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I'm Anastasia Nicolazzi, former New York City homicide prosecutor and host of Investigation Discovery's True Conviction. And this is Anatomy of Murder. So today's case took me through some real emotional peaks and valleys. It involves a community which rallied behind a family dealing with the unthinkable at the hands of what I can only describe as pure evil.

And just a word of caution, all these cases are difficult to hear for different reasons, but this one involves children and also sexual assault. And for some, that might just be too difficult to hear. So just letting you know beforehand, because here we go. The family was Vicki and Ricky Jones, and they are the parents of Cora Jones. The Jones family lived in the countryside of northwest Wisconsin.

A pretty tight-knit community. I mean, there was a lot of kids and the river runs right through there and they play in the river and had a little store there and it was a pretty fun place to be a kid.

They had two children, Cora Jones, who was 12, and she had a little brother. If I remember correctly, he was about two years younger than she was. When our kids were small, we had a lot of different animals. You know, in the winter, they could have snow for us. They had a lot of stuff to do out here. And Cora was just a joy to be around. She really wanted to hunt, but she was a little uncertain about killing a deer. That would all come to an end when she saw one, I'm sure. She was an excellent shot.

Cora was a young girl who, like many young girls, she loved talking on the phone. Now, this is the days before cell phones, but they still had phones and she loved to chat. She loved her friends and talking on the phone and, you know, having kids spend the night. But life had not always been so idyllic and easy for Cora. From the time she was very young, she had some very serious medical conditions.

And then they went in and took one of her kidneys out. So she was in the hospital, total of two big surgeries for a little three-year-old. And she was this little tiny girl in this great big bed, and she had tubes coming out of her. And then they tried to sit by her and...

And she had multiple serious surgeries that basically meant that while they could help her, she had to be on daily medication for the rest of her life. So as an idyllic of a setting the Jones family lived in, Cora herself did have a recurring fear. The fear of being kidnapped.

Now, years earlier, not too far away, a 10-year-old girl was kidnapped right off the street. Her name was Ronnie Eichet. It was on August 23, 1992, when her body was found about a month later. She was 10, and so was this girl, 10. And Cora watched that on TV. She came home from school, was out in the basement. She came down there and she goes, Mom, what would I ever do if somebody grabbed me? I mean, she just feared something was going to happen to her like that.

Let's just go sideways for a minute because there's this interesting theory out there that people talk about, which plays in here but actually turns it on its head. It's called the third person effect. And basically that when many people view media coverage of various incidents, traumatic incidents, it very much becomes interesting.

It's that person or those people, not me. So people either view the news reports, the media coverage on these horrible traumatic events one of two ways, either with that third person effect hat on or like Cora, sometimes over-internalizing it. And it really gets into their brain and not only the horror of what happened to that person or people being discussed, but they start to worry about, could this be me?

She was just fascinated watching that. It was just, it was her age and she was just so amazed how something like that could happen. It was just unbelievable. You know, she wanted to watch it. When she was really small, she loved watching Winnie the Pooh. And it was called Two Smart Strangers. If it was up to her, we would have watched it every night before she went to sleep. I mean, that's how much she liked watching it.

And that takes us to the events of Labor Day, September 5th, 1994. While Cora's mom had left work, Cora had told her grandmother she was just going to take a ride on her bike down to Sanders Bridge, which was just down the road, to go meet a boy that she had recently made friends with. Her brother was at his cousin's house and Cora was at grandma's house. It was Labor Day and the kids had to go back to school the next day and we both had to go back to work on Tuesday.

Now, when she didn't return on time, the family began to get really worried. Cora's grandmother reached out to Cora's mom, and Cora's mom remembers that phone call like it was yesterday.

My mother-in-law called and said to my sister-in-law that Cora hasn't been around for a couple hours. Then I hurried and went over there. When I got to Grandma's house, Grandma said that she took the bike, then Cora went down to the bridge just down the road a little ways because there was a 13-year-old boy that was fishing down there and they started liking each other.

But her mom didn't think much about it other than, where has that girl gotten off to? And as soon as she got to the grandmother's house, all she could think about is, I got to go get Rick, my husband, Cora's father. Yeah, I mean, my husband was on our hunting land, so all I could think about was getting Rick up there because I thought, well, he'll find her. Vicki came and got me when it was going on. And my first thought was that she had gotten on an inner tube and pulled it down the river like kids always do.

So they did have a starting point. They knew she was meeting this young boy, Sanders Bridge. So the search area really was the blocks in the streets around where the bridge was. But no Cora. Cora would never, ever just leave her bike laying in the middle of the road.

