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This week in Highland Heights, Kentucky, a bloody violent scene is explained when investigators delve into the crazy on-again, off-again relationship of a couple who met on Facebook. Welcome to Small Town Murder. ♪
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Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another crazy edition of Small Town Murder. And no different today. It is wild. The train never stops coming. It just keeps coming. It's full of cars as far as the eye can see. If we're stuck in a track and you go, wow, this is never going to stop. That's Small Town Murder. It's a train that'll never stop.
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Do all of that. Patreon.com slash Crime in Sports. What's there? Bonus shit. All of it. You can get hundreds of back episodes of bonus content that you haven't seen before immediately. Anybody $5 a month or above. It's a cup of coffee. We're going to give you a lot more. And we're going to give you two new episodes every other week. One Crime in Sports, one Small Town Murder. This week for Crime in Sports, we're going to talk about Hans Reimann.
He is the chess player that they think he had a vibrator up his ass to win chess tournaments. Fantastic. This isn't the first time something like this has happened, so we're going to delve into the weird world of cheating. Cheats of chess? Cheating and brainy, strange sports that aren't sports. Ha ha!
Professional board game cheaters. It's very strange. They'll go to any lengths, obviously. Clearly. Clearly. And then for small town murder, a subject I've wanted to talk about for years here on a bonus episode, D.B. Cooper. I really want to talk about that. What a story. It's so cool. And there's been new stuff in the last couple of years. And we'll figure out if anybody can ever figure this out. We can't wait. Patreon.com slash crime in sports. And you'll get a shout out at the end of the show. Oh, you bet. Jimmy's going to mispronounce your name.
That said, disclaimer time. Oh, boy. It's a comedy show. This is a comedy podcast. We're comedians. Therefore, jokes are made. It's going to happen. We can't help it. But there's nothing embellished for the sake of comedy or anything like that. These are murder stories, and they're really real. And that's what makes it touchy, obviously, to make jokes. So there's different ways to go about it. There's nothing funny about an actual murder. This isn't a weird show where we're like, oh, yeah, they cut her head off. Ha, ha, ha. That's creepy. That's creepy.
That's not what we're about. What's funny to us is, hey, I think I can get away with murder and here's how I can do it. Here's the dumb lies I'll tell. That's hilarious. What the hell are you thinking out there? So...
that's what we're making fun of. Uh, what we go out of our way not to do though, is we don't make fun of the victims or the victim's family. Oh, why is that James? Because we're assholes. Yes, sir. But we're not scumbags. That's how that goes. So if that sounds good to you, you're going to hear a hell of a wild story. If you think true crime and comedy should never, ever go together, we might not be for you, but maybe we are. I'm telling you, check it out. We've said it many times. Not as bad as you think. That's, which is a very weird way to promote your show. But,
But that's how we do it. That said, I think it's time, everybody. Let's all sit back, clear the lungs. What do you say here? Arms to the sky. Let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. What do you say, everybody? Let's go on a trip, shall we?
Terrific. We are going all the way down to Kentucky this week. Oh, boy. Into Kentucky. It's right by Cincinnati, though, so it's in that area. It's Highland Heights, Kentucky here. Northern Kentucky, obviously, over there. It's about an hour and a half to Louisville.
about an hour and a half to Lexington. So either way. And then it's about 10 minutes to Cincinnati, 10, 15 minutes. It's right across the river. Yeah, so you could smell Cincinnati. For sure. You can smell the sulfur waft over the river, I'm sure. And it's about four hours and 45 minutes to Paducah, Kentucky, which was our last Kentucky episode. Naked aggression and vicious violence, which...
That's exactly what it was. That was a wild episode all the way across the state. This is in Campbell County, area code 859. The motto of this town, growth through progress. Yeah, there you go. Good was taken. Yeah, it's not really. That's as basic as you get. They might as well have made it live, laugh, love. Like it's not even...
It just sounds like something on a lady's kitchen. She put it up and made it feel better. They could have got real creative in punny with some soup puns or something. Nothing. Nothing at all. A little bit of history, not much here. We got a lot of stories, so we kind of buzzed through the town stuff here. The area was known as the Highlands.
Since the 1800s, that's what they called it there. The District of the Highlands was incorporated in 1867, so a long time ago. Fort Thomas was separately incorporated from its northern area there in 1914. They got a local post office in 1927 and incorporated themselves as Highland Heights that year. They have Northern Kentucky State College here.
Also, which was previously in Park Hills and they relocated it here in 1971. Real powerhouse. Yeah. Now it's Northern Kentucky University and KU, of course. You know, everybody's everybody's betting hard on them in the tournament here in March. I'm sure it's Nick you going to Nick you here. Yeah. Which is what they also call the neonatal.
care unit at the hospital because that's where my kids were both born. The NICU, as they call it. It's got a weird connotation for some people. So there's all sorts of that. That's kind of the city. It's not a lot going on. It's mainly a suburb of Cincinnati. I mean, that's...
What it is, a lot of people live in Cincinnati or work in Cincinnati, live here. Reviews of this town, we'll do a couple of them here because they're all pretty similar. When you live elsewhere like that, do your income taxes get taxed by the other state or by the state you live in? I think you get taxed in, I don't know. Or do you get double? I don't know. Well, they can't take doubles. Well, maybe they can take double state taxes. Who knows? I'm not sure. Well, like when we perform-
Yeah. On the road. Yeah. We have to pay those states taxes for that. Right. And then we also pay our own. And then you go home and you pay taxes. Yeah. Because that's our income. But we when we get our money, when we do it, they take it away before we leave. You know, it's gone. It's gone in the in the thing. So they're like, well, this is what you're paying. Eight percent tax to whatever. Yeah. That's how it goes. So I guess you would do that maybe.
That's fucked up. I don't know. So you'd have to make a lot of money. I'm not sure. To make it worth it. Yeah. I'm not sure what the taxes are in rural Kentucky, really. I don't know how. I would assume minimal if you want people to live there would be my guess. Reviews of this town. Five stars. Here's one. Highland Heights is pretty neat.
Yeah. No. I was going to say, this is a high school student in 1957 that wrote this. It's pretty keen. Even though it is small, it has a Fortune 500 company and a pretty decent-sized college as the main focus. I've never lived in a place where I routinely talk to all my neighbors in a friendly, neighborly way. I would recommend it to anyone that desires a calm place to live. What's the Fortune 500 company? I have no idea. It's not...
Not part of the murder story, so I have no clue here. But they do have this next person is going to tell you really the nuts and bolts of what to do here. Details. The community is very good. It's a three star review, by the way. This community is very good because it is a common experience to see people walking the streets, walking their dogs or taking kids for a stroll.
That's a weird sentence. That's a very strange sentence. This makes the community much more lively and feels like a real good place. English isn't their first language, right? Or they're just from Kentucky. One or the other. They either have a very tenuous grasp of the language because they just got here or it might be a hill person. One of the two.
There is a good selection of stores and restaurants to choose from, such as, and these are the three they give you as the options, Cracker Barrel, Kroger, and Bob Evans. Okay. So any of those three. Yeah, chain stores. Now, three stars. Here's the last one. It's hard to judge since moving here so recently.
I got here yesterday, so I'm going to go out and review this. This is why we do your stupid opinions as a show. Because I got an idea. How about you wait until you have a fucking opinion before you put it in? Now you're messing up the rating because you're putting, I don't know, three stars, I guess. You have no idea.
You're clogging this up for no reason. No reason. People of this town, 6,896 here. Very small. Very small. And that's including a Fortune 500 company and a college. So a lot going on. If it weren't for them, Jesus. Forget about it. More female. The female to male ratio is way off here. It's 55.5% female. Wow. The college is probably a good reason for that because colleges generally nowadays have more female people enrolled. Yeah.
So more women enroll in college than men. So there's that. Median age here is 23.7 because of the college. So in the rest of the country, it's almost 38. Here, 23.7. So it's all skewed average. That's fucked. All the rest of the stats are skewed, too. 25% married because they're children. Most of them. The average person here is useless.
Is going on their way to class. That's the average person. Has no idea how to do anything, but they have books in their hand. That's how that goes here. Race of this town, 91.8% white, 4.2% black, 1.1% Asian, 2.5% Hispanic. So a little bit spread around here. Religion here, it is just about the national average, 50-50. And as you might imagine, in the lead here, actually it's not.
What you think it is. Not Baptist. It would be Baptist, but it's actually Catholics in this area. Is that right? Yes. Who knew that Catholics were the Baptists of the mountainous mid-southern border state region?
The bearcats. Civil War border states, I guess you could call. I don't know. Civil War bearcats. Very odd here. Unemployment rate here is 4.4%, which is a little bit higher than the national average, which is under 4 at the very moment. Median household income here is a little bit low, though. The U.S. average is about $69,000 a year here. It's $42,929. Okay. So not...
Terrific. Yeah, that's a lot of it. Yeah, it's just college kids, which they don't make any money because they don't have any skills. No, because they're useless. They're useless, yes. And half of that's probably OnlyFans money from these college kids. I would imagine 42 is high for a college kid. And 55%, fuck yeah, somebody's doing it. Someone's doing something. So cost of living here, 100 is average. Here it's 91, but the housing is low. Median home cost here, $188,000.
That's not so bad. That's damn low. Yeah, it's pretty low. So maybe that's convinced you. Maybe you're going to enroll in Northern Kentucky University, become a piece of the fabric of this community, a stitch, shall we say. We have for you the Highland Heights, Kentucky Real Estate Report. ♪ music playing ♪
The average two-bedroom rental here is about $1,190, which is about the national average. And it's staying there because of rentals. There's tons of rentals here. There's not a ton of houses. As a matter of fact, the only place listing that's really in Highland Heights is a condo. So it is a two-bedroom, two-bath, 1,066-square-foot condo.
It's a good-sized condo. $165,000, though, for that. Whoa. It's got old carpeting in it and shit like that. Really? Yeah, it's not brand new. Almost $200,000? Yeah, it's a little pricey. But if you buy that, that's something you can always rent that because there's a college there. Sure, yeah, yeah. So it'll always be rented if you have that. Here is a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,558 square foot in nearby Fort Thomas. For some reason, Zillow calls this a Cape Cod house, which it is certainly not.
Yes, Cape Cod style. It's not a Cape Cod at all. It's just a fucked up house. It looks like... I don't remember which one, but in one of the Indiana Jones movies, they had one of these towns that they would do nuclear blasts in, and they would have mannequins of a mailman and a guy out watering his lawn. It would see how much they would be fucking incinerated. It looks like it was in... That's where it is. And they decided now...
That the radiation is cleared, we can rent these houses out and sell them. And that's what this house looks like. It's fucked up looking. It's very ugly. It's a dingy old stone house would be the best way to put it there. Yes, that is $72,000, though.
Oh. So almost 1,600 square foot. So yeah, not bad. And here's a three bedroom, two bath, 1,160 square foot house. This is a, it's cute. I would say is the best way to put it. It sounds small. Built in 1910. It's definitely been updated to HGTV standards and it's one of those houses, but it is small and it's a cute little house. It's nice. Little old house, 263,900 bucks for that. So. Okay. It's
It's not that expensive of an area. You're not going to get no mansions around here, really, or anything. So things to do here quickly. All right. First off, the American Sign Museum just on the border across the river, technically in Cincinnati, but it's like really trying to get to Kentucky bad. Like road signs? Sign Museum. It is dedicated to the art and history of commercial signs and sign making.
Oh, so I like like an old advertising sign. That's cool. Like from the hundred years ago or something. Those little sign or something. I feel like this isn't that, though. I don't feel like this is like that.
I feel like this is a very niche museum. This is like nuts and bolts of the actual sign. I don't think this has to do with an advertising campaign. This is like now this is when we used to do it on the double sided plywood. Now, if you look at the paint, it's a grade two. Yeah. Why? You know, they give you the exact. This one's this one's behind glass because it's lead. It's lead paint. It's got if you turn the lights off, Bill, turn the lights off. See, it glows because it's made of uranium.
That's how old it is here. It's proud to be the largest public museum dedicated to signs in the United States.
Fascinating. There's 20,000 square feet of signs in this place. 20,000 square feet? It's like one of those giant sports bars near a stadium except filled with signs and not alcohol. Oh, my God. They can walk through the ages of technology and design. The storefront-laden signs on Main Street display recreates a typical Main Street USA with shop windows full of sign-related objects, curiosities, and samples. Great.
You can even take the audio tour on your phone, like Alcatraz, but signs and not a fucking crazy prison. Don't forget to check out Neon Works of Cincinnati, the full-time neon workshop located inside the museum. You can see tube benders working their craft making signs for sign companies today.
Wow. There's four people going to that. Put your tube away. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Calm down and put your tube away. Put down your tube there, pal. There's...
Who gives a shit? How long can you watch somebody bend glass? For like three seconds, you go, oh, wow, that's how they do it. Okay, and then you walk away. Otherwise, who cares? You heat it up. Look at that. Oh, it's softer now. Then it makes it pliable. All right, yeah, I guess that makes sense. And then also the Cincy Brew Ha Ha, which sounds awful. It is America's largest beer and comedy festival. Oh, yeah. That's a great gig right there, boy. Who's part of that? Well, let me tell you.
Yes. It returns to Cincinnati's Sawyer Park for its 13th year of painful torture. Yeah. I added that part. Featuring 40-plus beers along with over 25 comedians on three stages. 25?
The comedy is free, by the way. Fantastic. So that's who's there. Yeah, they're great. Nobody, because they're not paying anybody. They're paying people 50 bucks. They're enormous comedians. So local Cincinnati comedians are performing a very, very frustrating gig. That's what that is. College boys are saying horrible things on a stage into a microphone. While throwing free beer at you.
This IPA sucks. Free comedy. That's never good. Crime rate in this town, what we are interested here, property crime is about half the national average, which is odd for a college town.
Usually college towns, it's a good third to half higher because you're going to have pissing in the streets and drunken idiots fighting. There's tons of sexual assaults usually when you have horny, drunken college kids. College boys keying girls' cars. Yeah, for going out with somebody else. You went out with the quarterback and I'm the running back. I'm keying your car.
Violent crime, though, murder, rape, robbery and, of course, assault is about one third of the national average. So two thirds low, which is, again, very safe place. I mean, this is six thousand people. Yeah. It's like Mayberry with a college. It sounds like it's six thousand people with four thousand women. James, that's why it's safe. That's probably why more more women. And you can the faint crackle of Cincinnati gunshots across the river gives you a hey, let's keep it cool here, maybe.
Maybe that's what it is. Cincinnati can be a terrifying place. It sure can. There's bots. That Uber driver, that neighborhood he dropped me off in. Yeah. We were looking for Bogarts the first time we were there. He just dropped me off in a neighborhood and was like, here you go. I think this is it. Yeah, Bogarts is...
I was just in the ghetto. Great fucking venue. But boy, is that a wild location. And a few blocks away, it's really shitty. So bad that the guy came back and got me like two minutes later and he said, I'm sorry. He said, this is not. And I got my laptop, all my shit. I'm doing a show. You know what I mean? I was like, this is bad. Are you still alive? Get in. Yeah, he pulled up. He seemed surprised to see me, honestly. He seemed like, oh, good, you're still here. Oh, wow, I thought I'd find you in a puddle of blood. Here, hop in.
Like he left a band of cash in the corner. It was weird, yeah. Oh, thank God that's still there. I dropped my wallet and it's still there. That's perfect. That's the look he had. Surprised, though. Like, oh, wow, nobody took it yet. Wow. Let's talk about a murder, shall we here? What a strange, strange story we have for you. There we go. Okay. Let's start out with a man here. Let's talk about Ryan Poston. P-O-S-T-O-N. Poston. He's born December 30th, 1982. Yeah.
And we're going to talk. Yeah, he's a younger guy. Not an old man or anything like that. It's crazy. That's 40 years ago. I know. 40 years ago. He's born in Fort Mitchell, Kentucky. His parents are Jay and Lisa. His parents divorced when he's a baby baby, like pre-one years old. They figured it out early on. Yeah, they figured those 2 a.m. feedings broke them, I feel like. Yeah.
