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- Shout out to the sponsor of today's episode. That is SeatGeek, whoo, SeatGeek. Make sure you click the link in the description to download the app. Guys, welcome back to the Jess Trish Podcast today. I am so excited. - I'm so excited. - Oh my God, one of my favorite obsessions ever. I can't believe she's here. Gotta catch 'em all, Pokey Mane, or Pokemon. - Just call me Pokey. Everyone's, so how do you say it? Do you say like, just call me Pokey. Don't even, don't stress, sweetie pie. Don't stress. Just say Pokey.

stressful because I was like looking to make sure I got it right and I heard you on podcast say everyone says Pokimane but it's Pokemon because your name's actually Iman which I actually didn't know either and I was like wow I'm learning so much already I don't mind when people say Pokimane I'm like that's like if you were reading it in English that's how it would be read so it makes sense yeah but Poki's even cuter and we've been calling you Poki we're like I love Poki it's like a little nickname do you like it yeah I feel friendly with everyone when they say Poki I'm like

Especially because growing up, I always wanted a nickname. But my name's Iman. You can't really shorten it or do much with it. Half the people can't even pronounce it. So I'm like...

But now I get a nickname and it's Pokey and I love it. And your name is so perfect. I didn't know it was pronounced Pokemon because your name, that's actually so perfect. Oh my God, I kind of live for it. My little like 17-year-old pun, you know, I was like, I really did something. Is that when you came up with it? When you were 17? Oh my gosh. Okay, I need to get like, because I'm sure a lot of people are familiar, but I just need to get into like the background of where you came to be. Honestly, I'm shocked you even knew who I was and honored because you're like, you're an internet icon.

Oh my gosh. Thank you. But you are the it girl. You are everything everywhere. But I'm honestly excited to tell you everything. Like I want to tell you all the streaming tea, everything about my life, literally whatever. I love it. I'm just in like such a great, like I'm in the perfect place in my career where I'm like, yeah, I'll say whatever. No, but you,

You're like that. That's what I love about you. You're actually so real because so many people are so concerned about like, oh my God, I don't want to make, you know, say the wrong thing, whatever. But you're so truthful. You're a truth teller. Actually, one of the biggest reasons that I just was dying to come on the podcast is because when you guys mentioned me specifically, I remember you said, oh, she's so sassy. I love her. And I was like,

No one's real like that. I love. I mean, so many. And that's something, frankly, like I struggle with. Like sometimes I lose myself because sometimes people take some sassiness as like meanness or they're like, oh, you're sassy. That means anytime you're nice, that's fake. And I'm like, no, like I mean everything. You're both. Like when I'm really sweet, like I'm so excited and sweet and happy. And if I clap back, like I clap back. I'm a robot. I love it.

clap back. I love it. Especially in this age, no one claps back. You know what I mean? That's why I totally respected it with like the cookies and all that stuff. I'm like, you know, I'll apologize. Of course, if I ever offend anyone, like that's never my intent. When you're like, I love her sassiness. I'm like, that is me. And it's so real. So when you do get like, when you do get like so much attention, right? For a clap back, like the cookie thing and the money and all that stuff like that. Do you actually like ever get like anxious or are you just like, that's not what I meant. Like people should know this. Um, it's tough to say. It's almost like,

Girl, I like split myself into two. You know, there's like me at home who's like, wait, what? Yeah. And then of course, like publicly, I have to think through things. And if I ever apologize, like I will never fake an apology. I need to mean it. So I really had to get to a point where I'm like, even though I know my intention, even though my audience or my community gets it, once a joke or some comment that you make,

gets to people who take it differently or interpret it differently, you really have to reflect and say, oh, maybe I did let people get to me. And of course, I'll apologize if whatever happened was not at all what I intended or what I meant. And that was very much the case. So I'm like, yeah, I do regret it.

saying certain things if it wound up that way. But it's always like, I feel like too, and you say it in like fun and like just right. Like I feel like people like just don't get it. Also, I feel like because you are a girl not to be that person, but we are that podcast. You know what I mean? You really are that podcast. I'll say that much. Where we have to call

call out like just really the like blatant misogyny of it all right it's like a girl doing this stuff you get called out by all these men and it's like no matter what even if you were like in there wrong it makes me like want to come to your defense because I'm like all these guys attacking you for like but literally like nothing big it's not like you did anything crazy you feel like big sister like just take me under your wing yes yes it's like protect me and you are you're just so like sweet and like I don't know I just want to have a good time

No, but really, like, I do very much feel guilty if anyone, like, gets offended. That's the last thing I ever want to do. Like, I'm here for a good time. Not an offensive time. No. So, yeah, I really, I never mind, like, apologizing or bending the knee or whatever it is. But what do you feel? But I appreciate the people who get me. Yeah. And get that my intention would never be better.

And so many people love you. But do you feel like – and you are friends with so many. We talked about this too. Like you're – okay. So if you guys don't know, Pokimane is like literally like the gamer girl. Like you are – you not only are like dominate the gaming world as far as like females but also just males too. And then you also started like your own streaming, your own like –

company to help streamers and stuff like that. So yeah, actually, that's something not a lot of people know about me. And so I think when I launched Mina, some people were confused, but I co-founded a management firm. I've co-launched other companies. I co-owned a clothing brand. Like I just love business and business ventures and I find it so fun and enjoyable. And sometimes I'll like help in creating something and just like pass it on to people because I kind of like the challenge of

always been really interested in business. So I think when people don't know that part of my career or that history, sometimes they'll see something else. They'll be like, oh, this is like a cash grab or something else. But I'm like,

like, yeah, we got to talk about the story behind these. There's so many things we could talk about. Even from there, we got so much to talk about. So, okay. So you start these companies, I guess, let's go back from the beginning. So you're like, cause we're just like, so it seems so opposite, but at the time when I saw you, I was like, no, we're so connected because you're like a gamer girl. You're into like science math, which if you watch the podcast, like I'm always like math, science, who needs it? But you're such that girl. I got you. Not everybody needs it, but I got you. Yeah. No, I mean, cause you studied, was it chemical engineering? Which is, what even is that?

I don't even know. That's a great question. Funnily enough, I actually went into chemical engineering because I loved the idea of product creation, like creating makeup products. Yeah, chemical engineers are part of like all of these processes. And back in the day, before I even saw streaming or content creation as a viable career, I was just like, I want to make cool shit. And I wanted to bring value to people. And so that's why I was studying ChemEng. And then...

I took a year off and never went back. Okay. So, okay. So you actually, you were born in Morocco. Yes. And then you came to Canada. So your first languages were Arabic and French. Yeah. So when did you know, when did you learn English? So I grew up in, or I was born in Morocco, which...

Wow.

And then I did immersion in grade seven and eight, which is basically like half of your classes are in French and half of them are in English. Yeah. Oh my gosh. This could totally be coping. This could be the biggest excuse ever. But I swear sometimes my delivery of things

sounds harsher than I intended because I feel like when you speak French, like people are just very blunt and they speak very quickly. Like that's kind of part of like the language culture. Like every language kind of has a bit of a different culture or undertone. And so I find that sometimes being ESL is...

not helpful in those instances. Also Arabic too can kind of come across like aggressive. I don't know the language, but I'd say more like people are very like jokey or like casual, at least Moroccans. Like we don't take much seriously, you know? So yeah, that is very much part of my personality. And sometimes unfortunately does not translate well.

Right. So now you're like into English and you're like, you have a little bit of jokey. You have a little bit of the, the region. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit of it all. That makes actual like total sense. And I feel like nobody, I would not look at like, look at you and think that, that you knew all those languages that you came from all those countries. When I learned that, I was like, wow, that's actually like to me, just like a Valley girl, like just Beverly Hills princess over here. And I was like, wow, okay. That's really some like depth to it. So you moved to Canada and that's where you go to school. You go to high school and you're not doing content creation in high school, right? No.

So I started streaming part-time my last year of high school, like senior year, near the end of the year. How does that work? You go to school and then you come home and stream? Yeah. And were you making money then? Barely. Like I didn't, I never ever envisioned it to be a career path. It was just like, I don't have enough friends that game. Back then gaming was not cool. Really? Now people actually know. Not at all.

Not at all. Really? I feel like it's such a cool thing now. I know. But back then, like no one in my high school would game. I literally did not have a single other girlfriend that gamed. And I was like, I just want people to play with. I would mainly play with people either from neighboring high schools or just people I met online. Wow. Yeah. And so streaming to me was actually was like a social media where I'm like, who wants to play games?

And what were you on? Were you on YouTube streaming or where was it? No, just Twitch. Oh, so you were like starting with Twitch before you became even like partner. Yes, way, way, way before. There's so much Twitch drama. I was trying to keep up with it because I never kept up with it.

up with it in the meantime it's so funny like I swear out of all the platforms like twitch thrives off of drama the most and you've been in and out of it like not even just you intentionally but you're like okay twitch doesn't know what it's doing okay I'm back on twitch and I'm like what is happening over there yeah are we are we on twitch now are we off twitch so now we are doing whatever we want sometimes I'm on twitch sometimes I'll be on tiktok sometimes I'll be on literally I'll stream wherever whenever but back uh for the honestly for like my whole career I didn't do that

Like I never streamed on other platforms and I was exclusive to Twitch for a really, really long time. Yeah. I had like an exclusivity contract and that ended. So now I'm like, I'm free as a bird. Okay.

Okay, so you can kind of just go anywhere and everything. Were you on the billboards for it or anything like that? Like, you know, Twitch used to make like billboards in Times Square when Aphrodite was on it. I think, yes, yes. They did like this animation. Yeah. And they put that billboard up. But I'm pretty sure you were never like the face because you like, to me, you are the face of gaming. Like, I don't even know. Actually, I was on the, like when you would download the Twitch app on the App Store.

Oh, you were like the head. Okay. Because I was like, you're definitely like spokesperson. And I know nothing about Twitch at all. And I was just like, all I know is that you Twitch on there. You stream on there. I do be.

Wow. It is just crazy to look back on, you know, everything. Honestly, all my 20s were like so devoted to this platform and this community. Are you strictly gaming? So in high school, are you strictly gaming on Twitch? So when do you, because what I love, and I love ASMR, you also did ASMR. So when do you like make that? I wanted to talk to you about that. When I found out that's how you started, I was like, well, I guess you didn't. I guess you technically started on gaming, but I thought ASMR was your first thing. No, I just like,

I'm just a little bit like you. I've just done so many random things online. Like I'm just here for fun. And you're still doing it. You're like, I'm doing a podcast. I'm going to do this. I'll do some TikToks. I'm just having a good time. Are you? I hope you are. But yeah, it was way into my career. Actually, when streaming started popping off a lot more, I've always been a huge fan of ASMR. Like, especially when I'm really anxious, it's like the only way that I can fall asleep.

And, you know, when my community like started really, really taking off, I was like, I kind of just want to like try ASMR for fun. And funnily enough, people just like when anyone does ASMR. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I started toying around with it and then I made a channel and it garnered like a lot

fair bit of attention, which I was really surprised. But it also got to a point where I felt like I couldn't consistently upload there with everything else that I was trying to do. And I have so much respect for ASM artists. Like people don't know the amount of effort it takes to make like a really good video. And for me, I kind of have that personality where if there's a lack of progression, I get bored. And I'm like, I can't keep

upping the production value because it would just take up so much of my time so I was like you know it was a good time while it was let's move on to something new how long were you doing that for I would say a year or two oh so pretty short live because a lot of your like re-uploads are on there and stuff like that I've never really said this explicitly but um I deleted like or I hid

privated every video on that page. Yeah. Even though it had like so many views and I was surprised how many people were interested. And why did you private them? I mean, maybe you'll have a good perspective on this, but frankly, I kind of went through a phase where I was so tired of the fact that I'm in such a male dominated industry that

It, to some people, gives them enough reason to sexualize me in ways that I just really despise. And I was also really concerned that, unfortunately, ASMR is another thing that people sexualize a lot. So I'm like, I don't want to, like, double give people reasons to. And I... Yeah, I think I just...

feeling not so great about it and worrying that people were viewing the content negatively, even though that's never my intention and I never did anything inappropriate with that content. Yours was so clean. You're very much just like tapping. I love it.

And so we're like, it's so... It's not even like spit painting or anything. You're like tapping, you know, like what? That's so weird. But at the end of the day, I'm sure if you've spoken to any ASMRtists, like that's a huge issue within that community. And I feel for them so much. And I'm like, girl, I don't know if I can fight two battles at once, you know? I feel like you're constantly battling that though, right? People just like sexualizing. You could just exist and it's like people are sexualizing you. Yeah, I love them. Which is... Why...

that's it's just so weird to me like i don't think anyone deserves to be sexualized but you're also just like the way you present is just like innocent and so it's not like you're trying it freaks me out sometimes i'm like is that why people want to do it more it's like even more perverted i don't frankly i don't know and i don't care i'm just like i do everything i can legally or otherwise to stop that do you do you now yeah and it's like with every year i learn new ways to protect myself thankfully

And I always hope to kind of pass on that information and knowledge to others who deal with similar issues because it just sucks. Yeah. I just think it's like so hard. I saw you have people that moderate your comments. You don't even see half of the comments you were saying. Right. So you don't have to deal with that stuff. But I know I saw a stream where people were asking you about doing OF and stuff and you were just like. Oh, so often. And you're like, stop asking me that. That's like asking me to take off my clothes. I think sometimes people don't think through those.

the things that they're asking and I'm like you might think it's an innocent question but realistically in a way you're just saying hey can you please get naked and let me pay you that's you had such a good response to it because everyone's like you're gonna make millions you're like um I already do

Like, that is such a good response. Thank you. I didn't know you saw that. Of course. Frankly, my whole career, I've always tried to kind of, like, make a joke to make a point. Yeah. Make a joik. Make a joke to make a point. Because, again, like, I never want to offend people and I don't want to, like, be so defensive. But I want to be like, can you please?

Can you please not? I know you did OF and I so wanted to ask you about that. And it's another thing where it's like, don't you think if someone like really wanted to, they just would. They would just do it. And the pressuring of someone to do it is like crazy. Especially because that's never been your brand. Like I feel like me, I've always done like sex work and stuff. So it's like,

kind of made sense but like for someone that's never done it to like pressure them it's like such a weird thing to me yeah and I also I didn't want to be so like know about it in the sense of like implying that it's anything bad because it's not like that at all like I very much support yeah sex workers I think it's like I think true freedom for women is being able to and to not whatever you want regarding anything really and so I really wanted to ask you like what took

took part in your decision to do it and to stop? You know, it just always felt like something I wanted to do, right? Like I just always was like that person. I used to watch like films when I was younger. You know, I was like a stripper and I just seemed like a natural progression when like OF took off. I was like, yeah, I want to do this. And I did it for like four months and it was fun and it was great and then I was kind of like, okay, I'm kind of over it. But I feel like, that's what I'm saying, I feel like I'm over it now. Like it was fun.

ASMR too. I think I did ASMR for like a year and a half and I loved it, but it is so much work. It is. But people are re-uploading your ASMR. Like that's how I saw it yesterday. And I'm like, they're getting millions of views. No way. Yeah. That's what I was like, you should put your channel back up. And you know, the people who are being weird and perverted, I mean, that's like on them. Cause it's like really so odd. Have you been getting that from like day one? Just for less of a better word, like creeps? Kind of.

