The Best Bass Lure of All Time? - Bryan Thrift on Chatterbaits
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Welcome the best universe life basis. I hope you got your english coffee. I do going to be a great show.

One of our um one one of our I don't know what would we call him like veteran speakers for sure. Brian threat is going to be with this today. H brian.

what's champion speaker for sure?

Yeah he's a well, he's he's a super chain. He's won on all levels and and continues to win over and over. And um he's competing now over at major league fishing and um we're glad to have them with this today.

He's been he's spent a guest force number times and on the show as well as a speaker in class, one of our most popular speakers. So it's like to have with this a brand or to be here with us shortly. And uh we welcome to the show.

Glad to be here. It's it's just unbelievably crazy whether or that keeps the the water temperatures warm. Uh, can you believe rich were still sixty degree water temperatures out there right now?

Yeah it's pretty wild. And I imagine by the um by by come later this week, it's gonna even more than that probably into the sixties you know we got two days that are going to be hanging hanging around eighty degrees for the warm as part of the day. So that water tone stay words add， at least it's going to keep getting get more more and man, that seems like the fish just keep keep beaten and keep in bigger and and just, uh yeah it's a interesting stuff. It's going on fall all to be pushing its White further and .

further back on the calendar and is sure doesn't more excited for hosting a friend of the show um mr culture the culture other and son were hosting this week looking forward to taking those those guys fishing. Uh I was fortune ough to uh meet rich culture who was a boat rep for championing boat way back in the day and really was an internal part and helping me get my fishing career up and off the ground and his gun.

Now who is um competing over the best proto or the B P T? Yeah I got that right. Yeah and is is going to come on and visit with us.

We visit with them uh down IT at watch bar and uh rendings place and we're looking forward to having them come up come up and hopefully those big first keep biking. Rich I know um i've got a i've got rich. We might have to a rich culture. We may have to go dual small outfight.

I'm sure that's gonna to be on the agenda. I mean, rich culture was A A was A O G small mouth hammer on yeah the the the upper part of the bay for us. But yeah, it's going to be cool.

You know it's gona be can refund to a get rich culture and his old team partner out and Brandon and and his uncle and I have a good time out there and stay tuned on the bayou uh socials will be will be posted some stuff from that day um you know should be a should be a funding. We might even go alive at some point the day. So so stay uh stay on top of the uh B U pages to maybe see what's going on.

Well the big news this week um that you know was on the tip of everybody's tongue is the entry fees being removed from the bast master at series turley um you know I guess I was IT was released last week and I just IT continue to be talked about. We're not talking about IT a little bit um today because they just so polarizing was surprising to me to see how many how many guys really stood out against IT and wanted to didn't want to see that changed because the entry fee or the end the payoff s had changed um in such a way that they felt like it's going to impact their ability to to make as much next year.

And and I get you know I understand that argument, the arguments from the other side as well, which are few right there were there were few, just a few people um that are behind that that decision um I happened we one of those few I find myself in the minority on this IT seems because I think it's an amazing thing um that you know guys, you're going to do not have that burden net. Cosplay will will dive into that a little bit later and interested in your feedback. G guys, what do you think is that a positive thing for the sport? Is IT a? Is IT not? I mean, I I wanna know, uh, because we're going to be diving into and even when ask brand about even though he doesn't fish over there, uh, i'm sure he's a you pin through that process and interested in his opinion for sure yeah .

yeah but today we're talking about a something near dead of all of us uh chatel or h blade jig fish chat by fishing, whatever you want to call. Uh it's going to be going be fun diving with brian on that he's been on he was on the absolute front side of chat. F, P, while you had IT in your boat and never came out the packaging. Brian was went in hundred thousand. So it'll be it'll be great to uh to to take a walk down memory lane, uh, with that. But guys, as always, uh, we have a couple of things um we have a couple of things going on during the show um since we are alive, we're going to doing a couple of give ways we're going to be doing to like and share out there on the social so like and share this uh, you have a chance to win a crush city package um and then later on in the show, we're going to do a trivial um and that's going to be for some the man chatter bates and a bh university he had so uh I can share the feed and stay tuned attention because we're going to ask a question from the show uh about what we do about the Price itself.

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I know you've been in the classroom with this a bit. You've been on the show with the service. I think you might be number one, we might have to send you a trophy.

And that work i'm glad to accepted. I'm looking forward to and appreciate you invite me on and actually looking forward to get down the end. South korean and jane, this year too. I'm going to be an instance there. So you give me a lot .

of fun yeah we that you let the cat out of the back, right? We did.

Uh, yeah, we we been given that on the damn low, but we were now let's go. We were wanted. You did IT in a cool wake because we've you we've got a lot of speakers lined up. We've got that classroom filled, and we're just waiting to get a few of the eyes dated and tea cross um we can announce that that full list of speakers and uh yeah you're what you're obviously one of the chance of god to have you there uh, especially in that area because you I mean that you're necked of the woods, man, you've you from north CarOlina, south cargo know how to fish those bodies.

Occasionally I I get a few hiccups when I get on some of those here and likes, but I ve done fairly way or I think I feel like i'm getting the hang of the hair vision a little bit now .

still .

not going to say I enjoy IT, but get there and know .

what to do O K, 我 我 speak to that。 I I just a what's going on now with the hearing lakes? Like what what do the fish do in the fall?

So a lot of times what they have do in the early fall is one of the best bike i'll get out here with the sit and water they are bike top waters, the bike you know self plastic flukes now weight um and just theyll come to the surface really easily. And then what you have at, like turn over, they tend to go to the bottom. They're still on the same areas. They just won't chase bates up, but you can still get them to buy with the bottom techniques.

Okay, well, the water temperatures are uh are and they're not coming down here. I guess they're taking their time and that make the woods as well.

Yes, we've got I was actually looking at the long range forecast next week this morning and were still in the low amid seventies. The nights are getting colors, so that's all cold water. Now on nights are below fifty. It's going get that water tone down there in the low sixties.

Anyway, what did did that hurray e affect you? I know IT IT affected a lot of people in that region. Did that affect you?

Um we didn't have nearly the extended damage that they have wasted me about thirty or forty 4。 We were without power for five days. I think a lot of trees down like IT was pretty bad around our house as far as the trees and lose and power things like that.

But we didn't see the flooding. So i'm cutting the foot heels just out the mountain. But many know thirty, forty miles west may just got destroyed with that flooding, with all that water coming down the valleys and down the river. IT was terrible, but they're still terrible.

But a lot fortunately, we were we weren't a part of the flooding scenario, but definitely a lot of trees down and mean, there's steel trees on the side of ads where you see where people have come on which change souls and put on more. They just had been removed totally off the sound of the road. But you know, everybody's get power back in my area for now, and everything is pretty clean, pretty good to go.

