MBW 944: The Taste of Citrus, Caffeine, & Skateboards - iPad Mini 7, AirPods Pro, Apple Pay
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It's driver mac break weekly. Andy here, alex is here. Jason here. Jason has the new ipad mini, will get his review, will take a look at the problems facing a vision pro.

And the rumor is that apples having an event next week, all that coming up next next week, weekly. Podcasts you love from people you trust. This is twit.

This is this mac break weekly episode nine hundred forty four, recorded tuesday, october twenty second, twenty twenty four the taste of cross caffeine and skateboards. It's time for mac break weekly. The show we covered the latest apple news with the apple intelligencies.

They're all in the house today. Jason snow from six colors dot com. Good to see you, Jason.

Good to be here. I'm literally in my garage, so I am in the house, in the, in the house, in the back, in the true with house, the front, right, in the front, in the front .

yeah the modern houses, the garage seems to be a large portion of the overall frontage.

I wouldn't all my house modern. It's one thousand, nine hundred and fifties. But but it's it's here and i'm here and it's very nice to take this unused space turn more than a decade now into where .

I work so we can judge how long Jason has been in the garage by the state of the level lab, which is yet to start flowing.

I did not I only recently turned IT on. So it's not IT is still certified, don't worry, as a tip to the viewer, yes, but when we get later in the show, the bubbles will be bubbling back there. The chuckling coming .

from andy and oco, W. G, B, H, boston. Great to see you. andy. Glad they allowed you upstairs in the library today.

Great to be here. And also, if you, if you happen, be running like a national international trade set of a data center security. You can use jesson's level lamp as a random number. generous. Just make sure that he's actually in the garage because if it's one of those weeks where he's like at someone else's house and he's actually using a static backdrop yeah that's expect to feel day for hackers.

The random is not so random but hey.

free is free.

Yeah it's it's a very famous that .

good cloud flair .

has a lava lamp wall for generating its random numbers, which is actually really quite intelligent yeah I think is this .

sounds like a made up thing that would be done in some sort of like bond movie. Ah yes, well, the level, well, we use this set random ma generators to to secure the encryption on on the crowds, on the crowds holdings. Yes, you and everybody don't tell you every god, no, you just wanted have a wall that makes no sense. What's oh, wait, you actually got there from life OK.

I love that. Actually that's really cool. Also with this, I don't know he is a love l lap, but i'm guessing he might .

because he does have a heavy I had one of those when you put your hands on .

you and little Sparks work test IT.

IT is another books.

Stone is.

I got IT from my stones.

I bookstore and yeah I got aliexpress is probably the answer.

unfortunately but you do I just learned to be put metal stuff on the on the globe itself. IT looks like IT could be dangerous like it's like it's cute and it's in glass and you're and and I can move a lot more electricity. Them is White anymore .

so margera says its next week and mark germin implies there might even be an event. He says creators are going to be invited to an L A event wednesday of next week, which should be the twenty .

nights they they were just trying to figure out they called Justin in markets and just, we're like.

yeah, when can you come out .

when you get going to be home like.

like, be together, have a few .

laughs they did something similar.

They did up a creator event last year. New york. Remember the video. They had a video sort of like premier with the creators and then they've had a hands on area where they can shoot their videos with the new product. And that sounds like maybe, uh, they're doing some of that in L A. They may also do in new york, I honestly don't know, but it's part of a bigger strategy, obvious. Ly, he heard from somebody who got invited on wednesday and as he said on uh on twitter, um this puts an outside down on when they're gona announce IT right because IT they'll be doing in an event on wednesday with craters so dell announced by wednesday, right? We don't know necessarily it's there are tuesday, but it's common .

yeah apple inviting he writes media creators at different appoint at times throughout the day. On october thirty is in my town car to my town of L. A. They seemingly ly aren't bring a group together. Watch a keno video that's it's online only, as i've been indicating.

So they've done a few ways in new york. So IT will be interesting that they do have an outpost in L. A. now. So this might be a new .

thing for them to try out. This one of this, one of these like batman offices, like, or is is an actual apple office .

that's good place in L A, right? Because in new york they own a steadily daily weight mansion of their own daily win manner in tribeca. I don't know about L A and where they're doing that if they had a place or if they're putting a apple's building in cena.

Monica, what have A A lot of the larger companies have these of hidden like you're awareness, like open up a warehouse door and it's amazing. I in microsoft has one like in the lower part of simmo. I just gorgeous.

You know I don't know what what what might be doing in l but they definitely have that in new york.

They have it's two years ago, just looking at up insider, apple started building a massive TV and movie production facility in coverity.

Oh ah yeah yep.

So that's where I do IT right IT .

be IT depends on on on this. I think this is just brief ing and stuff um and the fact they're getting individual time slots, I think that smart, right? They're two ways they can do IT. They can get everybody together. But the problem then is you've got a big ganging of people together and they all want to shoot role and they all want to shoot stand up and they want to build their video presentation.

And so the other way you do IT is you stagger them by time and give them a space, which is, if I were a youtube creator, I would very much prefer to that to get my thirty minutes where I could shoot my video in a nice controlled space. And I know the last time I was in the apple to new york location, there was A A floor of that I didn't go to on the elevator, but the elevator stopped there. And IT was very clearly a set up where where careers could come in and shoot some of their their videos stuff with the new product.

So it's really smart. I think the question is what's the roll out? And is there A A video drop or or just a bunch press releases, which IT might IT might be? I be a little surprised if there weren't a high video of some sort because keep in mind, we're going to see the m 4 grow in the m for max， probably, which they love to boost about their chips and their chip performance.

But I mean, there is really interesting. There was a period of, like, I don't know, five bor ten years where I felt like every apple event was predetermined. You knew exactly what they were going to do.

And to the credit of the of the current regime, uh, they are mixing IT up there there. You can't really guess what apple is up to you. All you can do is listen to marker men who'll tell you exactly what they're up to.

So it's going to be a busy week as monday is when eight point eighteen point one comes out, right? For IOS. That's when the first triples of apple intelligence ounds like everything .

yeah they released final candidate and also released notes. So yeah.

that's pretty much a little deal. I'm actually installing the eighteen one beta now because i'm not all that interested in the apple intelligence, but this is the debut of the hearing aid feature, which i'm very interested. And we've start to see some reviews of IT on the virgin .

elsewhere. Yeah it's by Young people who have good hearing. So leo, I can't wait to hear here um what you think of IT is Sunny. What was is and unfortunately, i've said news to report.

I actually got the hearing test the other week and I can hear fine so I am not onna be a good tester of this thing is good news for me it's bad news for the world but but you, mr. Report who have your yeah, we have up so you have a prescription and all things. You're going to be able to actually tell .

us how how you only do moderate and not severe but moderate hearing loss. I also wear hearing aides. I have for about ten years audiologist prescribed hearing aides. So i'll be able these are seven thousand dollars for the pair. They're incredibly expensive and i'll be able to prepare them two hundred and fifty dollars.

And I the bigger the battery life on the seven thousand other version easily last all day.

I mean, it's not you these things, but they're really very different instruments. I mean, the airports are designed for listening to music, right? And so they're very different instruments.

The airports do have a microphone on them as, of course, hearing aides do. In fact, these options are virgin on the capabilities of the airports. Because I didn't answer the phone, listen to the color and speak to the collar all through these devices, but listen to a music on these is terrible. It's desire for the voice.

not for the. And not only that, realized that they are making the airpower s in the millions, or as they make hearing aides and like the tens of thousands of most of these economies of scale.

yeah I mean, I think they're gouging Price gouging someone. But yes, and insurance typically does not pay for some do, but medicare certainly doesn't and most insurance doesn't. So is at a pocket, which means a lot of people, maybe the majority of people who need hearing ags don't wear them. A lot of evidence that not wearing a hearing aid can cause cognitive impairment is certainly isolates you from the world. So this this is maybe the most important health and health initiative from apple ever because getting people to use these or at least they'll be a hearing test or at an eighteen point one the Chris welch reviewed on the verge said he's forty, doesn't have hearing was he's not .

a good well that yeah well .

that but he .

says he not like any other good band though yeah but that's IT.

I lost my hearing from rocket and roll. I can blame rock and roll for that. But the real question is how long will take before people think i'm not listening to them if i'm wearing airports? You know, with real hearing, age is very hard to see them. You have to look for them and know .

where they people get over IT though I think I think they mean you can explain yourself and say, I I know I can hear you. I am using this to hear.

Now we mocked people who wear airports .

at first that looks so dopy to have that little driver. I have often .

use the airpower ds specifically to communicate that I don't want to be talk to. I feel like this going to ruin everything, like I like they go on the battery, run out and I still put them back in because i'm like i'm walking down the year and so but yes, so this is going to a screw up, mute the water. We don't know what you're doing and why you're doing IT, but I do think IT also I think that there are there is a group of people.

I have some family members that i'm clear that they need hearing adds. They will not wear them because of the personal what they consider stigma of having them on. And so being able to put an airport in and just have one of those years in there or both, and being able to hear everybody and and IT becoming Normal, that everyone's got these in there, hear all that I think is a little lad.

But IT is the other thing is, is that there's what apples really doing that I think is interesting, is integrating all of these services. I kind of gone away from the airports pro, and I got them specifically because of the air, the air protection. I was just had a concert last week.

I was this told, what's rocket and barna lady's concert and we said, kind of halfway back and I look at IT like, I don't like the sound of the protection that I have. And IT wasn't as loud as some other concerts i've been to. And I didn't do IT, but after the show my years because my ears are kind of fragile and i'm going to spend up to three other box on something I want to make you go away.

And when I saw that these are they're actually measuring these as protection, I was like, you know, i'm going to try this and try to go to some shows with these on um it's twenty five to thirty D B of reduction and that's a pretty good set of you know that uh a lot of them don't promise much more than that. The most you get is maybe 4DB um and that and then you can barely you and so this is so the thing is， why are you go the concept of everything sounds like it's underwater. And what this promises, and this is what i'm going to try to test, is, is the idea that it's reducing all that but it's then pass in you this the sound in a relatively good way in a little um so you can actually hear the concert just not as loud as it's being projected.

And I think that if that's actually the case, so it's it's protecting to you on one end, it's supporting you on the other end and it's playing music in doing phone calls in the middle. And so so IT does a lot of I mean, I think there's a lot of features um that it's adding to IT. And IT does IT at a pretty high quality for the Price, especially, you know, apple seems expensive to everything except he adds so expensive choice you buy, you could buy three sets of hearing of a apple airports and to cover you all day. And I still wouldn't end the cost IT was going .

to cost you happy. So Chris welch does write on the verge that he says, did you know there are people who are already been replacing earplugs with the air podds pro at concerts? Until this full apple never endorse such a use case even mentioned IT, the company knew the people were doing IT to kept quiet.

Now with eighteen one in the soon to be released airports firm where update the airport's road two will be offering hearing protection at all times, noise across noise cancellation, transparency and adaptive audio modes. Somebody in our in our chat, in our disco chat says flying comics as gun range hearing protections, usually twenty five, twenty three to three, twenty five db drops. So these you wouldn't wear them to the gun range, but you absolutely could wear in a concert. And i'm presuming here hear the music quite well, right?

I I have used them at a concert and they work pretty well. I'm looking forward to trying them with this new feature that is expressly for that. But they already had a reduced loud sounds option. Yes, that made IT possible for you to listen in. I think I had a in transparency mode and you know, so it's passing through whatever .

had the music sound IT sounds a pretty good.

I also have A A pair of little inner earplugs that do a pretty good job of reducing the sound. So I and I compared them and they are they're just different. But I wonder if a if software, I mean, to obviously, apple knew that people are using in this way, but like IT wasn't, they can make that claim, right? It's dangerous to make that claim unless you can back IT up. So IT sounds like they can back get up now with some more express uh, hearing protection. But certainly what I would say is if you have any podds and you're the concert, you should put the man .

it's more airplanes or I mean, I was where automatic concert yes.

that's something. If you have no other of your protection .

and you should put them .

in ones to be absolutely ah .

i've warned that we have any monitors. These natio gist actually makes them hold and you go and you get a main number of companies do these. And I warned to a concert unfreezing concert unfreeze, he used to, they don't do anymore, but I used to let you buy a transmitter that was plugged into the sound board that you could then wear your, your headphones with.

That was the best concert i've ever been to because the sound was fantastic and you still feel the base, because you're in the in the room, you still feel like it's live. If you can even hear the crowd sort of in the background, it's pretty, pretty cool. Apple says do not try to protect your ears with airports.

Pro over one hundred ten dba and concerns can easily get above that. But I have my apple watch set to ninety db in warning me. And most of the time, you know, if it's over ninety D B, I will know.

