MBW 947: The Mullet of Macs - M4 Mac mini, iPod, Home Hub
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This is mac break weekly episode nine hundred forty seven, recorded tuesday in november twelve, twenty twenty four. The mullet of max. It's time for mac break weekly.

The show we cover the ladies news from apple. This is the get over here, the new mac mini version. It's a little bit smaller.

never. Jason snell is here for six colors that com. Hi Jason.

Hi leo.

How's a good one? It's going really good now that I have my the tiny computer.

small mac ever.

Smallest mac is IT the smallest c it's the latest.

I think the latest .

st matter IT feels it's little big and heavy to me. I don't know, I know. Await to me this .

is in IT. That's the dio. yes. Now imagine people.

you .

actually use those things. What about? What about the pills? The pills on the White eyes .

god it's Andrew and not co of a not codd com. I'm assuming it's Andrew was IT IT could be on the day of which I don't know is IT Andrew?

It's always .

been andy .

just Candy yeah and yeah I will know that my my birth certificate name is Andrew but it's like always, always bent andy maybe because my dad was also andy. I've sometimes wondered why how some names are shortened as a default where no one I I have a cousin drew hello drew um but I don't but it's like no one ever considered like calling me drew yeah for which i'm grateful because yeah no I like you. I i've have to return to a lot of toles at this .

point also with this. Alexander linsey Alexander.

such a long name.

Alexander linz. O I know media and office hours that global and you get the the walls, the women's out it's IT is chilly .

is yeah love IT it's it's back to my season so I I get six months of hell and six months of amazing. You like a cool yeah. Well.

here we are gathered together. We is very little to talk about. And did anybody I got like this?

This is okay. So i'm just everybody would be three o'clock in the afternoon today.

Drinks he drinks IT.

I did I drinks IT. Um I did get the animation. Many I haven't gone the through the extensive testing that you want you get.

I got the top of line.

I got the best. The only thing I didn't go crazy on a ten gig of at ethernet.

The drives for in cases wondering is screaming the issues. A friend of mine, he has the top of the line one and I just asked, can you run a drive speed test? It's like over six gigs a second.

Yeah, here's here's my black magic speed test results from IT pigged. What's weird, it's time with this, with Jason about this before the show is it's pigged the right at six point six giga bites, gia bites, not bits gigabits per second. The read is slower, five point three gig, but it's not Normally in A S sd and readers faster than right.

I think there's its I O constrained or something I know I made. It's plenty fast enough. Five point four give up like the second red speed, but IT should be faster, shouldn't IT in the right speed?

IT usually is. But for whatever reason, it's not. But it's it's still it's still faster than enough. It's red speed is faster than my max studio, and its right speed is much, much faster. So now I don't even know what you would use the right speed at that speed.

I mean, because I will say the right speed typically is more important to us because got a much big files right, you want to. But IT also means that when you are um if you're compressing something or writing something, that means that writing to drive will be extremely fast. No, that makes a difference. Like if you're really compressor and you you've got a big file, the drive speed is everything and that's really where all the time is that spent.

So definitely. And also the other technique review had a nice little detail that if you went for the cheapest storage segment to one, fifteen, six gigs that spread across two modules and they said this now it's is faster than a single module. So is a vanes for going cheap like this.

This is picture of IT. I don't have IT IT cooked up. I'm using IT, but I did take a picture of with a boot of her size just so you'd point one hundred nief. The old studio IT is a really cute little do hickey and yeah so adorable .

I I really like the idea of like someone was after the power button gate let's call IT someone we're saying, well yeah, but if you've got IT mounted like at the edge of your death underneath, like if it's a perfect place, I think they're being serious about IT too and actually looking at IT, i'm like, okay, well, that's very plausible because there's no you're not blocking any experience you will have like your reports like right in funny you like for the ones you actually need.

IT will reduce desktop clutter. I mean, this is IT looks like a hub wherever you put IT. That's going to be it's going to be so much fun to play with this just where all, all the ways that i've configured my desk over the years to accommodate a CPU.

And now it's like, oh, well, I have a power brick now that is bigger than the CPU. There is going to be the hub of my entire. My entire .

does what I mean, you could always, somebody said, running up, turn upside down and then the parts on the top and the cooling would be Better. And the bluetooth wifi will have a Better access to the air. And if, you know, if you inevitably .

use IT as a coastal, which any flat surface in your desk is, and you still something to you about that, you will definite do that.

I mounted my max studio in my desk when I got the m one max studio. And it's great because it's invisible and between hubs and federal cables like i'm running a federal cable story to my monitor. But so that's one cable and that you can attach things to the ports on the back, the monitor, you can also have hubs and things under your desk.

And a big fan of the idea of like if you can do a set up under your desk, then you can have all these things, all these wires and purple erles and stuff under there and you'll never see them. And in the scenario um it's exactly right that you end up with if if it's suspended basically under your desk, the airflow is at the bottom, the power button is successive. It's all just kind of right there. It's it's a pretty good way to live, and this will be even Better.

I'm waiting for the aftermarket things to do. First.

we'll be the third prints on ec, then the'd be the companies that can afford to do a run of actual plastic at a factory and then they'll be the ones who cut the metal versions of them. It'll be a little bit nicer. And I watched that all have because i'm actually my max studio is suspended with a lucite mount that was meant for the old mac mini.

Excuse me, and a hard drive. Yeah, fits. Yes.

I and and I I have all my computer set up to restarted power loss. So as a result, I have hit the button on my mac mini. I've had I have four mac mini here and putting another one in for something else um and they are all stack up.

So having on the bottom be inconvenient for me for the two times that i've done IT in the last right, two years, two years. And I was trying to member was like, I can't remember when I ever use that power supply, because usually IT comes with me. The only time I need the power when I move things around and reflux ged everything in and and when I do that.

they're i'll come right back up again and that's pretty but great jaws wai and john Turners were interviewed by chinese content creator on a Billy Billy and pretty much said, what was the most logical thing, which is that a we didn't think IT was a big deal because people rarely need a power cycle, the mac anyway. And also kind of like what we were indicating like last week before, the button has to go somewhere.

And especially when you're making something smaller, packaging become such an issue that IT goes where you can fit the power button and they're there. Certainly, we engineer everything to make a go from the farm of the side, especially if they once again think that is not something you're gonna to access that much anyway. I mean, on my intel, my intel mac mini, there is a power button.

But it's like, so blended into the court, the back corner of IT, that I almost can I reach her out? How to try to feel that I almost can't feel IT. So power button on max has never been something that they're been really innovative and or desire to be .

innovative in casing is IT quiet is yes, I haven't heard mine the fan.

Come on, I um well, dan ord review that one so he's got IT he said he he and I had the whole like is there thing in there and there absolutely is. But IT is very quiet. I think they sent him.

The non pro model. And if it's anything like we've seen with other systems in apple silicon, the you really need the the pro model and then you need to kick the GPU and probably the CPU. And even then like is there are much fan noise. And remember the orizondo max studio, uh, had a bit of fan noise, but they quieted IT down. And I think that um it's there, but you basically can hear you would have to work really hard to hear IT at all that holds a your warm holds that you your ear like it's a shell or something like that's .

what you'd have to .

do more if I playing a game although I haven't noticed that IT was a little warm when I was first transfering everything over from the m one max studio. Little warm, not hot by any means. I know I think it's pretty limit. It's you know sometimes when you have something that small, you you have heat problems, but I think this thing is hazard and i'm sure the studio will be even visitor.

There's another detail from the rs review on that point where with the m four power books, mac books and also the new mac many, they've added high power mode to these models as well, not just like the the the models before. So that's that's the all where they're saying, well, OK screw that. We need high performance.

Well, we don't care about the noise but to do is the best we'll be Scotty in the injured room yeah screaming about OK. It's barely containing IT right now, but i've got ten you ve got twelve second before work. I like I took the sixteen .

and backward pro, which has the. For pro processor. And I put IT in the hypocrites de. And for those who don't know, hypotenuse de is literally just run the fans as hard as you need to. That's all IT is IT doesn't change the chip except in the sense that the chip doesn't throat at the point where with others SE, they are willing to do a certain level of throttle to keep the the laptop you're in this case the that top quiet um but high power mode exists to basically say, I don't care how that that gets just run of the fast as you .

can and and if you are on final production on on site or you're trying to record a voice over or something being able to throttle all IT down. You don't need all the speed, but you need to keep running and so and not make a lot of annoying. So it's it's a good it's a good little scab there.

Although I have to say, I think was times hardware that noted in their benchmark that the high power mode didn't really make IT that much faster. It's that they .

also so it's it's a question of how you measure and the people over the times gather are very smart. Um but I would say I having seen that test, what what happens is to really measure performance. If you if you take IT in high power mode versus not, it's about a lot of heat over a long time because you need to get IT to thorough.

And first of, these systems are really hard to throat anyway. I mean, in some cases, I found you really gotto kill the GPU and the CPU simultaneously in order to get so much heat in that system that IT says I got a slow down and then you put IT in high. So hypotenuse de is intended to just never get there.

Um I would imagine that there is a difference. But again, I mean, high power mode is weird, like you probably shouldn't use IT, right? Like you could.

But I suppose you really need to get that like, yeah, I mean, you're you're right. We actually can take much more, captain, to use the Scotty metaphor. Again, you probably shouldn't use IT. But what I like about you, they have had various scandals about throttle and all of that.

And I think that they finally decided, look, if you don't like throttle, fine, fine, we will crank up the fan yeah and you will be annoying, but you will get because I was able to get that fan and be reallowed on the macbook pro when I was playing a game. And by great, like if you want that, you can choose to have IT, but by default, it's going to run the fan a little quieter and throat when he needs to and that's fine. You you get to choose.

It's nice that they give you the choice, right? I think was a problem with their pho sophy, a few years ago about charging battery levels, power levels and throttle. And all that is that apple is inclined by its nature to hide those things from the user.

And they got called out. And so they're like, all right, we're going to set some defaults, but it's up to you to decide if you want to charge your battery to one hundred percent and if you want the fans to come on, if you want us to throttle. And so so it's it's a funny feature. High power mode is right. It's it's intentionally contrasting with the low power mode when you're battery is running out, but it's there if you want to hear something in noise.

it's great. It's likely that the benchMarks, that the people you don't really chAllenge a high power mode because they're short.

Yea.

which is pretty good because since bench.

i'm sorry that we're really in the weeks now in terms of bed marking tools. But like a fast chip is going to run the benchmark fast and therefore, it'll peak. And then i'll come down, which tells you something about peak performance, but that doesn't necessarily tell you about a sustained job, right? So send bench is different in that.

First off, by default, I mean, you can get a significant score with a one past, but what they want you to do by devolves run up for ten minutes. And there's also basically an in this mode and where IT just keeps going. And that can be really useful because what you want to see is what happens after ten minutes of running IT, after ten minutes of high test kill in the GPU, where it's presumably heated up a lot and is struggling to cool itself.