And that began an incredible effort, a family search, which included cousins, neighbors, and that grew and grew throughout the hours of their search in the area. Let's flash back now to the disappearance two years before of young Ronnell.

Because when now Cora's family heard this, obviously there's going to be flares going up because they found her bike, but no Cora. But Ronnell, two years before, when she disappeared, one, it was only 45 miles away. And secondly, when Ronnell was kidnapped, she was riding her bike.

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So now Cora's parents knew this was the time to reach out to police, and that would be the Wapaka Sheriff's Department. And investigators quickly arrived and began working the case.

Cora was last seen wearing pink shorts, a pink top, and a fluorescent green jacket. That's not the kind of items that would be difficult to find in an all-out search.

They said they didn't want the family to help search, but, well, guess what? We searched until dark. There was just tons of people there. I think from that point on, she became everybody's little girl. I have to tell you, Anastika, my first thoughts here was an abduction. Bicycle on the road, no young girl, yeah. And by that time, by the time it got dark, didn't find anything. But they did not stop searching.

And it was much more than just Cora's family searching. I mean, at this point, they have searched parties of up to 100 people, to the point that it was almost difficult to manage. That was probably the worst thing that ever could have happened to us if we had to get in our cars and drive away.

Police didn't want Rick to cooperate with the search. And that's very often how it is. And they're trying to protect the investigation. They don't know where this is going to go. They want to make sure that if there's anything of evidentiary value or if there's any trouble encountered along the way, that it isn't going to be the family that is anyone to find it or to potentially be accused of contaminating the scene. And so that's where their head is. But obviously, Rick, the father,

He couldn't stop himself from looking. It's not a good feeling, and it was hard to rest. So I'd go out with one group, and when I come back in, I'd change my shirt and my hat and go out with a different group. I don't want anybody trying to stop me. I don't know how you feel about it, but I mean, I'm the prosecutor, right? And yet I totally get it that he cannot be sitting home while his daughter is missing. He needs to be out there searching. And I think...

For myself, if it's any family member or friend, I would have a tough time following that directive too. Yet from the other side, the law enforcement prosecutor's perspective, that's the directive I'm giving. But I get it both ways. You know, Anna Seeker, for families, it's always the search for a loved one. It's that way for law enforcement too, but it's also a rescue and recovery mission until it's not. The governor, he provided any resource we needed. He even sent his helicopter up. I was up in the helicopter flying around with him.

That shows the incredible amount of cooperation between the family and law enforcement trying to look for Cora. And Anastasia, as you know, there was more than just her being missing. Time was not on her side. Whether you are in a small town or a big city, people do band together. And it really brought out the best of everyone here. And I think I remember that week the most is just...

So many people, because our little area, nothing like that ever happens around here. They just didn't do enough to do with everybody. And there was so many people and companies bringing food. And there was just trucks backed up to the door, just bringing in food. And it's just unbelievable.

The community reacted by embracing this family. Volunteers were sending in food to feed this search party, which was now up over 100 people. You have Rick out there changing clothes. You have strangers. They are all out there for one reason and one reason alone. That is to try to find this little girl. As Cora's family was told by law enforcement, the longer time goes, the more concerns are being raised about her well-being.

not only from the situation of potentially being abducted, but as we mentioned earlier, she was on daily medication. This was life-saving medication that she needed, and that was the extra pressure on everybody to find Cora. But by about that time, I think we were kind of realizing that she was gone. Just hope for the best, get ready for the worst.

And beyond the physical search, they stepped it up by using what we so often see on TV, which is the media. Well, then when the media got a hold of it, it was just unbelievable. Vicki, that was her job. She wasn't out doing the search, but her job was to stay there managing and manning the mic, so to speak. I never thought I could do something like that. But when something like that happens, all I could think about was to try to find her.

Every moment she could get on air to ask people to help to find her little girl, they tried to make sure it was on every major news outlet that maybe someone would have seen something, could say something. It was the top story every day. They kept telling us to try to have a story every day to try to keep Coral on the first thing of the news because that's when everybody would see advertising what was coming up.

And, you know, Scott, looking at your former journalist days, how vital is it for in a case like this for it to remain the lead story?

I see it important and beneficial on two fronts, and here's why. This is an active search. The more people that know she's missing, even outside of the local community, the better. Having the family make the plea is really a way to step up the amount of coverage and the potential the story can be picked up statewide or even nationally. Now, on the investigative side...

