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Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching band to nowhere, Fat Face and the Habitual Liars.

We have failed again as a show, as we often do, not to bring you immediately or more immediately Stugatz's tears through laughter because of everything that is happening with his New York Jets. I don't think any of us had correctly predicted that the way that Aaron Rodgers to New York would go would be one season loss after four plays and nothing positive, and then the second season resulting before nothing.

You've gotten to the two-thirds point of the season, the firing of both the coach

and the general manager, and now reported details in The Athletic that make it sound like you've got an owner who is more meddlesome than any of us ever knew. Woody Johnson is the rare person who has both first and last name that would be a reference to penis. I think Dick Pohl is the only other one anywhere in sports, I think. Dick Carter. I'm on it. Former NBA assistant coach, Dick Carter. He's right, yeah.

Dick Carter. Harder. Harder. Yeah. Schlong Wiener. Hmm.

Where did he play? Tell me more about 1880's second baseman for the Cleveland Spiders. Yeah, Spider, you knew. Shlong Wiener. You knew he was a spider. He played at Moorhead State. Woody Johnson is the actual name of your owner. Both of his names are a reference to penis. He is meddlesome. He is somebody who has some of that reputation, but even you had to be surprised by some of the details in The Athletic. Now, I don't know

There were like eight bullet points I saw on just meddlesome behavior that suggested, and this is true in a lot of pro sports. Hell, Amin can tell you this in Phoenix, where you can have an organizational structure that is otherwise sound, and the owner's just a crazy person who likes to play with his toys and just makes a mess of things because he wants to change the quarterback on you. One of the details that I did not read in that story, but saw elsewhere on the internet that I don't know if it's true or not,

that I would like verification on. Did Woody Johnson really go in after week four of this season and want Aaron Rodgers benched in favor of Tyrod Taylor? He did. Yeah, it's in the New York Times article. He talked about it with Robert Sala and Joe Douglas. They said, no, you'll embarrass Aaron if you do that. I actually, in this particular case...

I praise Woody Johnson for walking into that office realizing that there is something off with Aaron Rodgers. He's not playing as well. He's getting old. And having the audacity as the owner of the Jets to suggest to the coach at GM, hey, maybe there's a guy sitting on our bench that gives us a better chance to win. I'm okay with that. I am.

It's the first time I've been okay with anything Woody Johnson has ever done. Well, you're only okay, though, because everything that's happened since has been an unmitigated disaster that can only be put at the feet of Aaron Rodgers. Now, in hindsight, the way that you said yesterday that the thought of Michael Penix is the second-best rookie quarterback in the league...

The thought of what the Jets season could have been without Aaron Rodgers now looks better because you've seen what the season has looked like with Aaron Rodgers. So nothing could be quite that bad. According to that article, the argument back from the coaches and the GM was that basically the entire team would be confused as to what was happening. Oh, thank you, Izzy. I was feeling really tight. I appreciate you giving me a little oil there. But the reality is that they were worried the entire team would just sort of abandon ship and quit if...

If Rodgers was immediately benched after just four weeks of poor performance, but that's why Salah got fired a week later. The Jets were also 2-2 at the time. Like, there's no way you would have been okay with that happening. Now, granted, they went on to lose one, two, three, four more after that loss. They lost five straight. Yes.

But had they lost those five straight with Tyrod Taylor, you would have been crushing them. Like, what are we doing? Why did we bring in Aaron Rodgers to have him on the bench to have Tyrod Taylor playing to lose five straight games? It's just the results is why you're fine with it. Regardless of what could have happened...

What we can now, and you touched on this earlier, Dan, assess is the tenure here in New York because it's over. He's not coming back next year. This is from SNY's Connor Hughes. He said it's very clear the organization is going to find a new quarterback. The Aaron Rodgers tenure with the Jets is going to be over. They're not going to find a coach handpicked by him. If you pay attention, he really only went there because Nathaniel Hackett was there. Hughes suggests he didn't want new. He wanted the same old familiar and didn't get that.

And besides judging his New York Jets tenure, you can also look at his personality a little further and say, hey, maybe he was his own worst enemy in Green Bay. And he absolutely should have won more than one Super Bowl. I think one of the questions that nobody asking is Woody Johnson is the fourth and his name is Robert Wood Johnson, the fourth. So his middle name they decided on is going to be Wood Johnson.