To be honest, like I've been online since I was like 11. I love the internet. Like I know everything. That's crazy. Yeah, I've been just like such an avid viewer and consumer of internet content way before it ever became my job. So I always knew like, yeah, there's weirdos out there. And frankly, I think I had an easier time ignoring a lot of it for a very long time. It's just

as things progressed it got to a point that it was like just really overwhelming and detrimental to my mental health so just about like kind of picking and choosing your fights figuring out what you're okay with and what you're not and sometimes that changes with time like when you're young and just kind of going through it you probably don't think about those things as much but as I've grown older I'm like oh I I want to be a bit more selective with what I choose to do and

It's like you, after you stop being naive, like you can't go back to being naive. Right. Yeah. Then you like, but you are still so young. So it's like just learning it and like, but to be on at 11 is like actually so wild to me. So what were you watching at 11 years old? At 11, I was gaming a ton. Like I was playing MMORPGs. If you don't know what that is, it's like the kind of games where you make a character online.

Oh, okay. I don't know. Okay. You like talk to people and maybe you fight things and you have cute outfits and all this stuff. Is it like Sims or is it like, I don't know. The thing of the difference with Sims is that Sims, you can't talk to other players.

Oh, okay. In MMOs, you literally make a little character and you walk around a village or something and you talk to other people who are doing the same thing. So fun. Oh my God. And then after school, you meet up and hang out with them. Dude, in high school, I swear, I was living Hannah Montana life. Oh my God. Do people know? The people you went to school with?

Most of them know because my content only took off afterwards. But it was like, you know, in school, I'm like student council, bubbly, you know, live in my life, dance team, whatever. And then I would come home and I would meet up with just online friends online every day. Shout out to the sponsor of today's episode.

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What were your parents, were they like so supportive or are they like, what are you doing talking to people online? Especially back then at like, what is this, like 2007 or something, right? Yeah, so my parents, I think for them,

anyone who might also have immigrant parents might be able to relate. They were a bit stricter. And so for them, it's like, we're just happy as long as you're indoors. Like you're not out partying with boys or whatever. You could do whatever you want on your little PC thing. You're getting straight A's anyways. Like they'll just, they didn't care that much. As long as you're here before sunset, all good. And you're like, I'm here all day. I'm definitely going to be here. And now what do they think? Tell me. Yeah.

One time, I don't know what your high school dances were like, but mine were raunchy. Wait, really? The raunchiest. We grew up in a little bit of a different time. Ours was very just dancing like this. People were like giving BJs in the dance floor. What? Actually, our specific high school year got dances banned from our school for like a year because they were just too bad. And a lot of kids were getting like alcohol poisoning. Right.

anyways and this is in canada yeah shout out canada oh my gosh i swear i have this theory that like the more boring this the town is the crazier that people get because there's nothing else they're like we're gonna do what oh my gosh anyways our dances were so crazy that because i was on student council i'd help run them so i could go technically yeah but i knew my dad like really didn't want me to go

So at one point, I started saying stuff like, okay, if you give me like a $50 gift card to this online video game, I won't go to the school dance. Oh, wow. And he would pay up straight. That's nothing. For $50, I would do this for my daughter too. I'm like, okay, stay home. Yeah, exactly. Now, I was happy. You were a business person back then. You're like, here's how we're going to do this. Always, yeah.

That's amazing. Because you're playing this game where you're paying to be the clothes and stuff like that. You're like, that's what's so smart about these games, like Fortnite, like buying all these emojis and stuff like that. Oh, yeah, the aesthetics. Ooh, that's what gets you. Oh, I'm learning now. I just started playing Fortnite like a month ago. Really? And I'm just like, ooh, it's fun. Like when the weekend was on there, I was like, let me buy it. And then it was like so expensive. And I was just like, oh, my God, you're buying all these skins and all this stuff like that. What are you playing on? Like computer or console. Yeah. I'm on a computer because we do it for like gaming purposes, like video purposes. Oh, so that makes you sound like a computer.

I'm horrible. I literally just learned to pick up a weapon the other day. Don't say that. Don't say that. There is no bad at games. There's just new or not new. That's it. We're definitely bad. We played Five Nights at Freddy's on Fortnite and we didn't even know how to get out of the room.

It's okay. One step at a time. Like everybody starts there. Legit. Like everybody starts bad. Oh, I'm still bad. We've done it like four or five times on Fortnite. I'll coach you anytime I got you. Oh, you were in the thumbnail for one of our Patreon videos. People thought you were in the gaming. I wish I could be. We were talking about it. We're like, I wish Poki was here. No, Trisha, like I would die for you. That would...

In general and on Fortnite. But like I've been following just like all of your eras and it makes me so happy. That's crazy. I feel like you're really being given your flowers now as you deserve. Thank you. And I feel like this podcast is like the perfect thing you can do because you're so easy to talk to. You're just so bubbly and welcoming and...

I love it. Thank you. That's so nice. I felt that way with you. Like I had seen just like a lot of podcasts you've been on and stuff like that. And you've like mentioned my name. And I always get so excited because you are like this it girl. And I always think, again, we're like on opposite sides of the internet. I'm like, oh, she'll never want to talk to me. So when we first DM'd, I was like so excited. I'm trying to speak your way. I know. Your way of the internet. I love this.

the kind of content that I consume the most. Like, I don't really watch gaming videos as much now. Really? Yeah, which is why I'm, like, streaming a bit less, dabbling in other things because, I mean, like, gaming isn't the only facet of my personality, you know? To me, I don't even... I know you as a gamer because that's what everyone knows you as, but then when I was looking at all the stuff...

other stuff you do. I was like, oh, she does so much more. I love to do everything. That's like the joy of life. Yeah. That's just variety. And you're doing a podcast now. And I feel like it's been the same with you. Oh, yeah. With all the things you've dabbled in. But I'm like, that's what makes you you. Just trying stuff out. It's also just fun. Like you don't want to get bored. Exactly. And it's just like fun to do that kind of stuff. And I think you really came across my radar. I've always obviously known who you are. But and you pronounce it Mina? Yes, Mina. What is Mina? So cute. So cute that you bought it.

you bought those like i would have brought them if you wanted oh my god we bought them the first time when they came out when all the controversy was happening and then we just bought them again because we genuinely like them and we said that on the podcast too we're actually like these are like good cookies you know and i'm not just saying that we said it before we even knew you were coming so you came across the you were like popping with these cookies everybody was talking about them and i'm like what is what's happening with these cookies honestly like last thing i expected

The blow up of it all? Everything that happened. The last thing I expected. But I am open and ready to answer whatever question you have. This is actually like the first time I'm talking about it post everything. Because like people had asked me to do interviews and all this stuff and I'm like...

It's just not the vibe. But your podcast is the vibe. It's the vibe, yeah. And we wanted to be fun and cute. It's a safe space. It's a safe space for sure. I'm ready to chat here. Because I was so shocked at how many people came for you. Just even mainstream guys and stuff like that. And I was just like, because why? Were they coming for you originally because of the pricing? Is that what it was? Yeah, so it's a couple things. The pricing was one of them. And I want to be very clear. So we sold them at $28 for four bags.

um and the reason we did that is because like we're a startup even at that price point i want to be very clear like we were not making money yeah the margin as a startup like you don't expect to make money for years you're just hoping that you're building something cool enough that maybe it'll pay off in like 10 years and so when people were coming at me for that i'm not gonna lie i think like it hurts so much because i'm like

I've built such a reputation. Like I've been in this career in industry for so long. I had so many opportunities to do cash grabs.

And I never, ever did. Like that's a really, that's something that I hold very close to my heart. Like I try to be very considerate of my audience, never promote things that I'm like unsure of or don't know where the money's coming from or if it's good. And so to have people try to kind of like assassinate my character in that way, I do think it hurt quite a bit. But yeah, the price point was one of them. And that was just because we were starting. If we sold them at any other price point, like the shipping would have just not made it.

made sense. It would have been so bad. But now that, you know, we're a little bit further along, we can sell them like per bag through Amazon, through other retailers. And obviously it's like much cheaper that way. It's like $7 or something. But that's so complicated to be a seller on Amazon. Like it's actually the whole process. It takes a lot of work and you can't just like do that right off the bat. Wow. Okay. So-

like thinking and I remember that and I remember when you did the math you're like you said you're selling it for what $28? $28 but there's four bags so it's like $7 per bag. And like for those of you who don't know math and I was like literally me because I thought it was like $27 for one bag. I was being a little too sassy but also when I'm streaming like it's just me and my audience. Yeah. Like I forget that other people can see. Yeah. I just like me and my friends

was such a serve and also but also like real because I did not know like I'm like not a math person at all so I was just like oh well when you break it down like it actually whatever whatever yeah I think it also cookies or any snacks the price point depends a lot on like the quality of the ingredients and so for me it was so important that they be kind of like better for you and have healthier ingredients and we can talk a little bit about why

But yeah, that was one of the reasons why. So I understand people are maybe comparing them to other things, but I'm like, the reason why it's more expensive is because we really wanted like gluten-free, organic, like really, really healthy ingredients. Which I didn't know about all of this either. So you made these. It says like GMO-free, gluten-free, good source of vitamin D. Okay. Like a lot of organic ingredients. Oh,

All this stuff. Yeah. All this stuff I don't know. I just know it sounds healthy. So, okay. But that's what was also so interesting to me because when we were talking in the DMs, we were talking about this, that you did have a PCOS diagnosis. Oh, yes. And that no one knows about. And so that, and you had to start this health journey, which has led you to making healthy cookies. So when you got the diagnosis, were they like, okay, cut out everything in your diet basically? Yeah. So I've never spoken about it publicly because I was diagnosed like a year or two ago, but I've had irregular periods my whole life.

And I've been talking to doctors about it my whole life. And it's crazy to me that it was only until I was like literally in my mid-20s that a doctor could say, oh, actually, it's because you have PCOS. Wow. Also, side note, I have the same gynecologist as Rihanna. Oh, that's a slay. That is such a flake.

How did you know? Because I heard her mention how much she loves her gynecologist in an interview recently. And I was like, who's a good gynecologist? So I went to look him up and it was the same name as mine. No way. Oh my gosh. Wait, so you already were going to this person before? Is it a boy or him or her? It's a lady.

Okay, I love that. For some reason, I'm meeting a lot of boy gynecologists. They're just good, but I don't know. Girls might be better. She's great. Oh my gosh, okay. Yeah, and she diagnosed me with PCOS. I mean, I'm not sure how much people exactly know what that is. There's like a range of symptoms that it can or can't be. I think we should talk about it because so many people-

A lot more people are talking about having it and a lot of people don't know what it is, including me. I didn't know. The first person I heard influencer was Mr. Me Ashton was talking about having PCOS. She was one of the first influencers I also heard talk about it. Yeah. And I was like, wait, what is that? So I looked it up for people to know it's polycystic ovary syndrome. So it's your ovaries. Okay. So what, and what else does it entail? How did you know? How did they know? How do you diagnose that? So in the past, people would only diagnose it if you were, if you struggled with like

really severe symptoms that can occur. Like if you're overweight, if you have acne, hair loss, or too much hair gain, like things that happen when you have a hormonal imbalance. But the truth of it is, yes, those are symptoms that you can have, but you can have like a wide range of symptoms. You can have none of those symptoms and just have like irregular periods.

The way that I like to describe it is like, essentially, I am hormonally sensitive. Like if I'm not taking really, really super specific good care of my body, I'm just not going to get my period. My first year of engineering, like my first entire year...

When I was like 18, 19, I didn't get my period once. Just a hormonal imbalance. There's no, I'm just very hormonally sensitive. If I stress too much, if I don't eat very clean, like if any of these things, I lose my period entirely. It's just gone by. Crazy. Cause you weren't overweight. You didn't have acne. You weren't losing your hair. So you didn't have. And so doctors didn't want to like further look into my case at all. I did ultrasounds. I did blood tests. I did everything. They just kept telling me like, go on the pill.

Go on the pill. And the pill can help people, but it doesn't like, it doesn't help you better understand your body and it doesn't actually like fix your problem. It's almost like a band-aid fix at times, though it can be really helpful. For me, it was just like, I wanted to be able to regulate my period naturally or understand what was going on with my body. And I didn't want to talk about

my diagnosis for a little while because I think anytime you're diagnosed with something, there's like a bit of shame or feeling like, oh, is something wrong with me? Are people going to judge me? But at this point, I'm like,

People need to know because not like so many more people have PCOS than they even know. Because people aren't checking it. It sounds like the doctors aren't checking it. Not at all. So maybe like you should ask if you don't have a regular period. If you have irregular periods at all, please, please get checked because it's really important to know whether or not you're diagnosed because it helps you make better choices in your life, especially in regards to conceiving. I recall you did a video about having, is it P-E-I or P-E-I?

I had – Pelvic inflammatory. Oh, yeah. PID. Yes. Pelvic inflammatory disease. Yes. I did have that. I also had – I had a lot of things happen during my whole fertility journey. I had like – I had chlamydia, which gave me like scarring of the tubes. And then I had pelvic inflammatory disease. So it was just a lot of different things that like doctors were telling me like, you know, what's wrong. And it just –

having trouble conceiving and a lot of people just didn't know what to do either. You know what I mean? They're like, oh, just do IVF and then how we did, we did the HSG test which a lot of people didn't tell you. It kind of like clears out your tubes and stuff but yeah, all that stuff I was like so unfamiliar with and PCOS, I don't even think, I don't even think I've ever been tested for it. Like to be honest, maybe, maybe I've had it because I've always had trouble like losing weight. I used to have horrible acne and literally just being pregnant I had because I don't know. That's what, I just all thought about this recently and when you told me about it, I was like looking it up and I was like, oh, this is like

This might be something. How do they test for it? So there are hormonal tests you take and typically also an ultrasound. So they see like basically like if you have cysts or fibroids. I've actually never, like cysts can get really bad. Sometimes you have to get them surgically removed. I've never had a huge issue like that, luckily, but I might in the future. Ultimately, it's just about understanding whether or not that's possible for you. But yeah, typically like hormonal tests and ultrasounds.

but also the doctor has to kind of be looking for it. If they, a lot of doctors will just look at you and be like, oh, you don't have acne, so you can't have PCOS, but that's not the case at all. Right, or you're like not overweight and they're like, oh, you're fine. Yeah. Yeah, that's not the case at all. And yeah, it's just really important information for people to know if they want to have kids someday or, you know, conceive or honestly just any health

kind of regulation so i really i want i i finally got comfortable enough with the diagnosis to be able to tell other people like hey get checked out if you struggle with this please yeah were you like scared when they told you were you like scared because because of all that stuff like it happened like oh you won't have because they when i had mine the pid they're like oh you won't be able to have babies it's basically what they told me right away and i was like that's why i said early on like i can't have babies and i like thought that for so long well beforehand even like in high school i'd be like

my period is irregular. Like, is this a big problem? Will I someday not be able to carry a child? Like that was always a concern of mine. And I never really had an answer for why my body was acting this way. And then when I did find out, they did tell me like, if you have PCOS, you have to be a bit more careful because like,

You know how as you get older, it can be harder to conceive? The reason why is not necessarily because we're lacking eggs. It's actually because the quality of our eggs decreases as we get older. And when you have PCOS, it can decrease even quicker. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so people, like it's really important for them to be diagnosed so that they can make that choice for themselves. Like, do I want to freeze my eggs? Do I want to conceive earlier to have better chances to? It's just, yeah, it's really important to know.

Yeah. Oh, I didn't even think about it. So like it really just weakens your eggs in some way. Yeah. It's just really – because it's such an umbrella term and like –

People can have different severities of PCOS and it can look so different in one person than another. So it's hard for me to be like, it's just this. So the best way I can say is like really hormonally sensitive. Yeah. So if you have irregular periods or lose your period quickly or maybe get it too frequently, it might be something that... And I feel like that could mess with your mental health, right? Because it's over your hormones. Oh yeah, girl. Bro, your period in general. My luteal phase. My whole...