I've covered cases where someone was just driving through the community or visiting on the day that someone went missing, only to realize that they may have important information after seeing a story later on on the news back when they get home.

There was a big plane crash that was taking her out of the top story. So our governor, who was Tommy Thompson at the time, invited us to come down to Madison on a Sunday. So they figured that was going to put her back up in the top story. There were so many TV cameras around, I was really concerned that I didn't want too much information. I wanted them to spend their time trying to find her.

Now, I realize I'm wearing sort of two hats here, right? I mean, clearly a former member of law enforcement and clearly a journalist whose responsibility is to get information out to the public. But I think it's a delicate balance to be able to make sure that messages were getting out without giving out too much material that could affect a trial down the road. And

And that is why I think on all fronts, law enforcement and prosecutors alike, this is exactly the type of case that you not only are okay with media attention, you welcome it. Hopefully this is a search and rescue and you always have to bet on the person being a survivor. You need to get it out there because it is all hands on deck to try to, in this case, find a missing child.

So Cora goes missing on a Monday, and that following Saturday at 8 o'clock at night, Cora was featured on the national show America's Most Wanted. Because at the end of that show years ago, then they show the kids that were kidnapped. So in the middle of the week, I talked to somebody from Altair. We had one video that we went to Disney with her to Florida in March.

After America's Most Wanted, Rick and Vicki are sitting there at their home. They now hear cars pull up in front of their door. So we knew something was going to happen.

And they're excited. Is their daughter with them? Did this show bring them the news they were hoping? Did it give them the answer? Did it bring them back their little girl? But when we seen two of our ministers walking in front of the cops, we knew what they were going to tell us.

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I have to break in here for a moment because I don't want anyone kind of turning their head sideways when they hear Rick saying that he felt some relief getting this news. Because, you know, I always feel so protective of the victim's family because there is no one-size-fits-all for how people feel. But just think about what he's really saying for a second.

Of course, this is the very worst news he could ever hear. I'm sure it was the very worst feeling imaginable in the world. But at that moment, he knew that there was nobody hurting his little girl anymore. And isn't that the thing that would give any parent, any human, any person some sense of relief? Detective Ben Baker would be the detective who would go to the scene and start processing it as a crime scene.

He found the body of a young female, naked, her hands bound behind her back, and the bind used was a cut-off piece of a pink T-shirt and a black strap around her neck. And it appeared that there had been a sexual assault. I think they would have given us any information we asked for.

During the autopsy, they discovered that she had some bruising to parts of her body. Cause of death would be from the multiple stab wounds they found. But right away, they started to look deeper.

at similarities, similarities between how Cora was found and now going back again to two years before to Ronnell's case. Both young girls, both riding bikes, relatively alone, discarded in the woods. And even though they're two years apart,

what other abductions could be related. A sexual predator normally doesn't stop until they're caught or they die. For law enforcement, this is a sign that these cases could be connected and there could be more. And as they started to look at whether these were connected, they started to tug on that rope and they found out another. In July, two months before Cora was abducted, a woman had called the police.

She'd been riding her bike. A man asked her for directions. He drove away. But then he came back and he hit her with his car.

She fell into a ditch, the man got out, and he approached her with a gun. And it was only when another car approached that this guy, the guy with the gun, fled. This woman was 24 years old.

In this assault, police suspect that the victim was approached from behind. And the fact that her hair was back in a ponytail, the assailant may have thought she was a lot younger than she actually was. She eventually came up with a good enough description. They got a good illustration of him. She said he was in his 50s, had a scruffy mustache, not a lot of hair. And her description was detailed enough that they were able to come up with a composite sketch. They had to be careful about releasing these illustrations and stuff.

It was almost like a lynch mob mentality. I was afraid that there was going to be two or three people coming in and saying, "Hey, we hung the guy." I was always afraid somebody wrong was going to get hurt.

A living witness on a Seega, as you know, is such a valuable piece of intelligence, is to be able to describe, you know, the method of approach, of what the person said, what they looked like, what they were driving. I mean, this is critical information that could connect these two cases. Most importantly, she was able to describe his car. Going back to about the 80s or the 90s, it was a maroon sedan.

Police are looking for anyone that can give them assistance. They're going to other precincts to compare other cases, to see if there are other rapists, kidnappers, murderers in the area that just might fit some sort of a match. We told everybody, anything you can think of,

Call it in. Because there might be something that's connected that we don't realize is connected. You had an attempted assault and you had a homicide. And police were anxious in Appleton to share their information with Wapaka. And when they speak with the Appleton Police Department, they learned that there had been a recent string of burglaries, sexual assaults. And the description of the perpetrator in that case matches their sketch. And one more detail...

