How to Not Die in Silicon Valley
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I would like to start by learning a little bit about your morning routines. What is the most silicon valley thing about your morning routine? Zi, you go first. Pretty much the .

first thing I do IT depends on where I am in my tech detox cycle, either grab my phone and start sling, or I try to meditate. One of the two, do you use an optimization? Ate, yeah, I use inside time. Or sometimes .

that's pretty silent valley. learn. What about you?

I, I sometimes walk up the hill that I live on. That sounds like a song lyric, but sometimes I do that thing where I face east to try to get the natural sunlight as the day is rising, because that's the thing that a lot of health and wellness grows talk about. Not sure that so can bali either, but I hear this on podcasts. Yeah, what about you, mike?

I would say my sunrise alarm clock that glows at like six m every morning they just very slowly turns from like dark orange to uh, a soft sunlight tone. And it's really helpful when the time changes because for me, the sun always comes up at exactly the same time every morning. So IT helps me optimize my morning and you .

never over sleep. No.

IT always wakes me up. It's kind of amazing. I have hacked my brain into waking up with IT and you said.

optimize and hacks. So you're the most silicon on valley of a all.

This is why its uncanny valley, a show about the people, power and influence of silicon valley. I'm Michael glory, director of consumer tech and culture here a wired.

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today on the show, why are millionaires and billionaire in silicon valley so obsessed with living forever? We look at the ceos and the venture capitalists going all in on the race to be death. They're hacking their bodies.

We're hacking their diets. They're trying to look and feel Younger and live longer. So we ask, what does that mean for the rest of us?

We're going to start today with one of the most over silicon valley characters trying to beat death. And that is brian Johnson. Brian with A Y, Johnson with A J. So we hear the expert here who is brian Johnson.

He's certainly not a household name, but he is kind of the most prominent player in this space right now. He grew up morman and founded the payment is processing company brain tree. And he ends up stepping down A C.

O. But then braintree goes on to be acquired by paypal for like eight hundred million dollars, and john walks away with about three of four hundred million. So not bad.

But during this time period, he realizes that he's pretty unhealthy, and he takes stock of his life and feels like kind of depressed. He struggled with his weight as a kid, too. And so he becomes pretty obser ssed with, like health, wellness, fitness. And eventually this leads to him session with longevity, and specifically with living forever.

In the twenty first century, the only objective we have don't die.

This leads us up to today where he's spending, he says, around two million dollars a year on efforts to live forever. And the efforts are slightly out. The ambushed little crazy sunday. And he's doing blood plasma exchanges with his seventeen year old son, his blood boy. He's taking around one hundred supplements a day. He's engaging in penis shock therapy, which is pretty much sounds like, unfortunately, and it's all under up into this blue print plan, which he called an algorithm that can take Better care of his visit than he can himself. And mike could be yours three hundred and thirty three dollars a month plus, say, one time sign up for and not sponsor.

So I love how you said, um you know penis shock therapy exactly what it's like well, what is this why i'm so sorry .

to have to do this to you? I mean, he's says he's trying to increase the time of his nighttime erections um and he also claimed but IT has worked and his deck feels fifty years Younger so I guess we can take .

a word for IT I think thanks for listening .

to this podcast for where does this work all to go to a cold as shower .

so I have to admit, in preparation for the episode, I went down the youtube grab IT hole watching some of his videos. So I know he also stayed up very late one night reading his book, which is called don't die. But I say he knows how to capture an audience with these strange videos about his diet and his blood plasm exchanges, other bizarre therapies like he comes across as as pretty disarming in these videos.

The only thing we can play is don't die, don't kill each other, don't rule in our biosphere, don't rule in plant earth, and don't address me aligning with a eye.

This is marine Johnson being interviewed on the podcast, the diary of a CEO.

We have to figure out how all intelligence on this planet CoOperates, humans and the planet artifical. Intelligence is this big tapestry of goal limit of CoOperation.

I think the big question we have is how much of this is.

is bunk. Well, you know, there's a long history in silicon valley of trying to pro long life and bio hack way towards longevity and fitness, I guess, is probably the best way to put IT. But what are we talking about when we talk about, quote, quote, silicon valley trying to live longer?

