. It's all he did. I don't know what he was running from. Yeah. There's everyone's running from something, you know, his kids. Yeah.

I used to like so much regret cam. I used to have to go to those fucking marathons and, and be his pace guy with my uncle. Yeah. So like we'd go out and have water for him and everything and have snacks for him and we'd meet him at places. So I spent my whole childhood going to fucking marathons and never won't never ran one. We'd all run Turkey trots when we were kids. But my dad was laughing so hysterically at Tom. Cause he's like, I go, yeah, his trainer is going to pace him. And he was like,

it's a 5k. And he was like, what's he pacing? I was trying to break three minutes, three, 30 minutes. Yeah. And Tom, my dad goes, hold on, hold on. He can't run a 10 minute mile by himself. And I said, well, he doesn't run. Like if you run, you know, when you run, there's something also that happens is that those first miles are hard, but the last ones are like

Let's get it fucking over. And that's where you push yourself. That's called, it's like with horses, it says they're barn sour. So they go away from the barn slow. You turn around, the horse knows, oh, we're going back to the barn. It's like double time. So you get a little barn sour in a race where when you're heading home, it's on.

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or like the part of the final mile, we were running a nine minute, like around sub nine. You were cruising. You were cruising. And so anyway, I ended up doing two minutes less. I did it in 30.

30? 30 yesterday. Really good. Oh, you were trying to get under 30, though. I was trying to get under 30. Yeah, but you still improved, though. I improved. I cut two minutes off. I was talking to Huberman about this a couple days ago, and I was saying, it's crazy how when you start off running a 5K, you finish a 5K, and you're like, what?

Yeah. That was, and then you're like, well, I wonder if I could do a 10K. Then you do a 10K. And then you do a half marathon. Then you do a marathon. Then you do a 50K. Then a 100K. Then a 100 mile. And it's like, it's the same, you're the same person. Yeah. How the fuck was 5K your max? Yeah. And now, because people, everybody starts at a 5K. And then now some people are running 100 and 200 miles. Same thing.

Same body. It's up here though, right? I mean, obviously your body has to make adjustments. Yeah, you have to be more efficient. That's the thing. Because when you're not efficient, that's when your heart rate skyrockets. Talk about efficiency and running. This is fascinating. And I know this from my dad. Efficiency and running. A lot of people, same with swimming. A lot of people don't know how to swim.

But if you know how to run, you know it's not... When you watch Cam run, it's really pretty because your arms aren't making... You're almost like dancing a little bit. You have a great arm. My dad's seen videos of you run. He goes, God, I love his fucking stride. God, I love his fucking stride. But you really glide when you run. Yeah, you watch those pro runners and their head isn't even moving. You know what I mean? It's just so efficient. And that's why some elite marathon runners can...

have, you'd think they'd be shredded. They're so efficient. They still have a little fat on their belly. Really? Yeah. I mean, they don't have a six pack, but because if you're running on a flat road and you're that efficient, it's- What does it translate? What does efficiency mean?

it's uh i mean less work so they're they're not they're not working as hard right if somebody who's struggling like this they're working their ass off you were struggling yesterday you're not struggling but you were your body was moving in ways no for sure yeah so when it's like when you're tense and so they say it goes all the way down to wearing sunglasses because if you squint

that's taking energy from your body. So that's just a measure of how efficiency plays in to be in the background. Because I've heard this, like all this talk about efficiency with sprinters, right? Yeah. When you get into elite sprinting, the coaches are down to like micro movements to not waste the energy, like you said, on a facial muscle. Right. And they train for these hundred meter guys that just blaze down there. There's a hundredth of a second difference. So it's like those little things make,

They add up. Yeah. But yeah, especially like when you talk to Zach Bader or the guys who do the ultras, like the girls we talked about, efficiency is so key because to be able to sustain that pace, not falter,

Even when you're burning calories and hydration and everything the whole time, it's difficult. But the people who are the best are the most efficient. When did you think, did you always have a goal for ultra stuff? Or were you like, I feel like most people with running go like a marathon is a goal. Did you do one and then go, I wish I think I could do another, a further run?

Yeah, it's just like how I explained. You start at one thing and then you just want to test yourself more. So once you do it, I mean, I even heard Jelly yesterday say he wants to do a half marathon. Yeah, dude. He's the one that was really yapping about it too. Yeah, so that was with me too. It's just like you did it, then you're like, God.

I wonder what I'm capable of. And so then it's just that still chasing that, what's my limit? That's what we all kind of want to find is, what's our actual limit? I haven't found it yet, but it's like, that's kind of the game. And it's not really, in my opinion, it's not physical, it's a mental thing. Well, that's what I... I mean, the thing that, you know, you...

when we watch like a goggins and you uh the thing that i always think about i'm like this guy's just so mentally tough like that your mental toughness is and it's actually it's really fun to be around because i feel like you know when you're like when you do comedy one of the most fun things is to hang around with comedians and what happens is like when you hang around for a while

everybody's joking you're joking you're laughing and you leave there kind of feeling better about comedy and yourself in comedy i think when you hang around like really mentally tough people you know you take a little of that with you yeah you know i mean you just you kind of go like oh this person is it's good for you it's good for you to be around it it's the old adage about you know the five people you hang around yeah so if those people are elite runners

you're, or if they're a comedian, you're going to be, you're going to pick shit up. You are. Yeah. You're just, it's just, you're around it. Your conversations are different things. You think about, talk about how you carry on in a daily life. It's different. And then it all leads to whatever that goal is. Yeah. It's also, there's, there's a thing and I'm, I can't, I can't speak for you, but I know that like when you have his fitness level and he, he looks at

12 miles the way we look at like two.

You know, we like, you know, we get on the, say we're going to go do a 5k in the, in the hotel and you're like, you know, I'm going to walk the first mile, get, get some emails hit. When he starts running your first three miles have to be like a little loosening up and being like, okay, now we're in there. And then once your brain clicks over and you get that runner's high and you are like your breathing's right. I, I, I watch, I know, cause I know you'd run a half marathon or a marathon every day at lunch. Right. Yeah. Yeah. There was, there was times when I do that. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like inconceivable to most people. Yeah. It's just like, but when you, when you spend time around Goggins around Courtney, it's just, it doesn't seem inconceivable, you know, like in my previous life, essentially before I'd done that. Yeah. It'd be like, what it'd be. That's not even possible. Nobody could do that. But then you start, I like telling the story about Courtney because Kat, who was here yesterday with us, she ran great, but her and Courtney were roommates one time at this running camp in Europe.

And I'm not going to get the details all right, but they were running as part of the running camp because sometimes like Solomon or

uh cats brooks running or they have these running camps for their sponsored athletes so they were on the same team in europe and they were running 50k a day so 31 miles a day and you know all all pro runners so they're they're putting in the miles right well kat said she's like me and courtney were roommates and she goes we would do the run come back for meetings

dinner, everybody then go and go to bed. Courtney would go, go out running. - Go out running at night? - At night. So the 31 miles wasn't enough.

That's why she is who she is. It's just grind. And I asked her, and she'll never talk about her training. I don't even know how many miles a week she runs. She underplays everything. Just her demeanor is so chill. And I said, so I heard a rumor that you would go running at night after you guys did the 50K. She's like, oh, yeah, but not really.

Not much, you know? And I'm like, well, how, how many miles? And he's like, you know, five to seven miles, she said. So it's like, that's significant after you've already done 31. Yeah. And, but anyway, so when you hear stuff like that, then you think about what you're doing differently. And it's just, that's just what happens. How was adapting for you from going, uh,

from like 5K, 12K, or 10K, half, like was the adapting process of getting yourself there a pretty gradual, slow thing? Or I mean, did you have to hit new gears mentally to do that? Yeah, your body adapts, just like we talked about. Your body does change. And I mean, Joe even talks about stuff like this. He'll talk about like the Mongolian archers, their bones, 'cause they were pulling such heavy bows back, their bones would get thicker, their body would change.