But the watch will tell you. I think this is great apples really getting into this. And you know with with us boomers with this growing market of old folks, this is a very good market for apple to be in well .

and I think good on both ends like i'm if these were, i'm going to take him to a couple concerts, including my daughters concerts soon and if these work um you know you get into this mode of like well, i'm taking my kids to concerts, i'm probably going to buy them a pair of these to protect areas early on yes, that I should have done. And I think it's hard to get sometimes it's hard to get someone to put stuff in their ears. But if it's something that you're wearing to listen to stuff anyway, of a lot of people are using IT as this for this product and IT produces a high quality transfer of audio. Um I can definitely see a lot of people using IT for this purpose.

Jammer be saying, yeah, I took you that concert. Thank you. Jery in the chat room, they generate, they have a sound test.

I again, I haven't tried IT yet. I am downloading the eighteen one public data now, so I can try IT but have IT for next week. But they do do a sound test. Are there are programs like me, me that you can run on your iphone that will do a sound to have similar very similar to the actual audiologists test. The curve of generates looks very much like the curve I get from my audiologist IT shows where you're Normal is which is zero D B.

And where you below also, I believe you can scan in your audiologist results and use those if you yes.

I will actually do that because that's how my hearing aser are set. So for best comparison, i'd like to get the airports. I don't think it'll be Better or worse.

I think you will be different but the same. But if he gets people who don't want to spend seven thousand dollars, you don't want to stick up hearing aid to wear. I mean, it's also, by the way, I know my wear in airpower s all the time because I could listen to music. And actually even .

when they are hearing aid, the airports. So there's a win.

There is also the issue of tiny ice reduction. Um there is some evidence that where you know that the ringing in the ears that a large percentage of americans.

you never alone that's what I someone how I feel about .

never that .

quiet yeah there is alien K.

So so there is some evidence that having hearing aides will help in that these otkon actually have A A tn test mode, a masking mode. And I have pink noise playing at a very low level, which actually helps amazingly, when I wear these. But presumable, you could do the same thing with the airports.

Have, you know, there are plenty of places to go to get, you know, masking sounds, yes, that you could personably play at the same time. So that's interesting to, anyway, i'm very happy to see them do this. I will give you my report soon as I can test IT.

I usually not like to test beta stuff, but this the beta is that basically the final at this point, I would imagine. Um so that's coming monday. So we got possibly mac minis coming next wednesday. What else we're going to see home pods.

anything in now I think it's going to a mac event product drop. It's it's uh mac mini, which will be the new smaller mini. It'll be mac book pro and for and the rumor is the report from garment is the probably it's an m for imac because I remember they're trying to get all of the old m three max off on to m for the new um Better a second generation three hundred process in .

front of a very expensive macbook pro m three that I bought thinking I was future proving myself yes, you I got the max you now i'm I think first .

I am I mean, a lot of the info benefits are smaller because part of IT is just recovering from the first three animal process to the second. I'm sure there will be benefits, but I have to be honestly O I have been talking to people who have them ones yeah and then like you know, you have to go to them for from m one.

Like I don't know what do you do because for most people, the even m one, if you're on an apple silicon mac, I think I think you're fine. I have an m1 max uh max studio and like maybe i'll replaced that at some point。 But like IT doesn't feel slow. IT doesn't feel limited. It's incredibly capable and that's that first generation. So if you've got a name three, I think you're do I think you ve got to made I I think that this is for for get sweeping up the last people on intel and also it's the people who maybe got a bm one and they want to go up to something higher. I think those are the kind of people who really, really, really need I am for because, you know, yeah, all the apple slo can start is great.

One one of the biggest changes you have is opportunity for increased I O. I'm using an m one macbook like when the originals like for as as my daily driver I agree with you Jasons like I i've never been in a situation where I feel like old dam, i'm being held back by the limitations of my of my three or four year old of a macbook. And i'm using like to be photoshop in beta.

I'm using like general of the eye that's being hosted on the device itself. But the things that i'd misses, the fact that I only have two parts and I can only have like one external display. So what part of what excites me about getting a mac mini is having a real good like this top layer type of mode, not necessarily being able to run apps I wouldn't have able to run before. Yeah.

I think it's going to be the physical hardware changes that motivate a lot about dates like that's why I need to macro are is that I really like that new design that they did in the m two generation. But like i've got him three review unit here of the macbook are that I ve got to send back to apple this month.

And like i've used to some but like my m two is fine like IT doesn't IT doesn't make me weep that I have to send IT back because I only have A M two. It's all good but IT is yeah it's to gain of ports, change and look gain and functionality that's very specific to you. That's the kind of stuff that, that can make a difference to make you.

Will there be a design change?

No, no, no. This is going to look exactly like the existing macbook pros. I would be surprised if there any material differences to is why that leak the people who had him in russia.

I think that that's why is that they're using the same boxes and they look the same. And I mean, there there you know apple updates the chips way more often than they update the physical design. So I don't think it'll be any major change.

I don't think the big design change were waiting for us to see what happens with a mac mini. Is mac mini really going to be small and and a lot of us are super excited about that.

So small enough of an improvement to make you up.

It's going to be faster. I mean, i'm not looking at upgrading um necessarily, but I think that because I I have m one minor mostly just m one uh, a gig mac mini. I want to end one studio. It's got, I don't know, sixty four gigs or whatever in IT um but the but again, I don't feel like for what i'm asking them to do.

They're doing IT perfectly and they don't need to have any you know I think that that's the issue is that for ninety five percent of the population, I don't think they're going to seen any any difference in their data day tasks between a name one and and four. But if you're looking to buy a new ones, I have to buy I potentially have to buy a bunch of mac mini. And so the idea that we are definitely waiting, see what happens here.

Yeah for that if you're going to buy a ten or more these um you know that makes a difference and IT doesn't a difference when you think about server farms um because you like a smaller mac mini means that you can the density can be much higher inside of know there are some people that are you know max stadium a amazon. Others are doing these and that density makes and so um so anyway so I think that you know that's the um and and if if you know nothing, he has been rumored. But if for some reason the size also corresponds to a change in Price, I mean, apple will clean that entire market out and they have in the past gone, hey, you know what? We're going to reach down and compete with everyone to make.

There's no no room you've done that the ipod s before, the ipod ds before. And I know a smaller magni that came minute three ninety nine or two ninety nine. I am not saying it's going to happen because has been no rumors that, that's going to happen.

But if that happened, IT would be devastated. That market like for apple to have products that were able to do that and owning the chip and being able to build more efficient systems and so on so forth, does not put IT out of the reach of apple. Being able to reach down from a Price perspective and having a base unit that compete heavily with the beat links and the mayor ys and the you know all the other things that are living down there because be a far superior product for the same.

same Price. Also, physical redesign is in an opportunity to switch to like less expensive, more efficient manufacturing uh or even the idea of making IT smaller just so they can fit more product into each master cases and more master cases in each shipping container, which also pays off in the long run. And also, I mean, the design people, the design studio at apple, you got to get give give me some, given a chance to have some fun. Don't just like put them in the same like rounded, rounded square. Let them have a little bit .

of fun making triangles.

Click triangles there go the perms the miss are still around after like five thousand years that's you want to talk about sustainability .

would look to the pair I have a this is the development kit oya all comes snaps ragging, which does look like a mac mini doesn't in, is very similar many respects. All those black plastic, not aluminum. And for reasons no one is quite sure of, they only sent out two hundred to these.

I was very lucky. I got, I was one of the two hundred, and now they're cancelled that they're funding all our money. I think that I can keep IT with that.

Something is in a bag, but this is. So that's how how really the foreman factor really spread to me. This could be a man, many almost, except for bull.

A number of take take away the need for internal expanded ability once you also take away the need for really, really aggressive CPU cooling. A lot of design opportunities really open up. And I think that's now that where it's nice to see this being being reflected in the industrial design.

I mean, we've talked before about how cool would IT be to have like an apple TV sized, really inexpensive that's top mac. I don't know if that's a great business decision for apple to do. I'd be really interested in IT, but that's not these such a things are no no longer just speculation, something that they could do IT. If they want to, they could just essentially take take the the macbook air main board such as IT is maybe bended a little bit and make IT fit into that same space.

Ah let's took a little pause that as far as we know, that's the docket. Well, there's one big thing coming up a week from tomorrow or I guess week from thursday, which is apples quarterly results halloy halloween.

I think I I don't think it's any accident that like um um that they gave up a huge, huge, huge interview to tim cook to the wall street journal was IT. And he's been appearing there's been a lot of stuff appearing to sort of prepare the ground for all of the the sort of like a huge when you hear when you hear our results, please listen to IT within the context of the greater story that we're trying to tell here.

Let's let's take break a than when we come back. We will talk about that because he says, oh, no, don't worry, our huge bets, all that money are spending and is going to a pay off. So i'll worry wall street, we'll talk about that in just a moment.

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Tim cook, the wall street general magazine this weekend, the world, the CEO of the world's most valuable company, LED, two of the biggest product launches of his ten this year and leaves, there will be as life changing for the rest of us, as they are for him. Even if they currently make zero dollars, the big bets will pay off. Tim says.

IT will. So it's it's no, it's a profile. So IT starts the first thing tim cooked us when he wakes up. It's check his iphone. It's sitting IT up his nightstand in silent mode, where the C E O of apple, the most valuable company in the history of the world, reaches for his device and starts tria ging his inbox. He apparently, he says, every day, every product, including the vision pro, which is fair, I mean, you're the C O of a company that makes a certain, you know, a reasonable number of products. You can use every product in one day, get topes, laptop's, tablets, headphones, watches, streaming TV, streaming music, streaming movies.

To the, to the extent that that any apple product can be named dark food, he is his own dark food. good.

yeah. Do you think he watches all the apple TV plus movies though? I don't know .

about that.

The polling and alone would need up pretty the entire day. Nobody got time for that. So, so this is an interesting now, they said the interview is this summer, so it's not brand new, but they were obviously planning to have this out. They probably made a deal with a journal.

have this out the week before, and they didn't have like really, really good access IT wasn't like show up at this this hotel sweet and for forty five minutes and we will give you .

like forty know yeah yes.

I mean, to get at ends with like the reporters, the scheduling and e mail. Thank you very much. Scheduling an email to tim cope with like some wrap up questions at five A M and then getting response like twenty four minutes later.

So yeah, it's very flatting IT.

IT was very interesting. I mean, obviously ads not here to like tear the roof off of all of the skeletons and naples clause. But and yes, IT was a very positive.

IT was so very quotable, like I actually like a sticky note with all these things that would be like could be t shirt slogans, that the on the apple campus, every product, every day, not the first, but the best tomorrow, is Better than today. We are. We learn that he likes diet mountain. Do okay.

just let me be what .

is not available on the campus yeah.

and I haven't had a mutton due in a long time.

but only in be .

cared carefully that what is that? Is that really mountain?

Do if you were turning back to the mountain? Do not. M T, N, I think that there was a big, if you might have an older can. What are you .

both doing to do? I'm going to do. Do you Normally do the?

Do I do?

No, this is the first time i've done to do about the day I got.

Diamond is also my favorite soda. So i'm the right there with tim cook although what I do is I make sure that I have IT around me where as apple apparently .

doesn't stock .

IT and then like he should talk to somebody who h is in a position of authority at apple to get him diamond do.

that's the sort of abuse of authority that I can absolutely appreciate. Now, hey, we're going to do things just because I want to hey, I I really like dr. pepper. Could you like even if you have just buy IT at costco and bring IT in.

could you have doctor pepper at the his assistant have a little fridge outside.

It's OK apple. He says apple doesn't stock his favorite soda. What is doesn't says is there's probably more than a mini fridge full of diamond t do yeah, I think so.

I think so. But it's very this is very tim cook, right? Like I just get the sense some of the details in here, it's very much like H, I want to trouble.

I want to put me know honestly the thing is a health hazard. That's why they don't care. Red in the apple of thing is nuclear. What is the taste like? Not true.

It's situs something. It's like this beautiful taste of citrin.

caffeine and skip boards is definitely those rings. But I can say IT tastes like mountain.

Do a lot that looked exactly like what we thought a mountain do, which is when you live in the country. IT was related. Dear, now.

and so what me, dear p, what .

you mean.

I think, approach.

I don't know, all ability are liked. He asked.

I asked if he ever thins about what his childhood in alabama would be like if I had been filled with apple products.

That's a weird one.

IT would have opened with emerging world with the old mill. There was some wittman, yes, yeah, yeah. Would he have been the same guy if he had been glued to to his phone? I don't know.

Maybe not. Maybe he would have just been happy with what he had. He would never become the ambitious CEO of the most viable company, the history of the world according to the wall street. And I don't think that's .

actually true, by the way.

But if that keeps swapping with microsoft, no, but I mean history. I think that they say, the british east, the company, okay, much more.

But there a bit more controversial than ample.

Yes.

didn't involve slaves.