They broke them. He'll end up having three younger sisters as well from his mom's relationship here. Yeah, yeah. That was their first kid, and they were like, fuck this. We cannot get along. But the weird part is they get along outside of that. Like, they have a very good relationship, his parents. This is Tim. His mom gets remarried really quickly to a man named Peter Carter, and...
Ryan thought of Peter as his second dad. That's all he ever thought of because he was always around and the guy was real accepting of him and raised him as his own. And the father loved him too. And there's pictures of them all hanging out together with arms around each other. It's very nice. Ryan loved his stepdad so much he changed his middle name to Carter. His middle name? Middle name. He gave himself the middle name of this man's last name.
That way now he's Carter Poston. So that's his two – Yeah, that's a benefit of having a very first name for a last name. He almost hyphenated it basically. Yeah. Almost is how he did it. But that's pretty interesting. But he put it in front of the other last name, which is – that makes a statement too. Does it? I don't know where you put that. I don't know what the – If you put it like after your name, it shows a little more respect to like –
What was already there. But putting it before... Yeah, because most ladies will hyphenate a last name and they'll put their first name, their first last, the maiden name, before the new name. Their maiden name first and then they go with that after. That's the traditional name is. Okay. Interesting. And so if he's going hyphenated, it would be Poston Carter. But he's going Carter Poston, which is like...
That's a little more. Well, he didn't want to change his last name, I think, so he just stuck it in the middle. So just as a respect thing. It makes sense. Yeah. This is a very nice thing to do here. Sure. The Carters, though, they moved the family to the Philippines at one point. Really? Yeah. He ends up going to high school in the Philippines and in Europe as well, Ryan.
Yeah. Not because of the military or any shit? No, no. He's just a business guy. His family – he comes from very successful stock as we'll talk about. His success goes back generations. His parents are successful. Everybody is fine here. So he studied in Manila and Geneva while his stepfather was working overseas. Yeah. And these are like –
probably expensive expat schools too. These are, these are pricey places that like, you know, that Kim Jong Il sent Kim Jong Un to and shit like that. Cause I think he went to study in Geneva as well. Uh, he graduated, uh, high school and then he ended up going to the, uh, Indiana university. So, and then he, yeah, he had a triple major by the way.
Triple. Triple, which seems really ambitious, I would say. That seems busy. Wow. Political science, history, and geography.
All of the ones I'm terrible at. Yeah, you have to know where something is and what happened in 1821 at that place. And who did it. And who fucking did it. And why? Because it's political science. And why did they do it? What was the benefit to them? Tell me exactly where World War I started, why it started, and the date it ended, Jimmy. There you go. He would know all that shit.
Incredible. He'd know longitude and latitude. Yeah. Tell you all about the Archbishop. Where it started, why it ended, and the peace treaty signed and who fucking signed. Oh, yeah, yeah. Unbelievable. He'd be all about Versailles. It's all there. So he goes there. Then he goes to law school. He goes to Northern Kentucky University, the law school. Okay. And that is the Salmon P. Chase College of Law, which obviously we've both graduated from.
As everyone knows. One of my days there. Oh, God. The game was a dick. I loved it, though. You know, tromping around through the halls and all the partying and all the tort research. It was something. I really enjoyed it. Dean Thompson and that damn dog of his. Now, his grandfather, Ryan's grandfather, was James R. Poston Sr.,
He was a graduate of this law school as well and was the former senior counsel for PG&E, the power company in California. Yes. And the vice president of the Committee of 500 that rid Newport of vice and corruption during the 1960s.
He made Newport Beach be Newport Beach? I don't know if it's Newport Beach or not. It sounds like. It might have been. It's Newport News, Virginia. I have no idea. Or maybe like Newport in New England there where it's the hoity-toity people. I'm not sure. He's also the nephew of James R. Poston Jr., who's his dad's brother, who is a Fort Mitchell attorney and a graduate there as well. So he lives in a condo.
Here in Highland Heights. And that belongs to his mother and stepfather. And he rents it from them here. His dad is a marker. His stepdad, Peter Carter, is a marketing executive for Procter & Gamble. Oh, wow.
So that's what he's doing. Everyone in the, yeah, there's money everywhere in this family. They're a very good family that makes very smart kids that go to college and become lawyers and all that kind of shit. Great decisions all around. All around. Yeah. He had a roommate named Matthew that said they spent long late nights talking about political philosophy. And when they graduated or when they were going to law school, this guy was his roommate in his condo.
And his friend Matthew said he was one of those people who was good at everything. Law school wasn't hard for him. He just got it. It was something he really didn't have to work at. It came natural to him. That is really annoying. That really pisses me off. Law school came natural? How fucking dare you? How dare you? Holy shit, man. Just breeze through law school when high school was a challenge for some of us, you asshole. Yeah. Challenge? Challenge.
That may as well be a declaration of war on the Wismans. No shit. Well, you have a diploma, though. Jesus Christ. You have a regular diploma. Thank God for cheating-ass coaches and... I...
Otherwise, I would have been in your boat, man. We both have them. You'd have a GED. But remember, everybody, bow down to my GED because it's a high honors GED. It says that in print. I don't know if...
You all know that or not, but you should really probably. That means he could have probably done fine in high school had he just done the work. I really didn't want to, though. And like I've said many times, if I knew how little that would have helped me in my current profession in life, I would have done even less. I really would have. I wouldn't even have got the GED. Wouldn't have mattered. Who cares?
I grad schooled with a 1.2 GPA. Jesus, and this guy's breezing through law school. Motherfucker. Comes natural to him. Wow. His friend went on to say, I always said I wouldn't be surprised if Ryan ran for Congress at the age of 30. He was that kind of guy. He was smart. People listened to him when he talked about anything. He could speak intelligently on anything.
I mean, I can too, but I'm faking it. Yeah. Anybody could sound intelligent speaking on shit. He actually knows. He does it. Yeah. We can make shit up and sound assured. We're comedians, so everything we say on stage is a lie. Right. It's all bullshit. You believe it because the audience believes it because we're good at selling it. That's what comedy is. Yeah. It's a real catch me if you can thing. If we said something and you go, oh, I don't believe that happened, then it wouldn't be funny because you'd be thinking about we're liars.
So he starts working as an attorney because he graduated from law school, starts working in Cincinnati. A friend of his from Cincinnati said, in the 10 years that I've known him, he's never once raised his voice. He's always been the same, super nerdy, super sweet. Calm. Yep, nose to the grindstone, work, diligent, do your thing here. ♪
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His dad, Jay, was often at his condo. He would hang out there with him all the time, which usually would be the other way around. But he goes there and he like does shit for him too. He'll like clean his apartment for him, just clean his condo for him, which is a very strange thing. I couldn't imagine my dad coming over cleaning my apartment. Like it would be the weirdest thing in the world.
My kids are disgusting and they trash their bedrooms and I don't want to go in there out of respect for their privacy and their things. I'd certainly go in there and clean it if they asked me to vacuum or whatever, but I don't want to go touch their shit. Yeah, that's another thing. If it starts to smell from there, that affects you. This is this guy's apartment. Your dad could be like, I don't know. You're a lawyer. Hire a fucking maid. What do you want from me? I'm your dad.
Law your way through it, man. So yeah, law it up. You can talk somebody into cleaning it. Use a legal argument. Sue somebody. He said that he would go over and just talk about world events. And I guess Ryan really was interested in it. He loved politics and kind of the nuts and bolts and policy stuff. And his dad said that his favorite book was The Dictionary. He said that his passion in life was knowledge.
So he opened up his own law firm here, though, later on in an 810 Sycamore building on the fifth floor, downtown Cincinnati. Yeah. His practice focused upon mainly personal injury cases and car accidents.
which I guess that's how you start. You got to, right? Yeah. An attorney who worked across the hall from him said he had a strong feeling of wanting to help people who wouldn't otherwise have access to the legal system and who might be steamrolled by the legal system without someone there to help them.
Yeah, because there's a fucking lot of us. There's a lot of us. So you can look at a personal injury attorney and on one hand you go, oh, ambulance chaser, which is true. But on the other hand, people are really fucked up, need an attorney to get the money from lawyers. That's what sucks about attorneys. It really is sad. They're easy to hate, but if you're getting fucked with in some way, that's the first person you call and you're like, I have the most – my attorney is the biggest bastard there is. He'll cut your throat in an alley, my fucking guy.
And we love them. Fucking scumbag is my favorite. If they're cutting throats for us, they're fantastic. But anybody else, oh, scumbag. And it's all the shitty, you know, fucking hacky lawyer jokes. Lawyers of the ocean and all that core shit. And if you do end up needing a lawyer and you don't even realize that you have a case, like that's the most – that's the saddest part is that people genuinely are fucked with or –
Somebody was negligent and now somebody's injured and they just go through their life missing a limb or some shit. And they're like, why didn't you sue? I didn't even know I could. No, I just drool and I smile. I thought that's how it worked. Now it's too late, slobbers. Fuck, yeah. So slobbers, that's a good one for him. I like that. So he had to, he's doing all of this. He's working. He has a couple of lawyer mentors and all that. They say he worked late hours.
He would they said they would wake up in the morning, some of the other lawyers and see that they had emails about him are from him in the middle of the night where he was up working, talking about a case strategy or a marketing plan or something like that. He really was like, you know, you got to work hard to establish yourself. And then, yeah, you can do it here. They said he always dressed in very nice, immaculate suits.
They said in the office he would never even loosen his tie. He was just Mr. Buttoned up. Yeah, totally. They said his cell phone was constantly ringing. He's always talking to clients.
You know, he's doing all of this. He's involved in a lawsuit with his partner, too. When he starts out, he has a partner-in-law, and they have a falling out, and there's a lawsuit involving them. And he's having a real hard time with this lawsuit because it's a real pain in the ass. And he kind of, oh, can you imagine that? Two lawyers fucking suing each other? It's a nightmare. I don't want to sit on a fucking...
and listen to that shit. Two unreasonable people being unreasonable. This is great. That are good at this. Yeah, and have personal beef with each other too. It's a really nasty fucking formula for bad stuff here. It's a bad burgoo at this point. See, we're in Kentucky. I'll use the local here.
So which also you could call Skyline Chili a gross per goo also because that it is. That is what it is. Yeah. You I'm sorry. I know you guys. It's a local delicacy. You're out of your fucking minds. I don't know. No good. You know what? When someone's I know someone who my cousin knows this guy who was in prison for like 10 years and when he came out, he didn't like like good meat. He only liked like bar s hot dogs because that's what he got in prison. So you can get used to shit for a long time. That's what you people have got.
You've got shit. Demand better. That is somebody's diaper remnants they just dumped on top of pasta, and you guys say thank you. It's disgusting.
Yeah, Cheez Whiz exists. It doesn't make it good. Jesus Christ almighty. It doesn't make it a fucking brie. No. God. Jesus, no. Although it is good, Cheez Whiz. It's fine. It's certainly... I'll take some Cheez Whiz. It certainly goes on things, but it's not fucking telemuk. Well, no, obviously. There's a time and a place for Cheez Whiz, everybody. Yes. We all know that. There's a time and a place, and it's when you're drunk and it's on a cracker.
And it's over your kitchen sink at 1 a.m. That's the time and the place for Gee's Whiz. And you've sliced a summer sausage off of a stick of it. You got hunks of it sitting next to you. You got a cracker and you go, and you make an Oreo swirly. Or not Oreo, a Dairy Queen fucking sandwich.
Ice cream cone. Soft serve cap. Yep, that's how it goes. So he also has a girlfriend through much of 2010, 2011. He's got a girlfriend named Lauren. Real pretty blonde chick.
This guy pulls some very attractive women, we'll say. Very good. There's something about being a young lawyer and living in the northern Kentucky area that really separates you from the crowd or some shit because he – where do you hear the women? It's wild, this guy. He's insane. Well, I'm sure that the word lawyer in Kentucky anywhere certainly – yeah, anywhere –
And he's got money and he comes from money. He's a decent looking guy, too. He's not a troll either. He's actually a hit. He looks like one of those guys that maybe blossomed after high school and now he's like, he was a nerd, now he's a handsome lawyer. You know what I mean? Good for you. He's enjoying his life. Lauren and he, though, break up after about a year and a half. Sometime in 2011 they break up. So it's at that time where he's got a step-cousin.
So I assume it's his stepfather's somebody in there. So brother or sister's kid, something like that. She, I guess I think it's a woman, the step cousin steers him toward a girl on Facebook that she knows. Okay. Okay. Shows him her picture.
And it's a picture of this girl and a friend standing on a balcony in Daytona Beach wearing bikinis. Fucking yeah. So that's the first picture he sees of her. And she's very attractive, too. Yeah. She's got a bikini picture on the internet. She knows. She's beautiful.
completely confident about posting it. It's one of those. She's very well aware. She's 19. So he's 29. She's 19. We got some age difference here, but she's also like a very studious type student and she's all, you know,
She does well for herself here, actually. In the picture, she was 19, I think, so she's a little bit older when this goes on. Her friend says that, or I'm sorry, they have the correspondence back and forth here. And I guess... On Facebook? On Facebook, yeah. Like I said, if you ever think that you have any privacy... Uh-huh.
Think about whatever's going to happen and then think about two assholes are going to be reading it later. So be careful what you write. We know the words they said. Well, yeah, of the initial meeting. He sent her a friend request and she accepted the request and sent him a message right away. She said, how do I know you? And then said, you're gorgeous, by the way. She said she said that. He's like, damn, man.
Usually I'm the creep. That's what a guy will think. Usually I'm the one who's got to figure out how to bring up that she's hot. This is fucking great. How do I know you? You're smoking hot. Smoking hot. And Ryan doesn't seem like he's the most smooth here. He replies, you're not too bad yourself. Ha ha. Ha ha. He put on it. Ryan is not like a player like that. That's what I mean. His earnestness must be what's getting him women because...
It's certainly not his game because I don't see. Maybe the ha-ha is indicative of I don't even know what to say, so I'm going to say something stupid. I don't know. Ha-ha. Who knows? Now, the woman he is talking to is Shana Michelle Hubers is her name. She, we'll talk a little bit about her. Family background, not so great. She's got a weird family background. We'll talk about more of that as this goes here. She's a Shana.
Shayna, S-H-A-Y-N-A, Shayna. Oh, boy. Shayna Michelle Hubers. She does very well in school. She's very studious. Honors classes, straight A's, a huge shelf full of academic trophies and all that kind of shit. Very competitive also. Really? Oh, yeah, very competitive. She attended the prestigious Governor's School for the Arts for Vocal Music during the summer of 2008.
And she's got a voice of an angel? Voice of an angel. And that's the fucked up part is I've heard her sing because it's on video. And I'm like, before I knew anything about her background of singing, I went, she's actually not bad at singing. I thought to myself, let's find out her background. She shows it off in a real weird way later, though, that is, let's say, contradictory to her goals. I can't wait. Here we go. Here we go.
So she graduated in 2008 from Lexington's Paul Lawrence Dunbar High School there. Oh, no, she went there in 2008, graduated from high school in 2009. All sorts of academic trophies. Also known to not take breakups very well. Oh, what do you mean? Shana is bad at being told no? Shana will not accept no for an answer.
Absolutely not. She's like, have you seen me in my bikini? I don't think so. I'm a Shana with a hot bod. You don't tell me no, I tell you no. She's got excellent penmanship with a Ford key. Oh, absolutely. She will dot her eyes with a heart with a key on your car door. Don't you worry about that. That's a...
That's the kind of Shana we're talking about here. She loathes that some keys don't have the metal part anymore. Oh, she's really pissed. She's got a campaign to stop automatic... She hates key fobs. Hates keyless entry. Just the worst. The worst. Anti-keyless entry. It's really disarming me. She went to college just in a petition writing course, actually. Yeah.
Her friends called her very, quote, dramatic about her relationships. Oh, for heaven's sake. Which she was also, we're talking about a teenage girl through high school and college. A lot of teenagers of either sex are very dramatic about relationships. Well, processing rejection when you've probably had a lot given to you is not easy. But if you're smart and hot, fuck, that'd be amazing. You'd feel like, whatever. Yeah.
No. Smart and hot equals even less ability to digest it. To digest it, but what do you think? Her bench is probably deep. How many guys are lined up to try to go out with this chick? It doesn't matter. You don't get to tell me no. I tell you no. I am Shayna. I understand. That's what it is. I don't understand the time wasting of that.
