526: At Least Mine Has Four Legs
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From relay, this is connected episode five hundred and twenty six that I show is brought you by net sweet, smart a world and express P I am the rebounds and have the pleasure of introducing the cover. G I rica.

hello, it's me. How are you like?

I'm i'm you know i'm tired.

but i'm fine. Yeah yeah and in this very special case, ion, after four weeks away spent in the wilderness, spent apparently becoming a gamer um and doing many other things, including running cables and wires and installing things and fishing and what not. I am very happy to welcome back to the show. mr. Steven hacket.

hello, Steven IT is good to be back. I have my turn. He is returned. Here I am. When I was most needed, he returned to the city.

You yeah, you want the hero we want, but you, the hero isn't that line here.

You are the hero we got, regardless.

really a compliment anymore.

You know, that's what we got.

The hero were stuck with. Yes, I I enjoyed the show. Connected is the only podcast that I listened to consistently on my break, the others I was kind of in and out of.

And I just this morning, I really declared bankrupcy in a row cast, but I learned to hear you all. And thank you. A huge thank you to john for filling in a couple of times. I cannot say thank you.

That's not accurate. I was john and Jason N.

J.

Jason. The john 问题 yeah I don't know what .

happened in James。 I don't know where he was, but he didn't make IT didn't make IT. But no, I know me being away politics to work on everybody. So the thank you, the two of you, for helping make that possible. Uh, and i'm very happy to be back.

Yeah yeah, jokes on you. We ve got all the topics done with A I, so we we do didn't know work well.

that OK, that is not true.

That is not true, and that is not true. Yeah, we we got .

talk about the thing, right?

Let's do IT just do IT let you even one. You do IT feels like to affect you the most. Yeah, IT does.

I mean, we're recording this on wednesday, november six. You not know that because the day is not part of the introduction of the podcast for some reason but um you know the day after the election in the us. And I know that many of you, including myself, are are not happy with how things turned out and it's a sober ing and scary.

And I know a lot of people are hurting. And i'm sorry, i'm sorry that that's the case. And I know many of us spent the night domes throwing. I certainly did. I woke up at like one thirty. I was in bed and my wife had already gone to sleep, but I was like, I woke up and my phone was still in my hand, which is not a good feeling like not not good. Um so yeah well yeah, it's a sobering day.

I think the looking at last time, it's gonna be a difficult period, right? I think is probably this is way to say that like I I don't necessarily feel like people are more equipped to know what the next four years gonna bring just to know that it's gonna be a lot. And like one of the things that i've been struck by in realising if you'd call IT that on that period time is this one, it's not just the things that I happen, but just how much you're gono na hear about IT, right?

Like that was that was, I think, one of the defining things of the first trm presidency is the media reaction to a um and uh I was watching uh the life room from a pocket like all the rest is politics and and they had A A journalist from the guardian who was on the live stream and he was like as a journalist is like, well, I have a lot to write about and and and there is a kind of a thing of like, yeah that gonna like IT was good for the journalism industrial last time. And I will be again this time uh, so, you know, think about that in your lives, about how much you wanna take on IT. But but any i'm going on and how now i'm going to say, I think we will continue to do over this period time the thing that we are actually best to do, which is every single week try and entertaining, that's what we are here to do and to provide some escape from time to time. That's what we here for.

That's what do yep, it's yes, it's still okay to care about iphone rumors and adorable mag mines. And yeah that's okay. Um and we don't have to let the world way down and you know I I would say be kind to each other. There are people who are struggling and who will struggle for years to come because of this and so be kind I look out for each .

other and um get to IT yeah yeah I I just wanted to say that if you like, we are almost obbligato to keep doing what we do and you know say stupid jokes and have talk about the new apple rumors. And we're gona do that today. We're gna keep doing IT.

Obviously the thought that that we the three of us, we can do this without fearing for any other consequence is because like let's I mean, let's face IT, especially mike and I like, you know, it's not like we have other thoughts or really any I guess what i'm saying that we're lucking were privileged and we are in a position to be able to say, well, we just keep talking about taking, you know, because that's what people want. And obviously, we can do this. And, uh, we find comfort in the idea that we have listeners and readers who can find some scopes in what we do. But at the same time, I think, and I speak for the three of us, we are fully aware of the fact that this is a privilege spot that were in and that and that if other people, if if this if certain listeners or readers, they cannot possibly have the energy or the time to listen to us anymore and to, you know, to to just be silly for twenty minutes, that we understand that.

But I would say similarly, I I, I, I agree what you're saying, but I encourage people to try and find these things in their lives.

I think so too. I think so too.

And and I .

think that be first he doesn't right. I I think I don't really have any advice because like ah I was not like you feel asked me, you know not ten years ago, fifteen years ago. I won't imagine this timing honestly um but this is this is what's happening.

And so what can we do right? We can keep providing the show. We can keep I can keep writing max series. Stephen can keep you know finding weird apple support documents. That's what we do. We're gona support you know we're gona I think can more than never support each other because even though so you know you may not be happy with what has happened, I am not personally lots of other like us or not um but that doesn't change the fact that you have you can have your community, you can have your friends, you can have your family. You can have your you know you can find your small corners of brightest if you go looking for for them you know .

yeah and if you are happy with this news, which of course lots of people will be, I think a lot of the same thing apply of just like just be nice to people though. Yeah I mean, you yes, I do. I think people can understand that. Like the thing is.

none of us and most likely none of our listeners were not in charge of anything politically speaking. You know, we're all just passer bys in in this in this I don't know how to describe in this stage play that 等一下。

i guess a math question me and you this I want to mean like where like IT, just like acy, I could do anything.