Just W-O-O-D. And not just that, he's the fourth one. So four people in his family have the middle name Wood and possibly another one. How did that become a name? Because I always assumed it was Woodrow Johnson, but it's Robert. I guess there's a Bob and a Bobby already since he's the fourth.

And then they said, you know what, we're going to stick with Wood as a middle name and you're just going to be Woody. All good questions, Billy. None of which we have the answer to as I stare blankly at you. I don't know how Wood became Woody. I don't know how his name became Woody. Well, I can guess how Wood became Woody.

I don't know how Wood became a middle name. Wood was the middle name. They made him Woody. You can guess, yes. You can guess how Wood became Woody. You can't know for sure why Robert was replaced. You don't know as we sit here how it is that all of this escalated to he preferred Wood and Woody to Robert. I don't know what's wrong with Robert. I know why Robert Sala was replaced.

Well, one of the details in the story is that he fired Sala without telling anybody, without consulting anybody. He did that a week later after he suggested that Aaron be benched, and everyone dismissed it. Because he suggested benching Aaron, and he got pushed back. So he's like, you know what? I'm doing this one on my own. So, Billy, I understand your point. They were 2-2 at the time. But that was coming off the 10-9 loss to the Denver Broncos. Revenge game against Nathaniel Hackett. Aaron Rodgers played terrible. And maybe what he said to himself...

Because I know I was thinking it. Is he injured? Did something happen in week two? He's not moving as well. He's not playing as well. And then maybe Woody took a look at the schedule because it got really difficult after that and said, hey, Tyrod Taylor might be a better option. That Broncos loss, not that bad in hindsight. Mm-hmm.

Do you guys realize, as we celebrate America's most popular sport only getting larger at every turn, that many of these people who are wildly wealthy that you credit with being brilliant because they're wildly wealthy are fools about how to run things? Just fools. Jerry Jones was all in. The Jets thought this was a Super Bowl team.

The Cowboys thought they were a Super Bowl team. That's my favorite part about all this. It's not, hey, we're not as good as we should be. You start the season and say, I'm feeling good. I feel like we can do it this year. This is my whole thing about people calling NBA teams tanking.

like at least four or five years ago, a lot of those teams thought they were going to be good. They actually thought, hey guys, this is our year. We can actually make a pretty good run. And then by January you realize, oh, we suck.

And then they just start playing young guys or whatever. But that's the hilarity about both the Cowboys and the Jets. The Jets literally sat here for an entire offseason saying, man, if he hadn't gotten hurt last year. Ooh, but we about to show him this year. Do you remember that Thursday night game? Yes, but they said it last year. Hold on. Do you remember the Thursday night game? Yeah, of course.

Aaron Rodgers threw it all over the field and you guys were like, we got a quarterback! Yeah, yes. It feels like seven years ago. But that's the confusing part, though, is because they said going in, hey, we're a quarterback away. And now you're saying, no, no, we're any quarterback away. Let's put in Tyrod Taylor. We're Tyrod Taylor away, which is really, really funny. The whole thing with Joe Douglas, all of this is actually really fascinating because Joe Douglas –

Douglas, who was fired, he put together a roster that was good enough where Aaron Rodgers at least wanted to come and play for the New York Jets. Like, he got some really good players. He could just never land the quarterback. So he got Quinnen Williams, Quincy Williams. He got Sauce Gardner, Brees Hall, Will Anderson, Garrett Wilson. Got all those guys through the draft.

All of those guys. That's why this is kind of a coveted job right now, only because this is the most talented the Jets have ever been. Oh, I don't know how coveted the job is when you don't have a quarterback. You need to have a quarterback. Dan, I don't care about the Jets and the history. I know what a wreck of a franchise it is. It's a coveted job. Stugatz, the Jets have lost...

more than any team in the sport since 2017. That guy's their owner. This story reveals to everybody what it is to work for that guy. That kind of mismanagement is reflected in the standings, and you can tell me they have talent. They do have talent. But being a good quarterback away means you're not in it.

