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Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching band to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.

Today's episode is sponsored by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show. DraftKings, the crown is yours. I remembered what I was going to say. I was talking about Monte Williams being fired after one year, and they tell you to hire people slowly and fire them quickly. But in sports all the time, and this is your frustration with the heat at the moment, the changes get made too slowly. So I really respect that those 28 years of hockey that were mediocre are now

then produced a season that was the most overwhelming offensive season that the sport has ever seen during the regular season. They got choked out in the playoffs. I would have run it back with that team because most teams would. They wouldn't blow it up that fast. Boston had to lose a couple of times before they traded Marcus Smart. They blew it up so fast and were rewarded for blowing it up.

I think that was a special moment in time. People from the national media have reached out to me, I guess in preparation for if the Panthers win. Because I'm proud that...

People would approach me as like a voice of the fan. And that was an interesting moment in time, that Huberto move, because you could see we were so starved to be in that conversation that guys like Chris Whittingham, they took that very difficult. The tweet is still up announcing the trade. And if you go through the replies to that, it's...

fairly embarrassing in retrospect. That's a moment in time where our cumulative hockey IQ started to turn because for our entire existence outside of a flash in the pan that happened way too easily for us in 96, we were always five points out of the final playoff spot with two games in hand. Get the table. And we were so desperate to just finally be there. We hadn't won a series in close to 30 years and you finally get that

far, you think that you've arrived and they pull the rug out from under you and I just bought a Hubert O'Jersey, which is what happened to Chris Winningham. That's it. They had this fun offense. I finally rediscovered a passion for hockey and they're ripping it away. And then we realize now through two post seasons why they had to make that move. I was proud of us learning, myself included. I'm not...

I didn't have a frozen pond in my backyard. I got to listen to podcasts to understand what it is that I'm watching. I got to see stuff off the puck. I got to count on other people to see those things and explain it to me so I can – because I have a thirst for knowledge for this game because the more I care about it, the more knowledgeable I want to be.

and Dan Labatard and Greg Cody want hijinks. And I'm cool with it. I get it. I want hijinks too, Mike. No, no, no. You want exclusive hijinks. Mike, no. The exclusive domain of hijinks. I want to talk about how great that third period was, even though they lost the third period. I want to talk about how great four-on-four is. I want to talk about how great it is to call embellishment instead of flopping, and every

in hockey being so noble about it. It's why they get pissed off or this pissed off about the McDavid stuff. In this sport, you don't do stuff that's disrespectful like embellish. It's not honorable. That embellishment call. Come on on that. This is the second time the Oilers have... Good call. Embellishment every play.

I don't know how you embellish on a penalty that you draw, right? Like you draw the penalty. They're saying that you're faking to draw the penalty, but they're still calling the penalty. There was a former Panther, Mason Marchment, who got cross-checked in the lower back and responded in kind, as anyone would. It was a penalty for cross-checking. He also gets sent to the box with an ice pack on his lower back. Embellishment. I don't understand that.

It's either embellishment or a penalty. I don't necessarily understand how it's both. The third period was wonderful. It was so physical. Six shots for the Oilers there. You can make the argument from the 10-minute mark in the second period, the Panthers dominated the game. And it was all about puck possession for them because...

We talked about the golf and speed. One team looked really tired in the first portion of that game, and it was the Florida Panthers because it's been said on one of the 40 podcasts that I listened to that the hardest thing in team sports to do physically is kill off a penalty because of the stress that you put on your quads, on your core, the fact that you have to make up so much more ice because one person isn't there. It makes all the difference in the world. And we had several times this podcast

postseason, we've had our penalty kill unit on there for the entirety in our zone for two full minutes, no ability to clear the puck. And you saw Sam Reinhardt struggle to get to a puck that was just at the faceoff dot because he's got nothing left. And I thought, oh man, how do they look so spry? How are you going to close this gap?