No, but no. But even our listeners, you know even our listeners, if if there's people who sits on the completely opposite side of the political spectrum, there's nothing that we can do about IT. And this is how democracy works. Sometimes you like IT, sometimes you don't. And as long as IT stays a democracy.

let me ask. Shouldn't be. We're going to alone on this.

Now let us move on and love each other. shop? Yes, yeah, I love each other. Get all .

of the shop up up. Several people vote in about tim cooks multiple mac situation, and I sort of merged several pieces of feedback into this. But the the this of IT is that multiple max is completely Normal for a lot of people who work at apple youtube ly have one mac reading like using like nightly builds of meos or whatever product you work on.

And then you've got the one where you do your actual work because your bad machines is always broken. One person vote to say the laptop you Carry around to meetings is probably not the laptop you want to be crashing and coronal pinking every five minutes unless that meeting needs you to demonstrate the crash, which is kind of funny to me. So I don't I don't know what tim cooks nightless ast software situation is.

Michael, you interview him about his workflows. Please ask about, you know, the state of the beta on the cooks devices. But I thought was an interesting insight and one that even though I do this and like know you've done that in the past, like a lot of us who cover the stuff will have, you know like i've got an in one a map care that in the summer runs, the beta is right and it's it's okay. That machine exploded because i'm not doing my work on IT. Aren't that's quite common at at apple?

I will say though, yeah, I could remember IT wasn't just two laptops. He was using three. Yeah, I was using three max. So you know I just that was like you, he just gives also all of them. He just uses so many.

To be fair, he was like a full on apple store worth of set up. Yeah sure.

You know. So I you know miss the conversation about that interview. But the thing that that jumped out at me the most was like, he has a favorite soft drink and they don't have an apple park. Is you mountain do right?

Was IT down mountain do?

Is he just opened by the? Is he just stopped by seven eleven every morning and pick in one up? Also, my tim cooks in good shapes.

I guess he can, like, have a soda. I am not judging. But IT is also strike to me, oh, that he has a favorite soda. I felt he would be a water only kind of guy.

And everyone's got advice.

And this is tim cooks, like, this is him, like, this is his vice, right? You don't smoke, you don't drink diamond every afternoon.

So I did I did get worse from someone did look up on the grand research. There are no pepi products.

Apple park.

who made the deal right? You know, like tim, you can make this deal right like you just call pepi. Maybe it's like a maybe that's like a gillion millions thing. A millie came from pepsi. Maybe like of fascinating.

fascinating. You know, if we get good news here in myths, a basketball season is upon us, which is excEllent. I went to the first university of his home game on monday night. And our best can, can I?

Can I try and guess the name of the team because I I think I know IT. yeah. Is IT the great less?

That's the N. B. A team. That's a professional team. The college team is the tigers are very good.

very good. Why are two different animals? Two different teams?

There are two different things.

Well, but they should have been like, I don't know.

of the cubs and the Graceless. Yes, they should have been like that.

They're the greasley because they came from vancouver and we don't have greasy bears. Tennessee, at least in my part, tennessee. I don't know about other places, but the best arena has switched from peepsy products to coke products, which is excEllent news and makes up for the fact of the football stadium with the other way they were coke, another pepi sug that is awful. So i'm saying.

well.

I think write me about that feedback form you know.

I think pepi has the Better and silly product though to the the cola because .

they got mountain due. And the others that I have, doctor pepper. Doctor pepper is independent.

Is, is, is that oh.

interesting? K.

I always saw that like caper. I always felt that people who are like, go, no, I prefer that is like performance. S heart, like you say that because it's like I, because I don't truly .

believe IT. I just want .

the attention, doctor. Pepper is its own brand, and they also own gateway in tokens. Most of dad is the the best soft drink, my favorite.

But yeah, stop there. But really pepi just has all am thinking if they just have mdo, which I like that, that is all I care about. So i'm actually gonna say, no cook is best.

Yeah okay. So anyways, coronal panic, that's that's what people want. max. Rick rode in about the continuing availability of the mac pro. I know something that both of you are really concerned about and um talk about even though you can't put G P use inside of them. Uh you can host multiple cards holding S S S.

And that's one thing I did when I had my until mac pro, I had a couple of cards in there with no additional stories at my time. Machine in my nightly bit will back up, which is prety cool. And then rick also that an audio, in particular audio processing cards ah can be common.

A grote, I know of a composer that previously uses a twenty sixteen mac pro d network with multiple pcs for his work, but now uses, they recounted in to ultra macpro instead. I love the recommended macpro at school. school.

We will get in real time follow up last week to discount about this stuff. And I still stand by what I said. There's nothing to put in these max anymore.

There isn't you. There are Better options now than buying a mac pro for anything that you would vote a mac robot for before. That's that's my feeling.

Good, good news. Um I guess now a new mac pro is going to be made in the U. S. again. So wow.

thanks.

Look, i'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry, like twenty minutes in, you know.

so sorry, I am so sorry, but how I cope? Okay, this is no.

Look, what are we do? I said to, I said to you in face, even because there's no way we're onna let him get through the episode and you have prevented because I appreciate .

that I early voted the first day this isn't on me. I tried.

but no was that I was on you.

But like going on, we record IT you do .

IT you all do IT we just found this three that's .

a different podcast. Um so mike, you have been historically your flip fop er when IT comes to apple hardware is out of the what .

do you doing with .

your apple watch because you've you ve been on a journey here.

I have neither a flip nor flat. I was thinking about getting the series ten and that I suggested that I don't and I didn't and I may say that I was right. I'm not again, i'm sticking with my apple watch.

yeo. I don't want to .

give up on battery. And for me, like my thinking was, oh, you know at some point apples going to come out with like a you know like this big new watch design and it's and it's not gonna be on the ultra line. It's gonna be like the series line.