I'm very much, if you reject me, I shrug and go, all right, that's it. I'm not going to try anymore. We're done. That's it. I understand. That's all. I get it. I don't know how you lasted this long. Guess who owns mirrors? Fuck you. Hats off to you. I give her one of these, a little with my hand, a roll of the hand, good day, and a bow, and I say, good day to you, ma'am, and I leave. It's fine.
It's been good while it lasted. I got more than I deserved. I know. I figured. I assumed. It was coming. She was studying psychology at the University of Kentucky in Lexington. In 2010, she made the dean's list as well while pursuing her degree in psychology. She graduates in three years.
Whoa. A psychology degree. Graduated. Come loud. So. Yeah. Yeah. She is Shana. Yep. She is the loudest, coming, smartest, sweet singingist, key fucking scrapingest Shana you ever met in your life, boy. Fantastic. That's right. So she moves on to her, to a different school to get her master's degree. Fuck. You could see why he'd be interested in her, too. She's not just some dumb young chick. She's got a brain.
And she's not even settling with a four-year. She wants the next one. Not a great decision here, though, I don't think. I mean, a nice decision, very kind, but also weird when you have that much college. She wants to get her master's in high school guidance counseling. Babe, that's... Yeah, all that college to make $36,000 a year, huh? You're going to be paying those ones a long time. Yeah, that's something you do when you're rich, I guess, and your family's wealthy and you have a trust, so you're like, I'll give back.
If you need to make money, that's not the way to do it. I'll be the one in the family that gives back. Yeah, I'll be the one. Fuck it. I don't need this money. She also does some modeling on the side here and there. And she's a pretty smart girl who can sing. So these two seem to be kind of a storybook picture. I mean, it's...
And for like a lawyer's wife that does that, like a meager salary, but like helping support children. That's amazing. So he wants to do good in the community. She'd be doing good in the community. They'd have a thing. They'd go to, they'd have fundraisers to go to and she'd be going to high school things and all that shit. Now,
She, by the way, is pretty jealous while they're dating, especially of his ex-girlfriend Lauren. Even though they don't talk anymore, she found pictures of Lauren on social media and said, oh, hell no. Lauren's hot. Lauren is hot. Yeah, she is. They're both hot. It doesn't matter. Every girl involved in this story, every woman in this story is hot. There's no like, oh, I feel bad. None of that. They're all hot and they all flaunt it and they all like it. So everybody's...
Confident and hot in this story. God, it must be nice. Very rare for Small Town Murder to have a story. Here's a story about a bunch of attractive people. We never get that. We're usually like, okay, he's got one of his eyes is sort of below his cheekbone and the other one's up above his eyeline and, you know.
And surprisingly enough, he rapes people. And then he raped a woman in a shed. And, you know, she only had one leg. It was very sad. And she like, you know, the whole thing is usually like that. And this is different. So she would save the pictures of Lauren and ask all of her friends if they thought that Lauren was more attractive than her. Shana. Yeah.
And there's so many people listening going, shit, I've done that. Because that's just human nature to do that. Stop doing that. It doesn't help anything. And what one of your friends are going to go, I don't know, dude, I'd fuck her way before I'd fuck you. Who's going to say that? She's hot. You're gross. No, she's cute, but you're way hotter. You have to say that. They all say. Yeah.
So they break up several times over the course of their relationship. This is a roller coaster with loops and a fuck. It goes underwater for like 10 seconds. It's a wild roller coaster. It's a long one. You got to really be careful on it. God, Jesus. She said, though, it was weird because she would...
Like they break up, but then they get back together and it was like everything was normal. She's not living there, but she has a key to his condo, keeps toiletries there. You know, there are tampons in his house. Well, that's for a reason. There's moist ginger. There's moist moisturizers on the counter. Yeah.
Things like that. Or shampoo in the shower. Absolutely. That's what it is. She bought a shower curtain and a shower curtain liner that she liked better in the bathroom. She bought matching curtains to hang in his bedroom because he's a guy and didn't care and had fucking unmatching curtains. I'm sure one was like a Cincinnati Bengals curtain from when he was 12, and the other one was a sheet curtain.
He doesn't care. The other one had sailing locos all over it for no reason. Doesn't give two shits what's up. In Kentucky. All the sailing is done. Yeah, lots of nautical shit. Lots of ports there. The port of Kentucky is one of my favorites. If I ever make it really big, I'm going to have a yacht and I'm going to have it moored in the port of Kentucky. If only I could.
It's a straight shot from all the shit in Vietnam. It goes right to Kentucky. It goes right there. Yeah. You don't even have to fuck with any canals or Suez or Panama. All the shit made in fucking Taiwan goes right to the point. Right to Kentucky. Everyone knows that. It's in Lexington before sundown. So she spends time with his family over Thanksgiving 2011. He brings her to all the festivities and everything like that.
Around Christmas time of that year, for Christmas, I guess his mother, Ryan's mother and stepfather, gave her a Michael Kors purse as a Christmas present. Nice. Not bad. It's a $300, $400 purse there. It's a good one. Yeah. She said, because they knew I liked the brand. Right. They even got a kitten together for a little while. What? I don't know what happened to the cat, but they gave it away or some shit after a while. Okay.
toiletries in your house. You have a pet. She gets Christmas presents from your family. They spend consecutive holidays there, meaning Thanksgiving and Christmas, and you have a pet, and she has a key. You got yourself a girlfriend, a serious girlfriend that is 75% of the way living with you.
at that point. But they keep breaking up and getting back together. It's a very strange thing. And you know, that could lend to either one being the problem there. Oh, breakups happen. You can't blame anybody for that. He works long hours. Who knows if he's easy to deal with. Isn't this enough for you? And then she's screaming, stop being... I just want to spend time with you. I can't believe you cheated on me with Lauren before you knew me. God damn it, yeah. Yeah.
You should have known I would think Lauren was hotter than me. How did you not know that? And who knows if he's like, well, what about that guy you went out with? Who knows? We don't know. So we do know that while broken up, whenever they were in their periods of broken up, she didn't really take we're broken up as an answer here.
No, no, no, no. She would just show up where he was unannounced to his condo at work. She'd show up at his law firm. Oh, no. Just show up and not leave. That's the other thing. One time, we'll talk about, this happened more than once, but one time in 2012, she showed up, refused to leave, so he went and stayed with his dad for the night. He left his own place. He just left. He said, she won't leave. She won't shut the fuck up. So then she just texted him hundreds of times that night instead. Oh, God.
So she will not be told no. This is, you know, if you've ever seen Fatal Attraction with Glenn Close there, there's a little bit of that, you know, you will not tell me no type of shit. There's a lot of that going on here. So at one point he sent a text to his step cousin who was the one who turned him on to her. Right. And said, this is getting to be restraining order level crazy. Yeah. What have you done to me? Why did you do this? Like, hey, I just showed you a.
A chick of a picture of a chicken, a bikini, and your dick went to it like a divining rod. Don't fucking blame me for that. You knew I was going to like a 19 year old. How dare you? How dare you? You knew it. He said she's shown up at my condo like three times and refuses to leave each time. Another time he said that she had sent, quote, 75 texts in the last hour.
And he can't turn his phone off because he's a lawyer and he says he has clients calling him and he needs to be available all the time to people in case something happens. One of his clients could call from jail at 3 in the morning. He's got to go get them. So he said – and also he said she showed up at his condo after 75 text messages. Good lord. One night in August of 2012, he – I guess Ryan showed up at his dad's house with his briefcase and his computer and some clothes.
Brought his computer. He just had his stuff like Steve Martin and the jerk. All I need is my laptop. Dragging a pair of slacks. These jogging pants and this sport coat. And he said, Dad, she will not leave my house. And his dad said he was tired and frustrated and he just didn't know what to do.
So his dad, by the way, said he visited his son two or three times a week to do his laundry. I don't know if the dad is doing the son's laundry or the dad is doing his own laundry at his house. I'm not sure what's going on there. Either way, that's weird. Once you're 30 years old, everybody keeps their laundry to themselves at that point. Hands off my fucking Tide, Mom. Get out of here. That's it. Bring your own Tide pods next time. The dad also said that...
sometimes she was around and he said that his son ignored her a lot. It was just like ignoring her. Like she was there clearly against his will and he would like ignore her, which is,
Dude, tell her to get out or fucking say you are or marry this chick. Just pick one. You can't just let it ride like that. Call the police or just fucking don't either draw a line in the sand or don't. This guy just did like a tenuous like, well, I guess we're broken up. But if you don't accept that, I guess we'll sort of get back together. If I turn my back on her, she's not here.
Well, it's also sending mixed signals at that point. And it's sending a signal that if I say we're broken up, I don't really mean it. Right. Also isn't great. Dad said the relationship was as though she was a ghost. I would look at her and think, why are you here?
What are you doing here? He won't even talk to you. Why are you here? Yeah. Dad also said Peter and I, meaning the stepfather, told him over and over, this girl needs to go, but nice. They said, always be respectful, always be nice, because it speaks to who you are as a man.
So he said, don't be mean to her. But God, he's got such great role models. They really are great. Almost too good to where he can't say, listen, bitch, get the fuck out of my house. Which is at some point when 75 text messages and they're showing up all the time. Whether you're a man or a woman, you got to go, listen, motherfucker, get out of my fucking. I'm tired of this. And put your foot down. I pay the rent. You don't. You don't even. My name's on it. Yours isn't. Get out. He's too well-bred.
Yeah, he's too well. He doesn't have that little bit of street in him that'll just be like, motherfucker, you're crossing the line now, which is tough. You're why I carry a blade. Get out. Yeah. Yeah. He said his son shied away from confrontation a lot. Didn't like conference, which is weird for a lawyer.
Well, in court, I guess when you're prepared. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you've studied up on this argument. Yeah. And you're well versed in it and you can be confident in the words you're about to say. But when it's off the top of your head, it's hard to it's hard to insult somebody off the top of your head in a positive way. And you're doing it through a judge or a jury. Yeah. You know what I mean? Rather than face to face in your condo living room, which is a much different. Yeah. Nobody else is filing paperwork on this at the moment. So.
Yeah. His dad said that if Ryan had been his daughter, he would have told him to seek a restraining order or call the cops or even helped him move away because he had the means to do what he said. But he said his son is six, three, 200 pounds. He was like,
He's a big strapping. He works out. He's got guns. He's not a guy who's a pushover physically or anything like that. So he said, oh, he'll be fine. He's 29 years old. Big guy. He can take care of himself. He's fine. He said, quote, he was my big strapping son at that point. I figured I'd let him work this out. As a parent, you have to give your children space, too. Space to grow up. That's what you do as a parent. He's got great parents.
No kidding. Fucking Jesus Christ. So they would keep breaking up and making up here. Texts between them. There's tons of text messages that we have between them that are just exhausting and
You can read three text messages and go, oh, God, I'm so happy I'm not in that relationship as you're rubbing your face and eyes because it's horrible. Do you want to read them? Oh, they'll come up. Don't worry. They'll come up when it's relevant. But it's just, they're just, wow. So at one point he told her to just get rid of the key to my condo when they were broken up. You don't have to mail it back. Throw it in a fucking storm drain. I don't care. Get rid of it. Get rid of it. Because she said, I'll send it back to you. And he's like, just throw it out.
So, also, I guess Ryan blocked her from social media and blocked her from the phone and stuff like that here in 2012. He blocked his phone number or blocked her from his phone in April of 2012, on April 9th, 2012. So what happened is Huber's got a hold of a different phone with a Nashville area phone.
on it and called him on April 30th posing as a client. What? Yes. But he recognized her voice. Right. And immediately hung up on her when he figured out who she was on the first one. But then she called back and he talked to her and they got back together. Okay. Wow. That is...
That is a hot chick right there. You got to be. That's the only. Oh, boy. What does she do? My God. And we say this because the male mind works. So we're so fucking shallow and vain. Right. That a hot chick can just do that. And we'll just be like, all right, fine. I don't know. She's hot anyway. Like it's our brains are broken in a weird way.
And it's not for nothing. It's what she offers. Do you know what I mean? She's doing something fucking incredibly. Otherwise, I don't think that he's allowing this. Do you know what I mean? There's no way that's not the case. Whereas a guy, it's like he's the super master manipulator because a girl can get whatever we do anywhere. Yeah.
Yeah, that's what I mean. It's easy, especially a hot young chick. Yeah, not all women are hot and do things. You know what I mean? Yeah, she might be a gamer. Yeah, you don't know. Maybe that's what he's happy about. Gotta be. And like I said, she's also smart and she's pretty charming too. I've heard her talk. So an attorney friend who worked in the same business described two different times that Huber's showed up
here in downtown Cincinnati, and she seemed odd. One time, after Ryan said he had broken up with her, she showed up with a brown bag because he had forgotten his lunch, so she showed up with a lunch for him, even though they were broken up. And then another time, she was in the law building, I guess without a chaperone in the building. You're supposed to have a security person escort you, and she talked her way through that. And he called that a, quote, combination of weirdness.
She's just wandering throughout the law firm, which was strange. So another thing that was interesting, her mom put money into her bank account for a trip to Indiana. And then later she found out that her daughter was actually in Hawaii. Didn't go to Indiana. She went to Hawaii, which is a big... If you've been to Indiana and Hawaii...
You know the difference. There's a big difference. It's a big value difference, too, in plane flight. Yeah. No one ever says, let me show you my pictures of my trip to Indiana, usually. That's...
That's not usually how it goes. When you get off a plane in Indiana, they don't say anything to you. No, no. They don't drape flowers on you, that's for sure. Oh, God, no. Jesus. Here you go. Here's a scantily clad woman putting flowers around you.
Welcome to Bloomington. I don't think that happens very often. They hit you with a chair like night. Yeah. They just throw a chair and you got to dodge it.
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Get out. Get out. Go. We don't need you here. So they break up more times here. She's seeing other guys when they break up, too. That's the weird part. She sees a bunch of other guys. So she moves on but then doesn't move on. One of the text messages she'll send to her friend says, I'm in love with Patrick.
Okay. Okay. Good for Patrick. That's great. Yeah. That's a little annoying. He hangs out with this one guy that won't go away. Real weird. Yeah. Then she also texted a friend about a sexually transmitted infection that she had. Uh-oh. And her text was, who knows who I got it from, right? Wow. She didn't even know where she got it from. Yeah.
Not to slut shame. That's not what this is. This is just know where your STD came from. That's intense. If you're not sure of that, you might be... That's a lot of phone calls you got to make to warn other people. I don't think she's warning anybody. No? She's going to run across the phone call that a guy says, no need to warn me. I knew. Yeah. I probably gave that to you. Where do you think you got it from, sweetheart? I've had a Ripper encased for about six months now.
That's called a calling card. Oh, boy. Yeah. You guys take a little piece of me home with you. That's what that is. So at one point he texted her. Ryan texted her. You need a lot more validation and affection from men than I could get than I can give here. Somebody had sent him photos of her with another guy in Lexington when she was supposed to be in Indianapolis. Would she? Some lie. Yeah.
Another phone messages here to others described what she did whenever they broke up. Ryan said, quote, she dresses up looking pretty and she just shows up and then she won't leave. Just show up looking hot at his doorstep and not she'll just be like, no, I'm not leaving. I'm just staying here. I'm just going to be here. It's fucking weird. He would write his friends and say that he ended up taking her back because he, quote, felt bad.
I felt bad. She'd cry and get all sad and I didn't know what to do. So the other people said that she was it was just a very tumultuous relationship in one one message. They said, Ryan. Oh, this was a friend of hers telling him, Ryan, Shana is more upset than usual for the love of Christ. Can you call her and tell her you love her?
Think about the long night this friend had with her. Yep. That's the person saying, I got work tomorrow, man, for the love of Christ. And she's more upset than usual. Four dots. An advanced ellipses. Even more. Yeah, I put up with a lot less than this, man. The love of Christ. Can you call her and tell her that you love her? Please. This is too much. For me. Now it's a personal favor for me. Understand?
At one point when they were broken up, he got a series of harassing text messages from a phone number that wasn't in his contacts. Just a strange phone. So the turns out, though, this phone was was a number that was in Shane's contact list.