Puck control. Forcing a puck battle. Dragging them into the mud and playing your game. You could see Florida growing into the game. They neutralized that offense. Six shots. That Sam Bennett opportunity there where most of the barn thought that that was in. You could see it there and that's why I think Bill Zito was so frustrated in that this team is so close and they haven't

actually had to be scared this postseason. It has been relatively charmed to that effect. No, it's here. The fear is here. Oh, it's certainly here. No doubt about that. And I will continue to argue that it ends up making everything better. When you talk about the penalty kill, Edmonton,

has killed all, they came into this series having killed 30 straight penalties. The Panthers end up looking pretty incompetent on the penalty. I don't think there's quite a better feeling in that sport than scoring when you're shorthanded. I don't know that there's much worse feeling than allowing a goal when you have the man advantage. The fact that Chris Cody is saying that on the power play,

When they get a man advantage in this series that the Panthers are minus one goal, they're

That stat couldn't be more stunning for a team leading 3-2 in the final. Like, it's not just that that stat exists, it exists with, and the Oilers have scored 10 straight goals unanswered during a period in the series, and the Panthers are still up 3-2 because of how weird the first three games were when you were actually able to hold down an offense and a power play that doesn't get held down. It

It doesn't get held down. Edmonton's power play scores. They are exceptional at it. There is nothing good enough to kill the Edmonton power play. And you've got people in the arena actually asking what Billy Gill broke the story on, which is can we decline a man advantage, please? And then they score a shorthanded goal. It truly is amazing to have random fans of the show and just friends of mine walk up and ask that question.

question in all seriousness after we discussed it two days before but Dan when you talk about Edmonton's power play there was a stretch dating back to the previous series Edmonton started 14 for 30 on their power play in this postseason so almost 50 they went five for their next 30 including those first 10 against the Panthers so it was the Panthers penalty kill but it was also Edmonton

was struggling on the power play. And now they're starting to get things going. And when momentum starts to switch in hockey, it is a little different than basketball. It isn't always that, hey, the best team is ultimately going to win here. Momentum means a lot. And that's why all of these jinxes and all of these things are bothering everybody so much. Sid Cicero said before game five, our illustrious Sid Cicero said that if McDavid wins this game, he is winning the series. I believe a lot of people

think that the entire series shifted because Edmonton was... I believe that a lot of people listening to this think that Edmonton is up 2-3. That's a good thing, though. That means the pressure is shifting. The last two games were carefree for Edmonton. No, no, no. Be clear on this. You blow a 3-0 lead in this sport, the pressure is on you. I'm not saying there's no pressure. The pressure of being a historic laughingstock is on you. But

3-0 and 3-1, you're carefree. We're already kind of done with this series. Now that it's 3-2 back in Edmonton, everyone, like you just said, is thinking that it has flipped. That does even out the pressure a little bit. I'm not saying that the Panthers aren't more pressure. They blew. The pressure is at max for everybody. No, but I think that, dude, up

That game four, they're carefree. They're just like, this series is over. They're assuming that they can stroll into that barn. There's pressure now for Edmonton. And that energy of that crowd will carry them and that this series has shifted to the tune of 80% of the betting handle being on Edmonton right now because most people think that with Edmonton winning game five, they've unlocked something here. And to a degree, they've had. Tactically, they've unlocked that Connor McDavid should be on the ice all

All the time when Barkov isn't because that's how valuable Barkov has been. And now it's on Paul Maurice to play the game of chess a little bit and match that. I like where the Panthers are positioned. I liked how they closed Game 5. I know that the approach to this game, if there's jinxing aside, one thing that I can guarantee you. Oh, stop with the jinxing. God Almighty, please stop with the jinxing. I'm literally casting it aside. So please, let me finish my point.

Jinxing aside, one thing that I have 100% confidence in is that the effort will be there for the Florida Panthers. And that's fine. Edmonton may be good enough to meet that. But I know that the Panthers are going to be playing a good game on Friday night. I don't know why it is that you guys would think at this point, given what everyone has gone through to get here and what we know about the hockey season, that everyone is physically broken. And this particular hockey season, which has been magnificent.