I switch personalities every other week. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry I'm being down bad on my main. It's just because, you know, I'm ovulating. I'm being pissy. I'm in my luteal phase. That's what you just said during the cookies. You're like, you guys.

My luneal phase? What's a luneal phase? What is that? Oh my god. I don't know what that is. I didn't give you a science lesson. I know. Is it a science? I know nothing about science. Really? Oh yeah. We were just talking about this the other day. I was like, what is the solar eclipse? I have no idea. I actually don't know much about the solar eclipse. Okay. But periods, I have learned everything. That's another reason why I was like,

I'm going to keep this diagnosis to myself. Like I feel really confident talking about it, but yeah, women's menstrual cycle, it's basically like four phases. So let's say you get your period for like one week, that would be the first phase. And then you have another week and another week and another week. The week right before your period, that's your luteal phase, the PMS phase. Luteal. What's it, what's it come from the word luteal? I've never heard it. I feel like it's like something to do with the moon or something.

Is it lunial or luteal? Luteal. L-U-T-E-A-L. No, you don't have to know it. I just was like, I've never heard that word before. Yeah. There's this new or kind of newer like trend of cycle syncing, which basically, yeah. No, wait, what? Why would you want to do that? So we can sync together? No, no.

Not like that. Like apps where it'll show you like what phase you're in. They'll tell you like, oh, usually during this phase, it's maybe easier for you to strength train versus your luteal phase. You know, take it easy at the gym. Maybe do some Pilates or yoga instead. Because like our hormones change over the course of a month. But a guy's hormones change over the course of a day. Like they just reset every day. Oh, interesting. Yeah, we are different like every week of the month. This might be different for people on birth control because your hormones are regulated differently.

But when you menstruate, that's very much the case. And I've never done birth control either. So like that, when you say that's different, it like helps you regulate your hormones. So birth control, I don't know if you know this, but birth control almost like tricks your body into thinking it's pregnant. Oh, I didn't know. I knew. I know I feel awful on it. Like that's why I couldn't be on it because I feel terrible. I know. It's awful. And people also don't know that.

Like if your birth control is making you... Or honestly, if you feel terrible and you're on birth control, that might be the reason why. Yeah, that's how mine was. A lot of people start attributing certain characteristics to themselves, but they don't realize like it's just their hormones. Like you might think that you're just like a really sad or pissy person, but it might just be like a hormonal imbalance or the wrong birth control. And there's hundreds of different types. So if the one you're on right now is not good for you, like just know like there are options. Try something else. Like women's health is so...

outdated. Yeah. Like it's just not researched enough at all. People don't talk about it enough. At all. To like know that the mental health is also like attributed to something physically going on in your body. Because out there you always just think I'm just crazy. I'm just born like this. I'm traumatized. Whatever. You're not crazy. You're

It's just your period. And it's so real. It's so real. Because it's always a joke. Like guys or girls or whatever will say like, oh, she's on her period. You know, like if she's angry or something like that. But it's like such a real thing. It's like hormones are very, very important to understand. Yeah. And I actually don't know any of it. But the PCOS now, how does it affect you in your day-to-day life? I would say so. Like I feel like every couple months I'm like learning more how to better take care of myself and manage things. I think it makes me way more aware of –

Anything that I do or eat or, yeah, it's made me a bit of a health nut. Like, I'm a supplement freak now. Oh, really? Yeah. And very much, like, I just love yapping about hormones to anyone that'll listen. I love this for you. Like, I didn't know. No, when you were telling me about this, I was like, wait, this is so tea, because I watch so much stuff of you. I've influenced so many of my friends to go off their birth control. Okay.

Or to like find a better alternative. Yeah. And then they're off of it and they're like, why do I feel so much better? And it's so real. And I know it's like controversial because people like need the birth control. But if you are like struggling. Yes. It's just like if it's impacting you badly. Mine was. Then just know like there are options. Yeah. And like it was, I was always looked down upon for it because I was like, I just can't do birth control. And it's like, and obviously there's so many other options. Like, like you said, like to prevent it. But it is like so scary. And I was like depressed on it. I was like the low, it was like crazy.

crazy. And it was the birth control, which I think is so normal because everyone's on it. Exactly. I guess the main issue is sometimes people like they're not being told enough information to know that certain symptoms can come from their birth control because everyone's on it and it's so normalized. People just think,

oh, like it can't be that. I'm the problem. But a lot of the time, it's just like really just like a chemical or hormonal imbalance within you. Like not going. Yeah. What works for someone's body does not work for your body necessarily. So you're doing clean eating, which kind of led to your cookies. So that's right. That's how it came about. I went on this huge health trip and especially post COVID, I gained so much weight during COVID. Did you really? Oh yeah, girl. Like 15, 20 pounds or something. I think we all did for sure. It was a good time. You're just inside.

inside, eaten. So I went on a health journey, just started working out more. And like my mind was blown when I found snacks that had healthy ingredients, but tasted really good. I was like, this is what I want to make, honestly. And I've had

a lot of opportunities to sell things in the past, but if I'm not excited about it, like I'm not going to do it. But this is something that obviously I love. And I do kind of regret maybe not filling people in on that journey as much because it led to them maybe assuming the worst when I came out with something that not everybody understood. And I frankly, I often forget that it's not just me and my community online. Like there's a whole audience of people who

know me but aren't in my community, you know? So sometimes the wrong narrative can just like be spun out of something because they don't have as much context. Like the cash grab was the big thing with this. Like, oh, it's a cash grab. But it's like, like you said, I haven't made a dollar. And you've been doing it for so long. Like you said, you never put out a product before. And not only that. I haven't sold an NFT. I haven't done any of this. Really? No. Oh, I feel like that was such a thing all the gamers were doing, right? Oh, wow. That was like six, seven figures. Wow.

That is, those are actually crazy. That's crazy. That is actually wild. So you never ever did anything for like based solely on money and then this comes out and they're like, oh my God, it's a money grab. But you're actually like. Yeah, like I cap my donos. I don't know if you know that. What is that? But you know how people can donate to streamers? Cap to donos. Oh no, I actually don't know this world. Is that how you make money streaming? I want to answer

- I'm gonna answer all your questions. - I do wanna know, I feel like literally a dumb dumb because I don't know any of this. - You're not a dumb dumb. - I was like, how are people making so much money? - I will explain everything to you. - Okay, so they donate. - So when you stream, you know how on YouTube a subscription, it's almost like a follower. They just click and they watch your stuff.

On Twitch or in streaming, a subscription is actually someone who pays you $5 a month. Oh, okay. And in the chat, they have like a little icon beside their name so you see who subscribed. And they get special emotes and maybe privileges, things like that. Okay. So you have subscriptions, which are a part of like your monthly income. And there are donations. Like people can send $1, $2, $5. Sometimes people send a lot more. And they can attach a message and it shows up on the screen so you can respond. Oh, that's fun. Oh, my God. I would live for that.

It's like a virtual strip club kind of. It's like, woo, $5. Thank you. You pay more attention to the $5.

dollar than the dollar. Well said. Well, it's like a virtual strip club. But mine is not the sexualization part of it. But I love that aspect. But in a fun way. It's a fun way. It really is. Like, I love the engagement part of donations. Like, people can say the funniest, craziest things through donations. Aw. And they just love it because it's like you said, it's like a community. So they're like, we're all here. Yeah. That's cute. I also like drag queens too. Like at brunches, they give them like tips. That's cute. Okay. I like it. Yeah. There's that and there's sponsors. So you can take like

a sponsorship every month and you put like their little banner under your stream or maybe post about them or whatever it is. Like a company sponsors you. Okay. And they pay you a certain amount every month. Yeah. So this is on top of like Twitch giving you exclusivity money. So that's the big one. In the past, streaming platforms used to do exclusivity contracts and that was where like the big money was. Yeah.

Oh, okay. Because I know you were talking about platforms on your podcast, the Don't Tell Anyone podcast, where you're like, what makes the most, what makes the least? And you're like, TikTok, absolutely nothing, trash. But then you were saying YouTube. Yeah. I think Twitch was number two and you put YouTube above Twitch, which is wild. So is it streaming on Twitch that you're making more or the videos? The videos. I think I put YouTube above Twitch because it's more stable, more consistent, and it

like every piece of content you come out with is almost like an investment. Twitch, it's like you just need to stream all of the time. To me, like a mid-sized Twitch streamer

would probably make less than a mid-sized YouTuber. And the huge extremes of Twitch, like when you hear these like crazy numbers that people are making, that's because they're in like the 0.1%. I was trying to go off of like, if someone was just starting content creation, what platform I think could essentially like create a substantial business for them. And I think YouTube is better for that. But Twitch, there are a

lot of streams of revenue so i put you always hear like a few hundred thousand dollars a month like people make off twitch some people can't but that's like literally the top 20 streamers but there's so many more and they're just sitting there for like eight like the only one we know we ask her brings us hassan like sitting there for like nine hours a day and those people are just like tipping him and oh my god okay so you capped your donation yeah so i capped my donations at five dollars like

five years ago or something. Can they give more than that? No, that's what I meant by cap. Like, I don't even let people donate more to me than $5. Oh, I see. But they could like, let's say to another streamer. I don't even know any of this. I literally only know like three streamers. Like no one does that. Wow. So they can donate $100 and you're like, no, I'm not going to like allow that. Oh, just because why you feel... Because...

For me, what I enjoy about donations is that there's like an interaction. They can send a message. They can say something funny. You don't need to give me $100 to say something funny. You can just send five and that's enough. That's not very Taurus of you. I would be like, give me that $100. That'd be exciting. I'm like, yes, $100. You know, I get it. Wait, are you a Taurus too? Yes. May 8th. You're May 16th? May 14th. May 14th. Oh.

Your birthday this year. Our birthdays are so close. Yeah. I was actually born on Mother's Day, but this year it's May 14th, so it changes. Last year. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's so funny. My birthday's always on Mother's Day, bro. I know. Mine too. And I think my baby's going to be on Mother's Day too, which is the best.

It's the 14th this year. So that's why I'm like, oh, that's so crazy. But Tauruses are so much about money. I get so excited about money. Like if someone tips me like $20, I'll be like, yes. Like I get so excited. For me, I get excited about money in like a business sense. Yeah. But when I think about like my audience, like

When I got to the point where I was making more than the people that are watching me, I'm like, why would I take money from you? Like, keep it. Like, spend however extra much you were going to give me. Like, go buy food. Go buy something for yourself. Go enjoy your life. Like,

That was more so the perspective. You're very nice. For me, I'm like, I'll take money from a company. Like, not you. Yeah, that is like the better way to look at it for sure. I feel you for sure. But I feel like, yeah, they're wanting to be a part of it. But yeah, you've never been on like TikTok Live, like an NPC girl where you're like, hot dog, hot dog. Because I feel like that would be you. That was so yummy. Yeah. Have you ever tried it? It's so funny. A little bit. I'm like, there's got to be some kind of fetish in here, no?

That was so funny. I did it like three times. Really? Was it fun? This is so fun. Have you ever tried it just for fun? I did it kind of like as a joke for like 10 seconds. Oh, did you get a lot of tips? They're probably like, yes, we love this. I would just like get like a cowboy hat or something. I would just say some random thing. On TikTok Live, you were doing it. Oh, I love that you did that. That's so funny. Like I kind of as a joke, but it is really funny. And the people who do that, I'm like, you're...

Like on your, you're standing on business right now. Like the, what is it? Pinky doll would be on there for like 10 hours a day. That's what I don't understand about live streamers. Like it's so much time. How long, what's the longest you've been on a stream for? Probably like 14. But a lot of people do like 24 hours. I've never done that because I'm like, I can't sleep on the stream. Oh, they sleep on it? Yes. And they make money while they're sleeping? Yes. Oh, that's kind of genius actually. It is. You know what's funny? There's even, there's a system where people can send videos to,

So you can be asleep, but if they send a really loud video, it'll like wake you up. Everything. They're like, wake up. Streaming is all about interaction with that, which I think is why I streamed for so long. I love interacting with people. Yeah. Oh, that's like my worst nightmare. I'm just like, oh, I don't want to interact. Yeah. I love yap and I'm not.

So you game, but is it just ever where you just talk? Sometimes I just see people talking just to the chat. Yeah. Do you ever do that? You just like sit there and talk? Oh, yeah. Just chatting. You don't necessarily have to play a game to do it. Not anymore. But you know, not a lot of people know this, but like years ago, Twitch didn't allow that.

They were like, you can only talk for 45 minutes to an hour max and then you have to play a game. And now they're like, just give us the money. It doesn't matter. Yes. No, actually. Wow. They used to monitor that stuff actually. Really? I wonder why they cared. I guess they thought they just wanted it to be a gaming... Like, we're a gaming platform. Yeah. Now we're like...

We're whatever you want us to be. You remember the era of like hot tub girls too. That's when I heard of Twitch and I remember like, oh, girls in the hot tub. We tried it. We tried it for like a couple of days. I'm like, I don't understand it. I don't know how you make money. Like I was over it because I couldn't figure it out. But it sounds exciting. You should have called me. I would have helped you figure it out. Had I known back then that you were so cool, I would have been like, girl, how

do I do this because any platform I've joined including OF I always find like the most popular girl and be like how do I make this work you know yeah I love that and they're helpful too like every girl has been so helpful but yeah I don't know gaming might not be my thing streaming too in general again I back to like just creepos you know like not in the best way possible I guess but like you know the ones that might get a little too attached to you like fans do you ever like any crazy ones that's a wrong word to use like any extreme ones come to your house

I love when you're like on your little PR arc, you know? I know. That's not the word. I use crazy so loosely, but you know. Extremists. I get what you mean. A little extreme. Extreme. I've had a couple extreme things happen. But luckily not for a while. I really think it is completely correlated to like how much you stream. Ever since I started streaming like a bit less, even like two, three times a week instead of like five or six, it's almost like harder for people to be like that attached to you to the point that it gets a little extreme. But-

I used to live in a content creator house, like a streamer house. I just found this out. That's when we had issues swatting. The police showed up once with like AKs. I was like, wait, what do you do in that situation? I was thinking the same thing because like basically what happened was I was actually filming a Fortnite video. I'm in my room filming a little intro and you hear police open up.

Oh my gosh. And I went outside my room and there was like this big window that shows me like outside of the front door. And I see a guy like a cop there with like a massive gun. I think an AK. I feel like I should know my guns, but I know I play enough shooters. Yeah. Just like a massive gun. And

I kind of hesitated for a second because I'm like, what if they assume the wrong thing? What if this goes terribly wrong? Like, I really did not know what to do. I was like frozen in fear for a moment. And I kind of like, I went down and I spoke to them through the door. Like, we need to do like a wellness check. We got a call about someone being in here with a hostage, all this stuff. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I think now cops know a bit better that sometimes these are just like prank calls.

that audience or people do. Oh my God. And do they catch the person that did the call? Sometimes, yes. Yeah. One of them was and he was sent to jail. Actually, this is so sad to say, but one time someone got swatted, which is when like they fake call the cops on you and the police just like slam through your door. They assume the worst because they've been told the worst. Oh my gosh. And once someone was swatted and the cops actually

Oh my gosh. Yeah. The person died. Yes. Oh my God. Yeah. And the one who called in in that instance was sent to jail. For life? Because it was like murder? I actually don't recall how long, but. Oh my God. That is so scary. It is. I just hear those stories and it always seems to be like people streaming. So that's why I was always just like, now you're in like a safe like building with like a doorman and stuff like that. But just for the people who aren't like the house situation. So how did you get into, oh my God, wait, there's so many because then I want to still

I want to still talk about the health of the cookies, you know. Do you cap the dough right now? Any spicy questions you have, like, that's what I'm here for. I want to answer everything you guys, especially, like, anything you think your audience is curious about. I'm like, I'm an open book now. What's up? I feel like everything, because I'm just, like, so fascinated by all this stuff, because, like, that extremity. It is such a bubble. Like, people know about streaming and Twitch.