And at that point, I love to give up like the battery again. So I want the bandit off deal of IT. But i've decided, no, I like my apple shoulder.

I like that. I don't to think about the about your life. I just gonna stick with IT for now and not going to change to the apple watch series ten. Um and so i'm taken with IT, so i'm taking a theory of approach on this one.

Yes, yes. yeah. I think you would be a .

happy go alter. I mean, I am still I have my launch day a ultra one and it's still rock and roll.

But I would like to make an appeal to offer to do a Better job with the baLance in the next season because I don't think they did a good job with the baLance this season. They usually like one season in a year where like I I find the band colors do not be that good. So I hope you know maybe the next one, they they can nail IT for me yeah .

and the ultra doesn't get the band updates every time the regular watched us, which is kind of a let down like they should do. They should do them all and not all of them. We're gonna popular, right? I would, I would love to know how how those things do, but they should turn those over at the same time for all the watches.

almost going to say, apple, look, I know you're struggling over there, but like just just go back to either for the watch, the traps, 嗯， just go back to ever, just get to a fine moving. Just go back to the like, come on, you know, find more than is not right, just make watch straps, leather, charge more money for them I don't know, but let let's go back to the for the watch traps.

K what about a leather vision prostration?

That would be gross, that would be hot and .

gross would. Um so belkin, the company that apple gets to make products apples, a shame to make, is now making a top heads strap for the apple vision pro. So in the bed this basically looks like what they showed off at the lodge, right? I mean, like in federal you're had demos W B C last year. Is this yeah pretty much what they had?

This is, uh, no, no.

can no, no, no.

Okay, I mean it's close.

is very, very close, like the the strap itself is close, but the way that attaches, right? So like I attaches with that like plastic thing that looks around kind of like those three d printing ant things where the ones that we tried IT was attached to the inside in the same way that the solar topic. So like IT was that kind of like double thickness magnetic thing that that put into the side, like IT IT was attached, sorry to the solo nit, the same way that the jewel loop band is. You know what I mean.

So, okay.

that's what I meant to say. So IT was like the IT was the actual thing that I want, which is the amalgamation above things. So, but yeah, this looks interesting.

I have the speaker one. I'm happy with the speaker one. Yeah uh, if the bullion one proves to be Better than great, I do like the look of the balk in one because IT looks like IT has easier .

adjustability. Yeah, IT looks pretty.

I think that looks nice and so will say what this one looks like, the distance that the strap itself looks like, the strap that we use for ica right like to al strap the attachment. I'm not sure about where that came from um but yeah so if people like this I made by yet another a vision pro happened because the speaking of one I like but I I think I would like IT to be a little bit I sometimes and I think i'm at the tight so um this this might be a Better option yes, IT looks very .

comfortable I continue to be so fascinated by belkis roll as effect vely apples fixer like they just going and solve the problems um it's what what a fascinating relationship they have um maybe they can .

snake and didier amount doing there you .

know I mean yeah I don't get IT. This is like what's the only thing the belt doesn't make? That's a large tech, large tech deal like they they don't make ipad keyboards. I'm surprised that balkin doesn't make .

those because that that apple do a good job.

Yes.

right? Belkin, clean up the things that apple don't do a job with, right? Where apple's keyboards are like, they work great. yeah.

I I wonder like what that arrangement is because I can't some of the stuff that we can do for apple like this, I can't imagine so very well. yeah. no. So like, I mean, I would love to know what that arrangement looks like, like a apple a apple paying balkin to.

I make think I think they're like on a retainer to design these accessory that apple just want doesn't want to make and put an apple logan on them.

IT is the discount points out. I was googling IT balking got bought by fox kn in twenty eighteen. So you know yeah apple has I mean, apple was doing bulk in self before then but just know I I just forgotten it's kind of belkin links us and moo moo a different thing.

Yes, most self .

driving cars .

driving us. What's we? Mo.

that's the remember the o yes, that's the first .

goole thing. Why has we have discontinued okay um last thing and follow up. Uh your spoke about the about five coming on the new in four pro and in for max computers, which is very exciting. O W C as they want to do has announced A S S D that will support done about five. The a envoy ultra two ten playstation too IT kind .

of does doesn't i'm .

looking at the picture like of the ribs around IT.

I think .

one of the so there's two models, four hundred dollars for two terabytes, six hundred doors for four terabytes, up to six thousand mega bits a second and uh backwards compatible to thunderous three if you've got A A .

lesser mac at a certain point, is IT too fast the .

bit about the end?

No, it's never too fast.

That is six thousand of its per second.

It's never too fast. File sizes go up. Display resolutions go up. It'll never be too fast. Ten years from now, you'll be wishing for thousand six.

I was a question for five.

You you are you see dick down your heart knows you were ah yeah it's like fiber you know deep down you want in IT.

right the cable is built to the drive chasta. They say that's a benefit because they can make a waterproof and doing a swimming with your very expensive S S D. Uh, if you want to.

Sure, i'm now serving the O W C website even if you ever come across the O W C. Thunder bay flex eight .

thunder bay was thunder bay.

Thunder bay IT looks like a mini mac pro. It's like a little mac pro that you .

put loads .

the story OK don't give him more idea.

Now, back in the day, this was called the guardian maximum IT basically look the same. what? And I, I, I had won IT had two, three and half inch drives, and that I had IT raided. That's how I kept my, like, itunes back in the day. Guardian, maximise, what a great name for a product.

I mean, thn debates also good. So whoever coming up the vote of uc names, good. Thus they have like a whole range service.

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So Stephen, you're back and everybody he's been dying to know what have you been doing?

Yeah that's like to do rebounds me of like a early ipad note and time cook was like everyone's win wondering what will do for the next ipad like no one's wondering them .

going to quick question up front. Have you tried IOS? ka? Just wondering .

that's a game. Obviously i'm a gamer.