I don't know why you guys don't think that pressure and effort is at the maximum of wherever it is that human pressure and effort reside in sports. Because the players are telling us so in post-games. Yeah, no, it kind of got to us. They flew our family in for game four, and we kind of were a little jaded to play.

to start that game. And they came out flat in game five for whatever reason, and they turned it on there. I think that the Panthers, having the last two results, are going to be fine on Friday in terms of effort. And now Edmonton's got to find that extra motivation. There's plenty of...

when you're facing elimination, especially in game four. I don't know if that dissipates a little bit. I don't know if momentum actually carries when you have like a 72-hour gulf in between. I just don't buy any of this. These people want to win the most that you can maximum want.

to win. They're human, dude. They're human. Like, if you're up 3-0, you can kind of think, like, yeah, you can be lulled into thinking we're so much better than these guys. It's why Ray Allen was so mad about the yellow ropes, right? It's like, get those out of here because he's the underdog looking at a team that's resting on their laurels saying, hey, we're going to win. And

It changes your mentality. You're a human being. And good luck finding anyone in hockey that's not going to speak about the mental aspects of this game and not actually assign that stuff real value. No, you can give it value. And I can say they're giving maximum effort. And then Ekman Larson forgets with 18 seconds left because he's human.

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It hit me. Stugatz. He gives them one of these and he gives them one of those. This is the Don Levitas show with the Stugatz. I am indeed winded, breathless, scared and sweating an inordinate amount. It is not because I'm standing.

It is because Connor McDavid is that kind of scary. You have to beat the best in order to win that trophy and what exceptional punctuation it would be either way on this story.

Either way, what exceptional punctuation to the season. If Connor McDavid somehow comes back with a historic, unprecedented comeback, that would be amazing. And if the Florida Panthers win the title over Connor McDavid playing that way,

It would be amazing. But imagine my frustration yesterday, okay? Because that really happened with Stugatz. He said to Roy, hey, Roy, I'm rooting for you. And then they told him, no, we'll have the day off tomorrow if the Panthers lose and we're not celebrating a title. And he just walked out the door and the echo was, go Oilers. That's the last thing that people heard. And we haven't seen Stugatz since. Imagine my frustration yesterday, woke-a-tard on Juneteenth,

Trying to get Roy and Carl and everyone else yesterday to work because I thought we should do a show for our fans. Happy June. 10th. I really did think we should do a show yesterday because of that loss and how it went for Greg Cody. Happy June. 10th.

And you can imagine my... Is that Carl? Yes, Roy. Happy June. Roy forgot to do it. Carl worked all day yesterday making flights to Edmonton trying to plan live watch parties. I almost went to Edmonton. That almost happened. Here I am. We're going to do tomorrow a show with Greg Cody here. I'm not kidding you when I say...

that I would be fine doing a pregame show from now until the end of that game. I know we can't do it and we won't do it because you're not allowed to do that to your employees. It's a human resource problem. But you do understand that I, yesterday, was actually trying to figure out how we could ignore a national holiday as a company. That's something that happened.

Also something that's happening is that people are writing in that Witty is smiling, that Chris Whittingham is smiling. There is simply no way that Chris Whittingham is allowed to smile when his reaction to Kachuk being traded for was this. I would like to disappear in the playoffs again. We won't be in the playoffs. Because of empty stats, Matthew Kachuk. The coach came in and was like, the style is going to change. We're going to play playoff hockey in the regular season.

Listen, pal, if you're six points out of the final playoff spot, you're not playing playoff hockey in the playoffs. I'm trying to play a more playoff-style type of hockey. That's what he said. Playoff style. Nonsense. Playoff style. Are you going to play playoff style from home? I'm still offended at the opening night broadcast from the Florida Panthers when they came out and said, we've got to sell what we did in this offseason to the fans.

And so what we're going to do is we're going to tell everyone we're going to play playoff-style hockey in the regular season to get you ready. And then to go right back to being outside of the final play. I'm offended. I'm still offended. It's so arrogant. There's so much hubris in it.

