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From relay, this is connected I, P, O, five hundred and twenty four today showers brought you by duck, duck, net, suit and express V, P, and am one of your cohoes for the week we teach you. And it's my pleasure to introduce to this program Ricky benching mike? hardly.

Hello, ki m, so so we have now passed the halfway. We're passed like we're on the the the the decline towards Steven returning, which as I say that I didn't mean IT like that, like that the shows is gonna get worse. I meant that, like if you imagine that was a midway peak, we have now passed that. So I think what we ve got next week's show and then Stevens back, so then the show maybe is to decline now. And then Stephen returns and then the show bounced back, you know right?

That is a very strange way of saying of expressing this concept. I you very job decline because you're saying it's a decline toward a happy moment.

yes, which is a very strange. Yeah, it's a it's a decline towards happiness, which is okay. Well.

it's yeah, it's always darkest before dawn .

day you go. And so welcome to the darkness. I mean, literally today we are going to talk about A I and the D M. A.

So I mean, I mean, i'm not wrong, but both and know what you think, know what you think we're not doing IT in the way that you think we're doing IT, but we are going to do IT. But before we do IT, we have some follow up. So we were actually hoping that toy's.

So I was gonna a Ricky like I was hoping that that was gonna be what happened. And we had a whole system in place for if there was gonna a Ricky, we're going to get O, T, J. To come.

And he was gonna k. For Stephen. And I was really excited about that. I was wondering what that was gonna be like a because what I was what I was wondering, and maybe we can ask join this. What I was wondering is what john have actually tried to play the game or would you tried to throw the game?

Um I think john, I think john is an honest person. He would have, he would have played, the actually .

would have play IT.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I would like, good for me though, because if you would have won, oh, boy, could i've called collusion, you know, wow, that would have been fun for me.

I need get, do you have the whole plan? Didn't know know the two.

I can hear IT now. But anyway, we're not doing IT because there are there well, there hasn't been an event in five. I mean, who knows, maybe there is one and it's not until november. But do you think this .

kind of be an event?

Not anymore.

Okay, neither.

Um I I thought they would be me and Jason drafted and I said thought would be an event an event in the sense of just like he has a video. I didn't think IT was going to be a big sungen dance. But just in the last couple of days um there pans some reporting and namely from basically saying that the max is still coming, something still happening within the next week or so. The new max will come out and apple is going to be holding an event for influences next wednesday in a so my expectation now is that maybe monday or tuesday, there will be impressed leases with some max. I don't say like if we do get the mac mini in the way that they're saying that the rumors are suggesting, I think it's said that they're not to do something, but they could just put out a little video or whatever like I never think of remember the magic keyboard when they enough the magic keyboard and like march twenty, twenty.

what did did you what did you with the world?

Because I was much remember that time ah they they just made a video just crag federici just like .

showing IT off oh my god. So yes yeah I completely remove that IT .

was the first. IT was the first one of these like they didn't. Uh, I think I think IT was like the first and just like, oh, hey, here you go, you know what I mean and they .

just did just did IT I yeah because I was also like all the developer documentation about IT afterwards for like the hover staff. And yeah, I had completely removed all of that from my brain.

Oh, I mean, now jack just reminded me that I was even, which was that apple made a video but didn't post IT to youtube, but sent the video to journalists. I allowed them to post IT. So Jason posted IT on the six colors youtube channel and is currently seeking at nine hundred thousand years. So I think I did good for Jason. You know.

they had no idea. They really didn't like.

They really, really didn't know what they were doing at that point. Understandably, that was my eighteen th twenty twenty lait just all kicked off the and so I think that they would just like they were just doing doing the best they could do what they had. And then IT was not just a magic keyboard, but IT was also the the fact that the ipad procter existed, right? Like IT was the kind of the combo and so they did that, that was worthy of more .

interesting what an exciting day though, like the introduction of the magic retry. I track bed. I was so happy that day.

I think that was the day that I bought the twenty twenty ipad per like solo soca and just got light like yes, I had to be happy about .

that like such as such a strange combination feelings because you know on the one hand, a pandemic with the lock down and immediate, we really had a bad at that moment um but on the other hand um you know an ipad with the magic keyboards.

I will say that that time is now but like that time and like mid much, they still had that thing of like all this will fix IT though like would just be a home for like a couple of weeks and like IT will, you know break IT, you know, like and then will be OK. And then to my recollection, anyway, you got to like April, man, is that this is like the same change in, I think we just to be a couple of weeks, we just do to shake hands .

to see each other a little did they know last year? Uh, yeah, anyway, so new max, yeah, next week does .

IT look as probably what's gona happen, right? But next week it's onna, be busy, busy because we got all the point. One releases is next week, apple of god earnings on thursday, so that all the stuff got a slot in somewhere. So I don't know what we're gna get back if the expectation right now is that there will be max, uh, we're gonna done on the show next week with us. Uh, more talk volume.

yeah for sure, for sure.

And join a stand like, so again, power less like apple said that the problem begins next week. And look, the release of that point. One is out light on the show. John aston, democrati C2Can tal k abo ut the app le int el stu ff. There wasn't really anything particularly new in this because you kind of wouldn't.

But I do find the interesting at the moment to just hear them talk about apple intelligence, like I don't know why, but like this like is specifically interesting to me to just hear apple executives talk about IT because I kind of want to get my head around where they are at a lot of the time because it's such a sticky weird thing. Um and I guess the main thing that I found interesting about IT is when they were talking about he was talking about photos. I can kind of like what apples doing with photos and how much more the competitors are doing, I guess.

Um and I found that interest you are saying like stuff that we've heard of before like that there was a lot of eternal debate about how much they would add and they just had a catch up. But like what they're not gonna do is add general stuff into photos. 那 i thought IT was interest。

I got some breaking .

news for you.

OK eighteen point two developer beta is out right now. And um this ba includes upcoming features powered by apple intelligence. Ts, um pretty sure this one will have our good friend image playgrounds.

so I will install this.

And right now I won't .

able to won't. We were planning today to talk about my experiences of apple interested in the U。 S.

Eighteen point one. So when we get to that, uh, I will also be able to talk about stead. The mike is going .

to prompt apple interesting to create images during the show. That's what we're going to do. Mike is going good images.

English U. K is now too.

So now you know you can so i'm .

gone to start. That is apparently twenty five minutes to downloads. So OK, i'm gonna the change.

See where we are. Not even sure why i'm download my phone, but whatever .

this might be.

there may be changes in parts. You know what? One one feature for me, one changing reminders, one changing notes. Make me a happy boy.

A A for teach .

a little, just a little A I have .

a question for you. So people who listen to um my broadcast quartets, they can have know that this time of year is a state at the uptime sound like where we go through all the apps that we use and also share our home screens and stuff. And so usually as i'm preparing for this time, i'm like cleaning up my home screens and I candidate some consolidation and ended up with sport for couple of small wages. And I was just wondering if you had any recommendations for good and call widget, like good ones, cool ones or good and cool widgets.