Well, that's great that you guys got missed by a little bit. I know the the draw of the positive side of IT was a lot of the lake. That field though.

yeah, you have the likes, you have full in a hurry and you know there's still water coming down. You know like the thing about like a lot of the water that follows admirin north koa and in the mountain IT runs down through Georgeous south and three t the survey river system. So, I mean, all that water going out to atlantic ocean through the Cooper river, C N T, river down, very light. Murray, all last day, C N T just actually started given net water. Waiter, so go .

woo w, wow. yeah. I guess there's there's that massive delay that you you don't really think about what, uh, some of the folks are glad to get the water. I know that that's true, but thoughts and prayers out to those that are still being impacted by, we hope we hope those guys get back on their feed. I know they're working at IT right now, but um but I wanted ask you a question um is the chatter bate the greatest law of all time?

It's the greatest lower of my I will say that and ah I think it's been a rain and been in the end story long enough now of IT IT probably does qualify as the greatest slow of you got to think the chat bate was first introduced um probably to the well not to the world but to the local community here around in the late nineteen nineties, early two thousands. And then I became main stage in two thousand and five, two thousand and six. And it's been a world way in every day, every last day. And so we're creaked up on twenty years of z man trovo .

dominance. No, kid, what the I was reading on the site and IT looks like debate was developed in the age.

yes. And I think this went wrong originally had the concept of IT, and you know, made the first ones.

how intellect, the delay. That's only twenty five years. This magic tool is sitting and nobody y's using IT yet. That's crazy to think about you.

And you know how fish are, i'm sure ron held in this name them there. I know.

I know. I've told this story. You I had IT a writer gave IT to me at SAT my boat for like two or three years IT wasn't until you came on the scene and blast them down that all of that my eyes got open like, oh, this isn't a stupid way.

You know this, oh yeah, this really works. But then that's crazy this to think about that if you were if you were bold enough to take that law in the eighties and start working with IT, oh my gosh, keep in a quiet. You could have want you got one million dollars. We were anybody ever.

That's very true.

That's that's very it's .

almost like things worked for a reason because I feel like IT came out at the opportune tab like i'm gonna that the industry was stale in the mid two thousands, but there had been a long time. This is a new league market. And I feel instead of the chatter bate that, that filled a nature in the industry and you know, IT created a lot of innovation after the chatter bate came about just because people were you know, they were viewing the success of the chatter back and you know, they wanted to be the next company to come up with, you know, like, what's the next generation? So IT IT really gave the whole industry of a shot rejuvenation and get excited to get.

well, IT did IT. They really did in. And they they called numbers, officially called giants.

And at one term, that's crazy about that too, but I gotto ask this question, I mean, the sanko, I mean, you the single or a chat rate, right? There's the two in our time, right? That that's right. That is IT. And you're given the nod to the chatter break.

I've gotta give the nod to the chatter back just because diversification ity, and you can catch three hundred sixty five days year. Well, you probably came with the sink as well if you tried IT that I feel like, you know, a chat back is is feasible to have for IT to be a dominant pattern, three hundred sixty five days a year quicker.

good. And you know I think of you, they added different variations with the fat, thin OS and the smaller versions itself like that, but is still a small plastic like it's still IT is what IT is in with the chatter way, you know with the the continued evolution of IT. You've got small chatter way to get big bay chatter way to get, you know, out in the quarter. Chatter bates, one out chatter bates, all the way to have little meeting eight thousand. Ces, so there's really no time type of bake Fisher, any type of four of mass feeds zone that you can't imitate with some form of A Z man and gentleman.

Yeah I believe that to be true. I would did you have the answer to this question? Um and and I don't know that um well, how many have been sold? Do you have any?

I could mad I didn't even tell them how many he's been sold. Especially nail with as many different products as they have with the chatter bate you know under the chatter bate umbrella. Then i've got five of my favorite laid out here on the table and there's ten more than women sale that are all great cheat. So I could imagine how he's been suffered. I I can't imagine there's not a best, freshest out there if IT doesn't have at least one box for generates.

You're right. And uh you know there are everywhere like you can go to the the the small lest tackle shop that that just has. They have barbers and hooks and theyll have a chat a bit section on the. And then you go to, you know the biggest tackle stores out there and they've got you know all ten varieties with million different combinations. So I I remember the the little George remember that bit that uh they with the big selling point was a million soul you know uh and I got ta think that the chat rate gotta be, you know yes.

the theory way more than .

that what's good stuff well name I know um you know you were at the four front of this and you've got a you brought some stuff to show and tell out there right? I don't know throat and the what what's the first one you want to talk about?

Well, I only only set out five sails. Es five, five at my. I Carry in the book with me all the time, every turn ment, whether i'm in flat, a new yorker, texas.

But there, like I said, there's a lot of different variations that are great that I have in other boxes for specific type scenario is like the the smaller chatter bates, like the the micro and the wheel of ab. Those are two great bates for school ling fish. The downsides of you not time to throw them without the skirt, just put like a small minor self plastic on there. But I I think what will focus on the days your main categories ies, your main gentlemen.

okay, the will, the willow one is something that is a unusual to me. I didn't keep here people talk about that but uh but I haven't dove .

into that um yeah it's kind of help you the will of ab. And as far as a change big goes, it's a tone down version of a chatter bait. Cash really well, is got a tiger varberg.

So when does your chain or shared, I think IT make that a little Better. Open water fish spotted best, especially around very like, Normal, like art wall. They really love that, willa, a love to throw IT overrated burn IT on flats, meaning time.

They are chased the most smaller shared. So is a great mate for that. And cause that stays down in the water.

Color pretty good, as you can grow the three eight on twelve pio line, fifteen piano, and you can want IT pretty fast and still keep IT fast. Six feet in the water. coal. So this is the cold little bit.

Yeah, the rich Justin, I don't know, have you got cause we got all that little bit shared running around are are bay right now on a wondering if either one of you guys have have given that A O I have.

A, I, I have not.

But x little, a little small, six, eight. There are three, six states. And put, I like to put that little three inch to maki armor chain on.

There is a smaller profile and real thing. So IT doesn't create a lot of drag, and you can want IT pretty fast and keep IT down. And IT is a good combination, especially for these late fall bite windows like we're in right now. Or fish should chase the smaller shared.

I think rich is head down. I think he's ordering from tackle direct .

right now. and.

Uh that's that's awesome. Um I why don't you pick up which you got there right to show me what you working?

Yeah let let's start out to the newest and from this. And so everybody's real familiar with most of the quality chatter basic man makes and say the jack hamer was one of the most popular. But here recently of last year, z man came out with a new evo chat bate. So IT was a high quality chat by with premium components at a little Better Price point than you're jack of that example.

Yeah.

it's a great day. Is got the and see the IT puts the size the head print and on there now this is a laid head charter by evil, is built on a premium hook. See nice quality hook and is actually got two hook keepers.

What I really right and keep your trailer up there perfectly. You get to wa keeper here and the late on there to hold that bid on there a little bit tired and you're not change to trailers quite as often all same time score. So this was a new when they came out with last year.

And the end for this year, they actually stepped IT up and came out with the chat by evo content. So this is the the same chater bate is the same shape, same hook. You just has a ton and hair on IT.