But you don't really know what's going on unless you're in it. And when you're in it, you're so in it. And you're in it. Would you say now you're – because you are kind of like the – you are in it and you're friends with all these gamers. Did you befriend them because you're like all peers and you thought like that's like the way to go or did it naturally happen? So you're like in this content house. Is it all girls? No. I was in one house with all girls before like –

three four years I was in a content house um and we were called offline tv and we had a youtube channel oh yeah and we called it that because I'm like let's show people what we do when we're offline oh my god then you're still online yeah in a way so we would film like youtube videos and things like that so technically I helped co-found that company because like there's still a channel they brought in new members all this stuff but I was there like at the beginning um and that was a really fun to me it was like a business venture like my very first one when I was much younger and

But yeah, back then, it was like seven, eight people in a house. And to me, I didn't even...

like I didn't think about it I was just like I want roommates and people who do the same thing it was just like a fun thing almost like a no-brainer like why wouldn't I live with people who do the same stuff and understand me is this before like Hype House and stuff like it was maybe a bit before right around the time we weren't like the first content creator house but we were the first in like our industry to do it before it had been like you maybe like Logan Paul or someone did a right

And I was like, girl, we should do the same thing. Oh, that's so interesting. And so then you guys would all make content together. Are you – but you're not like managing them. You're not like taking like a percentage or anything. Because you have – the company that you have now, the RTS, that is management. You're like managing people. Yeah. I co-founded an actual like management and consultancy firm. So we manage –

some like pretty big streamers, some of my friends as well. And the reason I wanted to launch that is because I felt like throughout my career, there were so many things I learned, so much trial and error that I did, so many things that I wish I could have gone to someone and be like, what the heck do I do? How do I pick the right person for my team? Do I need an editor? Do I need a manager? Do I need an agent? All of these things. And I'm like, I want to replicate the system and team that I have for other people who need it.

So that was a big reason why I launched it. And we also do consultancy, like if any companies want to come into the gaming space, but they're like, we don't understand this world at all. And the audience on Twitch is so picky. Like everything is cringe to them. So I'm like, let us help you. Yeah. We'll navigate it. That's interesting. So of all the audiences, you say you think Twitch is like the more...

So picky. They seem to be so harsh. It's like another language. Right. Yes. And what is it about it you think? They get annoyed if you get sponsorships or what is that annoys them or just anything? I think nowadays people are way more understanding about that kind of thing. Yeah. But I think it's because, as I said, it's such a bubble knowing what –

What comes off inauthentically is hard for most companies. Frankly, even a lot of sponsors on most platforms will be like, say exactly this, do it this way. And I think that just really rubs a lot of gamers off the wrong way. Because again, it's like the culture is so specific there a little bit.

I would almost make it similar to like Gen Z TikTok. Like there are very particular things that they like and don't like. Right. And also a lot of gamers are also Gen Z. So yeah. But they're also like, this is my like gaming almost like. Yeah. Like you can't. They're a little protective of it. Totally. So you have to make sure that if you're a company who wants to be a part of the space, like you're bringing value. You're not.

I don't know, being forceful or being inauthentic or clearly only there to take advantage of people if that makes sense. Yeah, and just get the money of it all. And would you take – the sponsors, when you talk about that, is it like drinking something? Is that like a sponsorship on Twitch? How else are you going to do it? Or do you do like an ad read? You're like, hey guys, today we have an ad read from SeatGeek or something. Yeah, both. So for example, I've had sponsorships like for example the headset or keyboard that I'm wearing. So wearing that I'm using. Oh, I see.

I see. So you're like wearing like the kitty ones or something. And then I'll have that like underneath my, my stream. And usually that kind of thing will just pay you every month because you're wearing it every day versus sometimes you might have like an hour sponsor. So you'll say like, okay, you know, for this,

this hour or this hour segment doritos is sponsoring it we're gonna be eating this we're gonna be doing that are you like eating doritos as you yeah oh my god what's so cool actually what i love nowadays about twitch sponsors is like it can be anything makeup food a video game that's the most common one where they'll pay you to play a game no way yeah really you know that's how i started playing fortnite they sponsored me and i did because they're like the biggest like why oh my god and

And they just blew up and I just kept playing it. Were you, were you like, your dance was in it? Yeah. Was that your, okay, so I was so confused. What is an emote? What does that mean? That's like, you're the character? So you buy emotes and it's like a dance or it's an action. Like you could do like a high five emote or you could do a whole dance as an emote. It's just any action that your little character can do in the game. But yours was doing like a full dance. Yeah, so I made this little dance and I was like, can the music sound like this?

So you created the whole thing. Oh my God. And they paid you for that. Oh my God. That's so cool. Cause I would think, actually, I don't even remember if they paid me, but you're just going to be in the game. I mean, yeah. Like, yeah, it's like just such a bucket list thing as a game. Yeah.

I was so honored and I still am, you know, I was like 22 or 23 or something. And how did that even happen? Did you have a manager or they came to you or like? Fortnite just had like maybe a contact at Twitch or knew my manager and just messaged me like, are you interested in making an emote? I was like, hell yeah. You know, it's so random that I'll never forget. Like, so I had to make a TikTok of the dance, the emote. And the same day, like I had a surgery.

Like a lump from my breast. Oh my gosh. Girl, I was on, I literally did a surgery.

Came home, filmed a TikTok for Fortnite. That same day? Yes. Oh, my gosh. Like, you're not even... Especially, like, breast surgery. You're not supposed to, like, move and do all this stuff. No, I was like, F it. Let's go. Wait, did you not... Did you not think, like, beforehand, like, the day before, maybe I should make this before I go? It was a tight deadline kind of thing. They're like, we need it tomorrow. I respect that hustle so much. I was thinking about even after I get birth, I'm like, I'm ready to come back. I want to come, like, that day up and be like, I gave birth. It's such a... It is such a funny thing as a content creator to, like...

The hustle is so real. But I love the dedication that you were like, I'm going to do this. Oh my gosh. It's also just like sometimes the excitement when there's momentum and you're just hyped about something and you want to go back to it. For sure. Do you think that was, looking at your career, I mean, and you're always doing something different, but you were in the Free Guy movie. Is that where you're like, oh my gosh, this is where you just thought, oh, this is the up. I'm going up. I was just so excited that people were paying more attention to streaming. It always felt like...

Streaming and gaming is just something I've always loved for so long. And I was like, not enough people realize how fun this can be. And I want to show people that. That gaming isn't just for someone who's like super hardcore and dedicated and only wants to play this game. Like to me, you play Sims, you play Candy Crush. You want to play on your phone a little bit.

Candy Crush, is that part of the gaming world? Anything. Oh, I didn't know. Any game for me, I'm like, you're a gamer. That's how games should be viewed. That's always kind of been my dream. And that's kind of how it is in Asian countries. Like, girl...

In like Korea, if you're an esports pro, you're a celebrity. Really? What's esports pro? What is that? Like Madden? Like even Fortnite. I don't know. If you play competitively, you're like an esports professional. They're like huge tournaments. They get big salaries, like six figures, seven figures. And they're all just like gaming together on their consoles or what?

A lot of the time it's PC, yeah. Okay. I love a PC because they're cute. They're like pink and stuff. It's literally athletes, but for games. Wow. And then people like go crazy for them over there in Korea. Korea is the place to be because that's where the mukbang started too, like the eating and stuff. And I was like, maybe that's the way to go. They are always ahead. And they were tipping mukbangers. That's how I found out about mukbang. I remember people getting like money live. While streaming? Yeah. They were streaming eating. And that's how I found out about it in like 2012. And I was just like, man, I wish I could do that. Just like eating. Do you still do mukbangs? No.

Not like I used to, you know, not like the big food and stuff, but streaming mukbangs would be like so fun. Do anybody do it? I don't think anybody does it anymore. We only do a very casual, like we don't have dedicated mukbangers, but every now and then, like if we're somewhere, we'll just be like, we're going to do a mukbang of this food. Have you eaten on stream? Oh yeah. Cause that also, some people hate that. I,

I love eating. I love it too. I love food. Do you want to do a mukbang? I would go off. I've never seen you do one because I looked up everything about you. I haven't seen you do a mukbang. What would you eat? Anything. But you're on your health journey now, so it's harder probably. For me, part of that health journey was figuring out, okay, how do I still enjoy myself while still taking care of my body? I kind of follow this 80-20 rule where 80% of what I eat is typically whole foods. So it's not like I avoid food.

a specific meat or grain or something. I'm just like, as long as I know what it is, like it's a whole food. It's just beef, not processed, not whatever. Like you're cooking it at home or something. Okay. And then 20% I'm like, girl, enjoy. Really? I'll still do a mukbang. I'll do whatever. Okay, interesting. Because I think that's like a such a, that should be like your next four ways, like helping people with like health and like learning that it's like not hard, you know? I want to showcase that a lot more to people. And I think that's one of the things that frankly, like the controversy taught me. I'm like, oh, maybe I'm not

being as open as I should be. Of like why you want to do it because yeah the snacks in general are just like not good for you because you know like so many countries won't sell like Starburst or Skittles because of the red 40 and all that stuff like that and I'm just learning about it now being pregnant like you're not supposed to and I'm like looking into all this stuff and I was like oh my gosh I didn't know. There aren't that many like

yummy and like healthy or better for you snacks yeah and that's why I think that is like important that you talk about your journey of like why I got there and just the stuff you say because you know you just assume oh you're thin you don't have to eat or it's ozempic or something so when you're like oh no you can still eat this this I think that stuff is like fascinating I know nothing about like health or anything that so I always think that kind of nutrition in general I guess you're very like smart about it you know what I mean which is like really cool and I think that's amazing

I just want to, frankly, just like help people live a happy, healthy life. And you're like living it. And it's not about the extremes. You should still enjoy yourself. It's so hard though, too. As someone who's an extremity person, it's like, how do you find the balance? You know, it's like so hard. Do you have an addictive personality? Oh, yeah.

Like, to everything. I kind of do, too. Do you know? That's why. To what? What are you addicted to? I feel like you have such a balance. You're such a. That's why I don't do drugs. Oh, girl. Because I know. Oh, wait. You will never see me again. Yes.

yeah same we have a similar story why we don't drink because i saw your oh i didn't know you don't drink yes and i saw your story and i was like this is my story i think it was on your podcast where you're talking about how you were traumatized in like your freshman year of was it college drinking the vodka and you're just like that's what happened to me my 21st birthday my dad took me out gave me all the margaritas i had so much poisoning from it i was like never again never drank again it's almost like your taste buds

build the taste for it where we're like if i smell alcohol i'm like i'm the same it's like gasoline to me yeah like one really bad experience yacked it all up girl even hand sanitizer makes me think of vodka and i like reek from that you know great so you were a freshman in college traumatized oh yeah yeah so your first time yeah and then i was a freshman in college you know it's one of those well what do you call them like

Like freshman week. Okay. I don't know. I didn't go to college, but. Yeah. Everybody for like the first week, because your classes, you just go in and they say, oh, this is what we're going to talk. It's not an actual class. Like the first week is really chill. So people just party a ton. And I went to a party with my roommates at the time. And this was like my first time really drinking, drinking, drinking.

as I said, like, I'm an addictive kind of person. Like, I either am not going to do something at all or I'm going to do it 1,000%. Which is so crazy. So I wasn't like, ooh, a shot. I was like, all of the shots. Oh my God. Because you're like, I just want to get wild. Were you just thinking like you wanted to get wild or you liked the taste at the time? Oh, I just wanted

- I just wanted to get one. - Yeah, yeah, you're like, let's do this. - I think alcohol is still like an acquired taste. I think you can very much like get used to it or start enjoying it. But at the time I was just like, oh, like I don't really know this, but I wanna see what it's really like. - Yeah. So you're doing shots of vodka. - Oh yeah. - No chaser? - No. I'm like, not, I'm just not a casual kind of person. - Yeah, you're like, I gotta have all of it. - And I just threw it all up real bad, real bad.

Oh my gosh. And so after that, you're just like, never again. Kind of, yeah. Wow. That's interesting how our bodies like that. Mine was at two at 21 and I just never drink and sense. And like you want to because sometimes like people look like they're having so much fun. How do you deal with that socially? Like are people not like, oh, why won't you? Or kind of give you a hard time? Well, I'm not a social person. I think that was it. I like that. Even when I'm not social,

Even when I was young, I never went to clubs or anything or bars. So I think I'm just like not a social person. So I've been great with it. But yeah, that's interesting. Do you go out a lot? Like will you go out? No, I kind of want to have like a going out phase. You never did. Another thing about me, I just love doing things for the plot. Like legit. I love that too. You know? And I'm like, I've never had a party plot. Like should I? Yeah.

If you're in your 20s, you know, go out and do it. So I've been thinking about it. I don't know if I'm going to do it. Where would you go? What would you do? Like, what do you see yourself doing? Going to clubs? Actually, I was with Tara. Tara Yummy the other day. No way. Oh, gosh. She knows everybody. That girl is – she's another it girl. She's everywhere. She's out here.

And I love that. Like, she's so fun. I love her too. And she's like, I will take you out. No way. Okay, that. Did you guys post about it or no? It's like secretive. It wasn't secretive, but we just like, it was very casual. In the moment. Yeah, we just went, hung out, ate. I always wonder when influencers go out with each other. Like, I love posting when I'm with, and I only see influencers like when I do the podcast, but I always like love to post and be like, look who I'm here with. Yeah.

And Tara's with someone all the time. So I think that's like so funny that you guys, like you would never expect that crossover. I know. It's so funny. It was really random. And I'm like, we actually do need to take a photo next time. Yeah, right. So did you guys go to like, okay, so you guys, so you did go out. You guys went out and stuff. Since she's pescatarian, I just picked like a really yummy kind of like vegetarian spot. We just went, ate. Girl, we dished.

Oh, yeah. I love her gossip. It was just like, you tell me everything, I tell you everything. And she knows. She's so out. I love her. She is the best. And she's like, yeah, she knows everything and everyone and just so in tune. She's another one who's like super smart. I'm always like so surprised with like young, when I meet young girls and they're in it. And when I found out she was Persian and Middle Eastern, I'm like, you're my sister. Yeah, she speaks Farsi. When she was here, she was telling me. And her mom makes like really, she invited me over to her mom's house. She's like, if you want, like she can make Persian food for us. I was like, absolutely. It's like my Middle Eastern sister. Yeah.

It's so hard to come across Middle Eastern people in the content creation space. That's true. Especially girls. Or at least streaming. Yeah. Especially girls. Yeah. It's kind of rare. Right. So when you see and then you feel like more connected because you're like, oh, it's like this whole thing. A hundred percent. Oh. Yeah. And that's so amazing. Yeah. I feel like that's a whole different world then. It's a whole different connection and stuff like that. She's, yeah, she's super cool and she's another one that's just so like cultured and everything like that. Yeah. It's actually one of the reasons I started streaming and gaming. Like I always kind of felt

Like, I didn't quite belong growing up because I grew up in Canada. I didn't feel like Middle Eastern or African enough. And I didn't feel like just Canadian or like white enough. I'm like...

an awkward middle. So I never really felt like, oh, I really like belong here. Even though I get along with everyone. I love, I like love everyone. Yeah. Yeah. But streaming was kind of the first place where I'm like, I belong here. It's like, we're all almost outcasts in a way. Yeah. And we kind of bond over that in a way.