So your body does change. I said it's the same body that had a hard time doing a 5K is doing 100 mile, but it does change over this time. That's the incredible thing about a human body is we can adapt. And I always say your body gets used to what you ask of it. If you don't ask much, it's not gonna give you much. If you ask a lot, it's gonna give you a lot. So that's all it is. It's like, it does change. It takes time. When you start doing that and testing your body differently,

you can get injured. There can be things going on, but you really dial in your diet. You really dial in all these little things that allow your body to flourish and get stronger. Did your body composition itself change a lot from your early days? Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. It's like,

you know, it's Puerto Rican when we first saw him, there was an early pictures of cam Haynes. No, Puerto Rican. Yeah. I actually, I actually don't pull up or young. You, you ran with, uh, who are you running next to Lance? Yeah. Puerto Rican cam Haynes. Yeah. But like cams, like a totally different human being now. Yeah. It's a skinny. Yeah. There was a time. So when I ran with Lance in Boston, that was, I don't really mean. No,

There we go. I ran with Lance in 2008 in the Boston Marathon. So that's 16 years ago. And I went like right. Yeah, there's a picture of it right there. Down to the right. Down, down, over to the right. One more. That's Lance. Right. Is he not look like Puerto Rican? Yeah. Puerto Rican campaigns. Yeah. So that was 2008. I weighed like 150 pounds. And now?

170, a little over 170. Okay. So I was thinking, well, to be my best runner, I got to be light. Yeah, sure. And so I was like, all I was doing was run 20 miles a day. That was before I had even done, let me think, I'd even done 100 miler at that time.

But, uh, I thought I needed to be light. So I got down to one 50 and I just, I couldn't because I still hunt. And if I kill a bull elk, I got to pack, you know, a lot, hundreds of pounds. I just wasn't, I was more frail. So I'm like, oh shit, this isn't going to work. So then I went and started running less, got up to one 90, but muscle.

And then I couldn't run. I wasn't efficient on that. So now where I'm at now is like the best of both worlds. And prior to you running these ultra kind of distances, even like before your marathon days, like when you were a half marathon runner, were you still at the like 150-ish range? No, I was probably a little heavier. I just wasn't in that good of shape at that time. You know, I'd run...

Like I would run a half marathon slower than we ran the first half of Boston. Really? So I just got, I got better over the years. You know, you just get, you figure out what it takes. What's also weird is, and I think,

The race you sign up for is the race you do in your head. Meaning, if you sign up for a marathon, you're going to do a half marathon extremely easy. Yeah. But if you sign up for a half marathon, you'll do the 5K very easy. And all of a sudden, a half marathon becomes very long at six miles. But a marathon becomes very long at 13 miles. But 22 miles, marathon's a fucking... Yeah. I'm not going to say it on our show anymore. But like, I...

That was the point where your where people start your body starts giving out like people's legs start seizing up and people shit themselves and You said you see that guy the other day Davis Clark. Oh

He shit himself. It went viral on a run. Yeah. And I commented on this post. I said, nobody cares shit harder. And he ran. It was Boston. And he videoed. He got at the end. He videoed himself with shit running down his legs. Holy cow. Did you see the chick pull over to the side, pull her pants over to the side and shit in the street? Oh, yeah, I did. I saw that. Really? Dude, shitting. You were talking about having to go to the bathroom when you start.

So this is like race talk. I love this shit. Because when you run a marathon, I mean, maybe...

A hundred yards out, they have a ton of porta-potties. Because what happens is everyone has to shit the second they start the marathon. Everyone has to piss the second they start everything. And that happened to you yesterday. Well, like also, I mean, I'm a all-day water coffee guy. Like, those are pretty much what's in me. So you always have to piss. I always got to pee. And I always think, and then like, you know, at shows, like I get to the show, you know, you're hanging out in the green room like this. I mean, I might go pee.

eight times before the show. Yeah. Right. And there's always like that last one right before you go. I just like, you know, it's just a constant thing. So I didn't, I didn't, uh, you know, the day before I hydrated well, and then morning of, I'm not like overdoing it. You know, I'm just, I had a little coffee drinking some water and we have like hours to kill. So whatever. I hit the head a few times and then it's like, all right, let's, um, let's walk over. And I went one more time.

We're standing around and I just get in my, I go, fuck, I got to pee. And they're like, and here we go. Three. God damn it. So we start to run. There's nothing worse than having to piss when you're running. Right. When you start. Yeah. I was like, I was like, this is exactly when I want to pee. So we get in the run and then I'm just distracted. I don't think about peeing because I'm distracted by like how hard I'm working to run. And when we get done,

I was actually going to go in and they're like, oh, Jelly and Bert are coming up in a few minutes. Okay. We, you know, you guys come out, come through, we celebrate. And it's like, like, let's head in now. Well, then we're like, let's walk into the stadium. And I remember we were walking in and it was still kind of like the, you know, the party of like, oh, we're here now. Now let's like get this thing started. And I kind of don't think about it. And then I get in the cold tub.

And I was like, man, I got to piss. I'm not going to piss in this tub. It's hard to piss in a cold tub. Yeah. I was like, but I was like, I do have to pee. Yeah. Then I get out and I'm like,

talking to this person pictures i forget yeah and then we go through the entire experience yeah and as we're walking back i i turned to zolo who's i go i had to piss since the race because that was four hours ago and i was like i don't know what happened like my body just like shut off the yeah the notification that like i gotta pee and then it was one of the most enjoyable pisses of my life i bet yeah

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Your accessibility, meaning like what you perform at is, I think a lot of people go, I'll never get there. I think a lot of people look at me and Tom and go, well, those fat fucks can do it. Yeah, yeah. And so the people that were there yesterday were like, I mean, they could have fucking sold a dickload of blood pressure medicine at that place. And running shoes. And running shoes. Yeah, and seeing Jelly out there. That gives so many people hope. You know what I mean? He got out there, he did it, and it's just like, that's like,

He's going to impact more people than I could, than you could, because there's a lot of people who think that's so unrealistic for me. Because you guys are active and everybody kind of knows that now. So it's not a shock to see you do a 5K. To see Jelly, who they're figuring probably hasn't run much, to see him do it and then smiling in like all the positive affirmation. He was so positive. Yeah. And it's like, that's going to change everything.

who knows how many lives you know he's obviously very well known and and he was saying you know he dropped 70 pounds and then but i was running into people all day i lost 25 right i lost 50 pounds some guy came up to us he's like i lost 250 pounds uh i was dying to know what he looked like before i'm sure it wasn't great but yeah there was a and he did it oh by the way there was no better feeling than when i was like meeting people

And I was like, how'd you do? And if they were younger than me and, uh, and like leaner than me and their time was slower, I would smile so big. I go, that's good. Congratulations, man. Good for you. Yeah. And then I met one guy who was in a fucking, like a mascot suit. Yeah. The bear. Yeah. And, and he was like kind of out of shape. He did it twice. I did it twice. What was your time? He goes 26. I go, how the fuck did you do that? He goes, I'm 23.

That helps. That suit looked hot as hell too. I was like, you ran it in this? Those people make me so angry when they run it. There was a guy that beat me in the LA Marathon who was in a big bird suit. There was a guy with a tuba. He played the tuba the whole fucking race.

There was a guy... There was a kid with MS that beat me and his dad, his Mexican family, his dad ran with him in jeans. Jeans and just work boots and ran with him. And they lapped me twice. Like, I'd keep... I'd try to take their souls. Yeah, no. Then they'd fucking smoke my soul. There was some impressive... There was some impressive running. I mean, besides you guys, there were some other people there. Like, those dudes were fucking flying. Your...