And you can see, i'm going to show you, so both of these are three, eight to announce. And you can see this head as difference. That short truth likes the talks to look bigger.

But you can you can see how much bigger that laid is. And what that's going to do is the most in check by will actually stay down in the water column a little bit Better because you don't have quite as much drag. So I can burn IT a little faster and just keep fishing a little bit deeper than I can.

The regular lahey, please can usually a little more compact design so if I want a little more famous, I can dream that skirt up and just make that tune to eo have a little bit small er profile and you can a Normal size shader bates, so that is the two newest suffering from. And then another one that I ve fAllen in love with, probably the last, I don't know, two or three years, the meeting max. So I have a meeting max shared in admission four, fit to James river, throwing IT out almost exclusively this year in the B, P.

T. And act out a turn official. This mate is got a nice violation in a smaller packaging.

This is the mini max right here. I should have trim a scared up, because I usually trim this bit right behind the hook. So sea house small, that blades show.

So this is traditional Janet ma. Here you can see blame comparison for the meeting. Max is fifty percent small, or if not, seventy percent smaller. So IT gives you a little tired. Evaporation is built on a quality hook smash. Cook, i'd say, is probably about the two or three out, have a package here to tell you exactly, but is a great make for kitchen fish and get a lot of bikes. And the way artifically fish this bait is, as I said earlier, I want this big to be as small as possible.

The whole point of a meeting me to throw A I can just tell that a chat by evo or jack hammer or something like that but when i'm thrown this mini max pull, make a man in a sharper at quick so i'll call that current down. I'll pinch IT down next to the shake that hook, and I hold a, grab the base of the hook and hold IT with my point of finger, my thun, so the hoo, the bend of the hook right there. And then I want to take my scissors and cut IT about eighth inch, pass that hook, and that's really gonna short net chat beta and give you a nice mile profile.

And then I can take my small trailer, whatever SaaS trailer i'm going to use them. Typically i'll take like i'll get this to make the army chair, 是 when they put IT on， see the process. So this is the family h to make your own shared.

And you know, most would saying, why don't you put the three inch out there? So I like the family Better on a chat back, because the tails a little bit longer, a little bit dinner, and you get just a little more action. You see just the slide, this little queer, or gives that tail a good cake.

But what i'm going to do, i'll take that for each the army shed, and i'll lay IT up on the bit about to wear what I won't my trailer to look like. So that's about the distance. I want my trail of that hook.

So i'm going to market with my fingers here. And then i'm simply going to take the scissors and i'm going to cut that trail down. And then I can read IT up on the hook of this meeting, max, that I trim, cut on and get IT exactly the distance that I won on that bit.

So when I thread upon here. Good, thanks. Fired away here right .

up with that minimize on the pattern.

I know tell .

me through one .

good named brian and tell me he's disappointing.

No, I don't. I don't, brian, to listen to and exactly the same.

i'm here to listen to me. So that is my mini max, enough with that to make your our shared and he could see just the slightest little quiver that blame tails go for my be shaken from having a little bit of caffeine this morning get so every time that blade auto lays back in fourth, that tales gonna y and is gonna very natural. And is that great mate for geeta? Lot of bikes, and you might say, well, you know, a smaller package.

So you're not any fish for many big fish, but have called a fair a mount of forward five pounders on this mate and know at the games three were last year was both lap and ford. To have founders on that minimize shared by wouldn't have any any issues at all. So you can see even have a lot of so you can see how you still got a big area from the point to the shake of the hood, you're still got a lot of bike to hold those bigger fish in a smaller packaging. This is A A cool new addition to the chat by lana that was introduced probably three years ago. Now yeah.

it's a slick little bit. We've adopted IT too. We just we were wrestling with that one of the tournament this year and bike, we're all screaming around to see how many we got and you know uh, trying to get ready for that bike because there was a lot of very small bit run around, uh, yes, the patch ic in june and we were rich, Richard had got on A A decent pattern IT.

IT was difficult to stay with, unfortunately forced through the tournament. But but yeah, we we love that big. But I I wanted to take you back to the evils for a second because I had a help. I A question like the one are the are is the lead and the tongues gonna be sold that they switch completely over, touch them on those banks. What what's happening with that?

No, is is too totally different offering. So they're both being so I haven't heard any rumors of them getting away with the laid, just sticking with the talks. And I think they're going to offer both varieties. And I think they need to because there's situations when you want that little bit loud or sound little smaller profile of the toxin.

But there's also situations where I like laid matter where I don't move that loud take of the blade to get that he every time the way chat bit works is when you're binding this bit, I will see I hold this clear. The isolation point is your connection to the hand. So the way that that long tag of the head of that g goes through the blade, that's your isolation point.

So when you're tad to the when your lions tag to this blade is actually gone back and forth of like that, and what creates that is every time that blade hits on one side of the head, it's gonna come back to the other side. And you can't have that without a direct connection, which is what zig man has. No other chat.

Bate on the market has a direct connection of the blame to the head of debate. And that's what gives you that unique chatter bait sound and that unique chatter bait action that no other blade and jaguar on the market can. So having that direction connection is key.

But when you when that blades are late and is making that contact on each side is creating take that no the other and with the talks and you get a little bit lower chatter and you can also get IT to be a little more erect because it's heating harder. That talks to excuse me, the talks and being a harder metal when that blade hits is not absorbing any of that contact like you would with laid laid being software, less dies. So you can actually make IT a little more real, excuse me, a little more erratic with that talks in here. And you can with that layd and is just a little different sound. But there's also situations where when you don't want IT to be quite as loud or quite as erratic, when i'm slow row in a chatter bate, i'm going to lead more to the evo, the traditional original evo chat back because is layer I can slow roll little little bit slower and keep IT down and just keep that nice story moment cell .

ent a yeah that the sound that that's that's amazing that we get two different sounds that we can, you know experiment with the i'm saying like you can even you can go to an area that you pressure, you can switch sounds.

That's that's a lot of the reason behind IT. Now I think that's why you need them both. So you you've got ta have difference.

You got a anytime, you know you've got a bit. This is popular as a chatter bate. You, we as english have to do something to make ourselves maybe stand out or be a little different from everyone else. Is there in the same bed, in the same locations of one of the proud examples would be down in florida when you get forty, fifty ATS, if you can do a little different, a little different sound, something like that, a little different speed, a little different retrieve, to make your chat may stand out, look a little bit different. About time you've going to get bit by ying.

You're going to get more about yes. Well, I we've got some questions action up here. Um I see a couple that uh, i'd like to throw you. Rick wants to know um we talk about your the trailer that you use on the mini max. Uh, what what what's your trailer favorite trailers for your other choices OK.

So i've got a sample of three trailers. I use ninety nine percent of the so what i'm thinking chat by trailers. I will a straight tail trailer like I showed with a demo.

I armor shed, i'll go through the different reasons, but I just something to explain, the three to start office. So I want a straight tail trailer, like the debate army shared here. And then I want a school back style trader, something with a parallel.

