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Have either of you boys ever tried out distro sea 点 com diro？ C yeah. Like the ocean .

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official description. We provide an online platform that allows you to test fifty plus Operating systems with five hundred different versions. We want to build a test various linux sters easily in your web broster without even having to make a live USB or installing on your personal computer. So let's playing around with this before the show. And they have suits on here open, and they have tub wheat on here.

And so I decided, well, since it's kind of like, you know, IT takes to cost me nothing, not even a download, I want to click the exec e version and just see what the tumbleweed excessive verging looks like and then you wait in A Q and it's not too busy. So I had to wait like a minute. And then IT starts to vm on the back end.

And it's like a web, vnc, a session. And IT fills my web browser. And the X, F, C, E desktop started.

And my first reaction was like, this is the best looking X, F, C E desktop. I have. I have everything.

In fact, west, if you walked into the room right now, cold, would do you kind of think, if I were to tell you this is cinnamon, you kind of think, oh yeah, I believe that cinnamon, this talk, oh yeah, IT looks really good and it's such a new way as we talk about this show. There's a lot of them on here and you can play around them. We're going to be digin into tumble's today and talking about tumble's. Why not go over to distroyed, play around.

see what they got. Okay, I only have one question. All right. What crypto currency minor did you decide around there?

Yeah, Better be some of the government of the C P. U.

Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly linux touch you. My name is Chris is and .

my name is brand.

Hello, gentlemen. Today we're going back in time to revisit one of my absolute favorite classic suits releases. And then we're gna set off to fix branch broken box live on the show and then well rounded out with some great boost, some pics and a lot more.

So before we get into all of that, and there is a lot to get into, let's say, time appropriate grading to our virtual lug m room. nice. We had some feeling out there the last minute before we started little, but before we got gones ago, we got a small mobile room attendance. But nice to see all in. They're getting the live feed right off the board, which is always cool and a big good morning to our friends.

At tail scale, tail scale out com, slash, unplug, go, get up for free, a one hundred devices and up to three user accounts, and build out a mesh network, connect devices directly to each other, whether they are powered by, you know, IT, go say good morning, support the show, try for free and one hundred devices. I have no immuno ts on my fireplace because I have been using tail scale for over a year and I still love IT tail scale out com slash, unplug, just a few items we'd like you to be aware of before we get into the big show. The first one, i'm a little bit of a proud poppa fountain.

One one about six just came out. And this release incorporates numerous bug fixes that were reported by the jupiter broadcasting in audience. A lot of them now have been incorporated in their I am still on a biweekly call with fountain, and we're still going over some of these, but the vast, vast majority have now been incorporated to found in one one at six.

And I would invite you to try IT out if you haven't for a while, and report back. I'd love to do another round of bug boost. The fountain team will be monitoring our boost for the next couple of weeks.

And if you have some problems, you can mention IT in there. They will put IT on their list. And then when I have my biweekly meeting with him, I will follow up.

Very exciting to see that and a big shout to the fountain team who has been working so super hard on incorporating of that. And then we also have some great news about planet nicks. The call for proposals are open and the deadline is december. Nth got any ideas? Feel like guys should know.

asking me right here on air.

No, but we're .

going to be Better. Actually.

I did see .

some folks that suggested some ideas in matters. So we should check that OK and maybe do a brain string session.

I think we're going to be run around doing interviews and talking to people I know they are good out of time and we've got eaten to do, we got a got eating to do. And then last but not least, the taxes are just around the corner, and we would really like to hear what should be in the taxes this year. I think it's a great year to refresh them a little bit.

So please boost in or mAiling your suggestions for new categories or what you might just also including the taxes. Besides new categories, we'd love to have that feedback and incorporated as we're starting to put IT all together. So please boost your feedback or send IT in, and we will start working on that well basically next week. So last week, we won a weekend before we asked everybody to boost in or send in their favorite versions of suits.

Remember this idea?

And we got some good ones. We had nine to three cent in which i'll touch on them a little bit here.

I definitely a healthy contingent of lizards out there in the audience. I think.

in fact, Susan, nine and three was suggested. And i'll just underscore that right now, the first version of suits to ship with linux three and IT also featured a brand new kd e desktop theme created for few that was really cool. So nine years .

still talking about a kd theme so many years, I know that that's tell her. I remember .

these releases. So we had one vote for a Susan nine three. We had, I believe, a grand total of three votes for susa, tumbled.

Ed, as the community is favorite. A yg, got one vote and leap got one vote. So now I wanted to throw my vote in here. So thank you everybody. And we have some more fresh ones coming up later in the show.

But I wanted to talk about for a moment my favorite version of suits, because IT just reminds me of such a unique time in linux is history. And IT is actually hard to pick one. But if I had to, I would pick susa nine one, not nine three.

Nine three is great.

but nine one was really something specially. IT was released friday, April twenty third, two thousand and four. And there was a lot writing on sus linux. Nine, that one, IT was the first release of sultans x after .

novel bought Susan january proof.

And back then they came in these big boxes, and I had bought every box since the seven version, at least maybe even six version. And so I wasn't a future lock on this purchase because of the novel situation. I just had some pause there, but like, like a pattern that continues to repeat to this day.

They got me with the features. So nine out one was the first distribution to ship with linux two dots six. And it's funny because IT took a hit for this in the reviews at the time because IT was slower, but IT was clearly the future.

Also, nine out one was personally big for me because I was the first major distribution to ship with sam, the three dota. And that meant active directory support, early act directory support. That also meant a Better version of samba encysted, which is required by our auditors.

And for some special system, you can get this new thing called the AMD sixty four version, wow. yeah. Or the intel extended memory sixty four version.

But okay, so like this, this release was like unlocking things, new things you could do, like at scale, in production, with relax.

And I was in an environment where we were transitioning to actual directory and all the sudden and all my song, but two boxes were getting left behind.

Yeah, that's embarrassing.

IT was bad. And the other thing about Susan nine out one is IT served as the base for the next enterprise release of suits. So I could start to get familiar with that right now when we were delay suse enterprise.

Then here's another reason and I I swear to god, nine out one defaulted to riser fs for its file system and riser fs while now removed from the linux kernel back in the day, was a really fantastic file system, especially if you had a lot of small files, and I had a lot of small files. Check images, j. pai.

Images of the front and back of a check, hundreds of thousands of them in directories. IT was a mess, and IT also supported extended attributes well before most file systems on linux did. So that meant he was compatible of mt permissions for soma shares.

So I got actual reality support. I got a riser. Fs, I got X, I got linux two, six.

And I can even support these fancy new sixty four bit systems. And IT had as heavily seemed, kd three, about two and no three to four. So IT was like a banger of a release and brand.

You'll appreciate this, I think, because you've experimented with yet laptops over the years. IT was also the first sues release while not enabled by default. If finally brought, suspend to RAM and suspend a disk functionality.

That's a big deal.

That's a huge deal. And you had to go in and edit your ETC power, save dot comp .

and turn IT on, of course.

And then I didn't work eighty percent of the time, but you know, i've yet a big conquer laptop like I did. That was a big deal back then. And nine out one brought that.