How fast is IT then? Which tells you something different than what it's like after a minute IT really does a deep bench is great, but in a bench, especially if you extended out, can tell you more because I will run a long time. And that sometimes, like I did this one, I was reviewing the macbook arvs of the macbook pro, right? The m four macbook pro and and the and three before IT IT has a fan and the air doesn't have a fan, ironically given the name air anyway.

And you have to run that test. You have to run test for a long time to see the separation between those two systems because that's when the fan helps. And then you can see that it's a little faster when it's got a fan.

So Andrew ingham says best apple's best mac mini ever, right? I mean, that's not saying a lot. And I mean because always the best iphone.

the next computer ever .

backwards.

the butterfly key is where a step backwards, the touch farm, maybe a step ward. So maybe but but I think .

this is the case that this is more than just the best ever. This is like I would .

really I think IT appeals to a broader section of the market than ever before a higher end because IT reaches yeah I mean, like apple keep shaving off. Like who even needs a mac studio, let alone a mac pro this point like that, that m for approach, he is so strong IT IT has taken such a leap forward in so many ways in terms of performance that like between that ana macbook pro as well, like do you need more than the pro ship? I mean, if you need lots and lots and lots of GPU cores, like you can get twice many on the max chips.

So that's okay, right? But like I don't know, like you, we're just slicing at thinner and thinner and thinner where like I used to be, the mac mini was kind of underpowered, like could use a mac. Me, well, i'll put IT in a closet as a server.

But i'm not not me. I'm not gonna touch IT because it's dirty and consuming. Like now if you need A A computer on your desk, like and you're even approach doing video and stuff unless you're a super high level, like how many people need the power beyond the m four pro IT is in the mac mini?

Like it's it's all there for most people now fault and .

I ticked that that yeah yes, with that, that's like IT really comes down to like if you're running if you're running research models, uh, data models, weather models that you need a can is and an obscene amount of memory system memory, that's when you go for the pro. Everything else though, why would you even bother?

I mean, and either put in perspective the new mac many supports up to three monitors right at all levels, I believe. And you're talking about being able to take a mac mini and put three four k monitors. It's actually two displays up to six k and one of the four k whatever.

But three, four k monitors on IT get a hawaii or whatever ARM. And now you have three of these monitors around you with this tiny little computer, and that still costs less than A A imac. And so now you have this huge on a real estate.

Um that is is one little computer. This is ninety five percent of the market. I mean, this the just the five ninety nine version that came out for ninety nine of eu is ninety ninety five percent of the market right there is part .

of IT is because apple has now started at sixteen gigs. Iran and that's well now I will tell the entry level is good.

I I, I eight of the given ones and they're in great like you know, I will say that I mean, for average person, there's a we can't run, but I open photoshop on I do a lots of things. So I don't I mean, sixteen weeks is obviously a huge jump up, but the a gig for a lot of the stuff that the average person does and even for me running zoom and all kinds of other things like lots of zoom, like sixteen channels of zoom or eight o of zoom, has been working on a gig mac money. So it's pretty mazing also.

I mean that look, the reason I mention that is because apple charges kind of an exorbitant mim for both RAM and storage. And so the base model, which is sixteen giggs iran and five twelve eggs of storage is the low Price, but that's probably good enough for most people yeah I say nineteen .

nineteen ninety to ninety five percent of their market.

especially since he has A A high speed external port that you can attach external storage RAM attached. Also.

I think IT is critically important that the minimum bian for mac remains at five ninety nine, four ninety nine for education. So i'm very much in favor apple doing whatever they have to do to the minimal skill to make sure that, that doesn't change. And again, that's the minimum of of money you can put you can walk in with to the apple store with and walk out with a working mac. And that's always been one the most attractive things about the about the mac money.

And I highly recommend people thinking about, I mean, someone who's had lots of all of different apple map products that out there really think about mac mines because you know having a able to have your monitor and then when you want to swap out the computer, you're not paying for another monitor. When you go to a new imac, you're paying for a one another monitor that you may or may not need with a mac.

Many, in the reason I have so many of, as I stack up, I connected into lots of different monitors. And when I buy new and i'm only buying the processor and the can connectivity, i'm not buying all the other things that are required. And it's just it's such a great platform to do that.

And I have mac mines that are ten years old in my system. They are doing something that managing keys, they're managing something else. They just and when someone was asking me, like, what happens when you need to repair them as, like, i've never had to repair that many like, I like ever let me correct myself.

Ma cans telling me the base model is two fifty six cakes storage. Is that enough?

And for a base model, let's fine you even that's enough to stall base a base array of apps on if you're running photoshop, if you're doing if you're doing video editing and you want assets to be exposed. Cp IT was possible, maybe not, but that's not everybody. Again, as A I would need to I really want to mak. I only have x amount dollars. I've got thousand dollars to spend on the entire system, and I can't afford to spend a thousand dollars just on the mca alone.

That's permanent find. And think about this kids into thinking about taking your I photo library or your photo library and putting IT on a external yeah stores which you should do anyway yeah but but the but putting on that external t source because a lot of us have collections that are much larger than a and two hundred pieces gigs. So so that that might be where you start to those it's .

those store gery, that might be a problem.

Well, I think about five is going to get you real close, but still not not as fast, but real close. And you could, but it's more expensive, right? But I think the question is, like andy said, fast storage is the real important part here.

If you need to add video, right, you want that on the device or you're going have to pay for very expensive fast storage that's external. But like a lot of stuff like alex is photo library like that doesn't to be super fast. He just needs to be to hang off.

You buy a samsung sd on amazon and and know if it's under your desk. You literally just let code to the back bottom y of your desk. I've got one in there.

It's just talked in to the little loose thing with my mac studio only and you don't even remember that it's there and that's and that's a lot cheaper on board storage um and yeah my server is a two fifty six m two base model and yeah, i've got a rate attach to IT that's that's got like twenty ten. It's a data on IT. But like all I need on the device is enough to like have some apps and documents and almost everything else has been relocated to external storage.

And it's fine, right? So IT really depends on on what you're doing. But unless it's superfast storage, that's why I keep calling people is like I know the storage is expensive, but unless you've got big final cut projects or something like that on there, you know that you need the speed of IT. You you know you can get low storage and then buy SSD and attached and it's fine.

I mean this is a this is a crucial to tabby. Uh x ten pro i've got a bunch of these um and I think that IT is right now two hundred two hundred and seventeen dollars and it's two gigs per second you know to the um ah now if I middle if you're writing for IT, once he goes over, about forty percent of its capacity starts to slow down but when is doing the right to IT continually? I can do that, but for the most part, like your photo library, all the stuff that you might want to do. This is a little add on to that, that other world .

computing has started. Offer a pretty order for a about five to dock would .

IT be good and expensive, but good.

Yeah, I have there to pull three dog that exactly.

just like that. I have the RAID.

That's my RAID on my server, is there? Yeah, and I haven't to a rate for m to radio. So that should be pretty fast, although it's not thunder. Five, I get something .

i've got about three discouraged with them. And let me tell you IT, is the drives that are the problem connection, right? Like the drives because they're spinning desk still and they're just not like there's more band with a todd needs o, it's all just that they are fast enough.

Then about five cables you will be required. But I know there only twenty dollars for the short ones product. Get three of those.

right? The short ones are they only chips right? there? Sure ones are passive cables and long ones have the chips.

and they need to relate. You go to a meter twice as much.

Yeah, the one that i'm waiting for is this one, which is, this is the O W C. This is the m two, or whatever I have. Yeah yeah. This at doing. Yeah with with NBA, whatever are I mean, you can go to thirty two terabytes in the little box and .

it's silent. My RAID, my RAID is like a popcorn pop that is always going in my house and like, I love you. I love that i've got twenty terrible tes or whatever in there, but the day is gonna come and it's going to cost and I don't like how much just going to cost, which is I haven't done that yet, but I cannot wait for the day where I can bring my server back into my office with me because IT doesn't sound like a pop point pop or a percussion or but right now it's in a closet somewhere where I can still hear IT.

But at least it's sort of quiet and yeah the days of fast SSD storage everywhere and that's there my last spitting hard drives in my life. And I hate them and I want them to go away. But they hold too much data for me. Kill them yet.

Yeah, the m the this is the the O W C got this. We're not, by the way. O, O, W C is not.

I wish they were there any .

money for their on top this.

they're taking my money.

So that calm is their website. You just go there like they do make stuff that nobody else really makes that is designed for apple use.

And oh, there you go, a thunder five S S, D, six gigs per second .

gonna cheap, but it's going to be fast.

Yeah, what's the four hundred .

dollars two days? But that's day ago.

So you could get to two fifty six gig, you could and get that. And again, a lot of times when .

you're buying those, I mean, I buy them, i'm buying them as blue. So they're specific to do something like i'm working on a project next next year if IT goes through or buy one hundred of these, but i'm going to buy a very basic ones and stick them in places where they need to work. So there are basically edge compute for me to do a bunch of things all over the U.

S. But the point is, is that this changes because they are so small and so powerful for the base unit. I think the base in is the highest value, you know and and it's the uh it's got the most um bk for your book.

And I think that if you can keep IT in that area, you really just have an incredible uh, opportunity to you know I just a lot of things changed for us when that one came out. We saw the actual spects like, what can I actually do? We heard about that.

We heard rumors. We know what our current mac mines can do. And this one is it's one of those times when the computer jumped a cup, what feels like a couple of versions forward.

Yeah, yeah.

This is a revolution. This wasn't by no means incremental if they just put like if they had just put in him for into the old package and said box, uncle IT would be nice. And the process is wonderful. The power profile is wonderful, but this really does feel like they took an opportunity to say, well, look, we've had the same box for how many years now.

What can we do given how much we know about how, again, packaging optimization and the fact that is smaller? I mean, it's not as though you can feel the extra oxygen in the room that the smaller one, these places. But there's something about IT that just says this is something I don't know I don't know how to put IT that well, but there's something not okay, no, is not just a new version of the same box. This is IT feels a little bit more exciting. And for even if you just spending the six hundred dollars that be exciting.

the best apple devices have personality ah the bond I blue imac had personality.

The g four I met still, I think the greatest mac as an object that y've yeah.

And this is in that category of something you look at and go, oh, I mean, it's not a luck, IT tells been making those ducks for what? This is not a duck. There's something very beautiful about it's beautiful, right?

Just again, the raw horse power for the dollar is just incredible. IT is beautiful.

but I think is the main part is performance .

is not just pretty. We know IT is incredible amount of a horse town in one place.

is there? okay? So this has become the new mac many love fest and have no, no negative so far about IT. Are there any .

everyone to power only about something that's a sign.

right when the gate is .

the power button? Maybe the pretty .

good here i'll give you. I'll take a run at IT ports, right? So you got the U S, B, C. Ports, which is nice, but but the names are gone, which is fine. Like I think I think we're all over that.