Asshole son ran it with jeans on. He did. Which I basically, I saw you guys the day before and I'd seen that before so I said it as a joke. I go, what are you going to run into tomorrow? He's like, I hope 18. And I was like, well, it doesn't count if you're not in jeans. And he was like, okay.

And then he shows up in, I touched them. Are these real jeans? Yeah. And he was like. I think he was like kind of waffling on shorts or jeans. But once you said that, we saw him at the whatever that. Yeah, the Oaks. The Oaks. Yeah. So then he's like, no, I told Tom I was going to wear jeans. And I couldn't believe it. I was like, this is a joke, right? Yeah. And he ran good. I mean, he ran like, I think 1806, was it? Or 12, 1812.

That's fucking quick. Pretty fast. When I was doing it. 1812. Looking like...

Like a green beret that just lost his gear. And you're like, I mean, your son. He's jacked. Bro. He looks like an underwear model. He ran it like he was at the bar and some chick gave him a booty call. Yeah. And she was like, hey, can you come over here in 10 minutes? And he's like, yeah, I got it. I'll be right back. Yeah, you're only three miles. Be there in 18 minutes. That was unreal, dude. That's so impressive. My only regret is not touching his hands. I didn't focus on his hands. Why? Because his hands are fucking shredded.

From fucking goddamn pull-up. He does them in oven mitts now, I think. He's the pull-up king, right? Yeah. He did 8,124 hours. Do you worry, because I worry...

That my lifestyle. That we will beat that record. Oh, what were you going to say? My lifestyle has permeated my daughters in many ways and in my mentality. And some, I don't want them to have the work thing I have where I'm like obsessed with work. But like your kids get the shit you give them. Do you ever think about like, shit, I can't escape this killer mentality. I have it. My dad gave it to me. I got it. And then I gave it to my kids. You ever like go.

Man, I know you probably don't go, I wish I had kids to play video games, but do you ever go, I wish I didn't give them all that hunger? Yeah. I, you know, to be honest, it's, it's hard. So what, like what he, the path he's going down, the world record pull-ups is like,

you can't just show up and kind of get through a, you know, you got to make an, you know, big stuff, hard stuff. And that's exhausting. So I said, you got, I'm 56 now, he's 27. And I'm like, you got 30 more years of hard shit. It's, that's a lot. And I worried with my other son who went and was the ranger. Cause I had like,

I thought I had fucked up like raising kids. I didn't know what the hell I was doing, but I'm like, I'd always tell him, I'm like, if you're average, you're a failure. I love that. I love that. I know, but then...

you know, you know, so if your kid has a good job, an important job that the community needs, but they're not like this elite, whatever, they feel like a failure. And so I had to say, I said, I had to say is like, there's nothing wrong with having a regular job. There's nothing wrong. You know, after, after they had already had been through all the shit that I'd said, like, look around, see all these people at the movie theater. Right. And I'd be like, all these people,

We don't want to look like those people. Those people are average. And then I was just like... You see Bert? You see Tom? All right. See these guys? They don't want to look like this. So I was like, God, what the fuck? What was I thinking? Because not everybody has to be this freak. No, but what you were... You know that it's coming from a... What you did, I think... I mean, I'm a father of two younger boys. Is I think you were...

you're putting your boys on a good path. I think it's tough to be probably tough to be Cam Haines son. Cause you know, your dad's like an ultra achiever, like regardless of the field. So any, anytime your dad's an achiever, but you know, you play, you put a mentality into your kit. No mentality comes without like some, a price. Yeah. It all comes at a price, but like, I mean, look at your boys now, like, you know, they're,

They don't hate me. They don't hate you. And they are... They did for a while, but... They are achieving incredible things. They're good kids. The way I looked at it is because I didn't have any advantage. So I realized really quickly life is fucking competition and I'm losing. So when I first started bow hunting, it was like, well, if I'm in the best shape and I get to the mountains, all these guys who have more connections and know more people, have more money and better jobs...

But in the mountains, I'm better than them. I call the shots out here. So that's what like gave me that edge. It's like, I can't in regular, the regular world, I'm fucking nobody. But out here, now I can call the shots. So that's where I learned really quickly that life will kick you in the dick if you're not ready to compete. So I'm like, I got to get my boys ready. Life is competition. And if you want to win, which we all want to win in our own little thing,

You got to be built for it. We're built different. Yeah. Oh yeah. But no, it's, but seriously, it's like, so it was, I maybe was too serious about it. Cause I was young and it's like, didn't understand the balance of it. You know, I didn't really school was like, yeah, get good grades, but it was always physical. Were you, so were they physically doing a lot of stuff early? Always. Yeah. Running. They, they both did half marathons when they were seven.

under two hours. Isla couldn't spell half marathon at seven. She can't do it at 17. At seven? Seven, yeah. And Truett ran, who you guys met yesterday, he ran, here's another me being psycho, but the Eugene Marathon, you have to be 16 to run it. So I lied on his thing, he was 13. And my dad was getting ready to die from cancer. So this is 2010. And

We said, well, if true could do this marathon, give my dad his marathon medal. Right. And so true is 13. I said he was 16 and he ran, ran it in three 30, which is a pretty damn good marathon. Really good. So that was who ran yesterday. So he's, they've been, they've been pushed for a long time. Wow. Yeah. But that's, I think that,

I used to want Kevin Hart to talk about luck more than hard work because luck is so important in life. But then there's another thing that I think

Maybe I have too. Maybe my dad put it in me. When I was in first grade, my dad, I said, I'm the fastest kid in the class. He said, you'll never beat me at anything. And I said, I'm pretty fast. And he goes, well, let's go outside. Let's do a sprint. So he wins. And I was in first grade. I was six years old. And I was six or seven.

And I fucking was cooking down the street. And as I look up, my dad is running backwards. And he goes, I told you you'll never beat me at anything. But you need that. I think you need that. Like weird parenting things to give you a brain that says, listen, I'm not the most talented comic.

but I'm very high achieving because I don't believe I belong anywhere. I don't believe I have value. I feel like if I don't create it, I won't be invited. If I don't show up, if I don't work harder than everyone else, then no one will notice me. And I think that that's like a really important thing

thing to instill into a child is like, identify the fact that you're feeling this and then use that as your advantage. Yeah. You gotta, you gotta have something. What, why are you going to stand out? Is that's the thing people, they want to stand out sometimes like how you've done it, how you've done it. It's hard. So they can stand out for being a fuck up, still get, still get attention, but just negative attention to stand out for

for putting in work, doing positive, making a positive difference. That's fucking hard. And I've, I've known that my whole life. So that's what I tried to teach my boys. Tell Tom, tell Tom a little bit about your, your child and your youth. Cause I, I've, I've listened to your book. I told you out of all the inspiration, all the self-help books you'll get, uh, Cam's book is the most applicable to your life because instead of saying, uh,

This is how I do it. Your book is really, this is why I do it. I felt that way. And so tell Tom a little bit about like, just give him like for everyone listening goes, Oh, I know Cam. I know he's been on Rogan 30 times, but like, tell him a little bit about like where you grew up, how you grew up and how you got it, got into everything.

Yeah, I mean, the biggest part of my childhood was here's the biggest thing. And we can offer our kids something different than this. But my mom and dad got divorced when I was young. My dad, of course, I thought was Superman like most kids do, but he's an incredible athlete. And I just basically just always wanted him around and he was never there. So I was always like wanted this thing, this approval from dad type thing. So my mom and dad

My mom got remarried. Stepdad hated him. He wasn't my dad. So never going to work. You're not my dad. And it's like, that has to be the worst thing ever for a step parent to have some fucking kid like me say, you're not my dad. I don't, I don't have to do what you say. That's pretty much how my whole life was. So it was a, this big butting the heads battle all the time. I, you know,

I'd wanna go live with my dad 'cause he lived in Portland, but then I'd miss my brother 'cause I had a brother, we have the same mom and dad. Then I have, my other brother ran yesterday too, a half brother. That's my mom and the stepdad's kid. And then I have a half sister on that side. Anyway, got a bunch of mixed up kids, but I have a full brother. And so I'd move in with my dad, then miss my brother 'cause I was by myself in Portland. Anyway, it wasn't good.