Let's put IT that way. So what else have we learned from this? Basically hy geography.

right? Mind over thing is, the is again how basic tim cook can be that I think is just wonderful, is the question, what do you name your, uh, group chats? His response was, what name them? I've never done such a thing. I shall .

consider IT.

And then he comes back to the writer later and he says, oh, oh, oh, I did what you ask I, I named one of my group chats. Oh, really time. what? What group chat was a group chat I have with my old college roommates. Oh, what's a cold roommates?

Not worry. At least be worried. I know right time.

buddy. But this is remember, this is the guy who on his on his financial call with analysts every quarter, the CEO of one of the largest companies in the world. Every time he speaks, he's like, this is tim.

Yeah we know it's youtube, we know we can recognize, but he's like he's just going to do IT. He's he's very unassuming in that way. I found that actually kind of heart warming because that fits perfectly with my vision of who that guy is. Oh, I did IT roommates and I went. The part of the .

reason why he did IT was not because he was excited about the idea, but he realized you, that's something i've never tried. What if there is a huge defect in this that I was unaware of and he and he had to try to just if even if the user experience was was up to enough.

and I think that is something that helps sample make some of those decisions that IT makes, which is that IT IT is there. The executives are they are gigi. I mean, they obviously know the technology, but they're not a assessed with IT like they aren't.

They don't feel like to know every prevent, every you know. And I think that, that definitely drive some of the decisions of like people really going to use this. And I think they look at IT like he had never thought of having group chats. I don't know how to name group chahaz. I I I see other people do IT to my chat.

Thanks, by the way, to alex Howard in our discard chat, who has sent us this pub md article, the caffeine content of the package, national brand of private label carbonated beverages. You might know that actually, diet mountain dew has more caffeine than regular mountain do and considerably more cafe than any other .

product on the market.

So lightning has less.

Now we see why he's awake at for five, five, thirty five, obsessively checking his email.

I can go with me. Oh, why? Oh, wow, actually there is a, there is a something called I G A cola. I don't know where you get that. That's the lowest to false zero, which is the highest to vult zero, even .

fifty percent .

more than that. I was all the .

sugar and twice .

a cafe that shot, just shot on material. I have to say, one, one of the changes I made this year in life was to try to get rid of of a recreational caffeine in my life and suddenly love now that i'm no longer like having like a two or three glasses of, like a dog pepper a day, i'm actually falling asleep more or less when I intend to go figure.

Yes, I does fect sleep too. I can not .

just my age.

and my daily has more a than so teen is .

like three hundred and twenty million. S is fifty five. So no.

no, I use the diamond do to come down off of the tea that I have in the morning. What you and take, well done, done. I mean.

there's a lot I is very retitle, very good, kind of underscores what we think or what we like to think about. Tim cook, I don't know whether there was a thread that was kind of run through IT. I don't know if was necessarily intentional. I don't know if I was suggested or implied by apple of apple press relations marketing. But the there's a lot of, again, remember that this is this is like just a few days before before the animals call, and this is just a week before apple intelligence makes its first day.

But a running theme was we don't always absolutely knock IT out of the park for the first time, but number one, again, tomorrow Better than that today were not always the where our goal is not to be the first but to be the best they go from crag federally. We'd argue that innovation that the innovation isn't having that idea, uh, the innovation was being able to craft the right product that you could deliver in a great way at the time. IT doesn't occur overnight.

None of these was going. This was tim cook. None of these things referring to all the success of had accured overnight. None of them did. So I don't know if they're explicit setting up.

Look, don't if if if if you're comparing apple intelligence next week to claude or to germany and saying, well, barely does anything, you're right. That's because is the first thing we're doing. We're not just going to withdraw after one release like a certain certain development platform that leo has.

We are we are in the long hall. We will get there eventually. And when we get there will make sure that we're not just putting features out there.

We're creating an on sambo of A I features that are mike tive iphone so much Better and so much more useful that you won't care, you want, know or care. That was A I. He was asked to, he was fed sort of a softball question up. Do you think that AI features are going to make the iphone negligible ly different, a little different or much more different? And he answered, oh.

profoundly different. So he says, I think we'll look back and apple intelligence will be one of those air pockets, which is a really word analogy that happened to gets you on a different technology curve. To put in another way, he believes that what's happening to him will happen for everyone, and that's exciting.

I'd like to be the CEO of the world's richest company. For some, IT will happen very soon. For others, that will happen later.

But IT will happen, he says. That will happen for all of us. I think .

he started at A I I don't know .

what he started .

about is quoting, yes, yes, oh, okay so yeah. I mean, there is a lot to be interested in in this guy who was very self of facing and yet runs this incredibly successful company and apparently to all appearances, runs IT very, very well.

And I don't think there's .

a lot of revelations in here about why he's so successful, do you?

No, no, not at all. Again, the mountain due quote is probably the most wow, I didn't know. I didn't. I didn't even figure him for I figured him as a flavored water like sort of guy as a national national brand.

whatever yeah you know you know what IT is and it's like, oh, my favorite. So does die and do and I have one every .

tuesday yeah, that's true. Actually this is that like a wild SHE likes diet coke, but he doesn't drink IT hardly ever. And I know he does because I can hear the belching there. There was a go there.

There was a fun line that I can't figure out. Maybe maybe you guys will have like a opinion on this. I don't know whether this was tim trying too hard or whether he was just answers a simple question directly, but when he was asked about the vision pro and well, what do what do you use the vision pro for? He said, all I love like lying bet, lying, lying on my sofa and watching TV, like on the ceiling of my ceiling of my blaze and he said that there was much more made, much more sense or much more relaxing than having to sit up on on, on an old fashioned couch, watched on on a TV screen. I'm like, wow, the hope, the whole definition of, if you're looking for something easier than sitting on a couch, maybe you ve got the wrong couch.

get a Better couch yeah, actually, I lie down on my couch and watch T. V. And it's just similar. It's very similar.

this wonderful turning your head technology that thirty five hundred.

I also get the feeling. I get the feeling with most CEO that there's A P, R person sitting right there that may occasionally bent over, lean into and whisper into his year. For sure, all of this stuff is so carefully cultivates. One of the reasons I don't make an effort to interview CEO. There's only a few who are dangerous enough to be interesting.

I can be fun. I mean, I don't interview cees that often. I got some time, jeff, about some time with the CEO of asus. Often time it's it's a way to sort of find looks sort of question that will slip underneath the radar and get down into the unrelated shift to the death star. h.

And actually, when I was interviewing the C O of a suso, when the questions after gain the techno stuff on the way was like, what did what did you use to create? Like as a kid did used to make stuff and he suddenly, like you could see that you've got clicked off of like CEO giving an interview a mode and start talking but oh well, yeah, I used to do this to make these models, these things like, oh my great, great, you can learn something about the person again. The wheels are going to be up one hundred percent and you're not going to gets.

There are very few people that a very few outlets that are so important to accompany, like apple, where they're gonna have to get the interview at some point and they don't have to risk asking the question of, wow, that was a pretty big failure that you had with this product. And you're disappointed a lot of people of what are you doing to address that. And yeah, so you're you're absolutely right about that.

Yeah, it's they're going to tell you exactly they want to tell you and that's gonna be what they go in. therefore. And if if the goal is humanized tim cook a little bit, then they'll do that too. But I went thinking about this in all of our conversations we've had about like the meta um on prototype that they showed on how apple maybe has had that. Also came to the same conclusions that met a did, but they didn't tell anybody.

And the question of like, well, which is Better, I was thinking about this interview while I was reading and thinking, this is where you have a planned and IT could happen on the animals all next way, who knows? But it's in a situation like this where you just have him cook, say, you know, when asked about the matter, iri and say, oh, we have a prototype very similar to that, that we looked at and and IT solves the whole like why does apple not pronounced a your show prototypes? Is you you can solve that problem with a choice C, E, O quote that says that you've got a if you want to do that disclosure.

And that's a lot of times these whole articles, you know, not from the journalist perspective, they just want the access to try to tell an interesting story. But from the other side of that, they're like what are we trying to get to cross here? And there's a little tidbit we want to drop in.

And I feel that on the analyst calls too that like they kind of light up when you ask the right question that lets them say the thing that they just want to get out there. In a way, it's not a press release and it's not it's a semi, you know, it's like a caught official pronouncement, but it's nothing more than that. But IT allows them to sort of seed that thought out into the coverage. It's all calculated.

And you can also do things like say, well, we saw, but it's gona cost a lot of money to make them the compromises that are required to get IT down to a reasonable Price. You even what we will consider reasonable below the thirty five hundred or whatever would require, and you can list off what the hard things are. A headset like that would require lower resolution cameras, lower resolution displays.

This battery limitations, like he just list of all the problems that that is going to have and what that does IT ceeon this like doubt into the press. So every time mea talks about everyone's all thinking about what what about that. And the first thing they look for is um when they put the head the new glasses on is the thing that apple said will be hard to do. The one thing you would be careful I was not saying it's hard to do and then try to do with yourself and have .

compromise is the screw yeah and and there was like I think that might be the first time that i've seen tim cooks and anybody that seen here at apple explicit say, oh, well, the vision proved for early adopters we weren't really expecting like big sales. I think they were happy to be quiet about that expectation.

Sure, that was what they're expecting, but they were very sure to be very quiet about that before we found before they found out maybe there is going to be an explosion of really cool, like the third party apps that use the hardware. And I think just as happens, this was this week or the week before that analyst group figured figured that there is in september, there were only two or ten of a specific vision pro apps released to the APP store meeting that they are not getting any ground with developers whatsoever. So this is why the it's a good idea to start to put out that put out the explanation that look again, we feel as a where the one end of runway, we are not in the area yet, but then we were necessarily planning on being in the area yet, which is completely, completely reasonable.

But that does like if if after after after the debacle le of a project title of the apple car, which went so far into developed, this wasn't like something they were playing with. There was we heard few weeks ago that they actually was were code developing a new style of art battery, excuse me, of electrical e vehicle battery with the chinese battery manufacturer. I've never been done before.

That's how far along they were in this. They have to be able to explain. Well, don't please don't frame the vision pro in terms of projects that we have cancelled. See IT in terms of things like the ipod, which in itself eventually was very successful once we we got launch properly, but also IT layed the ground for products that came away after the ipod, products that we're able to the ipod in time. So it's very smart way to just manage the story.

although you could probably say the reason the ipod became successful as they put IT on windows, but that's a that's another.

again, text there. Some things they didn't even the things that were explained very, very, very, very carefully after the market said, yeah, wow, what a great toy for mac people meanwhile, two percent to test tops amErica say, that's nice, I think .

do that yeah and benches know it's a puff piece let's face IT. But it's interesting to read it's not exactly chAllenging in any way. But I guess, you know you don't get to tim cook in with chAllenging questions, but he ends up with a coin, which I don't really understand, which is because if you believe that tomorrow is Better than today, that also means today is going to be Better than yesterday. I don't know what that has to do .

with anything if you still have access to. I want you to put that in, give IT that phrase, an expert inspirational poster, because I bet there's gonna .

sea goals and sunsets may be maybe IT is a great actually wide because if you believe that tomorrow is Better than to today, that also means today is going to be Better than yesterday. And maybe maybe ben coin is sly and actually saw that on a poster and tips office or something because I it's completely non secreted before IT, he says, I ve said him an email and he responded in half an hour.

The reply was friendly, professional, his size, but he wasn't written by apple intelligence. He typed IT out itself. And then tim cook got on with this day. And then because if you believe more sports, I mean, I guess is that tim cooks philosophy? I don't know I I don't know why I was in the article.

IT is IT fits the tone of the peace. I guess .

that does yeah again .

aliza hard to end.

An article like this isn't IT except you know, then tim cook got up and walked off. And at the sunset.

I know, I don't know, you can see when I was reading, I was, I was looking, I was seeing the structure. The piece he started off with this is how tim cook starts his day. He gets up and if you ended with then at that point he.

whatever yeah, it's well written. M.

i'm not saying I I wouldn't say was higher graphical, but I was like you said, you can definitely feel the guard rails like this was this was bowling with the bumpers in the good saying you are not going to go to folk too far this way or this way. This is the expectation.

Any well train politician or CEO? No, yes, they're a whole different level of doing this. And the care that they take in how they answer things, what was said before makes them somewhat to pick you like.

It's like I think that he and as you go into the sea level, folks, I mean, a lot of them are very careful about IT what they say and how they say that. I mean, the only ones that I think often vary are the ones that were the founders. They kind of feel like they can do whatever they want right now. And then those are the ones that are going to. But the ones that come up through the ranks by the time they get there, they tend to .

be pretty sleep.