What do you mean? Good because .

I could like just like good.

just good, just good ones. interesting. So are you looking for something like for product T V T or stuff to just because i'm pretty sure that want want the cool one set of seen um maybe you're .

using the dark noise is is that the name of what they have .

some pretty cool. They have some pretty cool home screen and control center wages are our interactive and they they start .

playing um OK sounds from there.

See the thing that I struggle with regarding widget is that the type of widget that I will use all the time doesn't exist. I just want to have kind like on android. I think it's possible.

I just wanted have a widget that that I click on IT and I stay on the home screen, but I can type something with the keyboard, right? I just want to have something for a quick country. And the only way that I can do IT is V I shortcut. Um that's the only way I think you're um I think you're unfortunately asking the wrong person because I I I have zero which just on .

my hometown, right?

That's and the ones that I do have in the today page like a smoke are calendar and remo K.

I don't know why you're so bad at which is but IT turns out you're robot at which so I am really passionate ones. If you have suggestions for good and cool widgets, go to uh, connective feedback dot com and send them because I would like them. I was honestly expecting that federal ka would have a answers for me, but turns, I doesn't sah connect to feedback com.

If you have suggestions, good and cool with this, I must be good and cool. Um I I will give one suggestion of my own. The vital bridges is pretty good and cool. I like IT IT looks nice and it's like that's good information for me to just have my home screen a cool and cool connected feed back dot com and help people help. This episode of connected is brought to you by sock dog.

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yeah, yeah. Thank you. And to be fair, I could have been a take about any like you could have been at the same take for the old mini. Yeah, I just happened that I had this idea while thinking about the new one, but IT just IT also applies to the previous one.

I guess it's a, yeah, it's this idea of of a third place, right? It's basically, I thought of this old commercial for the P S to directed by David linch of all people um he being that there's this concept in sociology of a third place um in the sense that most people have a first place, their home, they have a second place, their work, their office, whatever they go to work and the third places i've referred to as this usually social places where people go to to socialized with other people to spend time around other people. There can be bookstores, coffee shops, bars, clubs, theatres, public parks, whatever um and with that commercial, in the year two thousand, SONY wanted to sort of ut of drive home this idea of the play station too.

Thanks to its its capabilities IT can get you all these different third places right uh, because of the boundless possibilities created by video games. You can be you can be an adventure, can be uh, uh, a raced card driver, you can be a spy. You can be, you know what you can be, what are you want because of, uh, you can have a variety of third places.

And that's why that commercial and the other commercials in that campaign were so strange and odds, you know, combining multiple characters, very cyp tic vibe, which looked A G and cool for the time. Uh, but that was the idea. And I was thinking about this in the context top as people were still pretty much function along those lines.

Are we spend time at home? We have a responsibility, E S, for work, and then we just hang out, usually with other people. We, we, we pass the time, we socialize with other people.

And I started thinking, like, how does that translate to the tech products that we use? And so this I I thought of this analogy, you know we have our phone that is our primary device um in a way it's our first place. We have the second place that is our computer because that's where we do the work, right?

Uh, most people, I would say they do their work these days on a computer, whether it's a laptop or a tablet or does up whatever. And then we like to spend the time uh, reading, watching movies, listening to music, podcast, playing meter games, whatever. What device do we use for that? And I I and speaking from personal experience here, uh just like in that SONY commercial, there's a variety of third places, uh, there's tablets.

Some people have A A new reader, others have a dedicated music player. IT can be a little game council. IT can be IT can be A P, C.

handle. IT can be a steam deck. Uh you know there plenty of options to choose from when you wanna pass the time with something digital right?

Um and so that's what that's I I started thinking about the ipad mini. I don't wanna use IT as an alternative to my ipad pro. I couldn't even if I wanted to.

Um I dam wanna use IT as an alternative to my phone because my phone as my team card in IT as my phone number. That's how people reach me. That's how everything else reaches me, right?

I just want to to use the ipad mini as as a third device, as as a third place for just a handful of tasks that are just for me, reading usually articles, watching my youtube q, watching the occasional T, V show, you know, just streaming something in the device that is more comfortable than my ipad pro and bigger than my iphone. So that was the idea. And yeah, not that I had a lot to say about everything because the ipad mini is so similar. I mean, it's literally the same chasa with just slightly different specks inside. I mean.

a lot of this job, but points is finding stories about the technology. That's not the technology, right? Like that's that's the work, right? Think you you could just write the very you could just write a very technical review about this product and that could be the end of IT.

But but being able to communicate something more interesting is what separates somebody who's good at this, who's and who's not, in my opinion. So I was very surprised mean, for this particular product. I was very surprised that anybody could have A A really interesting take.

But I think you had one um just because of how similar IT is and like and I don't think apple is hiding that right. Like IT this product to exist solely so they can have an ipad minute. I intelligent, which I agree with the thinking, right? Like agree with the thinking. I would like to see them do more. I believe they will do more.

But for the time being, they just want to update this product because he is a relatively expensive product to have a Better chip in IT um because there are so many other ipad that can support these features just because of the chip that they have in them so unhappy that they did IT. Um the third place idea is really interesting to me, especially in the contrast of the um the the SONY that you're mentioning because like it's more about like physical places and you talk about this a lot in the quarter of like the kind of the idea of this is like the reactive physical places. But our lives have changed so much since that point and really the devices are emblem matic of uh social work um yes, now more than ever, right.

And so I guess there is something particularly interesting in the third place I did that I shouldn't I shouldn't really have access to any of these things. And and I think it's the thing that you hear people talk about a lot but not in these words whether like I want a kindle because he has no apps on IT or I want to you know the the thing that every blogger said forever in in the history and forever into infinity, I went to dedicate a writing computer um or similarly like you like what you're doing, like I want to set up an ipad that has different absolute. It's like what i'm doing right when I spoke last week about my two ipad.

And one of them is set up we have just a specific set of apps on IT to accomplish a specific type of work, which is in a physically separated part of my studio. And like that is its own place. And I feel like I actually join about today, like I I have a different feeling when I working at that desk.

It's actually I just like very mentally healthy figuring for me because I I mean this different place um and just in general in my in my studio I have three distinct places which is funny to think about four really I have a lounge area. I have my desperate and work today. I have the descent record and then I have my problem and desk.

So like I I am definitely of the mind of like separating these things out as much as you can. And I even similarly to a point, have this for some apps. Like for example, if you take like me, Stephen, we I message about personal stuff and we talk in in slack about work stuff and we never cross them which is that is I could a thing that I find to be super valuable um to be able to maintain personal relationship.

You work to kind of like trying to separate the work and the personal little bit. But anyway, this is like a long way around to say, like I really like that idea do, do we? Obviously, there's more than three places.