So that was kind of how it worked is like my dad, everybody knew my dad down in Eugene because he was like this track phenom and I'd hear stories about him. And so when you, because as parents, we fuck up all the time. So kids see us fuck up.

I never saw my dad fuck up. So I always just had him like he was up here forever. I never saw anything bad, you know? And it's like, that was, so it always like, you know, knew he was a track guy. So I'm like, I got it. I want to run. I want to be like that just to maybe he'll notice. And that's, that's pretty much it. So that's what connected with me is that my dad was a track guy.

And his weekends were all spent running. I mean, he'd be up at six in the morning. He'd run, he'd run 10 miles every night when he came home from work, just go out and run a quick 10 miles. And I think part of me, I got into track and field. My, I played baseball very heavily and my dad was always involved at, but my dad was always involved in,

when you were doing a sport. Like you could get, I could get my dad a hundred percent if we went to a running store to look at shoes. If we went to a sporting goods store, if I was playing baseball, if I said, hey, let's go play baseball. Hey, let's go for a run. Like my dad would always be like, oh, that was the way we connected. It's why I go to sporting goods stores obsessively today to this day is it's a weird thing. It's like makes me comfortable. But I did track and field. And I remember when I got into track and field freshman year,

um i was running the 220 and 220 and the 4200 and the 400 were my two races and my dad got so into it he introduced me to fart licks and and he would train me on the track yeah and it was like and it was like but it was like this it's this weird i'm looking for the thing i'm looking for that thing yeah approval and it's defining who i will be i don't know that right it's by i that's

I was like, God, and Eugene running and Eugene at that time was, that's the beginning of Nike. That's pre Fontaine. That's fucking, that's the fucking, that's the Mecca. Yeah. It is. So did you hate running? Uh, cause you're, cause you felt like you had to do it cause your dad wanted you to do it. Cause that's how my kids, my kids hated running. I make them run. No, I loved it. My dad would, my dad's, my dad did some really fucking crazy things. My dad would compliment me on things that weren't real.

And I would believe them. Like what? Number one, you love pressure. He said that to me when I was six years old. Buddy, this is where you excel. Other kids, they don't have what you have. When all the chips are on the table, you fucking show up. And I don't know if that's real or not. I really don't. But I'll tell you what.

I fucking love pressure. You started to believe it though. I believe it. I believed it. And you manifested it. You put me into a game and fucking three, two people on base were down by two runs and I would fucking deliver because I love, I would all of a sudden that energy would skinny up. This is a stupid story, but don't do much athletically. Do secret time, two shows in Philly. I bomb on the first show. I bomb really fucking ate a dick.

I have one show to deliver and I'm nervous. And Leanne says, well, you know, you love pressure.

And I went, oh, that's right, I do. And all of a sudden, when I focus in and I dial in and I love pressure, but I don't know if it's real. My dad always told me, you have a beautiful stride. I love your stride, buddy. God, it's like they compliment you on athletically things. As a kid throwing a football, God damn it, you have the tightest spiral. Like he would just, he was really good at like, I don't even know if they were real. Who won the football throwing? Oh, the fucking black guy.

Oh, yeah. I just saw the pictures of it. But without him coming on, because he wasn't one of the comics. Who would have been you? Yeah, because it would have been... I thought it was a comic competition. Yeah, yeah. We just brought somebody else. It wasn't Tony Hinchcliffe. That's for sure. It wasn't Ari. No. It was not... Oh, it was Feidelberg. Did Feidel throw that for us? Feidelberg's a sneaky athlete. Yeah. Yeah, those Barstool guys show up. Yeah. Yeah. But it's interesting. Like...

I think a lot of what you do online is by proxy parenting. It's like, it's when you look at people to look up to. I get messages from young men who say that. Absolutely. Yeah. That's a big one. Maybe there's something to it, but which is weird because most of the time I felt like I was fucking up as a parent. And now it's like these people who I don't know are saying that. Well, it's funny because like, honestly, I think from podcasting,

you know, we get messages like that, like people who, and it's usually like younger men who, or maybe don't have any, like they just want some type of guidance. So what they do is, you know, they, they follow shows like that, you know, and then they find a voice that they like or something that they relate to. But I think, um, you know, nothing crazier than being a

jackass comedian who someone's like, I look up to your guidance. And you're like, okay. But with you, I feel like that really makes a lot of sense to me because like, you know, I consume your content or however you want to call it. Like, you know, in sometimes inadvertently, like you're, you're scrolling and you say, oh, it's cam post. And you just look and you're just like, I gotta, you know, I gotta get off my ass today. It's, it's a great little,

you know, pill you didn't even mean to take. Yeah. And that motivation hits you. Yeah, that's where the algorithm works. Because sometimes we see shit that does the opposite effect to us too. So it's like, you can kind of cultivate who you follow and why you follow them. And it can have that, even though you're not intentional, you're like, oh, and it just makes you feel like I should go do something. This motherfucker ran a marathon at lunch. And you're not an influencer who just...

who posts videos of you working out. You are someone, and that's all you do. You have a job. You're like a grownup. Do you think, I have regrets as a parent, hard regrets. Tom will not, I don't think. Because I think, and I mean this, I don't, but like Schultz, I was talking to Schultz the other day. I was like, wait, what are you doing Tuesday? He's like, oh, I'm flying home.

He said to me, he's like, you know, I got to be with my kid. And I didn't have that luxury. I had to, I was a poor parent. Not poor, but like I didn't have, Leanne was, I wasn't making money. You had to hustle. Yeah. And I, so I had a panic where I was like, yeah, parenting's great. I'd love to sit and read a book with you. But I need to make sure you have money to go to college. Do you think some of that comes into the fact that you were just a regular dad parent?

And you were like, yo, I've got to make money for these kids. And I've also have aspirations. I want to be bigger. And you look back and you go, oh, I guess I could have done that differently. Yeah. I mean, I just think I had kids. I don't know how old you guys had kids, but I was, you know, like 25. Damn. And I was kind of a fuck up, still drinking, just being an idiot. But kind of when I had Tanner, my oldest, I'm like,

I don't want to be a loser dad. I've seen loser dads out there. And it's just like, I better. So I, I still kind of drank more than I should have, but then finally ended up stopping. Cause I was just like, I gotta be, I guess be the example for these, these boys. This is, you know, when you come up like I did, it's like the only thing that's going to set you apart is work.

hard work because it's not gonna be money and it's not gonna be anything else so it's like that's i just got pretty serious about that and probably too serious on how hard i pushed them but the where i know it paid off because like um tanner was good at basketball my oldest and he was uh everybody you know wants to be the highest achiever they can and i said i go listen if you do what all these other kids do just go to practice do whatever i said

you're not going to stand out. I said, we got to do extra work. So he started lifting when he was 14 and then we'd stay and shoot threes after practice every day

for hours and he ended up getting all state first team all league and it's just like that was like a really big lesson because i said you do what they do you're gonna be just like them so then the boys really learned early that i gotta do more than everybody i'm gonna stand out if i'm gonna be if you're gonna stand out if that's your goal to stand out some people i don't know what have different goals and that's fine sure my daughter's more of an academic so um

you know, I didn't fuck her up on the, on the physical stuff. But also by the way, with the drinking thing, if you also had kept drinking, I don't think physically you could push yourself to the limits that you do. Right. Yeah. I always just thought with drinking, it's like what I, what I care about is being strong, having endurance, being able to run and bow hunt. Drinking,

drinking doesn't help any of those. Yeah. It hinders all of them. Yeah. So I'm like, your recovery would have been, I'm like, I'm saying I want to be the best at all these things, but then I'm sabotaging myself. So that was just an easy choice for that. You know, it's just, we were talking about growing, talking to Gronk about that the other day. Oh yeah. How he would party hard in his early twenties. And then he's like, by the time it was like,

Late 20s, 29, 30, he was like... The recovery. Well, he was talking about how you could pick it up. As an athlete, like you are, you're so in tune with little micro movements. He's like, it would be a DB that I have a step on him. And now I'm...