That's what's so crazy back then because you were saying it wasn't cool growing up. But now it's like the gamers are taking over. They're the cool people. I just read, was XQC's invited to the Met Gala? And I was like, what? That's so random. I don't think that's accurate, but we'll look into that. We talked about topics. Oscar says the same thing. But I swear, Dexerto tweeted about it. I don't believe anything they say. Oh, really? I don't know anything about them. I heard that the Met Gala doesn't want. It doesn't really matter.

I swear I saw XQC. I don't even know XQC. I saw his name. I'm going to look into that. That would be crazy. That would be wild. I know nothing about him. I don't know if he's – I know there's like controversial gamers. Imagine XQC on the podcast. I don't know these people. I need to know because I know they're super popular and they get like a ton of streams. And I'm like, it's just such a different world. It really is. And like I know you because you're like girly cute. You know, it's like girly pop. Thanks. And I was like, okay, I know her. But everyone else, I'm just like –

I have to really get into it for Hot Topics because there's always controversy in the gaming world. Well, if you're ever curious about something, ask me. I'll text you. I'm like, what's the deal? I got you. I actually do that with Tara. She's always like, just text me if you need to know anything. And I'm always like, girl, what is happening? What is this? Yeah, especially because sometimes you need someone who's really in it to know the details. Oh, yeah. And you're in it. So that's what I was going to ask earlier. So do you consider yourself still really in it or are you maybe trying to distance yourself a little bit from just gaming in general? Yeah.

I think I'm trying to see it less so from like as distancing and more so like heading towards other things. So it's kind of like one foot in, one foot out. Like I'm always going to love gaming. I'm going to be like one of those grandmas on her rocker playing a little mobile game or something straight up. And streaming is really fun. But also when you do something for so long, you're like, oh, I've

I'm interested in other things. I want to do other things. I want to showcase other things. And show what you can do. What is your main priority now? Is it the podcast? Yeah, so I launched a podcast called Don't Tell Anyone. So good. Yeah, I'm actually going to do an episode about PCOS and hormones soon. Okay, good. Honestly, it's just like,

It's like FaceTiming your friend. I'm just spilling all the tea. Things I couldn't really share before. I talk about cancel culture. I just talk about kind of anything that's on my mind, like kind of just for fun right now. It's very lifestyle, very give relationship advice, red flags. Oh yeah, I take viewer calls. Yeah. And they'll tell me the craziest thing. How are they calling in? How do people call into it? So they leave in like a voicemail and they're like, oh, like if you need any more information, you can call me at this number. But usually it's like some of the stories they tell me crazy.

Really? Yeah, and it's great because they can also be anonymous. So they really just let loose. Are you producing it yourself? I got a producer. That sounds complicated. Yeah, but I was like, no network, no nothing. I just wanted to... Wow. Yeah, I wanted to...

again, do it for the plot. Like just challenge myself. Yeah. Do something new on your own and like figure it the F out. It's so fun that way. Yeah. And it's not for the money too. And I love money. But like ours was the same way. We just started it. It's best to get money when you're already enjoying yourself. Not do things for it specifically. That is what it is. And when people can see what it is. You know what I mean? Know your value. Know your worth. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. So you started the podcast in December. Yes.

And so you've been doing, that's amazing. So you're doing it every week and you're doing, right now you're doing it like, like you said, basically just like advice solo. Yeah. I did my first guest episode and I'm like. Did you like it? Yeah. Yeah. Very much so. So I think there will be some development soon. Oh, that's so fun. Some things that people have been asking for. Yeah. Well, you're such a

I'll have an update for you. Yeah, you can do it so like on your own. You're so good at it. You know, you really don't need anyone else because I listened to all of your episodes and I was like, wow, she really just like – And the stuff you talk about does get like so real and stuff like, you know, you talk about dating red flags. I love the one where you talked about – you go on dates and you tell them – You do your homework. You really do your homework.

No, because I love you and I loved your cookie and I love the sassiness. I was like, let me see what she has to talk about. And you really are like – you get into it and you're like, yeah, go on dates now. Tell them like I'm thinking about retiring and let me see what they said. Yeah, because a lot of guys like are really just interested in – Dating pokey. Yeah. But like that's not who you're going to see every day, girl. You're like – You never know. And so does that – have you dated in your sphere like in the gaming world before?

Okay, this is what I like to tell people. Dating a streamer, keep in mind, they are people who are sometimes streaming for like nine or 10 hours every day. And then the hours before or after they're on Twitter. It is hard to sometimes have a relationship with people who are so dedicated to their work, really in any field. But especially streaming is so all consuming. Like you are so in it.

And so when two people are so in it, it's like sometimes you can barely have time for each other. Yeah. So you're dating a streamer. That's actually that'd be the worst. I've seen people on TikTok where they have like just a baby with a gamer and the baby's like sitting in one of those like little like chairs attached to the desks. And I'm just like, no, absolutely not. It's actually crazy. And I follow one. You need someone who's really mature. To date. Yes. And being in an industry that revolves around games.

Yeah. Doesn't work that way. So would you. Not always. Sometimes. Are you blocked from dating gamers? Are you like absolutely not? No more gamers? I think streamers. Streamers. Hard pressed. Like it would be. Yeah. You'd be hard pressed to find someone that I'd be down to date. Honestly, my type is kind of like house husbands. Really?

That is the way to go. Like, cook and clean. Yeah. Help take care of me. Let me nice. Oh my God. You know what? That is where you need for sure because you shine and you're so strong and it's just like, and it takes a stronger man to do that. You know what I mean? A lot of men are like, no. Like somebody who's really secure. Yeah. Otherwise they'll be like, mm. I'm curious to hear for you, especially considering like kind of all the phases or like the eras of Trisha. Yeah. For me, it feels like every two years I'm like, what do I know about dating or relationships? Yeah. Like I feel like sometimes

I change my mind every two years. I'm like, I don't actually even know. Maybe in two years I won't want someone like this. How did you know Moses was the one or it was time to get married or any of that? God, you know what? It is so weird. I don't know because I've always been the one to be like, I'm going to marry this person. You know what I mean? Like I need someone and I want to marry them like right away. That's always been me. And then looking back, I'm like, thank God I didn't because they're like, whatever. Yeah.

I feel you. You know? And then also doing what we do, right? You're a content creator and you make money and you're like – you are kind of this like star, right, in your own world or whatever. And it's just like finding that guy that's like not threatened by it, that doesn't want like, oh, stop working. Because I've always had guys that would be like, you can't do this, this, and this, but also wasn't paying for my lifestyle. So I was like, well, what? What do you mean? Yeah. So it's finding that like right person and like –

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, when we met, our story is so weird because it's like it was very like hot and cold. Like it wasn't just like this is the one, even though I wanted to marry like everybody I meet right away, you know. But I don't know. I guess just like over time, quarantine, we quarantined together and then, you know.

The fact that you guys quarantined together and it made your relationship better, not worse. Yeah. Big green flag. That was the green flag for sure. I think that's been a huge test for a lot of people. Right. I never lived with anyone either until I met him. I was like 32 when we lived together. So I was just like, okay, maybe. But I think it's

it's like one of those things that's cheesy it sounds you kind of just like no you know his presence made my life easier and kind of now too like we work together there he is over there like we work together like when I met him he had this job and yeah and it's it is great it's wonderful what you've done for others it

And it's so real. When I think about the people I wanted to have babies with before him, because it's very much like you said, it's like, I love having someone that can like support me. And obviously we support each other, but he really like took a thing to be like, okay, I'm going to like help you and like all of this. He built all of this, you know, he like, when we had the baby, he's like up with the babies. Like he's just like really that person. So it's like finding that person and kind of knowing what you said, right? The house husband of it all, right? It's just like having just also just like that support.

because like you need it right and it's just like so compatible I think with a lot of girls online who have like big personalities and love doing stuff like

You need someone who can just like let you really be yourself. Yes. And if anything, like helps you shine. Like they even put the light behind you. Literally putting the light on you. Yeah. And there are specific instances where like you can do that for each other. It just seems kind of hard to find. That is crazy to me. I love it too because I always thought, oh, I want to date someone famous or I've dated YouTubers or stuff like that. And it is that balance is hard because you both want to be like spotlight.

spotlight and you both don't want to give up stuff and it's like just really hard so yeah finding that compatibility and I think being a female creator is so different in that aspect because it's like you know it is so hard to find guys who get it guys because girl I'm so tired of telling people my traumas and they go oh sorry to hear that oh my clearly don't know what the

They don't get it. They're not going through it. It is. It's so hard. And I've heard that from so many like just women that are like successful too. And then what happens sometimes successful women find successful men. They have babies and then the men get upset that they don't want to like quit their career to take care of the babies and stuff. You know what I mean? That's so scary. Yeah. Sometimes you don't know until you do it. Oh my gosh.

well that is scary that's the scary part about a baby in general or being married it's like until you're in it you're just like oh shit this is like not the right thing so yeah i think well when you're really young but you said you were saying you had baby fever already and want to get married yeah when i first stepped in here i was like i don't know why i'm like excited to be around you and you're pregnant like i do love being pregnant again it's the hormones like yeah i see a baby i'm like did i get one like i like i

Amazon Prime a baby or something. Nowadays, you basically can. If you need a baby, it's going to happen. No, I just feel like more of like an attachment or almost like a motherly instinct. Like I want to take care of something. Right now, my cats are okay. Like my two cats, you know, they're almost like filling my baby fever needs a little bit. Right. But...

We'll see what happens in the future. No, I mean that, that's so interesting because you are so young and the fact that you're like so successful and doing so much and you were like, yeah, I'm kind of getting baby. I'm like, really? That's a, my baby fever was like in my thirties. I was definitely more like, okay, I think it's like time, but I love, if I could have had a baby in my twenties, I would have, you know what I mean? I'm curious. Also, I really wanted to ask you, cause I don't know if you know, but nowadays, especially on TikTok, like

People don't love having babies or talking about, you know, like you hear a lot of the negatives. I was curious what your pregnancy was like. I guess if you have any advice regarding that. Is it like a surrogate angle? My dermatologist recently had a baby. Well, he's a guy, but his wife had a baby. And I went to see him and he was like, I think you should get a surrogate. Really? Wait, why? Well, just like tell.

tough pregnancy he was talking about how his wife you know has to wear like a diaper oh the diapers are real yeah yeah she has are fun though i was just telling him i kind of live being in diapers afterwards yeah you bleed for like six weeks but i kind of live for it because it's not like changing a tampon or pad it just like leaks out i lived for it i like didn't want to get out of the diaper because i was like wow just like letting it flow very natural i liked it actually another thing because i love that i know there's a lot of girly pops watching all girly pops i love it um

I need to put you guys on two period panties. Like I've never looked back since. Are those kind of like diapers? Kind of, but they're not thick. It's literally underwear. That absorbs. All of your blood. Oh, so you can just let it flow. You don't do tampons. No, I actually have almost, sorry. I've like never really done tampons. I've mainly been a pads girl and tampons. Like a lot of the time it's just been kind of uncomfortable for me. But now I've started doing period panties specifically from, I think,

T-H-I-N-X. Okay. Yeah. And most of the time throughout most of my period, I'll just be in a period panty. They even have like a thong version for like your lighter days. No way. It's not thick. Like it's not like you're wearing a diaper. It's like absorbent. Yes. And you just throw it in the wash. I've had the same five, six pairs for years. Oh, really? Oh, that's. I feel like

I feel like they're not popularized enough, but I'm like. I've never heard of that. Because the diapers you wear. It's the way to go. You're just chilling. Right. It just let it flow. That's how I love diapers. The diapers you throw away each time. So like after you like go, I guess you could reuse them. I throw them away each time. Yeah. And it's like.

And it's kind of great. It's like having fresh underwear all the time. True. And I always was like, oh, like putting underwear back on. But this you just wash and it's like brand new. Wow. And I guess it's better for the environment because you're not. Right. That's true. You're not throwing it out. Yeah. You're not throwing anything out. Because pads would always move around. Like I like the idea of pads, but yeah, they would always like move around and I couldn't wear it. That's so. Okay. Yes. Period. Panties. I did not know. Yes. Diapers. The diapers are. Tell me what.

Tell me more about your pregnancy. Like, if I were to get pregnant in two years, what would you tell me? Oh, I tell everybody to do it. Like, I'm like, even now, I'm like, I find myself talking to, like, young people. I'm like, get pregnant so we can... This is, like, so much fun. But people do have, like, horrible experiences. I really do feel for them. Even this pregnancy has been, like, a little bit tougher in the sense I'm just tired. But I still love being pregnant. I don't know. It's just, like...

Maybe, again, hormones. Maybe you know. I don't know anything about – I just know hormones have a lot to do with pregnancy and postpartum and all that stuff like that. But during pregnancy, whatever the hormone is, it's like I'm getting like dopamine. Like I'm just like happy and rested and just like living my best life. I love that.

I love that. So I know she's like literally coming any day. So I'm just like, okay, I'm like ready for it. But yeah, it's been – I've had only great experiences. I could be pregnant forever. It's like having the kids that get like tough because, you know, now my daughter is like one and a half. She's like running around everywhere. But it's so fun. I mean I love it. And like I said, I wish I could have had kids at like 25, you know. So yeah. You're just such an inspiration. Okay.

It's been a journey. I was like, you know, YouTube's been a journey and my emotions have been a journey. But I feel like people really appreciate that. And they appreciate that you've showcased so much of yourself and your personality in your life.

like i really hope to someday almost be at like an equivalent point because i feel like oh well you can tell me if you feel differently but i feel like your audience and people online like they really get you now they get me now yes and i think there were period like periods in the past where they didn't really get you no up until literally like this year no and i think but it's like the journey because you know what i mean like i think if there was the journey right like the ups and the downs yeah but once you make it past the downs together they're

It's a thing. And I'm so glad I put out everything. And I think that's why it's so good. Like your whole journey, just everything you put out. Because seeing you now versus you when you're my age, like 35, right? Like 10 years from now or whatever. It's just like it's going to be such a different person. And it's cool to see like the evolution. And you're so lucky because you have always been so like poised online and you've shown your smartness online. And I think that's great. And so when you do open up about stuff that's more vulnerable, I think people like –

Because they see you, I see you, and I think, oh, just this perfect pretty girl that gets all the male attention and she's just so lucky and rich and all that stuff like that. But then when you open up about this stuff, all this stuff, like your journey of being an immigrant to Canada and coming here and then just trying to pave your way in this male-dominated industry and also just coming up with your own businesses, that's an inspiration, especially for as young as you are. I look at that and I'm like, gosh, I wish I was doing that at 26. All this stuff, 22 when you were doing that.

And it's amazing. I really appreciate hearing that because it's like a positive feedback loop for me to share more. As I said, like there were just certain points in the past that I hit where I'm like, oh, like I'm going to private all this. I just...

It almost got to be too much. And I felt like I became a lot more private. And now I'm like slowly opening back up. I think the podcast that you're doing is such a great way to show people that. Because like I enjoy that the most of all the content. I was like watching of yours and stuff. I was like, I love the podcast where it's just like you talking. Yeah, I really wanted to create something. Actually, the best way that I could have put it was like, if you really want to get to know me, like just watch the podcast. Yeah.

us yeah it's really like we're hanging one-on-one it really is that's what's the vibe is really cool you talk about like the importance of like having like female friendships and all that stuff which again is something people may not look at you right like you think of a gamer girl and you think of like the lack of a better word like pick me right like okay we like fortnight whatever we gotta talk about that too well tell me what do you think because i was like oh video game girls pick me but

What do you think when people say that? So I think, of course, pick-me's do exist. I think especially when you're in a male-dominated field, sometimes you can be almost conditioned to be a pick-me. If you have thousands of people telling you, this is what's right, this is what's wrong, and they're all guys, you can probably get into that headspace. I think I've been really lucky because during all of my worst times...

specifically the people who saved my mental and saved me were my female friends. The ones who were like, no, we get it. And we get why this is unfair. We get your perspective. And so like really my female friendships have always been like my saving grace. And I feel like it's launched me in the complete opposite of like a pick me. I'm almost like way too biased towards women. I support women's rights and their wrongs.