Now I think that's the the thing that has changed, right? Because we have games consoles. Some of us have like twenty five games consoles. Yes, some of us, some of us, some of us. Her second A N olden, I want to .

say going to be .

a third third one. Be interesting for you. Um but yeah, I I thought I was just I just thought it's an interesting idea and IT is about I think as our lives I like online lives in our real lives have becomes so intimate LED, especially in the last five years, just like in general, everything everybody feels this way and also like where you work, maybe different to where I was five years ago.

Um the the need to have a little bit of separation is good. And I don't think IT needs to be a device though, right? Like I do think that apple has done a good enough job now of being able to let you customize devices for focus modes and stuff like that.

Like there is an element of being able to give something to give you of even just one device, a separate fiel um and you can do some things like concern and apps off in certain focus modes and still like that so you could trying create that third device on your iphone or your your ipad. But yeah, I think it's an interesting idea. I like IT.

Yeah yeah. And I think about this, there's always there's always gona be detention between, oh, I want to be able to do everything on one device and be more minimalistic with with the hardware that I use versus I just want to have dedicated devices, you know, specialized devices, each doing what is supposed to do. And I don't think there's a right wrong answer. I think and actually I I even think it's okay to change how you feel about that throughout your life.

Like maybe there's a period of your life where you want to consolidate, where you, anna, be more minimum tic, and maybe there's another season of your life where you just wants to be, you know, you wanted take the the the the maximum st approach and be like I want to to have a dedicated device for every single thing I do and be very specialized in the computers that I use. I don't think you're supposed to I think it's OK. It's okay to be fluid in that sense with the technology that you use.

And so maybe I enjoy using the ipad mini now, maybe I want in a year and that's fine. Uh, I think I think we we have gotten so especially this is especially a thing in the apple community where you're supposed to make a decision and stick with IT. Um it's silly.

It's a silly thing. Use whatever brings you joy in any season of your life and move on if IT doesn't anymore. That's what I .

think yeah isn't the podcast for IT today. But I I think the. In general, there is a mentality, either he feels like in in today's society, either any opinion that you make, you're bound to for the .

rest of your now yeah, that's so you you hinted at this in your cortex episode like to follow up to AI yeah yeah. Like it's so silly. Like when the reality around you changes so quickly, why are you supposed to say the same? Yes, right. It's silly. So I .

guess social media be a final and is, I guess, is the statement making, which I do believe and I going to think any social media should be, uh, something sticks around forever. Thank you to for cry idea for us that that the tweet would not delete. And we are, we are.

anyway, are so, anyway, desire at me, the juice crawling. I cannot see, apparently the only personal can see the jealous growling is David peers .

of the verge maybe .

the wifi maybe maybe David looking into that um wifi six scenes set a wifi six apple pencil pro.

I do think that I mean, I haven't seen one of these ipad minutes yet, but I I can imagine a scenario which is still the abbot is is is significantly fixed because lots and lots of displays have this problem. But it's it's it's mostly unacceptable. And if David seeing IT, maybe David is just more um sensitive to IT looking a way that like Stephen can't use promotion of maybe some people more than others. IT does seem like from reports from people have had IT and also reports of reports of reports of conversations like Jason snow had then that the apple seems to have addressed IT even though they are not specifically saying as such but hey, they have made some changes .

to display controller or what's right how they answer yes um but yeah I mean right now this ipad me is gonna without a case the tablet that I .

keep on my night stand OK I like the small .

follow a lot I just I like IT I like IT but the way i'm gonna use IT this device is not gona travel um it's one less thing I need to like, physical thing I need to Carry about. I need to worry about because like when i'm gonna read, i'm just onna take off take out the smart folio like anyway i'm just i'm just not gona use IT so I use my phone without a case. Why should I use my ipad mini with the case?

Yeah I know I agree that I I do think ipad cases provide utility that iphone cases don't. But if you don't feel you IT, that's fine, right? Like that you they can stand you know what I mean, you can like stand the ipad if you don't need that. That's great. And also IT makes the advice feel thinner if you don't cause an exact exactly.

that's nice. Yes.

maybe for pops up on IT. You know.

you feel I I actually thought about IT, you know, does this? So help me out here. Do they leave residue in the back?

Stick IT? You have to stick IT like.

right? But is IT like, is IT like that microsoft? Or is actually .

I I have when when I was using them stuck, they were I don't know what they're using for adhesive now because now I just use the maximum once.

right?

But there's no max, no maxi is no x, but I don't know they should am i'm sure that they use the microstructure um I I don't know .

for sure are looking to and I are looking .

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I connected. A thanks to next sweet for the support of the show. And really, so some time ago, I think IT was in march, we are create new game called the E.

U. S. Well, we made a selection of pics based on the deep, what we thought could happen with the D.

M. A. And we set this, I think, a month in advance, and nothing changed. Now none of the things that we thought could change changed.

So then we will like, well, we will just kick this can and down the road and score IT six months from now yeah those six months of past. So we're now going to look back at our predictions and see what's changed. Uh I will put a link in the showers to the wonderful uh Ricky stock co.

And Ricky store net um because they have, as they always do for all of our games, put together uh a list of the picks that we made in case you want to score along home. H spoil a lot. There is there is only really one way of scoring any of this.

And realistically the answer is none of IT is being scored a in a uh way which is good, I suppose so but let's go through IT. So we're onna score this of us even because this was the uh, agreement we had two rounds. We mean two picks each. Um you do you want to to talk about your first pick?

I said the C, T, F court technology phy is considerably altered, especially for web distribution.

So I spent a bunch of time today, federal, I did. I spent some time on on both of our behalf. Digging through is I had a horrible ban on digging through the support documents on the develop performs and to develop a website to try and see if anything had change of any of this stuff that's um and so this was maybe okay so I found an article from Juliet.

Mac story, mac stories, mac rumors is my rumors, not stories. They take talk about rumors, not story. You talk about stories and rumors.

Um couple quotes first, so that have been changes to the C T F. The C T F has in fact been considerable altered. First, independent and small developers who are no revenue or all will not have to pay the C T F.

Second, to address fears of the C T F causing outrageous fees for an APP that suddenly goes viral, apple is implemented a three year on ramping process for small developers. okay. So IT has been considerably altered.

but not that .

especially .

for especially for .

web distribution. There have been zero changes that are specific for web distribution.

This is, this is a not a point.

a fettering cut. We're not bound by any rules.

While the C, T, F is considered, we altered, especially for web distribution.

the C, T, F has been considered altered. Thanks a half point.

but we don't have we don't do half points.

There are no rules for this game. We can do whenever we want. I can fifteen points for that.

Okay there. right? So this is half point heart.

yeah. Finally, take your heart point 一个 half point。 There are no rules. We established zero rules for this game. So if I say that is a half point for you.

I ve been waiting for a half point for half my life, really. Yeah, I I do think .

we used to give half points, which is why we ended up getting rid of half points.