So what i'll say about that because I think it's worth saying is, you know hubs and docks and things are out there that are pretty good. And again, if you if you are attaching this to a display, right, it's gotto have a display. Um your display probably has ports on the back.

So one thing you could do if if you want to have extra stuff, is put IT attach to your display or if this is under your desk, whatever you know, you can chain a bunch of different hubs down there. So it's a solvable problem in a way that I know apple, all of apple's photos are right, like it's a perfectly a maculate desk with just this computer and two cables, but they can even see that. But like realistically, you can get as many ports as you want.

And with the thunder USB c it's very, uh, it's very flexible. They can be sort of whatever speed you need them to be. I have a cheap amazon USB a dock under my desk and like it's it's crappy, but I like lets me charge some stuff and that's all that I really need IT for.

And and so you can decide how much you want to spend. But a there are a lot of cheap dogs out there. And the only other note that I would say is maybe a criticism is that some people have criticize the fact that the headphone jack is on the front.

And I just wanted to say one headphone jack still exists. That's actually kind of cool. And too, I think the rational there was if you're using this in the scary where you want to plug in your headphones. Having to be right in front of you want to best top or whatever you want to point in, right?

There are not reach rand back and people say, what what if I have speakers and I want to plug them in like, okay, there is a super cheap U S, B C to audio dangle that you can buy that plug into the back. And then you plug g your speakers into IT. And if you want something nicer, there are also a really nice headphone named and speaker emps that are you b that will plugged into the back. And so I think it's A I think apple made they are right compromise, which is organic ics on the front party in the back, uh organ omics on the front to plug IT in. And if you wanted on the back, there are super cheap, easy to use S B adapters that will get .

you out to a op. So that could.

if you had a bunch of cables coming out the back, that would kind of look like a millet.

wouldn't, or you could do IT my way, which is that I have my, my computers on dated, and I have a dated to exalt connector to my speaker. And then, and then, so all you need is A R P O E ether .

net to A X, easy and .

no problem. Any do you, any computer or any .

device that you want to come out of that speaker? You just go into the dated around I am OK.

The other thing that excites me about this is they don't do case changes very often, especially with the mac many. It's been fourteen years since the last one. yeah. And I think when you look at that, we talked about can you get the fan to blow in the mac mini? I think one of the things that's going on there is that they they're not designing this for the m four.

They're also designing for the m five, six, seven, eight, ten, right? And so they want to build IT with the thermal profile that they have confidence that they're be able to get the the base and pro level chip in there for years to come. And I think that's why that cooling system is, is the way IT is, is like it's probably got a lot of headroom that they're not even using now because they know that they're not gonna change this thing.

And it's excited like it's new. We don't get new mac designs. I mean, they are fuelled down, have changed in a couple of years.

That lesson and pro, they couldn't upgrade because a cool and couldn't be the well.

i'm glad that they don't change this one very often because they have trashed all of our enclosures. Like, I have to admit that from a pure, I like the fact that is small. No, I really a and smaller .

you can even like fit a blank around IT to fit into your old the doctor. It's completely deficient, but it'll be like this for a long time. And lead your point.

One of the reasons when you're talking about like redesigning that trash can mac pro is apples, the chip designer now, right? Apple, apple. And this doesn't get set enough.

Apple designs its chips for specific computers, not as as a thing to just go out into the market like intel did and does but did for the mac. And as a result, like they know what the m five and m six and probably am seven look like. So like they're not just designing this speculatively. They also know what the next few generations will probably hold and are designing the match many accordingly. And that's also kind of exciting.

Yeah yeah. And this also boats welfare future m for devices. Of course, the laptops macros are already macros ready up, but there's no lot .

we're had a Better discussions on office hours like we can even imagine what we going to in studio, the pro, if we're in this in the mac, yes, it's it's pretty.

Yeah, there's still a max and an ultra to come.

Yes, the max is out, right? The max is out. It's just right. So you can you can get IT in the micro de. And I got a pro model of the microphone, not a max model, but there are a few people who got seto with IT. You know it's more of everything but especially of GPU and and a much higher max GPU, but still it's a yeah there it's pretty mazing. And then if they take two of those together, what does that even look like?

It's and we may get more like if they get rid of the USB s on the studio, you might be able to put either two or four more USB in above u m 3 five。 I would assume that were going to get number five, at least four across the back and probably six, eight across the back of the max studio. So the interesting .

the front and the back that I vote five or the front is not .

front meeting.

It's U, S.

B, C. And I think they're all U, S, B, C. In the front and then it's the party in the back party.

We're all the stuff that is the model of max. And I think we have a shop title. Let's let's take a little break and come back with more.

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Ah let's talk about the reebok code because I am confused. I want to understand to this four or four media. Joseph x broke broke this story last week.

In eighteen one IOS eighteen one, apple introduced something they call a phone reboot code, and law enforcement lift. Law enforcement was cording to four four media freaking out about mysteriously rebooting iphones. Experts have looked at the code in eighteen one, and they found that this is intentional. IT locks the phone after a period of time. But you can have to explain to me why that's a good thing and how that forwards.

No, it's very good for a four head of bunch of really good stories on IT, starting from when they didn't have the whole story yet where just there was like traffic on like digital forensic forms saying again, cops were like to me because, you know, when they collect the phone for evidence or just for whatever reason they put in, they put in a bag so that you can be, can connect to the outside network, can't receive a factly risk, everything, anything like that, and and they were fighting that, you know, these things have been shut down on reset. And they were wondering there, they were even hyped pothier ing that these iphones were talking to each other in the room to give each other like shutdown codes. But actually it's just a new thing in eighteen point one where I feel well, again, if I do, I believe that the time limit is four days after four days of of this use, able to simply do a restart.

which when you say a restart, IT doesn't start to turn off and on again, right itself.

No, doesn't wait IT up. All IT does is like IT starts from a state of, I don't know who has me, I don't trust anybody who is holding this thing. So basically the the the most thorough state of security you can have, guess it's not an emergency locked down mode.

IT is, by the way, you are going to have to pin code. You are going to have to provide all the all the data are going to have to have. This is meant to the, uh, any attempt that a third party might have.

Mostly bad people but um but I cops get involved in that dragnet as well. It's going to make a harder for them to use forensic tools like celebrate other things that are meant to exploit things that apple doesn't know about to get into a phone without the user permission. It's such it's such a funny, funny thing.

I think it's a larrie because um law enforcement always has a reason to think, oh, why you making our lives harder? We are. We took this off of a crime victim, and we're trying to figure out who killed this person.

Know, making our lives harder because now we can get into the food was making harder. But nonetheless is like we put in we didn't put in this feature. Apple saying apple has been said, but like apple is moralize saying, we didn't put in this feature to basically stick a finger in the eye of cops. We we did IT because that makes the phone more secure. If IT makes the phone phone more secure against forensics like a law forced front such as well, that's not our problem because it's not. We remember that in this country we worry about, you know, if you're pulled over, pulled over by its highway patrol, rol person asked a handle of your phone or they just get a court order, they say, hey, got hand over your phone and you're worried about the evidence is going to be on this phone in other countries it's, oh, by the way, because a government agency basically beat you up, took your phone and now must have all the contacts of people that they can also bring in and beat up because they're also journalists who are speaking against the government or not, but not falling in line. So this is actually a lifesaving features almost I mean, it's it's i'm not joking when I say that some other security features should be labeled under apple health because they keep journalists and dissidents and and partly people alive.

Anything this could tweet the code itself in response to the four or four media story. Apple, indeed, at a feature called inactivity reboot in eighteen one is implemented in key bag d and the apple sep key store kernel extension and and the technical term is IT takes the phone from an a fu statement, a state which is after first unlock to bf, you before first unlock. And so that's making IT harder for tools like celebrate to get in and get your data.

And i'm very clear that apple does not like celebrate, I think, regards of of what you know they're going to do anything they can do to stop celebrate and and it's i'm sure that there's a mission in there of like what can and I think that if we look at apple pattern, this is four days.

I can see them changes in two days or creating a user you know like three versions down the road IT could be if my phone gets fifteen feet from my watch turned up know we started you know like you know and and know that you just automatically close IT off um if I get if you know so those are the kind of things that apple could be slowly. If they added IT immediately, there is confusion and upset. They have to start IT out.

Have everyone see that it's there, then start to turn. But the pattern is, every update that we see to the OS will probably see them tightened this news, not loosen IT, not so to make IT much, much a more secure. And again, when apple is this is not an altruistic tic thing that apple is doing, this is a business.

Their business is privacy that they are as they they are building a relationship with with their with their their customers that is asking for biometrics, it's asking for their blood pressure, is asking for a personal information. It's asking for them to talk to um you know apple intelligence and IT looking at everything is going on and making decisions their entire business models based around. And it's not only gonna walk away from IT, but it's also not authorised c. It's just this is the business, the their businesses, we can do something that no one else can do and we're going to keep driving down that path. But they have to keep on making IT more and more secure because asking for more and more .

personal information are a favorite cpt. graph. Matthew Green says, remember the real, this is from four four media. Also remember, the real threat here is not police. It's the kind of people who will steal your phone from align purposes. This feature means if your phone gets stolen, the the ives can't nurse IT along for months until they developed detect to crack. I would bet that rebooting after a reasonable accomodate in activity probably doesn't inconvenience anyone, but IT does make you phone a lot more secure.

I think I think you're to get that the .

whole point here is like I just want to make this point clear that just because sometimes law enforcement uses a security hole doesn't make IT not a security hole, right? It's a huge security flow in IOS that apple is trying to fix. And they have have recognized that there's a difference in security tween before first unlock and after first unlock.

And this is just enough that things have wedged in there. And so they're saying, all right, if if our problem is that we are more trusting after there's been an unlock, but people are using that to exploit things for weeks on and afterward, let's set a time lime. I mean, it's pretty straight forward now.

There are probably lots of ways that you can also break those phones before first unlock my gas is, but it's probably harder. And so that's why they've done this. I just think it's funny that the angle was that came out with police, but really should also be everybody who stealing phones and shipping them off to a some other country where they forcibly unlocked and then resolved or whatever, or your data is scanned.

And like that is douteless the primary use case here? But IT IT also is used by state actors and things like that, too. So this is, I mean, apple in the end doesn't care, right? Apple once wants IT to be as secure as possible for you as a user, whoever the user is.

And I know that people use this against and talk about law enforcement, but that's the same illusion that we've had before where there's this sort of like magical, well, a back for the good guys. That's not how we work. Expect doors or bad doors. They're bad and they're more exploded by bad people than they are by good people. And apple's job is not to accept back doors.