Yes.

sure. Yes, a game. I feel to stop .

talking fort see when I love .

you so much. You know the great thing that you can't google that like there is no way .

in which he will be able to google that. No, i'm just walking away from IT. I kept them.

What are still lots of people who go away for a long time and come inspired?

They .

perform that activity. So okay.

yeah.

Obviously you haven't.

So right is good. Send me a gift. I anticipated this question, and I made a checklist of things that I did on my brick.

Okay.

installed a new stereo in the truck.

built a new I like a long time ago. I remember you're doing that. Yes.

long time ago, month ago, a built or assembled a new I A bed for one of my children. IT has like pull out doors under the bed is awesome. Get all the stuff in the way, very good.

Um we had to have a no. This was before, I think was before yeah had my daughter's iphone repaired um or maybe I set that up and then did on the break. africa.

But SHE SHE broke her phone. We went to the zoo as a family with some friends of irish town. Town detailed my wife vain inside and out like a whole day.

Did you find the thing that was rolling around?

And so here's a thing. So I don't know. I okay, I took the front seats out of the van, like under the battery, under all the little connectors under the seat, unbolted them.

See, we're sitting in my front yard and I pull a bunch of carpet up and I couldn't find a marble, but I did find this like piece of hard plastic that was just kind of in there, and not even I don't know where what IT was from, and I removed that go away. And my wife has said he is not heard the sounds since, but the sound was in a minute to begin with. So I think maybe, but I really IT sounded like a marble, and I didn't find a marble.

so I don't know. I mean, really the fact that you did all of that and introduce a new sound is really the .

win IT really is the fact that you .

took the seats out and didn't introduce a new rattling or anything into event.

Yeah like why why does why does everything sounds cheeky? I will put and put in a picture of the van taken apart and the discord for our members detail. The van, early voted, spoke to a journalism class at the university of this to .

think of your degree yet.

not yet. I need to have a degree. I would like .

an honorary doctor.

Yeah, a doctor. Or I would take distinguish ourn's ism alem N I war d, which is also also have not been given that.

Didn't rickard said you would win? I don't know. Is that true? I think he said he got that. Didn't we were talking IT about IT?

He may have an unfortunate accident. Uh ordered and received a SONY mavick which is a digital camera from the nineties and eighty thousands she's on hobby desk so .

you posted some images of this yeah on your on your instagram. I think I urge you to do IT because I said that if you just said, look how much Better this is in the iphone ua computer program. What are they call the competition view of programing photos? They call them basis. There's this been this meme that I come sure you've seen IT on threads where it's like, oh, i'm using my iphone 3 g and just look at the warmth of .

these images。 So I was I like I actually agree with most of them.

I'm not saying i'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying it's a thing people .

are doing and aging. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I urged even to post. This is a some of these images look really good and some of them don't. And the best one is the last one. It's all over. Second one.

quality wise. And the sound that makes so IT takes the picture instantly, but IT takes like nine seconds to over to the poppy desk. And the sounds this thing makes, unbelievable. Uh, I got four books read. I cut down a small tree in my yard with an egg.

and.

A reported to federal jury duty, but was not selected for a jury.

Oh, no.

no, no. It's good. Because if you would have been selected to a jury, do we know me? Be never would see him again.

Was IT? Was IT a murder case?

No, but that was a crime, unfortunately.

OK that was built a shelter .

for firewood to keep firewood dry. Okay, when fishing with my dad got a cold at night, team booster consigned up for A T and t fiber.

Learn more about that because you got the boost, do you think?

Yeah ah maybe that's what .

I was an .

increased speed i'll give a bit inside and out you know as go a volunteering and my brother's non profit pressure watched the porch and driveway sure uh detailed the truck and then i'm going to read their names but I had several. So I told lot of people in my life, like I let's catch up in october is emptier, so busy and everyone cashed that in. And so I had multiple breakfast and lunches with people, which was really great.

Uh, this reads like a bucket list of things I want to do before I turn .

forty yeah well, some of us that's pretty close yeah and and I also had lots of days were like that you know was a cos potato .

like IT wasn't busy every ought brought you know.

the last week I definitely was like ready to get back to work like I can't felt like I I had I had other to do things on my lesson on the house. I just decided like it's important to have some days where I don't do anything.

So yeah um I mean that last week was very tempted no like yeah apple was really trying to pull you back in.

right and and that was really strange. Like in terms of things I didn't do no podcasting, no writing. I only listen to connected. I heard some of other podcast but not all of them and I only kind lightly cut up with the news now and told that last week when there was a new mac every day and then I was like in a reading stuff and taxing with some people and um but he was really weird not to be writing, not to be blogger about those and then not to be preparing for connected and NPU talking about those new max um but so yeah that was really was like the only work I did was enough that we could pay people really like just kind of the bar minimum of book keeping and now catching up on about this stuff administrated.

Well, there was that one day when your website broke .

and and both websites broke, really a broke one day, and then five box broke. So had to do that .

was pretty early on that really, really broke. I tried so hard to fix IT. I was bouncing dinos, frighten center and could not, could not bring back to life. Yeah, he was outside of my capability.

One thing not on the list is that I bought a new ipad mini, huh? And it's great. OK.

Why in the list?

I don't know. I just realized I wasn't .

um i'm about you. Do women .

write down for history?

Hang on. Funning a pen yeah please. Because the if this doesn't act IT now I don't .

think I can trust the list all the many pinta sees a seventeen pro so I I use the ipad twenty six for a long time and then one of the kids ipads needed replacing and so the mini became a kid ipad and I bought a refurbished pad pro. I don't even know what generation like, just whatever they're all the same do a degree um but back on the mini and I got to say the size is really good.