Like if you need to get a good quarterback to make your team good, it means you're not actually close. If you've got to find one of those, when those are really hard to find, I understand everything you just said, but it's market number one and the New York jets and plenty of people will want that job. I will tell you that a division that has Josh Allen at the top of it at his age, uh,

when you've lost as much of the Jets do and have, and have that kind of dysfunction. Like, yeah, okay, head coaching jobs are coveted jobs. But if you want to win, like if I'm Belichick, I don't want to go there. If you tell me I've got to win again without a quarterback, no thanks. Tried that at the end. Didn't work with the Patriots. If they draft his son, you think Dion wants to go there? How about that? Right now they're sitting at seven.

And, you know, as the season goes on and they get worse, they will move up in the draft order. So they can't address it in the draft. Also, remember, in Minnesota right now, Sam Darnold's playing on a one-year deal. J.J. McCarthy's coming back. Sam Darnold's going to need a new home. I mean, there could be a little homecoming here in New York. Stu, it can't be that coveted of a job.

if your owner is telling your coach to bench the quarterback. Like, when you have that type of owner, no coach is going to be like, yeah, I want to be a part of that. I would look at that owner today and say, that man's a genius. He saw what none of us saw yesterday.

He saw a tough schedule and a quarterback hobbling around at the age of 40 and said, you know what? Tyrod Taylor. There also is the unique situation with Woody Johnson where like he may be an ambassador next year, so he may not actually be there. So you may not have to deal with Woody Johnson. Hold on.

Aaron Rodgers might be an ambassador. I think he's just jealous. What if they're pulling the government? Wow. Then they've got to deal with each other again. The ambassador's gotten it up. I don't know. Okay. This is reality. Put it on the poll at Labrador Show. More likely to be an ambassador next year. A political ambassador, Woody Johnson or Aaron Rodgers? Do you guys understand we're at a place where the American government might feature not one but two people from the Jets helping run it?

Stugatz, more muscular. Mm-hmm. I have lost 10 pounds. Have you? Yeah, using my Peloton. I've had the Peloton in my house. So my daughter, she wanted me to get a Peloton. I did. She used it a couple of times. Yeah, great endorsement. But once she left to college and the Peloton was just sitting there in my office and it wasn't being used, I said, you know what? I got to use this. And I have lost 10 to 12 pounds, Billy.

So I started using Peloton as a bike. Obviously, that's like what they're known for. But recently I discovered all of the other classes that they have. They have like a series of weightlifting classes. They have programs, which for me, the programs is great because I don't have to think about what I'm doing. If not, I just go and I pick a class at random and I don't know that I'm actually accomplishing anything. I would like some recommendations on classes because I keep going to the same class. OK, it's the Grateful Dead class, by the way.

you do like a four week four program with Emma Lovewell. Right. I would recommend that one. Okay. Anyone can do that. Any level starts out, you know, easy and then you work your way up and then there's like a core program two that you can do after core program one if you want to do that. Yeah. If you graduate. Wait a second.

You have to graduate course one to get to course two, the harder course. Well, you can start at course two if you want, but I eased my way in. I did course one first. Then you can do some strength classes with Andy. Love a strength class with Andy. He really puts me through it. I get up and I'm like a sweaty mess. And I'm kind of disgusting and I love it. You know the thing about Peloton, Stugatz? What? Peloton coaches, they walk the walk.

Really? Yeah. Do they talk the talk? They have sub-three-hour marathon runner coaches. They have military-trained athlete coaches, former college basketball player coaches, and so many other well-rounded coaches on their team. All this experience really shows in their classes that you're never short of challenging. You can do some resistance band classes. I got some resistance bands lately. You're my teacher. Am I?

Yeah. You know, no, I'm not. Well, I just go with the program so that I don't have to think because I don't actually know what I'm doing. Anyways, what's the Mr. Olympia, right? Is that what it's called? Yes. The one where you go and you're lifting giant boulders. Yeah. We should talk to Magnus again. That's Mr. Olympia. Yeah. Yes. What did I say? Olympus. Did I? I don't know. Anyways, find your push. Find your power with Peloton at onepeloton.com.

Don Libetard. Again, started on the breakfast flan. Oh, man. I've been singing the song to myself all morning long. Breakfast flan. Stugatz. Have you never heard the breakfast flan song? No. Hit me with it. Okay. I wish I had some breakfast flan. Breakfast flan. Where can I find a breakfast like that?

This is the Don Labatar Show with the Stugats. Are we getting the Space Force back? Did we lose the Space Force? Remember when that was a thing? It was a great show on Netflix. Yeah, what happened? They stopped that too. Could you ask Roy Wood next week?