I'm a step behind him and I know it's because I drank. Like, I know that it's, it's messing me up in that regard. Right. So he's like, just can't do it because it's just like two steps, but you're dialed into it. Even like, even it could be less than that. I mean, could you imagine how, if they can get their fingertip on the ball and knock it up and then catch it. Yeah. But,

Maybe they're that much, their reaction is that much slower because of the alcohol or whatever they did. And they just didn't get that fingertip on it. So a fingertip. Because you've seen games. Remember that catch Edelman had? Yeah. Where it gets Atlanta where he's bobbling it around. What if he would have went out drinking the night before? Yeah, no. He wouldn't have kept that ball off the ground. They would have lost that Super Bowl. Yeah. So it's like the difference between success and failure can be that small. So who can really afford...

To give that up when you're at the highest level. You can't. You can't. When was the last time you got drunk? Man, I don't know. It's been a while. Not even like recently. You guys were all in fucking Maui hunting pigs and fucking Joe and everyone's around. They're like, let's have a cold beer. And you're just like, I'll have a water. A Diet Coke usually. Yeah. Sometimes you ever feel like you're like a real bad boy. You have a regular Coke.

ah that's yeah if it's if i'm getting crazy yeah yeah it's a lot of sugar yeah well like i stayed away from diet coke for so long yeah that um probably like in the last year a couple times i've been like hey uh let me get a regular coke and i have a sip and i'm like oh i know yeah it's i'm like this is fucking wild you lunatic you're a nasty boy yeah it hits so different you're like i can't have too much of this this is crazy what's your favorite part of bowhunting

Uh, I like the challenge. I like being in the mountains. I like being in tune. You know, it's like what I like about it is in, in normal life, we're a lot of distractions, a lot of shit going on in the mountains. It's so pure. And it's just like you versus animal. Um, you're impacted by the mountains themselves, the weather. And it's just as, as pure as it gets as far as living, no distractions. And that's what,

That can be hard for people. You've hunted countless times, right? Yeah, in my 40 years. So in all those times, have you, because everybody always wonders this, have you had threat encounters where you're like, oh shit? Like everybody always thinks about- That would be the reason I wouldn't bow hunt. I mean, in grizzly country, that's a real threat. Sure. The big bears. Have you had that encounter? Yeah, definitely. And what has happened?

Um, well, I mean, I just had, so I've had a couple charges. Uh, one time I killed this Brown bear, my buddy Roy, who got me into bow hunting, who died in 2015. He, he fell hunting. He was sheep hunting and fell and died. Oh my God. Off of like a cliff mountain. Yeah. And sheep are in really rugged country. Oh, right. And like on sides of, yeah. But that's what we loved.

The bigger the adventure, the crazier the adventure, that's what we loved. We lived for that. So earlier that year, that was 2015, he fell on October 4th, I believe is when he fell.

We had done a moose hunt two weeks prior and I killed a good moose and it's really good video. But the hunt right before that, I had done brown bear, which are grizzly that eat on fish. So if they're on the ocean, they're called brown bear. If they're inland, they're called grizzly, same species. Really? Pretty much, yeah. Wow. But the brown bear get bigger because- And more aggressive, right? I think grizzlies are more aggressive.

because they have to work harder for their kills. A brown bear can eat salmon in the water. So they're not working that hard, but so they get bigger 'cause they have all that protein. So they can get up to a thousand pounds where a grizzly would be like 600 pounds, but they're fast.

I kill or I shot snuck up on this on this brown bear in the title flats in this grass, sat up and I shot the arrow went frontal right here and it bear took off, went down.

this female grizzly or brown bear with full grown cubs. The cubs will hang out with their mom. They don't need the mom, but they still kind of hang out for another year or so with her. So she heard the arrow hit the bear and,

And she got kind of alarmed because she was about a hundred yards away, stood up in the grass. And it was like looking around like this came running towards me, picked up where I had hit that brown bear and there's blood on the ground for the arrow had caused a hemorrhage. And she started tracking that bear, that other bear smelling blood, smell blood, just like just going crazy. And my buddy Roy, he had, I went back to him and,

And he had a rifle and, uh, this female goes out to the bear I killed as a bull or a male. And she starts tearing it up, like attacking it. And it's dead. And I was like, I tell Roy, I said, I go, she's tearing up my bear. And I said, shoot out there. And so we didn't want to kill another bear, but wanted to spook her off from she's tearing up the hide, doing all this crazy shit, just grass and everything was going crazy. So he shoots boom. And, uh,

She didn't even nothing. And I said, shoot again, shoots again. And she looks up like this and she looks, and then she sees us cause we're in grass. So it's like grass is only about up to here. We're standing up. She sees us full bore sprinting. So the bear made it 130 yards dead. So she had 130 yards to cover. And she's like, and Roy said, she's coming full speed. Roy said, if she crosses a Creek,

I'm going to have to shoot her. And I said, yeah. And so she bombs right across that Creek. And I didn't even slow down. Gets right up to us, 20 yards away, stops, stands up.

And we're like, hey, get out of here. Get out of here. She's like staring, like standing up on her back legs, like looking like this. And Roy's like, you know, I have my bow and I have an arrow knocked. It's not going to really do shit. But I talked about this in the book, if you remember. But anyway, the bear drops down and charges and Roy shoots and hits her like crazy.

It was aiming just frontal, but hit her in between the head and the shoulder and just folded her dead. And we had it on video. And I was, what you hear on the videos, I just go, fuck.

And he's like, dude, I had to. And I said, I know. I said, I didn't want to fucking kill another bear because I just killed a bear. Yeah. And it was a good clean kill, big male. And now we had this, the cubs were going to, they were over a year old, so they were going to be fine. But we had another dead brown bear. And so we called fishing game, filled out the thing. It's called defensive life and property. So it's, it's legal to do that if it,

whatever. So that was one. And then just the last grizzly hunt I did, I was up in, uh, up in hunting inland and I hit this bear and it perfect, you know, should, should have been perfect. I hit a little far forward right here on a broadside bear and it takes off and we follow blood. And when you're hunting grizzly, you have to have a guide. If you're a non-resident, if you're, if you don't live in Alaska, you're called a non-resident. Um,

So there was a guide there and we go into the really thick alders and I could tell it's like, God, it wasn't a perfect shot because the bear would have been dead already. We had went like a couple hundred yards. Normally a perfect shot, they'll go 50 yards. You take out their lungs, they're going to die. So it went a couple hundred yards and got in these really thick alders and everybody was like, really, you know, it's pretty anxious time. It's pretty intense. A wounded grizzly in the alders.

really thick. So we're following this blood getting down there. And the guide was off to the, to my left. And I was right here and he goes, he goes dead bear. And I said, oh, good. You know, I look, I said, oh, okay. I could see that the blonde hide from the grizzly. And, uh, he's like, wait, no, it moved, moved his head. And I was like, don't shoot because I'm

Like for a bow hunter, if a gun is involved, it, it's not a bow kill anymore. So I'm a bow hunter. That's all I do. And so I said, don't shoot. And, uh, and he goes, okay. And I said, let me finish her and, uh, finish it. And so I get, I get down in there and, uh,