I really like the size for is a little tablet for reading and watching youtube. I don't work on the ipad. I've just decided .

like is this your only ipad?

IT is ipad. There was a while where I was trying to use the ipad for like some non work meetings and some other stuff that I do.

But I just got frustrating like or any like three P D S open in this meeting to like check on things in, like bouncing around is like ipad of us doesn't work the way I wanted to and so um so the money is like IT is I said IT up is like I made IT is A T V in reading like access articles you know that's what the thing and it's it's great. Very happy with them. So good to bad.

I feel arrested. I feel excited to be barry and, uh, you know, said this before and I will say that again, like, thank you all for helping make IT possible. I know both of you had more work to do because I was gone .

and that means a lot to plan. IT was so IT was IT was easy to do to allow you to do that in the one I mean, like they want to work that IT was was nothing compared to be now able to give you that time.

So I appreciate that. And you know we been doing this so long time and yeah relays and and the shows like you know we know we're doing and and we can we can do this sort of thing. And you know Michael ever talked about IT yet, but I think you should do one at some point in the future.

You um and I would like us to like talk about you like this is something that we each get to do every you know number of years because I think it's really useful. And what I found, you know and kind of reflecting on the last couple days being back at work is the the the part of me that feels the most arrested is like the creative part. The add stuff is fine and may be it's because I was still doing some of IT, but the admin work isn't what's hard, right?

What's hard is like talking about what we're going to doing, the shows in the riding and you know, working on ideas and stuff for the apps like that creative work is what is draining. And that part of me is like the most excited to be back and and fill energized. And so IT was great.

And I think, you know what we do is creative and and sipping away from that sometimes professionally is is good. And it's obviously a huge privilege that you know we get to do this for a living and take a break from IT for a living. So uh sums up all around.

I would like to give a special thanks to uh, editor of this podcast. You mess and off because if we didn't have gym this month would have sucked for me.

Yeah you right?

Because the fact that I still all I had to do was just post the show and jam was done with IT made this very simple whether I would have been addicting the show every week, that won't been much harder. So thank you to jim now for for make being an important part.

This I mean, this show, he had its mac power users as well like I don't know what would happened with that because David is not editor. And so yeah, jim is just so important to us and the team really like everyone is Kathy Carry picked up a lot of stuff to um was great, I will say just to wrap up this you know missing a bunch of the mac news, i'm pretty cacked about the new mac mini. I don't have a place for one of my life. I wish I did like that.

You don't I I .

could find one. I mean, I haven't in one mac mini.

I so small doesn't everyone have a place?

It's if I bought one, I D want to put google eyes on the front of IT because it's just it's just adorable um and I I think you've said it's gonna your next computer so I hope I hope you whenever you order one, I think you're to like very excited when they are for sale. Next week, I will go out to the apple store. I won't put my hands on one in.

And just just experiences ago. They get fun when apple revisit something after such a long time like that ipad design is from twenty ten or that sorry, the ipad gosh, the mac many designs from twenty ten long time coming. I don't think we did a great job with them.

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don't know um because .

you're grinch because i'm cranky and so I turned stickers on and they were there immediately and like i'm not i'm not the first person to say this but the gin mode designs like the way IT works and looks so much Better than image playgrounds. Just nine day yeah .

it's a good is actually a good system although you can make some like horrors right um but usually what I ve found is I could just take a little tweaking like what you're you're asking IT for um but I think IT is IT is Better then you must play around to my opinion but yeah I I found more fun in in in geog yeah .

the a the all that stuff that meant IT like if you're like playing with that IT your phone gets warm IT hit your battery like these things are working hard and yeah that indicates me that this stuff is all happening on device or released. A lot of IT is i'm not sure how much, if anything yet is going to the secure cloud thing. Apple is built private club vate class compute.

I don't think the imagery is at all. I don't remembering, right? I, I, I, I don't think that is. Let's see.

let me find my phone in airplane mode and see what that does.

I mean, you can you know it's happening on device because your phone is like gets uncomfortably hot.

especially in the case this oh, this is getting not good image playground, let's say i'm gonna a make picture airplane with spaghetti .

as nice must be a plan yeah.

it's doing IT so this must be, oh, man, yeah, i'm going to I mean.

I do think like i'm going to get to some feedback in a minute, uh, but I think one one of the reasons that these images is all the way that they are and look from my equality perspective is because they are happening on on device. I think that maybe why one of the reasons I think there are many reasons, but one of the reasons there may be not that high quality is because they are um they're doing the motivation. I think that's one .

of the things that time you know yeah they really mean it's no different than di or in the others except that apple fills behind those other models, but they do all the same where things like if there's tex and IT tries really hard not to put text and things but the text looks bad.

not words. It's not even let us it's just just like not yeah .

and yeah IT definitely has terms that IT won't use. Verdict you talk about this how you are able to to and I saw these images made some things that its should net um .

but I think some of those words got got removed for the rhino.

That's good to hear.

That is good to hear. Uah, all in all, like not really impressed with them in place grounds. It's fun to use for the memes or whatever. But you know this is not something that's going to like change the way that I work in any capacity.

Well, I asked for the passionate ones to write in, right? I made a play and I was like, if you disagree me and you have a use for this software, I wanted know what IT is where some people write in. Would you like to hear that to say, please? Gero inman said, i've used dally to create images for my role ying sessions.

Being able to use people's faces would be called for person. Personal versions of that make sense, right? Like you're playing like A A N O P G game with a bunch friends and you want to create an alf character and you want IT to be mazing out.

Like, sure, I can see IT. right? I can see IT. A other ideas, says jim theeing, birthday invitations, where the child looks like a night or an question. Party invitations with the host suggest in their costumes, even before they get them ready.