I like that show. But it was it was as a lot of things are going away now. I don't know if people are paying attention to this the way that it's that they should. But the way that Hollywood and media and everything are shaking, some of the things that you love most are going to be harder and harder to come by because corporations don't actually want to make anything interesting. They just want to make things that they know that are palatable to you, like the flux and the change in how weight.

to you get a load of how many of those University of Florida documentaries you get that don't actually tell you the parts of the story that you want to hear about because corporations do not want to offend these leagues. They don't want to bother these leagues that they want to get the live streams from, so you're not going to get interesting content anywhere. You're going to get sanitized content all over the place, but I would watch a documentary on this jet season if you show me the innards. I don't

I don't think people know how common what Woody Johnson is doing there is because I know people like to think of the idea of an owner being a leader who's hands off and then trust the people that he hires to be good at their jobs or to do their jobs.

But these are rich people with toys, man, and it's some of their favorite toys. They're not going to sit out the decision making. That's why he bought a team. He bought a team so he could inject his voice in this way. So he could stroll into the GM's office and say, hey, I think we should bench Aaron. They all have a little Jerry Jones in them. They're just a lot better at hiding it than Jerry Jones is because he wants to be on your sideline. I can't believe he didn't get his way.

An owner walking in and then being told something and being like, okay, you're right. Let me tell you the experiences I have of being an owner and not getting my way. It's every single day when I tell people they laugh in my face just like that. Every time I say to them, I thought when I was in charge, I was going to be in charge. And it's just guffawing laughter every time. You can't bench Cody. Come on.

Woody Johnson doing that to the Jets makes for such great soap opera to read about in that market. The Giants can have their quarterback situation implode more quietly than the Jets can fire a general manager because of how messy. We saw the innards of the Giants on hard knocks.

That doesn't give you a lot of confidence in Giants leadership, didn't me anyway. With the Giants, though, their quarterback's demise is a celebration. No one wants Daniel Jones there. He got that contract off of one playoff victory and one good game. So Giant fans are actually looking forward to getting rid of Daniel Jones. Jet fans legitimately thought we were finally going to win a Super Bowl, like we did. The best parts of the Giants on hard knocks were the GM's kid defense.

telling them that they should go for Jaden Daniels. Yes. And he was right. That's the thing about this stuff. We make fun of Cleveland's owner when he's talking to an unhoused person on the street and then hiring Johnny Manziel. But if Manziel had been great, that unhoused person would be running the Patriots right now.

I mean, in fairness, they didn't get a chance to draft him. It didn't fall to him. And he told his son, like, eh, he's probably not still going to be around for us. And he took Malik's neighbors. Yeah. Do you think Fox is pissed at the Giants-Cowboys matchup on Thanksgiving Day? And it's like prime Thanksgiving football. Because, like, the 8-20 game, which is the Dolphins and the Packers this year, I don't know if you guys experience Thanksgiving Day the same way I do. The night game is kind of like...

I'm sleepy. I'm checked out. I'm beat. Like, I will watch you, but it's going to be, like, off in the distance. Like, I am all. This is tryptophan or whatever it's called. You've had enough. Exactly. I'm stuffed. Like, it's coming out of all of my pores. This one's going to be on the phone in the bathroom. Yeah. Like, 820 is late on Thanksgiving. I'm stuffed. Okay. But the 4 o'clock is usually like, okay, 12 o'clock is a little appetizer.

Parade's done. Getting ready to go where we're going to go. 12 o'clock, we have it on as we're kind of getting dressed, ready to go. 4.30 is like prime time game. Like, okay, we're eating. I might miss a quarter. We're footballing right now. I might miss a course because I'm watching football. And the 4.30 football game that we're going to get now is Tommy DeVito versus Cooper Rush. Oof. Billy, is there any way? They should flex it out. They really should.

Is there any way that I can convince you daily to try and summon from the recesses of your mind something like that that speaks for all American sports fans on a truth so singular that everyone nodded and agreed with by the late game on Turkey Day. I'm done. And the television is far away and it's foggy and I'm like footballed out and turquied out and fogged out and stuffinged out. Yeah.