You guys were playing that little tippy-tappy fun stuff in the regular season. That stuff isn't working the play. We're going to play man hockey now. After that unprecedented success, we're done with it. Why did they break the team up? They didn't break the team up. They just broke the team up. They didn't break the team up. They changed the stock. They changed coaches. They broke the team up. You and Hoover know. You just won't get over this. They won that game.

I have

no feeling towards this team none they ripped the soul out of it this has been every hockey season we check in at about now which is to Zazzle's point exactly why it's so fucking ridiculous that they broke the team up you were saying you're changed stylistically and you swap superstars to a player who does not match the style that you had before he's not

They lose terrible games. They're not fun to watch. They don't have any discernible style. They play like all the other hockey teams. And in the middle of it, there's a very standout individual who is getting his stats, but it's very clearly not helping the team win with those stats. Listen, pal. It is so brutal. I don't know. Is that as bad as the montage that's been put together on gas bags who were talking about the Celtics during the season and getting all of it wrong? And here's what I'm going to tell you today.

Shit.

And here's what I'm going to tell you today.

I got the Dallas Mavericks. I think there's going to be a parade in Dallas. Who do you really beat, though? Who do you really beat? I have Dallas. I think Dallas will win. Dallas. I got Dallas winning. I think Dallas will win. So nice. We played it twice. Don't know why we did that. Instead of talking about Tua here and the fact that he's going to get Trevor Lawrence money, instead of talking Calais Campbell or some really important stuff going on behind the scenes with the ACC and the University of Miami, I'm

Because the Panthers are dominating everything, I legitimately want to ask you guys the question of the last time that you felt like this. Because the heat of Jimmy Butler against Denver didn't feel like this. I have to go back 10 years to the feeling that I presently have right now. I have to go back 12 months.

to when the Miami Heat blew a 3-0 lead. That's exactly right. And had a buzzer beater do them in in game six to make them go to Boston for a game seven. That was worse than what I feel right now. I understand why people are nervy. I understand you kind of feel alive and you're scared. I'm not quite there because honestly, I don't mean to blow smoke here, they're a game away.

from lifting Lord Stanley. We said, worst case scenario, they've got at least two chances at home to close this thing out. Even if it goes seven, you're going to be favored in that game. I understand game seven, all bets are off. You just lost three straight to Edmonton, who tends to rip off these crazy runs after they lose three games, but...

I'm excited for Friday night because my team is going to play well in a game that they can lift Lord Stanley. I am not going to give you what you want. I was bummed because that was very expensive, but I am not running scared. I like my team here. Oh, no, you're doing something here that I'm not doing because you're making comparisons on just fear, and that's not what I'm talking about here.

You'll notice in that montage about the Celtics that last year I never predicted that the Miami Heat would beat Denver because I didn't think the Miami Heat was going to win the championship last year. I've watched this team all year in the Panthers. They're good enough to win the championship. But I've been saying that part. I didn't think the Heat ever were good enough to actually win the championship. What happened to them against Denver is what I thought was going to happen to them against Denver. And the reason I say... The real championship was the Eastern Conference Final.

The reason that I say that it didn't feel...

like this feels is because I now believe that the rest of the country wants something that South Florida does not want. I would be, if I were a neutral and I've been a neutral plenty, just give me more hockey. Give me more hockey. I'm always team. Give me more hockey. No, but I'm not. No, but I'm not talking about give me more hockey though. That too, of course, storylines, drama, stakes, put all of that on it.

But you so rarely know that you're watching history when you're in it. This season, Mike.

It's one of the best seasons. The ratings have skyrocketed because everyone knows the quality of the play from the top 10 teams. We were all looking at the top 10 teams and saying all of those teams can beat each other in the postseason. From individual performances, just echo your point, Dan. If you look at the early 2000s, the points leaders, and you compare it to the individual brilliance that we've seen from the game's superstars this year, where like

The guy that's 37th in points in the NHL, it's something ridiculous like that this season, would have won, would have had the most points in the mid to early 2000s to having 10 teams or approximately 10 teams above 100 points. It has been a massive achievement to get to this point, to have two teams,

be head and shoulders better than everybody else when everybody else is so good in this league is a monumental achievement. I can't help but watch that Celtics video with envy, them taking their victory lap because... Should we watch it again? No, I don't want to see it for a third time. Thrice. Because, like, this is...