The sweet scent of a half .

point rules. My first pic was a member of good standing language removed. So this was the idea that for web contribution, you had to be quite a member of good standing in the APP store.

Is IT still in there? Yeah, yeah. They still talk about that.

So I found this today is currently to IT says to be a member, good standing of the apple developer program for two continuous years or more. This is one of the ones where I believe the E. U. Has been like you. You can't say that, but nothing changed yet because they're kind of the lost that I paid significant attention to D M.

A stuff because i've decided to take a little bit of mental break from that will because I just don't find IT to be very enriching really IT seems like that currently the E U N apple in a bit of a, they just got the crack there. He s together and nothing changed. Well, like the e use arguing to be until stuff that hasn't kind of like handed out anything yet is the lost that I remember.

And one of the things that they point pointed to is this member of good standing thing but nothings changed yet and so apple still saying that you have to remember good standing okay um so a zero points for me um Stephen said developers are required to use apple scary screens for alternate payments and linking out to the web for purchase. This is still in place. Okay, this is like I think another thing that is uh that is still kind of being contested is whether they can do this.

But currently in the developer documentation, they still have the I think they call P S. P S which is always funny to me. P S equal P S pace. Um what is i'm trying to find what IT stands for but I think like .

of all time something .

oh no it's PSP are like the um payment service providers, but they like the payment service provider screens and IT still says like this APP doesn't support the private and secure payment system. You're going to be going out to the right. It's got to that language in the steel. So they haven't removed those. So at the end around one, you scored half a point.

Okay, good, nice. Round two, my pig was phil shiller replaced as head of the initiative.

And no, as soon as we were wead.

that has not happen. For for all we know, for all we know, feel is still. Still hanging in there at the D. M.

A table. I mean, at the ginning of the year, he was giving a bunch of quotes about that. We really heard anything about a sense.

But we haven't. We haven't gone. We haven't gone anywhere so far.

Okay， what did you say next?

Mine is the C, T, F is removed for fully free apps.

We, they get that right. We, we.

we said that kind. I mean.

of you.

I think it's kind of because the language is independent and small developers who earn no revenue or all will not have to pay the C. T. F.

okay. So somebody is fully .

removed for in some circumstances, but not have a point circumstances. I would agree with you. I think that's half point of a point.

I I love, I love this anny half a point. I really.

really, yes, I really, I think this is fantastic. And Stevens, round two was changes to rules about apps being installed from alternative source. No, he's the thing.

Stephen pig, I don't know why we allowed at the wording because it's like not all he was. He does not describe what he was talking about today. I had to go back and listen to this part of the cast from when he made the pig.

What he was talking about was because I, and it's funny, he said he made his pick. And in my immediate things to what does that mean? And then he explained what he actually meant. So I don't know why we we just kind of let IT all the way did did.

But while he was talking about is, let's say you have delta installed right? And from the from the APP store and you download old store and then you download delta, that IT should one should replace the other. That does not happen like the what he wanted is that like apps installed from other resources could just update themselves over another APP. And that seems to also not been changed to all. And in fact, I found wording that said that like you know when when they talked about like what happens if you go away for a month for whatever um that you you will lose your access, your applications and you do you you have to read, download different of a store if you move or whatever, you may lose data so they have to change so essentially the main change is that C T F did get altered um and because of that we will school a half a point and see even school zero points.

Good, good, good. That's what that's what he gets for being away. That is in to.

yeah, yes.

take that, take that as a vertical. No half points. yeah.

Are you like that now? Uh, cool. So we want right. Is that is that the conclusion?

I think so. I mean, okay, and I think let me take a look.

So what do we get? What do we get .

for win? nothing. But we both walk away with our point.

This is sad of Victory ever. We got not in because we got to help.

There is a lot of conversation to discord, as you can currently imagine, that these things would go about what the actual scoring rules for this. I don't remember .

setting any scoring.

I don't think. But whatever the scoring rules are.

half of we, half the two.

share the Victory. Yeah, how about that thing? We.

yeah, this is, this is a useless Victory, to be fair, but is still a Victory. So you know, when you close your laptop today and you go home and you'll be on a train, you'll be thinking, man, I want something today.

He doesn't mean anything.

but does not mean anything.

But I want, I will say though, like being this far away from us making these picks, I am really surprised that nothing significant has changed. A lot of these .

areas IT. All kinds stopped. Now to be honest, it's not like in europe, you can expect regulators to be working in the summer .

right central. So maybe things will .

pick up again before Christmas. But realistically, if it's like in italy, you have a month before people start taking time off again and we will talk about IT again in me, january. So I feel like as well.

there's just like enough stuff has happened that basically somebody needs to do something now like someone needs to do something significant ever. The E. U. Needs to actually find them or apple needs to say, screw you. Like one of these things has to happen.

Now I think for there to be any meaningful actual change to the scenario because all IT has been for like the last year or whatever is just how about this? No, how about this? no.

And a dash is gonna ry on forever, like one of them needs to actually make some kind of big statement to to make I feel like some kind of significant change. I'm not necessarily saying I want any other things to happen, but like something significant needs to occur to move this forward. And IT hasn't.

You know, I was thinking to the other day, like I was, as I tend to do, I was thinking about the third percent cut. I think about that a lot. I just like when just imagine, just like W, B, T, C. And I like, look, we have some notes or changing. He would just people just be so happy, you know, because I was thinking about the vision pro, the vision pro APP store and I was thinking about A R glasses and like an A R APP store and like they need to change that dynamic. That dynamic has to change to to be able to to move forward.

And I think if we get to the scenario where it's like there are these meta glasses and then there are these apple glasses and like matters like come to what you want a rustle, like whatever recall, which is not how they work right now, but they could do that if they wanted to. I think that could caused the problem. And and so I just feel like they could, but I don't think it's gonna happen, but I just want them to do. I just want them to to just listen .

IT that would be there would be something to to to see. I don't think you're .

gona do IT no but I want them to yeah uh.

can we talk about tim cook using to have different devices on a daily basis? Yeah I really I really wanted talk about this. Can you context ize where this idea comes from?

So there was a wall street journal um profile of tim cook, which I have not read the entire thing. Yeah I ve just been read a little bit. Some of some is so far but there is an accent on the verge written a by west Davis which is also a great article because west tries to live their life the best that they can, like somebody who just uses every apple product imaginable, is is a fun take on this article.

But it's coming from a quote in the world city general magazine where this is a quote from from the article while discussing his daily routine, tim cook told bankin in this, uh, this sorry, this is a combo of from the verge and so I D from the while discussing his daily routine, tim cook told the coin in the W S. J magazine interview that he everyday uses every product in the story he mentioned, specifically using an iphone and apple watch airports and then for work, two different mac books and imac, a vision pro and an ipad pro. This is every day tim cook every day uses and iphone, an apple watch and airports, two different mac books and I mac, a vision .

pro and P O OK the first half. It's okay. It's not. It's fine. I also use an iphone and apple watching airplanes every day. Yeah, it's the second part .

of the sentence right now. Again, we very ware of the fact that we've both said that we use multiple ipad, right? Like so you know that's that's on us. We're basically took but I don't know why you need two different mac books. I don't know what that's for.