No.

if if if I had, if I had the ability through a even not just cannot simply careless uh expression, but they not completely one hundred percent thought out and calculated expression cause the valuation of a two twenty years company to go down two or three points, I would be that cautious too.

exactly. And what's amazing there is when they get to that level, how they can sound just totally fluid and they are not told you anything. I say anything at all.

but but I think, but still the times that like a lot of us have just something, I have some thoughts on this two. It's like there and it's the every time i've done an interview with anybody, whether it's like an actor on stage, comicon or an executive or in the real case of CEO, i'm always sensing that there is the lane that they are trained to be on and they know the danger of leaving that lane.

But if you give them an opening that is, wow, this is something I wasn't expecting, but it's completely it's a completely safe thing for me to talk about. And finally, I can actually pretend that this is a Normal conversation, as opposed to navigate this conversation tree that i've been programmed to go into, like I was interviewing. Wall is shown and absolutely thrown for a loop because the form that I chose and was, i'm gonna visibly, everybody was there to ask about about the princess pride and stuff like that, like a few thousand people, whatever. In the in the room, I all ask the first question and have like the first back and forth.

while people get like, actually.

I asked him the first question about about uncle vania, which was which was one of my saying that IT was one of my when the most incredible openings of a movie i've ever seen, if you've never seen IT IT is like the famous check of play oka LV anna. But it's like he and just to love all a couple of friends, they're just like hanging out in the new answer, jammed the utter as it's being renovated before IT becomes the disney theater.

And they just like our walking in off the street having a conversation like of my dinner with on reconversion tion. And there's a moment where suddenly doing they're suddenly doing uncle ivanian and is so hard to figure out what moment are they in character because they just like have a cup of coffee and they walking around and they take a seat and they're sitting talking at this tables on the stage and suddenly there's a line that is the first that is a and so actually got a conversation going and then someone else, if you could you say, conceivable eive. So yeah find if you can find that lane where it's like, oh, thank us. Not something they are not asking something that's personal, something asking something dangerous, but it's something that I feel like I can talk about freely IT can happen. I think .

it's more true with the creative than IT is with CEO. In any event. Now we know just a little bit more about mister cocos company is currently valued at three point five eight trillion dollars, but how quick how .

long IT took .

to get to a trillion and how quickly just .

keep that every .

trillion after that just gets on? Just baby.

wow, I did.

I didn't realize until saw the picture. The world return. Al, he's even wearing nike glasses. I knew he .

wear night because he's part of new.

Yeah, the business insider had another story that I don't know if I don't think IT was done necessarily with the involvement of apple because I didn't seem to have direct quotes. But I was talking about how like when the CEO left in twenty sixteen that there has been some shakiness with the new like top leadership and not as though tim has been like co running a niki as a board member, but that he's been very involved.

He's been very, very helpful. He's been like a steady hand on this that the other and like so that's why I I read that well, oh my god, is even wearing nike glasses. That's amazing. Yeah.

it's it's kind of a remarkable that he could do that. And for an apple to be on this.

I know, and he's doing this since two thousand six. Before he was he like, G, I was already here. I'm going to quit.

I'm going to quit because I don't know enough time. I mean, is suspicious of certain CEO who have seemingly plenty of free time even if they're running three big companies. I feel as though tim cook, he's not running nike. He's just a board member. But well, he been .

stories is that he chose that were certainly had a big impact in on who the next CEO of nike would be. Ella hill, who just came out of retirement to be the new C E, O, has been struggling so apparent. I mean, this blob g story again, I don't know how IT german involved, but I don't know how well source that is german was .

involved in that the writer said that was approaching apples, say, hi, i'm not german. I don't know german. I've never met my first mark cos inter.

Let's take a little a pause that refreshes. We can do our vision pro segment. We have some vision pro stories.

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years and now right? Yes, yeah I I used I looked up, I found that I found my article from when I first rote about the on six colors, which was right after I started the website, is the websites that ball over ten years old down IT was iphone six that I used to pack as the apple watch was announced, but not out yet. And honestly, the moment the apple watch came out, I started just using the apple watch for apple pay.

That's what I used. But in that moment right there, and that was the way you you use double pay, was an iphone six. And I I I read a little piece about buying and peanut butter whole and I remember that and having the the class like what it's magic yeah I think was really surprised by IT.

So yeah ten years that they've ve been doing this and and I tried to explain this to people outside the us. Who had a lot of sophisticated payment technology way before the us. Did for a lot of different reasons um that apple's entry into this with apple pay really did finally give IT the kick started needed to get contact list payment.

yes. To be a thing in the us. yes. And it's a huge thing because obviously the rest of the worlds like big deal. We had IT before. This one i'm telling you is why didn't we have that? The answer is lots of reasons but like nobody had been able to get IT over the hump including uh, google trying IT and then apple did IT and IT was for whatever reason just enough of a kick that now almost everybody and .

then and then cover IT then you know IT went from being something that a lot of people used to, something that everyone I go to, I go like go to farmers s market and someone wants cash. I'm like.

yes, that's pretty .

grow most.

I mean, and my farmers market here they and covered was the motivational there. They all just invested in little square terminals, don't even write your cash anymore.

The funny thing is, is that like belah o is all square or or something something of apple pig sand fl, like ninety percent .

cash in cultural thing.

Well as so I just started map in in all the play, all all the booths. Of course, that's what I do is I built a map on point the boots in which one to take apple pay. And like, I want to buy everything from those ones, you know. So but but the but I think that IT is amazing how quickly I I think during covet, we really saw to go from probably you know a large percentage people using IT. Everyone use that .

because you don't to touch that. I mean cover six years in tap pay or plus. But but what happened was by laying the ground work, by putting the infrastructure in place.

When I came time that the pandemic happened, a people were motivated to use that. There was there and I was available. And and and there are so many.

I mean, there are so many reasons I I don't want to handle that, but people like, go, you americans are so you're so behind like the united is so huge. And because of that, it's so spread out. There are so many individual places where you can buy things. And IT IT means that there is this enormous, enormous infrastructure of technology that's used to receive payments and to turn IT over to waive one and just say, oh, get new ones are easier said than done in the united states, especially where you've got fifty different states with different laws and and like I said, geographically so dispersed. But uh, we were in IT was a moment and like apple picked a really good moment for IT.

And if they managed to, over the course of a few years, get everybody to kind of like upgrade their hardware and light up those terminals to the point where ten years later, there are reports just in the last month about how like home depot is starting to finally replace their terminals because this is what IT takes as you invest in a whole big point of sale terminal for your giant chain of stores at home. Deepo and IT doesn't do apple pay. And then people say, oh, you should support apple pay and home depos like we can.

We just spent millions of dollars. So now apparently they're starting to roll out out in a bunch of other stores are starting to roll IT out. So IT still even ten years later, some of them are still coming along, but apple gave at the push that started IT. IT really deserves the credit for making this happen.

I have never been. So it's so unusual. And I don't particular like using the cards. I don't like dealing with anything else, and so I realized that I am asked to go to home depot all the time, and now I mostly find a hardware and.

Other things I go to home deeply when I absolutely can't find something, and I realized that I had to look back was like, why? Because I used to go to at home deeper all the time, like treasure, you know, of things that adults can build and thing you do. And I realized every time I got to to the cashier, like really even.

And then I figured out where a lot of times are not Carrying my credit cards with me anymore. Like I don't Carry, I just have my phone or my watch and so I go there, I go to the car, I I go find, figure out what happened, put those things. And then I just like, and when I get in to the car after being at home, deepo more that i'm never coming here again and eventually I come back. I need something that can only get at home depot but it's but IT is funny that I I realized that it's I seem never have my cards with me anymore because I don't need them you know like you know and and that's .

the thing that's happened yeah and work at the library again but they have a longer than my library doesn't do like a nanuk a quarterly bookstore. They have a disa section of like books for sale and the number of times where it's like, oh, I don't have one dollar with me. I don't even have a dollar and change with me and now there are times actually like like i'm buying a sold on the way the library I will buy, I will pay in cash just to make sure I will have singles to pay.

But the grist, the biggest, a sign of apples Victory here is that, at least in the united states, they have managed to bandaid the technology where, like, i've learned, i've had IT to learn to stop saying, hey, you do tap pay by phone because they will say, oh, you mean apple pay? Like, well, okay, I I don't want to say this is an this is an android phone that uses an NFC standard that is inOperable between banks and was, yes, apple pay? Yes, absolutely. so. So actually historical .

a IT really wasn't apple that made this happen. Apple's timing was very good because mater carton VISA had agreed to introduce emv to the us. A standard have been used worldwide that year.

And so what that man was that merchants, we're going to have to upgrade their terminals to support emv, which sometimes you call a chip and pin, but the idea you could use a chip, so so apples. Apple's released of apple pay was timed so that when apple pay came out, these merchants were going to upgrade. The hope was, merchants would say, well, we might as well upgrade IT with touch to pay.

And the merchants that didn't like home deepo and was at wall Greens, I can't remember the drug store that wouldn't IT. We didn't want to do IT because they didn't. And this is, I think in the later in the key to why apple pay succeeded, they didn't get information about the customer.

They just got in the envy token. And so these merchants like home deepo, wasn't merely that we know what do the technology because they had to do emv. They just didn't do apple pick as they wanted to keep the info about the customer.

So it's a little more complicated than that. But you're right, apple's timing is part of that. I think it's a combination. There was an attempt in, I think, twenty twelve to do this or or maybe IT was actually .

twenty twelve. Mastercard and VISA agreed that about october first twenty five.

right? So so in the area they were trying to do IT, I at one point in in I think twenty thirteen got a card with a chip in IT. And then in two thousand fourteen, they took him away because they'd don't forget IT forget to forget IT.

It's twenty fourteen. They did a pilot where h during the world series, you could buy like I bought hot dog using tap to pay, right? So that was a new thing that they they did.

Google had been trying IT and couldn't get IT. So it's this I I really want to say this, that I think it's a combination of if apple try to do this and there was no technology, obviously IT wouldn't work. But I but we also seen the this try to be pushed into society and and uh, it's fun. Its wheels and IT didn't work. And what happened is apple.

apple IT was a coincident IT was a coincident event, right? Two things that, and they had both be there.

There need to be enough tap to pay terminals available in the world for there to .

be some apple, I don't think, could have unatoned done.

But what apple, the secret sauce that I believe apple brought to the equation is IT created demand by making a big deal of apple pay on the iphone, and IT made people want to see. And I have in that story about my first apple page experience, there's a big like sign that is now accepting apple paid every single whole foods terminal. And so what they did was they use their brand and they create a consumer demand, which what they did was they could take advantage of the places where that technology had been installed, and they could shame and push the companies that were dragging their feet on IT to get on board. And that, I think, is where apple push this thing over the edge, is that he had enough loyal users who wanted to use the busy from apple that they were able to, to show interest and push .

and get IT even via had a lot of impact. And they started members shipping out cars with with chips in them at that time and and all of that. But I think and there was also, by the way, one of the reasons matter, current VISA wanted IT, is because security was so terrible on the back on on the swipe and sign, that they were losing a lot of money every year to fraud.

So they wanted something more secure. You know, he was a confluence. Know when is an idea whose time would come? Let's say, I mean.

a lot of times I think you go to a bans and you know that happened because all the right people showed up and at the right time and with the right and the right people were interested in brunch, you know like you know and you end up with the vana know, but there there are a hundred places where that didn't happen and the band was really good and never went anywhere, right?

And I think in the time, every the and was there, I do think that apple benefit from people know a mac users or apple users tending to be a little militant about their stuff. And because I know i'm talking on the show about the fact that I am I just moved to pitzer g and there was like a cbs down street and I went down there and I bought A, I bought something, never pay, and I came back because, like, i've never gonna na shop anywhere more than once. That doesn't have apple pay.

you know and know I said, here's our show from october twenty fourteen, mac break weekly .

talking about them.

We sent jeff needles that to to use .

apple pay .

at at a whole foods and that IT is there's a little lappe pay, a logo. I will be fair. Ice at the time was very skeptical.

I said, why is that more convenient than just taking a credit card out of your wallet? I did not kind of buy into the notion that this was much more convenient. What I missed was the watch because the watch hadn't come out yet, which does make IT all because it's on your risk already.

Mean, you did have to take the phone out of your pocket to make that work. I hardly I don't know if have used the phone for apple pay more than enough you a handful of times. I also missed customers desire for privacy and security to no. And I think that people really took a little a while to go a few years, but eventually realize this is much more secure.

What doesn't give you that have to worry about card skimmers wherever you ago went .

for me and it's not was that when I passed? If I took me little while to realize this, but I was not passing my debit card to the to the um render, you know like it's it's taking yeah it's taking my money and then give you a new number to the wrote europe restaurant.

Never take your credit card, you swipe IT at the table that is slowly becoming starting .

to happen here.

So is that happens to me more?