It's to ah they do just have cox at four four media does point out he quotes Christopher advance, who works for a capital called magnet forensics, which law enforcement uses to crack these phones who says it's imperative you collect the data from your A A few devices as soon as you can. Yes, don't wait, okay because IT will go from A, F, U to B, F, U, and that's a big F, U. Anybody trying to get in there? I see how what I did there.

A good, good. right? Thank you for explaining that to me because I wasn't sure how this helped.

Yeah, I I will add something to commerce that I do think that um IT is part of their business plan to make sure that they are always saying the privacy company, we're the security company. I also do think that, that is part of their corporate culture just on principle that any time that they can do something to make IT safer, to make IT more secure, to make IT more more private, they going to do that.

And as we, as it's always important to say, they can. They are free to do all this because the machine in the middle, the in middle, the basement, that turns out the money is not not request that in any way on compromising privacy or security. So they are free to do that as much as they can.

But I also believe that that is, uh H A A holy thing to them, that if we have to if if there is something that we can do to make things more secure, more safe, we're going to do IT. We talk about IT earlier today about the the problems of of the like. We're not we're not going to let you.

We're not going to let you over run the fans. We're going to let you over clock. We're not going to a let you run this too hot because we want to make things as good, good experience for you as possible.

Uh, there is another story, about eighteen point one in which they happened. There were some scary, scary headlines about how apple had started to ban unsigned apps or a notarized baps from being be launched. All they did was they just made IT less easy to do.

So there's a shortcut where I would just I would warn you, and he was if you option, click the OK, but and that will little run anyway. Now you really do have to go into system settings. You really have to drill down into security and you really do have to find that button and click.

But that's another example of there is here is a way that we can make things more safe and secure by making IT more hard or less easy to run apps that we have not ourselves checked out and we don't have the apps that we don't have the ability to shut down if IT turns out to be full of nowhere, we're going to do that. It's going to convenience some people. But that's what we're going to do because that's our philosophy.

Yeah yeah. And of course, Steve jobs as a hippy and probably the ani authoritarian and think I think because that is still in there, I mean.

of some of in this conversation, some of listened conversation, remember like when I was a teenager and I was like the kids versus the hippies or on the internet about the webs, say, no, there should not be any encryption or privacy whatsoever because the information wants to be free. Man, like, yeah, but I don't want you having access to my .

banking numbers. So commercial the web. Man, no money should ever change hands on the internet.

Man, IT was a real thing that people did believe that that duck cut that com was a charge and should never be commercialized in any way. And we got over IT. And I do I do very much think that .

privacy and security and everything else is very much a cultural thing at apple and something that a lot of believe in. But I think that what's important to understand this when I say it's not altruistic, it's just saying it's not something they can easily say we don't want to do anymore. Their own business model based on IT know. So the thing is that if you think you can think well, that's a culture, that culture can change. But I can't really like IT IT would be incredibly difficult IT IT will be turning, you know, a freight train at at two inter miles an hour .

in a right angle. I handle out, though, that tim cook, the CEO. Is very diplomatic and has done immediately, as with every CEO of every tech company twisted on present electronic Victory. Congratulations, explanation, mark. We're look at forward to working with you.

I wonder, you know, there is this kind of tension between not the tips of stranger to this, I mean, he was in china, when they are not in india, to start making iphones. Know there. The number one customer for the time when is comedy? T, S, M C, so he baLances of opposing forces very well. But law enforcement, is you part of the trump administration at the same time.

right? Yeah and also till else's point, this is also the company that like whatever government says that yeah, we don't want you having VPN apps. We don't want you having giving our citizens ability to cause china russian as where there are also the company that like, oh, we want you to take down down this podcast, which I I want to paint that the black and White, good or bad sort of thing, you have to you have to obey the laws of the country that you Operate.

And at some point, if they ask for too much, a company has to basically make a statement of principle either either a statement passively, a statement of no principles. But yeah, IT is about thing like tim cook. You have to you really have to appreciate the fact that he, he, he can walk out of these meetings with his hands clean, because his principal, as he stated in interviews, is that you don't lose anything by talking.

You don't lose anything by keeping the channels of communication open. You don't always say yes, but you don't want to simply say, i'm not gona talk you about this anymore. So that's a very positives, very non elon must thing to do. He's an adult. He's a grown up, which is probably won the reasons by apples at three hundred dollar what.

And I think I think that he apple has drawn lines that are very defendable there. And they're small. There is a small studio that they're like, you can have the phone um they can you tell us that we can have some apps? yes.

Can you get access to the cloud data? yes. Can you get you know like you've decided this is where we can fend, we can create an absolutely defendable thing. And I think that in most cases, if countries wanted to get into that last area, apple, which used to lead the country before, they would give up the phone.

And so I think that that is A I think but but they are very flexible and very you follow all the other rules outside of that that um that war um because othe wise IT IT would would be defendable, you know and so they figured out where they where they create that um that will work and and then they defended from there. And I think they they've been very consistent globally in every country to do that. And and again, and lots of there's lots of things that they are flexible about because you can't you can't keep on Operating .

if you and and also, to be fair, international human rights orange tions have spoken and written about this sort of thing and said that um although it's not optimal to do things like a turn off VP and in a country, the presence of a company like apple to provide iphones to provide these services is a Better is a larger benefit to the people who might be oppressed in that country than the hypocrisy, so to speak, of caving in on privacy and things like that.

You can that the position is that you can't necessarily be all or nothing. You can still provide support to the people of of an oppressive regime, even if you are at, within reason, exceeding to some of that government's demands. Yeah.

I always felt was Better to work within the establishment to try to change this establishment. If you know what I mean, sharing b in our youtube as when apple took on the government, IT was at the height of public sympathy for government doing whatever to go after, uh, terrorist and IT wasn't easy. That's a very good point. They did the politically difficult thing to do.

And for the conditional.

let's a little break when we come back. A very big birthday to be celebrated on sunday. I was, I was a huge party, and we'll talk about that a little bit.

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You're wrong, this little guy, the ipod, the original ipod, was lodged november eleven, two thousand one. Wu, actually was october twenty thirty. I got a wrong, but anyway, it's quite love. No.

so the this is I can tell you about two thousand one time lines because IT was announced in october and shipped in ogan.

Okay.

that's why here's here's my little tidbit, which is I know this because in between those two dates, my daughter was born and we got review units when they announced IT. And so my daughter, i've said this before, was one of the first babies born with an ipod playing in the background because IT wasn't out yet. IT wasn't out yet. Ah and so yeah right now little in a regnant but yeah so it's been since much .

she's a college graduate .

now is just amazing little too much perspective if you ask me IT is a .

yep yeah I still have all my this is you know it's the because I .

got the firewire .

connection sand without the flap and and no flap I sunday I talked I had Young people on the show and and they one of them said, oh yeah I don't member that one but I did my first type I was the shuffle and I thought you are Young. You are Young, but we remember this is IT was only a possible. Tony fidel was one of the designers.

IT was only made possible because so shaper had made this gigabit, tiny matchbooks size hard drive. They almost stopped making IT because there was no customer, and apple came along by one car. Drive a pocket at a very low bit rapid enough for .

them to cay thousand and songs in your pocket. I I was one of the like handful of people at macro o at the time who had loaded, who d ripped a bunch of our cds. And we're listening to them on as mp trees, because I used to bring like a wallet of cds to work so I could listen to music while I worked.

And and then when the mp three is sort of came around, I go, this is much Better. And so when they rolled out the ipod, I was like, oh, I could literally fit my entire ripped to mp three collection onto IT with room despair, which was mind blowing. And then take IT around with me, which was also mind blowing.

It's a great rare example of a new piece of tech unlocking, right? A lot of times new piece of tech come out and companies are like, oh, will put you in a product like why? Well, we don't know, but we'll just stick in in there and see what happens.

But in this case, yeah IT inspired apple to say what we could use this to make a music player. And obviously, IT didn't take too long before people realized we can't do this with spending hard drives. But at the time you had to use a spinning hard drive, if you are going to get the storage, because the diamond rio, which was out before this, which I had you, you could basically fit like an hour of music on IT.

And that was IT because I was a flash based player, but the storage just wasn't there yet. So IT was brilliant and people don't give them enough credit, I think, in some ways, because it's faded into the into the history books. But like this is the product that that really brought apple back.

The imac g three captured on life support, but the ipod is the product that turned apple from being a weird brand of non compatible computers to being a brand that made a product that not only you liked, but that made you want to go into the ipod store, which is what a lot of people call the apple store. And then when you're there, you see their computer and you start to think, oh, I like, I like my ipod. Maybe I should give they make a computer.

I should look at that too. And I know that sounds crazy, but like that literally is how I. Got saved and didn't go bankrupt is because the ipod performed massive rehab on a we think of IT now is one of the great brands in the world. But in in the late nineties, IT was not. And the ipod is the thing that really got people to reexamine the apple brand and started the brush up that gave them enough revenue, both with that and the ipod halo effect, or which is what they call IT, when they sold a lot of max after the ipod became successful and gave them in a funding to build the iphone in the rest is history, but at all started, you know the the m actually three was the stabilizer, but the ipod had to happen for people to ever take apple seriously again.

And IT was a canonical Steve jobs product. Um I mean one of us big, big, big things that would come up every now then was but apples Mandate under in his with you being at the intersection of engineering and liberal arts. And this is exactly cutting in engineering, but IT lets you Carry around music and mutio playlist and and that sort thing.

I mean and also the the john y i've design that, that is indicative of the classic Brown radios, the that being the reason for the click wheel in the circle that's around IT even even the display. It's like it's one of my favorite Steve job stories where this was a crash program. This wasn't we spent three years developing IT and we just well released IT when it's ready.

It's like, no, here's IT. Within the space of months this thing was Green, let move for and they had to get IT done so much. So they basically bought, uh, an Operating system, A C control Operating system in order to run IT.

But even with all this crunch, they're showing him pretty much of finished like ipod. And he, just like doul's said, looked at this planes that, no, like what you mean? No, no, no.

What do you mean? Know he was LCD with a Green back light, which was every single LCD display with a back light had a Green back light, he said, this is a White display. This is a White device with like grey control dinner labels.

And it's a silver back. There is no color on this whatsoever. You're going on to send this back and you can find us a source of White back lit displays that can work for us like, okay, we got no time, but okay in the gita.

one which I still thinks Better than the ones that came after IT with the mechanical wheel.

There's just something .

about IT that you IT just shows you how powerful IT and design and interface can be that there's something intentional about that that that just had you want to use IT. You just just want to .

the around IT IT wasn't .

like click c everything before. That was like, uh, arrow down arrow, uberto down arrow. Suddenly you had this beautiful interface that just felt amazing when you use IT. And I think that that something that apple has done over, over, over again, they kind of they they draft on everybody. Everybody kind of goes down a path. And the apple kind of figures out, well, how would how do we make this interface really seamless and and actually fun to use, and they don't really add a lot of tech to what makes make IT a lot easier.

a lot more fun to do. John rubinstein, a apple, bought all the entire production to SHE was one for this thing. It's important to note that even though this is apple's first consumer break out consumer product, IT wasn't a hit right away because IT was macintosh only right.

because it's IT used firewire. And that that was a limitation for a long time because not even very many pcs had firewood there. But but modern max did.