I haven't been a Boston hater. And thankfully, I haven't seen too many social videos from their celebration down here in Miami, which makes me believe that people refuse service. Luther Campbell is furious at everyone in Miami who has even allowed the Boston Celtics to land and have a drink. One of my dear friends operates space. He told me, like, if space were open, we'd straight up tell them no. Joe Cronin's not allowed to step foot in space. Powerful.

The Boston Celtics could not spend 12 hours celebrating with their own fans. It was pretty funny. But I watched that video and...

and i'm gonna make it about my team and the panthers can you imagine this postseason run not having to go through vasilevsky not having to go through swayman not having to go through shusterkin and then when you get to the finals conor mcdavid has an upper body injury that is what the boston celtics got to celebrate and you were rooting for a mcdavid injury uh in game no no i put it no no i wasn't rooting for it i wasn't rooting for it i

I wasn't rooting for it. That's crazy. I was just asking Mike Schur if he wanted to consider how valuable an injury would be to the opposing team's best player in this moment because that's what he lived through the entire postseason. Two months of, wow, we just show up and their best player is out. Incredible.

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This is the Don Labatar Show with the Stugats. The reason that I say that this feels to me like 10 years ago heat isn't just the stakes of everybody in the country. And in this case, it's everyone in North America wants something different than what is wanted down here.

It's also, I'm watching Gretzky and I know I'm watching Gretzky and you gotta beat Gretzky. Like that part of it makes it, like ratchets all of this up to a place like, are you shitting me? The team that wasted the

prime of Pavel Bure, the team that wasted the prime of Pavel Bure is going to knock off the best any of us have ever seen? That's why I don't think anyone should be rooting for Florida outside of Florida Panther fans right now because you've only seen this sport the last time a team came back. The only other time a team has come back from 3-0 down to win a series was in 1942. People hearing my voice right now, they're not even sure. The internet has rotted everybody's brain that people aren't even sure if the earth is that old.

Right. They want to see. 6,000 actually. Yeah. They don't want to hear about Wayne Gretzky in 1942. They want to see the best player right now. 1942. They want to live in those times. They want to live in that moment. They want to see it for themselves. They want to see the guy that was reputed to be the best player live up to the expectations when they finally got around to paying attention and they want to see him come back from a 3-0 hole. I get it. I totally get it.

The part that you don't get, though, is how funny it is that the person who has enraged Gretzky is Greg Cody, that that Greg Cody is in the middle of what has felt like the last few days. Like when I say to you that it feels like 10 years ago, heat against everybody during these protests.

postseason statistics that McDavid is putting up, there's nobody saying anything negative about McDavid except one person. And what's happened with all of the NHL media there is when the zombies in a quiet place hear a noise somewhere.

P.K. Subban, you told me, by the way, that he would do this. He was back to saying McDavid's the best player in the world after telling us that Barkoff was the best player in the world because he was shutting down McDavid. Now all of the NHL media is rushing toward the one place where one person is saying something stupid, and it's Greg Cody. But it's all they've got because why would anyone say anything negative about McDavid? Right. Right.

That's why it's funny. No, that's why it's in theory. It's crazy watching how it's shifted since game one because game one, game two, game three.

All of the pregame, postgame, national analysis, everybody's mentioning that there's rumblings of McDavid being overrated and sort of people expecting him to win. Nobody's saying Greg Cody by name. The moment that the Oilers start winning and it comes with

all of this McDavid onslaught, all of a sudden, hey, Dan Levitard, Joe, hey, Greg Cody, and they're finally using the names because they were fearful because at the beginning, the Panthers were headed toward a sweep. And now here we are.

He was still leading point scorer in the series when they were headed to a sweep. I mean, he's a brilliant player. And we tugged on Superman's cape. And we should keep doing it. And we should keep pulling on it. And we're not going to, unfortunately, because... Yeah, this is us not doing it. Dan, I agree. There's a disconnect here. I agree with you that if we win... I will agree that this was the fun way to do it.