I am surprised how often that's happening when they they have those and held terminals that have tapped to pay and they come out with IT now and it's it's get there. But again, this is why I think it's a big deal that it's ten years of apple pages because everything just moves so slowly in the us. And again, yes, part of IT is because our financial system is very conservative and mosy slowly. But part of IT is you can't just waive the magic woman and say, let's just update all the terminals because you're talking about a number that is it's like it's more than the terminals in all of europe, right.

let alone one. That's what the the decision was critical to the super otherwise mines would. And that, by the way, look how long I took before, before you could use your watch to pay for the .

tokyo subway or the new york. But it's so amazing to up turn style.

You don't need a token. You don't need a clip card. You just tap your watch. What do you think that my mind was .

blown incredible? On the other side of that when you see like how you don't get fraction is I was in the uh for taking with the airport I was in IT was the D C. I think D C airport the um I D I think anyway the amazon has these. You just walk in, right, you walk into the store and you can walk out.

You don't have check in, check out, by the way.

Four of them that I walk passed in. All of them were empty because theyve a turn style. You have to give them your credit card before you .

walk in or your hand print, whatever.

in both of those. And I I even tried by, I even tried my part. And this kids like amazon doesn't have that. You can move fast. I that if apple had if that was an apple store, I probably would have gone through a couple more bumps before I decided I wasn't.

But when I as soon as as soon as I actually tried to use a car in IT, when I take IT, I was like, this is stupid. I'm not going to go somewhere else. And I never considered going back.

And no one else did either there because these stores are all empty. They're sitting in the airport and all the other stores are you know busy and these are just, just completely empty. Uh, so is very I I think IT IT does come down to the brand often times being able to push that forward.

And I also think that then I don't know what the difference was between the android, but I think one of the example that tend to do Better is that subbed interface thing. Subways that IT works and bounces and is easy and doesn't have friction, is very easy to go. Oh, this is too much friction.

And almost immediately stop using IT. I think apple is a prime more sensitive to that than others. But but I do think that is another factor. I will tend to do that Better than almost everybody else.

Um and I think the other side of this is what the apple watch is sold as well, if IT weren't for apple pain.

H interesting idea.

I think so I and I like .

what sure makes the watch a desirable thing, right? I buy groceries.

everything with my was one years I never used to watch for my apple pay. It's like so I I don't uh, I think what happened was I had a problem where I had one watching a new phone and then I had trouble .

getting Better the watch because it's strapped your rist. It's already already. So don't face I D I.

I do IT more. I just remember .

when in the early days of apple pay, you had give a in, what was that up pen? And that was like this, and you had to show them the card. IT really took .

a while before we came, did become actually convenient.

Yeah.

not need to sign an apple paid transaction. Those of are gradually again, ten years later, they're still changing. But we're in a much Better place that we were yeah yeah.

I for me that my watch is primarily a my fitness and timers like that. I have lots and .

lot a lot of tires. It's clearly the main thing you use everything for Alexis.

I like a man time. Here's the thing is that I like, i'd like taking little maps. I can't sleep, but I don't have an alarm, so I can't, I can't care to sleep if I don't know when I wake like I can't go um and so I I always have very attached to time and and then I I have A A horrible habit of um for getting my wash. I often times wash my close to or three times because I wash, I think they sit down there so so for that and then these are all horrible things but the primary thing for me now is a fitness, the steps laps. Um you know all the different you know project tories I think that that's the thing is really kind of why use the watch but it's fine because I only thing apple pays that for me doesn't have any impact on IT.

You just just give me a thought the only I I stop wearing smart watches, my daily driver, like at the start of the summer. The only thing that I miss is that really trivial. Like again, i'm just stopping in on my way to wherever to buy a drinks just like the tribal tap pay. And if if apple or google or somebody came up with like a simple like nondescript fitness band that all I did was like google wallet or apple pay, I would absolutely buy IT. And that would be on my right risk, not just for the reasons because I don't know for that, because the when I do go to new york, that's one of the times where I do definitely like where, but every time I go through a turns after I turn this way, because the truth style is like .

on the right, and I have .

go bump, I want to do that.

They should have a little apple pay band that you could wear. Why not?

right?

I have a friend who had an arvid in place I put into into, and so we're shoes using IT for those as her way of protesting the new security systems at work that required heard a card in pretty much everywhere. And so that was her former protests. And so SHE had the thing in her hand in her rist .

for like seven years. She's but so the a whole thing reason I bring this up, I think it's very interesting that technology both simultaneously takes a long time and is faster than you imagining. So IT took ten years before apple pay really became the jogger, not IT is today.

And yet IT happened overnight in a way, right? IT feels like, wow, we are now is like atms. Know when I remember you, probably all too Young, remember this, but we used to have to go into a bank to get money. And the transform that experience, no.

I I had. But my very first trip, I was like nineteen years old, maybe eighteen years old for macworld and 3Francisco。 It's like all I knew was that I knew that there was a wealth fargo ATM like three blocks away from where I was I was staying and that IT would accept my ATM card.

And that's when, like that was one the dividing lines to be my generation, my death generation. But it's like what you mean that you don't have to but aren't you going to like take out a hole? But no, i'm just going to withstand and i'm going to take with me enough money to like to get like for a couple of days, but i'll be able to just money.

So how I go to work without getting without going to the exchange booth at the airport because I know I could just take euro and get european. No problem in ATM. This is mom doesn't trust atms and refuse seven ATM card. There is a whole generation.

no. This is how, how long was IT before I trust? There is A, I took me a while before I could, I could trust, depositing a check by paper, check by atms, stead of going up to the counter. And then there was a while before I could trust, deposition a truck via phone instead of going to the ATM. And now that's completely mood, because now I actually trusted the direct deposit for most my clients or electrical payment. So IT does take a while to get used to the idea that this is new, you know, to be the one the first people to help the industry figure out that there is an easy way to drain a bank account, but at some point the water is warm enough that you can figure out that OK i'm going to trusted. I think .

conventional ultimately went as IT over, by the way, I was in canada month ago. And I said, do you do apple pay? I can't remember, because canada unfortunately gets screwed all the time by apple.

Yes, they did. Seventy eight markets now do apple pay. Eleven thousand banks and network partners, hundreds of millions of customers. IT is very, very widely used. IT is a success.

What would you want? ATM two, I realized I also never go to A A, T M. Now because I don't use cash.

Yeah, yes.

you know, it's occasionally I have cash a couple dowler stashed around here and there. I find them in the wash something like that. But I don't like, I don't it's so rare for me to have cash at all.

although I keep Peter tired. The creator of bitcoin thinks you're crazy for not using cash because it's not you know you you're not anonymous. Your privacy is violated by every other form of payment. Accept bitcoin. yes.

Try to be boring. Yeah .

again, if if I went for taking walks on sunday, saturday mornings and discovering a yard sale, I would probably not have cash in my wallet that's I always have like a hundred box, couple of hundred box just in case there's a yard sales like wow, you're actually selling this like three hundred dollars. Welcome public for forty dollars. So like, unfortunately, all I have is seventy eight cents. Can you like that? So the next while, I tried to find IT ATM in the neighborhood.

Every time listen, I am walking down town, I say, let's go to the bank. I want to get some money and go to the ati, get money. So what do you use cash for? You know what? I use cash for tipping. I believe firmly that the service person, service people should be taking cash.

That's my thing that I I the only time I have cash is when I travel and i'm in a state of hotel and i'm going I have to go at you know forty dollars .

and then I break IT all in the once the bell tip, the room I always leave of actually now I leave at twenty on the on the bed for the may. I just feel like you should how hard enough life now it's when .

you tip in cash, you know that they get the cash.

you know get give up and they can pretend that didn't get IT and they don't have to pay the irs. But I didn't say that. All right. Somebody in this room has a new ipad mini, and I am very curious to find out who IT is. Will off up?

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you guys are so cute, and we will come back and talk to Jason snow about his ipad mini. Mine comes tomorrow because I did A B, T O. I wanted to max out the storage. And so I know a lot of you've received your ipad mini. Started arriving list a friday, right?

No, no, no, no, no. Am I wrong? yeah.

What do they arrive?

No, is IT my time? tomorrow? Today, tomorrow.

maybe it's tomorrow. I just got, I just got a notification. Good news items in order where w is. Six, four, nine, seven.

three. This, three. This is sweet bar. The company will be stealing a ript many at eight, thirty four.

twenty four more hours where I can lord this over the world.

I have a tiny ipad. Thought I thought I was getting IT in later. Oh, that's the Normal.

okay. Well, that's good to know. I'm getting IT on time. And by the way, another person that I treat very well as my U P S. Try for because I I want him to make. In fact, he says, you know, when apple stuff comes, you want me to drop IT off in the morning I said, yes, please, we leave lisa, such a nice person. He has a refrigerator out of the front with soto pops and water and stuff in IT says, take some tony appreciates that and as a result, I shall get my ipad all that.

That's awesome.

Isn't that nice? I don't know. He says he saw me. Do IT SHE great. Let me tell you, those poor amazon delivery guys really appreciated on those hot days we had last month.

not treated either. So yes, yeah. Kindness to amazon delivery driver is especially well.

we've always a tipped our dear drivers because as as probably you guys also get a lot of packages, we get. We get mini, mini.

mini. I once I actually fixed my ups, my U P S drivers phone like while like signing for my new phone, because he, because he knows, oh, comes from this, is from from apple, must be at, you know, if that has that new blow blows, all your phone has IT like, really, how do I do that? So sorry, whoever was late with their package after that, I was trying to be nice to make you as yeah that's .

that's actually that's you're right. And I do I told tony, you don't have to bring IT first. It's okay. But if you want, if I was, if it's on your way, go head. If IT says A I on the front, I wouldn't say no, wouldn't say no, I should brought you bike, literally brought you by cash line or content delivery network.

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So I was I thought the ipad many would come out the friday after they made available for delivery. But I guess it's coming out. People are going to extract getting IT tomorrow.

tomorrow. Yeah.

that's that's some light comes, I thought was because of bt. O, oh, good. So I mean, look at looks kind of the same, right? Can I use the old? Can I use the .

ipad mini cover? Be able to.

Okay, IT.

IT is the old mini in almost every way that the color is less saturated, which is super boring. No button. I I was told, I was told that that the volume button move the last time. So the volume button are still up here where they were before the top.

Okay, yeah, yeah. That all the button are at the top. yeah. So that leaves aside free the apple pencil.

which is now pencil and now sports pencil pro, as well as the USB c pencil. So apple slowly getting that. We talked about this idea that the pencil was kind of a mess, but they were sort of slowly resolving IT as they released new models. And so this one now supports pencil pro as well as the u sbc pencil um and you can magnetically charge on the side with the pencil proof you want to and uh yeah it's it's identical to the other one in almost every way. They change the display controller a little bit that may have fixed the jelli scrolling problem .

the people clain about. I never saw the jelli school.

I struggled to see you too. I didn't see IT on this one. Uh, my colleague federal of vittie, max ory, says that he didn't see IT. But I think David pears that the verge that did so I don't know I .

don't know whether there's maybe David is jelly jelly .

yy scrolling experts to tell us. So really why is why is this? And it's what we said last week, which is this is to put the a seventeen project from last year's I fifteen in IT because that support apple intelligence and that allows applicant check they're check in the boxes off of all the new products they sell to make sure that probably IT within a few months, they will all support apple intelligence.

And does that have more rain?

Uh, I think we don't know. But I assume IT does. I assume that it's got gigs of RAM, and that's all part of the same deal to get apple intelligence on here.

okay. So I really didn't need to buy not only that, I not need to buy a new one. I didn't need to buy the new smart folio cover either.

I don't think you did unless your old .

ones beat up. But this says specifically, it's for the eight, seventeen possible.

They move the magnets or something. But I don't know if I would. Yeah, I can test that. But IT seems pretty much identical.

I will test IT tomorrow. And I wrote, report back, thank you, because but IT was, this is all somebody said I could put in the dishwasher, but I had a White cover.

It's just beat the L I just use, I use some what so little disoit hand off and then hang out .

to dry and the drive out I get the mr, clean the scrubs i'll put you that on you to .

scrub bit just little to say so just I do don .

dishwashing liquid is usually recommend go to for cleaning like all kinds of stuff but also yeah just but but the aces actually put on the label they all but they added a new thing which is sort of like a foaming like.

yeah I have that yeah .

that's and that's what I used for again, like things that like covers of of phones.

Covers yeah you let IT sit for a little bit.

for a little bit, and then you just wash IT off. And it's like, wow, I can't believe that I said I lived with that for so long because I was intimidate that I was going to takes a long to work.

Oh, good. I have. If some of that they keep coming up, different form factors fit done.

I don't get the cleaning separate like every third response involves either done dishwashing liquid or the sprayer or barkeeper friend.

if you have, I have, that's why I have barked .

my friend and I i'll be damned if they aren't write every single time time.