And I'm Chris Cody watching the game in the bathroom on my phone to hide from my kid and my wife because he's had too many beers. He doesn't want to be seen. And he's just sort of catching the third quarter of Cooper Rush against Tommy DeVito. Sweating gravy at that point. Because...

He's bet the game, though. There's no circumstance he would watch it, not even for his job. It's only because he's got over 23 and a half in the first half and C.D. Lamb over 65 yards. That's why he's hiding in the toilet from his family on a day for thanks. It's a rough day, though. It is. I'm with you. Well, this year we have 820. We have to pay attention. It's Dolphins before 30. That's the crap game when everybody wants to be watching. Yeah.

GameSwap? Yeah. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Amin, what is your Thanksgiving? You're not really a giant football guy, right? I'm a Giants football guy. But you are not someone who celebrates football on Thanksgiving, are you? Oh, it's on. I mean, it's on the TV. You know, there's nothing else really on TV on Thanksgiving, is there? One of my favorite things is just scroll through the channels on your Sunday, the counter-programming to football as everyone gives up.

Like you've got some local psychic from Hialeah is on television selling you herbs for an hour. It's paid programming, yes. It's amazing. No, it's so great. The programming around football that doesn't want to compete with football is just giving away hours of television. I love how NFL Network often will put the Thursday night game on at 1 o'clock just hoping that somebody just doesn't realize it. And it's just like, oh, football's on. All right, I'll leave it here.

You have the dog show usually right now. It used to be It's a Wonderful Life, but then the dog show replaced It's a Wonderful Life after the parade. Of course, History Channel probably has a Forge and Fire marathon going on.

Can you find for me in your files, Stugatz, a top five athlete name who canote penis, please? Top five athlete names that canote penis. How do you get that list to Stu and not me? I'm here. We're going to get to a back in my gay with you in a second. We're not. This is Stugatz's specialty. He's on your corner, Stugatz. You got to run him off your penis corner, your wiener corner.

It's your corner. It's got your name on it. Luther Head. Is that number five or is that a whole lot? I only have one more right now. What do you mean? I didn't write that. No, Amin wrote that down. I'm sorry. I thought.

I got a sheet that says I have top five athlete names that can owe penis, and it was over here. I thought you handed it to me. Dick Paul. Yes, I'm sorry. John Wiener. Pretty impressive of a student. Dick Michaels. He's a pro. I'm sorry. Any O-L-I you mean. Ricky Boner.

Do you know what I love? Stugatz hasn't said one on my list. This is great. Ricky Boner is not a player. Ricky Bonus is, but Ricky Boner was not a player. What do you call more than one boner? Bonus. A couple of boners. All right, OLI, Willie Long. Excellent. OLI, Chen Ming Wang. OLI, Dick McBride. Just somebody named Dick. OLI, Fat Lever. Oh.

That one's subtle. And Oli. Is it really? Fat lever? Wait a minute. You think that's subtle. So let me be clear on what you, oh, wait a minute. Let me be clear on how you define subtlety. Just to be clear. So you think saying someone's got a fat dick is subtle? Well, I don't think his name is fat dick. His name is fat lever. Yeah, he didn't say that. That's the subtlety, Dan. Oli, Roy McPipe.

That's not a real name. That's a real name. All right, here we go. We're in the top fives. Number five, Dick Butkus. Nice. Number four, Jake Glasscock. Got to be careful with that one. Number three, Magic Johnson. That's a good one. I had Lane Johnson. Number two, Dick Trickle.

Did I steal that one? It just says Dick in it. It's not even a connotation. What do you think a Dick Trickle is? I had Dick for meal. Yeah, he likes the butt kicks too. You're just saying people named Dick. Number one. It's not a real game. Number one. Chubby Cox. Well done. Subtle. First and last. How is there no Randy Johnson? Big unit.

He has two. He has two. That is correct. That is correct. That just reminded me, the day after my brother's birthday, what you shouting he has two is something that someone shouted once.

My brother ran through the backyard during football games because he did not like sports, wearing nothing except the prosthetic double dong. He'd run through the backyard doing that. The character was named Mysterio. He was 48 years old. He was about 35. I'm not even kidding.