And eventually, you know, IT evolved and they they introduced compatibility with, I think, music matched duke box on windows. But even then I was a little bit of a slow burn because IT was limited to pcs that had firewire thirty ninety four right the SONY. Um they didn't call firewall that was an apple name but that's what I was.

And then eventually they're got over to USB with the dock connector and then things changed. But that first second generation IT was just a big old firewire four hundred more on the top. And and you know, it's funny because I think there was some envy there, but I think also you're right, we think that was an instant hit and I just couldn't be because IT was just IT was more a proof of concept to be like wm mac users by this.

And the answer was yes. IT was a hit among mac users and and you started to get that movement of like, why isn't IT on windows? We need to do IT on windows.

And I think there's a legendary story about somebody maybe feel sheller coming to Steve jobs and being like, we got to put this on windows, Steve and and he was like, no, no, no, no. And finally, he was like, fine, whatever. I was a good business to say though, that I say quite essential.

Steve jobs, which is, you know, he had his his strongly held beliefs that he would then just drop if he needed to, if there was a reason to, and he was like flying, put IT on windows, whatever. And of course, the rest is history because I really did save the, say, the brand because they weren't just selling into the people who are already part of the family at that point. And and by the way, I mention this A A in in passing, but like the apple retail store is part of this.

They launch those stories, runge handsome and Steve jobs put those together. And I think two thousand, I think IT preceded the ipod. But the fact that they and they seemed like a foley, right? IT seemed almost like a joke.

But apple really felt like they, you, if you saw what they made, you'd like IT. But that became the perfect platform for the ipod. Not only did people go in and they wanted to see the ipod, but like I said, then they looked at the mac to and created that halo effect. But being in shopping mall with the ipod, I mean to say apple IT really did um but you had to have that that that first couple of the years was I was no, I was mac only and we do forget about that until they had brought in the dock connect version that would work with PC using music match.

And when the amazing things is this, I think that was when the last IT probably was the last device where apple just like in addition to like selling other their own name, they licensed that out. The doha er packet ers say, okay, you if hula packer wants to sold them, you want to put your label is still an ipod, but you can have the hill packet er edition um IT was such a crazy, crazy, crazy time i'm yeah i'm trying to I remember like when I got my review was guide for IT and the longer ipod, that's fine. What why is this box so big? IT also included a dell laptop and a collection of cds that i'm sure was security by Steve himself because they didn't want to assume that every reviewer like had a digital library or had a computer that was capable of ripping things to .

the M P three ah the at the event which was if people want to go back and look at a nostalgically, just answer your question now yes, that is me in the video of the event, people like every six months like is this you yes, I didn't have as much grey hair then. But IT was we walked out there with a little tote bag that had a prerequisite pod in IT, which is what we used. We build to play less and used IT in the birthday for my daughter, and a cube of cds that were like taped together with, like, clear tape. Oh yes.

because I had to give you the CD wouldn't be pacy.

And this is IT is they preload all those devices with music, and they didn't want to see them because this was at a point where mp three were just being decried as piacere. And so apple wanted to tell that story. And the story was you get the, you get the disks and the ipod, and this is how you do IT.

And so I still have in my closet out here some cds that I absolutely can say, see, jobs got me those right? Like classic yoo johna cash, Steve jobs. And he brought those to me. And thank you still.

And there are many things that are all the things have to be there for something to be successful. So apple put this together. The M P. Three put this together. Um nap ster had brought the music industry to its knees like all of these things that had all of those things had to happen for because the the music industry would have never dealt with apple if they weren't just on their heels trying to figure out which way is up, you know and Steve was like, it's going to be a dollar a song is a long that alex was .

like three or four years later. That's the other thing, is that the ipod had to be successful enough for them to have the leverage. But but in those early days, the only path onto the out will the only paves onto the ipod wear ripped .

cds or downgrading .

cds from mr. Importing them on there, that mix for city. And the idea that is .

you do that now, like you never you never run ads that say that makes burn today. Just touching about IT.

Well, I mean, in the world has just change so much since then. But it's you're right, the music industry didn't like the ipod and Steve jobs use that to basically say, well, how about we make a deal and we use sell music for the ipod and that is where itunes.

you remember that like, I had a reoh player too, and remember that like the music industry tried to sue to have a declared the piacere device and have a taken off, taken off the market. Just that reason. And I think that onest the other thing, cultural things, that the ipod and apple is responsible is helping to nail, struck the coffin of all of those people in the music industry who are trying to.

There was a point which I think they realized that digital music was not a stoppable thing. So they try to basically harness IT in cage so that IT would be worth IT would work for their purposes like they would still SONY had a system where they they they sent me a player, but when they're new digit player, digit Walkers, to try out and installed the software. And the first thing I did when you installed, and of course you need the software, will not be able to couldn't just like copy things onto the device off the windows.

You had to use the software to have manage a library and a copy things on. The first thing I did was go through your entire hard drive, find any music file and encysted IT with their own encysted. So now you no longer had access to your own music.

And then when you have, whenever you copy something onto this walkman, IT is now suddenly checked out of your library. You can't play IT on any other device. And like, if not for the fact that I wasn't like this wasn't my like, my main computer was, of course, a mac.

I was like, I was one. The times where I was just dumb found IT. I was talking to the engineer and I was talking to, like, the marketing person and saying, this is absolutely terrible. And I have to ask you before, before I write what i'm gonna write, tell me give give you an opportunity to defend yourself or tell you, tell me that this is no there's a way around this because that's that's an active violence almost against the user.

So IT is no longer available. You can't buy an ipod anymore, but a couple of things that the ipod did do that are still around White, your buds. Thank you Steve jobs for White ear buzz, which at the time, I breath that oh, that's an announcement that you some you've got more money than sense uh, now the ubiquitous and yes, you say the itunes store which is current is still the number one way people buy music, a worldwide uh, totally dependent.

But I also think that it's IT is a like the itunes store held apple back in the sense that and they on this show for over a decade, I was saying apple should just do streaming subscription ript. Apple held on for long and fortify took that space because apple didn't IT IT was apple to these days.

probably the number one way to listen to music is spotify, right?

yeah. Probably preceded a spotify, right? But there were too a little too early. Yerevan a lot and they're the one really do. Yeah, I think that was the first subscription service that ever I actually think that's it's funny because I have a bunch of all die pods.

Two, that the thing that makes them I think occasionally of like, oh, I can put this somewhere where I could use this and in the end it's like, yeah but he does not work with apple music, right? The fact is, were other than the ones that ran IOS, they were designed for a world where you bought music and that is not now. Our music players are all connected devices that can talk to a subscription service.

And that's I mean, I know that some people don't do that and they just buy music, but the vast majority of people out there, that's not how they interact with music anymore. And that makes the ipod kind of an interesting relic of an era where we went from all the cart, because I was the only way CD or tape or record sales to this little moment where I was like, you could buy digital music and you can still do IT. But like, again, I feel like the world has moved on, but the ipod is wedged right in that that little magic moment.

This way it's in somewhere in a drawer, somewhere in your house or in your garage or whatever. There is an ipod that you have not used in ten years, and i'm encouraging you to go amazon by the USB capable you need because you don't often have a chance to have a snapshot of all of your taste, a musical taste ten or fifteen years ago.

And when you light up that thing again, and you see like, and he's also some party mix, two thousand and three wo and like, oh, wow, you were kind of unfocused, didn't have much taste back then, did you any and and or, oh, my god, love shack. Why do I not look, play, love shack every morning. awesome.

Well, happy birthday, I guess, to the little light pod. It's kind of a funny twenty three years as a lifetime my daughter's lifetime.

Her birth is last week. So yeah, yeah but she's .

he's still think of her as Young, right?

But this is old. Yeah, we had to break IT to her that SHE SHE may not be Young anymore now shebeen her hearing into .

the twenty years.

Now just stop marketing things to use my love. Get used to IT. I don't.

Yeah, it's tough, but it'll happen. It's true. You complaining .

about the generation not that Younger than you generation alpha, what's their problem?

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little bit.

I don't know. I don't know if if I said anything about apple getting to home products before.

Yeah.

but really, would you start with a camera? I guess maybe because of privacy, mind.

yeah. I think the camera is the right one to start with. It's the one that has the least .

competition, yes. So it's so bad. It's so I ve been trying to do cameras in my house and it's the options are terrible.

So if they are doing this, IT is a really great tactical move for them because there are uh, first of most competition that any good is already expensive. So apple will be able to make expensive cameras and still play in that in that mode. And the ones that are cheap are generally bad.

I have bought a bunch of different kinds. They built this whole home kit secure video system, which was supposed to make this easy because you could use your apple subscription to get access to live video. And a very few cameras supported.

And the ones that do, i've tried several of them. They don't work very well. I can tell you, I had so many different cameras of different brands that I put on my neck.

K and I have a very solid wifi network and some of them come with their own little box to. They fall off the network. Um they are incompatible or they require a service that i've got to pay ten or twenty dollars a month for. I feel like there is a real opening for a line of cameras for somebody to do that are at a high quality level because right now, I mean, I know that ubiquity .

has yeah I use ubiquity protect, but the in china logy and ubiquity camera systems are there are local.

They don't they don't up actually exactly. So I don't know about that because I think apple will probably want to use home kit secure video, which does upload. But like that the competition is those guys and I know that they're more expensive, but like apples not afraid of playing in that area.

And apples got the the the credibility and the weight of being the platform moor for so many people. So I think it's a smart a place to enter because IT is bleak, like at the consumer level for this stuff. It's just I have tried and tried and I can't rely the ones that are the most that I can really lie on.

The most ironically are the ones that first up, they don't use homework, secure video and second, it's the r low, which isn't great. But IT is from net year. IT comes with its own basically private wifi network that IT uses.

IT has its own little base station. That one works, okay? It's not even that reliable. The uv one is a reliable. The logitech one is extremely not reliable.

Like I just this is the pain of somebody who has tried to get a few cameras up on my on my house and IT just it's bad people. It's real bad. So um bring IT on an apple, right?

Like I want apple to be more adventurous. We've said that here. I know alex is said that a lot apple needs to be more adventurous in the home tech market because there are categories where there are companies that are doing a good job. There are lots of categories where nobody is doing a very good job or its a very small number of players like with cameras that are kind of behind end and that having apple be there with a brand, a branded version of that same kind of experience might.