And I didn't know that there was a cleaning separate. I am now following the cleaning.

This is the reason why a whole bunch of things that, like, I keep me to get to once I can figure out how do .

you if IT doesn't come off with index, I don't know .

what to do on still, well, laws like I have no clue. But then you go to the cleaning separate. Oh, i'll just put this and this, make them together into a paste spread IT on that. Leave IT for like a good like hours so and then just spread IT off like, oh.

you think oxyde clean is as good as bar tenders?

Friend alex, i've never used bartenders. Friend, but I friend, but I can tell you, oxy clean cleaned about everything.

He just scares me because .

it's so good at IT healthy. If an something with clean the like, I need you to run this up. Yeah, no, what happened here? But IT clears everything out. yes.

So it's I also recommending simple ring, which which is good.

Yes, yeah. Dollar stories have amazing clean products and .

they're all a dollar yeah and it's not .

like this is just amazing examples cost eight dollars and doesn't work but go to this one thing you we find in a separate oh, a dollar twenty five and like, wow, that's awesome. I feel smarter and less like a dope. No.

yeah, I did not say Bobby god, I said, cool.

be goo gone right?

Or good god, maybe be this. Which is effect some sort of all our joy or something .

like that anyway yeah.

some sort of there is probably like some monster chemical. They just make smell like oranges. But anyway, speaking at cleaning the fcc is going to require all hearing aides and phones to work together and apple in order to make these airports, which, by the way, the iphone is done forever.

I've always had no problem Pearling my iphone to my hearing. Apple is now required to make these cleaner because apparently that's another requirement from the fda that hearing aides have to have a cleaning. So there's a whole page on cleaning your maypoles.

Seven years on, I was apple data center fight. This were at the drugs. Now we're the oh and age of the vision pro were at the bottom of the bureau.

Seven years later, apple data center in IOS finally opens in Walker IOS IT is wanky. Twenty nine and ninety five. That's not the cost. That's just the number you could paint your car for twenty and nine and ninety five .

hundred shape .

reference accomplish well. You had a die hard reference earlier that I missed, but the chat room caught IT.

So to the coast, get together. We have a few life. Okay.

let's do the vision to play the thing. This .

quite a few in sort here.

The thing play IT, I want that chair and then the heads I have, the ads I have, the gene Scott I just needed you .

like when the things go marching in play IT again, ay IT again. Now we're we really.

really so if we know established that the vision any news about the vision pro is under the bottom of the barrow, it's like, thirdly, drive me thing under the, okay.

every go.

Yeah, just cause I look.

doctor you. Gene Scott was just an ordinary television pressure who was obsessed with horse training and the paid of ever those of the things he was really want to think about. I was a classic.

The name of his show was doctor gene Scott on heat brews.

Yes, which you find IT.

but I don't know if that would go these days. I don't.

The book in the bible is.

what do you were talking about? problem. I don't know .

what he was comprehend. I was in high school. We would a watch to show just because IT .

was baffling and what is?

And he was like, literally he would, he would just declare at points that he wanted the video like how leo very occasionally will be like, I play the play of vision process, which is why I said that he would just do that to his people. He be like, played when the since go marching in and they had like a video of like him training his forces. While the sense of margin IT was a thing, folks, you missed that.

This was basically a radio D J type. But preacher, yeah. And then he would do time.

fill hours of time in the middle. The night .

there is dock doctor gene. Ah, yeah. IT was kind of comprehension to look at the White port. It's like, it's like conspiracy three.

one to one. Yes, so easy. yeah.

was.

It's just looked, yeah, because you see something when you connect to the pyramid, evil is Brown, coupled to the corp. Formation of the peas.

And this was an earlier, simpler time.

This we didn't have the internet.

we didn't have youtube lie everyone all at one time rather. Yeah.

this is why there is quite a bit of gene Scott on youtube, if you .

want to mean no algorithm. Back in the one thousand nine eighties.

and he would wear heads. Modern times cowboy had, oh, back to the vision pro. You can tell I am probably a little vision pro hostel. I think at this point, maybe it's going to say apple headset stalls wait in IT. Maybe it's not just me.

This is the wall street journal struggles to attract killer apps in first year virtual reality offered developers have not embraced vision pro, which has lower than expected sales in its first year. There's two people wearing in beijing. I thought they we're .

selling in china. He is in china right now is when the see he had, he did a walk around with a fame hotoke py, whatever. And of course, she's interviewing him while wearing the headset from .

and and Jimmy felon war the vision pro. So that's two people. Now that the quest three s is out, we're start to see tear downs of that. It's a lot cheaper.

It's a quest to .

IT turns out yeah the same .

um why surgeons are wearing .

the vision pro and Operating rooms this is from time magazine so that they said .

they talk to a surgeon, a surgeon who actually like got early access to IT. And while you get your head around this while using the A P release version, the vision pro and whatever sofa was running on IT, he performed a para sopha hernia Operation. Please don't, which is like where IT is when like there's a rupture in the diagram. So OK had like put somebody's stomach back through IT and sew IT also at all up while working a vision pro that was not running final software.

But this makes me so nervous. Can you imagine waking up and seeing the nurse and the doctor wearing goggles like that? Do they have they turn off the eyes? Because that would really .

creep me. I'd be more crept .

up of people with .

knives that I don't think .

they should. I mean, I think that was so crazy, but there are a lot of Operations now that are happening where they are. They are very comfortable with a stereo copec. yes.

I mean, you see that like when you actually see I was watching streaming something that that had this and he just looks Normal until you realized that they are stitching something that's like a millimeter know like looking the goggles and theyve got these little joysticks and y're just kind like they are. They really hate things and they're doing the thing and IT takes years of of training to get to that point. Yeah, but they're doing things that they could never do before.

So I think that I understand where they're coming from. If I would have used data, I don't know, I would have agreed to do beta. They probably walked up with the first to say we're going to the sample.

They did twenty invasive Operations from the context of .

this time interview or this time, I don't it's not as though he was running a custom APP for running surgery, right? He seemed to seem be talking as though just like using these minimally invasive like like rosy pic surgery surgery tools. You have a big screen that you're looking at yeah while you're IT ethe controls, I was basically now that the big screen is actually be being projected by this thing and he said that the screens that they have to get in usually cost like forty or fifty thousand dollars, thirty five hundred dollars for a screen that is much for his needs, as good, if not Better, makes this a lot more palatable, a lot more interesting.

But he tried google glass and the microsoft holland said IT wasn't high resolution enough. But when when he saw the vision pro, he said, this is this is exactly what I been looking for. We were all blown away.

IT was Better than we even expected. He said, yes. So that I mean.

that's cool for product. Yeah I mean, that's because of both of those are mostly meant for like if you you're if you're if you're doing the repair on on a military jet, here is a way to have like the checklist of things you're supposed to be doing like accessible to your field division, not like I would have a tire virtual display that i'm looking at instead of what i'm actually looking at. So but yeah.

let's three ago we said but flack.

we are saying and all all the times we were trying to talk about the vision pro before I was released, when we knew anything about IT, that the one slam dunk of market for this is always going to be medical training vertical markets.

And there seems to be already a market for three thousand dollar, four thousand dollar heads sets like this in a couple of years when they come up with something that is more medical sts like that's when we will hopefully see things really turned up IT was surprising that we would talk about. You mentioned this little bit before earlier in the show that they're really developers seem to be really keen on taking an ipad up and and clicking the button to say yes, make this work conversion pro. They seem to be keen on basically doing a cake decorating job on an ipad APP where, okay, we will make this a native vision pro APP.

But IT essentially an ipad APP a to d ipad APP with more UI dinger's on of their specific to the vision pro. We haven't been seeing developers that are making amazing like creative apps with that. I mean that my favorite apps still for the vision pro is just the one where that play a video player that will let you choose what kind of a vintage or modern screen you want to watch IT on. So if you want to watch IT on, I love Lucy on a period appropriate TV, you can have that TV in your office and watch IT. That's interesting and that's .

vision yeah by .

a sandwich yes sorry, thank you.

Good one. Yeah yeah. I think that the um for me I me my number one used to still just watching movies and what I do a lot of um you know it's because for whatever reason, as I said before, my vision is sharper on the apple dv than anywhere else in the world and so I so I can see IT much more clearly um so I think that that is still the killer use case.

Um I do think that the problem with a lot of the apps I downloaded a lot of the apps and play with them and I usually play with them for five minutes and then go, okay, you know and IT feels like the developers don't get IT or don't just are still trying to earn the language like it's it's just a different language in different way of doing things like there's pieces of IT that really work. I still I keep on coming back to jig space. When I show someone how the the vision pro works, I always take them like OK open up jg space.

And the problem is the authority and total of jg space are either really expensive or hard to get to. I mean, not like anybody can just build that out. If apple put those tools into something like keynote IT would .

be a lot I would be be pretty interesting.

Um but I think that um I haven't seen very many apps that you play with them. And should I go I want to use this all the time and and I feel like and a lot of them, there was a big rush to get into the store and a lot of them, we're just kind of turkey and and I think that's the problem is, is that there's not that many people developing. The reality is, is that most of the apps on the APP store are .

kind of working you and so actual so many staff.

cally get a couple of and but but know ninety nine percent of the apps on the apps store not usable in my opinion um you know and so you know and so but the one percent is still so many.

So there's good there.

Just a math thing that well, there's there's still like .

even when there's weren't that many iphone apps out there, there are still some real standards i've always been looking forward to. And vince, i'm i'm still convinced is going to happen as the mac apple developers. They are the most creative, perceptive.

Think outside the box. I've got a great idea and i'm going to pursue IT whether this are market for this or not. I just think it's a great idea. Those are the same greatest minds in development that I I ve ever seen. And i'm kind of disapointment rest like so someone someone got the iphone is that, oh, you know, would be great.

Use the accelerator to make this the ultimate dice shaker and there's an awesome time shaker for and you love IT and you actually use IT and IT doesn't justify the entire expense of the iphone but you feel like, yes, this is something that I couldn't have had on any other device before this came along. And I just don't think that the same thing has been true for any of the outset of come up for the vision project. Maybe maybe that i'll change once more developers get a hold of IT once there is a larger market for IT.

I think that's probably the biggest stumbling block that and how the best developers is their time is literally translated into money. And are they they gone if they've got x hours in the week, even x hours in the week to do something purely for fun, are they they going to do this for something, something that maybe a few hundred people are going to be able, able even see little pay for? Or are they going to make another interesting twist for A A web up and interesting twist for the ipad of the iphone? It's going to be for the bigger audience.

So again, the long runway for the early days would have been great if apple had shown up something that really seemed to move the needle. They didn't. That's fine.

We'll stick with a if as rumor, they ship A, A bless expensive vision pro next year that that will produce the market once they're going .

to learn a hell of a lot from the launch of the of the of the vision problem. I think when the most important things they learned is that they sold the hell a lot the first month and then dropped down like a rock after that. So there are people who are interested in this thing, but none of them were good.

None of them were such happy customers that they convinced other people to see them to get a vision pro. And more of these things actually returned. They're going to stick with the idea if we wanted make the best of anything.

This another thing for that wall street journal, the good from the wall street journal article, like they are committed to doing the best of whatever they do. They're still committed that they are going to learn from that they are going to learn from continuing to look at what matter is doing. And they're going to figure out, okay, there is a happy medium here between creating a thirty five hundred dollar fanciful, this is the pinacle. This is an aspirational product and making something that is actually relevant to what people want to do with the are in this way.

that's sure they have a lot more input on what people are doing with that and what they want to do with that. For instance, if lying on the couch watching the ceiling movie on the ceiling is the number one thing people do, you could make a vision pro. This just a big screen, right? That doesn't have a lot of the other features.

I I also happened to think that in five or ten years time, we'll look back at the vision pro and we'll see IT as a platform that apple used to develop augmented reality like the actual like glasses. But that's .

not special computing and they seem all in on this idea.

Yeah, but they ve they've had an ample evidence right now. The people don't want to walk. People don't want this in their lives so far.

okay. While you're doing is creating a two ty APP that you can put virtual displays anywhere. People want to do that on a screen. They would much rather do that if they want to do that on a hone thousand advice or five hundred dollar vice. That will work.

I think that what will really crack IT for people is when people are wearing what seems to be a style of eyeglasses that nonetheless can give them interesting observations, interesting help, guided by AI. The just the ability of the killer demo for augmented reality is not virtual reality. It's augmented reality.

The ability to be looking at a screen like even if i'm just reading something on the web and saying I don't understand what's going on in that third illustration, the one that has the red lines on IT, what does this mean? And IT will explain like economic terms that is trying to illustrate and say, well, who created this and the ability not to the ability to be walking on the street and have a highlights. H, that's the building you're supposed to mean to somebody up.