It was a friend of hers. She took her friend's phone and fucking did these things. One of the messages was, lose the beer gut and get better at your job, she texted him. She was just sending him abusive messages that were not attributed to anybody, just shit like that. She then sent her own phone the text messages, the screenshots of the beer gut things. Wow.
And she said, I texted Ryan from a friend's phone, check it out, and then sent it to somebody else. Look at what I'm saying to him. They call them fat, aren't I funny? Yeah. She also did Internet searches on a woman that he friended on Facebook in January 2012.
She's keeping an eye on his friends list and watching it expand and then stalking the women. Then Googling them and researching them. Somehow that woman then became her Facebook friend as well. So she could even more stalk here. Eventually these two had met up to go on a date later on, Ryan and this woman. But she hacked into his Facebook account is what she did.
Then she could monitor communications and block people that she didn't like.
So she would block these women and they think they were blocked and then they would think it was over. And then that was that. So that's how she would do that. What a dick. Yeah. One coworker said that, quote, she'd call him 50 to 100 times a day sometimes. Call, not even text, call. A hundred times. If he wouldn't answer his cell, she'd call the front desk repeatedly and ask for him at the receptionist. Constantly. If he said no and refused it, she'd call right back.
And keep doing. You can't do that. Or she'd show up at the office and refuse to leave. And wouldn't leave. So, yeah. You want to take my phone calls? Here I am. Here I am. Well, there you go. I'm looking pretty and here's your lunch. Anyway, what are we doing tonight? Let's talk. My friends are having a party and you're coming with. Okay. And then he goes, okay. And he goes. That's the fucking part. What happened to her? I don't... Well, we'll find out what she says happened later on. So...
He likes guns, we'll say. He's got a lot of guns and he likes guns and, you know, he grew up shooting guns and he likes them. So on October 2nd, 2012, Ryan takes Shana to the gun range because you want to teach a chick like this. Your eyes. Jimmy's eyes just got twice the size. This is the last thing. I would tell her guns don't work at
all i don't know any jam all the time they you know they're useless i've never seen one stay away from them they're really bad they're so bad so bad he takes her to a gun range to shoot her teacher had a shoot sir which wow um after this is crazy she texted a friend of hers quote a part of me wanted to turn around and shoot him then she said i wonder why he's taking me on dates and stuff lol
Then she said, I'm not going to turn down learning how to shoot a gun. Ha ha.
These are all like in a row, these text messages. Okay. Then she texted another friend. When I go to the shooting range with Ryan tonight, I want to turn around and shoot him and kill him and play like it's an accident. What in the fuck? She texted that to a human being. Just for posterity's sake, I need this in writing. Yeah, I just want this to be secured for time immemorial.
Then she says her friend. I mean, this is the thing. If you're her friend, you know she's a little bit crazy. So you can't go, Shayna, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because she'll freak out. So her friend, but also to absolve herself of liability, says, be careful. Dash, no accidents. Don't shoot anybody, please. Now, now. Don't do that. Shayna wrote back, I'll try not to. Oh, my God. In other texts she wrote to friends of hers, she said, my love has turned to hate.
She said at one point. Then she said, he says he's only with me because he feels so awful about it when I cry when he breaks up with me. He finally was like, why do you keep getting back together with me? You know why? Because you don't stop crying. And when you cry, I feel fucking bad. I take it back. Okay. You're fucking happy. That's what happened.
You don't even feel that right. I do feel bad. That's why we're together. At the same point, stop getting back together with some stuff. Stop giving. You can't give people false hope. You will make them crazy at that point, too. So there's.
There's give and take here. A rocky back and forth is there's got to be mutual understanding of what the end goal is here or what we're doing together. Are we moving towards a life together? Are we just talking? What are we doing? What's happening? Otherwise, you're confusing the shit out of both of you.
Neither of you are being honest. Nobody is. Everybody's fucking ridiculous. Then she texted a friend. It's going to be hard to one day choose between Patrick and Ryan. One means the future and one means being with someone I love who doesn't love me as much. Then go with the guy who likes you. Yeah. You seem to like them equally. One likes you. One doesn't. Right. It doesn't seem to be a real hard choice there. This is very easy. This is very practical. Easy.
I like two kinds of cars. One of them I can afford. That's the one I'm getting. That's the one I have. Yeah.
It's okay, and I can afford it. Great. I bought it. There you go. Done. So October 4th, 2012, he's in the midst of all this shit. A couple days ago, he took her to the gun range. His lawsuit is getting along. It's nearing the end of it. There's settlement talks and all this. That's great. They're talking. It's getting very stressful. Ryan was frustrated and angry with the direction of his career, according to some Facebook exchanges. Yeah.
He said, I'm starting to feel like life passed me by while I was making brilliant plans for it. Uh-oh. So, yeah, he's starting to feel like other people were doing things and he was just planning, which I would think a lot of people would feel like that after that much school. You know what I mean? Yeah, he probably also, because of the advent of social media, he's seen what his friends have done since high school and since college. And these are all... Right, these are all...
Go-getters, too. That's what he's playing out with. And they're all just banging and being successful, and they're happy, and he's got this shit. And he's got a lawsuit boiling. It's a mess. He gets very frustrated. At one point, the lawsuit with his former legal partner, he wrote to a friend that he wanted to, this is about his legal partner, quote, stomp on his head while he's drowning. Attaboy. That's right. That's about right. Well.
When you're mad. Yeah. He also said he was so mad one day he said, there's nothing I want more than to just scorch the, and this is the thing. He didn't say on a text message to a friend, he didn't use fucking. He said F-I-N-G. That's so much work. He didn't even curse in a text to his friend. Listen to what he's saying too. I want to just scorch the effing earth and leave this entire city in a pile of burnt rubble.
You can curse. You can curse if you want to kill 700,000 people. Go ahead and curse there. You want to burn down everything? All of it. The Cincinnati Reds, man. I don't care anymore. Barry Larkin's legacy. You want to torch it. That's it. Fuck Pete Rose. Fuck Joe Morgan. Johnny Bench can eat this cock. I don't care what you say. He doesn't care anymore. Just send a video of Phil Collins to him.
That's it. Boomer Esiason, Barry Larkin, all of you can suck my balls. Dickie Woods can shuffle his ass off into the river. I don't care. Fuck him. That's what Shayna has done. Yeah. Well, this is the lawsuit, too. This is all about the lawsuit. He said also about, these are all about his partner. He said, my brain has a trip wire in there somewhere, and if it snaps, I worry what could happen.
Oh. So that's, you know, he's talking some weird shit now. Yeah. He also starts looking for other chicks, too. Yeah. He starts talking to a young lady in 2012 named Audrey Bolt. That is Bolt with an E. And if you look her up, you'll see she is the 2012 Miss Ohio. Hell yeah. Atta boy. She's a fucking smoke show, obviously. Wow. I mean, yeah, she's blonde and, I mean, she's fucking...
Miss Ohio, for Christ's sake. You thought Lauren was hot. Buckle up, Shayna. Yeah, she's going to shit when she sees a chick with a sash on. Oh, my God. A crown and a fucking armful of flowers? Holy fuck. The hottest girl in the neighboring state. She's like, oh, hell no. Hell no.
But the problem is during this, she still has a key to the condo and all of her toothpaste and moisturizers are still on the counter. And she's got scrunchie things sitting there. Son, you got yourself a girlfriend. That's the problem. Yeah, get those banana clips out of the house, man. Yeah, you're fucked at this point. Absolutely. There's those little makeup sponges. They're everywhere. The little fucking triangles. The egg ones. All over the place. Shit all over them. The blenders? The mixers? I don't know what they are.
Also, if you touch them, shit gets on your fingers. They're gross. Yeah, shit's everywhere. Yeah, it's all over the place. I don't even know when those are bad, but evidently they go bad. They've got to go bad at some point. I don't know when. I'm lucky I'm not a woman. We'd be terrible women. Holy fuck. The...
We'd be the worst. Dude, I take my... At Target, the amount of shit in that store, I don't even know how you decipher what you need. A third of the store, I don't even know what it does. So that tells you a lot right there. A third of a department store, I have no idea what any of that shit does. I love it. It's like sitting behind the wheel of a Bentley and seeing all the knobs and going, why? Why do they have all these? Oh, I could build a computer from scratch before I know...
What a target does? There's a pre-moisturizer and then you put the regular moisturizer. Then you got to put a mask on after that. And then you got the triangle squares and you got to blend it all. Fuck out of here. It's unbelievable. Then you walk in on them and they look like they're getting ready for a football game. They just got stripes all over their face. Stripes and things. What is this? Yeah, what's happening? Don't worry. Hair's tied. And then 10 minutes later, they look great. You're like, how'd you do that? That was magical. Yeah.
What happened to your war paint? What's going on here? Yeah. Ten minutes ago, you looked like the ultimate warrior. Now, hair was out crazy. You had tassels dangling from your arms, makeup all over your face. Now you look terrific. What is happening? You're a Sioux chief ten minutes ago. Strange. Very strange.
So October 5th here, 2012, Shana texts a friend of hers and says that she was at Poston's condo. Oh, right then she said, quote, I have the key. He never asked for it back. Even when we broke up. Ha ha ha. So she's just going to throw it away. She's just going to come in. So she is. She just when she comes over, she doesn't knock. She just comes over. Walks in. Hi. Sits down. He'll go to the bathroom. Come out. She's on her couch. Just you know him.
I'm here now. October 11th, 2012, Ryan brings Shana to his parents' house, to the mom and stepdad's house, to watch the presidential debate.
Sort of a celebration of sorts here because he just signed a settlement of the lawsuit with his former law partner. That's great. So he's very, very happy. Yeah, he talked to his stepfather, and his stepfather said he asked him for some advice. Ryan said, could you give me some advice? I have a date with Miss Ohio.
On Friday, he said. Yeah. She's fucking hot. Sentence is never coming out of my mouth. I have a date with Miss Ohio on Friday.
But he didn't know how to tell Shana about it. First of all, don't tell Shana about that. Don't say a word. She's never going to go away. I know how you say it. You say nothing. We are broken up. You break up is what you do. She shouldn't be here right now. Right. Why are you watching this with her? Stepdad said, he said to me, my biggest issue is Shana's always around. Yes, because she's your girlfriend. He doesn't realize he has a girlfriend. Yeah. You have a girlfriend, whether you like it or not.
She comes over your stuff. Yeah. He said, I don't know what to do to get her to leave. So stepdad said, I told him to make sure that he was kind to Shana and to be honest with her about what was going on. I told him to be direct, but to be kind. Wow. What nice people. Jesus Christ. So after the debate, the pure sex of Mitt Romney must have got them all horned up, I think, from that debate.
And they had to go back to the condo together. I mean, obviously, you know, you see that guy. It's just pure sex. You can't stop thinking about everybody. Oh, my. No, it was actually the vice presidential debate. It wasn't even. Oh, even worse. Jesus. He told her that he couldn't hang out that weekend. He goes, look, tonight is fine. But this weekend, I can't hang out. She, of course, got mad.
Okay. This is back at his condo after the debate. Yeah. She got mad. He went to bed. She called her mom to complain about this. Her mom drove 80 miles to his condo to be with her, to comfort her. To sit in his living room and discuss while he's sleeping. Yes. Discuss the fact that he can't hang out this weekend.
Okay. Mom is very well aware of how unstable this girl is if she just drove 80 miles for this shit. That's what I mean. Oh, God, I got to go talk to her. Yeah. Ryan was sleeping and had no idea the mom was there until he got up and found her asleep on his couch.
Not only is my girlfriend slash ex-girlfriend that won't go away here. Also, she's like the chicken Wayne's world that would pop up. Yeah. And she's bringing her family. Yeah. And she's bringing her mom over to her. And he sees there's her mom sleeping on his couch. He's like, OK, no woman snoring. All right. That's weird. So he said, what the fuck is going on? What's happening? Yeah.
She told him, she tells Ryan that she called her mom because she wasn't feeling well and now she's having chest pains. She said, will you take me to the ER? And he said, no, I'm not taking you to the ER. Let your mom take you to the ER if you want to go to the ER. This is crazy. Both of you get out. Yeah. So she leaves with her mom. Wow.
Uh-huh. She later texts him saying she got an EKG and they made her an appointment with some specialist for some valve problem and she even got some kind of medication. She got a prescription for some kind of medication. Well, look, the good news is now you have heart problems and I can't put up with that. Yeah, it's too tough. I'm going to put our relationship down. I'm a marathon runner. I need someone right next to me for all 26 miles. I'm sorry. Yeah.
And when she called her mother in the middle of the night, her mother said she was sick. She was in pain. There was fear in her voice. So she came over there. This is 4 o'clock in the morning she dropped. She came over. Jesus Christ.
Her mom, she called her mom at 4 a.m. and her mom said, I'm in the car. Don't worry about it, sweetheart. I'm on my way. Wow. She said Shana was upset, didn't feel well when she arrived. He was in his bedroom sleeping. She said he was there, but he didn't emerge from his bedroom. He was sleeping. It was four o'clock in the fucking morning. The man's got a job tomorrow. Yeah. Jesus. So the...
She said that her daughter was visibly upset at the condo and that she feared her daughter might be having a stroke. She couldn't convince her to go to the emergency room, even though Shana wanted him to take her to the emergency room. However, they just napped on the couch till mid-morning.
So she didn't go to the emergency room? No. But she said she did. They spent the day together, her and her mom, gathering things from the condo, gathering her things because she was going to take them, and then going to the mall in Cincinnati. Yeah. Met her mother. They had a nice meal at Bob Evans, as you do when you think you're having a heart attack. You go get some sausage. Yeah.
They went shopping at Dillard's in Kenwood later on. Oh, yeah. Not bad. Not bad. Anchor store right there back in the day. So and also on her phone, too, she's searching symptoms for hypertension and medications prescribed for left ventricle hypertrophy. Oh, she's looking up what medication. Then she told him she got that medication.
She's telling him left ventricular hypertrophy is what she has, and she's got a medication for it, and she's got to go see a specialist, which is a thickening of the heart muscle is what that is. So, wow, that is wild here. I don't even know what that's about. So early that evening, as that day goes on, her mom left her to visit family in Ohio, where
But she bought her daughter Shana aspirin, filled up her gas tank, and told her to go to the emergency room if she started feeling ill again. Okay. Okay. She also testified later on that she thought her daughter was spending the night with a friend that night. So this is October 12th now, 2012. Text messages indicate that...
This whole day, they're going back and forth, Ryan and Shana, with texts. She says, Ryan, I'm so sorry I was so emotional. She texts him. So, yeah, that's interesting there. That's how that goes. Period, yeah. Yeah, and so, yeah, they're chatting. He's talking. He's at work, though. So he was talking with two of these other attorneys at the office at around 5.40 p.m.,
They said that he said Ryan told them he had plans with friends later that night, which actually he was meeting Miss Miss fucking Ohio. Right. He wasn't bragging about that. How cool he is. Wow. Wow. He was at work with lawyers not going. Look who I'm going out with tonight. Holy shit. Isn't this wild? Just some friends, you know. Yeah. Just hanging out with friends. Even if she doesn't like you, you're like, I went out with Miss Ohio. You're telling your grandkids like you were engaged 20, 30 years from now. Which Miss did you go out with? Tell me.
Yeah, which you got. Miss who? Miss what state? Fuck you. One of the lawyers there said he was going from zero to 100 probably faster and better than any other young lawyer could have or could be imagined. He was that good at what he was going to be doing. He was excited about his future, and his future was very bright. Doing great. He texts her, I think I need some time by myself this weekend, Shana.
He says to her, she said, I'll be by later to get some bath items and head to the Marriott. So she said, fine, I'll get my shit and I'll go check into a hotel.
If you have a hotel, then that means you don't have another place to go. Therefore, not in that region. Oh, yeah. She's like, well, I'll just get my shit and I'll stay at a nearby hotel. She lives far enough away that his wow doesn't want to drive it or something here. So Audrey Bolt here, Miss Ohio. Yeah, she they were supposed to meet for drinks and to play pool at a bar that night.
Oh, she's so cool. She's even cool. Yeah, that's what I mean. She's a normal chick. Get out. How about some drinks and fucking shoot some pool here? Oh, boy. They were supposed to meet at 8 p.m. at his condo, but she was running late, so they rejiggered the whole thing to meet at 9.30 p.m. at the bar. Cool.