And then, of course, since I was the base of enterprise nine server, IT meant that I could just take all of those skills and bring them right to bear once we the once we deployed us less. And then, you know, back then, they IT also came with a couple of books at, like two big books, documents that were like manuals and cumuli hundred pages books. IT was a real purchase in a bag box.

dead trees to go .

with your lines. You and you know most the time you are installing via city rama DVD, there is a nine out one, I believe, is where they start making a DVD, a vision edition available summer right there um and you can find that on archive at work. But traditionally the way you installed Susan nine out one is with six cds.

And so I had this folding thing with all these. This in IT like an album. There's like the best of hits of your favorite artist or something, that multiple atoms, you would open this thing up and you'd start and you'd boot off the first city and you'd start like the installation. But then I would stop and IT would reboard and start back up into the installed. And then he would ask you for four more six .

it's kind of a lot of, you know, stripped out in the installation if you think .

about IT yeah and each each C D. Got his own individual progress bar and you have the overall O S. Installation progress. So you knew, like, okay, I ve got to go fetch this five next.

I find IT fascinating as a history lesson to that. Like, we started off with, you know, six floppies that you need IT or more. And then even after we gained, like, two orders of magnitude more in storage with the C.

D, we then recreated that problem. And then only in the DVD erd, we kind of escape up, but not because of dv. If we have, if we were using dv today, some distress would need to, but we just, you know, switch to Better technology. Finally.

and the other thing you got to consider is they needed to make IT available for folks that didn't have consistent internet connections to be able to install packages. And so by default, when you installed from the CD, your package manager was then configured to install future packages from the city. So you won't really word about package like cash updates.

No, right? You had your own physical cash ready.

yeah. And if you wanted to, back in the day, start using the internet repos, you had to go set that up manually and then like either remove the city sources, or what a lot of people would do is you could prioritize IT. So first you try the internet, and if my internet connection isn't isn't up, and you can get to the ft.

Piece ever, then fall back to the C. D. And asked me to set you know, and I will tell you, which is to put in. This is a different time, and that's why you need to those manuals do for the same problem. And that's what they were trying to solve.

And you know what struck me when we got lined up one going again, is that IT has a real style boys like from the boot. IT starts with this before you even have the grab selection screen. IT starts with a sus splash screen that has like suits and all these different languages, ama logo and a nice, elegant Green background that fills the screen and doesn't look low. Red IT looks good. Then you get a really nice seemed grab boot loader, which then transitions into a photography framed box where all of the boot output is framed inside this transparent box with a nice background behind IT.

I mean, if any, as good or Better than what you get with like a standard distro installed in tone four, at least until you get to the .

test p and the the branding begins at the grubs splash and goes all the way up to the deaf top IT really has the susa fiel. Um and if the interface is big and it's using the legendary Crystal icon set in K T E, which is just like, you know what everything is, you know he looks a little silly, but you know what every icon means and they're big.

I mean, you were reflecting on this when we are checking IT out just like this would be great for you know folks who are getting older der who are not great with computer like IT was just a very um IT had style but the style was there to serve sort of using .

the machine yeah and they were not really looking for a minimal clean theme and and there was no consideration to making things also possibly touched targets. IT was just one hundred percent at the top in her face and maybe your screen was ten twenty four by seven, sixty eight, maybe a little bit bigger.

eight hundred thousand, six hundred forwards.

So lucky mean, that's what the devils, it's pretty funny. Oh, man, in the two in the tooling to manage your x resolution. Didn't that take you back? yeah.

I mean, he asked as a really good job holding your hands through the stuff, and you really needed that back then. But like the two, lean is really something like just trying to accept the right resolution. All of that is a mult APP process with probably six or seven different dialogues involved, really not like built into the desktop environment.

All it's completely handled by separate tooling. Kd has no idea what i'm doing. It's .

completely unaware. Yeah, right. But I was either of that or I guess can figure some text files by yourself. And ransome.

comment back in the old x ready. So yeah, wasn't doing that and the telling worked well enough. You looking looking back at at IT, IT really set a lot in emotion. And IT was later succeeded by Susan linux nine out two. So nine out one was discontinued on june thirty of two thousand and six. And I think I was sort of shocked at some bits that held up like the boot sequence or just like from a practical standpoint, how usable K D E was IT just was very straight forward in the three series and not that is not now, but as like, wow, it's really there's a lot that is continued today, a lot brought forward.

right? I mean, you could get a lot of the same things done, right? Like they might not have all as fancy features. Definitely not a bunch of AI stuff could crammed in there.

But the core part of sort of like office work, a test top environment, just like day to day use of a computer. The analogies are the same. The metaphors there you like, besides slightly how they did look, it's pretty usable functions. I mean.

it's very happy IT comes to the open office. So then you know, there's this stuff that doesn't hold up to actually get IT to boot in our vm. We had to disable hot plug support that .

took a little I mean probably four five boots to figure out yeah because .

you look at up and we were just because when when it's booting, it's starting p cm CIA card support, which if you remember this of his big cards, can slide into laptops and IT kind of locked up at that spot. But that's not really what is causing IT to freeze up. That's just the last thing that was printed to the screen. So at first we tried, well, we will just disable P C M C I card support, obviously, and you could do that with a coral parameter that didn't do IT. We then had to track a abbay back .

down a hot play. And we're trying to figure out, like corner parameter options exist from this ancient socialism. But yeah, so just disabled hot plug e. No hot plug e equals well .

on or something like that. Those were such consequently releases back in the day. Like when I was using nine one, I felt like every release was so massive.

And then when nine two came out, I was sort of an international lease. But then when nine three came out again, massive, controversial, really enjoyed. I did not a chance to boot to swap over the old name too.

I think that would have been a lot of fun to play around with the known in the old days. But I was really I was a kt test stop user back then. So I didn't really and I tried no matter from time to time. But no.

I believe you were able to just book a alive environment to play with. But yeah, brightly went through the whole installed process and I think never really use this release problem. Curious eva.

Well, I just say I went through some of the installed process. I was a really impressed that you can find a bunch these old releases on archiva org really easily. So if you want to dive in and see what twenty years ago looked like, you can definitely do that. So I I downloaded, I think I was like a seven hundred meg personal version of this Susan nine out one. So not the I think, Chris, you are running like the the whole show bang, which was three and half gigs, something like that.

So maybe I had a more minimal experience, but I was able to at least run into the life area where you do get a sense of computing twenty years ago and the fonts that were in kd, e in the whole, like, let's say, design choices that were made back in, which was production. So gic, but I I thought at the heck, oh, I got this running just in like known boxes. So you guys were doing much like commend to get IT all working. And yeah.

we were doing Q M U three three eighty six mode because, you know.

we were doing thirty two years. Yeah, so I just put IT IT up just to sea. Like, can I do as minimal amount of work as possible that just try to see what's going to sure enough yeah I did complain that I was about to install this thing this thirty two bid system on a sixty four big system like ah go for IT and I was able to get through, like I don't know, fifty percent of the installation process and IT failed to have way through.

But IT IT gave a really good idea of surprisingly how a lot of these installers haven't really changed the last twenty years. Like it's still the like scrawler of different features going by with the grow bar in the bottom. And like you to can expanded IT to see what else going on.

And none of that is really changed much. So that was a need experience. I I would suggest if anyone's even like mildly interested in this, just go grab an ISO and run IT for a couple minutes.