But you you have a large market of people who will pay extra so that IT just works. They just apple has this other world market, which is that we're not looking we're not all looking at the Price. We're looking at you. I think apple users really value their time. And how long is you going to take me to set up when I opened this up? I expect to have IT touch my phone next to IT and IT goes, okay, you're done, you know and then i'm going to put IT somewhere and it's going to start working and no it's just very hard to do that with the hatred genius um protocols and so of apple builds this out.

This is step one to this but I think this is worth again t is a cute little business for apple that five or six of these home products could still be tenens twenty billion dollars a year um of uh as they extend the brand connection that they have to their audience as long as they do them well and I think they will, I think that it's not hard. You know you don't have to be faster than the barry only I could be faster than the one next to you and know and the one next to them when IT comes to products is way back there like, you know, like the all not all these automation products are. I would say that the cameras are the worst. But as someone who is fitted LED with this on and offer and fifteen years, they are all just trash.

I don't know the actual numbers. Sure though that the ring cameras, amazon's ring, are the number one .

in the Marks. Well.

I think a lot of people don't want that. Yeah, you know you could cameras started one hundred twenty nine box and not outrageous ly expensive because you have to have a mult thousand one you big with network system to use them, so maybe in hard drives and so forth. But I love, I have a ubiquity cameras all around the house, and I know everything is going on, and I am very happy with that.

But but again, IT doesn't uploaded in. One of the reasons I didn't want you to upload, didn't want something like ring is because I don't. My band with this scarce, and I want to use every mega bite I can, mega bite I can for I really.

I mean, I don't mind the idea of having an option to have certain things put up in the cloud, but yeah, I really like the idea of being able to save something. I wonder if apple would consider doing something like that, where that would could be a reason to buy an apple TV with more storage and IT wouldn't to be able to have something like an apple TV that's a hub, also store your last x number of hours of data locally and then the highlights get put in.

Have a network video reporter which will save three months worth of a big hard drive .

and you can see .

IT over the network. I mean, I can log into and see.

but I mean, I was going to say exactly that that this was always the reason why I wish that apple never stop making wifi writers. That um number one, it's it's not a solve problem yet of making these things work really, really well.

I mean, it's easy to get a signal in your house and you connect to the internet through IT, but so difficult once you start to want to use some of these services that are most useful once you try to access your house from outside the house are like, again, back to my mac that works all away across the internet so that I could have an ipad but still be running apps off my mac mini or whatever or getting files off of any other device i've got inside my office. And if they had a wifi rider, that could also do double duty as I got a home kit base station, as a way of sending that video off to some place that is secure, some place that apple would. Charge me for storage for and would therefore be getting more money for in their services department of that would be very, very nice for them, i'm sure.

Uh, because it's uh, you sometimes you want to take a peak into your house and sometimes when there is a disaster happening, you want to have that reassurance. And if something that has happened, sometimes that bad thing that happens, we will also destroy the video record that was stored inside that house long with IT. So you want to have that thing outside, but you don't want to necessarily trust that, that's going to be kept securely.

I mean, it's it's a terrible, terrible situation. And the only way to do IT is the either A B, A master of networking and security yourself or take a poison pick. You're a trust. I i've decided to trust google because having a, having A A, A video dorot is very, very useful to me. And also i've already, so i've already, they already have to see so much my stuff anyway that again, i'd much rather have all my poison in one container, then spread IT out. And also they don't have a lot of economic incentive to, like go out of business and suddenly have to fire sale all my data, everybody else, like twenty three and me or whatever. But ah if if apple decided again to this, not only would IT be a really great solution, not only would IT be pulled out of the box block and IT works, but I would absolutely st IT and use IT to the fullness of its capabilities.

One other story I thought to be interested to cover, you might remember a guy named Dennis crawling. He created a company called dodge ball, which he sold to google, made a little bit of money, left google and created four square, which was that all the rage of south by southwest. Some years ago, four square was replaced with swarm.

And this, he's kind of out of the four square world now, all malaca an interview with him on his blog this week in which he talked about denis crowley's. Next effort, which I really like IT, is to take your airports and turn them into kind of a tour guide, augmented reality using audio i've signed up for. They aren't yet ready to put out the beta, but they've signed up for the companies called hopscotch labs.

And I tell you what, with denis involved, I have a feeling there's gonna something pretty exciting. He calls IT b bot B E E B O T. Once it's installed, every time you put on your ipods, actually could be any other headphones in its activated.

As you walk around, you will not only tell you things about landMarks, you know, be a tour guide. IT also may say, hey, you were here two days ago and you met up with your body dandy and had lunch. Or as you walk by that dinner and he's inside, you wanted join him.

Now, this was back in the day of four square. This was one of the benefits of four square, although I remember rover scoble finding me. And I said, how do you find me while I was eating watch? He said, where you checked in? I'm very excited. I think this is a really interesting use of air pods. I wonder if apple is considering something similar, but I think dance could do something very interesting with this.

And I think that I could get really interested in if you start using things like ultra wide band, which the phones have, and the apple a lot of the apple tractors have and use that started using that technology. That technologies has been out now for a couple years and it's not being used very heavily.

And I can remember beacons were supposed to do those .

were low energy blue. The problems with them is that they weren't enough. So they were plus minus really in in working plus minus a foot and half to three feet, which is is good um but low energy bluetooth was not quite enough ultrawise band I believe the sixty ten centimeters.

So it's a much smaller er ball that IT knows where that transmitter is. And that means you can really identify where you're standing. And if you think about those things, both on a GPS level and an ultra wide band level and and all the other things connected in between, you can have incredible tours where you could, for instance, you could be having using a variety AI.

Imagine being able to walk through a civil war battlefield or a castle or anchor what or something else and have to be able to just talk to you like IT as if you know if you look over to you're right this is where that used to be or this is what happened over here um for just for tours, there's lot of just stuff of like you looking for starbucks and then telling you where IT is. But there's also these tour opportunity ties that a lot of us are talking about for decades. Then just know that thinking that the technology would get there faster than IT has.

there are apps. I had one when we were in hawaii, for instance, you could put on your iphone IT uses the GPS. And as you're driving around, it's like having a no at all uncle in the back seats.

He, hey, this is absolutely the best slushy place. Whether they call in hawaii, they have those the best shape dies place in the whole island, man. And he pull over and he would literally say, okay, pull over here or take a right up at that sign up here as you're driving around.

IT was the greatest. I had one in roma used as we were walking around C. M. Room is a perfect place for this, because every round corners, everything, bit of history, I would love this idea. And if it's incorporating also your own personal history, I think this could be very interesting.

And also what A I IT can be much more the dexterity of IT can be much different because that you don't have to be record everything anymore. So we don't have you don't to figure out what you're going to say in rome everywhere IT goes, IT looks at IT and looks at contextual. What you're interested in, what you've been interested in the past.

You know, like I I, I saw a turkey fight yesterday, which I had expected outside right in front my house. Two turkeys were going at IT. I mean, the rap in their head around each other.

Yeah, there's two years. Look, is only only one. I know a lot about turkeys. We have wild turkey. Only one male gets to be with a broom like these .

ones are kicked down. The other three of them is why I spent. I had to go to fedex and on the wait down to fedex, I learned all about IT. I learned about, you know, peck, what pecking order is H I talking a jet? GPT, well, on driving, just going.

So what is this and how does this work? And what is turned out if IT IT turns out of your Young male and you threaten the older mail or fight with the older mall, too many times they just kick out. And so then there's three of women then, but they're still a pecking order within within that group and they have to fight over IT.

And usually it's not fatal, but sometimes there is. And in this whole long discussion, but I realized thinking about this is that this is the kind of thing where you start, you could be standing somewhere and it's giving you that tour that you're talking about based on your location. But you can also ask the questions like so you can be at the at something what what .

happened here?

Yeah why was important IT here? So you're just literally talking to someone as you're walking through a city or or or a tourist area, I think it's something credible opportunities.

Yeah yeah. But what watch with the interest? I signed up immediately for the test flight. He hasn't released IT. yeah. But I think this is what I always thought augment reality could be, is something in the area podds knowing where you are?

Yeah and yeah is why google has such a leg up on a lot of this stuff because they for the past ten, fifteen years, they've been developing google maps, which is not just a way to get you from here to there.

Also, what is what literally, what is everything that is close to you at this moment? And is the the one best channel for for filtering those questions? They just I think they had an announcement last week where they said they've just opened a, uh, google maps to a grounding service further air.

So if another A I wants to double check its information to say, okay, well, when does the fedex that's closed by here close? They can check IT against google maps through an API and IT all basically ground double check. Check their AI before they send somebody into a reveal with a package .

i've been watching as as adam asks of tidbits, the latest round of apple intelligence says he calls them misguided because in almost every case they show stupid people getting away with murder. Thanks to apple intelligence, the employee who's a goof off, who surprises his boss with a well written e mail. Thanks to apple intelligence.

My favorite one is the guy at the board meeting who's asked to summarize the document that he obviously didn't really, he slights to cheer out the door as sample to summarize, and slides back in and says, let me let's go over this, the one where the wife has forgotten, of course, to give a gift to her husband for his birthday. And he creates seconds, a memory's movie that SHE gives them, and everybody goes, oh, you're so good. Adam doesn't like this so much.

He says they are humiliating the humans and they were just like the the crush ipad pro ads. You agree or not? I got to think .

that I think the crush ipad ad was a different level. Know like I think that saying they're just like IT, I think makes them more worse than they are. I do think that for all a lot of us that use a lot of A I, they're not the kind of thing we use A I for very often.

So I think you kind of look at all. I guess it's kind of funny, but I don't know if you try to use this that way. I think you have a lot hard time IT never works out as well as you think that will.

His point is apples promoting apple intelligence is something that can bail you out from being a crappy employee or allow .

this is my my good friend and tom's guide. Speaking of them, writer, a fell Michael, always call these ads the, our users are jerks, our users he didn't use, the world jerks he used. Another way i'm going to say, but I didn't.

That's the problem with that right, is that it's basically saying our users, our jerks, our users are dumb. Our users unconsidered of their families celebration. And rather than I mean, apple a company, I don't want to get to worked up on this because this is a silly ad. but. where IT relates to the crush ad is that apple is about a company empowering people to be creative and the apple intelligence adds feel like oh screw that let's just dash something together with a i and walk away and you ve got away with IT and i think that they are always calibrated at least you know maybe that's who they want to reach are the their users who are jerks but IT seems like IT should feel a little more empowering in a positive way and not like you got away with murder like you said leo i think that that's the problem i have with in addition to the fact that remember a lot of these apple intelligence had started before they're shipped anything and they're still sort of promising some things that aren't quite there yet but either way i think that IT comes back to that which is is at least an unpleasant tasting in your mouth to have to be our users or in considered boobs and they got away with murder they used double intelligence like may be let's face.