It is what it is. I'm like, you can do no wrong. Try just $50 for cookies. I support it. You know what I mean? Like I'm that same way. I became anti-men almost. I'm like, no females got it. And I think that's just how it is. Like at the end of the day, who's, who's got you?

your female friendships because a lot of the time female friendships, it's like sisterhood. Whereas sometimes relationships, although they can be great and really supportive, there's also like they have conditional factors and stuff. To me, I found like the purest connection has been my

friendships of like five ten years with other girls who have been through similar things and get it and honestly this is like scientifically back to there have been um like programs or things that are male dominated and they found that like when it's just one girl alone she'll like always drop out or leave or whatever but when they have a supportive community with like similar identity then they can actually make it through or grow or build so yeah

And it's really remarkable. That's kind of the same thing. I only became like a girl's girl really after birth because I was like, no guys, whether they were straight or gay, were like understanding what I went through. But all the girls in my life that I didn't even think of as like friends or anything, that they just understood it. So if I had a meltdown, if I had this, you know, my friends, if they were, whether they said gay or straight, they were just very much like, ugh, I don't get this. This is an adjustment for all of us. And I'm just like, not for us, for me. And so girls got it. And I love that guys try. Yeah.

They try. They really do. But sometimes like if you don't share a certain like identifying factor with someone and you don't have that lived experience, it's hard to fully understand it. I also like I feel like I've become so like girl's girl or biased towards girls to the point where like when I do see a pick me, I'm just like, it's okay. You know, hopefully pick me to girl's girl pipeline. It will go. It will happen. I see it too. I see it in so many people. I believe in you. Yeah.

And I get it. And I like get those. Like it picked me such a weird word, but like I totally was always that person. It's like, I want to be with the boys. And like, there's like nothing wrong with it. Of course. You know what I mean? Like there's obviously great guys. When you grow up, hopefully like you just start to really appreciate women as well. Yeah. At least equally. Equally. That's the point, right? Like so many people put guys at like a

better stand it and I always did too I was like I value you guys way more than girls but then it's like at least you can look at them equally if not more especially like you said they just get it as opposed to like guys and guys they get along but we have so much going on in our bodies and most people just don't get it and I didn't get it either until you like go through something like you said your PCOS or pregnancy or anything you're just like oh man this is like not easy and it really is a hormonal thing like you know and it's

wild but it's like guys can be so encouraging and supportive and really sympathize but it's different when someone can empathize

right when it's like i was there i've been there like i really i know what you're going through and that perspective you know it just makes you feel not alone which is nice yeah just like you get it and it's not just like you just like having sympathy it's more like you said empathy is a good one there do be there do be sorry pick me's in this industry a lot though the scariest ones are the ones who seem like girls girls and they're not oh i know i know and that's like the

That's like the saddest. I know. And I always pray for them too. I'm like, you're going to come around. You're going to come around. And I see myself in so many of them and I'm just like, no, you just, they just don't see it quite yet. But that stems from so many things, you know, just a lot of things, you know, people, females always out there in competition with each other and stuff. And it just sucks. That's also what I've hated the most. Like I, I just want girls to win in my industry so bad. I'm like, we need it. Yeah. More representation. Yeah. But I have felt sometimes,

feeling competitive with me. And I'm like, I don't want that. Like, I don't even care if other people compare us or put us in competition. Like, between us, we shouldn't be. It only helps everyone. Like you said. I agree. Rising tides, like, raise all boats or something. Oh, I like that. Yeah, there's a saying like that. That's how I see it. It's true. And I kind of learned that through even doing OF. I don't really do it anymore, but when I did it, it's so many girls, right? They collaborate.

a lot they clap a lot and it just all helped each other and i have like the biggest girls on of and they like helped me get to the top and i was like god they're really i still respect those girls so much because it's like they didn't look at it as like i'm giving you my fans like we're like helping each other you know what i mean and i think that was like i don't know that can be very powerful thing too so when i thought about like the gaming world and going back again to like cookie controversy oh all the guys just like coming for you i was just like because it

It really was guys, right? It wasn't... We can bleep the name out if you don't want me to say it, but was it Penguins, Charlie, or whatever? Oh, yeah. And I was just like, that guy's so nice to everyone, and he's coming for you for... I was surprised, because he'd been nice to me, too, and...

He had, he'd like invited me to do like shoots with him or things like that. And I thought at the very least, if he like so vehemently disagreed with something that I did, it's not that you owe me like a DM or something, but he could have easily reached out. Ultimately, you know, it's his content. I mean, like that's what he does. He covers news. So I get it. I was just a little bit hurt that, um,

I had come out with a statement and I think if I'm recalling correctly, I might not be, but if I am, I think at the beginning of his video, he was like, yeah, she came out with a statement, but like, I'm not going to read that. And he just kind of like, and I'm like, there's so much more context. I understand it might make for a more sensational video. But I think he got some backlash for it. Cover the drama. Yeah. I know. And he never gets backlash. So I was just like, cause this is like a nice guy that everyone respects. And he got a little backlash for it. Cause it just,

It just seems so much harsher coming from, like, again, from guys and your field being that. But how did you earn, like, the respect from guys in your gaming world? Because I see you go on podcasts and streams and stuff like that. And I'm like, oh, you did a lot with girls this past week, I saw. But you do a lot with guys, too. So how do you earn the respect of guys as well as the girls? I think it's just, like, years of hard work. Just being around. Yeah. And...

This might sound silly, but like the games that I play, I try really hard to be good at them. Yeah. Because it's like sometimes it's like the only people who respect you. Like you got to persevere and you like really have to prove yourself. I don't even think you need like you should need to prove yourself that much. But I've always been so well aware of that.

sometimes the bias against me that again yeah i felt that need to prove myself but now i'm at a point where i'm like i shouldn't do things just for that sole purpose i should do things because i want to yeah you know and that's why i think the path you're on right now right is like you're doing it because i want to yeah so with the podcast it's like a new direction too where else do you see yourself like going or things you want to do outside of like gaming and social media and streaming

Honestly, I've been really enjoying like shorts, like TikToks and reels and stuff like that. Yeah, you're kind of a TikTok queen now. Okay, I'm going to live for that. I'm not sure exactly. I guess I'm at a point where I'm like, what do people want to know? Like what kind of insight would be interesting to my life? So I think sometimes you're just like going to throw a bunch of darts at the wall and see what lands, see what you enjoy, what the audience enjoys. I think the last year or two especially, I've kind of built out a life for myself. Like I live alone now. I've got my two cats. Like,

My day-to-day, my health journey, all of these things that feel more me. And now I'm like, oh, I think I'm ready to kind of like let people into this new me and just see like what they find interesting, what they want to know about and just be more open in general. Just like letting people in. Yeah. Yeah. Because what do you recommend? No, I think you're on the right track. I think one of my problems is like, I'm down for anything. ASMR, mukbang, gaming, fashion, beauty, makeup. Yeah. Like I'll do a little makeup. Yeah.

Well, that's true actually because you do – with your like chemical engineering knowledge and just like wanting to make products, are you thinking of doing like more product, not just food but like makeup and stuff like that too like you mentioned? Actually, the minus stuff really taught me – like I just learned so much from that experience. Obviously, there are things that I regret and apologized for and just huge learning experience of what it means to put your face on a product.

And I think you've done like product launches in the past and stuff like that. I might have always flopped. I'm not like you where I'm like technical with it. I like – I rush things. I'm like, let's just do it and get it out. And then I'm like, oh, I'm not happy with it. But you still kind of like see the feedback, see what people say. It's harsh. It's harsh to put out a product. You really learn. Yeah. And so I feel like I'll be much more considerate in the future. I am never going to rush anything ever again. Was this rush? I feel like – No, not really. But I think –

I think when you're a startup, there is rush. There's budget. There's runway. Runway is essentially like how much money you have for however many upcoming months. So there's very much a timeline. Oh, okay. So you're budgeting it all. Yeah, that is very, very difficult to manage. And I realized like there are certain things that would be okay for most startups that are just not okay coming from me. Which is...

tough to balance. Like at one point I started feeling like a burden to the company because I'm like, you guys have to be so careful because your name is tied to mine. A really easy example is like, we started shipping to Canada and there are certain like really niche areas of Canada where the shipping can be, let's say like $30. Like I lived in Canada. It's like, are you bringing this to me on a moose? Why is it so damn expensive? The shipping can be crazy.

And when we spoke about it and they explained this, I was like, we just cannot make that an option even. And they're like, but that's just like how much USPS or whoever is going to charge for the shipping. And I'm like, it doesn't matter because the optics are bad. Like it would look bad to have $30 shipping on $28 cookies kind of thing, you know? And so, yeah, I learned a lot from that where I'm like, oh, I...

I really understand what it means to be like a content creator face of something, especially, especially,

Frankly, just being in a position where people love to scrutinize. Yeah. Oh, you're in that vulnerable position. You're a girl gamer and everyone's just waiting for your downfall. It feels like people want your downfall, but nobody thinks that. I don't know how you feel about this. I really wanted your take too, just on cancel culture and all this stuff. Sometimes I feel like it's just waves. People really want to love you sometimes and-

And then when you're up there, people really want to hit you. I say it all the time. Is that how you feel too? Of course. I've been like canceled two years ago low and then now it's like high. But it's a flow. It's always a flow. And I feel like you love what you do. How do you get past it? What do you do in those like lows to...

I guess continue. I mean, just continue. And I think that's really the secret, right? What do you think about cancel culture? It's like, unless you're like an actual crappy person and you've like done horrible things. Go to jail then. Yeah, right, right. Okay. If you're doing like crazy stuff, that's a whole other thing. But yeah, if it's just people just like wanting like, oh my God, these cookies are so expensive. It's just like, that's like ridiculous. Even your apology, like having to apologize for that, you know, like looking back, I'm like, it's just not, it's just that, that doesn't like,

need an apology. You know what I mean? Like there's so many things that do and it's anyways, it's a whole thing. But yeah, you just kind of keep posting and I love it. And there's like no plan B for me. Like I love this. Oh, that's so true. You know? So it's like what else am I going to do? Like what am I going to do? Like go die in a hole? Yeah. And you love it and you're good at it. You know what I mean? Like I do think for me the biggest thing that keeps me going is that usually if there is outrage, it's almost never from like

my followers never yeah it's like other people who know my name and maybe saw like something really clickbait or saw a narrative like spin really negatively if frankly if my audience was ever really mad at me like i would take that so seriously like if they ever hated me i'd actually be like oh there's like no point in me making content but no but they really like

Keeps me going. That's what it is. And that's, I think, how you go through it too. Because people through all my cancellations have loved me. You know what I mean? And be like, no, we know you're a good person. We get you. Yeah. It's not like you're not this bad person. Do you know what I mean? If I was a bad person, then I'm like, okay, maybe I would hang it up. But I also think that's the longevity of it, right? If you're a bad person, you're not going to make it far. Mm-hmm.

I think if you have good intentions. People will catch on. Yeah. So I think with that kind of stuff. And it's just so silly. Like I remember now like looking back at this cookie controversy. I'm like thinking I was rewatching it all last night. And I was like, God, this was so crazy how mad people were getting about it. And I'm just like,

And it was like from these like guys that I'd never seen before just like talking about it. But at the end of the day, I really do think when you're from an outside perspective, right, when it's happening, it's the worst to you. But for everyone else, I'm like, God, this is like great for business, right? We bought the cookies. We're like, let's buy them. You know what I mean? Like any sort of controversy, I'm just like, I need to know about these cookies. And we kept buying them. Like these are fresh cookies that just came in the other day. Like we kept buying them. They're good. Yeah.

In the Twitch bubble, we have this term called copium. It's like a drug, copium. It's like what you think or do to cope with whatever shitty thing you're going through. And like really my copium during that time was just like, all press is good press. Yeah, that's good. Surely.

Surely. And it really is. Like I said, as long as you're not like committing crimes out there, it really kind of is at the end of the day. And it's like literally just this harmless thing like cookies. And I thought the whole thing was like so funny. And of all your like controversy – I'm very glad you found it funny. Yeah. Just because you are. I mean the stuff you do is just so like fun and like silly and people sometimes take it so seriously. And I'm just like kind of wild. But yeah, cancel culture is such a weird one. But really at the end of the day, no one really gets canceled. Even horrible people, they're like still around. So true.

It's also crazy how the internet is like so big now that I've seen a lot of creators almost like get canceled and then almost like rebuild an audience that doesn't know at all what happened. You know what I mean? They just kind of like snuck onto the radar somewhere else. Yeah.

I mean, that works too. I don't know. The internet's such a funny place, but I just like love it. So I just like it. Could you see yourself? Do you think? Well, I guess because you did study like math and science, you see yourself ever going just out of it. This shit's way more fun. It's so much fun. And you're such a good talker and you like look so cute. And it's like, you know, you have like an it in you sometimes and you're like, this is what I meant to do. Like, I just...

I love other people. Like, I love talking to people. I love interacting. I love bringing value to people. That's why I like being vulnerable or talking about things when I'm ready, you know? And I think that's something that I will never get tired of. Maybe there are ways that that will translate in the future. You know, if maybe I have, like, I'm married and two kids and I do want to go more towards business and a little less content creation. But, yeah, I just...

I love doing shit. It's just so fun. I know. I was like that too. I was like, well, maybe when I'm a mom, I'll like want to do it. But you just like pivot. Now you're like, now there's, now I'm a mommy blogger. There's more to show. There's more to share. I,

Actually, that's it. I love sharing. Me too. I love sharing. I do too. Even when no one watches. And like social media is perfect for that. Yeah. And it is like a connection. Like you said, I think when you don't have like, either you don't have friends or you don't want to be social, it's just like that perfect way to be social. So true. And that's why I love doing this podcast too. It's like I get to meet people like you or just, it's like such a social hour for me and it feels so much like I never would have had before. You know what I mean? You really are so perfect for it. Oh my gosh. Thank you. I love your podcast and I love how fast you can change.

talking so much. You too though. You talk so fast. I love how it's definitely my brain. I hope this scratches people's brains. Yeah. Because I'm not going to lie a lot of the time I listen to podcasts on 2x. Right. Or 1.5. No no one does 2x on this. They're like we got this.

I love it. And they say that. That's like the term they use is like scratching people's brains. I love it. That's why when I saw, I heard your voice stuff. Oh, you're just natural ASMR, which is kind of everything. And I kind of like love that for you. I'm very excited. I hope we can like game together. I'm getting so gassed up. No, you're, but you really are. I'm going to leave this room.

ever when you came in you had such good energy first of all I have to note that she was like so punctual like one o'clock was the call time one o'clock you're here it's important because like whoever you're meeting their time is so valuable I feel like when you're late you're basically saying like my time is more worthwhile absolutely not you're right and you have a production here like

house with my husband. Yeah. No. You have production. You have people taking photos. Oh, yeah. I do. Also, I need to say, like, Trisha's place is so Trisha-coded. Like, whatever you're imagining, it's that. That's so funny you said that. Oh, thank you. We're trying to do more. I want to, like, transform this down here so it looks like just Trish, like, studios, like, merch and just all this cute stuff. We're working on stuff, too. It's already so cute. I know it'll only get cuter. And she has photos of, like, so many guests she's had here. Yeah.