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Join us for new episodes of Crime Junkie every Monday. Already waiting for you by searching for Crime Junkie wherever you listen to podcasts. So at this point, police knew there was a race against time to find the person responsible for Cora Jones's murder.

On November 14th, 1994, more than two months after her murder, police officers responded to a report of a peeping Tom in the nearby town of Appleton. When police arrived, the homeowner had a 50-year-old man in a headlock after he caught him watching his wife through the window. The man being held for police was David Spanbauer, and his criminal history would answer so many unanswered questions.

So two things to note about this guy who's now just been arrested as a peeping Tom, this David Spanbauer. One, in his 50s, scruffy mustache, not a lot of hair. And what does he drive? A maroon car.

But now let's go back in time and look at his record a little bit. While you can't use that in court because that would be propensity, because someone has committed a crime in the past doesn't mean they committed this one. You have to prove each crime based on the evidence in and of itself. But when we look at this guy, as far back as 1959, after being dishonorably discharged from the Navy, he had been in and out of prison.

Police are looking at this, and right away they're honing in. They just might have got their man.

So when police brought Spanbauer in and began to ask him questions about incidents within the area, Spanbauer was very upfront and willing to discuss his alleged crimes. The following will be a recorded statement from Mr. David Spanbauer on Monday, November 21st, 1994.

We have the interview with David Spanbauer, and you'll hear portions of it. And just one thing to note, you know, people sometimes talk about sound quality of these things, but these are the actual real audios being taken for evidentiary purposes. So they may not sound as high quality as when you're recording a podcast, for example, but that is because if they're less than ideal, it is real time as the evidence is unfolding. And that is what you're getting the peek into. Are you responsible for any homicides in the city of Appleton? Yes.

And of his statement to police, the most detail was given in a back-and-forth with the detective, Detective Baker, about Cora Jones. He made her get out. She was bound. Walked her down into a ditch.

Could you show me where the stab wound went? Chest and stomach area. Chest and stomach area. Okay. He told investigators that he tore a part of her shirt and used it to tie her hands. And despite attempts to strangle her, she fought back, which is heartbreaking. I'm just going to say this, is as many people

Interviews that we've done with suspects or with victims or families of victims, these confessions never get easy. I think it's fair to say, you know, having been involved and heard countless of these at this point, it just, it always stops me in my tracks because we're talking about people while, yes, it's for evidence and you're building cases.

He's talking about a young girl in this case, and he's talking about other victims too. And I've never been able to wrap my head around that. And I know, Scott, you and just so many others, probably everyone out there listening to this feels the same, that, you know, how people are capable. And when you listen to him, it is so matter-of-fact. And that is the thing that probably always hurts me the most. You know, he took everything from Cora, her life, and all her love from her family. But for him, it's just matter-of-fact information.

here's what I did. What do you want to ask me next? When did you decide she had to die? You know, hearing Detective Baker ask him, when did you decide you had to kill her? Because remember, he hadn't killed many of his other victims before. And hearing this guy say, as soon as he saw her, it just, it added a different level of, you know, that pit you feel in your stomach because it's just so happenstance. You know, he had...

blindfolded some of his victims. He hadn't worried about whether he would be seen. But to him, he didn't want to go back to jail. And the easy fix for that to him was to take this 12-year-old's life. Well, he had been in prison two times before. And if he was originally served half of his first sentence, he would have still been in prison and we'd still have our girls. But they just kept letting him out early.

Scott, talking about this statement a bit, because so many people always say, well, why do people talk to the police? I think somebody like Spambauer gets to the end of the road and realizes it is the end of the road for him personally.

And just really, in a sense, thinks maybe there's somebody somewhere that will understand his way of thinking or will forgive his actions. And if there's a higher power that does that, then that's what it is. But I think at a certain point, there's a lot of people within his position that do want to

get it off their chest and do want to be able to feel like the end of the road is there for them and they no longer have to run. I think it's just that, as you said, Scott, it's the end of the road. But so he's just kind of like, all right, I'll tell you what you want to know. But there was so much he wasn't willing to talk about. He didn't want to answer any of the questions about the whys, which to me would go for someone who was looking for forgiveness or was trying to bear their soul. This is a guy who...

about nothing and no one to have done the horrific crimes that he did. But he knows he's done. He knows he's going back to prison. And this time he's not going to get out. So sure, you need me to prove it to you? Sure, it really was. I mean, is there a part of him that almost is reliving it at the moment and proud of it and just wanting to make sure they believe that it's him? Maybe. Two seconds after it picked her up, I wanted to learn.