IT was really fun experience. And if you can get IT booting a like a whole installed, then let us know in our matrix terms. Like I got IT to work because I would love to, I don't know, spend an hour to in some of these. So I do remember my very first linux s experiences was what I was like, crazy Young, probably fifteen, something like that. And my brother shared he had some of these like mult C, D editions.

And, uh, so that was some of my first experiences, was ruin my personal computer with just trying to get left on IT and then yeah getting IT all booted and stuff and and then realizing I didn't know what else to do or where else to go. But I remember my earliest linux experiences were seeing a lot of those kd like design choices and icons and stuff. So IT IT even brought me back. So thank you for for all that. There was that was super, super fund, even if you want to just recovered.

Yeah, I agree. I I enjoyed so much more than I thought I would. And then all of these memories came flooding back to me about this release.

IT was really something. So let's now talk about today. You are running tumbled d on your podcasting machine.

And IT. Turns out we deployed IT on your system. What, almost exactly three years ago to this episode.

Yeah, I remember we did a bit of a tumble we chAllenge, which happened in episode four, three, two, for anyone who remembers that far away called three tumbleweed temptations. And I think we all kind of ran tumbleweed a different way. hate? yes. I think you ran.

Do I remember red?

No, of course I I wasn't very like immutable, but he has a funny IT must have been IT must have been .

the commute anyways. We were in about crazy stuff, and I did not expect in that episode to be tempted by tumble ed and where the title came from. But that install ended up staying on this machine, the dev one, for well since then, which is almost exactly three years ago to the day I was on november sixteenth.

And I don't know, I guess I kind of fell in love back then with some of the features. I remember one of the main features that really grab me was buttoner fest by default with a bunch of all back support. And that has been sweet.

It's the kind of feature that you don't use very often, but when you need to use IT, it's sure is nice. And i've been looking for that as like I must have default on all of my other systems ever since. So IT really changed the way that I look at cept the standard. yeah. And that's the reason I kept IT as IT changed the way I looked at how Operating systems could be installed on my laptops.

So well, that makes me almost a little sand for what's about to happen because like, I can love this up and try this .

all the time for the shop. Thank you. That pretty great.

Uh, but brand has been having a lot of issues um really for a long time and it's. It's really time that his body SAT down. And just take a look at what's going on. Yeah.

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Well, if you've been listening closely over the last few weeks, you might cut, well, the boys giving me a hard time about this particular machine, my broken susa box. So we got together earlier this week, and we hung out. And, well, I watched. Well, the boys worked hard and well. Try to fix my issues.

okay. So before we get into this kind of tell us the machine we're working with, we know IT runs tumbleweed. Our isn't a laptop. Give me more details.

Okay, well, you you too should be pretty intimate with this particular machine because this is the the def one, H P, def one. So this machine has been unfortunate, relegated to my like main podcasting machine, basically, because its super performance. I really like this thing.

Uh, however, I did run into an issue with the hinges on the monitor, which I have not solved. I tried to solve IT by taking all part that didn't go so well. And so it's not a great travel machine because of that.

And I haven't had any success repairing IT. So it's been my podcasting sort of appliance super stays in the same place all of the time. It's nice and quiet when we do recordings uh, unlike my framework. Um so that's been it's used for the last couple years and it's been if you remember, we did a tumble's chAllenge and I kept tumbled on there for probably the last couple years. I think we should look into when we installed this thing that would .

be interesting. But o so that's the I remember okay.

you say it's been pretty small, but we're talking about something that went wrong. yeah. Haven't you not been happy for weeks?

Well, a month?

No, I I think it's interesting, right? So I clearly feeling about this thing. So it's been solid in the sense that it's been around a long time and for the most part, it's been good.

But I would say for the last six months, it's been at that place. You know when you you get A A linux distribution and you've had a for while, and I just kind of get super crazy crafty. And so now i'm running into issues where every time I go to try to do updates, I run into errors and errors that I can easily fix.

Now there's more red on the screen than anything. I'm at the point where kenyan install anything. So um I think there are a variety of reasons for that. One of them is way back, I added a few extra repos, so we going to get a bunch of software that just wasn't in the defauts repos from what i'm reading is a super standard. So um so I tried to choose repositories that we're super popular to avoid this exact thing from happening.

But how long ago was that? That kind of been more than a year ago. They lasted about a year .

to be two at least OK. I think it's two years.

two years.

But I think we should try to find that, that would be interesting statistic when you .

described the laptop situation. I kind of let me think of that kid story about the steam shovel, you know, kind of build itself into the building and now can't get out this sort of laptop IT lots, its ability to travel and now it's not relegated .

to a doesn't have any more can t install apps? We were going to have brand like do a fast fetch or a neo fetch to get the exact spects and of course, can actually.

which is a bit of a problem.

So it's time we do something here. It's I think time we intervene and we save you from this and we ve got to do the right thing. And instead of fixing your package manager, I think we just had to wap this thing, the nicks, what do you think?

Yeah replace the package, the works.

And so we've done this before with V P S S. I don't know you've ever done IT with somebody's crustal install has been around for like two .

years and would date otherwise.

I didn't do that. I think so I think okay, I think you're a good play, and I made some extra space this morning for you boys to like play around with.

So I think we're in good shape. okay? So I think our first step is for something like this.

It's pretty handy to use an old topic that we've had on the show ages ago called teammate and t mate lets you share your terminal session over the web or through other s connections. And so we can all three CoOperatively share a terminal. And so we get in there and .

we'll start digit and then report back, oh.

that should be the next thing you know, they could rap a cloud service around that.

I'm sure we pay for that.

alright? We are in brand system now and looking pretty good. We have a shell.

It's been up for a hundred and ten days, a long time. Red, yes. Do you have any empathy for the machine?

I am afraid i'm just at the point where i'm afraid, oh, you don't think you come back. H, I don't know the last time, so I I tried update IT and IT failed miserably. I did not try to reboot because i've been there and yeah OK butterfish row backs and stuff, but I just leave IT on. This is fine.

I think our first thing to figure out is, do you want to keep the disco layout as IT is?

I don't know what the disco layout is. I think it's a Better, I fess, uh, partition for most of the data to be perfectly fine for me. So I I am assuming it's going to be great. Uh, but we should find out I don't I don't know that's .

what will start OK. We've been doing a little bit of expLoring here. This is a couple of minutes, four time and IT looks like we have got a lucks encysted root partition and a lux ecr rydal swap partition and an E F I partition.

You have forgot to mention that part. Okay, extra work here, right? Well, we can blow away the luck and crypt swap, that'll be fine. But the looks, crypt group particia, we've probably need to have a conversation or on that.

I think so.

And do we need the code? I think.

oh, yes, there is there some confidential information in here?

Well, it's it's presumably all .

confidence science. So we have data in here, there we need to say, or we look at IT is mounted at the moment, right? So we have access to the data right now.

Yeah.

we could put this. We could copy to the nas. We just built some of this. I don't know what are we looking at the needs to be saved here.

okay. Well, uh, great news. I already did a back up of all of the data, uh, overnight.

So I think we're in good shape there because I was thinking we might come to this point. So all good to wipe everything on this machine OK. Okay, all right. Rather that said, that would be in are good.

we're good.