I love the guesswork. Warms my heart. Yeah, same. That's why I love having like a photographer come in. Like right when you came in, it's like paparazzi. It's like shoot, shoot, shoot. Cause I just love it. I'm like, that's so smart. You know, I love photos. I'm like, I'm really bad at taking photos and like commemorating things. Like just for memories. Yeah. I need to do that more. I'm surprised cause your phone is like so cool. And I feel like that's like the perfect like camera. It has like a front facing one. We give like a shout out to this phone, but it's like literally has a front facing camera. It's the flip five. I was showing her. She's like, what is this?

And it shows like your picture on the front. Yeah, I was trying to show her when you take photos, like there's a little button here. So there's a screen at the front. It's just a cute little like added thing to a selfie, like in a mirror where it's like, oh, you can see the photo kind of twice. No, that's why that was the coolest thing ever to see how you look and stuff like that. You're such a tech girl. The reason it's like that is so that you can take like photos like this.

Like closed. You can still take it. I thought it was so cool. I thought it was like a little camera or something and I was like, oh, I need that. I love like, do you remember, did you ever vlog? Were you a vlogger ever? Yes, a little bit. Do you remember those little cameras that like flipped up like that? They were like little compact cameras. I think it was the Canon one. The Canon one. Yes, I,

love those. That one is nice. Oh, I wish they had them. And you just like set it up. Yeah. Yeah. And they have like a little thing so you can set it anywhere you want. I always thought those were so cool. I love those. I bought one like a year ago, even though they've been like discontinued a long time ago. Oh, you found it on like eBay or something? Yeah. Oh, man. They're just so cute. I need it. I love little gadgets like that. It's so cute. And that's why I saw yours. I was like, I need that phone. Please, I'll get you one. You said you had multiple phones. So this address...

Wait, why? Okay, so I use different phones for different things, but also I have different numbers because my number always gets leaked.

I don't like to talk about it too much because I don't want to encourage people. Okay, yeah, we don't have to go into it. No, it's okay. It's just like they will say or do the craziest things. Sometimes it's really bad. Sometimes it's nice like, hey, like a message. Hey, like I saw your number was posted here and there. Not too long ago, they called me and do you know what spoofing is? No. So you can spoof a number. Basically, they hide their phone number with someone else's phone number.

That you know or don't know? That I know. So they found my number and my friend's number. And they made their number look like my friend's. So on my phone, it showed up as like, you know, like Emily or something. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, why is Emily calling me? I pick up and it's a guy who's like, I'm going to come. I don't know if it's like our word. Wait, what? Yeah. And I'm like, this isn't...

What? Oh, my God. In, like, 18 years of doing social media, I've never heard this ever. Yeah. What do you do? Do you call the cops? Or, like, how do you... You get a new phone number. Because you don't know their number. They have yours and your friends and... And you're changing it all the time. So, like... Yeah. Oh, my God. That's, like, so scary. I know. I'm learning now about, like, air tags and all these things that I've never heard before. I know. And they can trace you. There needs to be, like, a website that just has, like, security information, especially for women. You know what? Like...

just broke my heart to hear. I've of course dealt with a lot of security issues in the past, but I'm like, oh, it's because I'm a public figure or whatever. A lot of women in my audience have told me like, my Instagram's private just because like I get stalked. And they're just like a student. They don't post anything. Like stalking and security issues are so...

so common for women regardless of what you do almost worse when you're private because right where public figures if something happens like it's easier to find trace track like i always think that i'm like oh my god if i like got kidnapped or something now people would as opposed to people like he's a college students since they go missing they go whatever you know it's like there's like no info really and there's no stalking like regulations like there's really not it's the

Yeah. I actually had a stalker show up near my house years ago when I lived in that content creation house. And unfortunately, this person was like really mentally unwell and they were in our area. And my roommate found out. And so I called the cops and I was like, I don't know what to do. And they said, well, call us if he does anything.

Yeah. I was like, okay. And then they did not care. They don't care. And we had like a substantial amount of information about this guy. And they were just like, we can't really do anything until he, I don't know, stabs you. Literally, they have to actually like actually try to attempt it. I had a guy show up with a gun to my house on my birthday in quarantine, May 8th, 2020. And,

And he was arrested. This is like – yeah, Mo's going to test this. I didn't know. Yeah, I had my gate open because it was my birthday. So people were dropping things off, you know, my friends and stuff because it was quarantine. And so he came, had the gun, whatever, got like arrested. But he like didn't come in. But he had like – I could see it in the camera. I saw something. He was like this little boy. They came, arrested him, took – they couldn't put him in jail because it was like quarantine at the time or whatever. So they released him. He came back that night.

I had 24-hour security at my house. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, it was crazy because like Moses was there. It was this whole thing because we had just started like dating. And basically they're like, there's nothing we can do. So he comes back again and they're like, well, we can take him but like we're not going to be able to do anything. He's just going to get out. And I was just like –

a what like nothing and it was same thing he was armed all the stuff like that and like um yeah he just came back and they can so design got 24 security and it kind of like helped it a little bit but i'm so sorry to hear it's crazy and they can't do anything they can't do anything it's terrible and in moments like that i just think like wow at least i'm lucky that i'm financially like i have the finances to get security yeah you have a security in your building who doesn't yeah

like isn't that what police force is in is there for to help us all yeah and it's just i don't know if it's like a law thing i don't know what it is but it's just it's really scary the stalking like i just keep thinking like i actually want to advocate for bills for like stalking security issues deep fakes all of this stuff like if i had an opportunity to girl i'd be in front of the parliament hello let me tell you what you should be able to like

If anyone ever sees this who is, I don't know, a government official of some sort, I will do it. Yeah. You had a deep thing. I tried to message AOC. What's AOC? You know AOC? No. She's just a really, really... What is it? You should look her up.

Do you know AOC? She's like, yeah, she's like the most popular female politician, I think. Her name is AOC? Alexandria something Cortez. Oh, okay. I'm so bad. I'm telling you when it comes to politics. She's like, she's like the most common, the most popular among young people. Okay. She's so cool. Shout out AOC. Yeah. I was like texting her and stuff. But I know she probably has so much on her plate. Did you text her? Mm-hmm. We talked about it very briefly, but like I just never...

During the deepfake stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you were a victim of this too? Not just me, so many people. But there was like a big like drama thing where essentially a streamer, he was streaming and he accidentally showed a tab where he was looking at deepfakes of me.

Wait, what? Yeah, that's what happened. And he was, was he like a big streamer where like a lot of people are seeing this? Yeah. And so it just became like this whole thing. And so there was, and so people like were looking this up. Was it on a website? I don't even know anything about deep fakes. How does this happen? Is it on a website? Is it on Twitter? Like where do they see them?

Twitter has become a bit of a crazy place where people can kind of post anything. But actually, I've seen some like AI inappropriate photos of me like get like tens of thousands of likes on Twitter. And I'm like, wait, so sometimes it freaks me out because people don't know if something is real or not. I never know. I'm the first person. I'm like, oh, I love this flooring and ask her like it's AI. And I was like, wait, what? Like, I don't know anything that's like real or fake. Yeah. Wait, so. So that's very much something that needs regulations ASAP, especially because like.

Like, yeah, that was, as I've said, every year I learn kind of how to manage this stuff a bit better. So I've learned certain resources to get to help take some of this stuff down. But there are also like girls in high school. That don't have the means, yeah. Who have like, someone in their math class makes a deep fake of them. Wait, what? And that can be so traumatizing, especially at like such a formative young age. Yeah.

Oh, I just... It makes my blood boil. Also life-ruining. Like your career. You could like stop getting jobs because of it. Relationships. Like that's crazy. Reputation. All of this stuff. I don't know if you saw Taylor Swift had a recent issue. People started spreading deep fakes of Taylor freaking Swift. Yeah.

And I feel like Taylor Swift, not whatever, but I mean, that's like a little more like maybe that's probably fake as opposed to like a gamer girl. Elon will actually care and like take care of it. But with like most other people, it's like. You might think it's real because. You need to get like real good lawyers and real good cybersecurity. Were you able to get it taken down or are they still? Yeah, luckily. But I mean, I try not to be too aware of it. I just have a team of people who can kind of help me take that stuff down. So how big is like you have moderators? How many people do you have helping you like cybersecurity?

Cyber Patrol. Oh, that team. I mean, like they're a group in and of themselves. Okay. So I don't even know, but I pay them to kind of just like help. Yeah. I have some too. Like when I was doing the OF to take down the stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's, it's cool that OF girls have to know about this. Otherwise people re-upload their stuff a lot. And they're great because they do take it down. You pay like $500 a month and they like take that stuff down for you. It's like really nice. Yeah. And they probably like help each other. Like, oh, here's the guy that I use or the service that I use. Yeah.

That's what I found out. They would tell me because I was like, oh my God, all my stuff's getting leaked and stuff. So, and even now they like, I still pay that company $500 to take stuff down. That's so nice. Yeah. Because it's like, one, it's like your money. It's your body, your image. Yeah. Your choice whether or not it should be out there. Yeah. And where it should be because just because I post it doesn't mean it can be, you know what I mean? Just all that stuff is like weird. The internet can be weird that way. It's also weird that, for example, like I've heard instances where celebrities post photos of themselves that paparazzis take and they get sued by the paparazzi. And I'm like, but the

photo is a view yeah the laws around this are so so odd and the only thing that really pisses me off like i stand so firmly on this topic but there have been instances where like the men were out to get me some some of them really yeah i said something along the lines of like there should be like legal repercussions for people who do this stuff or spread inappropriate photos especially of like minors in high school things like that that's disgusting yeah and people came after me

They like, they called me a communist. They're like, you're trying to patrol the internet. What? I'm like, God, that's. Are you okay? No, the gaming world. Like that, that's a whole different world. Like OF2, when I was doing that, that's when all the like the weirdos, again, for lack of a better word, would come up because it's just like, that's wild. Like, do you see how they're flipping that? Like what kind of a crazy take is that? But when I tell you like, that was.

But when. Oh my God. When I'm so sure of my opinion, I don't give a fuck who's mad at me. I love that. Yeah. It's like if I said, don't be racist and racists get mad at me. Yeah. They're like, you're taking away our rights to say yeah, yeah, yeah. That's.

That's crazy. Cookie beans. No, it is crazy when people are defending the deep fakes of it all. It's just like, wait, what? Yeah, what? How could you possibly? That's so scary to me and that it can only get worse, right? People just doing this stuff and spreading it. Like you said, it affects you, of course, but at least you have your job, whatever. But people who have actual corporate jobs that would get fired for it, it's a whole different thing. Or just young girls. Oh, yeah.

Oh, the high school thing is disgusting. I've never heard that. That is actually traumatizing. Yeah. Girls in my audience will tell me. They'll say it in my chat. I'm like, what do you do? This is why politics always like, I just don't know because it feels helpless, right? Like there's nothing. What can you do to change it? You just try to be loud enough and hopefully get attention from some people and then. But no one cares about that. But yeah, like they're kind of like care about TikTok banning. I know. Because you see it got passed again through like another like house or I don't know. I don't know anything about politics. Do you think they'll ban TikTok? Yeah.

I think so. There's a guy I follow. He always talks about like TikTok drama and he was saying like it just passed again and Joe Biden said he's going to sign it if it gets passed through the third house. I'm not any sure, but I don't like imagine. I know. Maybe. Did you know they tried to ban it in like, was it Montana or something? Did

Did you know? Oh, no. Did it work? They actually banned it in Montana. I think Montana. I could be wrong. Did they? Some state. I'm Canadian. Pardon me. Yeah. And I think it was only banned for like a month and then they reinstated it. Oh, it came back. So I'm like, there's no way that long-term it would stay banned. I don't think so. I don't think so either unless there's like China or something. I don't know what the whole China connection is, but...

I almost like want to see what would happen because then kids would actually like really be involved in politics. Oh, for sure. They would take to the streets. I'd be right there with you. Yeah, for sure. And this is election year because they were, the guy who was following on TikTok saying that he's like, Biden says he's going to sign it in. I'm like, this is our time, you guys. I don't know anything about politics, but I'm like, don't vote for Biden. He wants TikTok fans. But then it's like, is it Biden or Trump? Oh my God. Oh, I don't know. Is Trump ready? I don't know. Actually, I only have a visa, so I actually can't legally vote. Oh, really? So it kind of gives me a pass where I'm like, I'm kind of aware.

politics but I can't even tell you who I'm gonna vote for because I actually cannot vote oh my gosh it's so great so oh that's so interesting right because you're from Canada yeah why do I always think like Canadians can just like come here I know that's so weird they kind of can like we can stay here for like half the year but then they actually start getting mad wait really should you go back and forth oh no that's if you don't have a visa but I have a visa now so I'm okay I got it okay so visa you can just stay here then okay how do you get like a green card how do you get those things you just have to apply usually after having a visa yeah yeah okay that's cool I didn't I don't know anything about any of this stuff I

I always think it's so cool. - I'll tell you anything that I know. - And you're so smart with all of it. Well, geez, man, this TikTok ban, this is the time. The political, it's very like, everything seems so political now. I'm like, I should probably get involved and figure it out, but I don't know how to navigate. - Same for me, I just try to advocate when I can. Spread awareness when I can. - We need you in the government, not just voting. We need you in it doing-- - I would happily speak to the government anytime because I feel like I have such firsthand experience with things that I would like to be passed as bills.

um but there's like rarely ever an opportunity or people caring enough for it to become something actionable well i feel like you're also so well spoken and it's like that's something i struggle with i'm like stutter a lot speaking yeah no you completely disagree oh my god no you're so poised you know exactly what you're me i'm like fumbling all the time just because like i my mind's going a million miles a minute i'm like what do i say like how do i say this i'm not articulate like you listening to you talk i never feel like you don't express yourself really i think you

I go around in circles trying to get to my point. I'm like, I'm trying to get there. But you really do get there. And you cover your bases, which is really good. It's a roundabout way. I'm not always great at covering my bases. Sometimes I come off like too opinionated. I'm like, period. People are like, I didn't like her tone. Oh, sorry. I didn't even mean it. Which is something.

so funny your tone is so sweet and bubbly like you literally could say nothing that's what I'm saying even like your little cookie ones I was like that's just like cute I feel like if I said it yes I'd be canceled I'd be like oh my god this person I'm like you but I just think the way you say it's cute and I like that yeah I do obviously regret moments right you let people almost like get to you yeah but also sometimes clap backs are funny so it's like managing like clap

But like not too crazy and also not letting it get to you. I think you have the perfect combination for it. Thank you. And I think that's like so good. But yeah, we definitely need to get like an Elle Woods into Congress or something like that to like fight for these. Yes. Because they have like squatter laws, right? Where you can like just like go to someone's house. And I'm like, okay, maybe we should get rid of that law. We have laws for the most random things. Like you can let a squatter be in your house, but not like a stalker. It's like,

Whatever. It's like, you know, it's just so weird. I don't know. I still can't believe they let him out the same day. Yeah. And it was during quarantine. So I don't know if it was like spaces in jail or like... Doesn't matter. I know. Like, sure, it matters. Maybe there's different processes during quarantine. Yeah.

that should not have been what they did at all and like i said if you're just like an average person who can't get security yeah it's like and the security was expensive it was like twenty thousand dollars a month and maybe the stories i told you were like kind of whack there are way worse things that have happened to girls in the industry of course so much worse i can't even imagine and i think like again just you don't hear about it as much if they're not because you'll hear about it later right you'll be like oh this person was a streamer this person was an influencer and then you didn't like realize like

oh, why didn't anyone help them? You know what I mean? Or like you hear about it and you're like, oh, that sucks. And then you move on with your day. No one cares to actually do anything or change anything. Yeah, I guess I would hope that they would just like talk and share the story because that's one thing about social media. If you like talk and put it out there, at least people are aware. And I feel like that's the only thing you can really do, honestly, because –

No one's doing anything about it, but hopefully that'll like change soon. And I love that you are such an advocate and your voice for all this stuff. I think that's like so important. I think it's like amazing. I do it again. Yeah. It's not always easy. People get mad at you the more opinions you have. That's true. But you got to keep speaking them. You know what I mean? But yeah. I know I go back and forth too. I'm like, I don't want to get canceled at the same time. I'm like, but I have something to say. I need to say something. Yes. Yes.