Quick pivot. Because she's got hot girl shit to do. Because she's over there. She still looks like a Sioux Indian chief at 9 o'clock. Well, she's like, I'm fighting off. There's about 100 men outside my door right now. I've got to get my stick ready and I've got to fight them off on my way out. So I'm going. She said she went to the bar at 930 and waited and waited and waited, but he never showed up.
Wow, he's so cool. He stands up Miss Ohio. She must have been like, are you fucking... Imagine her sitting there like... Looking around back and forth. Is this for real? Look at me, everybody. I would keep my Miss Ohio sash in my purse for situations like this. I take it out, put it on. Spin it around like a terrible towel. You see this shit right now? Are you kidding me? Stand up Miss Ohio. Hell no.
So Vernon and Doris West, they live in the condo below Ryan. They said they arrived home at about 8.30 p.m. and they heard a woman weeping on his deck. That's what they heard. On the deck, just crying. Weeping is the way they put it. Then they heard the woman go back inside. Doris West put the time at about 8.45 or 8.50 is what she thought. Moments later, they heard two noises that they said sounded like fireworks.
Then they heard four more loud bangs. Wow. Followed by what sounded like something falling to the ground. Like a big, one of the big, which if you've lived in an apartment below somebody, you know, you hear everything they do. Oh, they're going there. And now they're going to the kitchen. There you go. Get a snack, stand by the front and you walk back to your couch. I used to do that. I used to just fucking do play by play of what the person above me was doing. Cause it was so annoying. Yeah.
Because I lived in a shit apartment. I hated the people who loved me so much. Cock suckers! If I saw them, I'd be like, fuck. I wouldn't even say hello because I was so angry at them. I called security on them, so I got the dirty looks every day. Oh, good, good. Because I'm the asshole. I'm trying to sleep. I just took it and then gave them dirty. I was like, I have a right to give them dirty looks forever. And they're not.
They can just assume it's something they've done. 2 a.m., if I hear cinder blocks, football being thrown around, I don't know what's going on up there. That's a lot. I'm calling. I'm certainly calling. And they said, too, Vernon West said, the first two shots, I thought they might have been fireworks. But a few seconds later, I heard four shots. I knew that it wasn't fireworks. They said they didn't hear any arguing or any, like,
You know, if two adults are fighting, because by the way, Shane is 5'10". She's not a small chick either. So if two, you know, decent-sized people are physically fighting, you're here above you. Oh, yeah. Footsteps. I mean, you hear all that shit. And they said they didn't hear anything like that. It's loud. No screaming or fighting they didn't hear. They just heard these weeping, and then a couple minutes later they heard shots. Six shots. 8.50 p.m., Shana calls her mom.
She her mom said she was hysterical, terrified, in shock beside herself. She was a mess. Yeah. So her mom's her mom told her daughter to call 9-1-1, tell them exactly where you are and exactly what happened. Then call me back.
Why aren't you driving that 80 again? What's happening? Well, we're beyond driving there here. She can't clean this problem up. So Shana calls 911 at 8.54 p.m. And here I'll give you the back and forth. 911. She says, ma'am, I killed my boyfriend in self-defense.
That's her opening. That's, oh boy. Terrible, which is the... So bad. And I'm only saying for when they do studies on 911 tapes and people who've charged with the murders that make the call, or people that are investigated, the people that are usually completely innocent say...
This is the address. This is what's wrong with the person. I need an ambulance. Their first course of action is to get this person medical attention. Render aid. Right. Or if they're dead, to say they're dead, to say where they are. But if they start giving a story of how it happened. They start testifying, for Christ's sake. Then that's usually, those people usually more times than not killed the person themselves. That's usually what it works. Or they were in on it. Something. I killed my boyfriend in self-defense is bad.
So 911 says, what did you kill him with? Which is a great question that you want to know. She said, a gun, a loaded gun in the house. I assume it would have been loaded or else you beat him to death with it. They said, can you tell me where the gun is right now? She said, the gun is in the house, which is, yeah. They said, where at though, ma'am? Tell me where it's at. And she said, I laid it on the bookshelf.
911 says, okay, what's your name? My name is Shana Michelle Hubers. All right, what's his name? Ryan Carter Poston. He's an attorney in Cincinnati. I don't know what that matters in getting medical attention, but the 911 operator says, where are you? And she said, I'm standing about three feet from his dead body. Oh, my God.
Wow. 9-1-1 says, okay, as you would say, all right, are you sure that he's dead? Which is a great question. Excellent, yeah. How much medical attention do we need to send? And she says, quote, he's dead, ma'am. He's completely dead. Then she says, are they going to arrest me? Oh, my God. 9-1-1.
What do you think 911 said? That's not for us to do. Ma'am, I don't know what they'll do. I'm on the phone. I have no fucking idea. I don't show up to crime scenes usually. Right. Then she says, quote, I mean, I'm not a murderer, ma'am. I just killed him, which is the funniest sentence that's ever been uttered on a 911 tape. I'm not a basketball player. I just play for the Knicks. That's a really weird thing to say. Strange, right? Yeah. So...
Cops arrive, and he certainly is shot, and he certainly seems dead, and he's certainly on the floor of his dining room. Here, he's found on the dining room floor six shots in him. Six with a .386 hour. That's his own handgun. Really? Yep. He's got a .380, huh? He's got a .380, yeah. He was found there. He's shot twice in the head, once under his arm, and three times in the torso. Wow.
Two in the head. Two in the head. This is like a fucking mobster. Like, yeah, Polly Walnuts would give you a better chance. Jesus Christ. So she. Wow. She said she told police she shot him. He was, quote, shot more than once in different areas of the body is all they would say at first. But he actually was shot in all the places I told you. The condition of the condo, they said, was not consistent with the.
with any sort of physical altercation beforehand. Nothing's knocked over. They said there's prescription pill bottles standing upright on the dining room table right next to where he died. That he's laying. Yeah. Yeah. So they said the whole thing, nothing is, it just doesn't make any sense.
So four scientists from the Kentucky State Police Forensics Lab also did analysis of all this stuff. And they found out that, yes, it was the 380 that was there. They found the gunshot residue on her hands. So she definitely did it, even though she said she did it. Still, you got to check. Somebody could have came over and did it. So also an expert in blood stain patterns.
We'll later say that they believe that Ryan was sitting at his dining room table when the first of the shots to the head was fired. I was just going to say two shots in the head with a 380 is impeccable shooting because a 380 is a nightmare to shoot. It's bucks all over the place. You can't hit shit because the butt of it is...
is in your fucking palm of your hand. It's a terrible gun for target shooting. What if it's between six and 30 inches away from what you're shooting at? Pretty easy. That's mad easy. At that point, yeah. That's what I'm saying. And if only, you know, someone hadn't taught her what to do 10 days ago, but... You could shoot a fly on a bull's ass from nine to 30 inches away. Six inches away? Yeah, six and 30 inches is a totally different story. Yeah. All those things become irrelevant at close range. Yeah.
That's insane. So, yeah, they said he fell to the floor after that. Bullet fragments from the body were fired from the gun found, so they matched everything up. And also residue found on his shirt said the shots were fired at an intermediate distance, which could be from six to 30 inches away. So anywhere from six to two and a half feet, which is still...
Incredibly close. Closer than we are, and we're in the same room very close together. That's within arm's reach is what that is. Yeah, absolutely. That's right up against you. Someone could take a step back and boom, right there. And a 6'3", 200-pound guy is a pretty decent target from 2 1⁄2 feet away. You bet.
So they said most of the shots, though, were likely under two feet, which still falls in the intermediate distance. It's not a contact. That's standing over. Yeah, that's execution style. That's what you do in the mob to make sure a guy's dead. So that day, the next morning, his dad was riding his bicycle when he got the call. Oh, Christ. Yep, he said he let it go to voicemail because he didn't recognize the number, and then he fucking pulls over.
After a while, you know, with his bike and gets his message and it says, Mr. Poston, we have a body here which we think may be a member of your family, which is a terrible voicemail to get. He said he didn't return the coroner's call right away because he said doing that would make it real. He said, I started riding in panic. My head was coming up with any other scenario than which my heart was telling me the truth. He said three minutes later, Ryan's mom called.
He said, then he knew it was then he knew it was fucking, you know, it was up. He said, I knew that I knew my child was dead. He said, literally in the blink of an eye, everything that you've known your whole life is forever gone, just destroyed. It's fucking horrible. Yeah. He's a nice family. He's even telling he didn't say, fuck that crazy bitch. Get her out of your house. He said, be nice to her. Be kind. She's a be honest with her. She's obviously emotional. And, you know, when I, you know.
That's, man. So they get Shana into the police department here because she's saying it's self-defense on the phone right away. So a lot of this is going to come from an interrogation, what she says happened. And we've seen this. This is how you figure out if someone's lying.
So if you've ever watched these interrogation videos, there's a million of them on YouTube and they're the most fascinating thing there is. First of all, fascinating, truly fascinating. Never fast forward. This is the thing. In the beginning, you'll see them sitting there by themselves for a while and then you'll see a cop come in and they read them their rights for fucking five minutes and they say, yes, yes, yes. And then it starts, right? You want to watch that behavior that happens before anybody comes in the room and when they're in there by themselves because they're
They do weird shit when they're by themselves. And like in the David Simon homicide book, they talk about they'll leave people in there for an hour and a half just to watch them to see what they do. Do they relax? Do they do this? Do they bang on the door? What are they doing? Sometimes they'll talk to themselves. Sometimes they'll confess to themselves while they're in there. It's happened all the time. People sit there and go, why the fuck did I kill that guy? What am I going to tell him? You're on...
You're in an interrogation room in 2015. You don't think they know? But it happens. So she, this video starts off with her standing in the corner of the room. Oh, boy. And she starts, like, dancing around.
slowly, almost like interpretive dancing. Has her arms in and she's humming. Facing the corner or away from the corner? She's away from the corner and then walks to the other side of the room doing this. I don't even know what it is. She has her hands over her head and takes one of those long, almost like a ballet step. She's doing ballet shit in there. She's got a Kentucky sweatshirt on. Hell yeah. And she's humming Amazing Grace while dancing. Oh. Who else did that? Then she starts singing it.
What? I'm talking. She's not just like. She's like. She's getting her voice into the whole thing. Warming it up. Yeah. She's walking around. Literally said, how sweet the sound that saved a wretch. And then she hums the rest. Yeah. And she doesn't sound terrible, but she sings that a couple of times.
Then, after a couple renditions of Amazing Grace walking back and forth, and this is all on YouTube. You can check it out for yourself. She then sings, I did it. Yes, I did it. I can't believe I did it. That's what she sings. She fucking sings that.
But like, oh no, she's about to break into like a jazz breakdown part of the song where she's like, like in Drop Dead Gorgeous when they do the dance. She's writing the song on the fly too. That's impressive. Yeah. I can't believe I did it. She's singing.
He's rewriting I shot the sheriff. Yeah. I shot the lawyer. I shot my boyfriend. Now he can't defend me. Oh, no, no, no, no. Because I shot my boyfriend. Because I need a lawyer. Too bad I shot my boyfriend. I shot my boyfriend.
Wow. She should have stuck with no body, no crime. She'd be much better off. Wrong song. Yeah. Same guy. So then there's one and the cop comes in and they're talking to her. And basically they just sit there and she just talks. And it's fucking fascinating. She's just...
She's going.
He was screaming how much he hated me. I don't know if anyone will ever want to marry me if they heard that I killed my boyfriend in self-defense. And she starts laughing. What? I don't know. She doesn't say it fast like I'm saying it. I'm just going through it. But she literally says, there's this long pause, and she goes, I don't know if anyone will ever want to marry me if they heard that I killed my ex-boyfriend in self-defense. That's exactly how she did it. Babe. You are never mind marriage at this point.
I'm sure somebody very nice will marry you in there. And the cop is stone-faced. It's some female cop. She's not laughing with her. And she says, quote, this is Shayna, quote, not funny, but because she just laughed and no one else laughed. Hot girls are used to when you laugh, everyone laughs with you. Like this is a different environment. Tough spot here. Jesus Christ.
The stuff he was saying to me was so abusive while he was throwing me around the room. I'll never forget it. I think in the midst of that, my love turned to hate. I remember screaming, fuck you, reaching up to grab his shirt. Fuck you. How dare you mock my family? How dare you talk? And you can't hear what she says about my mother and my family.
And then she says, quote, if I don't get any serious consequences, then I could be really happy just having a career and maybe not even getting married. This isn't your girlfriend. This is a homicide detective. She doesn't care. Why are you talking about your future? This is crazy. She said, because this is very traumatic, you know, for her, of course. Very traumatic for me to live with it. I have to know that I did that to someone that I told every day, I love you. What?
Is she like, she thinks she can manipulate detectives. Yes, absolutely. Oh my. Because she can call her mom at 4 a.m. and she'll jump in a car and go there and she can tell her mom this and she'll get money. She can tell him that she needs medication because her heart's fucked up and she can tell, yeah, she thinks she can just do that.
And that's a lot of people do fill up my gas tank and send me home. I'd be really happy. She really was born with the wrong genitalia because we hear guys doing this shit on the show. Yeah. All the time. All the time here. And I only say this because if he was throwing her around the room at six, three, 200 pounds, that'd be a different story. But the people right below did not hear that.
Didn't hear anything. And if you didn't hear that, then that didn't happen from below you. It just didn't. That would have to be. They didn't even hear screaming. Nothing. Right. No, fuck you. There was none of that. And his love turned to hate and he was throwing you around and then my love turned to hate. Right. That goes.
She's saying this love turns to hate shit so much. Even in the text in the past and in her interrogation, that's a phrase she has locked and loaded. Love turned to hate all the time. That might be the name of the show. Yeah.
I think that's possibly the name of the show. It's certainly in the running. She said, quote, he was screaming at me. He had his hand on the table and he wasn't completely standing up. He was like this. He was sitting. So he had to kind of when you like half get up when you're just about to get up. He was like this. Literally, that's when I knew he was dead or close to it. The twitching. And that's it. I couldn't. I love him. I still even though it hurt.
And then inaudible, me loves him. Something in me loves him. But I couldn't stand to watch him twitch. Ew. That's why she said she shot him more. What? She shot him four times because she wanted to put him out of his misery because he was twitching and it made her uncomfortable. What a wild thing to say out loud. Wow. I couldn't stand to watch him twitch. She then said, quote, I don't want to go to prison. Well, no shit.
I'm sure you don't. I don't want to go to prison. I don't think I deserve to. I didn't go over there intending to shoot Ryan. I went over there with the best of intentions. I love you. Let's work this relationship out. And he was screaming and hitting me. He resorted to violence.
He said that she, by the way, that she has no marks of any physical attack on her whatsoever. He's a big fucking guy. If he's fighting, you're going to feel it. Yeah. She said she was he was hitting her and throwing her around the room, which she and there's no anything in the apartment or on her to say that.
She said he also pushed and dragged her around and insulted her, insulted her speaking voice and her family. She said, quote, he said, you're just a hillbilly from Kentucky. You know, she went on to say, and I am. I guess the hillbilly came out in me and I took up for myself. That's what she said. That's a little thing to say. Yes, yes. I believe a bunch of the white girls did the same. So, yeah.
Meaning the wild and wonderful whites of West Virginia. So she is arrested, obviously, for this. Because these are crazy things to say out loud. The interrogations, it's not even what she's saying because I can't describe her exact, the way she says it is the crazy part. Her demeanor is bonkers. When you watch, you have to watch them just to see how weird she is.
She is getting to things and her logic and the way she's talking. She's talking to her girlfriend about she went out on a bad date and it didn't work out. Like, oh, my God, we went to this dinner and it was like, you know, like the place was OK. But then like he was being weird. He tried to order for me. I'm like, I hate when that's how she was talking. So I shot him. So I just shot him. And then I didn't like to see him twitch. I like shot him more. And like, I don't want to go to jail. It was awful. Yeah. Amazing Grace. What the fuck?