This is the demi for our shared pado il swim bat to give that the trial little bit action, but still in that shared profile. And then I some type of cross sh star chat by trader. This is a demo I knockout and i'll take one out of pack and to show you the difference in all of. So i've already got the armor shade rig up here on the meeting, max.

And as I said earlier, this is the trailer i'm going to use when I want a erratic retrieve, when I vision at a little bit faster covering water, because you can make IT look like a flee in bake fish, it'll actually give that chat bate a more erratic retrieve, because the trailer doesn't have any drag on, is not creating action on its own. The only action on this trailer is being imported by the action on that blade and how you work that bit. So if I burn this bit fast is gonna cut up and kick out and just dart, look like a fleeing bake fish.

And another time that I use this trailer is if i'm fishing a chair by deep, which is something not a lot of people think about their picture, a chatter base me in a shallow water spring, calm late fall, where you're just thrown into the bank, and slow roll in your burn in your chat bag bag. But I like to fish your chat bag deep a lot. And when I do that, i'll fish IT, just like you're stroking his phone, like you throwing the big six, eight floors, floors or something like that.

I'll actually do that with a chair bate. And when I do that, particularly, is with the big blade chat make suit. He said, this is the big blade is got a seventy percent larger body came out, I think three years ago, a big beef up put is a great large back when on this ship offshore.

And i'll put that democrator shed on this big Blake chatter bake and rip IT up off the bottom. And what that does is with that trailer not having a lot of drag when I rip IT up, that bates gonna shoot up off the bottom, and it's gonna down and in dark everywhere. I think when I let IT fall back down, that big blades go allowed to glad and playing all and look like a wounded big fish.

So those are the two scenarios where I would throw a trainer like this to make the armor ship, where our system straight tail trailer, no drag at all, just a natural south plastic shed pattern by. So that's scenario for IT. And in another scenario is I don't know why I just started doing IT one time I got a one place.

It's so we are special and you're always gonna stick with what you know work. So that's kind of about the only reason the eye ever throw this paddle tail swing. So again, this is the democratic republic army shared swim back.

And you can see is a little pado tail on IT is a little smarter than most pado tails, because I don't want a big pad tail is to overpower the version of the blade on that. So I little bit small tail. But one key thing about IT is you wanna swim, make this gona be solve, is actually gonna swim and have some action when you slow roll in that chat bit, and you see this to make the orage.

And the way I tell the quality a swim back is gonna have, the action I like is about how soft is. So I typically, I just wanted hold IT upside down and effect tail flops all the way over. You know, that's gonna be a good self swim made is gonna swim grade in a slow, natural place.

And one thing I like to do, the way I read this for each other, shared swim, don't much Better way i've got actually got a time, is I like to read the swim bate, with the tail upside down on a chatter bate. So I want to read out to show you what i'm talking about. We get IT thread on here, even get IT on her straight, get IT cRicky start out.

Had a great little tip about the tail. Uh, just trying to identify is there's there's a lot of those paddle tales that are ridge a little bit more rigid, I guess by design, they are a right .

and is not that those are bad swim bates that are they? They all have their place. But when I want to swim bait that i'm gonna one and pretty slow, like slow roan, I want something is gonna have a self tail because those tails are gonna wim Better and have a more natural look when you're crawl in IT real slow.

So I get that for each hour shades we may rigged up on the jack hammer. You can see this is the blind hook, can get IT all in frame, but i've get my tail pointed up towards, so that's the hood, and my tails actually turned up like that. And by doing that, it'll catch more water and swim a lot more natural.

Then if you turn net tail down is some ways reason the way the water around the blade. When you want a net chat back, IT takes the water off the bottom of the bake yourself. I don't know what that does is kind of you can experience with this is how i've tried IT.

If you turn that swim bag like this in your one, in your chatter, bake a lot of times he doesn't swim as natural IT gives you just A A weird kind of swim like he just didn't look right. Like will, like catch fish, most likely hundred percent of definite catch fish. But when you read that swim bid upside down and you slow down and IT IT actually still a swims a lot Better, a lot more natural, and gives you a whole different profiles. So that's how I like to regular petal tale. So we made on my chat with regret that .

now that awesome I would have, I would have, I would have looked at. And I really like what he did this wrong.

Yeah, I thought the same thing. I I wish I could take credit for that. But okay, and I had one of my good body from japan.

Show me that take me several years ago, probably been ten or fifteen years ago o now I has been a long tap, but I kind of adopted IT actually regular ultimates up that have sometimes just for no reason, but that would there is a reason. So the the third style trailer going to throw is something like a crawfish style. So this is a demain knock out, which is actually delicate.

Flipping made a very flipping, may actually want eternity raver flipping bushes. And if you found my car, you know, really like you, so you win. That's I member, how I might do so you can say this is that the making knockout here.

You get a lot, lot of pages on there. You get too little kicky feet is going to give you a lot of action and a lot of just makes that imitate the two calls with crowfield, you're going IT on the back of Brown or blue deal killer chairback. One thing I like to do with this rate, you can see all these are energies here on the sad.

I actually pull those off because I don't want to add a drag. And even the little air calls here, the little pockets I pull those off and just streamline that bid up so I don't have quite as much drag on IT. So where i'm just gonna, mainly those two tails just going to kick and swim as i'm achieving that way.

And actually, I don't read this one outside down, but I do read IT sad ways. And a lot of people think that kind of odd. And I think there's I don't know what how I came up with and just I think IT lets debate swim more natural and that gives you a different profile.

So I actually read IT with the the claws like that on the hook. So i'm read up here, show you what i'm talking about. So most people would read this, mate.

Like this they would break IT you know where the main part of the body is perpendicular to the hook. So there's my hook going through the the water is part of that day where the bate sin and flat. So so the tails are actually coming through the water hours on or like that.

And you can see the profile that gives you, I mean, which there's nothing wrong with that. There's been a million base called on by three and trailers like this with me personally, I came to read vertical on that bate. Someone pull IT often really vertical and show you the difference of the two IT just gives you a whole different profile, especially if those fish shallow and there get a sad view that may.

And what I mean by that is a lot of times when I threw in a crown, sh killed shatter bag. I'm actually, i'm thrown IT close to the bottom and fairly shallow water, say two to five to water. And those fish aren't coming up to bike.

They're actually coming from the sad. So there's a sad profile that day. Instead, the underneath as they come up.

And when they're seeing that sad profile, I like to turn the trailer to where IT is vertical in the water column. And I feel, say so. So one in IT, that trade is gonna kick sad ways.

Instead, when you've got to read horizon, GTA kick up and down when you ve got to red vertical, is gonna ick subways like that? And look gonna a more natural swiming action. Amazon, just a just a different way to rig the croft style trailer on your favorite chat make.

That's that's I that's interesting. Gone word with uh I I want to ask you this because one of the uh one of the guys so I can't member who I was with their commenting that um reading IT like flat with the with the the calls will flare out to the decide is a is a great asset around lilly pad stocks. Yes, helping you get through the cover Better that way.