Yeah, you .

said wipe 这个。 This is easier, but I think would be possible .

if we like yeah and set up the new next somewhere .

else and then mounted just who want to spend the time yeah right. Well, I think I would care more .

if this was a laptop I was traveling with because that's like something I definitely want. But these things now, just staying in my cabin that nobody knows what IT is. So all good there? good.

I did know my wife's next O S. laptop. Does your luck rapt for for that very reason he takes out about, okay.

so you just .

have one big room IT looks like and we could probably pretty easily just take that over with button vest or something.

Yeah, today we are we still to get wipe off there? Yeah get back to peer block device. Yes, but I think the mission is clear and button F S is that is that print final system .

that I have .

closing up to the a of having Better pretty much everywhere um mainly one because I want to learn IT and we just threw IT on the next thing we built together for me this week. Uh so I think I have invent tie to learn IT really well. And um the ability to send butterfly s based snapshots back and forth between my backup p seems like something I could want potentially. So I don't see why we would take that away. And then the other question is, if I don't choose about our first, what I choose doesn't me as anything more .

appropriate are old .

favorite x true? I don't need the copy on right stuff.

That's true a little .

faster and buttery.

many cases that's also very true. And a little more you look around longer, so a little more mature. Um so exactly is a really good contender there.

There is a process, I think, to learning Better F S. In both places. So you're just kind a little bit more familiar with working with IT. I kind of do think that kind of in my puts Better us a little bit forward.

And IT, doesn't you? A lot of features that you have that will just be waiting for if you do want to take a .

Better than with exec, not as flexible, even butter big decision.

you know, boys, I think we might have an .

opportunity to .

involve our old friend k exact here. Or you can only take over an existing partition. And I was kind of band. We might go that out before I found out about .

our little lucky. yes. So if we want .

to wipe the thing using k exact would get us to an in memory situations. So the this would be on come and something run off there.

We have a spot work from. We can pull down tools up .

and then get the thing going and .

then just take over the disk and not worry about messing with our working environment at all.

And then brand gets to watch this machine cakes.

Well, this justifies that right there. So I think the question is that what are we going to cakes like into because we don't have a lot of options here.

I don't think we have like another IOS or something ah. So one option is the um next communities mixo s images project. They have cakes at tables ready go. And this is actually what nixon us anywhere uses under the OK. Um and what's kind of nice about doing that this way? I mean ny x is pretty easy to get to, can execute stuff in the standard living just be a little turbo, but theyve gone a little bug and beyond here uh IT reuses s host keys um to try to keep S S working, it'll read them from various places, tries to pull them of the existing stuff before IT cakes exit. Also restored static I P addresses in routes after .

she's just the keeping your S S keys and host and the IP is super handy. Yeah they do like .

a little background cakes x so that your shell does not how to get terminated in the sloppy way um yeah, there is a nice stop put into IT OK.

I can't wait to try this really cool. And so they make a little image we can pull down and put into and are actually what we're going to do is .

we're going to loaded in the RAM. So you just curl down this ball then um extracted IT and that comes a little scrip that's going to do the case at force.

That could be really easier. How do you so do you have to doing anything particular? Do you essentially D D IT into A A RAM disco.

A P RAM disco? No, it's all taking care of in the in rap. So it's just all guys do to load the nexo s court and the next O S N M F S and .

all that at that point will create the RAM. Us can load the system in the RAM.

Uh you will the interface gets when the kernel boots. Um one of the first things he does this makes this interview F S uh area OK. It's specially your first route file system before you pivot root into whatever your real file system.

So is basically just handled LED, setting up tempteth things and filling IT out. And it's already kind of a fat in the remotest they just build IT out to make that has bunch of like the installed or two in the obedient lizer that you are. mr. Brantly, you've a blindly curled the thing I suggested that you curl and extracted IT and you're hovering with your finger over the button to start this cake. Eg.

are you ready? I'm ready. But I think that's just because I think .

i'm ready to here tell us what happens .

are at three, two, enter. Uh so um many, many things happen. IT looks like it's pulling in about the keys, that super street, which is what you promise as keys and IT looks like, I guess i'm in success. No error messages. Wow, you know why since this machine has had no her, that feels nice.

So we're not in the new environment yet.

though I know IT should be reputation is IT.

My monitor went black. Okay.

you may take, i'm guessing .

that side is, yes.

okay. This is a little tense. This is the moment. This is the moment of truth.

really. We see where IT goes. Well, this lamp top explode.

So what? What will I see if there's a sun?

Success here mean, eventually, eventually I I sometimes .

go .

wrong. IT does happen alright. We can pave IT. We can also do a manual takes like maybe .

not use the script. We can also build a custom image like if were missing some drivers or something, we need that. This in the rain of us didn't have.

I think it's getting closer to be .

in time to call IT.

Yeah I think Normally .

the same black.

the keyboards look up them.

Okay, is you do anything that looks like a matter panic. You know, sometimes you'll see like the caps lock key, flash room.

the monitor is complete like off. There's nothing.

not even back. So like the G, P, U, even got let .

up for anything. The keys are set up though, and I can you hit control .

all .

delete six times.

real p up and go times and over achieve ah you if you have .

another machine, you try A S S H to IT yeah that's true. IT might have the same .

input before OK. So I think we have success what because I why I controlled deleted like that ten times and then I just started mentioned keys, but i've got to enter a pass rates for the hard drive. Um oh.

maybe that's not success yeah, but that's okay. Would you like to go back? Yes, let's go back to susa.

And I think we'll revisit our cakes x strategy. What do you think got little to do? Boys, let's get back to work. Well, when your first image doesn't succeed, try, try again. So we went back and we grab one released older of this nixy exact image, and IT seems like IT solved IT.

One of the things we did as a test is we tried the same thing just as a side bar really quickly on west s laptop. And I have the same building issues we were having with friends and we realized maybe it's not a harder problem, maybe there's just an issue with this release. Turns out that's exactly what was wrong. So now we have A K exact naxos environment were running on brand dev one. We didn't have to come up with .

one little workaround though for the S H loggan. Uh yeah well we're still haven't got in graphics .

going and for anyway um .

yes so we had to get root set up the the script with the cakes like images pretty need IT little girl try to scan the system for for sage keys but doesn't know what users you might have so just looks under sash. We got print to copy over some keys that way. Once IT had rebooted, restored the I P address that previously had to reload of those cash. S S H keys we can associate in our theory was IT was up IT was responding on the network. We just needed to right to get IT.

We don't have IT will as as we don't have any graphics on the actual council of the laptop at the moment. So this is truly ahead this installation, but we are up and running in a unique environment separate from that lucks encysted installation. We did also for a brief moment, considered just adopting that lucks install.

That would be something that is optional, but we also to want to start fresh on that file system. So there's less incentive to do that. And other were in and we've cakes act. What do we do? Do we just start nuclear partition?

An I think to work.

That's right. Who wants to do that?

What are I? We wiped IT.

IT looks good. I have ourselves just a beautiful disk ready to go. This laptop is no longer bittle. We've just officially killed this laptop, so there is no turning backboard.

Now we build IT up again.

Yeah, now we ve got to build IT up. We have reached a critical decision phase. We've copied over a conflict from brands, previous machine and modified IT.