She's fucking nuts. So, yeah, she's arrested. Her attorney said, I'm not going to talk about the facts of the case except to say that this is a self-defense case. The only thing she did wrong was having bad taste in men. Oh, he's a bad guy. He's a bad guy. She is very she's a very young and kind person. She would never do anything violent. Never has. Never would. She struck him with her motor vehicle. She had been under the influence that she left him there.
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Okay, so the police, this is Highland Heights Police Chief Bill Birkenhauer. He said it was an on-again, off-again thing from the start.
She said it was obvious from the number of messages sent from Shana Huber's as well as the lack of response from Ryan Poston that they were seeing each other on occasion. But Ryan was clearly trying to break up or limit the amount of time he spent with her. The family, his family, releases a statement saying Ryan's family is devastated by this loss.
Ryan was as bright as he was kind, as principled as he was caring. His passing is an unspeakable hardship to many people. We ask that all of Ryan's family and friends, as well as our community, keep Ryan and those who loved him in their thoughts and prayers. So they said also, please keep in mind that the real victim in this tragedy is Ryan Poston. Anyone who ever knew Ryan knows her claims of self-defense are absurd. We look forward to the day when the truth comes out in a
court of law, not from the mouth of a criminal defense lawyer trying his case in the media. Now, here's the thing, though, okay? The problem, if you didn't have those downstairs neighbors, her story could be very believable. Sure. Very believable, because if you...
Called someone 75 times a fucking night, showed up at their office, showed up at their house, wouldn't leave, wouldn't leave, wouldn't leave, said this, did that, blocked people on Facebook, hacked into your accounts. Eventually you might just be like, ah, and fucking start beating the shit out of them. That might happen. And I could see that happening very, very easily just to even a normal person could fucking snap after a year of constant shit. You know what I mean? But yeah,
That didn't seem to happen this night. And the other part is like he's participated in this for so long and stuck around for so long. It's hard to – without those people below, it's very easy to believe that he got into a situation where he just participated in the fuckery.
More and more and more. Yes, that's the other thing. You get into it too. You're fucking right. It's cyclical and it just keeps going. I'm going to make a very specific reference here that I hope people get. But do you remember Gloria, one of Tony's gumars on The Sopranos? Oh, yeah, yeah. Gloria was the one that worked at the Mercedes dealership that threw the roast beef at him and hit him in the head with it. And she went over to Junior's.
And Junior goes, what are you eating, steak? He sniffs and goes, what are you eating, steak? He smells it. Fucking hilarious. Yes, the dream. Yes. What do you want to see, this or this? That's why I'm dead. Oh, God, Jesus. Okay, but the type she was, the reason why Melfi, the psychiatrist, was like trying to warn him with her body language to not go out with her, her type of thing was...
I will get you to fight because that's what I want. And I'll get you to get to that point when she wanted him to fuck. That's why she picked Tony because she thought Tony was a violent asshole that would do that. Right. So not saying that that's Shana's thing, but a lot of times a borderline personality, that's what they do. They want...
They want combat. They need conflict. They need combat. And they want to just pull you down into this. And they won't stop until they do. No, because that passionate emotion makes them feel valuable to this. You've given them validation. Right. And now we're in conflict together.
Yep. So a judge reduced her bond from $2 million to $1 million. $2 million cash or down to $1 million cash or $2 million in property. Either or. Nobody has that for her. So she's staying in there. A few weeks after the funeral...
His dad, Ryan's dad, went there alone. And he said police had taken everything that they needed to build the case and that they gave, they turned the condo back over to the family. Yeah. And he said, this is terrifyingly sad, I laid down in his blood on the floor and I just screamed. I screamed at God and I just screamed at everything while cradling his dog, Oliver. Oh, my God.
He said the blood didn't even clean it up. No, they don't clean up your crime scene. That's on you. Oh, Jesus. They get what they need. And then if you want to do whatever you want to do with that house, they have companies that do that. But he said the blood stayed there and I kept going out there. He just kept going. And after several visits, he finally just started scrubbing the blood off the walls himself.
Holy shit. He said, I just felt this need to take care of my son like I had for years. I didn't feel like it was right for anyone else to do it except me. No one was going to do that but me. I didn't want some stranger coming in there and seeing what happened to my child. I wanted it to go away. Oh, my God. So he was getting it. That was his way of, like, cleansing it from his brain. Like, I want it out. That's his closure.
Yep. So, okay. Now we're going to get into this. Now the crazy comes even more now. Now. Yeah. And so I said, this is, this has all been pretext to this shit. Now the pretrial comes out.
And, you know, her her defense is self-defense. So she's putting it out into the media and everything else like that. They also this is another thing from the family, the Poston family. The father said for them, this is entertainment, meaning the defense attorney. For me, it's the murder of my son. That's my boy. If my son were alive, if he knew what they did to his privacy and his dignity, he'd be deeply troubled, troubled by that.
Because they were going into all of his life in much more detail, obviously, in a court case than anybody would hear. So he said that he worries that people come to know this as the Shana Huber's case and not know his son, is what he said. He said, I don't want people to know him only as a murder victim. He was a beautiful man and a great son.
Yeah. So at the trial here, OK, the prosecutor is trying to show that the relationship was frayed. They were having problems. He's making plans to see other women and everything like that. Her thing, by the way, she's trying to say that they were and this is a legal classification in the state of Kentucky, an unmarried couple. Oh, unmarried couple means that you if you say you're an unmarried couple and you're classified as that.
That show then you can say you were a victim of domestic abuse and it's a different thing you can kick in. You can kick in the battered wife syndrome and all that sort of thing. Common law shit. But she's not. They say that they rule that they do not constitute an unmarried couple.
They were sort of seeing each other. Residences just because their genitals know each other very well doesn't mean they're married. And she said, I have toothpaste there and I picked out the shower curtain. And they were like, that's not enough. So the jury's eight men and six women. There's alternates obviously there, too. And the openings are the prosecutor said, quote, Ryan wanted to stop dating Shana Hubers. But Shana Hubers did not want to stop dating Ryan Poston. She would not accept no as an answer.
Yeah. Then they showed graphic photos of the crime scene with blood still pooled on the table, on top of the dining room table there. So...
They tried to say at one point her defense team was saying that he was laying. The shots were while he was standing up and laying down, but they show that he was obviously sitting at the table because there's blood all over it that looked like it would have happened right there. They showed pictures of his dead body on the floor. Yeah, so that's a big deal is whether he was standing next to the table or sitting in a chair when he was shot. She says he was like halfway. Yeah.
He's like halfway in a chair. So you have three possible things there, either in, out, or sort of both.
So they. Yeah. And how are you going to say self-defense when the first shot is the man is in a chair or even if he's halfway out of the chair about to sit. Yeah. If he's about to sit, then go get out of there. Right. And if he's getting up, then go get out of there. Then get the fuck out of there. Exactly. Yeah. So you were just on the porch with people coming and you were weeping and there was no yelling, though. So the defense said that there's no evidence that he was actually trying to end the relationship.
So this was a good relationship. There was no evidence he was trying to end it. OK, except for Ohio at the bar, as I say, except for dating Miss Ohio. Everybody that both of them have ever talked to. He says, I want to end it. She says he's trying to dump me. Yeah. Like it's that stepfather from a minute ago. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. They said that he was under personal and professional stress.
And the couple had argued in the past and argued that night. He said, Shani Huber said, never said anything to anybody in this case other than I had to do it to save myself. Okay. Um, so the defense's theory is that he was taking out, he was a gun nut who was career, who has career was careening out of control, falling apart. And he took out his stress on his poor, innocent, younger girlfriend. That's what, that was the defense. Um,
So they start building this case. They said that he was taking some pretty strong drugs to treat depression and anxiety. And they said also his age and his and the size difference. You know, he weighs 75, 80 pounds more than her and he's bigger and he's older than her and all that sort of thing. They said he beat her up that night, tossed her around, you know, just, you know, made it so she had no choice but to shoot him that night.
The police chief, though, testifies that the pair, because he has all their text messages. Right. He said that the pair also discussed what to order for dinner together as recently as a month before the shooting. And then he invited her to have dinner and watch the vice presidential debate the night before he was killed. So they went into all that. Now, herself, people from jail start testifying. They got in jail with her. Okay.
One inmate said that she joked about the shooting and discussed her legal strategy. And they asked her, did she ever laugh? And this jailed felon said, oh, yes. A lot. And they said, what does Shana laugh about? And she said, about shooting him in the face and giving him the nose job he always wanted. And she said, that's what bothered me. She cackled afterwards. It was weird. Yeah. Yeah, because, you know, you don't seem that broken up about it here.
She also discussed her legal strategy. Quote, she said she was going to plead insanity, but that she was too smart because she had the IQ of Einstein. So she was going to plead battered wife syndrome. Yeah. She's booked at the beer and comedy tour. Yeah. Excellent. Coming up. So she's got to get off. She's got to get out of here. It's really, really prestigious. She's going to get paid nothing.
Free beer is what she's going to get. She's getting paid in pale ale, local. She thought about insanity, but being that she's such a genius, she knew that wouldn't work. Right. So she said she's just going to plead battered wife syndrome. So she also, the defense cross-examined her, and they said, haven't you had memory problems here at all? You've had issues health-wise? They asked the cellmate, and they said, well, yeah, I had a brain tumor in the past. So they say, so your memory could be fucked up. Oh, God damn it.
So that's pretty fucking funny. They also accused her of approaching prosecutors to receive a reduced sentence, but she said she did not receive anything in exchange for her statement. Another cellmate said, quote, she told me they were sitting at the kitchen table. He was sitting at the table and that he had sat his gun on the table. She told me she picked it up and said, what would you do if I and then he smirked and she shot him.
Like, you're not going to shoot me. And then she shot him. That's what this woman, Donna Dooley, testifies. She said that this part makes it a little weird. Didn't just say that. She said Shana then drew a diagram of the room and pointed out where Ryan died and described what happened and, like, you know, drew it out for her. Made a little map. What the fuck?
She turned that diagram over to prosecutors along with many handwritten notes that Shana had written about the case and what happened. So why is she doing that? This is so fucking dumb. Uh, they said that this woman said she and Shana were close friends in jail and
And that initially, Shana told her that Ryan had abused her mentally and sexually. That's what she said. That's why she did it. Later, though, she said that Shana changed her story and she said that she was the aggressor. So, yeah, I guess they vigorously cross-examined her. She stuck to her story, the cellmate. So that was that. His mom testifies and says, the night before she murdered him, she came to my home and ate at my table.
Oh, boy. Wow. She said the night before she made it clear to me that she was leaving. And I guess she didn't. So the defense now, they argue that two prescription medications found in Ryan's blood after the death could have sent him into a rage that night when he attacked her. Alprazolam?
which is a medication used to treat anxiety and amphetamines, they said, some sort of upper, I don't know what. The director of the Forensic Toxicology Lab of the University of Louisville said possible side effects of the medications could include reduced impulse control and becoming more susceptible to panic and paranoia.
Also, bullets in your head, probably. The LAM or PAM indicates that's a downer. Yeah, that's a common... Usually anxiety meds are downers. Yeah, you don't... They usually chill out meds. They pump you up to calm you down. Rarely throw amphetamines in you when you've got anxiety. Yeah, that's weird. That's interesting. I don't know if that's a real downer, so they gave him another pill so he could function. You know what I mean? That's odd because he had multiple...
They said everything was in a system that was prescribed to him on the table. So they said that the they talk more about Shana saying the psychologist that testifies here says that she was briefly suicidal in jail following her arrest. An inmate said she woke up screaming and crying in the middle of the night.
And a friend who said Shana's text messages about wanting to turn around and shoot him during the visit to the shooting range said that she just thought it seemed like friendly banter at the time. But she also said that Ryan had even told her that he was finished with Shana about a month earlier. Even this friend, he told everybody that he was done with her, not just her.
All of her friends, his family, anybody. By the way, an investigator who found no plane ticket to Hawaii, dying aunt or hospital visit for heart problems in the days leading up to the shooting, which obviously goes against everything she said.
And the forensics and ballistics people said that while there's no way of knowing which of the six gunshots killed him, they believe he was ambulatory or possibly in motion. And he could have been the aggressor when the first one struck. That's what her person said. So it's possible. They said, we don't know, but it's possible he could have been attacking her. Now, she has a psychiatrist testify that she has Shana has post-traumatic stress disorder.
After she shot and killed him, PTSD, and a clinical psychologist testifies here saying that she exhibited symptoms of bipolar disorder as well. So they bring them in. Um,
man, this is, uh, this is wild. So the doctor testifies that Shane, his behavior in the months following the shooting was consistent with someone who had witnessed or experienced a traumatic event. He blew guys brains out. That should be traumatic. Or if it's not, you're really weird. Yeah. If that doesn't affect you negatively, Holy fuck, lock you up forever for real, man. Uh, or have you joined the fucking military or something? Cause we might,
need people like you in another place. Outside of our borders, please. Yeah, in some sort of beret situation. Yeah. Have you thought about the Navy SEALs possibly? How do you swim?
Yeah, you're a good swimmer. He said this psychiatrist or psychologist spent a total of 12 hours with her, spread across nine visits from November 2012 through June 2014, and he said she was very restless in the early meetings. At the time, she had difficulty sleeping. She was experiencing intrusive memories when you can't stop yourself from thinking about something you don't want to think about.
You know, like everyone has. That's pretty normal, I think. Or maybe it's just me. I don't know. Shayna also spoke about the shooting in the third person, he said. Wow, that is really weird. Then Shayna did this. Huh?
Pardon me, Ricky Henderson, what are we talking about here? They also, in mid-December, this guy administered a 100-question survey known as a trauma symptom inventory that's used to help diagnose PTSD. He said, I felt it was legitimate and she needed to be medicated for those symptoms.
He also administered psychological tests to assess her emotional state and whether she was completely competent to stand trial. She scored a 125 on the IQ test. Oh, so she is smart. Which is smart. She should know better. 95th percentile. The average in the U.S. is 100. So, yeah, when you think, God, there's a lot of dumb people out there, think about it. Those are the people driving it down to 100. They must have a fucking 75. That's what's out there, everybody. Yeah.
So he also told the jury that she exhibited signs of narcissistic, of narcissism. No. Shocking. She thinks she's better than people? Wow. He said she comes across as somewhat self-centered. She's a very intelligent woman with many academic achievements and wanted very much to talk about that. Wow.
Wow. She wanted to say, listen, I know you're sitting here with me and I'm in jail and look like shit, but I'm actually very smart. I'm a master's student. So just so you know. Yep. Just to let you know, I graduated, you know, I came loud and fucking psychology. Yeah. I come loud as fuck.
So he said, as I sat and listened, I realized she did not understand how that was perceived by others. No, she thought she'd be impressed. No, she's got problems. So he also diagnosed her in addition to bipolar and PTSD, personality disorder with narcissistic features. And he also noted a history of alcohol and prescription pill abuse. But he said those were in remission due to being incarcerated.
Oh, so she hasn't been able to get drunk. Boozer. Yeah. Boozer pills. So under cross-examination by the prosecutor, this guy acknowledged that some of her symptoms could also be consistent with being incarcerated and charged with murder. You know, not sleeping well, things like that. This guy panic. Yeah. Afraid inmates are going to, you know, rape you with a broomstick in the night. Things of that nature. Fever dreams and, you know, prison stuff.
So the doctor also listened to the 911 call that she placed, and he concluded she was in her right mind and understood what she was saying when she admitted to the shooting and described the physical altercation that led up to it. So that's what's out there. They know she shot him. The jury just has to decide, was he trying to attack her or not?
And there isn't really, there's little to zero evidence of any physical altercation between them. All we have is we don't know, but maybe. She didn't even have like a stretched out sweatshirt neck. Like she was fine when she showed up. So that's weird. The verdict comes in five hours of deliberation, which is a good amount of time actually. They're talking about it and they find her guilty of murder.
Have to. Have to. This is far from over, by the way. Really? Oh, yeah. So during her sentencing phase, they hear from Ryan's sister and also Shana's mother. Shana's mother's name is Sharon. So I almost said Sharon's mother, Shana, and I went backwards. So Sharon testified about her daughter's long list of academic and civic achievements, which
Yeah. Yeah.
But the prosecutor asks for life in prison, they want. She said, quote, however, when you are that smart, maybe you should be held to a higher standard. You know better. You can think through options.