I know that I don't know attn to just stay with that vertical presentation, but I mean, if you think about a swim gig, the the main reason I think that IT comes through that cover Better is if you get that trailer read in a horizontal position like that, you've got a water surface area. So I will take this call, this skirt back where you can see.

So if I got that thing, really sad ways like that, you can see how thing that is if if IT was really vertical so we could attend to create less drag is gonna faster and you're not going back to shake IT. Working over that cover is good as if it's coming through the water with the big flat side of the bit there. So if i've got IT rigged horizontal, I could see that me a Better and lilly pad and heavy cover because IT IT provides a little more contact for that makes to make when is coming over a lady peg coming through the stems to be able to avoid that who cannot get home and also IT flows that mate down.

So about what I mean by that is if you're fish and lily pad and you're working that way through the lilly pads instead of a straight return. So there's a lot of different ways you can work chat. And when unfished lily pads or shoot ver Charlotte, I rarely ever just cast my bid out and just slow, steady retrieve, because that grass is gonna different heights underneath the water.

You may be come and regress this top, this far the water, and you may have a whole IT. You know there's no grass for four, five feet. So you want to vary the death of that bate. So you're constantly slow and your retreat be riens change in the speed at which that way is moving to able to get through that cover and which effectively, but when you're fishing, you know a rock banker, a flat or something like that where you don't have covered very height to another, the water that slow, steady retrieve is Better where you're kind of maintaining, you know kind of following the contour of lake, if that makes sense.

I don't know through some of videos or done small swing bates and things like that is the same principle when you're throwing that chatter bed in shared water on a rock bake, but you don't want to be sitting your boat in T N. Sea to water and casting up to a rock bank and start your retrieve and just let that bates say, three, three deep, all the way back to the boat. You wanted to follow that control back to the boat.

In case those fish are sitting ten, fifteen feet off that rock, they may be sitting in team feed water on the rocks instead, right on the bank. So you want that change to follow that. Then where you're staying strikes on longer in your covering different levels of the water column, whether you just strike, retrieve IT that bates gonna stay three, four back the boat, you get five, six feet off the bike, your chater bates going to be four or five feet above those faces aietes especially precious one when they may not want to chase that far.

Touch IT we get to match the class here. Uh, love IT. Uh, i'd like to just rich, can you bring Justin?

I see a lot more questions sacking up. I'd like you, uh, letter. Let people ask some some other questions to bind.

Yeah yeah. B M F wants to know what is the cold water temperature, uh, that you fish and call fish with the chat bit.

The have held on like Normal with water in the bid of upper forties. That's probably the lowest, like forty five to forty seven, you know, is if I get a little bit of staying in water and Fisher cannot still shallow, like a lot of times. Fish, you know, the middle, the country, where are my north CarOlina Georgeous south care, organic, those special stay sallow, even if that water gets cold.

You know, they're still be two, three, four, the water, and they will gravity toward that little bit of same water, mud, water. But I won't a slight staying where i've got you food half to feed of visibility and special set up tight to rock, get set up tight rock bridge calls, ways and things like that. And they will readily buy that chair bates too, in a situation like that.

That's where i'm going to throw something like this chatter by evo. The three, eight times I will the lighter wait and i'm going to put a bigger, bulkier trailer on there to slow that b won't slow the fall. Rather that chat bate what I wanted real slow and get that good dog and cover that all of, you know, a shower I want to cover IT slowly and effectively.

And when I get in that same situation where I may have dirty your water rest, when I leaned toward the big blade, like that's where I first really came up with a concept for a big black chat back several years ago, was I was at a grand lake in early march and the lake was high and IT was much you could see about eight is deep. And um kind of the first place to that big blade was that they and actually headed old musty chair base z man made way back in the day, back in the mid two thousands. And I took the blade of one of those mokete chat debates and just I opened up on a regular size share by and put in on there. And I was able to want that bates so slow and gets such a good dump in a good violation out of IT, actually. And after three days on the big lake, at my finished six or seven but eight time on fishing cold, moody water, that big blade chatter bate is gonna not go to.

That's awesome. I didn't know that was your does your creation .

or actually IT was IT was a so I I you know IT was kind of the thing that they wouldn't sure if they wanted to do IT. And I think my very first B P T event, and like you follow same scenario, is grand and leg. We were there, tracks and the water was clear, was beautiful.

We got like ten age is a rain before the first come up three food and get. And at that big Blake, check on and absolutely, he put a and on two days, slim the day after two days. And they, I think, the general public of the power, everything. And so create a demand for water a new time. You create a demand for debate before actually made good.

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two main actions are road that I use when i'm throwing a chair bit and the rad action, the action pretty similar, but the length of the rod is what vars the most. And the two different scenario are if i'm throwing a chatter back in tight quarters and where i'm skipping the underneath ver like if I was fishing dogs or fishing lay downs or overhang and bushes, something like that, we're i'm going to be fairly closed.

I'm not going to long over him case be skipping that bed under there twenty thirty feet under these a doctor skipping in under those bushes teen ago. I like a shorter run because i've got the accuracy to be able to skip a little Better. And around I choose for that is my feature series each year of chat back rod chat.

Hope you see that IT is the chattery rod, that over with a glare, but this has six, nine medium, heavy rod. And one cool thing about IT, when I designed this out, I design IT with a little bit long rehang or so from the the real c to the handle of the rod is a little bit longer than most of your traditional roads. Are that six? Nine, one? And the reason for that is when you're cast in this rod, i'm right hand and so i'm going to hold the real in my left hand between the trader there.

But when i'm when i'm skip and I want enough but section that I can put my right hand on the body that road and really loaded up and get a good skit gas. So when I made design this rod, we designed IT with about a two minute longer handle, so you can put two hands on that rod. Really load strong case.

And the medium heathy action, to me, is the perfect action. You got a nice self tip to be able to skip very well, but you got got enough back on to drive the hole and get those fish out of that cover, whether IT the underneath, the dog in around, the lay down, on underneath, overhanging will emerge something like that. So that is rad I used for. We'll just call IT short distance in the hand combat with A C six man chrome. Get a fast action.

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Yes, you got a fast action with a softer tip. so. You've got try to show you this is the tip god here. So you got about maybe a foot of good self here. And then IT gets into the back moment and again as a chater red rod, my signature chater.

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this year and the the second route i'm going to use, these are only two rows. I ever thought a chat bate is actually my seven, two medium heavy from right. And you may think, grand, where would you throw a chat by or frog? So a one of the rods in my series are designed for skipping bates.

So I designed this road to have the right action in the right to to be able skip frog underneath lay downs things. But what I found out is this is one of the most visual rods in my other series. I throw a turn of different bates on the swan, bates top waters and chat bates.

And the time I pick up this round for my chat bag fishing is if i'm fishing a lot of the open water and making really long cast. So the functions report banks from partly and make a long cast in from the boat. I'm reaching for this rock.

They found fishing expensive grass flats where i'm making bomb cats and covering along the water. I'm reaching for the seven, two medium, heavy program. And the simple reason for that is I want a little more length.