So we're going to have a really good starting base. But we have a question ahead of us. Do we make this a channels based install or a flake based install? And of course, western early towards flake installed. But brand, you ve got a couple of questions. So I thought it's let's let's work this out and figure out which path we want to take.

Well, i'm thinking I should lean toward flakes, even though I don't feel that comfortable with them at this point. But if you saw the next O S community survey, something like eighty percent of users are using flakes, so I wouldn't call that very experimental anymore. So I I think we we should do the flag thing, but I don't completely understand now or x at this point, like there are differences from using channels I used to doing. You know, channels are nice because they feel kind of like act in the way .

that you have to .

update IT feels a bit like a repository, a for moving towards nicks. O S. That felt, I don't know, homely, but i'm ready to move off of that feel good stuff. And but what how would you, I don't know very quickly, give a insights into what's different about flix.

Yeah okay. So from the end user Operations and point the first thing you notice you no longer need to update your channel list like to which which channel you describe you for major version updates or that kind thing. Um you also can use the dash dash upgrade part of mixo s rebuild um which just does the channel update for you uh because the whole part of flakes is IT manages your inputs for you, including next packages.

So your flake has a pin for next packages and that determines what version of next packages you get. So to do updates, you have to update your flake, then that changes the flag, that log file. And then when you do an nexo s rebuilt switch, it'll use the updated in a poll from the update and source. I think fakes are a good fit for you too, just because what that changes is instead of having the state of the channel determine where you packages come from, which is some other separate thing on the system, uh, is controlled and locked in the same report that you have. So if you pair that with good and you commit the changes to your log file just by going backwards through your commits, you can go back to any version of your system, can fag and have IT a lot more .

reproducible.

And I know you are a big geet fan these days, so you you're in a position to .

take a number of I do have a question, so I often install only a single package. Often i'm in a situation where my internet connective is a little bit a limited, let's say. And so I often installed LED, just one package that i'm trying to use. But h, so we're flakes. If i'm doing that, will flakes just pull in everything that's new whenever i'm trying to do a switch?

no. So it'll only pull in a new stuff if you update your flake. So of all you did was add additional packages to your package list for your user or whatever and then do a rebel switch. Uh, no, it'll just walk from the same a commit from next packages that you are using before.

Oh, nice. Okay, well, great. I don't see any reasons why I do this unless you have come up with some.

I think we're going on, flakes.

let's do IT all right.

Sometimes past, it's actually been pretty far less. We've had the system building. We copied a bunch of files over a bunch files because now we built a few extra things.

We are old convict, I mean ch reason.

And then we had to set user um and pastors for root and branch user accounts. So my math right, I think we .

got IT all right, it's is.

Are I brand kick IT off?

Yes, let's see. Okay, here we go. But if this doesn't work, then like we have to go back and radio hole.

but probit come up with the plan. See at this point. Okay, do yeah ready.

I want. It's going to work. Here we go. I got a good feeling is just, kay, we've now dropped out so we we can't monitored the .

system anymore. A shell on brand personal computer .

talk time about.

That so the hardware is is rebooted.

Oh, the monitor, okay, that's Better that .

we've got so far.

And i'm in a boot that that okay. So the boot loaders work .

in next one stage one, my stage.

It's creating the swap fire.

We're paying IT when i'm going to reply IT.

IT may have a different address to .

i'm spinning when I was last.

But this is my first .

time on bran's network.

Come on, brand with happiness are working. It's initialized the swap .

device and we made IT.

Yes, OK, okay. Good, good, good, good.

And we do. I think .

that's a good boys. I'm unofficially say. We have successfully overtaken brands system with a fresh fully flared suit installation suits in lation. I'm get next installation. What left is in your brain.

where in mind?

Yeah, very, very well done, boys. I was actually.

now we reject that to take his logging.

Yeah okay, good. I mean, for us in real time, IT was kind of ong because we had our first round d didn't work out because the next image might have a bug where and have to look more into that then we didn't expect a lucks crypt t hard drive. So we couldn't do a direct takeover and we considered build in out a RAM environment with a bunt to. But then before we went crazy down that path, west had a very reasonable idea to just try the previous release of that next k exact image that got us a to a spot where we could then pretty quickly take .

over the system. Yeah, I mean, once you've got a busted booted system with nick b, so all we had to do was you build the configuration that we'd on the box and then run the next west and stall command which channels in, up a new next store, copy all the files to IT and then time up like all the boot loader stuff.

Now just a matter of making sure the installed is good and adding the packages brand wants. And then i'm taking a nap.

Well, i've logged in and all of that working and then looks like a completely fresh system. So I think we're in great.

The annual membership is here and of course, the monthly membership for just this show is available. Linux unplug dog com slash membership. I just want to take a moment and reflect on linux media of past that is really no longer around from a bunch of unique websites that were around in the early days of linux to some of the pillars of our information ecosystem back in the day.

The linux magazines, where distributions would come with the magazine and you you with porth dial internet and porn and general, that was such a boom. But the advertising word while is still around IT moved on from linux magazines. And now we really have nothing, I fear, that is happening for linux podcast now. And I I don't think we're there yet, but I think we're about two years into IT. And I think I could take a little bit longer, but this year isn't looking much Better.

And we have an opportunity because of that, just the technology around podcasting between memberships and boost to keep these things going, these valuable aspects to, I think, the discussion and the information ecosystem, which is absolutely vital in a freed software community where everything's so the discussion should be open and should be informed by its listeners. So that's why I am so grateful that now in two and twenty four, we have our members and we have our boosters. We could still use more, but we have something that the linux magazines didn't really have.

They even with advertising and even with membership Prices going up, they just couldn't make IT work. There's too many dynamics that shifted is funny because if you're old enough, you'll remember what pillars of the community these things were, what absolute powerhouses they were, and just the mass iams t of money they printed from advertising, where they could send their writers on luxurious trips, attack events and put them up in the nicer hotels, cover all their costs. They were raking in the money for a period of time, just like podcast in was for a some podcast, at least not about us, but for some podcast just two years ago. So thank you. If you've ever supported the show of if you're considering supporting the show with a boost, our membership IT means a lot to us, and that gives us an opportunity to build a new path, to build a new model, and that's value for value.

What am happy to report that we are doing this very episode from this new system. So everything seems well and in place and fresh feeling gotta say and IT even updates. So thank you, gentleman, for helping ing me out to do that the hard way IT seems. Uh, before we get to the boost this week, we did want to check out on the boost d leaderboard west, take IT away our eyes.

starting with those sets to rumors, the folks that send us the most streams study with number five, our friend forward humor. Then we've got digital apia, cosme and dono celi and current leader gb.

yes, that is the folks that sent us the most sets via streaming. Well.

that's the most doing, the most streaming.

the most dreams. Oh, I see the most in number of dreams.

This drink regard this of the value you're clearly ly listed into the shows and that matters you. Thank you. But the dream seats with ts, of course.

Number five, there is then number four, forward humor. So boost in a lot both ways. Uh, number three, squared triangle.

that's hard to do. So yes, very tRicky. Well done.

Number two.

or rotted move, i'm not surprised.

Hand in number one here as well. Gene b.

live long and prosper. Okay.

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P. J. Producer jeff.

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V T. Number two, hybrid Sarah, of course. And number one, again.

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for a minute superability. The superior ambition.