You guys were talking when I came on here a little bit late today. You guys were saying that I should have helicoptered in because I was stuck in traffic and there was a vehicle fire out there that was very frustrating. I don't know how many... I haven't been late to work very often in my life. I don't know that there are a lot more...

frustrating feelings for me than just being stuck in traffic late to a responsibility. Imagine how they felt. I was going to say your car on fire would be pretty frustrating. Yeah, I imagine. They had it a little bit worse than I did just being frustrated and honking at them. I told you I was honking. Get out of the road with his trunk.

But you said I should have helicoptered out there and you referenced the story on Catalina Island because I did that when I got seasick. I helicoptered back. I think that story is recent, though. That was in college. Like I went into debt to not be seasick. Like it's not like I had money to do that. It's that's how bad it feels to be that kind of seasick.

That's what drove you down your career path and need to repay all that just from that one helicopter trip? Helicopters are expensive, man. They're expensive. I do think, though, Stugatz, that football is pausing to laugh at the Jets today for fooling themselves into thinking that this was a Super Bowl season after however many years of dysfunction there have been.

You are just numb again. You've already gone through the stages of grief of being mad at Aaron, wanting him off your team, being disappointed with the whole thing, and not having a quarterback. But you're still talking yourself into the idea that it's a good job to have, that coaches would want...

to have the Jets job as if there's something appetizing there. I just think it's the biggest market in the country. It's the Jets. I understand that they've had... Eventually a coach is going to come in there and he's going to get it right and get it done. Rex Ryan merely made it to two AFC Championship games and he's beloved by Jet fans. And maybe it will be a guy like Rex Ryan. I am done with Aaron Rodgers. The year I was looking forward to was not this year. It was last year.

year before the Achilles tear 40 years old after the Achilles while I had hope after week two because he played a really good game and they were two and two as Billy pointed out at one point I'm just done with him he's clearly not the same quarterback I don't know if he'll ever be the same quarterback I'm certain he Devante Adams will go somewhere next year and win the Super Bowl

This, meanwhile, while Billy Gill tells you and tells anyone who's listening to God Bless Football and anyone who's listening in this office that the Dolphins are firmly in the mix. They are in the mix. They are, very much. That the Jets are behind them. I'm just repeating. They fell out of the mix, the Jets, last week. Well, the Jets are out of the mix. At the moment. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

That can't be at the moment. You're either in the mix or you're out of the mix. No, you can go out of the mix and climb right back into the mix. You can't get back in the mix after firing your coach and your general manager. It's an uphill battle.

Too soon with the hills, but uphill battle. Right. I mean, 6-5 is the 7th seed right now, and the Jets are sitting at 3-7. The Dolphins are sitting at 4-6. They're right there. Dan, you've heard of the dead coach bounce? This is the dead GM bounce. You fire GM, and then the team gets riled up, and they start winning games as a result. I saw a graphic. Pro Football Network has them at 24% chance to make the playoffs. That's not bad. That's not bad.

Who's that, the Jets or the Dolphins? Dolphins. Oh, never mind. Where do they have the Jets at? I got to look. Okay, that's Billy's expertise right there, asking you the question you don't have an answer to. I don't know. He just memorized them all. Yes, I know. But usually it is that you ask the question and then the answer doesn't come back and someone's got to do work for you. That's usually the way that one goes.

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Don Levitard. Number three, Chick-fil-A waffle fries. Love it. Nah, I think it's an overrated fry. You guys go ketchup or Chick-fil-A sauce when you have the Chick-fil-A fry? Chick-fil-A. Polynesian sauce. Polynesian? That's my brother right there. Good call. You're my brother. Stugatz. Oh, my God. What a weird interaction. Wow. This is the Don Levitard Show with the Stugatz.

The Jets are doing a completely undesirable job. Like, their biggest problem right now is their quarterback. The problem is that's the most important position. Like, you know he's going to be gone, but you don't know who's going to be there, which is why it's a tricky situation. But like, to Stu Gatz's point, they have a lot of young pieces that are going to be there for a little bit. They just need to get

a quarterback to make it work. And honestly, it almost seems like any serviceable quarterback with any amount of structure in the organization will do better than what's going on here because they're just catering to Aaron.