But you're a martial artist. You did martial arts. Did I? Right? That's what I read. Someone said you did. I think I showed like a video. Wait, really? I thought you did it in school. I saw it on the thing. I was like, okay, martial artist over here. It says you're a martial artist and cosplayer. Oh, I just do that stuff for like videos for fun. Okay. I don't even cosplay that much. Just sometimes. You just cosplayed recently, didn't you? I did one in Texas. I didn't know who it was, but I loved it. It was so good. Thank you. Is it like a comic book or? It's a new video game character. Video game. They were both video game characters. Yeah. I want to do more video game cosplays. You would? Yeah.

But they're not like cute. No offense to the Fortnite skins, but I just don't think there's like any cute ones to cosplay. Not Fortnite. Who would I? I don't know. I liked whatever you were. Genshin Impact. They have the craziest. What is it? Genshin Impact? Yes. Genshin Impact. They have the craziest outfits. Valorant is pretty cool too. That was the other game that I did. There's so many more. If anything, you should do anime cosplays. Oh, I want to get into anime, but that's different than hentai, right? That's not the same thing. Someone painted me as hentai and I'm like, I don't know if I want this. You're so funny.

Basically, hentai just means like porn anime. Okay. Because I thought it was anime. Someone's like, I drew this anime and I was all just like. Naked. Yeah. I was like, oh, I don't know. That's not anime. That's hentai. That's what people were saying. And I was like, what's hentai? Okay. So this is different. What's anime? What's the difference? So they're clothed. Yes. And it's just like a TV show. Like, you know. Like Sailor Moon or something. Yes. That's the only one I know. Yes. What other ones? What other ones are you into? There's so many. Oh, my God.

I'm trying to think of something that you would do really well. There's a cute like cat one called like Mew Mew Powers. Mew Mew Powers? I think you should really do like a girly pop anime or maybe like Jojo or like One Piece. I don't know. I need to find all the pictures and put them up. You know Meg the Stallion? Yes. Have you seen her cosplay? No.

She does anime? She does so many. Really? She's so good at it. Yeah. Oh, I have not seen any of them. So there's a term for people who are like really into anime. They call them weebs. I love that. Oh my god, weebs. She's a huge weeb. Really? She really watches anime. Oh my gosh. I would die for her.

Oh, okay. You love. There are probably so many like cute, like blonde anime characters. I need to get into it. Yeah. I could send you some. Is it all in Japanese? There's subtitles. Okay. Okay. I have bad eyes, so I can't read subtitles. Sometimes it's dubbed, so it could be in English. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Don't worry. I mean, I love like the Japanese language because I want to go to Japan, but I love the whole culture of it, but I haven't gotten into it. I need to watch it for sure. Dove. Okay. It's just like it's in English. It's like watching any show. So you watch it? Yeah.

Okay. You don't do any Japanese or speak any of that? No. I would see girls that are like... Konnichiwa, that's it. Oh, that's cute. Just say a little hello. Sometimes I see girls like do a little... Sorry. That's it. I went to Japan a couple times. I mean, you just learn like hello and sorry. Excuse me. Oh, okay. What did you go for? With YouTube or something or just for fun? I went with some streamer friends once. We streamed a little bit. And then another time I went for like a sponsorship.

Yeah. Who were you with? It was a video game. Like a horror game. So cool. In Japan. And there was this big convention and we were just like there playing the game and talking about it and stuff. Oh my God. That's like a dream. It was so fun. Did you go to like Disney or anything over there? No, sadly. But the food there is... Are you like a sushi person? Is that what they have? Like sushi? Yeah.

I like sushi jj. I feel like I would go like there. That's so interesting about you. I didn't know because of all my research, I wasn't like, oh, this is a foodie girl right here. I'm going to post more food content, I think. I love that. I'd be eating. What's your 20% that you like binge on? Not binge on, but like- I've been eating a lot of Korean food. Tteokbokki. They have a really good fried chicken, actually. Oh my God. Yes. We go to Koreatown just to get the fried chicken. We both used to live over there and I'm just like, they're fried chicken. Do you know BBQ Chicken? BBQ Chicken?

to try this. Is it good? Because it's a chain, right? BBQ chicken is so good. There's one in Northridge by actually my, like the two hot dogs, the two hands. Please, BBQ chicken. It's crispy. I have been a fried chicken fanatic since high school. Like,

actually the guy who asked me to prom he put the prom tickets in a kfc bucket and asked me and it was like do you want to go to kfc too like literally since high school so when i tell you bbq chicken like it shocked me how good it was just the original but they have so many fun flavors like cheesy fried wings like they have so so so much i'm gonna go there like right after this i swear please because there's one like 20 minutes from us yeah and they have um

like really good fried rice and tteokbokki have you had that what is that no rice cakes the rice cakes what is what is it no you haven't had no is it like long or is it like circle yeah it's like it's like this honestly it's like a finger but it's like carb and what's in it like rice right in the form of a cake it's almost like a potato ish it's like a carby chewy thing that you eat they have um they have like plates of it there with like spicy sauce and

Oh my God. You're going to make me one. I like, that sounds so good. Honestly. Yeah. We have to do one. Someday if I'm ever pregnant. Oh, I'm going to post a crazy craving series.

Today, I'm craving literally everything I just listed. I've been talking about this barbecue, the BBQ chicken place for so long. I want to go. Yeah. It's right next to a Korean fried cheese place in the valley. It's been kind of my recent obsession. It's so good. But yeah, Koreatown has like really good fried chicken. We've gone to like the mall and they have like really good fried. It's like my weakness for sure. Have you been to Babbel? No, where's that? It's an arts district. Okay. It's just like my favorite restaurant to recommend to people. It's a Middle Eastern spot. It's really good. Have you been to Babbel over there, babe? Yeah.

You need to get a reservation. It's like booked up, but it would be such a great date night. What kind of Middle Eastern food is it? They have like kebabs. They have like a lot of lamb dishes. They just have...

That's one of my favorite things to cook is lamb. They have really good hummus and like the fluffiest pita bread you'll ever have in your life. That's like my weakness. Pita bread is definitely my weakness. Oh my gosh. You're just going to adore it. Those two places. I love that you know all this like food insight. I do. I'm like, maybe I need to make videos of that. Food blogger for real. Yeah. I'm down. I love it. And so do you mostly eat out or do you cook too? I actually have a friend who, she's like a fitness influencer kind of, and she has a whole like meal prep service. So that's where the 80% is. I see. So you're doing that. Like a lot of the meals I eat are like

organic, not inflammatory foods, gluten-free kind of like meal prep already made for me. So when I want to go out with friends or treat myself a little, I can because I know everything I make at home is either that or

or I make my own like breakfasts and stuff. Yeah. So most of my food is that. Oh, that's amazing. The meal prep thing, that should be your next foray too. Like do you collab with your friend because meal preps are so hard to find good ones that are like actually tasty and stuff, you know. Usually they're just like boring or whatever or not enough food. Yeah. I think it's like Weight Watchers where the food is just like not enough.

Yeah, it's like... Have you ever thought about acting or anything like that? Because you did do Free Guy. Which, by the way, would you ad-lib that or was that a script? Both, kind of. They made me read the script lines and they were like, okay, but how would you say it to... So, a bit of both. I actually never really thought about acting. Really? Have you ever? Oh, I mean, that's my dream. I don't act. I've never acted, but I would love to. I would love to just be in a movie. That's when I saw you in Free Guy. I was like, oh, I'm so... Or in Finance at Freddy's, there was a bunch of gamers in there, too. And I was just like...

I want to be, maybe I need to go into gaming because all the gamers get to be in these movies. I actually really appreciate that they like include us because I'm like, oh, you guys like actually care. You could have used some random actor or something. Yeah. But you're like recognizable. And so when. I feel like it's cool for both of us. Hopefully. I don't know. No, for sure. I think you were the only girl in there. Right. In the. Yeah, that was so cool. They had you be like, he's so cute. I love that. And he was. Yes.

He was. We watched that movie. I had no idea what it was about. I went in and I'm like, what is this? But it was good. It was a good movie. I'm surprised. Sometimes gaming movies can be so cringe. So I was glad this one was actually pretty good. Interesting plot kind of thing. But yeah, acting is obviously just so cool. I feel like...

I admire the art so much that I'm like, I can't do that. You know what I mean? Oh, really? I just feel like, but you did it. You're in a movie. Like, that's like the goal. That's a cameo, you know? Like, I'm just being me. Girl, I would die for that cameo. I was like, wow, you were like in a movie in theaters. Do you have an agency? Now I do, but it's taken like 18 years to get. Literally how? But I told them. I was just like, yeah, I would do free guy cameo, you know, whatever it takes. No, agencies, like it's great because they usually have like a movie department. Are you with someone?

I'm with UTA. Okay. Oh, that's huge. Because you're so recognizable. You just tell them like, I would be down. So what do you- And hopefully they should get that opportunity for you. Yeah. I mean, I'm definitely going to tell them now, but what do you tell your agents? Like, what do you mostly focus on with them? I think nowadays, I mean, like every year or two, I'm like something new, something new. Wow. Yeah. Now I'm like maybe some voiceover, some podcast stuff. Like it would be so cool to do something like that. Voiceover would be so good for you because- Especially after the-

Yes. And your voice goes so many. I always see the TikTok trend now too. They're like, I'm a voice actor. And they do like the line. And I was like, wow, so cool. And they do a lot of anime. And that's why I was like, oh my God, that would be like so perfect for you. It would be so cool. So that's very much. And that's like also something that's like low key. I feel right. Like, yeah.

You don't have to be you. You know, you don't have to be this full like presentation. But I think really I just like do a new shit. Yeah. What's next? What's new? I know. I want to know. I want to know all the what's next for you. But it sounds like you have so much of your hands full. Are there going to be more cookies? We've been in the works for some stuff. I think for me it's very much. Yeah, yeah. Snacks, snacks, snacks. Different kinds.

Ooh, maybe make some like healthy Rice Krispies. That's what I want. I love Rice Krispies. Oh, thank you for the recommendation. Yes. And like mine has so much butter and marshmallow. I feel like I'm going to have a heart attack after eating them. So. I like it. And especially because the only other kind of Rice Krispies are like the super plain ones. Yeah. Like the rice. Yeah.

I don't know. No, there's like a healthy one that Jaclyn Hill talked about. I was like, this is not it. It's not. Yeah. I'm telling you, like in LA, there are so many like healthy snacks. They all taste terrible. They do. They taste like actual cardboard. This is really satisfying my craving. Not at all. Right. That's like tricks your brain. It sucks. But anyways, yeah, Mina has been in the works with some stuff. I think I'm just trying to figure out like,

do I want to do, do I want to do more business, like being the face of something or do I just kind of want to make content? Cause really when I launched it, I learned like the liability that is being the face of something. Oh, so you maybe would do it anonymously or something. Maybe anonymously.

I don't know. But I feel like I bought these cookies because they're pokey cookies. So I was like, anything you, you know what I mean? I know what you mean about being the liability of it all. But I do think there's something to be said that people just love you and will support you no matter what. Like that, it really like touched my heart so much. Like seeing everything that happened, but seeing people still buy it. And I'm, you know, maybe some of them are just really curious. Yeah. But regardless, I'm like, oh, people still really support me.

I think more than ever, right? You see someone go down for like nothing that crazy and you're just like, no, it's time to support even more, you know? Or even like, well, I'm curious. I'm like, please. Because like I would not be affiliated with something that really I did not think was worth it. So...

I knew. And you were like, you had a good time for them, right? Yeah, try them because they're actually good. And I just thought the whole thing was just amazing. And you're just so smart and genius at marketing and everything. And I just can't wait to see it all. And with the podcast, now you're expanding. You said you might be doing more guests, more like deep dives into you. Right now it's only on Spotify, but I'm like, maybe time for YouTube.

Oh, I saw video clips. Guests or co-hosts or something. Yeah. People are just re-uploading it. Yeah. I primarily just upload on Spotify. Oh, so the video's on Spotify. Yes. Okay. The video and the audio is on Spotify. But does the... Don't tell anyone, do they have a TikTok, right? Yeah.

Yeah. So they're posting. I think there's a TikTok like with just clips, but mainly it's like Instagram and Spotify. Instagram and Spotify. Cause that's the one I saw where you had your hair up in these cute little buns. And I was like, I'm doing pokey buns. That was like so cute. You look so cute. I was trying to figure out, I was like, let me see what's like the vibe. And then you came in looking so good. You look like gossip girl right here. You look so amazing. You look good. Like I'm just, I feel like in awe seeing you.

- You're so crazy. - 'Cause I've been like seeing you online for so long and dude, ever since even like the music video you were in years ago. - Oh my gosh. - Like, I don't know if you realize like how pretty you are. - Definitely not. I always hate myself, but thank you. - Please know like you are so genetically blessed. - Oh my gosh, you're so sweet. - You have like the face of a star.

I'm not kidding. I don't think I've ever been hyped up as much as you're hyping me up, but thank you. I am not kidding. Like, yes, you have the personality of a star, but you also have, like, the face and the look of a star. Oh, my God, girl. You're going to make me cry. Me being nine months is, like, rad. I'm like, oh, I feel like a monster. No, sweetie. You could never. Just because, like, literally here. Oh, my gosh. Your face card will never decline. That's my favorite. Even when you were younger. Like, I love seeing, like, the music video clip of you. Oh, my gosh. And, of course, I've seen...

literally like all of your eras you wrote such a great storyline and i'm happy that i got to follow it for so many years you know well thank you i love it i got a happy ending i can't wait to watch your whole storyline you deserve you really deserve your flowers thank you all the compliments oh my god you're literally the sweetest and you're just glowing and beautiful and everything you know i only say what i mean though like i know and i feel it take it to heart oh i feel it

So like you said, in my chest. I feel it in my bones and everything. And I really do hope to like see you again and to see where you go. Thank you.

I'll be there. Like, I would love, like, take me under your arms. Tell me what to do. Like, legit. Yes. Yes. Anything you want. Especially because, like, I just love the girlies. I love your audience. Yeah. And, like, I watch you. I watch everyone you bring on. Like, I watch all of that content. You've always been supportive. But, like, it's like I love you guys from afar. I'm like, I'm in my little gaming bubble. But we're here now. We're gaming. Yes.

gaming bubble but now you're way more than a gaming bubble. Thank you. You're out there. Please go subscribe everywhere. Go watch her on Spotify. Thank you guys so much for watching. Her gaming, her Twitch. You're like an icon and a trailblazer and you'll even see that 10 years from now. People will be like look back on you and be like damn this girl had a journey and we were all witnessing it and it's really fun to see so enjoy the journey. I hope you guys were entertained. Yay! You guys are the one and only PokeMom, PokeMane, PokeEmon. We love you. I appreciate you so much. Thank you.