No, I want to double down on the bet now. There's no courage in that. I know. I know you guys are afraid. You're adults who are afraid of jinxes. Adults. I had a car service for game five. I was pretty ready to have fun then. It was going to be plenty fun then. I wouldn't have been like sipping champagne at a Stanley Cup. If only we did this. You know what would have been better? If

If I waited until next week to have this. No, not at all. There was a national holiday the day after. Game five would have been sweet. Would have been sweet. Let's play for people. A lot of people objected to Jason Tatum saying, and I've seen this a couple of times before. This one's super interesting to me because...

For a long time, Kobe Bryant, trying to find his own voice, was just copying Michael Jordan. He would admit that in interviews and everything else, he was just copying him. And A-Rod, when he was trying to find his own voice when he was young, was always asking other people like Michael Jordan and Cal Ripken about how he should behave. Jason Tatum felt like he was summoning previous celebrations. A lot of people noticed this. It felt...

felt to people like he wasn't experiencing his own joy, that he was trying to experience joy the way he had seen it expressed by others. What they gonna say now? What they gonna say now? I know everybody will wonder what would happen if we didn't win. I guess we'll never know.

Now he's kissing the trophy, doing that photo. Now he's doing the pour the champagne. I hadn't noticed all of this. He also did, like Garnett. This is the one that was cringe. Yeah, he threw his head back like Garnett. We did it! The I guess we'll never know is ripping off a Kanye Grammy speech.

It's just, when it was in this, I was thinking to myself, this feels forced. The locker room is, what are they going to say now, is what Steph Curry said. It was very much a dude that spent the entire night on YouTube, how to celebrate NBA championship. And he was, I mean, he idolizes Kobe. He's very much a product of idolizing these guys. And whether it was subconscious or he was...

totally presence of mind and knew what he was trying to do. Like that was a dude that was super impressionable and put these guys, these idols on a pedestal. And let me acknowledge, we sound like haters right now. We just got to put that out there. Yeah, of course. But,

him putting his, like he's, he's bending over, got his hand, head in his hands. And it's like 10 seconds. And you're like, oh, he's going to come up and he's going to be bawling. And he's, he's not, he was just like, he did that for 10 seconds. More joy, Tatum. We need more joy. We need better joy from you, Tatum. Your joy is not good enough. Don't give off like you're crying in your hands. If you're not. Yeah.

The issue too is like you know how sometimes you think things you're doing or you're doing them for the first time but then subconsciously you've seen them in the back of your mind from other places. It feels like maybe he was trying to be genuine in those moments but all he had to replay is his subconscious of other people doing the same thing that he was doing. So it's like he was trying to be genuine. I feel the most genuine he was was when he lifted up his kid and then you see the confetti and pictures. That was a great photo. Make it about

the kid make it about look what we did together look you're on the court with me you're drawing up plays like a little coach oh my god it's so cool make it about that then you have your own legacy i do understand the hole it hasn't set in yet so it's like he doesn't it hasn't really hit him yet but it's just he can't just play that he's playing the hits when i was in first grade

playing basketball for Westwood. My winless purple team toppled the undefeated red team. It was a great game and we dominated wire to wire, wire to wire. Who was your coach, Mr. Berger? No, no, no. I think I predated Mr. Berger, but I left Miss Biddle's class for this championship game. And what I started doing after I hit shots was the Michael Jordan shrug because that's all I...

That's that's that's what you're supposed to do. So essentially, Jason Tatum was me in first grade when my purple team toppled the undefeated red team. Jack Nicklaus is the one that should be getting all of your rage instead of the old guy, Greg Cody, that you're going after. They replaced Hall of Famer Jason Taylor with 84 year old Jack Nicklaus. And he hit the drum.

the way that an 84-year-old would hit the drum. There was not nearly enough behind it. The crowd carried him, but go ahead and play that for the people so they can see how meek this is as an energetic celebration start. Please welcome 18-time PGA Major winner, Colin Chapman. Let's go! Let's go!