IT at least IT was a long standing tradition that advertisements featured boos i've not that well know fools yeah yeah i mean the and you never identified with them IT was always there.

are a lot of ads ad campaigns that have work or run and i don't think they work where it's sort of like the main person in this ad is a a dummy and options.

are parked and after me why would.

i want to use your product if the person who uses this is a dummy who's out there going i two women inconsiderate dummy i like be.

standing tradition television and advertising.

i'm only saying why did you use my stuff in the refrigeration something like that you you do know we all know people in the office that are like that about things and you think maybe this would be good for.

them yeah yeah but it's not me i'm not a dummy but kind.

of you.

they mention a different version of that where it's like wow i'm going i'm going home with five pm i am actually having dinner with my kids because all of this crap work that idiots above me have been putting on me through the last round of layoffs of this economy that i have to do the work of eight people now i've got a tool that let me do the work of ten people but at least this will let me get home and see my kids what's and while yeah.

eighteen eighteen tours coming out ging says december fifty i think first week of december j you're playing probably with the beta yes.

yeah yeah good.

or something look forward to i'm looking for d to je mogi geno.

i is good i think image playgrounds are bad i think they're fundamentally just not very good and kind of weird and that apple is shipping them because they think they're good enough and i would argue that not only do they make just their reliance on the idea that you're going to use somebody from your photos library as a model for the image generation which means you're using your friends images without their consent which i think is growth but as alex would point out apple's image generation is also so far behind the competition that it's doubly embarrassing i think but je mogi is a great example of its being super targeted it's trained on apples at a mogi set and it's presumably memo's designs as well but it's like a very specific style and then generating emerging from that yeah it's harmless i think in fun in a way that the the image playgrounds are just like first off it's not good i've used IT with pictures of my friends and like it's not good and i've seen all the stuff that alex generates and like apple like i don't know whether ship in this because it's there behind and i need were going to be happy with that i mean not.

making a lot of stuff but i am also spending five hundred dollars a year on the journey way using way i mean h i probably do five or six thousand images a week so no so it's it's an entirely different uh world then what i expected i don't have a little graphics i think apple i'm hoping to see them in image playground look at certain things and i think they have to some degree things that work inside of my um there are things that is that Midjourney differences doesn't do consistently like i like to do a lot of i like to add fun things to my my keynote te presentations i just needed to be over a plane white background i just want that to be a checkbox and have IT not show me an image that isn't in front of a plane background white background with that doesn't going off the frame so i have a little object i can throw onto.

IT and i think alpha channel imagine if a i image generators could do alpha.

channels exactly i think the thing is that those are all things that even if i didn't have an alpha channel obviously apples remove so good but i think that there are places where apple could turn the dial to make IT a little bit more specific that would outdo mid journey if you know they don't want you don't have to go after my journey there are a bunch of things from a keynote perspective educated perspective corporate perspective home perspective that would be really fun to to for them to do and i hope that they kind of take advantage again what they can be different at so far they happened and.

but OK it's this might not be a thing that they kind of want to involve but there are so many third rails involved here amongst them if fear audiences a lot of creative people do you want to be a company that seen as hey we're going to help you not sell that stock image were going to help you would not get that contract to create this logo because we're going to give people eyes that have been trained on your imagery so they can do IT themselves i think when all everything they've shown us so far made me think that the mages are safe their cheap they don't have to be all that good they don't have to they don't doesn't get them into the trap of thinking that we are creating an image that doesn't exist we are modifying people's understanding of reality i think that are going to be very very happy to allow mid journey and others a an imagine three and all these other image generators to do the work for them they they put all the hooks that they want to into you so that people can an APP can call out to a a third party system to do that but i don't think that they want to have that label on them they don't want have that responsibility.

let us take a break and continue this discussion in moments when we get our picks of the week with andy and oo when you give me a g b h in boston.

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jason smells six colors that com you get three whole months to have to make color graphs again.

apple just be their results were their end of their fiscal year so i've got another charts coming with the annular that's a way to make more on the internet without doing anything.

no i actually wait him and that no don't know it's good because we don't know how apple is doing not of course by correct but you is one of my favorite post.

of the year honestly and nobody seems to do IT so yeah check that out i think.

it's important yeah i'm looking forward to that six colors dot com and of course alex linz i who every morning gets up fright nearly after he milks the cows he goes into the studio and does office hours and.

and you'll see a lot of changes we got to fork i said so now.

and we're finding old alex when you did the first hd podcasts with MC break.

the fuck is part of that was that the the most viewed mac break video or second most viewed mac break video was we did the the first mac break the road.

to ten a d p ah the first.

one was us going to mac world and just wandering around with emory wells and amber and yourself and eye and and then i and so we that was number one number two was the road attended p and IT was because we had recorded twenty five episodes at mac world like at a studio on earth and leo was detail in me almost everyday like do you release this like you gotta get this out and we couldn't the data was so big we couldn't get IT to work so city there so as i had to put something now and i put that out and i.

got IT was IT was very.

successful but i was no i was i so yeah yeah and four gay my.

friend and i was lot easier.

moving for so we're doing last night for extra hours because we do one in the evening now to with two we have extra hours on mondays and the run down on thursdays which is another one lazy but in extra hours two of the guys figured out have to ndi bridge to bring back fork as a delivery from their cameras and so so now you know so we're taking IT there but we're also this weekend will start doing HDR tests and we hope to be on you know hyda namic c range for the show and then my g and then the next thing is to go to sixty friends to the second and the next thing to go to the five out one audio again it's not we're doing IT not so much because you needed to have a bunch of talking heads at that level we're doing IT because we really want to do a lot of cover the next week next year of conferences and you expose and so on so for we do think that makes a difference there but we wanted get to a point where it's not a lift you like we're ing IT every day all we got to do is just add this camera and so so so were not to win a lot of second hours of specials you're just going to see for two months of just evolving very quickly um and taking chances that the color may not look very good next week because if it's even close we're going to leave IT on so that we can tunit so that's.

let you go now check the milk many sip and our discord saying and you might prod alex some more about the three d immersive version of the show that was other platforms it's.

discussed disgust.

and personally.

i don't.

know we already did an apple.

a whole one where all of us were in the apple vision pro um the capturing right now capturing the spatial live is potentially possible but we're still there's still some little hiccups in the transport so where we're working on i go.

office hours that global if you want to join the fun everybody's invited All right, time for our pick of the week. I'm going to start. I'm going to start because I know, I know i'm usually too lazy to do a pick of the week, i'll all be honest.

But I saw this and I thought all this is kind of cool. You know me, I like the terminal. I like the command line.

And I found a website, uh S S sixty four, that has a alphabetic glossy of macos bash commands. Ah it's kind of amazing how much apple, for instance, you don't need to download an APP to prevent the system from sleeping. There's a command called cathode, there's a command called cow that will display a calendar and go on and on and on.

It's a really powerful system. This is all in the terminal. But if if you're one, I think this is personally, I like just browsing through IT and and trying things.

It's a really good way to get into the hood of euro mac and see what's going on inside. So I just thought I mentioned that the website actually, I don't even know what the website I put in the show notes. It's S S sixty four a com slash mac that's IT S S sixty four d com slash mac. Jay, i'm excited about you're pick of the week. Tell us about that.

Yeah bilateral. I can't believe I didn't pick this before. So blotch o has been out on PC in steam and there's a mac version on steam too for a while now. But IT is last month. H R, actually in september IT came to apple arcade as well as, uh, you can just buy now you can use IT the Normal way in the upstart and buy a pay money. But it's also an apple arcade is bilateral plus and it's on the mac as well, an apple arcade.

IT looks like this is a port because this looks a kind of eight bit.

did a little IT. It's got a style. It's actually you've got settings you can do like CPU lines, but you can turn them off and smoothing. It's meant to be a little retro yeah a rogue like poker game.

But it's of course, more than that, there's a lot more going on because you modify the scoring of the game with jokers that you buy in the store and they completely change your strategy for playing the game. There's also a very nice zon boarding screen, which is what you're doing now or explains how the game works. So for example, over time, as you go through these different hands, you get modifiers like increasing the number of cards in your hand, or reducing the number of cards you have to play.

To get a certain thing, you can also upgrade how much money you make or how many points you make for a certain hand. So if you get a joker that makes you able to do straight with four cards instead of five, and another one that IT awards you for having a four card hand, and another one that allows you to know doubles the amount that that is there. If it's a straight, you start to build straight because it's a lot easier.

I actually had won that was you can build streets or flush or straight out of numbers that are one apart from each other. So you know ten, nine, seven, five is of is a straight, which is also kind of bananas. IT is really reliable.

IT is easy to pick up that in a moment, to learn a lifetime, to master that classic. IT is superadd ict. And if you've got apple arcade, i've got IT for mac or IOS.

A lot of fun. But just remember that the point is the upgrades, it's not the it's not a poker game. It's using power as a mechanic to deal with the jokers and other upgrade cards that you do between rounds with the money you earned. And that changes the game dynamic.

And then once you win, you win by going through twenty seven hands, basically up to level nine um but if you were or yet something like that, maybe something to level ate um you you have more chAllenges, different ways to start different modifiers IT all just kind of like keeps on unfolding. And again, it's a rogue like in the so basically one of things I like about rogue games is you don't end up with a having to grind to get resources. Instead you um you every time it's new and you start from zero and you have to build again.

And I like that in the game because I don't like grinding to manage my resources. I wanted just play and then be done. And it's fantastic on the iphone.

It's got haptics. It's got great music and sound effects that you can turn on or off as you like. I think it's a great ipad game anyway, highly recommended, super addictive, fun, bilateral. And again, if you've got arcade, you got IT on all those apple platforms, it's nice.

What is that? A joker? I think .

it's joker joke. joker. I think that's what that means.

Yeah, cool.

I don't know. I don't speak.

Tell thanks, Jason, andy and eco.

Pick a week and a day, light savings time and also winter time, which means that like my laptop bag has to have like this stuff.

I love this.

And also this me gave .

me this for Christmas a couple of years ago. It's credibly useful.

What is that really? So this is just reflective stuff. I don't get killed walking away home, but this is one of the best things I ever bought my life.

This is A A head lamp, but I really good one that made by a black dimond. This is the spot four hundred. There's also the storm four fifty.

This like forty books ks, the next one up is like sixty box. But this is no nothing like the cheap stuff you get for like five bucks at the drug store because it's I it's I P sixty seven rates. So rain is not a problem.

IT has a lot of adjustment ability in in in the right ness of the light. So like if you're having its super, super bright at at its maximum, three tripoli batteries or the rechargeable battery pack will last for uh like two hours. But if you have IT like at a more sensible thing, just that you're not stumbling around, you can easily like lower IT and then you get like one hundred and sixty hundred and seventy hours to IT.

And IT has multiple modes, so you have a side light for super intense. You have a red, Green and blue light. So if you don't want to compromise your night vision.

And so now obviously, I talked about IT. IT says well built. Also, there's a battery status indicator, three, four lights over there and you can actually lock IT.