Right. Which is a good point. Yeah. They brought in Ryan's sister who said that Shana had created a void in her family that can never be filled. She said, you never get to say bye. When you never get to say bye to someone, you know that they were in so much pain, your heart is breaking. Your heart actually feels like it's crumbling in your chest. You feel empty. I never got to say goodbye to my brother. I never got to hug my brother one last time.
So, Shana testifies as well in this sentencing phase. Whoa. They give her transcripts of her interrogations to go over. Well, what about when you said this and all that kind of thing? Everything. She talked about a lot of text messages back and forth between them. They asked her, what did you tell the police officer when you asked specifically, when he asked you specifically, is that your residence? Right.
She said, I don't live with him. That's what she told the cop. So, yeah. So they said you cooked and cleaned for him. You are his food delivery lady is what they said. Um,
She also reminded Shana that she claimed with her friends on the phone to have, quote, slept with 10 different men during a seven-month period when they were broke up. Oh, Jesus. Which, I mean, you're allowed to sleep with as many people as you want to. That's an obvious ploy there. But they're saying you were so in love with them, you're banging everybody. And you're trying to –
She's doing that to try and make him jealous. She wants him to find out about all these guys. Yes. And you say that's shitty, but if there was a guy who shot his wife and they were like, didn't you fuck 10 women while you were, how much did you love your wife? It would look terrible. You know what I mean? No one would call it slut shaming. They'd call it murderer fucking. They'd call it boxing in a murderer is what they'd call it. So.
If you do that ahead of time, it's shitty. Once she's convicted, listen, you killed the guy. It wasn't self-defense. Fuck you. So it's a different story at that point. She shot back, quote, I may have slept with 10 different guys in 2012, but I don't see how that's relevant to any of this shit on the stand. To any of this shit. Hillbilly coming out. This is her sentencing hearing. God damn it.
She doesn't know? Wow. That is wild. Yeah. So her attorney asked if they slept together, engaged in sexual relations, went out on dates, and Shana said yes. She also said she had a key to the condo. She described how they took in a kitten for a time. Yeah. She said that, by the way, a psychologist had testified during the sentencing that she had extreme difficulty with rejection as part of her psychological makeup. There it is. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, that is interesting here. So the judge called the killing as cold-blooded an act as I've seen in the more than three decades I've been in the legal system and said, I never heard a word or saw a look from you that said, I'm sorry. Right. Where are you at? You, ma'am. Yeah, you said, this shit. Right. You called my courtroom shit is what you did. This shit. You, ma'am, may fuck off 40 years.
That's pretty good. Not bad. But it's, hmm, I don't like putting a number on it. It's tough. Yeah, that's tough. When it's like that? Yeah. The comments she's made? I don't like it. She tried to get the unmarried couple status because that would allow her for earlier parole consideration. But the judge ruled they were not an unmarried couple. They were just two people. And so she is eligible for parole, her first hearing in 20 years.
Okay. So she could do 20, which would still, she's going to be like 42 when she gets out at that point. That's nothing. That's young. Yeah. Ryan's dad, Jay, said, since Ryan's birth, I gauged my well-being by this. He said, my plan in life was I would be with my son. I would be a doting grandfather, and that was my whole focus. Oh, wow.
My name ends with this. He was my lineage. He was the last of me. They don't have another son. That's the last time she killed. And the three daughters are from the mom. So he's got no, he's got nothing. No. He said my sole purpose in life for these three last three years was to bring justice to my son's name. Now I have to find the next stage.
He said he hasn't gone to therapy and doesn't think he will go. He said he's not sure he wants to get better. He's not sure he wants. He wants to feel the pain. Well, to him, if the pain goes away, then his son's gone.
If he feels the pain, then his son's still there in some way, shape, or form. That's what I imagine is going on here. I'm not a psychiatrist. It's a terrible way to approach that. It's a painful. It's a way to just stick a fucking knife in your stomach and twist it every day. Every day. Every day. It's going to shave years off his life. Oh, yeah. That's so fucked. He said part of that is the guilt. If you start getting better, if you're happy, you're doing a disservice to your child. Yeah.
I do know that's not true, but it's still there eating at you. I do find solace in knowing that one day I'll be reunited with my son. It's a shallow victory. Our son is dead, is what his mom said. Jesus. And then Jay said, from the very beginning, we never for a second, any of us thought that Ryan did anything to deserve what happened to him. We got justice for him and we can live with that because that's what we have to do. Nothing you can do. Okay. 2016. No.
Here we go. Okay. She's filing an appeal and hires a new lawyer. Now, while this lawyer is looking over everything, because they go over every inch of the case to see it, she recognizes one of the juror's names, but she couldn't put a face to it. Is it Miss Ohio? No, no, no. Then she sees the juror and recognizes him immediately as a former client of hers.
Now, back in 1992, when this juror was 30 years old, he was $8,249.30 back child support payments. So he was charged with, quote, flagrant nonpayment of child support, which is a felony. The lawyer who represents Shana in her appeal represented him in that case.
The court set up payments. He avoided jail time and was put on probation. Okay. Now, this woman sees that guy was on the jury and said, holy shit, I recognize the name. I saw him and said, what are the odds? If I wasn't watching and paying attention, I wouldn't have seen it. If I hadn't remembered the name, if I hadn't been me, it's the weirdest. If it was any other lawyer, they wouldn't have known.
After her findings, she went on to determine whether this juror's conviction was pardoned by the governor or if his rights had been restored. Otherwise, he can't serve on a jury. He can't be on a jury. He's a felon. Oh, wow. So she couldn't find any evidence of that. Oh, boy. So her next move, she went to the courthouse, filed a motion disclosing the finding and asking them to set aside the conviction and declare a mistrial and order a new trial.
The motion refers to the jurors, juror number 483. And they sealed all the names and all this type of shit. So this is fucking wild. So they said they and they found out that, yes, he was convicted of a felony. No, he wasn't. Never had his rights. They said the lawyer said, I like to think that most people don't lie. Maybe he didn't lie. Maybe he just didn't understand.
That's why he didn't check the box saying he was a felon. Yeah, he was not convicted of a violent felony. Yep, and they said, there's no foolproof way to catch this. I would have thought the clerk's office would have checked, but then again, why would they? We asked jurors a series of questions, and we trust them to be fair and honest. They're under oath up there. He said, it's not a foolproof system. So they take that conviction and throw it right in the garbage. That whole case is thrown away.
All that money out the window. Thrown out the window. New trial time. Wow. Yep. She gets a new trial.
New trial here. Oh, my God. Even if even if they don't have ways of checking. You know, if you've got if you if you're putting people away for 40. They went to the top of a hill, yelled into the holler and nobody called back for 40 fucking years. They're putting somebody in prison. You're not going to check if all 12 people are good, are allowed to do that. Right.
That's wild. The judge wrote in the ruling, it's well established that the federal constitution is a floor, not a ceiling, and states are free to provide citizens with additional protections above and beyond the constitutional floor. In this case, the state of Kentucky said felons can't be on juries. There you go. The juror said he never saw himself as a felon. He didn't do it on purpose. He said, I went to court for child support payments. I got behind.
Evidently, my opinion doesn't matter because of that. Yeah, he said he filled it out and he checked the box indicating he'd never been convicted of a felony because he just didn't think that it happened. The defense attorney said they could have chosen one of any of a million attorneys. They happened to choose me to do the appeal. I happened to be the one who represented the convicted felon. Otherwise, nobody would have picked up on it. Wow.
Fucking incredible. They did say, though, that the number of people, it's not going to change their procedures. Yeah.
Because they said the actual number of people who forget their criminal record or want to risk committing perjury is vanishingly small. Unfortunately, in one of the most high-profile cases for the Commonwealth, vanishingly small became a 100% reality. Yikes. Yep. And then they were so happy the judge threw out the case that the lawyer said, can you believe that? I cannot believe it that the judge actually had the gumption to do it and follow the law. He's the best judge to ever do it, ever to ever judge anything. Ever to judge anything.
Now, Ryan's family said, well, this doesn't help at all. No. They said it's a wound that just won't heal, just won't go away. They even said they're very classy people, though. Very classy. Jay Poston said, I'm not mad at Judge Stein one bit. He's an extremely capable judge, and we're fortunate to have him be the judge in the case. Fantastic. It's a law family. They understand the law. Some people that don't understand will be like, they did that. They should have bent the law. They get it. It's a procedure. They understand. So 2018,
Shana from prison files paperwork to get a license to marry a transgender woman in prison. Okay. Yeah. The inmate goes by the name Unique Taylor, was booked under the name Richard McBee. So went from Dickie McBee to Unique Taylor, which is a much better name than Dickie McBee. Yeah. And they said the judge told her that she had to fill out additional forms before granting the marriage license. Okay. Okay.
Retrial time. Here we go. Attorneys want to block the jury from hearing her statements to the police. They don't want them to hear the interrogation. When you see her dancing around singing, I did it, it's not good. It's bad, yeah. It's fucking bad. It's an amazing grace. Like, she's...
Like she's been put in a prison camp for, you know, for trying to get women to vote or something or, you know, some like cause. She shot a guy. Metal cop dragging it down the rails. Yeah. Yeah. She's a political prisoner for Christ's sake. So.
The attorney said that the statements, a prosecutor, the prosecutor said the statements were all part of the Shana Huber's show. So they should see it. They should see the full show. And they said that Huber's Miranda rights were violated that night because she asked to speak to an attorney, but they continued to interrogate her. They said, no, no, there was no interrogation. And if you watch the video, they did not interrogate her.
really she just she might have said i like in a turn she just kept fucking talking she wouldn't shut the fuck up i those were uninterrupted monologues i gave you those are just her thoughts you what are you supposed to do shut the fuck up you want to they said you have the right to incriminate yourself or not yeah sure yeah you could have remained silent you don't want to so they said she spoke freely they said the shana huber show was on that night and uh they said uh
They said she was asked to talk for all this time without interruption. And they said if you talked, it would have interrupted her performance. She was putting on a fucking show. She was giving it to us. Yeah. She said, just to recap, I don't want to go to prison. I don't think I deserve to. I didn't go over there intending to shoot Ryan. I went over there with the best of intentions.
and all of that. That's what she said. And also the, you're a hillbilly from Kentucky. Right. And the hillbilly came out in me. So she won. Stick up for, yeah, I decided to, I took up for myself. That's what it was. So they want to change a venue saying the local media sites have played clips from the original trial around this area and they're everywhere. And so they said that's destroyed her presumption of innocence and all that sort of thing. The problem is,
In an effort by the defense to move the trial out of northern Kentucky, it was discovered that they had a petition with 122 signatures. The notary of these 122 signatures, Brittany Young, admitted that she forged all but three of the signatures she notified. Brittany. Brittany. So that's not great. Yeah.
She's got a new defense. Papa got a brand new bag, motherfucker. She says the defense is focusing on the relationship in the opening statements. Her attorney said in the year and a half that Hubers and Poston were dating. Shana never had an orgasm. Didn't expect me to say that, did you, everybody?
Everybody out there who just stopped and looked at their phone or their car thing that you're hooked up to and said, what the fuck did he just say? Yes. She never had an orgasm. What does that have to do with this? We'll find out. This is crazy. This remember when I said here comes the crazy. This all is crazy. This murder is just pussy frustration. You guys pussy pussy frustration.
She never reached an orgasm and went to extreme lengths to please him sexually. Okay. They said the level of scrutiny on their relationship was not...
They're saying now they're really going to push in an area they didn't push into in the first trial. Oh, boy. The defense still says that she shot him in self-defense. But now they're saying they're putting the jury into a world of two deeply flawed persons in an unhealthy relationship, quote unquote. OK. So they're saying it wasn't like he's a good guy and she's good and he just had a bad night and she shot him. Now they were both just bad people, but he's worse. Yeah.
He's a monster. And she can't come. And she can't come. Even though she was come loud. Yeah. She graduated can't come loud in 2011. She graduated come loud and he can't make her. So that deserves a couple of shots. A mess. A mess. So in the openings here, the prosecutor said that they wouldn't try to paint Ryan as the perfect boyfriend. Yeah.
They do insist that he wasn't abusive. It doesn't say you have to be a nice guy and a good boyfriend or else you're allowed to get shot. Right. If someone's in fear of their life, they can shoot you. That's it. You can be a dick otherwise. You can text them and say, fuck off. That's fine. This country would be a body, a wasteland of men's bodies if it was you can't make her come, you die. Look at Antietam Battlefield. Every city. Every town. Every front lawn. So...
They said that she shot him because he was trying to end the relationship and that's what happened. Now, the defense says on the first night that they met, Ryan was sexually and physically violent to her. So now that he sexually assaulted her the first night they were together. Day one. And after that, it took weeks for Shana to respond to his messages, which isn't true, I don't think. So they also said that Shana never had an orgasm while she was with him. God damn it.
He mentioned it at least four times during his opening statement, by the way, that she never had an orgasm. So he said that Ryan constantly badgered her about her weight and breast size, saying that he wanted her to have larger breasts. He said, quote, she could not reach orgasm.
I never, never want this said about me. That was a constant theme in that relationship. There were extreme lengths to which Ms. Ubers would go to please Mr. Poston sexually. At one point, she got a shot in hopes that would help her get an orgasm. I don't know what orgasm...
What orgasm injection you can get. But ladies, apparently there's a fucking injection that will make you come better. So I would get that if I were you. Was it for her or for him? For her. Was it an injection that she got? She got an injection that will make her come harder. I didn't know. Or come at all. Usually that's cock.
That's a penile injection or a dildo or whatever you got there. But Jesus, they would break up, get back together. They would talk to other people. The relationship was flawed. Both sides will agree on that. They said on the night of the shooting, the prosecution said it was finally time for him to break up with her because she wouldn't leave him alone. She came over and blah, blah, blah. They said she was relentless in her efforts to stay with him. Yeah.
Now, this trial has 11 women and three men on the jury. So there's your your alternates in there, too. On the first day, they listened to her. They all of her stuff is in, by the way, her interrogation, text messages with friends, everything. On the first day, they listened to her describe the shooting just as the prosecution promised. They said, you're going to hear her talk about it.
And she does. The 911 call, the interrogation. They describe her as jealous, calculating, manipulative, and that she'd do anything to get what she wanted. They said that they'll prove he was not abusive and all of that. So they said, when we stand before you and tell you that Shana Huber's made a conscious decision, an intentional decision to kill Ryan Poston, we're going to ask you to take her word for it. Her words. That's what they said. Yeah.
Her words here. Use those. So the one she said saying she's guilty. Let's just use that. That's all you need. Her defense says she acted under extreme emotional duress and self-defense. They said from the outside, they're a perfect looking couple from the inside. It's two deeply flawed persons in an unhealthy relationship that ended tragically.
So over the course of this video here, they talk to her. They see her in the in the room. She talks to at least three different officers telling them about the abuse she suffered throughout the relationship. Recalling that night, they watch her sing Amazing Grace. Yeah. And she asked if she can call her mother at one point.
They hear her say, I shot him in the face. I gave him the nose job he wanted. That circulated for a long time there. She also tells the officer, I'm not a murderer, ma'am. She also tells another officer that the initial shots were self-defense, but then the ones after that were because he was in pain, and I put him out of his misery and couldn't stand watching him twitch.
Holy shit. So one inconsistency between the crime scene and what she says is they said, quote, Ms. Ubers said she was thrown around, but we didn't see anything knocked over. OK. They said that she was in an emotional state when interviewed. And they said, last question, when you were with Ms. Ubers, did you see tears? They asked the cop and she said, no, ma'am.
She didn't cry that whole time. She was upbeat. She was acting like she got in a car accident. And, you know, the other car is kind of fucked up in the fender. So we have to find out what happens to see who his insurance is going to pay for it. But everybody's feeling fine. She's hitting check drop material with jokes, man. It's fucking wild. Yeah. So they said text messages also sent to her friend that were read in court that said there's a thin line between love and hate. My love has turned into hate. Okay.
And another and then all the other text messages about I can shoot him around, shoot him and turn around and act like it was an accident. The defense attorney, though, says there's all sorts of guns in the apartment. The jury was shown a number of handguns, a rifle and ammunition that was kept in various locations around his home. He doesn't have kids or anything. You can put it wherever he wants. Just him. Just a dude sitting there. You don't expect your girlfriend to shoot you, I would hope. Right.