I'm trying to get a shot. It's like maybe from here to the wall there. And, uh, yeah, but the alders were so thick. So I'm a full drawn. I'm down on one, one knee trying to get a, and bears like sitting there looking like this, but it was hurt. Couldn't really, it was, you know, fatally wounded, just hadn't died yet. And, uh,

And about a split second starts coming right at me, but it's only, you know, 15 feet away, basically. And so I shoot, I finally had a, found a window to shoot through. I shot, hit the bear in the chest, the guide shot, hit the bear in the hip and kind of spun it and it was dead. But

And on that one too, I was like, fuck. Cause it was like another, I hate having guns involved, but I couldn't blame him. Cause it was that close, right? They just had a, a hunter just got attacked. Uh, I think the year prior on a wounded grizzly. Cause it,

They're tough. Freaking grizzlies are tough. So you weren't pissed that... No, I was just pissed at the situation. He did what he had to do. I mean, I just said... And before we went down there, I said, I don't want guns involved. I don't want even... I just want to go down there and if it's a mess, I need to clean up. I did it. And my attitude is always if I'm trying to kill this bear, if something happens and it kills me, that's just the way it goes. That's what I was trying to do. So it's like...

that's the deal. Right. So I didn't want the guns involved. He's just doing his job though. So it's like, I can't be mad at that. I was just mad. I made kind of a marginal shot that didn't kill the bear as quickly as I should have. Can I ask you, I want to ask you this one other question about hunting. Cause you've hunted so much. Um,

You always imagine when people go on hunts, whether it's for deer, turkey, or bear, whatever, moose, that not every hunt nets you what you're out for, right? Yeah, generally, no. I mean, like an elk hunt, success is 10%. So that's what I was going to ask. Shut up. Sometimes you just go for a walk.

Well, it's a walk with purpose. But what percentage of hunts that you go on, I guess, overall net you what you were out for? Me? Yeah, you. I mean, I haven't not killed on a hunt

I mean, I just had a mountain lion hunt where I just didn't see a lion that I wanted to kill. So it was kind of like a whatever. But before that, it had been since 2009 since I hadn't killed. So you always have killed something. But species-wise or like, you know, animal-

Does the variable change animal to animal? Yeah. So elk is 10%. Deer is about 20%. There's more deer than elk. You know, elk are just lower numbers. But you're just a better hunter then because you said you're not having – I work really hard. Okay. I work really hard. I'm not better than anybody. I probably just sacrifice more to be – to put more odds in my favor and –

you know, just have done it a long time. So I have a lot of experience. Where's the mountain lion hunt take place? That was Colorado. Is that a season two for them? That feels like a fucking terrifying hunt to be on. Yeah. That one, uh, you do use dogs for that. So I could do that. Just seeing, just seeing a lion. They're so nocturnal and so whatever. So dialed in, you just walking around, you hardly ever see them. I mean, I've seen a night hunt.

No, it's during the day, but they can track them and then they tree them. And so basically the dogs are doing the work. So the dogs are like,

The dogs are incredible. They're your tool for that hunt. It's not a bow, not a rifle per se. It's the dog as the hunting tool. They're just really good. They're bred for it. They love it. They love the chase. So that's how you... I've never killed a mountain lion. I was doing it because in Colorado right now, they have a very liberal governor. They're going after hunting. They reintroduce wolves, which are going to knock down elk and deer populations, which...

I think the goal is to, so they can say, we don't need hunting anymore. We don't need hunting to control these numbers. So this, their governor's is, he's got a husband. So that's, that's. That took me a second to process. I was like, wait. He's got a husband. So I was going there just to try to tell the story about mountain lions and why it's important to

to manage it. And it's like, where I was at- Wait, are you saying that his husband hunts? His husband does not hunt. Okay. And he doesn't hunt. Okay. I didn't. I'm not sure what they do. But-

I think the goal is to like definitely stop mountain lion hunting. Yeah. And then stop all hunting. Yeah. There's times, there's times that like LA gets mountain lion problems. Like there's that famous picture with the Hollywood sign right there with that big lion. And I mean, I, I just ran up to the sign like two days ago and it's like, it's there's coyotes all over up there. That's another one. That's one of the craziest things when you, when you, when I moved to LA, you move into like, you know,

I'd never lived in a major city. I'm moving to Los Angeles, second biggest city, one of the world's great cities. And you're like, this is a city, right? And a few things. One time I'm driving down Fountain, which is one of Hollywood's big streets. And this is like, I don't know, like middle of the day. And I just see a coyote.

with a dog in its mouth just jogging really and i'm like this is a fountain yeah and then when i moved into the valley we would we would see coyotes up and down the street early morning especially if you were up early and you'd see them like hunting through or jumping through people's yards just you know sniffing around and then you would see things like

rabbit torn to pieces in a front yard. And another time in the valley, I saw a coyote with a dog in its mouth where I used to live in Woodland Hills. Yeah, coyotes. They say coyotes kill 60% of deer fawns.

Wow. So the baby deer that are born, coyotes are killing 60% of them. Wow. So they, you know, if you think about a coyote, it's like people will say, well, you don't need to eat meat. You could have this whatever type of diet. A coyote, they got to kill. They're not, what else are they going to eat?

There's no dog food. They're not going to the store, so they're killing all the time. Always hunting, always killing. And it's like they're really good at it too. Yeah, they're good at it. What was it like? Because we both know Joe when he gets passionate about comedy. You can call him up. Or pool. Yeah, pool or fucking...

But like you met Joe when he decided he was going to start becoming a hunter. What was that early...

Because he's the most curious fucking guy. Also obsessive. Obsessive. He's obsessive on things. What was that initial relationship like? I can only imagine he was almost calling you every day, going like, hey, I have another question. Yeah, yeah. What was that initial relationship like? It was pretty cool because at that time, I was just grinding in Oregon. Nobody really knew who I was. I was putting my YouTube videos up.

And Joe, he loves YouTube. I mean, he is always looking at stuff, researching stuff. He's always on there. So he saw that

shooting a bow and I was carrying the rock up the mountain. That's one of the workouts that I do is I carry that fucking rock. Yeah. And so I had a video of it and, uh, that's the one that daddy Huberman, Huber daddy, Huber daddy carried up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That with the no shirt on that one did go viral. I remember that.

I'm jacked off to that. - Yeah, so Joe in 2014 tweeted, he said, "Hey, Cameron Haynes, do you ever want to come to LA and talk about bow hunting and training?"

And so that was it. I took a bow down there. You're like, bitch, that's what I do. Yeah, yeah. Fuck yeah, I want to talk about training and bow hunting. Yeah, so I was like, shit. So I took him a bow and showed him just kind of the basics on shooting a bow. And I said, hey, we should go on a hunt. And he's like, yeah, fuck yeah, I want to do a hunt. And I said, okay, well,

There's a good hunt I do up in Alberta with the Rivets as his family up there. They've become really good friends. But it's in Alberta, tons of bear up there. They have to kill bear to keep the moose and deer numbers healthy, right? Because bear just like coyotes, they'll kill a bunch of the fawns and the elk calves and the moose calves. So you can go up there and kill two black bears. So I told Joe, I said...

This is a really good first bow hunt because I can be there right with you. The bear, there's so many of them. We bait them in because it's such thick brush, you couldn't hunt them otherwise. Like a bowl of honey? No, we use oats.