So let's assume that you have one macbook at home and one macbook on your desk.

But then we am why are you using a laptop of all you're not taking IT with?

You don't know. The problem is two macbook ks plus and imac.

yes, plus and ipad pro and a vision pro.

okay. So maybe the vision pro you're using at night, let's say the tim cook, he said that before he watched that last on the ceiling. I believe that was a quote from from last year or this year.

Um where do the two mac books and I like an an IP pro go during the day? That's what I don't understand. It's all those computers, especially the because the ipad pro maybe is walking around apple park holding in a life with pro.

You know he likes to take is to take his walks and he's doing email walking, you know grab in the nip pro as a tablet, you know with the pencil, but the two mac books pass and imac. What are you doing there? So I don't know and I think this is more of A I cannot anna say publicity is something I don't think it's time, but I think it's like, yeah sure I use everything you .

know I mean, I 妹妹 big look， you don't have to say you use two different mac books, right like that. That's a thing of that to say like I use and I found an apple watch airpower S A macbook and I mac vision pro, ipad pro like that fine but like it's the two mac books saying that I get stuck on because I like, what what they? What are you? why? What are you doing? You know, but I love you.

I just love, I love the thought of him using all these computers. I don't know why is using an imac? I why are you just not using one of his laptop plugged into a studio or display to use a studio display? You know, like, I want to.

I wanna know more. This is the thing like, you know. If I was never of the opportunity, interview crime, by and large, IT would be pointless.

Let this be realistic, right? In the sense of I might enjoy IT, but everyone's gonna unhappy, right? Because i'm not gonna able to get answers to any question you want, like i'm not going to be able to get an answer for. Remember about the D M.

A, let's say, right? Like we all know the pitt falls at these things like you. You're not actually gone to get answers to questions that you, that people, that the listeners want you to get because apple is not going to give that information willingly, right?

That information is given when they choose to give IT. You can't just say to them. Tell me about this. People think that if you just ask these questions, you'll get answers, which is just madness. No idea.

People have no idea how these .

interviews were. Yeah, that's the problem. You can ask whatever you want, but they're just gna say, i'm not gonna wer that and so like then, you've wasted everybody is also.

it's never gonna be part of the of interview that you see or listen to you like that's just not how we works here and like, uh yeah yeah people have no idea and also.

I mean, at least for me, I I don't I don't feel the need to go around making enemies of people like I don't want to be combative, right? I don't want to sit down with ten cook and then make him like, annoyed.

What would I do now? I am, see you of the biggest company in the world. I am gna make you willingly uncomfortable.

That's what i'm going to do with my life today, and I will never be able to interview you again. And yeah, that's that's a solid plan. Why not?

But again, and like this is why, like, i'm happy to not be a journalist. I know, journalist i've know because I have no ethics.

Let's know what I mean.

I have zero ethics. I'm not bound by like the journalistic code, whatever that everybody else puts their right hand on the ap style guy, they left time to the sky and make some kind of statement.

I don't know you think that's how how you think that's how even did IT probably.

right? OK probably. But what I would wanna ask him, like if I got the opportunity to speak to him cook, I wanna ask him about this, right? Like I want to go through in my new detail how he uses his products every day.

Like what is he doing on them? Like what what device they pick up? What do on? What does he do his email? Where does he send his messages? Some of that in this article, right? Well, like to talk IT about the group threads.

Did you catch this is like you have a name group threats like, oh, like a name of good like I have my romains. I've called the romains incredible. I that's what I want. And I do like the band got some of that stuff out of him but like I I that's what I want.

So apple, if you're out there and you want him, could to talk about exactly how we uses all of this is everyday, call me and that's all will talk about and tell what that would be the most interesting interview I can get out. The man like, I know that for sure, because we all have a good time. We'd out out about like the benefits of one screen size over another, you know, stupid, right? But tim cook is an is an absolute mad lab power user.

is what we ve learned. I'm still thinking about the two mac books plus and I like plus IP pro. I cannot get over that. But okay.

two macbook ks, two mac books, two mac .

books and I like, yeah, I like a pro yeah these are not for some.

Hang on a minute, he just says this one big screen that he just keeps on folding. And he puts in different places. Wow, that's how what works.

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So next week I will say input ones coming out and the release cancer us out. And we mentioned earlier I S eighteen point two is now out and my phone is very hot, but IT is installed. So I I have that there from if if when we wanted get to that because i've not even done anything with the exit. I don't even know where to start like I don't know where to go to start with IT, maybe you can help me with that um but you wanted to know a little a bit about how I have been using apple intelligence. I think yeah .

to ask .

me what you want to know.

I don't know.

I was just because I think you i've i've been talking to john about IT and he had a completely different type of experience ah and so I just wanted to know, like his apple intel gent, something that you use on a regular basis um is upper intel's ence, something that if you want into settings and turn that off is IT something that you would miss immediately? Or like what's your relationship with IT? How much to use IT is is as IT becomes something you rely upon? Or just is this still legion? C, like, I wanna know yeah how how you live with IT, how you work with IT.

Well, I I I think at this point there would be features that I would miss, and there would be features that I wouldn't like. I could just go do something else. I could could to do something else.

So I think the features that I would miss would be summarize and like these summaries of various things. So I have come to really like the notification summary stuff and IT is not perfect like that for sure, right? Like there's some stuff that IT summarizes where really the thing that is being summarized like this APP probably shouldn't have summarizing apply to IT because IT just doesn't make sense.

Like for example, if I have an example, right um i'm going to turn this off because IT doesn't work for me. Like I have notifications for overcast, they just go in to my notification center. So like I can see when new podcasts I like you posted and overcast notifications have the episode description in them right now, episode descriptions for two different podcasts merge together doesn't make sense because these are two incredibly different things.

For example, I have a the episode scription for today's episode of the panada, the me brad mid, because I scribe to my own shows to make sure they post and then also, uh the summary for the tea daily update. And like one is about pens and pencils and one is about technology. So like when they are put together as if it's one source of data, there are so desperate for each other that IT doesn't make sense to summarize IT because what IT does.

So I will I will read this to you. Netflix is margin expansion highlights its business model differentiation chona october continues if pencil kit build out like one is about netflix, the other is about brad pencil case not like together, that isn't helpful, right? But there are lots of things that are like the best ones by far.

Are I like the honest stuff, right? So like I have, I get unification from my front doors open and closed and you, you know, up prior to this feature. In point one, I would just tap IT and there be like a list of twenty things right maybe during the day.

But now I look at that and it's like multiple status have changed for the door. IT was most recently closed. That is just like a good piece of information to get from the notification like that is that is like Better notification than door clouds plus twenty more, right?