Jean buttons are really good work in the first of the year. sure. Yeah sure. thanks. okay. And gaby, the most important category.

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do are set champions understanding so .

far the folks we've sent the most total sets.

Number five, rated move.

right? Thank you more.

I've hundred and twenty seven thousand. And then we've got, number four, know what? Second best at six hundred and thirty three thousand. Number three, the do A A IDE didn't at one hundred and twenty nine thousand and ads. And now we cross all .

close to one meal. So close the dude.

we cross that mark for. Number two, the deleted coming in with two point one million.

Ow, right.

And not to be outdone, our current, said James ion, number one, hybrid sarcasm.

Thank you. Hybrid d sarcasm .

with nearly two point seven million sets. That's just this year. That's just this year. That's incredible of this. I am programmed .

in multiple techniques.

Wow, that is really great. Thank you. I think hybrid has pretty much the leaderboard close to lock deleted with one big boost, thu could come up to position one.

And the due to bide with a couple of big boost could also take position one. So it's all close to thank you, everybody who has been sending those boost in there. That's an update on leaderboards.

You know we get to the boost these later in the year kind of wear at all fits. And now to the boost that came in fresh this week, we have our boller booster, a mr. Third ferguson at sixty thousand seven hundred and ninety.

Pretty good Price for the baller spot and we really appreciated. And they right, this is an episode five hundred and eight eight boost to claim VS code as the shows official text and throw in turned. First of all, that is I mean, that's a pretty discounted Price to set the official text editor. How do you feel about this was microsoft editor or we to do .

we should probably say you need to cross one hundred k to get the next one just because this was kind of .

a cheap I right. yeah. Or what if somebody sends IT enough sads to get this boost to cost a hundred thousand.

Does that count for V S code? I mean, like it's just hundred thousand sets total because right now it's like that. I don't know how I feel about that.

It's not even like VS kodiak, right? right. So yeah maybe either way, if you to stand text editor yeah or if you do love VS code, then boost some support I guess yeah, I think I guess that could be you you put further than the lead too.

I suppose i'm completely expecting the windows no pad to come in here with the new a eye features. I think that's really onna. Take the tick cake.

That's my prediction. Okay, right? Will see about .

that mad seven, seven, seven books with forty seven thousand .

hundred and thirty a .

these days. As a muli desktop user, I find the segments about new releases and deston motivating to finally upgrade my old install plus one.

No, yes. And here, good. Yeah, we were asking what the questions to after we were happy to take your answer for a week even if you get behind, uh, do you find the review of the current desktop environments and modern test top desta releases valuable or not?

Even if you don't switch immediately, do so fine. valuable. Thank mot.

We're got a couple days from Jordan barajas for a total of sixteen thousand, six hundred and sixty five.

This is gay inspired.

I'm willing to help organize a meet up in the atlantic area. If there's any interest, could you'll send up a bad signal?

Consider its end. okay.

There you go at land, the area. We're going to probably need to put all these together at some point in the future, but the land to area, you have been put on notice.

Second boost here, a casting my vote for a on as the favourite version of open susa. I put on a laptop gave to my wife, installed in flat pack apps for her. And it's been running fallest ly ever since.

That's good to hear. Well done. Also looks like they're been a next cloud fan.

Yeah they say i've been using next cloud for years and I recently came across own cloud infinite scale, which is a read of own cloud in go. Haven't tried IT yet. The word on the internet is that the infinite scale is faster than next cloud, but less mature.

So IT has fewer extensions and features. What are your thoughts? A R right.

Sounds like a whole new project. That doesn't sound like a rewrite of fork. That sounds like a whole new project is basically reimplement ting the functionality unless they're some way to go for P H P to go that I don't know about. That's got to be something cause .

A I just disable the conversions right?

Oh.

there I can give a tiny bit of context here, but with a huge, massive disclaimer. So as the disclaimer I and employ by necklace d, so I have a particular the interest here I suppose you'd need to know about. But just a little bit information on cloud was recently sold about a year ago at the end of twenty twenty three to us company kite works. Um take that as you. Well, I don't know what that means, but they have committed to keeping at least that part of own cloud open source, they say, but who knows?

It's good to know. Well, thank you, mister rava appreciate the boost. Crash master comes in with a roof duck that's two thousand two hundred and twenty two S A Brant. I too amusing the framework thirteen intel DIY a eleven gent .

and I have .

an hp come on to with and am using butterfly snaps. I come i've had no issues except for intel wifi drivers once. Thank you snapshots.

But I do update every week with my father internet yeah, and I have limited extensions. I haven't daily drove the plastic version in a long time. Well, you managed to really kind of have have a initial because of the rebels and what not. So you started having no zippo problems. And then I go sideways at that point.

Yeah, I I suspect I could have done the jeff thing and spent a week trying to solve the package manager. I have tried that in the past, if you remember, we did an episode about that. And so I do IT was just tired of doing that, to be honest.

And I could have simplified my repos, but they were providing some essential packages for, you know, some media stuff that we do. So I was just at a point where despite having had a good experience that was time to part, you know some relationships just need work out yeah but thank you. Glad here is working out well for you.

yes. And of course, thank you, crash master for the boost.

So him g boosting with five thousand, five hundred hundred and fifty five. Oh, god. A refered atomic, I did a deep dive some time ago, but the eco system is just way to confusing, at least coming from an e max user OK.

There's feda atomic feda cos and feda bootsey, which are all code on code, same but different. And then there's o esty, R P M, O esty and boot sea, which are different but currently only work with each other. Frankly, this is an open zoos level .

naming situation. You know, I mean, sounds like you got IT though out. So I know they did just spend some time and effort trying .

to make IT as some more consistent in terms of at least not like the commute able spin inside like it's like the way version and so some customer name. So yeah maybe improving over time.

Yeah, I think IT actually will, and I think that all makes sense where these components are like building blocks and which ones are the output of those building blocks. But it's not necessarily relevant yet and IT doesn't need to be right yet.

But if is a lot in flux in the works.

and I think it's something we could take on as a chAllenge to help sort IT all out, talk about where, what fits and what not. So that's something that will take on. So thank you. mr. Appreciate that.

A bit cryptic, sent in a four thousand ninety six set boost, I happen to see this episode come up in fun as, quote, quote, alive. So I started listening. I really tried guys, but I just couldn't do IT after listening to you all at one point five times speed for the last few months of the live real time experience, sounded like you're all heavily sedated and not your usual selves so today i'll listen and enjoy at one point five times cafe. In addition, I used to keep .

up the great work. I'm offended by that.

you know, Young Christian, a little offended, like, how dare you abuse my art? Sometimes we play music, but now just like, thank you for listening however you get through the show.

grateful also, even though I didn't strict the live stuff working.

That's great to see you. Yeah, thank you. Bit crap. tic. Nice for the report from the field.

It's good to hear from you now our selves coming in with ten thousand. The brakes right there says you'll think i'm crazy. But my longest distro has been arch.

I used on everything for about eight years, my desktop, my laptop, my home server, my mom's, just my mom's. I've even furred IT with pop for a bit. But now back on arch, I am getting nick oas curious, but I haven't found the time or more important, a spare machine to actually try IT. Then again, I have bounced off the next pack package manager about three.