Oh yeah. Just like oats and then mix some grease in and it's pretty good, you know? So it actually makes them, the meat is really good too. But so I told Joe, I said, we can go up there and then I can, I can be with you and I can say whether it's a male or a female, cause we want to kill big old males. That's, that's best for the health of the, of the,

bear numbers there. You take out a big old male that's already done his job as far as passing on genetics and things like that. And so I said, I can be there. We can identify the right bear and I can tell you when it's a good shot. So we did that. He killed a nice bear on his first ever bow hunt in 2014. What was Joe Rogan's reaction on his first kill? You know where it was

So he's pretty subdued on that one, like pretty chill, you know, because he's done a lot of things. Yeah. Where the next year I took him on his first elk hunt. And that was like, he, like I said, he is, can be calm even in tense situations, but we had two bulls coming in bugling. And he said at that time, and they came in really close, like in bow range. And they're like, have you heard an elk bugle? Mm-mm.

Have you? On a video. Yeah, right. So in person, it feels like it's going to blow your hat off. It's loud. They sound like some prehistoric animal. And then these big antlers come through. And so we're on this little creek bed and coming down the ridges on either side of the creek bed were these two bulls. So Joe at that time said that,

you know, he's done, he's fought, he's done comedy, he's done, you know, TV. He's like, that's the most intense moment he's ever been in with those bulls coming in and bugling. So that is, and that is, and you guys took those two down or no, no, we didn't even kill it. Either one of them, but I got you. Yeah. That was like, that was like,

That's hunting. Just a real life hunting moment. Just primal. Primal. You're there. We're on our knees in this creek bed with the bow and arrow. And these bulls are lighting up. They think they're going to come in and fight each other because they're aggressive. That's how they do it. And they bugle on the way to announce like the herd's like, oh,

and that's our presence type thing. It's fucking intense. And Joe said that too. He's like, this was unlike anything I've ever experienced. So that's when he was really hooked. That's when he got hooked and then you couldn't even talk to him anymore. Yeah. Like he would be like, he was so obsessed with hunting. Obsessed, obsessed. And I love that he gets obsessed like that. Would it be a bad thing if we killed a bear considering our brand is two bears? I think people would like it. We should kill a bear. Be fun.

sure you guys want to kill bear yeah i'm going bear hunting in two weeks you know i'm a pretty like i'm a master archer right you are pull it up yeah so we grew up we grew up uh we grew up uh uh uh right just a regular boy's called the recurve recurve bows yeah we grew up recurve bows and i'm uh burke kreischer elite athlete is this it yeah

And so I like to be sneaky athletic. I like when people don't know that I'm athletic, but I'm pretty good with a bow. We have bows at the house, but just recurved. I used to shoot with the girls in our backyard. And so we're doing a set of a show and Snoop's there. I was like, give me your bow. Take a look at my form, Cam. Tell me what you think. I think I did see this. Take a look at my form. Tell me what you think. What year is this? This was like three years ago. That shirt's sick. Yeah.

the fat underneath it is bothering yeah how much more did you weigh there don't let's not talk about it okay but uh the guy was trying to shoot a bullseye and i was like oh i bet i could shoot a bullseye yeah and they're like no fucking way and i just pull back and boom intense holy shit yeah there you go so we have bows at the house i i enjoy shooting i enjoy shooting pretty good but uh good i would love i thought it was gonna be have you seen that one where the guy was gonna shoot something off the guy's head and hits him in the forehead yeah yeah was that russian

I think so. They don't fuck around. They're just like, that's okay. Drag them off. Yeah. We were in Hawaii. We were in Hawaii on seat cases. They're also doing like car jujitsu, like seat belted. Oh, that's fucking badass. That's fucking badass. And phone booth. Phone booth. Yeah. They're out of their mind. Also, every pre-fight, like...

If they're going to fight later the next day at the, you know, like the weigh-in kind of thing, they'll just like crack someone's head wide open and be like, yeah. And you're like, dude, the fight's over. You're not fighting tomorrow. And there's no issue about it. It's never like a thing. Tommy, let's get into bow hunting. I think it'd be a really cool thing to get into. Oh, that's the other thing is, yeah, with Joe too, is like once you guys started hunting...

his training and regimen and weight was all about, Oh, hunting's coming up. Right. I got to like gain 10 pounds or I got to start to, it was all about hunting. And you've seen him be obsessive, like with your, the October, sober October. Yeah. Like, so that's what he is. And he'll,

He gets like that with archery. He'll shoot too much. He'll be standing out in his yard in Texas. It's 240 degrees out and just soaking, is drenched in sweat. And he'll actually, he shoots way more than I shoot because that's his brain. Yeah, that is definitely his brain. That makes sense. Like with the hunting too is,

people, you know, it would be good for you guys to expose a different audience to hunting because people have this misconception about bears. Like there's not very many bears. There's so many fucking bears out there. They have to be controlled because we just, we don't have unlimited habitat. Like back in the day, we, our cities have encroached. It's, you know, habitats are

is uh shrinking so we have to be able to hunt them and then people think well they're almost there's not very many bear no there's fucking a lot of bear and also the meat's good so people think they don't know you can eat eat meat so you guys telling that story would be incredible yeah that'd be cool what size i'm gonna buy a bow today what size uh what what poundage do i want um i mean you'll start low because it's you know when i had huberman huberman's jacked right yeah

His bow, he had to start super low because it's such a, you've shot before though. But when you haven't shot, like he hadn't shot, it's- It's a unique different thing. It's all, it's so different. But now he shot yesterday in his yard. We're sitting there and he's like,

The bow's turned up. It's whatever. But to start off, normally people are pretty low. Then your body, just like we talked about with running, your body adapts. And then you get the technique down. So what's low? Like 40 pounds is pretty low. So that's a good starting point for someone. Yeah, if you get a bow. And then if you could get up to like 60 pounds, you'd kill a bear pretty easily. They had a 60-pound bow on Steve Case's land in Hawaii. And it was raining. We were under a tent. And they had their...

You get the plastic pigs or whatever. And we were drunk. And I was like, yeah, bring the bow out. I bet I could hit the pig from here. And they're like, bullshit. It was all Travel Channel. And I pulled it back. And it's interesting. If you've never used a compound bow, you don't know that once you get to a certain spot, it releases and you can steady yourself. So no one on our crew could get it back to there.

Yeah. And then I got it back there, fucking lit it up from under a fucking tent in the rain, drunk as fuck. And these Hawaiians were losing their goddamn mind. Wait, what do you work? What do you use? What's yours at? Mine's at 90. 90. Yeah. But that's, you don't need to.

One other thing, because I don't want to forget to ask with all because we talked about like how, you know, you push yourself so hard and you do all these like incredible physical feats. What physically has been like has everything kept up pretty well? Have you had like major injuries or no? No. So like knees, ankles, whatever. Good. That's amazing. Yeah. All good. But part of it, too, is like, you know.

Living pretty clean. You live clean. Yes. And I eat. Do you take recovery seriously? Yeah. All of it. You know, I got the sauna, the hot tub. I get massages twice a week. I got a massage table at my house. Yeah. So they come in twice a week, do that. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I push hard, so I, I have to do all those little things. Yeah. You do that though. I'm fucking old, dude, 56 years old. You're not old. You're not fucking old. So it's, it's a, but I feel to be honest, I'm,

I feel better now than I did in my 20s when I was drinking and being a fuck up. So it's like, it's crazy what, and you look at me and Joe have talked about this because he's three months older than me, August and then mine's October, but both 56.

Back in the day, if you looked at somebody who's 56, you'd be like, look at that old man. Wilford Brimley in Cocoon was 52. Yeah. Cocoon, he was 52. And they're like, he's about to die. And you look at Joe now, he's fucking jacked. Right? And so it's like nowadays with the diet, with the supplements, with, you know, we know more, we train a little better. You don't have to be old.