Bored and pathetic, Golden. All right, look, listen, as someone who's in the barn for every game, we judge this thing on two things, energy and rhythm. Energy, poor, admittedly. Okay, he didn't really move. He didn't really engage with the crowd. Mike McDaniel, great in this category. Now, rhythm, where Dan Marino failed.

He had the whole crowd doing a different chant. Jack Nicklaus nailed the actual rhythm of it. Let's go. He's an 84-year-old man. How much energy can we expect from him? I give him a B+. The rhythm is fine. That's the most important thing to me. If the crowd can follow, I'm telling you, if the crowd can follow with the chant, it's good enough. It was better than Dan Marino. I'm telling you. I operate on vibes. I was hoping for more.

Oh, no, it was bad. Everyone around me was like... I was rationalizing. I'm like, he was on rhythm. He was on rhythm, right? That's good enough. And we ended up losing, so... It was more the reaction, like, before the game, telling my friends, hey, did you know who's doing this? It's Jack Nicklaus. Oh, and he replaced Jason Taylor. Everyone's reaction was like, wait, what?

What? If the Panthers lose Game 6, we have to rally to get Greg Cody to bang the drum in Game 7, right? No, Jeremy. He's done enough. I mean, that could be his redemption. Come on. Who would be Game 7? We could start playing that game. Dwayne Wade, maybe? Oh, man. What happened? I thought you were going to win Game 6. You don't know how to talk about this. You're afraid of everything that you say. Tell me what I can say. I don't know what you can say because I don't, as an adult and a reasonable, sane human being who isn't crazy...

I don't believe that anything that I do has anything to do with whether or not the Panthers or Oilers win a game. That's where you don't get it. Yeah, I know. You're not a sports fan. It's the one spot where I wouldn't overestimate my narcissism and my power. Okay. You don't believe in any of that stuff. That's fine. But what you are controlling is how the local audience feels about it.

And I do think if I can speak for many people that asked me to relay the FUs that I sent you via text, you are kind of ruining this. Right. And and this I've heard a number of different times from people and what I say to them in relation to this show, whenever it is, they file this criticism, which is often incorrect.

and is more now than ever is my responsibility is to the entire audience, not just the South Florida audience. I celebrate South Florida all the time. I represent South Florida all the time. But our show and our audience doesn't talk about hockey for 20 years and suddenly won't shut up about it. And I know I'm alienating the other people who don't

like hockey and so I'm putting a circus tent around it so that when you talk about how they should use Montour on one of the lines, it is draped in Greg Cody's ignorance so that we can have range on what it is that we're doing. Do you think we've been rangy? Not enough, no, but I've wanted to do live parties with you, Roy, and Chris and you can't come because you're too busy going to the game. Because we love hockey. Yeah, this is a...

I've never been this close. Never been this close. It means a lot to me. And like I told you, like it hurt me to see fans of the show say like, they see me out. I know that people love this show. For them to say screw Dan Lepitard and things to that effect. Like you've always been, yeah, I understand. Like you have to do a national show, but you've always been prideful in that you take South Florida to the nation. For all the other championship runs, you've never been viewed through this prism right now.

And it makes me a little sad. You want to be a national show, but we did a local New York show for a month. WFAT! I want to do both. I want to do all of them. And in fact, I want to do all of them, at least in part, because we didn't become a national show until all of the teams locally stunk and we were doing a national show locally. That's what we were doing.

There was so much shit being done during Dwayne Wade's entire 20 years here by all the other franchises that we became a national show because the local shows, local teams stunk. And what I am doing now with everything that we're doing, because we have now spent, and I assure you,

The national audience is not enjoying how much we're talking about the Panthers. And Mike says we can't do it enough. And at points during this, I have felt like we are doing over the last two years stuff that alienates our audience. And so I'm just trying to give everything that we're doing range while also mocking how stupid some of all of this is. Like, what better joke can we tell than Greg Cody being in the middle of this?

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