Yeah I I think that there is there is a benefit to that. Um and similarly, like if somebody sends me a long slack message IT summarizes IT that is helpful because I can get a sense of what the messages in one sentence I could buy. And large, most of these things are good.

Like I would say, there are a lot of viral ones. And even that interview that I mentioned earlier with joana stone and quick for I johana brought up there was like somebody who got a bunch of messages, but they were broken up with. And IT was like, super stem. IT was like, relationship is over, request for requesting stuff to be picked top or something like that. And craig was like, and crag that a great job answer is I think he was like, yeah I mean, that is a bit like straightforward, but also it's not great to be broken up with by text anyway.

So it's kind of no good way which you're gonna that information and I was like that is a great because like, okay, the notifications got condensed ed, but you would have just seen the notification where I would have said, i'm sorry, but it's over a so like is IT really that much different? Is just like that was the content of the message. But like I do feel like getting somebody summaries can be really good and like I feel the same about you get these the email summaries now too.

So um there are two ways you can get some marriage of emails and like seeing the the in my inbox right you get a list of messages and you can choose to have a summary of the message as the preview. A summary of the contents is Better to me than just see and hi mike, how you over and over and over again from different messages like getting a message instead of seeing like the preview of like I might Carry you to be like you, this message includes details about the order and IT has an invoice like that is just a Better preview right then the ways in which people would start an email. Um so i'd like that.

I think that is good. I also like that a lot of market emails that I get sometimes would be like, uh, talking about a new product line that includes twenty percent discount code like what that ones may be interesting to me because it's I can see that there there is stuff going on in this email. So I like that.

Similarly, when you're in an email, you can press the button to summarize IT for you. And for some email user, as I subscribed to, I will press that button to kind of get an overview of what is in the email to see if I want to digging to any topics I described to use right feel the need to read everything. Um I think that is healthy like i'm not like i'm just going to read all of IT.

And before I would be like if I don't have the time for this, i'm just going to have to get rid of IT. But now if I don't have the time, I can get a quick summary to see if maybe I do want to to jump three, two thousand down the email to read this one thing. So I like you for that.

So the summary stuff is my favorite. And like IT. And if that was gone, I would miss IT. That's kind of the only thing currently that I would I would significantly miss. So other things that, I mean, i've tried the writing tools, you like the writing tools that are put into the system, I find them good for proof reading a i'd like the condenser feature to kind of just make something shorter. And but the best one, I think, is making a list of self like that is helpful because making lists is annoying.

Like if you have like a bunch attacks, because anyone turn into a list, being able to say, like press one button, make us a list that just like a great feature for a computer to do and like computers don't do a good job of that and like that, this is like a good thing for your computer to just be like, here's a list for you right, right, right. Um I find the tone of some of the rewriting stuff, you know like we're like make this happy, make this serious to just be way over the top like they need to dial that tone back like I if i've ever tried to get a tone change on something like, you know I write something out like right is in a cheerful way or a professional way I feel like they go way to extreme in that tune request. And like what I like about a tool like ChatGPT for this is you can specify yourself what that tone should be right so like you can say right this in such a such tone and and like one of the things that I like to do in doing sources that keep my style of ring, but just make this Better.

And I find that to be pretty good. And this is where I think fell tools like this Better. And I believe you concrete from wrong. I think they have actually made some twigs like that for a point.

too. Yeah IT seems like you can now prompt the system for to ask for more specific changes. This is something that i'm gg.

onna. Try and understand how IT works as we are doing the show. Now I up .

writing tools. This is described your change that H I stop the top. So previously you would just use the buttons and now now type enter prompt.

So here's a, here's a concept for you. Here's a concept for you.

Tell me.

I logged doubt of my italian up store account log in with my old existing U, S, apple, I, D. I can use apple intelligence.

So I .

requested access to image playground, which is a separate queue.

It's right OK and .

the apple intelligence is now downloading. That's what he says in settings um and I got writing tools in notes .

um i'm most assigning to ChatGPT. Oh look at this. This is what I wanted. You have an option to confirm ChatGPT requests.

Where do you get this?

So ChatGPT is in the apple intelligence like uh, settings. There is an option called extend apple intelligence in series is like a one of like halfway down the page.

I guess I don't because it's .

I got chat P, T, and I get an option, confirm ChatGPT request is turned on, so I will turn that off because I don't. I I wanted to get the information for me and i've signed in anyway, so IT will have my stuff because that's how you do this, because also at the bottom of writing tools. Now, IT says, compose, and that is what you can just strike up whatever you want, right?

Write me a message about this, you know, so I can be like, oh, here we go. I'm going to do this on a group chat who is federal for teacher. So i've just put that into into right into was an I O S. And composes a message which is working right now. Oh.

interesting. So i'm doing the set up for tog P T. And now a set up screen for tog P, T, and you can, you can say enable ChatGPT or option onal. This is not not highlighted by default. You can use tragic ity with an account.

Yeah, I said I signed in.

And to what benefit?

I don't know. When I don't know, I do think that there I think they did say something about this. There was some benefit to signing in, but I have an account.

So i've just signed in anyway. Maybe IT saves my questions. I don't. But like now I just sent this in our group thread.

I just said, who is federal cover teach? And I just gave me a ChatGPT answer. Strait up， compose from nothing, bill, is to basically anywhere in the system.

okay. So can you describe with two truths and one lie?

And mike early.

i've never .

thought to ask N A, I, A question in that way. That's hilarious to be like give you two years on a lie that's no.

unable to create content this time. No.

no lies. No, no, no lies.

No lies.

No lies. Again, this might be, stuff is downadup for you.

yeah. Yes, stuff is downloading.

I guess there's A A big asterisk to all of this conversation, which i'll say to you and the say like IT or hate, i'm using IT, right? Like I understand why people don't like IT. I I feel like I i've made IT very clear that I wished that have done things differently.

I wish that all of these services would have done things differently. But I considering these things exist, I am using them, and I want to see what they can do for me. And I have found many ways in my professional life that these tools to help me like today, to try and dig through, to get the answers in the dma stuff.

I was beginning my searches with ChatGPT and then going out to the links that was providing, because searching google was terrible, like any of these services that are attached to the internet, or Better search changes in google, like they just are, like, if this is the case for complexity, this is the case for ChatGPT. I know. How about they are? You know, like, I want them to pay the Price for the copyright lawsuits.

I want them to lose. I want them to have to pay because they have stolen stuff. But if we just ignore that for a second there, these are bad. A search change in google. I will. I not use german, I am sure like geminids is good, but I find IT easier to get what i'm looking for by asking these services then by google IT, because google that a straight google search is looking for the words i'm searching. But that isn't always going to get me the answer right.

Like having a level of understanding and interpreting and being able to do thousands of searches, right? However many searches is doing gets me the answers that I want and so anyway, but I I don't need to argue my point for now uh, siri, I like the U I, right right. But that's kind of IT.