Okay, but just before this we were saying certainly Aaron Rodgers or anybody would be better than Zach Wilson would be at the position. If they just had someone better than Zach Wilson at the position, they'd be a Super Bowl champion. And here they are with a worse winning percentage than they had when they had Zach Wilson. Aaron Rodgers, according to Billy, isn't even serviceable as the quarterback. Like, that's where he is. I am startled that you guys are making the argument on behalf of

The Jets being a good job because of big market and pieces when the best job there is, is go stand next to wherever Joe Burrow is. Go stand next to wherever it is the great quarterbacks are, and those are the safest places.

jobs to not have a quarterback i'd be real hesitant given what i just saw to happen to the end of belichick's career where i'm like huh when he had the quarterback that seemed like it went pretty well and then when he didn't it seemed like everything fell apart and now he's unemployed and he's supposed to be the best good quarterbacks are hard to get you don't think that gives you a little longer leash if you go in as a young coach that they think highly of but say hey oh he doesn't have a quarterback let's give him a couple tries with different quarterbacks hmm

I find long leashes to be overrated. I don't like them. You try to walk the dog, all of a sudden they're running around a mailbox and you got to do the thing. Can we be honest about Bill Belichick, by the way? Has it all fallen apart for him? He's got a 24-year-old fiance. He's doing fine. He's doing fine. He's on TV. He's roasting people. He'll get a job. He's going to get a job. It'll be better than the job he had. He's doing great. Do you think that the Jets' job is better than the Bears' job that will be available?

Or the Cowboys job? The Bears come with the same kind of stuff. Finicky fan base. Years of losing. It's probably a better job just because of Caleb. Right?

Like the idea of having Kayla Williams to me makes it a better job. But it's interesting. The Jets will have a draft pick and a high draft pick. I have no idea how good the quarterback class is coming out of college. But I am attracted to the idea of Deion and Shador Sanders coming together to New York. We're desperate. You make fun of us all you want, okay?

I don't care. Today's just another day. You can make fun of us if you want. I don't care. I woke up today. I felt the same way today as I felt yesterday and the same way I felt for the last 40 years. It's a lousy organization run by a lousy person who's a terrible owner and they can't find a head coach, a GM, and a quarterback. They are a disaster. Laugh all you want. To me, just another day.

To answer Billy's question, the Jets have an 8% chance to make the playoffs. Still in the mix. Yep. To answer a meme. It's a little outside the mix. It is outside the mix. Yes. What do you have to be at? 10% to still be in the mix? Double digits? I like 15. Okay. I feel like it's got to be over 25%. Oh, well, the Dolphins are out of the mix. You just moved that because you knew the Dolphins were 24. I think I feel like you got to be to be in the mix. You have to be among the.

the percentages that are in the three quarters. You can't be in the quarter that's not in the three quarters. OLM makes no sense. Damn, someone noticed. We just blew right by that. Outside looking mix?

Thank you, Jeremy, for catching that. I do appreciate that. It is Stugatz's sneakiness that would make him sink into I hope no one notices that. He blew right past it. You even said it. Yeah, that's fine. Just repeated it. I did. Amazing. I did. Thank you, Jeremy. You're absolutely right. It's an amazing show. You know what? I do deserve that fine. I'm going to pay that fine and a couple of others. Really?

Really? Rams are at 15%, so they're out of it, too. What's the fine you're paying here? I am paying the fine. I just by habit repeated the initials that don't make sense because I wasn't truly listening to Stugatz. Oh, thank you. And I also owe for calling Fubu or Fubo, Fubu last week. And I also called Derrick Henry, Derrick Harvey. I went to eighth grade with Derrick Harvey. Oh, word?

Look at me, Louie. I don't believe that that's a look at me, Louie. I think I need a new sound here just for name drops. Can you guys get me a new one? Because we're filing a lot under look at me, Louie, and it's not all look at me, Louie. So get me something that just sounds like a name dropping and then a big sound. No, not that one. Stop annoying people with that. Is Derek Harvey black? Yes. Yes.

Oh, man, I'm almost 100% on these, man. You give me a name, I know immediately. Stu dropped a name earlier that I thought is the perfect answer for the Jets. And those are the Sanderses. I mean, isn't that how you deal with sort of an obtrusive or an owner that just wants to have his hands on everything? Is just give him a coach that's going to say, hell no, I'm not listening to you. He had that and then he fired him. In who? Robert Sala.