So said the, you know, if I get to buy on thirty, forty cast into the cast, all those extra four, five inches in that road link to take up more than when I set the that's the main reason the action is very comparable to that chat bate rod. How fast here we get to backroom very quickly. And to me, these are the perfect rose for thorn, a chat ball.

I don't like a glasses because I feel like I did is my feel. And the whole point of throw that chair, but is to be able to feel what that bates do on and with these roads, be in the hopes and graphed. I can feel every time that blade isolate.

I can feel if I wind in this bed on the flat. I can feel if fish comes up behind IT takes the water off the blade, kind of had a little bit. So you want to be to feel what that makes doing. And i've just never been a fan of a glass films. Y when i'm throwing in .

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the front for gender vate. And so must set up far as real and long go. So my real always use a Fisher fishing vid.

Ten is a seven point two to one year. O I like that. Well, I guess now it's a mid level good ratio.

IT used to be high lead, but now I get eight ones and another one, ten ones. So the seven one is kind of your mid level get show real nail. And I like that because it's fast enough to take a blind fish, pushes debate to you input.

Not, not a lot, why? But is, to me is still slow enough that I can slow roll. That is so a very version al gear ratio, because you can do a lot of things with that.

I can burn IT if I want to, or I can really slow roll latent, maintain that slow stating, retrieve with that several one year ratio. And my says various about what I want to do with the particular chatter bate and what actual chat bate improved. So when i'm throwing the big blade chatter bate, the big blade here is got a bigger hooking, is filled only six out most.

And hood, this thing is made for big. We should making a lot of known and getting a lot of big bikes. So when i'm throwing this big bag chAmber, i'm throwing IT on twenty pound P T.

Go for carbon one hundred percent of a time, just mainly because i'm gonna fish ate in having or cover. I'm going to be out in beer, fish, and I just want a land that I always gonna hold up. And it's not gonna have quite as much string.

Now four carbon doesn't have as much street as your money with things like that. But as you get to a smaller diameter for a carbon IT does have more stress than a you know a twenty pounds. So you take a twenty people people and tack for is not gonna stretch quite as bad, is a twelve over fifteen.

So I want a little bit beef your line on the twenty eight line on the big, big chat back and when i'm thrown, say, the chat by evo, the chat by toxin evo, a jack hammer. I'm either for one seventeen pye or fifteen pye on that ninety percent of the time. And the reason for that is if I want that back to run a little bit deeper after on fifteen and IT found slow and I want to keep IT a little hard water calling around grass and things like that, skipping an underwater seventeen.

So it's really very you know you know how much drag the bates got in the death, I will get back to be in the world. And so the higher once that make run, i'm going to go to a the higher protest, which is gna give you a bigger the deeper I want that bit to run, i'm going to go to a smaller protest, which is going to be a smaller diameter and not have as much drag and like that, they swim nature a little bit deeper. And when i'm throwing the chat mac mini max, i'm throwing IT on twelve.

Most of the time I might bump in up to fifteen. I was so fifteen with James river, just because our fish. So shower.

I was catching fish your foot to a foot half of water. So I wanted to keep that three, eight meeting. Max, you know, six, eight inches. D but he wanted to get much super nets of food. But I mean, any variation of that fifteen to twenty ten online for you, your Normal size chat mates like your evo in your jack camera, and then as you go small or you can drop down in pound taster things like that, or as you go bigger with your big blade, you can jack IT up to twenty .

twenty five is is there ever A A time where you will and fish bread.

so there's very few times of fish bread. Um then the only time I ever really do is if i'm in a heavy grass scenario and if i'm throwing like a three age or something like that around heavy grass, I will go to break but I action to stay away from the brain with a chair back just because I do so many different things with, I may go here, fish this type cover and go fish this type of cover.

So I tend to be a little more visual with a floor car, and then I am with a brain. Now there's nothing wrong with throwing an own way to gives you great return. And IT feels great on your right with your one. great. But I personally don't really do that lot.

Okay, but that that makes sense. I, I, I got a couple more questions for days. You're pick in a when you pick in a evo thomson and when you pick in a jack. And so .

that that kind of I don't know you. So the evo tax on is very new to the market. They just arted to sell in a couple weeks ago.

Have Norman with IT a lot? Couple weeks go. And to me the main difference between the two is the fabric is very simple. I think the evil is uh equal or Better than a jack camera this point from but so far though, I guess the time I spent throwing the evo and IT just gives you a little different sound. You know, any time those fish here something new and something different, I feel like you get more bites on IT.

But to meet the band reason the evil same quality components is the jack camera quality 和 quality， who keep quality pay job hand time skirt at a lower Price points. So it's not going to break the bank quite as bad is a jack camera says a little bit lower Price point, and you get the same quality component, and you can even see the bay two today, Green in Green talking, go core fish that talks. And there is a real day. I really like IT, as far, is going to pick one over the other. I've like his personal preference.

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and I know rich pro at all, he would be thrown his chatter. Bates, if you could get away. This is another big one spin this time you're spinning rate big deal of when when, when you do have a system for that, like when when you pick in a spinner bait over a chatter invoice version.

So about the only time I ever pick a painter bed over a chater vate anymore is, if am fishing, open water, shade, phone. And let me explain that because this kind of very specific s scenario and more you don't run into a luck because if i'm on a lake during the shed phones, I am always to have a chat back in a matter bag, both tattle, i'm gonna an no net chat back a little more when ambition around cover where shared or stoning underneath those bushes and stoning undertake boat dogs because I can skip IT and give you a good action cast and still get profile way back on next cover you can keep a sweeter by a little bit.

But I didn't go very forward back a lot, so i'm going to throw the chat back when i'm undercover doing shares fall and when i'm in open water on the shed phone, like throwing an on a revert back or something like that. I came to pick up a spinner bait, maybe a little more often with some small blades, a little three blades, spinner bait, just because you get a little more flash. But as far as outperforming a chatter bate, I don't think i've ever seen a spinner bait really outperform a chatter bake bite on the road home or you know, really any time of year, like only tom, I would say I would use to throw a little bit more would be in a very, extremely dirty water situation where you would want to throw a big color roof blade spinner bait to get that slow though. But now that we have the big bang chat by buzz man, I throw IT in the extremely different water situation and is to replace muck out and sweat IT.

Well, there you have a please throw all your spare mates away. Uh, let me and we've heard that before, but it's it's fashioning the here you discuss that right because, I mean, this is your real house uh, with the advent afford facing zona, have you learned anything about how the fish respond to the chairman? Has has caused you to all to your treats and here has has IT had any impact at all to have you fish?

The IT hasn't heading. The impact is to how I fish chat by because of actively, I think I used to fish a chatter by, like I was using forward service before ford came, I would always catch a lot of fish, you know, with a stopping, go retrieve or stroking a chatter bate. Something like that, kind of like you are targeting a fish on your love sonar.

So IT really has a changed way. I fished at all. I would say that the biggest thing live on shown me with the chatter.