It's going off. I'm sorry, I I knew that was gonna. En, because I was, I was way too forceful. H in the way. A the U, I is nice, but like is incredible, inconsistent and is still pushing me to the web. Now again, I am hoping that that is about to change of eighteen point two because I do believe some of the things that I ask, and it's like i'm going to go to the web for you, if IT just had that question to ChatGPT, I would get the answer I wanted.

And like my hope is now we point to which, again, I would not use in an enough detail that that is gonna a significant change in the usefulness of this assistance that you can ask IT complex questions and IT gives you an answer, rather than saying I searches on the way for you. I think that is going to be hugely beneficial, but I have to see here and goes something that is absolutely terrible. Is the smart replies messages? okay?

I don't understand whose messages they look at to try and understand these replies, because I have never once spoken the way these messages want me to speak like absolute psychology behavior, like IT says a bananas like, ha ha comma. That's funny explanation, mark. If I, if I send that message to anybody that knows me, they would think my phone had been stolen because I don't right like that.

I I believe my theory is this is just a theory. My theory ness is that this is the exact same system as like the predictive replies before. But they've just they've made IT look like couple intelligence because I can tell zero difference and and I feel like you have every message i've ever sent.

Put IT into I M that would be great, right? Just put IT into another one of that on device for me. You can make you just help me write my messages that would make my own uh uh, water correct data, right?

Because IT would be auto correcting in the way that I speak. Like that's what they, I hope they will do one day. Like why not you have I have given this device hundreds, I think a million I messages.

I think this .

one says that is, you have every way I would ever speak to someone like that is the true smart reply that's not just at that point is not just replying like giving me options on how to reply. That is like straight up. You know what I would say to this question, right?

It's kind of scary if you think about IT like you know how to fake me if you wanted to sure.

but I think it's fine as long as I am able to decide to send oh yeah right sure yeah. That you can just you can give me a response to this like you know me so help me because currently the smart replies which is already showing me they're no point in being there because there are zero use like the most i've ever done is tap one.

And then at which is like at this point, I as well just martti on to myself um males priority messages I don't find to be reliable or have any kind of design able pattern is to what is considered to be a priority message. This doesn't really seem to do anything. Um and then I think the last thing that I ve used is uh the memory stuff in photos.

Male just got the new design. And yeah i'm looking .

at IT now. Now that is an eighteen point two thing. Yes, look.

can't. No, I don't know.

Male cat agrees. I got primary transactions.

updates and promotions. That's what I have. No.

but big. I'm already confused by IT. I'm gonna cause, for example, I have one message that is in both transactions and primary.

So why no, why would and IT even has a little transaction to icon next to IT? Now why would they do the find the messages that matters or in primary and organize every I need to dig into that. But i'm excited about that featured in general because I like email.

All the email lap s do this. Like email should do this. Like I should not have to see receipts in my main in box.

You should know it's a receipt put IT somewhere else. So they ask, great. So looking forward that I mean. Looking ahead to eighteen point two right beyond. So chat you between integration and excited about because I see what I all about. I'm intreated about priority notifications, which I don't know if he's going to be a in point to um because i've been playing around with the reduced interruption tions focus mode. Uh, I think it's interesting.

I haven't i'm not using IT fully yet because i'm waiting until I install all the stuff on my mac too because I don't anna, be on a focus mode that one device can understand um even though weirdly one of my focus mode options on my mac is reduced in interruptions even though i'm not running point one like is doing its thing out there. But like I think that that could be interesting and I feel like I i've been using IT um on my protect my ipad I had IT on all the time and I think IT does do a decent job of of serving of staff. And so i'm intrigued to see how prior dentification works.

Um i'm genuinely horrified about image playgrounds like I just I I i've requested access and I have to wait. So this is that's probably gonna something we follow up on next week. Um I requested access immediately. Labor I don't have IT yeah and so i'm going to keep opening and closing until the ap odes done. Um we have visual intelligence which have which I I don't really understand what i'm supposed .

to do with this supposed walk around.

walk around the point stuff. Can you know when I tap this iphone, captures what's in view and sends the information to ChatGPT for information visual .

intelligence with camera control, learn about the objects and places around you, and get you more information about what you see.

Okay, so there's two buttons are, this is hilarious. So I just showed at my desk, which has a play day on IT. And IT says this image features the desks up of a game. Boy, advance. S P.

uh, for me it's searched for a poster. Yes, but I have and I said i'm gonna search with google, any provided google search results to similar products or i'm going to take the picture again and ask and the ask, but does nothing because I guess apple, an still downloading on my device yeah, but I can use half the things and the other half just doesn't work.

Is the thing the fact that I can, I hold my phone up to anything and ask, chat to pity, what is looking at, and then can follow up with questions? This could actually be pretty interesting.

I'm gonna point my phone at your profile .

picture of interesting.

I'm a search now is just finding pictures .

of computers. okay? Well, i'm time to you. I've taken up. I've taken just scand my picture. IT says this is a digital profile picture of a man with curly hair in a beard, said, against the warm coloured background, the use of viBrant hues suggested an attempt to convey an appropriate and friendly dema possibly use in social media or communication platforms.

Do you feel like that's a good description? Yeah what you're looking at yeah I think is that friendly and approve.

I'm going to press the search image button m which which doesn't reverse google image search, no results. So you know we do with our best here. I think that the google image search part is genuinely pointless.

Um I think that they just didn't want this to be the ChatGPT phone. Like what what is the use of a google of of us google image such like realistically like is that that compelling of a thing? I don't think so.

Like what to be fair, to be fair, doing reverse google image searches on mobile has always been kind of chAllenging OK. So now at the very least now you have a quicker way to get to those um but yeah I don't I mean, if obviously the real value is in the proper explanation, right? Yeah instead of just like here's some web results for you. Uh uh, so far when I wanted to do uh, google image searches, i've been using the google APP my phone.

Yes, I guess it's google lens really isn't IT. So I might be I might be giving a short shift there. But at the moment, every time I press the searching google, IT hasn't really gotten me much of what i'm looking for.

Okay, I just put a to a candle I have on my desk and and I immediately gave me the candle. So, okay, I can see some use for that. I see personally more use in the ChatGPT thing because you can kind of be like how one of you looking at here, you know, like how you would use on the right bands.

But again, I need, we need to spend more time with this. I mean the image playgrounds and the assume G M O G S part of that I don't have access to any that yeah so see. But um what i'll say is I just looking at what you've added here. Eighteen point two is significantly more interesting than eighteen point one.

I would agree with that.

There is a lot more in here and and I think a lot of IT is the ChatGPT stuff is on looking a bunch of functionality. Um they should i'm going to say that again, uh, they should await IT. They should await IT until the a package is whole thing together, point one and point two, and put that all out together.