Don't worry.

that Normal. yeah. IT took us probably three times, really is honest.

Yeah at least I do think that there are the most similar ids between arch and nexo. S I would say because the the number of packages you can find in the pose is very similar. And the way that you can, I guess, take the repose and make them .

your own know you and I.

So I want for an art based person. X, O, S, feels just right, but aren't different.

A more fish, fish boost in with five thousand. Then you supposed this is regarding the coverage of new releases like the door of forty one, about two, twenty four, ten or even the cosmic test top on while back. I absolutely love you're talk about IT.

This is one of my favorite segments on the show. I unfortunately can't take time to take a look at all of these on my own. In the extent that you will do so, your discussions are very valuable.

Well, thank you. That's good to know. Yeah, we tried. So you don't have to as well. I know people have they are very busy. You don't have time to give this stuff to go.

They still bought a distance releases in a year.

and we have worked out you work flow and this kind of stuff too. So what happy do for you?

Ah that's why I have twelve partition.

Thank you. More appreciate .

that we received a boost from user three nine four eight .

zero four four .

eight of seven thousand sets. Thanks for the da coverage. As someone whose deve environment is much tRicky on nicko, as I find federer to strike the right baLance for my needs, i'm hoping to buy my first linux test top s soon and wanted to see if you all had any suggestions, tips or wisdom to share.

This will be primarily for dev and personal work, maybe some light gaming. And I like the idea of being able to play around with eye as well. I've built a gaming PC before, so i'm open of that. But prebuilt could also sound delary well.

Is thirty nine not exactly where i've been for the last few months because I not exactly the system I describe like a little bit game, a little bit why did to be a good sold linux box? And i'm not really sure where i'm going yet. I've been i've been kind of looking at PC part picker and trying to build a system because i'm not opposed to taking the existing desktop. I have now ripping out the mother board, the power supply in the G, P, U.

And RAM build two thousand one to use the thirty nine done deal.

Here you go. But you know when I started to put the GPU on there, it's pretty, pretty bad. Um so I would .

consider to use G.

P, U. I I would say I would consider I would consider use G, P, U. I vents gone there around yet, but IT does seem a lot more economical question. Don't know what y've done with that people.

But I would say also, if somebody out there has a great linux build that they've done at a reasonable budget and you got a PC part picker list, word boost that in, I D love to see some suggestions for home build machines. Of course, our friends over at system seventy six days will give you a great next box. Um no h no, no. Kick back for a saying that just how we feel yeah.

the failure looks nice to boot.

There is there is that .

I think I have a crazy suggestion. I have recently fall in love with little, tiny, many pcs. I got myself one.

Oh yeah. But as a stronger workout, I think something like the minis forum you have seven ninety pro might be really interesting. Ta tiny little machine IT is surprisingly performance and really quite quiet.

And so if if a little light gaming is on your list to the thing can do that, no problem. If you're just dabbling with A I I think as well, that would be totally fine unless you you know trying to do some crazy stuff, but you said just just getting your feet wet. So that is a suggestion I would say to look into. Chris would think you know .

we talked about a couple of weeks ago in the members feed, we talked about the building hiring pcs, that they just open source the spec for their docking station that is designed. So you take their little kind of nuc mac mini sized PC and you put on its side in a docking station and it's A P, C I link. And then you can put a full fledge PC graphics card in a port in A P, C, I express support. And IT passes that through to the billing as a GPU.

Yeah, what have you want to add? Like a PCI floppy disk?

Know situations good that's good for that time. You never know. You might you just might let us know what you do.

And if you do put the machine together. Please update thirty nine. And thank you for the boost.

Uh, can't runner comes in with five thousand and one sets. This is a tasty barger. After using a bunt u with genome for eight or so happy years.

I switched to plans me a couple of months back after you guys discuss on the show. Well, now this show, this week show has me wonder. Invite the switch again.

Keep up the great work you have been there. Classroom puts out a great release and then gone puts out a great release. You know, I like too many good choices.

So what boosting with us a bounty on the test top for about twenty years .

in heck yeah and demi.

an on servers for even longer .

man swap is a surrenders to that. You must know that system like the back, your hand, yes.

You know the problems. You know the decorations. Yeah, you've done at all a thousand times.

So what do you feel like with some of our coverage? That was our question last year. Some of our coverage, all these new distributions do new crazy things, especially with some of the immutable able stuff. Do you feel like you're missing out on some of these new single features? Or do you just are you the kind of person who wants to wait for them to be extremely stable and trickle down with some of these who went to india vids?

Be careful what is talking about. So what's run? Big cash? F, S, right? Of course.

Yeah, maybe the f could be, could be, you never know. Appreciate that boost.

Think is what was in zilla s ninety thousand sets.

A little late .

to send this boost in, but I needed to shout out this content. This is for episode five, eight, three, nixon, easy mode. Building a development environment has always been a pain for me.

I ve used pip poetry nix shells just as I was running into issues with my latest environment. You guys drop this episode about devens. This has solved the issue I was running into you.

So thank you. You guys also deem is so convenient. I can't imagine using anything else going forward. Thank you for the technical content. As always, the new cakes that episode was .

fascinating is great to hear. Yeah glad it's useful.

absolutely. That's what we go for. And thanks for some of that value. And and let me know zenza la, that's not that good. Cirl appreciate that. Martin, a builder, is in with eleven thousand eight hundred and twenty three sets, high crest, west and branch. My favorite ite version of open suit is tumble there.

IT is, I knew we would get IT one more vote, at least in the show, marking that down tumble's with plasma six dotto its my current system. I started with open s eleven, that one, but the cardboard box and the DVD version. Nice highlights of twelve a two was kd e four eight.

Then thirteen in to one has kt four eleven leap fortitude. One has has five leap fortitude. Two brought in five, eight, five.

yeah. Leap fifteen dot two got us to kd, five, eighteen, lt. s. And now leap fifteen to five has kd, five, twenty seven, lt.

These were all good. Plasmas, very good.

yeah. It's nice when you could match a great plasma with a great L, T, S space. Two, when they had that five eighteen or that five, five eight, I think IT was L, T, S.

release. And then you could get IT on an L, T, S, distro. That's a little bit of a plastic magic for a while. Thanks for memory. Landmark preciate.

The boost producer jeff boost, a baseball boost.

one, two, three, four, five sets. So the coming is one, two, three, four, five.

To those who are thinking about learning to boost, my split has officially paid for the mesh tactic project trip, at least even before the recent Price show.

That's great to hear. I'm glad to hear .

that the podcasting in two point o tech that allows value for value is pretty incredible and truly helps make .

things happen. Thank you all again.

And now A P. J. Keeping going. Also happy to host to meet up for episode six hundred.

Looking forward to another slug. Meet up. Anyway, OK.

we've got a handful Brown here, so it's time to kick IT up. I will take very ioua ly producing signals for us. It's pretty great. Thank pj. And I agree, you know, we've been doing the boost now for a couple of years and we've been able to hold on to the majority those sats, and we're trying to do a special project, and that means those sats continue to go to work your boost ue to go to work for this network. And we are treme ly extremely grateful for IT and also very grateful for producer jeff.