Bis gave me the confidence to make more repetitive case to a piece structure, or do an area where I know I can see facial that loves some are like, that's the biggest thing that I think is told me as a shared water. Anger is you. I can see three fish sitting over here in this hole in the grass and on the stop. And you know where previously I may have pulled there, made one, two cast over with a chatter, not that IT, but now, you know, it's were making five cast and get more over the bike so you can come.

It's interesting are you do divination to that landscape or perspective is in the in that chat bate territories. Al.

and no, I haven't played with the perspective landscape mode with the human merge mega lave. Ya, i've always been a huge, a huge three sixty ga, so I can see everything is around the boat, kind in that same. The kind of way out is not love, but I can see where everything is underneath the water. So i'm more of a three sixty guy, and I am a landscape guy.

I got IT. Well, it's fantastic tool men, just a tremendous. Is there is there anything else what we didn't talk about, everything had on the tables and else you want to discuss? Or did we talk about everything?

And I I think the biggest thing, you know, the viewers need to take away from this this low episode talking about a chatter bait is, you know, don't put your chatter bate in a box. Don't say this is what a chatter bates good for, because in mama, the chatter bate is good for everything.

And now with the portfolio the man has, with the chatter bate, all of the different styles and size and different head metals and all the different trailers you've got, there's there's really no wrong way to make a change vate. You just got to experiment and figure out what works best for you on the body of water should fish because there there's really nothing you can do with this bit. I think that's the beauty of the same man and chatter bais.

You know, I can fish IT in four inches of water. I can fish IT in forty feet of water. I can make you go slow. I can make you go fast and cross shared.

So if you really does cover the entire spectrum of wear, basic and what they feed on, and I think that's what makes such a good day. You know all year wrong all over the country like this. There's never a tarne ted to professional way bit.

I don't think a chatter bate has a threat that IT couldn't win like even up north when you talk to small now advances so large or IT same clear somewhere like that. I mean, this time is could still be worn on chat by shell. I don't think guys put the time in because IT may not be the most dominant or easier to find there, but there's always a possibility, excuse me, there's always a possibility that, that generate might is there.

And I think that are ring true for every like in the country all year long. Mean, if you look at history um ornament over the last fifteen twenty years as charter bay was invented, chatelard was brought to the market. You know I don't think you will find a top in out there where one guys not be generated somewhere in the top in this be a picture hanging from the and like and I think that just a test and of how good and how visual .

that made is yeah well, you said IT all and that's the true that's why theyve saw uh millions and billions .

we and and they continue to to, you know take you to the next level, which is something I love to see a may and do one you know that's that's the cool thing about best fishing is you can never get scale in your approach.

You will always have been looking for the next thing because, you know, fish learn, I think they adapt that you used to certain things and you know you've constant got adapt and change those presentations, tions of sales of actions. And that's something this man, and does every time they released a new skill, a new land of chat back, you know, it's a little different action is a little different sound, something fish haven't same before. And you know, each one is equally impressive as the one before.

Well, well said, why appreciate to come on and talking to us.

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on the great brand thrift, everybody, uh, super champion and man, what what a teacher oh my gosh. Like the amount knowledge that was dropped on that topic just now is it's going you going to have to watch this episode like five times. Get at all yeah.

definitely, definitely a luck. I flushed out there. Um I mean early early on in the show with the with the willow that that one caught me, called me by surprise but IT has been talked about before and the other two others, Steve Browning thought us about the William and h in one of his chat to be examined our as well. Um so Better look into it's a it's just .

just like everything I have, everything I get like that I just kick him to the side and somehow they never get tried or test in until I wait for somebody else to win turn right but I have I have those will of lives. I I um made a couple of cast in my pool and check them out. But I was interesting to you to listen to him talk about bringing at this time we are specially when out that little bates around yeah well.

I can't wait to tell shit the drift said through the through the mini max that is not something to be disappointed in from in the mini max.

It's it's all perspective, man. It's what's going on and to have body of water and and and your practices going so but but that that was fun. Now, that was a fun moment when he started breaking that out.

And I can see you melting over there first. Uh, good stuff. Well, let's think you took a versa break. We're going to be right back. Uh, I can share the feed on social.

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Just get myself another english coffee a great to have brian or man or man super excited to have in in south CarOlina this skin this year um I think everybody everybody loves ran and certainly a speech to that region but he catches on everywhere.

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God makes you just want to throw a chat by by twenty four, seven.

you know yeah yeah it's it's interesting, man. Like you know, for as much as for as much as I love the chat debate and so much of the season, spring, summer, then I I do go away from at this time a year for whatever reason. I I I move over to the I move over to the spin erway.

You know I I don't know if it's just that you know the confident thing or if IT there's a reason to IT or not. But you know I know that I I should have a generate out on the deck of my boat when i'm fishing docks. With the spin rate um and mix IT in uh because I think there's probably applications where it's more effective.

But uh, I got to get to keep working with they got to keep got to keep mixing IT. What i'm really excited about is that is the tonks and evil. I know I know Justin is experimented with that a little bit already. I haven't yet, but I am excited to have a tonks and eo laid out next to a jack ammer next spin and um see what kind of power they can put together.

No, dad, what what your experiences with the evo have you have you have been put in to work in time of my chater just thrown IT around.

Just son, oh, H A third. Enforcement is A. It's hard to say the difference between A A jack hammer you know I I think, uh IT definitely makes a little bit different sound and besides the head getting a deeper on, you know, i'm probably gonna go to two talks to you, go over a change day, probably seventy five percent of time from my for my time using IT.

Well, I got to get out there and get effort. I know we we just got a shipment in, uh, and they look pretty awesome. I gotto give him a world um like going on its election day, everybody get out and vote for a for trumpton bands or whoever you want。 Uh we're we're going to get out, uh i'm going to get out and vote are actually take a my lunch break.

I'm going to go in cast my vote. I hope you guys have done that already or will be doing that thing. But uh, that's that's real good stuff and that's political. We don't do that very much, but there's a bit of really call announcement and everybody seems to be against IT.

And I think I may be the only one for um I saw right so put do a video post about IT and his a he's a proponent of the advantages and and the advancement of no entry fees for the top level prose. And I think it's a great thing. I know it's a lot of guys have been negative because I feel like their calculations are telling them you're going to make class money with the new pay out structure.

Um and I I I I see that and and I hear that, but I think it's such a big advancement for the sport. man. It's like, you know for so long when you qualify for the you uh the the the big bonuses, you get a fifty thousand doll bill that your that your bonuses for qualified and for people trying to make you their way in the world myself, that I did IT for fifteen years out there on tour.

Um you know those massive entry fees are a Better barrier. The entry uh for a lot of spiring prose. So I see that as a big deal. I also know that this sport is brought with with peaks and valleys.

And you're going to go through your series about as a competitor, you know you're going to hit some matter of the part, but then you're a you're going to get up against and you're going to get in the some slow and IT happens to every single angle. Uh so to be able to have that you know that ability um to to survive that song without you know chasing reality of this is awesome sport. Uh I love that.