But the idea of having to have footnotes, being able to have footnotes on very much anything you're looking at, that's going to be a killer thing once we have IT on a para glasses that might look like a very distinctive para glasses is just like the apple's airports pro are very distinctive looking. They know that it's a technical device, but they don't know. They don't think that you're wear ring, a big spirit ski gog's or something obnoxious on your face. That's the big deal. I think that the biggest value of the vision pros this is right now is feeding into the this next generation of stuff.

I I go at that else all. I really do think I still feel like it's a content thing and I don't know whether it's not just content but the type of apps and so and so forth. I don't see a lot of apps that i'm drawn to like, oh, I have to jump in and use that when I touch on, there are things again, I come back to jig space when I touch on that, i'm like, oh my gosh, I can see how this could be used all over the place all the time.

And and the problem is that there is no pipeline to generate the content into that. Like a apple again, if apple looked at jig space and sure lock them you with keynote, there be a lot of people using their ipad there. You know, someone over the apples, like two inches away from that because they have U, S, D, Z.

They have a lot of, you know, the problem with U S D Z IT doesn't really understand, uh, three d space for objects. And so IT IT can display something that just doesn't do IT very well. And so the the main thing is, is that as when you see that kind of thing of apple, I think apple has to make some of the content solutions easier. And I think you can see apple doing that with the black magic camera um which is probably the piece of technology that as someone who's been doing hundred eighty or three sixty for fifteen years and three teen a the black magic camera, if IT can live up to anywhere near what apple talked about A W W C is the most exciting thing that a lot of us have seen for a very long time because the ability to generate content with the software built in with the hardware there, um you know the built that's been something that has been missing forever.

Like IT is an art project to build a hundred native degree stereo spatial image, right? And so that's a solve, but apples got to solve other problems in that area and part of its educational developers, part of IT, is building the tools that if the developers are going to make IT easy and relatively inexpensive to generate the content apple needs to start like building the tools that allow them to do that because I think that you could um get know a key f for instance, I you kind of like, when are we're going to have something that shows us like you put the goggles on and put my furniture together without wearing so much. Know that be great, you know and and the the headset is capable of that.

We just don't see IT because the tools aren't there. And I think that this is gets back into the same problem that you know that I keep on coming back to the same problem with books. You know apple build A A cool platform, didn't fully finish IT and didn't get the right people building content for IT. You know and I think that know I think apples used to be the cute person in class that always gets what they want, you know and they're not used to actually working at anything, you know and and I think that they're not very good at working at things like they're at designing their own products really well, but they're not good at.

yeah that's amazing product.

But once he gets on the field, they're not good at working IT. Like you know, in my opinion, I think when the .

great quotes again for the whilst we journal articles is tim cooked talking about the vision problem is not that people are wrong and we're right. He says we have enough faith that if we love the product, there will be enough other people out .

there that love IT too. And then are we going to hear on the thirty first on the quarterly results, were going to hear anything about vision pro.

They were real quiet about the last time. I think that if you hear anything about IT won't be anything Angel in terms of sales. IT will be an an act like uh, surgeon using IT in a surgery or how there are one of things that really gets the analyst really excited when they talk about things like, oh, we have a deal with a fortune two hundred company that's deploying vision prows in their corporate environment to do training about something like they will tell a story about .

the absence of those stories is telling .

to the right yes. So I mean, well, yeah because I know what they want is is some amazing killer APP that they can mention in and that story that that kicked off this conversation is not wrong, that they there isn't one. And I don't think it's surprising that there are very many apps being develop right now because it's such A A small platform.

And I I think what you notice in that whilst journal article with tim cook is he acknowledges that the vision pro is a first step that's not for regular people and this for early adopters and is just like the first step in the process. And like that's the truth of IT. IT is not like any other rebel product.

It's not meant for the masses. Uh, I keep in saying on this show like there's nobody right now I would recommend the vision pro, right? Like IT doesn't make sense for anybody.

Now I would love for apple or one of apple le's developed partners to find a reason, but they haven't yet. And that's okay because again, I think they're in this for the long hall, but that's why we get all grumpy. Alex and I especially get grumpy about a the content part of IT because what little content there is, you can see that there's probably something there. But how long is going is going to take for that to come to fruition because if they could do a broadway series of immersive that you had to subscribe to, or an N B A thing .

that you could .

substance to, yeah, is two thousand dollars really more affordable? Well, it's more affordable than thirty five hundred dollars for sure. And if you've got a huge B A fan and you've got A N B A product or a broadway product, it's a lot easier to convince somebody to buy a two thousand dollars ads that than a thirty five hundred thousand. And it's not ideal, but it's a little bit Better. But but we're waiting for that thing.

I just about people who spent thirty five hundred box on of thinking IT was a finished real product. I mean, I spent more than on on the mac, the first mac, but IT was a real I mean, and there we're problems with IT, yes, but but IT was .

IT was something. And more than that, even with with the first mac, the first iphone, hold one of of these first, there are things you could do with that, their apps you could realize on that platform that you could .

not realize on any other platform.

So and so i'm start just .

a rap up.

The third and masters.

the disappointment with the vision pro is that all people are creating our two d apps that can easily be done on any other platform. You basically have a virtual screen connected to a pointing device in a keyboards. So that's why it's just not getting there yet.

Yeah, I think I do that to to your point that understanding the third space and really understanding what to do with that and how you can interact with that, I think is something that a lot of developers don't know and don't aren't thinking that way, you know.

And I think that, uh, I do think to apples credit, you know the fact that they collaborated with black magic to get a camera that can generate content that is a that is a spector higher than the quest. I mean, that's what apple needed, was a camera can generate content that you can't watch on the quest at the same levels. You can watch IT there.

And if that actually happens, I think IT changes because I think looking at emerge, there was a lot of things about emerged that I didn't particularly like um but there was an enormous chunk of IT that was like if I started seeing a how much movies like this, the two d screen is starting and I going to start looking old really fast like IT if they start putting out real shows and and even I think the place that apple could be doing this and you know is something like silo, feels like the perfect place to do this. A tightly enclose um you know and if you just did scene just one scene in one of the apartments or one scene somewhere else where you just get to go watch the silo scenes there to see what this might look like reimagined in that environment. You know I think that you'd end up with a lot of people being just, I don't know, to sell more headsets yet, but IT starts to help people really get the possibility of what's there.

And IT does feel like apples got a ton of powder still dry. Know they win all the snippets of things. I mean, obviously, they shot a lot more to get to the snippets. And the question is, was a lot of IT just not work, didn't not work or or did they. Um are they saving IT for something we don't know exactly .

what they're saving in IT for? And that's your vision prosecution. Play the outre.

Now you see you know we talk in the vision pro.

Just you want .

to send me those cuts, I could put them on my a steam deck, stream deck, and then you want to have to listen to the segment.

No, I like listen this.

okay. Just when you go, you roll right into a quickly, will give me the open, then that way i'll know, I know where i'm going and instantly I didn't give you a plug. Jason snail, but Jason review of the mac mini is about six colors that I I ipad, god, I keep check.

I know that's why they didn't announce the same day, right?

You so familiar friend to that get I refresh.

Yes, that's that's my nice way of saying there's nothing new support and .

and we can see you're reading the nova incident. Are you enjoying IT .

that I ve already read actually but I was looking at, like what books do you have an eyeball? Ks, that they're going to eye oud. And I just in for this a plus dad morning novel. Why not good .

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By the way, Anthony elson says, who wants a vision pro? If the tiktok live stream out of any indication of vision pro interest, the room cleared out soon as we started talk and vision pro, you get the feedback right away from the tiktok algorithm IT IT is not shy IT lets you know andy and echo pick of the week. I mentioned .

earlier that I kind of stop using wearing smart watches at the start of the summer part of IT was that, oh, wow, here's I can buy a like cheap asic. Twenty dollar eos is red and is cheerful.

and you always know where the tide is.

So no, this is the basic twenty dollar like OK believe and believe me, like all summer along have been looking other cheap cassio's side OK change the seasons time for a new watch, something will bit like less festive. So I got to the the casio tide graph, the seventeen hundred .

OK I saw your post on this. I love IT and it's so ten year battery kids for eight .

ten year battery b waterproof till like fifty metres or something like that. But I was so curious to see IT says, oh, what else IT hasn't indicator here for? Like what what's the current phase in the moon and what is the tide right now? And like how the hell does a thirty dollar smart watch figure that out? And i'll be damned.

It's it's hard to set up. But once you set IT up, like it's at the form, it's it's absolutely accurate. Answer, the question is that IT is simple math, but IT needs a whole bunch of data for your location that would come out of an ominous.

You need to know your attitude. You're not launch ude. Do you need to calculate the luna title val, which also means you need to know the moon transit, what time is the next time? I, not that hard, just that took me like three or four tries.

And you still buy the watch. But where do you get all poor formers all in that? Where do you get that?

okay. Well, the manual again, we're talking about the manual exercise for book of matches and has four long years in IT has rough tables. You can consult this. But there's actually an online calculator for lunch tle interview and after screaming IT up a couple of times because I didn't really read the instructions very, very well, I again, just a couple of google is your friend. After a couple of google searches, you will get the data you need.

I have to admit though, that IT wasn't until like the recent full moon a couple of days ago, but I was absolutely certain that after two weeks, yes, this is create the words read, it's fall. And I, and it's a, it's a hell of a thing. I mean, it's it's fun to know.

I do live near the ocean, so high tide is kind of object of interest. And sometimes I like to take picture, so it's nice to know you curious ly know what phase of the moon is going on. But most only for the reason why every watch, including apple watches, but mostly mechanical watches, have lots of public complications. It's just fun to look at the your watch and get the time, but also to see all kinds of other stuff on IT.

What's the tide right now?

Where are we right now? A tide is coming in. High tide will be soon. Just like it's like a dial with six segments to IT. So the black the black bars of the top is high time and the black bars, as at the bottom is low tide. And in between, you can see if the tide is coming in or coming out.

cool. It's one one hundred. The cost of pro, you could buy one hundred of them and one thousand of them and you can go swimming a thousand of them even more than once.

Ah I I mean i've become like a super fan. My mamas on wish list has like at least ten different like cashier watches from fifteen to like fifty dollars on IT. And i'm sure that it's the rule of three. Once I do this the third time, once I decide, oh, it's winter, I need to buy a new casio watch that's going to have to be introduced.

that I buy a new chep plastic screws are they actually screws IT?

Just no, they're no, they're moted in. That's the only part of that. I don't like style like A G shock watch, just not A G shock style like one.

But but the great thing about cassio making the same styles, this is a bad way, a brand new move. They just came out with this in twenty twenty four. However, because they make these in the millions and caginess, they are really keep on trying to make things really efficient. So if I were to unscrew the back of this and take out the module, I could put the same module, that the moon tide module, into a whole bunch of other different casio watches. So I wanted this to be more less of a like fake crews, something more streamline.

I could buy a twenty two dollar of other model watch in this begg line and just switch the modules, or I could, or I could go to ally express, pay twenty three dollars and get a stainless steel case that this module will fit in and all the buttons will work and stuff like that. So yet it's quite a thing and it's a lot of fun. But it's also a fun knowing that like even if i'm not buying a really expensive smart watch for two hundred and fifty dollars, I can buy a ten to fifteen of these watches and just have one for every mood, every day, every sense of life. I'm so glad they .

still make these. They just so cool there.

So even even, by the way, not a retro thing either. So this that remember the eighties, now we bring the eighties back, but that, no is they just never stop making them as my fact, the the the cheapest casio watch is like fourteen, fifteen dollars. You will you recognized if you see IT, apparently like there's a if you wear one, the tsa, there's a really height and chance will pull you over for special inspection because IT is known as like the favorite watch of like terrorists because it's so cheap .

that can hand them out.

Oh my god. The other positive thing and I .

keep and it's really a selling point, the other favor.

watch, give you another selling point. I haven't bought this up, but i'm i'm trying to i'm trying to like think about spending sixty or seventy dollars for just a toy. Interesting thing to play with there is there is an engineer who has built an alternative board for that sixteen dollar watch that actually makes IT into a smart watch that will give IT like that.

You can actually program IT and will I will have like you can have a step counter IT will have a temperature sensor, it'll have a bunch other stuff and of course, that uses the same LCD display. So it's kind of funky that way. But I love the idea of having what looks like a cheap thrown away, like cow machine, sixteen dollar watch, that is actually a very, very capable weird things, like having a double of seven watch that can shoot laser beams bolly. Just like tie the temperature.

the cassio tide graph w seventy, one hundred eight, thirty five dollars. At your local cascio .

dealer or .

amazon as the case? Maybe alex lin zy pick a week.