Family canada with fund images of days okay, the family kind of the one I really struck le with, like just use images if your family I feel i'm not saying anyone's wrong, but like people or just know this is what people suggest my I should take on that as I I wouldn't but I understand that you might want to uh, jane says i'm a coach for a junior high cross country team. If image playgrounds could create accurate fundaments of the athletes, I could see myself using IT for social media posts. I also make posters on occasion to share on athletes, and can see fun or cartoon images being useful for that as well.

We will come back to this. I think if I read them more, and I think I have like an overall thought on some stuff, but tom says I am using image packer grounds and I like IT. It's not going to change my life, but I enjoy being able to create votes in my family situations. I haven't used other A I image generated for this type pe of thing an anonymous to says, I use photoshop a lot to make birthday cost my family and can't wait to use the image playground to create versions of my three and six year old and my partner. In some funny scenario, john says, I will one hundred percent use IT for a mike put some grief fin my friends, which is the only you so found so far. It's just grief y, with my friends that's that's my own commentary and doing says this integrated tool is perfect for generating and fun images to feature on digital news that that aimed at Young tees, including graphics that may showcase character res of our mentors we appreciate any design features that in arts engagement with jan alpha um I goes on to talk about image one a little bit um just like similarly I have used image random is really surprised about how that feature actually works a fever of you actually have used .

image one no .

never this is why you draw something and try, you know make a circle around IT then he asks you to describe what you're looking force so like I don't really know what the point of the sketch is like.

I guess so I can draw, mike.

you can draw and I can can I think what is what is doing is it's like you're giving IT another data point, right? So like if you want a house, maybe you want the house to specifically look like this, but I just like, you know, and like, how do you do IT you draw .

something and draw something?

And then in the apple pencil tools, there's like something that looks like a magic one. In the tools is like a kind of apple intelligencer colored wine thing in the the the pencil kittle you draw around， you like draw circle around the thing that you have drawn.

And then I will pop up the image playgrounds you are to be like, give me some more information about this and you typed and what you're looking for and then IT should take what you've drawn and turn into something else for all these things, which are very happy that people were written in because it's like I kind of feel like I understand little more to type of things that people might want use this stuff for. I think maybe one of the places where these things are hard for me to get my head around is like, so in the U. K.

We have a company that makes greek cards called moonpig. And the whole thing is like, there an APP and you can order cards and they print the cards and people, right? And most moon pic cards, I think, have the ability to add the photo of the person you're sending IT to in IT in some way.

So you you upload a photo and IT can be like a little personally saying, or maybe it's a funny thing like you put their head on. I don't know john y in his body or something, but I never ever once have put a photo on one of these cards. I specifically choose the cause about phos on. I would I would never want to do that, like to take a picture, somebody put on a card and send IT to them, like for I don't understand that.

And so like maybe that's why I have such an aversion to this is like for whatever reason, just for me, I would never imagine taking a photo or a lighter is somebody and like sending IT to them honestly, like for whatever reason that doesn't click with me and so like, i'm reading this and I like, okay, I still have an issue with the consent of these images like people are having images created of them. Do they, you know, do they want you to do that? I don't know.

But I can see that people would want to use IT. I just see that this isn't for me. But again, as I before, think my biggest issue that is I just don't think you might good enough still. Do you have any thoughts on this?

I mean, I get those use cases, and I think in those use cases, someone was not gonna help somebody to, like, make those images. And so I can I can understand that. But I really like there is not the image is aren't good and they're definitely not something that I would want to to put out again a serious context.

Or like apples demos, like oh, like you have this this presentation and like you make a picture of gazebo and stick. And like, go look at the airplane picture. I put IT in the shown notes.

Like, just go look at IT. Like this is not something I would want to have in any sort of context beyond pranking somebody, you know, joking with somebody and thought, don't know, I don't think it's that useful for me. And if you've got places in your life where that makes sense, like, hey, I guess that's fine, but the quality is just not that it's not .

great just based on in the this cord uh, the result of my artistic creation, as you can see, I drew a sketch of very incredible sketch of what I described as a really long dog. And IT was later turned into a long dog.

Count how many legs that dog, count how many legs that .

dog cast my room. And the overall quality of the image is good. Is that like the wrong? And I never really used there. There was a significant there is a significant issue. There isn't .

yeah it's the highest made on tra. Like what ah do you .

prefer my original sketcher? The final illustration.

I have a sketch filtering that you made of me sitting at a macintosh that I treasure. And so .

sketches party. I've got ta say, federal in this situation, I think i'm like the first final one, even even with the five legs. Sorry, I I.

I don't really think that the origins actually .

give me A G .

look at that dog. Look at the tail. Man, come on.

How can you not like IT? How can you not like IT? I don't know. A, I, I can use my long dog, you know, really long dog. So long dog at this mind has four legs.

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So IT seems like according to uh mark mana bloomberg, that apple has officially started boring the idea of making smart glasses with this internal project named athletes um IT seems like and this is interesting because I remember conflicting reports from german. Uh I was under the impression that apple already had an teen dedicated to expLoring the idea of making smart glasses like not augmented reality glasses but something more akin to the meta riband glasses, which are regular glasses that have a camera, maybe speakers built into them um but now that seems like the project has gotten off the ground with his internal focus group where apple is basically gathering feedback from employees about the idea of making a entering this new category and making the smart glasses as a companion to the iphone as a potential competitor to the meta ray ban glasses. Obviously, I have many thoughts on this topic. I just wanna say a prt that I find that kind of strange and maybe this is our apple Operates um this idea of like doing focus groups with employees um so like I don't understand what step of the process this is like mean .

the way that more government describes this is is like the beginning .

like so like so like this product has not been decided.

no. So what you're remembering is a report from ages ago. Well, this was a thing that apple considered and moved away from like nothing was done with IT like that in the many considerations for what their A R product would look like.