For investigators, it wasn't the end of the road. They still wanted to dig deeper and make sure that they could confirm that what he was saying was true. So they started to dig into the forensics. So when it comes to actual physical evidence, in my hands I have a copy of the FBI's report, which directly connects Spambauer with Cora Jones's murder.

The report talks about specific physical evidence that was located. It talks about vacuum sweepings. It talks about that black strap that was found near her body. It also talks about the pink strip of cloth that was used to bind her hands. That was a direct forensic connection to Spanbauer.

I mean, they had him not only through a confession at a SIGA, but they had him with solid forensic evidence. And you always want that. There is no such thing as too much evidence. And, you know, someone might say, well, he's already confessed. Well, I can't tell you how many times I've gone into the courtroom and now that confession...

Well, the defendant is trying to take it back. They are recanting it. They're saying that, well, the police told me what to say or they made me say it or I just made it up. And while in my experience that is most often not true, we do know those things have happened and a jury knows that too. And so you want to protect against that to show that, well, we have matched up what this person says perfectly.

specifically some of the things that were never released to the media, which is exactly what, by the way, Detective Baker did during this interview. He made sure to get details from Spanbauer, asked him questions about things that had never been released. And that is so important because the jury needs to be, and they should be, absolutely sure that not only is this the person who's saying they committed the crime, but it actually is the person who is.

But let's talk about the way that the family found out and what they were told about the arrest. I was at work and I came back on my lunch break and the office girl was standing outside by the back door and she said, I just want you to know they think they might have found the guy that killed Cora. So that's how I found out. So then, of course, some of the media that we got to know personally knew where I worked. So then they started calling me.

And so now while everyone's gearing up for a trial and getting very ready, the case ultimately did not go to trial. David Spambauer pled guilty.

As part of his plea deal, he admitted to much more than Cora Jones' homicide. He admitted also to the murder of Rennell and many other crimes as well. The first time we went to court was Cora's 13th birthday. It was the first time we'd ever seen it.

Before he was sentenced, family members were given the opportunity to give their victim impact statements to tell this man in the courtroom and more importantly, the public and the judge who was just about to sentence everything that this man had ripped from their lives.

Rick and I sat down and wrote down what we wanted to say, and Rick, during his sentencing, got to say how we felt. So that was good. And some of my family and our family talked. Put him away forever, so he could never hurt anybody again. And I think just trying to get through to his head what he did to these girls. And we just wanted them to feel a little guilty, but it was nothing. He didn't think he did anything wrong.

And the judge, after hearing that, he sentenced David Spambauer to three lifetime sentences and 403 years. You know, Anastasia, in my brain, I have a space which is designated as pure evil. People that...

We've done stories about people that I've come in contact with in my law enforcement career and as a career as an investigative reporter. And David Spanbauer is absolutely on that top 10 list. When the judge sentenced Spanbauer, he reserved some harsh words for that defendant. He said, I don't know what cesspool in hell you crawled out of, but the legislature won't let me send you back there. Clearly he would have given him the death penalty, I think.

I wrote a letter to him and sent it to him because it just made me feel better. Because I said, I, you know, hope you never go to sleep again and ever have peace. And I hope your conscience kills you. I can't even imagine being able to close your eyes is what I said. How do you even live with yourself after what you did? David Spanbauer went to prison. He died in prison at 61 years old in 2002. It's a very strange feeling. Sit back and let out a sigh and

Well, it's over. And now we pick up the pieces and go on. You know, as a toddler, Cora overcame so many medical challenges, nearly losing her life during a kidney surgery. And while in the back of her mind, the kidnapping of another young girl gave her a reason to be fearful. And even though she needed daily life-saving medication, she really loved life, her friends, and most importantly, her family.

None of us ever think something that bad is going to happen to you. So, I mean, everybody just lets their guard down because you really don't ever think it's going to happen to you. We take life for granted. We do every day. We just get up, went to work, and our kids went to school. You know, don't know how much you can appreciate what you got until somebody's gone. When I think about Cora Jones, Ronell, and David Spanbauer's many other victims...

The big thing that I come out with is I just wish that we could find a way to protect the Koras and the Ronells from people just like him. Tune in next Wednesday when we'll dissect another new case on Anatomy of Murder. Anatomy of Murder is an AudioChuck original, a Weinberger Media and Forseti Media production. Sumit David is executive producer.

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