I think it's a big step. I'd have you to see the payout ts continue to to grow and um and give all the aspiring prows on the planet you know something to reach for. But you know and I love that man, I absolutely love no interest you you guys went to away and on IT rich, I know we talk about IT. You are every one of our guys, every one of our speakers like when we hate this.

Yeah, yeah. I'm not a i'm not going away in on IT for a couple different reasons. Uh, one, i'm not qualified the way and on IT, I haven't walked that walk. I haven't I haven't had to go down .

that road of .

putting myself at massive potential for financial debt to go fishing. So I can't relate to what what these guys are going through. And then the other reason that I don't think i'm the right person to talk about IT is because, well, I I have not received any positive feedback from you know are from from my contacts or friends or angry resources, people that, you know, I just happened to hear things from.

Uh, I haven't heard the positive sides of IT and are the reasons why they are not positive when they put pencils and numbers to paper IT a IT makes IT an uncomfortable thing to talk about. So um i'm interested to see how how IT all unfolds if IT holds, if IT, if IT doesn't get switched, doesn't see my is going to at this point. Um you know I I hope for the best for everybody involved in the industry and whether they are professional anger, just somebody that works and works around the sport.

Um I hope that the move creates something good for the long run. But right now it's hard to see try to see the good that the good that will come from IT. But haven't we haven't got down the road yet.

So say just what most of the social most of what guys to say on social is that they they project a reduction in income. Uh, as you know, the reason for something anything I missing out there .

now you're you're right, one hundred percent. I mean like like rich, I don't walk that walk like these guys still I at end of the day, um I think it's it's at some point the sport shoud be paid to play every other sport. You don't pay apply.

So we're going to call the sport at the highest lever. You should a bit boy boy, you know i'm in favor of what the english wanted. Seems like the none of the angers really from what i've seen or in favor of IT.

So i'm gna. You know i'm going to ride with with those guys that they're not feel rather than you know of the payouts and and being able to provide for the family. And i'm not favorite of that's what I say in with the yeah .

I that's but there are certain .

cases where it's going to help certain guys provide for their family. But you know it's it's tough if there's I feel there's a small majority of the guys that it's going to benefit greatly and then rush the guys organdy making last money. But I take .

myself back to, uh, when I qualified for the top one hundred and I did IT on a shoestring budget um you know just fresh out of college, still Carrying my uh my college loan dead and you know getting out there qualify and in the fall that year um having to make that this or actually I think that was the spring they qualified this so I had to somehow try to recruit sponsorship to get out there and when entry fees were only like two grand a peace you know but that was back accept to yeah like said but the ah that was so hard, so stressful like what do I get to do that? How can I take this on? I've made IT and um you know what I there is no way to do IT.

I couldn't I couldn't recruit that want to ship that fast. I was a complete unknown. Social media didn't exist. There was no way to have a platform.

And uh so what I did was I used I my biggest sponsors revision mass record and that's what I used to get after. And it's, uh, tremendous for the workers coming off the same deal. They're qualified.

Now they are coming into the tough the sponsorship market that exists and is is just not existent right now with the economy the way that IT is, which is why IT to be dance and um you know they're gonna try to recruit those sponsorships um and get ready for this season to have that burden listed, to be able to get out there and be competitive without to to have that that big financial load over head. Those guys in particular, I think it's a really big deal. Oh, but that's my opinion on IT.

And uh, I I hope it's just the first step. I do agree with you. I I hope it's just the first step in a building process to get this to where IT needs to be eventually.

And and that's that's the way I feel about that. I think it's pretty cool that they're kind of take an action on and doing something to uh to lessen the burden on on in this port。 So to be interesting guys, but I am i'm definitely a minority on this using um I agree with most people, especially most of the Prices on this.

I seem to find myself standing alone, or just a few others, but we will see how all plays out. We have a like and share a prize were given away, and we have to pick that person. Did you put the question of.

yes, I did. Yes, sir, I A A teazing galgebrok the like and share winner and will be in ten and ancient south korea and looks like he picked up PS and tickets uh and shock plus fish everyone our best you university chapter ard uh got the trivia question was one of three three favorite chat by trailers and that was the making on the making army shed swimming and the Mickey knock out craw.

yeah, I like that little to swimming. That's pretty cool. Tip, you know, if you want to know whether or not your your tail will work at slow speed, you just hold that upside down and the if the tail flops, that's that's the one you want to retrieve.

Uh, pretty good stuff, man, really good stuff. By the way, I wanted invade all you guys uh to get over and check out brian uh thrifts uh tutorials because we have a lot of them uh from top water to play bates and is just such a well verse anger as you. If you listen today, you can see a what a good teacher is and how you say what to convey that that message to you and that really helps us to be able to get out, listen to him and get out. Try to you plate that technique um so check him out and we got we we have a suber week .

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Excelling what we got coming up with that this week.

great uh coming up this week in the best university world. Um we are constantly uh we are constantly releasing new content, grow when I live very every single week, three new releases every single week and that is not going to change this week today or I am sorry tomorrow in the on the water uh in the in the in the seminar world rather we are going to be releasing um we are releasing the seminar by guys sorry, bear with hear my laptop is freezing at just the absolute perfect time.

Um mai wong, big sin bates, um that's A A really great, really great seminar. Mai wang comes from a west coast background. He's got a really, really in depth knowledge of bixi an finally how to use them uh, in internal applications.

He said some really great success out there on the elite series and um he he don't know, he said a lot of his top tens with the big win bed in his hand. That's when you're definitely gonna want to check out um he he breaks down the the what the wear the when there's some really awesome footage in there uh to go along with this classroom teaching. We got some fish catches in there to a to really show you what you talked about. So check that one out. That is many big .

swim bates awesome. Um and we will keep bring a tea we're visiting with the great photo human bird next week. Rich, I will be off uh, doing that looking at some of the brand new products coming off.

I can't wait, see uh, I D have I have no knowledge of what we're gonna look at at rich is kind, kind of cool. It'll be a surprise to both of to see what they're working on. They're always at the the cutting edge of my new all tracks request.

Um it's just amazing. You gotta get that motor. I know you've just got one on your boat, Justin.

That's right .

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love that quest .

is just amazing. Motor is just so powerful. IT doesn't burn um power at all and you know pulls my boat almost five miles an hour, which is incredible when you're still with uh just really a tremendous upgrade uh and durability um that is consistent with me code product for everyone ever.

So you check that out. Guys, what do you be looking at the news? So I have no idea that can possibly make a Better one of those. I don't know what 我 跟 他们 excited。

I'm excited to, to see the product release. Uh, will definitely be will definitely be sharing some of yes.

we will. So look at that at all social and uh, we will talk you guys about about live next week. I don't know what we may have to pause our live share next week, uh, will keep you guys posted, but will see maybe we can do something from, uh, from where we're at next week, catching some giants for the best me we should are you guys well, thank you guys.

thanks. Trying thrift ah for being here. Old old is great to have him on the show.

Thanks guys for watching, and we will see guys real soon with another episode. Best university life. Have a great day, everybody. 两个。