Something that was basically the matter rebaLance was something that they considered doing and decided not to bother with. So this is like very first steps of the process. This is like, hey, do we want to do this? Let's talk to our employees and see what they think like. That is basically as far as they seem to be, if this report is to be believed.

interesting. I didn't know they were going to their employees to just like, I don't know, was original iphone decided with apple employees? Like did they do a focus group to say you do an iphone guys?

But this focus group though could be of like twelve people who are ruling like of course that like right what you you know is .

like the way so this this is not a pole on slack being like vote yes or no. Do you want to make glasses?

My expectation is like this has been described in the way that has been described, right? But I would assume that this takes different shapes depending on what they're doing. This is essentially a meeting, but even could be this right? You get like that twelve people from the harbor engineering group in a room and the like art gang. What do you think about this?

right? That's why I found the reporting service of strange because you really painted a picture of apple, uh, writing a memo and circulating a memo internally being like, do do you think we should make glasses? Like can you place south here? Uh, and what you're saying makes more sense. Like maybe he was like a really small focus.

but IT could be anywhere between those things. But I think like depending on the product, probably depends on how big those conversations are. You know this then with one hundred people are garden.

I have a lot of thoughts and especially because i've been using for the past three, four months at this point, I mean, were in november, yeah almost five months. Uh, no, I was using them in my gosh, six months at this point.

I ve been using for a half a year that the meta riband glasses as my um everyday glasses and this continue to be for me truly uh resounding success ah for my personal usage as well as for um but sort of my in real life social you know situation with people around me. Um everybody literally everybody have spoken to about this. Everybody knows them.

Um they i've heard of them. They've ve seen them in a store. They've seen them on social media. They've heard about them. They are familiar with what they are. And the fun thing is, although everybody knows the product, nobody and I mean, you must have happened with ten different people so far. So it's it's a small group of people, nobody I noticed them up front when they the conversation has always gone with, oh, teaching you're like you're super intertech.

Have you heard of the the, the bray bands with the cameras? And I like, i'm wearing them now and they go, like, are those the thing? Like, no, everybody knows them, but nobody has noticed them up front.

Unless the benefit of the of IT being right bound, right? Well, like, if matter would have designed their own glasses, this wouldn't be the case. People know what they would look like, like snaps, chat, spectacles, les, right, like this. This was the the genius. And actually using the way for a design i've been .

really like in them. And one of my one of my goals for later this year been working on this ipad story. And after the ipad story that that I finish writing today, finally, I want to move on to this meta ribands story. But we mentioned this before. I been using them as gasses, but also as like a really quick camera for short meters or quick photos as well as my speakers when i'm doing church around the house, when i'm walking the dogs, listening ing to podcast like it's been my go to accessory for life and it's ready. I see.

The thing is that I don't even think about uh this as an as an accessory is just dema glasses um obviously an apple version of this that I would to say that I would welcome an apple version of this would be an under statement um but I imagine what an apple version of these gasses could do like in terms of Better gestures, for example. Um this is something that I struggle sometimes with their right bands that sometimes they don't recognize the gesture for pausing um you know um toggling play and pause for example and I need to tap on the side ARM of the glasses like multiple times and occasional y happens. Um apple I think as uh you know, over the past decades they have really nailed just a recognition across multiple devices and foreign tors.

I would imagine that an apple version of this glasses would have uh, always on uh, low power sink like background sink with my iphone, instead of having to rely on a separate APP just like, just like my watch, my apple watch e's always in sink with the iphone just happens in the background. I don't have to worry about thinking my phone to the watching by bursa IT just happens um with the matter ray bds there you need to install the made of you APP and he does some background sink at night when you're charging the glasses but he may fail and doing today if you want to import a photo, is a manual process. I would imagine that an apple version may just, you know, you take a photo of your glasses, you find you immediately in the photos APP.

And speaking of cameras, obviously, you know, I would imagine an apple version would have a much Better camera, much Better picture quality and integration with apple intelligence, because you gotta think about apple intelligence. Ts, when thinking about this, this new category, there would be a natural fit for other doing with visual intelligence. And just the A D, A of, you know, advice that can be series with literally eyes, I think is really compelling.

If I were apple, that's what I would consider. You know, what can we do in terms of like something that people where and they can potentially wear all the time, just like airports, but on like airports, we now have cameras that we can use and we can you know we can capture what the user is looking at. I think that's really fast.

And obviously, I think you know the syrian integration of the apple intel gent integration is a given. Um but also, I think in a way, glasses made from apple would reinforce the idea that you're still gonna depend on your phone and you know because glasses is like at this point, are not kidding around anymore. These are these need to be cold looking.

They need to be light weight. They need to be something that people can wear without thinking about them. And so really quickly, in the near future, you want to hand off as much possible of the processing to the phone.

And that in turn reinforces the role in the importance of the iphone, just like with the apple watch and just like with airports. Uh, yes, the apple watch has some degree of independence now, but really, you just wants to use IT with the iphone. And I think the glasses may just do the same thing.

If I, apple, what to make this like, maybe a Better, i'd said this is like what are the things that you 嗯 feel like you're missing from the matter， a bands functionality wise that that if IT was like connected .

to either your iphone.

which IT would be connected to iphone is connected to your iphone or of stuff like what what are the features that you think you would conceivably get that you otherwise don't get sure?

Um obviously uh Better integration with the camera and the photos up on the phone instead of into like this idea like singing you know between the matter of you APP and the photos APP no just take a photo and you find that in the photos APP yeah um face time integration I think having you know first first perspective face time calls because i've done them with watch up and they are incredibly cool um just that sort of faith time experience would be neat.