Hi, five kind of service, send us three boosts, which happened to be identical for total of fifteen thousand sets. Phania am front end I use and like open web U, I works great with myself. Hosted olam instance. And to brance question about new release coverage and usage, usually jump on the new releases, but your coverage suits me to give new things a try.

That's good to know. That's good to know very much. Thank you. Hi five um so I saw your boost come in lives at the dashboard up and I went and grab open web. I west you got got to check this thing out.

Holy crap, if there's a lock going on here, but IT does pluggin a multiple different back in a plus. You can run your own local lama incense. But then IT has like this plugging system. IT looks like one of them even allows you to like call in to your L M.

And speak to IT and then IT speaks the answers back to you it's all wild um so it's a lot IT looks like a lot so I was hoping to find something not quite as much. However, nothing i've come across that is a self hosted LLM chat. U I has support for both local L M S and clod. Lot of them have anthropic um like i'm not anthropic they don't have anthropic because I am looking for but they have like OpenAI where they're have perplexity or y'll have clock or whatever, but they don't have anthropic cloud stuff in there generally.

I think I might have looked at this way back when like obama and friends were just kind of coming out but IT seems like IT yeah it's changed and grown .

and there a whole ham this so much, it's amazing what this does. So even if he just use the commercial stuffer y run on self host, the open web eye is an amazing project. And it's just blowing my mind.

They've been able to pull off. I had, I had to just sit down there. I spent a couple hours just going through IT started in instance going like I I want something not quite as much, but I really appreciated that recommendation.

Mister connector zh attack came in with eighteen thousand nine hundred ninety nine six. okay. Let's see if I can boost in again.

I wanted thank you guys for the meshta tic episode. I started playing with that back in september, and it's been pretty fun. Second, my longest running distro has been linux, meant before taking the journey to man gill and now in on front.

As for open shoes, I was run in tumble weed when I started listening to the show on my laptop. I got off to do some updates that just seem to be breaking my web brothers. I got really, I got really weird, really quick.

But thank you for putting on an awesome show. Was architect. Thank you.

It's great to hear from you. You might try a uh, wipe and installed next procedure.

Yeah yeah. You could do the way we did IT there. Maybe you could also just build up a USB live session. I'm on those .

boson with ten thousand and that impressed with your map skills west spot on last week or I will take IT. It's not always always go opens was my favorite destroy in the two thousand five to two thousand and fifteen period. That's a decade.

Well, nice. Even when my colleagues prefer to you. I like zipper, and K, D, E is a first class citizen enjoying its use studio for building custom discrown. No favorite version though, but I didn't move on to a bono for Better for d rendering and media support by default, still using that as my daily driver.

Something stick. That's a great run down, mr. I appreciate that.

b. Db, age thirty two, came in with a four thousand cat boost. The traders love the wall.

Long time member here. I wanted to thank you for all of the value that this network and community give me. I appreciate everything that you do and your ability to stick to your core values. Thank you for giving me a community to share my projects and have people who are interested in the things that I am, linux and open source in general. Here's a little value that I can spare to give back.

Well, thank you. You know, i'd be A J. Your boots, always making me smile every single time.

Aren't we all grateful for that? No, just the fellow nerds who care about this wacky stuff that I know this.

We all care about this weird thing called linux and the open source software, and not a lot of people do is a small group of us. They were very lucky to have. Yes, thank you very much.

And hybrid archie rounds us out with ten thousand at banks si schemes run by morons sending in a live boost. He forgotten til the show went live. You got your homework at on time. That absolutely counts.

Clearly trying to make sure that number ones, but continues .

to be well, very savy. Thank you. Everybody who boosted in that all our above two thousand boost, we did get a few more under that cut off, but we stop there for just basically time on air.

But we really appreciate everybody who boost in. Or if you stream one, you've listen this last episode, we had thirty seven of you just stream in those sets. And together you collectively stack thirty seven thousand, two hundred and ninety four sets, not bad at all.

And then when you bring in in with those who booted together, you all stack two hundred nm, sorry, three hundred and thirteen, one hundred and sixty five sets with fifty five unique centers participating in the direct value of value system. This week, if you'd like to try IT out, go try out fountain, boost problems or observations you have or text what you think about the show. Or if you have any suggestions for the taxes, just get the podcast apps at podcast apps I com, ones like fountain.

And thank you, everybody, who takes a little bit of time to set those boost up and send them in, keep the show going. And of course, a big shot out to our members who are extremely valuable. They said they are support on autopilot.

And as a thank you, they get an add free version of the show or they get the full bootleg, which right now is clock in the almost two hours worth of episode news and stuff that just doesn't fit in the show. So thank you to our members and thank you to our boosters. And now when we write along, so this week's pic is a little bit on theme.

We were talking about bottle F S. Quite a bit when we were working on brand system. And when you're move in data around and you're back and things up and you've got multiple devices, it's pretty easy to end up with duplicate.

And so was the U. S. That found B S. B E S. I think I might .

have been linked to one of the options. There's a few linked from the butter fs docks. Oh.

strain from the documentation. IT is a butterfly deduct agent. IT describes itself as a block oriented user space d duplication agent designed for large butterfly file systems. IT is an offline d dube combined with an incremental data san capability to minimize time data spent on this from right to deduct. I should run this on my home server.

You know, base efficient hash table imaging algorithms works with buttons fest compression IT can deduct any combination of compressor on compressed files. So that's need.

And we should run this on fake ness.

The whole final system ddd be including snapshot. Now the downside there is there's no include, exclude, no file list you can see that is gna do the whole thing. IT does see snapshots of stuff.

which is need brand. You got a new nz. You could run the song now, a new butter. F nz, you know, just let IT go go. Let go crazy too, and just let IT delete stuff.

Just let you go crazy. Brand, I thought so, explained this me, I thought about, I did this into the hood just natively. But IT sounds like you got to go and run this thing. So to me.

yeah so with the coming on right nature butter of us, if you do like online actions to the existing file system rates, like if you have a photo on desk and then you make a copy of IT, you can have that be a red link and you know it's just a little soft IT doesn't have to copy the entire file but if you are just bringing in from a different thousand of these two photos that are there.

But I fess is not going to see that now you can know there are some options like the F S has d duplication support that you can do. They even be working on improving the performance, but recently, so that could be another option. But button F S has basically has some of the like the low level hooks that you need implemented in the corneal in the file system, and then supports different user space programs that you can deploy to take a manager.

The API of framework kers there.

Yeah, another one that I saw actually just recommended this weekend by someone giving an excEllent talk at sea. Uh, was dup remove or so and that to the yes.

couple of different options are something to think about. I have the computer to the work, so you don't have to. You heard west mention the links.

You'll find that for this episode at lymon s on plug dot com slash five eight eight. Just a reminder, the deadline for the calf proposals for planet nicks is december ninety, twenty, twenty four. We're going to be at planet nx, which is gonna really alongside scale, and we love to see you there.

The next fast northwest is burning as well. So we'll telling about that in the future. And then we're also looking for your suggestions on how we can improve the taxes, maybe add a new category or other things you think we could do. Spice IT all up, and you're always welcome to join us. We do this on a tuesday, as in some day at noon pacific three pm.

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That matters a lot to us as well as we round the corner to episode six hundred. But in the meantime, thank you so much for tuning this week's episode of your unplug program. We'll see you next tuesday as in sunday.

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