You don't have to be old for a long time. Yeah. And I'm still very active. So yeah, I do a lot of the little things. That's awesome. To keep that going. It's awesome, man. But what I want to say, if you guys did, there's something, you know, when Joe started hunting, he was like, oh, this is how it's supposed to, it feels, if even shooting a bow feels good.

familiar, even though you've never done it, because that's how we've survived. We've survived as hunters and killing. So when you do it, you're like, why does this feel familiar to me? It's in our DNA. It is. It's there. This normal life that we do where somebody else is doing all the killing for us and they give us a tray with our food, that's not normal. That's not how...

for fucking up until you know 200 years ago or 300 years ago that's how it ever was it was always like can you be a provider yeah so when you are a provider and you're bringing that meat home to your family it's fucking powerful i bet i would love it i mean i know the power of when joe gives you yeah and 20 pounds of elk yeah yeah but for him it's powerful too so if you could do that and you say hey i killed this bear i want you to make a meal with it dude

There's nothing sweet. There's nothing, there's nothing in life that's going to give you that type of reward. When's bear season? Like I said, I'm going in two weeks. Um, you guys are, are active. Like what was, what was, why, why are you guys doing five Ks now? I mean, how much weight have you lost and how much have you lost? I'm curious. I mean, over the last few years, probably like

Around 50? Because I see old videos of you. It's like, fuck. Yeah. Like 50 pounds. I think when Tom hurt himself, it kind of... Yeah, that was like a reset. It was a reset for Tom. I remember talking to Joe the next day on the phone and being like, oh, we're... We've...

It's like when you start losing your hair, you go, oh, I got a foot in the grave. Like I'm dying. I'm, I'm, I'm, the body's falling apart. And that symbolic for, and at that moment I realized we can't go play basketball anymore. And I was like, oh, I got to change this. But I didn't for a long time. I even got bigger. I got up to two 80, probably maybe even bigger. Who was it? Who was I talking to? I was talking to Matt Mitrione.

And he said, what's the fattest you've ever been? I said, 270. He goes, 285 then. And I went, no, 270. And he goes, buddy, the day you didn't get on the scale, that was 285. Yeah, before he took a shit. Fuck. And so, but then I think this, Tommy's transformation was inspiring. And then...

I just got to a place where I was like, this isn't... I'd have friends in high school that I went to high school with go, this isn't who you are. I know this is like a thing that you know you're doing really well, but this isn't who you are. And I went out and did Amelie when I was really fat. I did Amelie and I hit a home run with the kids. I went out to take batting practice. I hit a home run. And I was like, oh, this is who I used to be. And I was like, I got really into...

um and i got really into fucking obsessive almost now i don't know i think it doesn't lend it's your comedy brain well when you're thinking about your workouts and you're thinking about your runs it's better to be a fucking stoner sitting on a couch just going like you know whatever i'm just gonna think of jokes all day but i'm i'm so fucking happy yeah i like it way more i like it way more i feel joy but when you're

I mean, when you're running, don't you have some good ideas? When I'm walking. Walking. When I walk, if I go for a hike, I can think real clean. And when I run, my brain shuts off. Okay. Because I know when I'm... I have to use my notes thing on my phone because I'm like... Sometimes it's weird. It's like...

you think after you do a run, you'd be in a better mood, but when I'm running, sometimes I obsess about things. I get pissed off. But then also sometimes I think about like just lines that are just perfect for like an article or something or, or whatever I'm working on. And I have to stop and remember because it's like, Oh, if you say, Oh, I got to remember that. I fucking can't. Walks are incredible. Walks are perfect. Incredible for that.

Do you guys like do voice memos on a walk or text yourself or something? Yeah, I do voice notes or I'll even, you know, stop, type something out. Yeah, it comes to you. Yeah, but the lifestyle of focusing on being more active, like, you know, on tour, we basically, we land...

drop bags go to the gym or drop bags go for a run like yeah and and it's part of the routine part of the routine and then our eating is much much cleaner than it used to be you know it's like it's pretty clean eating like yeah always kind of in hunt of some type of protein yeah you know on the road and like I just feel better and then it's

you know i'm always trying to get better sleep like that's a that's a big part of it well so you guys have never been you know bigger like as far as popularity and it's like do you think it goes hand in hand with like this elevated living that you're doing like more healthy living and now you're able to to perform at a higher level i don't know i know it's not possible to do the touring i've been doing

if I were living the way I lived 10 years ago. Yeah. It would be impossible. I was going to die. I was going to die. You're generating so much, like with all the podcasts and the fucking events and the... You can't live... I mean, that's a lot. No, it's taxing, man. And all the travel. But you built your bodies up to be able to do it. Yeah, in a way, it sounds bizarre, but it's kind of like our...

our hunting season, right? Like if you... Purpose. Yeah. But like you have to be able to be on six flights for five cities this week and do, you know, things that you got to be here at 9 a.m., here at 1 a.m., go do the show, get on a plane, travel to the next city. If you were just...

drinking, eating like shit and not exercising, there is a breaking point in that. You can probably do it if you're doing that at 25, 30 maybe. At 51 it's tough. You can't do it much later. I travel with a gym. Even when I was my fattest, I was still working out. We travel with a gym inside our bus.

But for me, it is, I mean, like clockwork every day at 6 p.m., we go to the arena's gym and we work out hard as fuck up until 7 o'clock. Mike, what do you do? Everything. Like weights mostly? Mostly weights. Mostly weights, get on a treadmill, do an assault bike. They have great gyms in the arenas. So you can use the fucking bull's gym. Do you know who's fucking…

hardcore with the working out. But I mean, I know he looks great, so it's not that big of a surprise. But when we got to see it in person, I was playing, I don't remember if it was like Salt Lake or one of those, one of the arenas. And as we were wrapping up, there were trucks coming in.

And one of them was a massive mobile gym. And I'm like, whose fucking gym is this? Like Tim McGraw. Oh yeah. And then they're like, they go, then one of his guys, like, you want to check it out? And I go, fuck yeah.

So he takes me on a tour inside of this thing. And it's like, you know, it's like a really nice gym you would find at like, let's say, an upscale hotel. Like has all the compartments, sauna, cold, like, you know, cable stuff, dumbbells, bench rack, you know, everything.

And I'm talking to his guy. I'm like, so what, how, like, how much does he use this? And they're like, how much does he use this? They're like, he's in here probably like three, four hours a day. And then I'm like, what? And they go, yeah. And he makes like crew members and band members train too. So a lot of times he'll do his thing.

with them from this to this time people break and then he comes back and does it's like couple more hours getting fresh fighters in every round yeah and he looks amazing he does i he loves wearing those tank tops with the sleeveless shirts and his arms are freaking shredded he's jack dude he looks great yeah yeah but he's he's like hardcore with it yeah it's awesome i can tell yeah that's that's cool uh cam thank you man thank you just thank you you're thanks for coming to the

5k it was awesome um you know hopefully we get you to the next one we do oh yeah and let's kill a bear let's carry a bear and i'd like to carry a rock maybe up a hill or something one day with you it i'll just say it was it was an honor to be involved in the in the event because i saw it was so much positive energy life-changing energy it was incredible to see what you guys kind of just talking bsing

came up with this idea and to see what it turned into unreal. And then just being all, you guys welcome me and have me on the podcast. And I'm so thankful for, for you guys. You're an inspiration. Yeah. Your friend is, is,

and you know i i've i've probably overshared because i was drunk but you're an inspiration and i i love your videos you're the reason we know who's going to carry the boats if he if you hadn't worked him out that hard he never would have yelled that wild that's all anyone yells now it is so that is such a great day but yesterday

kind of rivals it. Yesterday was, was powerful, just as powerful to me. It was so cool to see. And so thank you. You make me want to go out for a run now. Yeah. Let's yeah. Let's link up again soon, man. All right. Fun. Sounds good. Thanks. Awesome. Thank you, brother. One goes top of the other. Where's the shirt? Tom tells stories and Bert's the machine. There's not a chance in hell that they'll keep it clean. Here's what we call it.

Two bears, one cave.