I also think I would very much welcome Better like the the thing that are missing most is Better theory audio and voice quality. When I use siri on the glasses, it's kind of reminiscent top using theory in non car play cars that have regular blue tooth like you get that degraded voice quality. And it's not like when you're speaking and listening to theory while wearing airports right when using your ipods, you're getting that like full on full quality, serious experience here. There is a bit of a delay because it's blue tooth and serious voice, doesn't sound as clean and polished. And so a natural city integration, especially now with apple intel gent, that's what I would that's what I would like to see in the apple version for sure.

right? Yeah yeah. Would be nice. I I don't know about this though. Like I would like them to do this, but like if they're just dying, that's a many years away, right? Yeah from now.

Like if they're just starting this, that is that is quite away away. And I don't I just not I not sure where is this gonna bay in multiple years. Like yeah, I don't know. I I really sure about this.

It's just also it's just also strange to to see this report mean government reporting of these days after this was like talked about internally as wild and to see like we don't see this. So we don't see apple's internal initially spots to what a competitor is doing all that often. So this is kind of a unique, a unique thing.

And then when it's something that they were rumor to be looking at in the past and they shelved whatever reason. And like we got the vision pro instead or until so, that is very strange. And I think we talk about this after a while, wishing off like something like this is much closer to the future. Then vision pro, which is effectively like key gog's and pass through and abcde, you think think you got to do this to get to that. But IT is IT is very strange to the whole storage is like the more I think about IT, IT is very odd that we are even having this conversation this early on.

I really knew you're saying about getting doing this to get to that. I I think what matter I have shown you, I had to do both .

to get to .

that right that like IT has required them making the quest and the great bands to get them to a place where they could make or ran. And that maybe you do need to comment this from both sides to get to that middle perfect product in fifteen years time from now, whatever, because I can think that is the kind of time line iron to where you can can either be get what we have in these technologies today in something so small, you know, you like, for example, you know, like, imagine, you know, federation about face time.

Like what would you take to get a persona in a face time call from regular glasses? And I think that that is like a fifteen year, something you know when I like us a long time to get the technology good enough to do that, but I do think it's doable. Um but I I do think that there is something to be said for doing both sides of this and I think IT does both seeks I think IT builds the companies technological powers above areas and also builds the customer like apple would sell a lot of a smart glasses product if that was done well. IT is weird that they have not done start this project before now in honest because like surely the airports are the suggestion and the apple watch are the suggestion you would find success in this. Yes.

right?

Like those are products which they know a million mouse away from what this thing is like. It's just the wearing able that does some things that your connected device can already do, right, like but does them slightly differently. Like I can listen to audio about the speaker of my iphone and annoy one around me, but I can do that.

But airports are Better for that. You know, like I can look at my notifications on my iphone screen, but my apple watches more convenient for that times, like glasses product like this to be able to take photos that won't be as good, but that would be more convenient to be able to take calls you like. IT is really kind of the one of the products that could orbit around the iphone.

It's intriguing if they are early, like as of a week ago, thinking that this is a project that they should pursue an honest and I would genuinely wonder about this. I'm like full off into theory town now. If like the general disdain that they have a matter has clouded them into thinking if this is a product, they should do that.

They're like, i'll know that's them. Like we don't do what they do. And I and I would wonder if that kind of thinking could have gotten in the way for them or maybe thinking that, like h that matter, people went wana, buy, provide from them so we don't need to worry about that.

But like I don't think that's the case. So I don't know. But like I IT is weird to make that that if if this is if if government reporting is correct, that they only have just started this. I would find that to be curious because IT does seem like a logical step, but maybe it's an logical in hindside animal check .

back in and a decade is what we're saying.

Boy, I don't know, I don't know like I don't know how long I would take them to produce a product like this. I think IT would be complicated. Um I think apple .

could do IT faster the matter with with their hardwork .

expertise. If I can, they make you look good.

Yeah, I don't know.

right? Like I think meta was able to produce the product that they are able to produce at the time they could because of the powny ship with the looks up to her, I think is the brand right?

The ones and and be fair, iran like, yeah the metta stuff medaba a real like ryan, not a product, right? It's on its way to a product.

And so yeah, but we're talking and this project is not that this project is I it's just ribands. It's just that, right? But it's not apple was working on they definitely working on A R glasses, right? But that is not this.

That's a different thing that is many years away. But like I mean, I I don't know, it's a hard it's a hard thing to produce a product that people want to put on their faces. Um and obviously, rebound has had a long history of of working that out. Apple has very good design. Apple hasn't .

made something people want to put on their faces. So but but I mean is the .

best looking for our head that but that's it's not necessarily a high bar or ball its worth crossing. Yeah I don't know. I think that that is that all that is that for me, that's the biggest risk factor is will they be able to produce something that people actually wanted ware because the the anonymity factor that you're getting federal co would not work here. I don't think this people would know is the apple .

one yeah yeah because it's not .

gonna look like something else yeah I .

think you're right. I don't know. I am am a little concerned. You said that this project just started and maybe was i'm curiously if like three years for now, five years for now, this will turn out to be a bigger miscalculation on apple's part.

Then we then what we're thinking today, you know like I don't know, I just feel like it'll be interesting to see if going down the path of a really expensive asset instead of starting a little more humble and a little smaller and being like but most people really won gasses is now. And maybe there's there's value to be had in, you know making glasses that don't cost fortune and can help our A I features with cameras and microphones and speakers. I don't know.

I don't know. I'm like it's the thing is it's not like I bought this glasses because I met up super fan or anything, you know, I just think they look cool and it's and I don't even think i'm that locked into the media ecosystem. I'm not using any A I features with these glasses, but other people are.

And I don't know. I just feel like I think it's surprising that a company like apple didn't see the success of this product come in and were here in late twenty twenty four, and they just started a focus group about IT. I don't know, very strange.

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