They should appoint IT. The stage roll out, I feel like. And the whole strategy of pitching the new iphone says, built from the ground up with A I IT obviously comes from a place over, maybe not fear is the right word, but IT comes from a place of concern, right, of being left behind compared to the rest .

of the industry.

Yeah, years from now and maybe not even years from now, maybe even months from now, will look back and say, man, they should be they should have just to waited for like eighteen point one and eighteen point two together to tell a much more compelling story instead of rushing out of the door with eighteen point one and then following up quickly with eighteen point two um at the same time I also think this slow drip of A I features IT works in their favor from A P R perspective probably because they they remain in the cycle of the news. So there are pros to that approach, I think. Um and I just wanted to say something if you allow me before we wrap up sort of more of can I before .

because I know this is going to be over a good big point. I just want to say one last that i've noticed this is and I think is very smart, you I so now the a moi search field in the keyboard, so to describe an A M O J, right? So you will start typing the M J that you want and IT will search the M O J that's there. Or if is no result is, like, would you like to create A M O G um that is clever that .

is clever like a british .

man well it's not going .

to let you do IT because you .

riding motorbike .

we can create a but I think that is that .

that is very clever user experience to say anything um to combine those two things together. And there is also a specific button that you can press to just go straight into that mode. But I think that is gonna a way that a lot of people are going to discover that this feature exists. Um so I think that I think that's cool but anyway, take us home for A I just wanted .

to say something. I think a lot of people are under the impression that because I had opinions, this is circling back to what we SAT toward the the begin of the show because I had opinions months ago and I still do uh about how the training data was used for A I and just for apple intelligence but for all kinds other companies um that because of that opinion I will um bury my head under the sand for the next five years and never talk about ai that is not my plan.

That is not what I am going to do um I think people can hold multitudes of opinions. You know like you you you can think two things about something, about someone. And even though they are conflicting, you can still hold those two thoughts. And so um I think it's IT was important for me to take a particular stance uh regarding regarding training, regarding uh the danger of a eye for creative people.

I do believe I I still do believe there's real danger that we're seeing the stories every day, a real danger to the idea of enabling a whole generation of kids and Younger adults like us, you know, to just generate content without the help of a professional. That's something that I think at the same time, and again, that's one opinion at the same time, I also think the real value, using this technology with my data after my content, on my phone or on my ipad, to say, this is the text that I work in, notes, do something with IT. This is something like up in time, for example, coming out next year. These are the apps that amusing, uh, use my data to train your model, right, and help me out here, because I need to remember something that I don't remember. I think .

what we are .

witness, sing is so unlike anything. We have experiences as people who follow attack over the past fifteen years, right um and to to have one opinion and sort of heavy become your brand forever um is so dangerous right now, which is why I think, you know stopping because it's gonna get weird, right?

I'm gonna have opinions about A I and then i'm gonna use A I and it's all gonna happen in the same bucket of a person, you know, it's all gonna happen together um and it's okay I think it's okay. I I generally think it's okay to believe something about ai and take advantage of the things that work for you because the other reality is, and this is where i'm going to work pap, the the reality is, in the near future, this train ain stopping like this is this is happening. Like, would they? This keeps going like the like, IT or not.

This is what gonna happen realistically for the next few years. Does that mean I meet to you know just. Accepted, you know, shut up and accept things I yon like now, now. But IT also means, do I want na become irrelevant? Do I want na become the kind of person we just, you know, like I, everybody else is writing about A I, I don't care.

I'm gonna be writing about wired ear buds forever now IT does IT doesn't mean that IT means now more than in fact now more than never because of this technology we need people advocating for um for for the ethics of A I advocating for proper training practices. Now more than ever we need opinions. And you gotta play the game that that how i'm gonna set IT up, you gotta play the game if you want to change the game.

I agree with you. Like this is, I think this is i'm i'm actually very happy here you say this and I don't think you would I personally don't believe and I won't be people agree, but I don't believe that you would be able to make your point as effectively if you never use these things right. I think that I I do believe that there is a path I don't think i'm going to take IT, but there is a part to use nestles ethically like create news ethically. I thought apple wanna be that company right? Yeah but they .

want yeah um I see this comments into this cord um that I think is interesting and I want to address before we before we end the episode um um scary music by great username um I think vocally not talking about IT is an incredibly powerful stance if you don't approve of IT yes and no um because from from a from a if you look at this problem with with the end goal bean I want change or I want you know such as such result what is more effective to say oh yeah federal IT IT doesn't cover A I because he's politically against IT or is IT more effective if federico tries A I and says, oh look x and y company I can create an image of a ati with your tool like what is more effective to end up with a Better product because clearly as an individual right myself for maybe somebody else like me, obviously objectively almost, I would say I don't have the power in my hands. I don't think nobody does not, even in K, B, H, D, as I don't have the power to single handle, stop the entire tech industry from ship and A I right now, nobody does talk about IT.

If not change anything. If I don't talk about IT.

IT doesn't change anything. However, there is a small chance that if I do talk about IT and complain about the things that don't work, maybe that will have an effect.

You you're able to shift the course of the ship. You cannot drop the anchor. Yeah.

I like, look, individually, we are pretty much power less here. We are literally talking about corporations with trillions or hundreds of billions of dollars in cash reserves, like nobody cares about us from that point of view. Um so what are we gonna do?

Like are we going to just sit in silent and switch to linux? Uh, you know, become that person. We could do that.

Some people have dona I I the mostly looks I can get in my life is the steam deck. Um personally. Uh, or there's another way.

And the other way is get your multiple opinions in order because you're gonna need them. So that mistake, I don't know. I don't know.

I'm a working progress. Everybody is is working progress and and that's fine. If you were expecting your favorite content creator to be a fully formed person.

that's not the case. I just I think realistically, I mean, I feel like i'm going back to the same conversation that we had when this began, which is that like no one's going to be happy here and we just moving forward together yeah .

you know you .

listener will have different opinions to us on this scenario. We just all look to try and give each other bit a Grace, and we all just try to walk away through this new area, tech logy together. We've never been in something like this before.

So here are we're all just like move in forward, doing whatever IT is we're onna try to do. We're all just poking at the walls, whether there tiny walls or big walls. We're all just like we're trying to work out what we're comfortable with.

I don't think that people should be persecuted for those decisions like using ChatGPT is not a crime um maybe the way that the information was harvest there was a crime but like i'm not responsible for that crime uh and maybe there's ethical stuff in there yeah there is we all have our own n ethical lines of this. I just think that it's too difficult to paint of a broad brush and that we're all just want to what is altogether but next week will have more about IT and maybe some max too. yeah.

And by the way, I did try to request the description of and just IT stopped at tragi t or requesting additional details. So no.

ChatGPT can't catch me.

Charge pt doesn't to describe you or maybe or maybe you're so unique you cannot be described yeah you know, a description wouldn't hold the manifestation of my curly indeed.

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I do that too.

Jerry out.