So I was I was travel and talking to C J. Co villas is is someone in one of our hosts on on office hours and time of the fact that you know I was watching the middle of horizon and whatever, watching IT on the plane in my my apple vision diis like I have a battery, all the batteries I have kind of worn out and so he suggested and I am a hooked on these anchor, a power bank um and this is what the twenty seven hundred M H um uh so this is this is what that looks like.

I actually this is funny because I ask this question on, ask the and I and I looked around, I searched around cause somebody wanted to battery to power their vision pro. And I found the same thing. Look at that.

That is, IT is the coolest thing ever. So I have yet use IT to charge anything. So what I have IT.

I have IT, and a couple things I ging. And this shows you show that shows you what each port is doing IT shows you how much time, if you if you're drawing, how much he's going to be left when your charging IT shows you how much time it's gonna for IT to do to to charge how many watts it's pulling. You know through these, through the the here is capable of putting out a fair amount of power.

So if you want to do something with your computer or apple vision pro or or anything else that you might be power in your phone, it's it's going to be able to handle IT. Um it's a lot of it's a lot of battery um that's there. Um it's got like a little charger that I didn't.

I didn't buy the whole kit. You can have a little thing that you can set this down on and a automatically charged and I didn't didn't go out that far. So but this is I mean, this is going to be the new thing that goes into my um you know into my backpack so that I can that I that I Carry is kind of my standard.

It's not too heavy and it's a little big.

but it's not too I mean, i'm ready. It's it's a ninety nine over the ninety nine hour .

limit at the time of the living.

And so I can't get any bigger than that. And and and so I am used to wait on my backpack. So so it's so the and I am really did and I needed one. As I look like i'm be doing more flying over the fall, i'm pretty excited about having something that I can continue to watch my apple .

vision pro perfect cross the ocean.

the ability to not I recently bought like the first power bank that is capable of, like charging in powering my macbook, like as I go, and the ability to no longer have to care necessarily about the charge state of my macbook when I leave for the day for for of going up that's worth .

hundred bugs to me yeah yeah power power delivery. Pd, three point one, so two hundred fifty watts, that's amazing you that's really.

really that means being able to charge your your macbook and your iphone at the same time to high street .

yeah .

and I like IT as is a little dog to charge at home. So you just put as a little pogo pins you just put on the dock yeah just charged and stay ready, ready to go also bluetooth capable .

yeah and I think that they the to mean being able to know what everything's drawn and how much time I have asked and all the other things having all that data on the front is very useful. So it's good.

IT also has temperature for some reason. It's seventy five degrees right now.

No, they were like, hey, do you want temperature .

gage on this?

Like a chip we're using has a temperature sensor. Do we should be put that on score? More .

stuff on Green is .

more stuff on .

the screen.

please. Jis, now you're pick of the week. My, yeah.

it's kind of a tougher. I realized with a shocked that we haven't recommended divi resolve since for a recommended and andy and twenty twenty, wow. And so i'm going going to mention so divi resolve, this is from black magic and they have a proverbial that you can pay for but they have a free version and this is, uh, none any other video, either thing, software and cole correction and a whole bunch of other things.

IT is free. It's also works something ipad, and this is free. So if you end up in a so here's a story.

We do a video version of my other pot h upgrade with my harley. And, uh, my good friendship suburb is our video editor. And apparently our show yesterday was so great that IT blew out the logic board .

on this macbook pro. Oh boy.

And so I needed to do a version of the show today. I didn't need to I wanted to not have the show just disappear for a week on youtube and uh I use a plug that i'm going to mention in a minute to do this and the chip uses to um and I thought, do I really want to get up her mere trial or something because this plugin does not work with final cut, which is what I prefer.

I hope that they will add that and then I thought, oh, but I can also just they have a bit a version that works with the venture resolve and it's it's free again, I say to you, IT is free. So if you want to do some video anything and would like something that uh is up from I movie and you aren't going to pay for adobe premiere or a final cut probe, probably maybe if you don't know about IT, try to vince resolve because again, I can't save this enough. It's free OK. It's real legitimate professional video on an example for free. So that's I will .

also say that even though he can afford to use any solution in the world, salt hank uses to vinci for .

all there's a there. The other thing about IT is, is that black magic service engineers like yes, resolve evolving much faster than everything else around. Yes, like it's not there's like I mean, it's multiples of everybody else's engineers.

So so you know this is something that black magic is it's not like a side project or something that we're kind of keeping in the you know or ARM know just keep IT moving forward. There are just incredible amounts of new features, every single rounded. And it's it's a core piece of the technology that they are building.

And so I think that that is um you know a real I use resolve about half the time. So if i'm in a rush, I open up final cut because I just knock out if I if I need to do precision and precision um color, precision audio those type of things, I quickly I don't consider doing anything other than resolved for those things. And and so the fact that is the higher solution and o by the way, there is a free version pretty impressive.

And the studio version, by the way, comes with every black magic camera you can buy the editing thing that that makes IT faster and IT comes with the full. So you you buy the the controller for three hundred dollars and the software comes with IT. And so and they and unlike you know, they like like apple.

No, they don't. You when you if you buy the studio version, if you decide that the extra tools are necessary, um you uh you're they've never charged run upgrade. So it's just like, oh, now you have the studio version and you can have that for all.

And every time we have created, you've able to use that as well. And so I feel like it's very hard to compete with that level of we're going to spend way more money than everyone else developing the software, going to give a way a free version. We're going, you know and and never charge you from upgrades.

IT feels like .

pretty amazing. Yes, it's it's a really amazing piece software and I just second and yeah .

so that's part the first part of part. The second is this amazing plugin that I found originally just for premier, which is not my first choice of video I think software but you know you can I and if you love IT great I just I don't love but I know how to use IT. It's fine.

Um and now they have a beta version that works with the venture. Resolve again, please. I hope they will eventually do a final cut version because I would really like that.

It's very clever. It's called auto pod, I may imagine here before. But just to say, begin, it's a subscription plugging and here's what he does for the upgrade, a podcast.

For example. We don't have a director who's directing the show live. We don't even see each other's video, but we do record video.

And then in your non la reda, I pop my video mix video, my audio mix audio, and go into auto pod and say, okay, track one is mix video. Track two is my video. Track three is my audio.

Track four is mics audio go. And then IT uses an AI algorithm to determine based on when we are talking. But not like if one of us blurts out IT briefly cuts to the other one IT builds a series of shots.

And if you've got a third shot, that's both of you, IT will actually build a one shot and then another little switch between the one shots. And then I go to two shot and back to the one shot. And that allows me to generate A, A from source video, a version of the show that is basically key off of our voices, but is directed essentially to cut back and forth in minutes, in in A, A minute or two.

And I can export that to youtube. And it's the difference between us being able to do a youtube version of our podcast and not doing IT. And so and that's why they built IT auto pod.

It's literally could you make a video version of a podcast without having without taking like the zoom feed or having like we do hear an actual human being directing IT. And for a lot of podcast, those aren't options. So auto pod is a kind of mind blowing. And if you use premier or now to venture resolve, um really worth checking out if you're in that situation or or you wish to be or you thought as we did that, we were never going to be able to do IT because there's no way we were going to be able to pay somebody to sit down for hours to go through and and cut the show. So yeah I highly recommend both of them and glad that alex is given eight extra thuds up to division result.

Don't worry gena ashly, I have absolutely no intention of replacing you. So how much does auto part cost? No, no dorit.

What you can what you don't get .

is you know the lower thirds .

and you .

get the vision is a pretty. Simulation if you cannot afford to have another human brain running your your video board while you're recording your podcast with a lot of people?

no. And john d as a whole lot more than just sit there. Push buttons. I believe I think i'm not sure about probably in all likelihood.

we love you, man. I like fifty .

genes are producer, our technical director.

they said they were a whole software package to try to emulate one tiny part of what john does and doesn't really IT just doesn't good enough job, but not like having. So that's my other pick.

My third pic is john H. I pick genre. You know, he's been put up.

I'm being picked on. Thank you.

Yeah, I know for jane. I picked on a Mercedes sly. He is going to do in the tiktok clipsed. And we've actually get some traction on some of our tiktok clips. I think the mac mini clip that you put up on tiktok, what I got like thirty, forty thousand likes, are some so right .

like that.

I think the one that got the most likes, more than one hundred thousand, was the thing we did about getting sorts in microsoft windows. So I don't know what's going on. I know I don't stand ticals .

think that .

it's all like people dancing and there is a whole communities that don't like every time I I start with a new account, tiktok, like grab new phone, I want to use my account. You're like, how could anyone watch this? This is the most horrible thing I ve ever seen. And then within like an hour or it's like locked .

into whatever you yeah IT s algorithm is really quite brilliant. I'm just looking, this is our tiktok. It's twit.

Tok, get IT clever. T W I T, T, O, K, very clever. And if I can sort this by the top right, the most viewed fifty thousand for that from twit. Um is is this from tweet is on the .

twit talk at .

the very time? I think first.

oh, this is somebody else. No wonder you got somebody views. Okay, something went wrong. This always happens. I don't know why.

And then how do I sort IT by the here? Let's see the popular, these are the most popular ones. There is Richard camel two and thirty thousand are those likes reviews two hundred, three thousand on the third.

And then this is the many one, thirty three thousand. What's this one? Oh, that's just, that's us. That's this right now. It's just live on twitter talk. So yeah, you know, that's pretty good two hundred thirty thousand it's not solve hack numbers but i'll take IT, i'll take IT. Um and so just actually you help do those right you do the we .

actually so we actually use um A I use and opposes .

the key .

just you throw IT in and IT comes back .

with .

forty options and you're like and rank them and you go I can't tell .

us about is because IT does the the captions right well.

And then I also actually take the time I can go through because perfect jobs I always .

tried actually take time.

And I should like, oh, this is, why is he talk about this? I take that out that I actually put another section.

And so but I have noticed that when I we're funny hats, we get a little bit more traction. So i'm just test in that out right now just to see if that works on tick tock. Thank you, john.

Ashly, thank you. Jason snow, thank you, andy and oco, thank you alex. Linz, y you find alexa office hours to global every a day of the week talking about production and all sorts of stuff.

I did um um I did do that because if I mean because if you believe that the tomorrow is .

Better than today than .

also you got to .

you ve got a picture .

that cause I A couple the wall .

street journal is Better than today and then we have.

what's your hold? And I got a couple of here. So we have another train, had another train that just made up there. Did you say something .

about trains in your note?

No, just thought. And then going IT looks.

pulling a building. I like that .

picture that's there. I think that was a pretty good one and then he comes up.

you must be using what are you using because pickture is a trademark er than the corporation.

I just put the quote in and gave, but I ve set up to like one hundred percent .

like go crazy and don't think .

about guy really yes, about anything got .

to pick you there and .

I was like, so anyways, I think that .

was fun then we have so happy yeah, look at that. And then, okay, by the way, on that.

this one starting low, like tomorrow might be .

going our choices .

in a .

quick reminder by the way, is did we did the um the sonic sunshine benefit uh 点 com？ How do they go? Well, you know just such a great to and folks you .

can see IT right?

Yeah sonic sunshine if you go to sonic sunshine and benefit dot com, please donate to the uh to the to the fine folks that are there. You can watch the um you can watch the stream there there there's some life performance is is there is a lot of people who who um literally phoned in like recorded IT with their phone and some great performance is there but there is also some light performances of including a barnet ladies and um as well as told the what's locket and so there is life from uh luba university of southern versy of line .

and and I was the .

other usc the what they say is the original U S .

so anyway so anyway so so .

check that out and we had a great time um and just a great great bunch of artists to work with was really fun.

very nice, really cool sonic sunshine benefit dot com to donate they need the money and you get a great concert and alexa a year the best office hours that global and never forget the show he does with Michael crazy gray matter dot get run .

LV on to talk about the election this friday old boy I don't know.

I am so anxious that I don't think I can take any more input. Just going to with me in two weeks everybody .

should vote though.

I voted looking that already voted. I voted. I got that's nice. They give you the badge. You could i'm going to save IT and put IT on later, just to remind people to on the fifth and an ico gb h is calling thursday.

twelve, thirty eastern time. Go to W, G, P, H, ng. That me to a liver later.

Very nice. It's great to have you in your beautiful library looks like a nice day, go outside n and enjoy the time.

It's unseasonably warm, but not so warm as to make you not want to be outside.

And though that's what you're looking for, mr. Js, smell is that six colors stop comedy is a review of the ipad, many there and all sorts of other great stuff. He also does a million podcasts. They're all listed at six colors are comes like Jason, they plug something, yeah, go my ipad.

Many review, I ve managed to get like two thousand words about the product that basically didn't change marvel edit.

Had I read that, I wouldn't have bought a brand new case for seventy dollars. So right there you could have, say me.

big box you .

can use well, anyway, that's you know, apple gets most of my income. That's the way this thank you for joining us. We do that rate weekly every tuesday, eleven and episodic two pm eastern time, eighteen hundred UTC.

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