I don't know if Sala has that kind of reputation. I mean, Deion can command that kind of respect from Woody. I'm telling you, yes, at first, this is how it works with all these owners. At first, yes, and then at some point, no. Think about Jerry Jones. He had Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson's ultimately, I'm a winner. Shut up. Let me do my thing. And at some point, Jerry Jones was like, nah. You got to think about the mentality of a billionaire. How many times in a day...

Forget about football. Just in your day, do you hear the word no? Right? Like there's no part of it. Also, you think the reason why you have a billion dollars is because you're the smart guy and everyone said we couldn't do it, but I found a way to do it. So you're telling me that this guy who's got billions and billions of dollars

who thinks he's right all the time, who's also an old white man, is going to let Deion Sanders, it must be the money, come in and talk about, I brought my own luggage, and it's Louis and all that stuff. Yeah, at first, he's going to be enamored because of the star quality. But at some point, Deion is going to say or do something that Woody doesn't like. And when that point hits...

He gets up and hit the bricks. - I would go another route with that. If you believe in general that one of these kinds of people who have this money are gonna turn over that kind of power,

to a quarterback family, a coach quarterback family, come and do that here. He just turned it over to Aaron Rodgers. Understood. Much easier to do it to one old guy who's been an MVP who looks like you and might act like you.

than to do it with Deion and you turning over the entire identity of your franchise over to this person. You're turning over your entire family legacy with this sports team is being handed over to somebody you can't control, don't know how he's going to talk.

Don't know when he's going to fight you. And it is just going to be as comfortable as Salah telling you no when you want to put Tyrod Taylor in the game. But I want to get to what Amin said here, where Amin said Belichick's doing just fine and then for some reason did the 20-year-old fiancé thing. When I'm talking about his reputation as a coach, you cannot tell me it did not take a hit the moment he did not have a quarterback anymore. And we watched what it is that that quarterback did. And then we watched the next...

cycle of employment in coaching leave him not being able to get a job because the Falcons, they preferred, are you kidding me? Yeah, Dan is right about this. I wrote an entire chapter about Belichick and Brady in my new book, Stugatzbook.com, Stugatz's personal record book. Belichick was exposed the second Brady left him. I mean, you have to admit that. First of all, shout out to the book. Make sure you get it. Thank you. Second of all,

With regard to Brady, yes. When you compare him to Brady, yeah. People are wondering, is it Belichick or is it Brady? Is it Belichick or is it Brady? And now people feel like, I don't even know if that's the correct answer, but people feel like it was Brady and not Belichick. Having said that, Dan...

He's been sitting this year doing TV, doing stuff with the Mannings, and shitting on all of these teams left and right. He's going to get a job. He's back. He's not gone forever. He's not John Gruden, excommunicated. No, he's going to get a job, but he's not going to again make the mistake of thinking he's responsible for all the winning and he can make any quarterback go 11-5.

He's not going to make that mistake again. Wait a second. But if he goes to a place like Jacksonville and suddenly turns Trevor Lawrence into, you know, a Hall of Fame quarterback, now the conversation with Brady and Belichick changes. You don't have Trevor Lawrence. You've got a 40-year-old quarterback and no quarterback for him. I said if he went to Jacksonville. I know, but we're talking about the Jets job and whether that's a good job or whether somebody would want that job. Dan, Dan.

no, no. He got the Jets job before and quit before he even did the press conference. He knows the Jets job is cursed. There's no saving the Jets. We're not saving the Jets. We're talking about Bill Belichick. We're talking about how he saves his reputation. And I like this too. Wait, if you go to Chicago, does he have the same sort of flip? Um,

Maybe, yeah, with Caleb, but here's the place he should go. Because if he can flip this quarterback, he's the greatest coach ever. Carolina. How about that? Here's what I'm finding about Bill Belichick and whether or not he's engaged. Apparently he's been shopping for engagement rings for his girlfriend of 24 years. I'm not sorry, 24 years old, not of 24 years. Hasn't proposed yet. There's a secret marriage trip planned. There you go. Hmm.

Look, things are going great for Bill Belichick. How secret is that marriage trip if it's planned? If Izzy knows about it. Izzy's plugged in. Via the U.S. Sun. I don't know what that is. You can't trust that. Wait a minute. What do you mean? Wait a minute. Who can you trust these days, Dan? You can't trust the U.S. Sun. EngagementRings.com. It was the first thing on Google when I searched for it. Why can't I? You can't. Top story. That is not credible.

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