So they said the autopsy testimony, they showed everybody all this, you know, all the horrible stuff and autopsy photos and everything like that. And they said that the one lawyer who was with the Hubers at the police department before she was recorded in the interview room said that Hubers made the nose job comment before saying it in the interview room. So she said it twice.
They said Huber said it was funny that the guns Poston loved so much killed him. Oh, that's pretty funny, right? She's so fucking weird and glib about this shit that
It's just so disturbing. It's disturbing. It's not the right emotional response you're giving here at all. You're giving a weird like cutting the brake lines in a dude's prized fucking Ferrari. You know, I mean, like, yeah, yeah, it's wild that the thing he loved the most is the thing that shot him off the edge of a cliff and burst him into a ball of flames. It's just shocking. What a thing to say.
They have a new psychologist also. The Huber's team. It should be the Hubris team. Honestly. Her name should be Shana Hubris. That would be much better.
They said that Friday here at this trial, of the trial, they said an insanity defense was not going to be an option. They said he believes that she has a borderline personality disorder. Now, as a layman, that's what I would have said based on the fucking combat combat. I'll show up and make you fight me, motherfucker. You can't get away from me unless you go to the moon. I will show up. And the impulsive behavior without...
Without really any thought of consequences is just it's it's a and it's a no lack of concern for anybody else. It's it's really disturbing. Narcissism was a good way to put it. Yeah. Yeah. They said that he she was probably exhibiting signs of borderline personality disorder and complex PTSD when she shot.
Her boyfriend here. She said she the psychologist also said she was probably showing signs of secondary sexual abuse, trauma and sexual dysfunction. Also, which showed up in her text messages. They said, did she know what she was doing when she shot him? And the guy said, yes. So he said, there's no insanity defense, not a chance. That's her psychologist said that.
So this guy said he thinks some of Huber's behaviors, including an unwillingness to leave an abusive relationship and frantic efforts to avoid abandonment, match a borderline personality disorder diagnosis. The 75 texts Huber sent to Ryan in one hour on a spring 2012 day and coming to his condo without an invite multiple times are examples of trying to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Yeah.
Yeah, and youthful lack of fucking arthritis. That is incredible that she can type that fast. That's a lot. So many. Hopefully it's all not misspelled voice to text. Dude, that is more than one a minute. That is fucking fast. Yeah, a minute. Yeah, you're right, a minute, an hour. Wow. They said also becoming promiscuous, issues of a changing self-identity and self-damaging behaviors, including drinking to the point of blacking out, are other ways she exhibited borderline personality disorder. Yeah, what the fuck happened to her?
Now, she testifies and says that, yeah, she shot him in self-defense. But now she has a whole new story about now she's talking about her background saying that she was sexually abused as a child. Okay. That makes sense. That makes sense. I don't know what that has to do with shooting this guy. It doesn't excuse a goddamn thing. But their defense is going to be then he abused her on their first night they met. Okay. Yeah.
So, she testifies on the stand to being shoved into a bathroom stall at a high school football game and, quote, sexually molested at age 16. Yikes. I don't know if it was by an adult, by a fellow student. I don't know what happened. She also testified she was molested by a slightly older female friend in her mother's walk-in closet when she was five years old and in kindergarten. So, some other kid who had been abused, that would be. Yeah.
They said that there's circumstantial evidence to support that the day she shot him was a PTSD anniversary of when she was sexually assaulted in high school. So they're saying that was an anniversary of it. So this never came up before, by the way. No kidding. This is the first time. Prosecutors pressed him about the prior testimony. Also, she testified that her father touched her breasts when she was a child. Eee.
Yeah. Now, this this psychologist said he spent seven hours at the home of her parents, Sharon and Robert Hubers. And the psychologist said he did not ask her father whether he touched her breasts when she was a child. He said, quote, It was quite obvious when I was talking to him that he was a significantly mentally ill man.
Then he asked the parents together about the breast touching claim and, quote, the answer was, I don't know what she's talking about. Didn't happen. And something along those lines. OK. OK. So they also read text messages from Ryan at the request of the prosecutor. And during this, she said he was probably at the bar and she wanted to make sure she wasn't cheating on her. And then at one point she said, quote, he's such a loser. I swear to God, he doesn't have a job. L.O.L.
Because he's trying to go out with chicks. So when she testifies here, she pointed to her sex life with Ryan as the demise with him. She talked about also physical and verbal abuse from Ryan that started when they first met on her 20th birthday, April 8, 2011, at a Lexington, Kentucky bar. After dating him, she said that he was upset at her inability to orgasm with him.
I mean, if it's that big a deal, fucking fake it. If you don't care and he's all up in arms and you're like, listen, I don't give a fuck, then just fucking go, yeah, yeah, it was great. Yeah, I got it. Well, great. I mean, Jesus Christ, we've had whole sitcom episodes about this. It's very possible. If it's going to drive you to fucking murder...
He's got to be concerned with it. I'm not saying you should have sex with him over and over again and fake it, but if you like the sex and don't care about the orgasm, but he gets upset about that and you want to make it different, then just fucking fake it for five seconds. Pretend, yeah. I've seen porn. They aren't fucking coming. And then like a month later be like, I haven't came in like a month. It's weird. And then he'll be like, oh, let's get it back. I don't know. Then he'll work on it. But I don't know. Whatever. It doesn't matter. So...
She said that Ryan asked her about her sexual history. She said that she was molested sexually as a child and as a teen on a couple of occasions. She said that Ryan told her that talking about her history of abuse might help her orgasm. No way.
Maybe if like a psychologist to clear it out so that's not on your mind and then maybe you can concentrate on that. But telling him about how someone diddled you isn't going to make you come hard. That's not foreplay. That's not foreplay. In 2012, they had a sexual encounter that went wrong. She said she refused his request for a specific sexual act and everything changed after that. Does she want to say what it is? She said it felt degrading.
And she said, I didn't know if I trusted him. He asked if she had more feelings and he said, I feared him at that point. So, yeah, she testified she feared him from the first time they met on her birthday. He grabbed her hand with a strong grip. He walked ahead, pulling her by the hand to a second bar after the party. Seated at the bar, she said he reached underneath the table and grabbed her bare thigh.
She went to the bathroom and got a cab, called a cab to get away. She recounted also times they were drunk and had rough sex. At one point in spring of 2012, she said he grabbed her and threw her out of the condominium onto the porch. When she tried to get back inside, he repeatedly slammed the door on her body as she was in the doorway and he threw her keys and purse at her.
So that's what her claim is there. I'm bad at math, but I already know that she was drinking it when she was 20. Is the legal drinking age in Kentucky 13 or something? It's certainly not. Why is she at a bar? Why is she on it? You're right. Why is she drinking at 20 and then just a little bit of Kentucky with a guy 10 years old? Yeah.
Also, most college kids have fake IDs, too. Yeah, that's true. That's another thing. I mean, I don't. I'm no better. I was sober at 20. I didn't care. We just go to the place that you knew would sell you beer. That guy doesn't care. Let's go there before they shut him down.
So on the stand for the second day, more lurid details. Huber said that Ryan repeatedly asked her to get a shot that would help her achieve an orgasm again, which she said she did. The issue of her inability to reach orgasm during their sexual encounters keeps coming up. She said she didn't go through with the injection. Oh, I guess she said she did, but now she said she didn't. But she did agree to other sex acts with him. She said, I felt it was something that was important to him and I wanted to please him.
They also read text messages from Shana to her friends saying that the sex acts brought them closer together and that she liked them. Her testimony said, no, that's not true, though. That actually drove them apart. They're like, well, why did you text your friends the opposite unsolicited? They didn't say, how was the rough sex you had last night? You said this is what happened and I liked it and bringing us closer together. It's actually good. We're pushing boundaries together.
Yeah. And another exchange of messages, Shana asked him for sex, but said that Ryan said he was taking antidepressants and didn't have a big sex drive due to the side effect of the medication. That is a bummer. Yeah. He said he also said that he didn't want to have sex because I couldn't reach orgasm. He said he didn't see the point. What's the point? You can't come anyway. Yeah. Just jerk me off. It's fine.
She also went into details about the text messages they exchanged describing sexual activities and even a deal the couple struck in order to bring another woman into their bed. Maybe that'll help. Damn it, you guys. The conditions of the deal were that he would put 10 photos on her back. What is this? On her back of his Facebook profile. And he would show more affection for Shana and communicate more.
Oh, 10 photos of her back on. So if another woman's allowed to come in, he'll put up the 10 photos that he took down back on his Facebook of them together so everybody sees that they're together. These two need to go the fuck away from each other. Apart. Oh, God. Opposite Maine and San Diego. That's it. Miami and Seattle. Let's go. Fast. Fast.
fucking continents aren't even a god new zealand and fucking england let's go photos back up of you if you let me oh god and he would show more affection and communicate with her more that was the deal she also admitted on the stand she lied to ryan about the other men she was seeing she added trust and fidelity were issues on both sides of the relationship the
The prosecutor said, obviously, there's been a lot of times where you were going behind each other's backs. Shana said, yes, yeah, we had a lot of arguments about that. She also said that, yes, she would log on to his Facebook and block women. Oh, God.
She said also that morning of the shooting, she had asked to be taken in for, will you take me to urgent care? She said that she thought she would be okay and handed her a Xanax. I guess her mom gave her a Xanax. Oh, he gave her a Xanax. She told him she was going to the doctor with her mother, and she said, I felt like he should have taken me to the doctor. But instead, she didn't even go to the doctor. She went to the fucking mall and ate Robert Evans. Bob Evans looked at...
You don't have fucking Dillard's. Jesus Christ. Wow. So she also gave her version of the encounter. She said that she was afraid one sexual encounter, by the way, she said she was afraid that he was going to snap her neck during one of them.
She also said, quote, he was standing up from the chair and he was reaching across the table. I don't know if he was reaching for the gun or reaching for me, but I was still sitting on the floor at this point and time. And I got up off the floor and I shot him. So then they show prosecutors bring in a ton of text messages talking about basically she's upset because she can't come. Not him. And, you know, she's not even upset with him.
So one exchange here, the police chief reads about, talks about differing counts of their first sexual encounter in May of 2011. And according to the conversation, the sheriff said neither of them orgasmed based on the text message conversation. Yeah, that was worth it. Yeah. So she expressed dissatisfaction with her lack of orgasm, and he expressed no dissatisfaction is what they said.
And then he read a January 5th text conversation between them where she said, thank you for your understanding, patience and kindness with the orgasm thing. Again, thanks a lot. Wow. So they prosecutors said, you know, what did he say about how she could help achieve an orgasm? Did she try to tell her to?
do this shit. He did. Ryan did tell her in a text that surgically enhancing her breasts might, it might help her achieve work. What have you had? I don't know. Tits. You could come harder. That's just the way they're coming off. Yeah.
They also testified seeing no evidence of any marks on her body whatsoever. No torn clothes, no stretched out neck, no anything. She had testified, though, that he picked her up by the back of her bra and the seat of her pants and threw her several times across the room toward the door. In Old West, get out of my saloon style. Yeah.
So, yeah, they also brought a college friend of hers named Carissa Carlisle saying he wanted to end the relationship multiple, multiple times. Carlisle, oh, that's her friend and his friend. That's his step cousin, her friend, the one that hooked them up. Oh, God.
She said she never actually listened to me about anything, even though I told her the relationship was ending. She would take my phone multiple times to communicate with Ryan. I told her not to take my phone. She'd grab it to send texts. And she's like, dude, don't do that. Yeah, but I'm blocked. Give me the fucking phone. Fuck. I got to do it.
In the closings, they said a crime scene forensics expert said that Shana had the gun. She had the power. She could have held that gun and moved to the exit. Not only did she not use the exit, she advanced toward him and shot him. Great point. That's the crime scene. Once you have the gun, you don't have to do anything. Right. Or if you do, I think one shot would probably give them the idea so you can get away. Yeah. But they said it was bang, bang, and then a pause, and then fucking dumped four more. Four more, yeah. That was what the people downstairs heard.
verdict comes in here again let's see here she is found guilty again oh boy guilty again and this time they go to sentencing here and the judge says you ma'am may fuck off life in prison oh no oh yeah she traded in 40 for life and uh divulging that we all know she can't come and she can't come
Oh, shit. Life and press. Speaking of not being able to come, 2019, she files for divorce from her jail spouse. From Dickie B. From Dickie B. What was it? Unique. Unique. So, wow. Filed for a divorce here. She married Unique Taylor. On the divorce record, Taylor is referred to by her birth name. The father.
divorce filing states uh taylor had now is not in prison anymore oh is now left lives in arizona and is a tattoo artist is that right that's right unique yourself i'm coming unique i'm gonna come get a tattoo uh i'm gonna guess camelback seventh avenue ish area yeah i would guess i'm gonna guess uh gilbert area
Maybe. So they said in the papers that the marriage between them is irretrievably broken. And that's how that goes. Twenty twenty one. Her former cellmate comes out and says that this is fucking amazing. Shana took notes on the Jodi Arias trial the whole time leading up to her trial. The Jodi Arias case. She loved it.
She sang the same song. It's the exact same song. Wow. She is Jodi Arias. And that's what they did. They called her Kentucky Jodi Arias. Unbelievable. And that's how it was. They said that she was obsessed with her. Yeah. Obsessed with fucking with, you know, Jodi Arias. I hope you meet Mary, sir. Yeah. Jodi Arias. Yeah. Yeah.
She said, Oh, my.
And a 2016 article from Arizona from KNXV, which is what, 15? Channel 5, ABC. 5 called her the Kentucky Jodi Arias. And they said, oh, they have one too. Currently, if you'd like to get a hold of Shana, you can absolutely do that by going to writeaprisoner.com. She is so accessible. This is where we get the people for the prisoner dating game. Would you like to hear her profile? Of course you would. Oh, Jesus Christ.
Hello. Hi. I can't come. My name is Shane and Michelle Hubers and I can't come. I'm a Lexington, Kentucky native and a 2012 graduate of the University of Kentucky with my bachelor's of science degree. After making the dean's list in 2010 or 11, do they think, what is she doing? She tells people this thinking doesn't understand. Nobody knows. This is a dating thing. Yeah.
This is different. I completed an undergrad in only three years and was in graduate school, obtaining my master's degree at the time of my October 2012 arrest and incarceration at only 21 years old. I attended college on a full vocal music performance scholarship as a 2008 alumni of Kentucky's prestigious Governor's School for the Arts, and I'm an all-state vocal musician.
This is not what you do. These are my interests. I want to hear what your interests are. This is why I'm amazing. Wow. Music is very important to me. I play multiple musical instruments. Music has given me a productive and positive coping outlet while incarcerated, and I taught myself guitar during COVID. Oh, my God.
Tiny tits, though. Wow. Little tits and I can't come, though, in case you were wondering.
It has been almost 10 years now I've been locked away from the free world. I was tried twice on the same court case. I'm praying for the best outcome as my case is still under review. She's appealing still. I have hope and faith for our future. Kentucky is also an interesting Commonwealth state with ever-changing laws and sentences. Is this anything about we should hang out? Nothing. Nothing.
I have grown much since the 21-year-old girl I was in October 2012 at the time of my arrest. I'm looking for someone who won't judge me by my past, but by the woman I've become. I'm so mad I didn't find her for prisoner dating. Honest to Christ. She would be perfect. Then you look at her case and go, oh, she's a boyfriend murderer who can't come. Perfect. She's hot.
And she's hot. So they said, no one really knows or can explain what I've been through besides me. It can be hard to be judged by false conviction theories in the media used to obtain television ratings and a conviction and maximum penalty in court.
The court doesn't care about the TV ratings, by the way. Not at all. They don't give a shit about that. I appreciate someone who can look beyond that to share intelligent conversation. Finally, what about you? To share intelligent conversation and hopefully build a lasting connection and friendship. I've been through a heartbreaking journey, but I haven't given up on meeting someone true, loyal, loving, respectful, nonjudgmental, and devoted.
Waiting to hear from you, Shana. You can keep on waiting. I have a feeling you might get a couple of messages out of this, but it might not be for dates. There you go, everybody.
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