So once in your pocket, if you hold down both of buttons, simultaneous ously, uh, the buttons will start flashing. And that means that you can put in your pocket, you you accidentally turn IT on and run down the battery. Well, like during the daylight hours.

Now I bought IT the first time I bought when these was for my bike because it's nice to have a head lab on your bike. But that only points to where you're directed when sometimes you actually want to look to see where you don't want to crash. So you need to have a head life in a good one.

But my goodness, the matter time, the of things that I use this for all the time a like if i'm so, for instance, if i'm fixing something, whether i'm underneath the sink or whether i'm just fixing fixing my camera, like on a desktop, having the super, super bright light that's aimed exactly where you're looking is killer. The having IT went when there's a power outage, I don't have to illuminate the entire place. I don't have to have lanterns.

I can just, I want to do A C, we're on going. And so i've got this going for me. The fact that IT works on triple days or a rechargeable battery pack means that even if the power outage last three or four days, it's not like kill the recharge able battery and then i'm out.

I even use that a lot like when I just need to get up in the midnight the night is like I need to go down the stairs with up how many likes we have to turn on versus just take this off the the night stand draw, put IT on and i'm absolutely good uh on and on and on and on if if you have the point is if you have this with if you have this in your collection of stuff, there are so many times where when you're not taking the bike rider, not walking in the dark, when you will realize that, oh if, oh, this is the perfect thing for the situation. I mean, right now, and once again, I I can't I can't estimate, overstate the difference between the forty fifty box. If you buy even next one six years seven box, the difference in this and the five or ten dollar, the L, D, with batteries in IT, this is so much Better and so much more useful that I actually actually bought an upgrade.

Just, I going to have two. So I have wanted in my laptop bag at all times, but also like one like near the bed, so that again, if I have to get up in the middle night because of powers out, I need to quickly go to the office and turn, shut down my server. You, I don't have to worry about humbling stumbling over things. I get highest .

recommendation. This is it's expensive, sixty dollars for a head.

But work like I said, that's the difference between something that will last. That doesn't matter if he gets wet, if you're walking walking around the dark, that has the features where again, sometimes you need super, super intense light on our job that you're doing. Sometimes you just want a little bit of illumination so that you can see where you're going.

And the fact that the batteries are always good because I always have them turn down low because I rarely that's super intense stuff. And and again the times where like against, well, wow, how silly i've got ta blue I can make the other LED the blue, red or Green but then like how about the times where like you really do like don't wanted destroy you the times from amount night like taking us doing astro photography in the middle woods. I don't want to destroy my night vision, but I do need to check to see where this nobis set that's when oh then good as this thing has a, has a red or a blue light sitting.

you should get the camel, camel version handy, so no one will will see you coming. And then that way people .

tend to see me having that's how we been exploited so much in in my life. But but it's also available. So I I only wish that like i've got, of course, I have to get everything in like dark gray or black. I wish i'd gotten like a really right bright red .

one because that's someone .

i'm going for easy to find in the dark or in the bog.

exactly. Yeah, I love IT. No, I don't can also say that it's also like.

it's also useful for like i'm taking a walk. I'm taking a picture that I really caught up with. H, I had some, oh, wait, I do. I do have a super intense fill light that I can add to try to this one spot again. IT is a floating solution to a number of problems.

And they had been worked storm for fifty, or the spot four .

hundred. I've got the spot four hundred. I had the storm four fifty, which I don't own, but i've been reading about IT.

IT has some user interface improvements. It's got some things of things like that. It's nothing that is super, super important to me. Lot more important me than twenty bucks if if it's on black friday sale and get IT for cheaper, of course, i'll get that one. yes. But I think about both of them is that like you don't have to pay for the rechargeable bad pack, you don't want to again, Normally IT just takes like three three double days. Uh, and if you want to spend two box to three box for a battery pack that charges off USB and just fits in the same space dot, I think the battery packages A T that's .

from that is your storm headlamp from black diamond headlamps? No, i'm sorry. Black time and equipment that com. I imagine there's other stuff you can get there like cargo pants and bucks.

They have they have stuff for people who are in much Better shape than I am. But this is doesn't care what shape .

you're in IT somebody in the discard saying, where do you get those audio to? Very nice, Sandy. I like the lighting. Big improvement.

Where do you get those audio tours you were talking about? There are a lot of them if you look audio tours, but the ones we are using, the funny one in hawaii with the shape vices shocker guide, because, of course, IT started in hawaii, but now all over the world, shocker guide, let us rap things up with Jason. And now we did Jason. We did any, oh, I must be alex linsey pick of the week. And yesterday.

black magic released resolve one thousand point one. And IT is a huge upgrade is a huge upgrade. Most notably um is that IT now supports the M V H bc format.

So this is apples. They are not apples, but it's an impact format that apple is using for the apple vision pro, probably the first uh first application. We there's a big final there's a big final cut conference going on starting tomorrow, tomorrow, thursday.

Um that is as so we expect in the next day or two to see some updates. The final cut. But right now, at least for the next couple days, is the only thing that really easily manages M V H V C is resolve. And so resolve has um released those tools along with many, many other tools, including things like breaking your songs out into tracks and separating voices from their ambient versus the echo versus everything else to new tools in replay and fusion. And it's it's free, it's free.

Mais version IT.

why is the version? And because, you know, this is what I think black magic gets is that you have this is a heavy APP and you have to learn how to use IT. no. And so the thing is, is that allowing people to have most of the features they do, save some of those for the three hundred dollar version, which ships, by the way, with every black magic camera. So if you buy a black magic I A bunch of black magic cameras, I have bunch of copies of result.

So so I I for of the studio version, but really, you can do any enormous amount of work in just the free version of resolve, which is why it's so it's becoming more and more popular. And you have fair like tools. There's a new fair like tools that are related.

This now supports fully supports ambas onic. A lot of fair, you know, lot of the surround is all supported as well as just a growing number of tools that are within fairlight. And this thing is moving at the amount of features that they put into IT in every dot.

One release is usually the number of new features that you see in whole release from most other applications. They just have so many engineers working on IT. And so so it's a free version.

If you're looking for something that and I spend about half my time in final cut, about half my time in in resolve, so what i'm editing. So if I need to do something really fast and I don't need a lot of control, I tend to in final cut because I ve been using in final cut this point nine. So so and I just seem mostly moved over to the new one when I started.

So I and very comfortable and final cut when I know that i'm going to have to do precision work when it's going to be I want i'm going to do so around work, when i'm going to do precision color work, when I need to have a lot of control that I moved to resolve and now I have all the tools that I would need to, to put something together. And so um so for me, it's it's a little bit of both. Um but the this update is stunningly, you I haven't got a chance to play with a very but but but generally you know it's they've been very good at releasing this in a stable way.

So i'm pretty excited. I'm to start throwing some M B H B C stuff into IT after the show um and and start to see what I can do with IT. But I am pretty excited.

A lot of us we're trying to figure out what what do we do? How do we edit, how do we export? How do we do all those other things. And I think that this is also building up towards black magic released in a camera that will probably need to work with nineteen point two or three or four where it's really giving you all the tools you need to edit um spiral neo or one hundred eighty degree stereos, which is probably coming before in A B next year.

I don't know any that means, but I know it's important and I probably .

say that means that you can develop for your favorite your favorite deviously only the apple vision pro that this will be the public pro. Yeah yeah so it's so um so it's but but I think that it's a lot of us have have known that the hard part over the last twenty years of working in mirror cle has been the tools and so seeing tools that are readily available, not super expensive, easy to use, that can let you edit these things is is going I think is going to make a big difference in this market.

So i'll see do at that. Mark germen came out with a big story just minutes ago. Apple's next device is an A I wall tablet for home control, siri and video calls that will tap into cameras, dormers and run apple's apps. This something coming up next year. This going to be very interest as .

soon as march. And what's really interesting about this calls in a world tablet in the headline, but IT sounds like it's going to be modular because one of the questions was like, what is this a tabu? Hang on the wall.

Is this more like a thing that you put in your kitchen with a speaker on IT? And he says they'll be a speaker attachment. So like you can put IT on.

You can choose modularity to make IT a big, bigger speaker in your kitchen or hang IT on a wall and use IT to control your home and have access to actually lead. The other thought I had is have access to your security cameras that apple is one were to be building, and then put those first story of the video on this. This device sounds like a modified, what grim said before modified version tvs, basically this thing that they may, ultimately we call home O S.

And and he says no APP store, which is interesting as that would be an advantage would be you could use like the apple tvo APP store, but that sounds like they didn't they didn't want that in the first generation product. Uh, but uh really interesting that we might get another talking about apple in the home, a compelling product where apples got a lot of the pieces here. They just need to put IT together and that sounds like maybe they're gonna .

that early next year. That's awesome.

They finally get the memo from alex linz. Y, yeah, thanks percent. The memo, alex.

you to over, over again every week, first couple of years.

alex is nAiling his memo to the doors of apple park and .

hear you .

airplanes .

and airplanes over.

I just want a lie switch. I just want to lights .

witch used to come. He will be the Martin luther. Apple will know. Wow, that's good. We will talk a lot more about that next week.

We do mac break weekly on tuesdays, and apple usually tries to get those press releases out after we're done. But this time, marker man scupham a tuesday eleven, a amplified to P M eastern a one thousand nine hundred UTC. You can watch as life.

We have nine streams now, the twelve hundred eighty three people watching on those nine streams course. Some of our club members watching in our club twit, discord, youtube, dcom slash tweet slash live twitch TV slash twit we're also on kick x dot com linked in facebook and tiktok. Yes, tiktok, because i'm with the kids hip .

and with IT. Enjoy last.

Yeah, who knows what's the future? tiktok? I I don't want get one.

I like tiktok. I want tiktok to survive. Uh, thank you for a being here. You can also know you don't have to watch live.

You can also watch up to the fact, which is how the fast majority people do IT. We keep copies of the show, audio or video, your choice on our website, twitter, a TV slash m bw. If you go there, you will also see a link to a youtube channel with all the video from every show. That's handy because it's a good way to share a little clip with somebody if you want to, you know, say, hey, i'm excited. Look at apples about to do that kind of thing or here's a cool tip, if you like poker and un o whatever IT is, you can share that from the youtube channel.

Easiest way though, and I think the most people listen this way to subscribe in your favorite podcast player, put IT on your ipod sink, IT up by a firewall, and then you can listen, wherever you are, the links to the rss feed and a number of links to a number of different podcast players also available. Twitter, TV, flash, m. Bw, thanks to our producer, technical director, and edit.

John h. We preciate the work you do, john, wherever you are. We don't know. He's just, he's in space somewhere.

We also think, of course, our wonderful host, Sandy and W G V H boston, alex linsey from office hour stock global and alex and Jason cells six colors start com. Thanks for being here. Now is my solum. Do he to tell you, get back to work as great time is over, 拜拜。