Yeah, this goes back longer before bright Johnson. Like a lot of the trends that we see in the valley. You know, I think some of the stems from google or googlers google has been investing in anti aging research since at least twenty thirteen.

IT started the secret project called calo that was once referred to as the bell labs of aging research. That research reportedly didn't make much progress. But then google also form something called verely which was supposed to um help her understanding and detection of diseases and is also a circuit brin who is one of the google cofounder ers.

He is also kind of personally obsessed with these topics because at one point he learned he has a genetic mutation that puts them at a higher risk for parkinson's disease. And he also used to be married to end with ger ski, the founder of twenty three, and me, which played a big part in his genetic testing process. But I think we should also just make a quick distinction.

As we're talking about all these trends, there's a distinction between investors putting money into combating disease and then becoming with anti aging and living forever because the two are related. But aging is not considered a disease. It's it's a natural process. Just to quickly go back to that earlier point, like these people may also be cold, plunging or taking human growth hormones, or have a quote, blood boys, but a lot of their financial interests lie in disease prevention.

right? okay. So if we separate those two things into buckets, and we put the stuff that benefits you society as a whole in one bucket, and then we put all the stuff that is like, i'm Richard and I want to live forever in the other bucket, what are we talking about in that bucket? What are some of the experiments and companies that we have our eyes on?

It's not only clear what the distinction is in a lot of these cases because some of these efforts are just so far fetch that we haven't even seen what bucket they fall into yet. I think jeff basis is a good example here. He's funding altos slabs, the company pursuing biological reprogramming technology, which is a way to y juveniles cells and could be used to extend the lives of humans eventually. That seems like one .

to keep our eyes on. Then there's also Peter teel, who I think is going to come up every so often on this podcast. So tel is planning to use something called the alcoa life extension.

I had to write that on them, reading from IT to freeze his corpse after he dies. H, so that he can be revived later on. Disy did disney that.

yeah, this is.

ohh, my god. god. good. Once again, thank you for listening .

to this or but the rics .

mother jone's article that said that a fuel team from a contractor was gonna soop in in and replace till blood with anticoagulant the chemical and then he was going to be paca ized and transferred in all of this stuff. So this is firmly in the long gev. Would you call a long device if you're dying?

And then how would quality bucking national lightning? Can you have anything career than having to live through one lifetime of Peter till? And then he dies, then he's resurrected and come, oh my god, at that point they certainly don't react me. I've lived through once, so I will do IT again.

So let me this cause that was so we said about some of these are very they're outlandish. Some of these people are channeling their efforts into into their offspring to, right? So we talk about that.

Yeah, I think it's kind of like if if you yourself can't live forever than like, certainly your bloodline must live on. And one of these people sammon, and you know, this is an interesting investment, he is poured money into a biotech company called conception, which is basically trying to see if you can create, like, human egg cells from stem cells. So in theory, this would mean that two men would be able to appropriate.

right also T V D, with an our new incoming administration as to whether or not such advanced reproductive options will be available to people. We also to talk about org in that vein because that's a company that's been getting some attention here in silicon valley.

And in fact, at wired, we did a big interview with the founder of arcade nor cdk I um so he started this genetic testing company that has marketed the ability for customers to do some really advanced screening on embrace twenty three years. And giz ki has invested in the company. So has brian armstrong, the C E O of queen base, and then reportedly elon musk and chivo sillas, who is a former neurolinguistic tive who then became a parent to elon mosques.

A how many children's? I believe three, we believe three parents. They used orkid. That's been a little bit controversial because of the level of testing that IT is suppose to be.

There is the opportunity for to do extensive testing on things like neurodegeneration tal disorders, uh, severe obesity, certain psychiatric conditions. And so the ideas wouldn't IT be create for parents to have access to more information about the health of their embryos. But I could evolve quickly into something that feels a lot like you, janice.

Yeah so interesting too because I feel like there's such a assumption backed into that type of testing on what makes a good life not to get to a ot on our podcast but like IT really is the assumption that being kind of con quite like healthy and Normal in a traditional sense, is really important to like to lead the best life possible. And and just not personally convinced that at the case .

and what are also potentially dozens were talking about life span means that you are innocence dicing with the potential life span of your future child will be here. You're playing god.

We have just gone over what all of the millionaires and the billionaire are doing, what they're investing in, what they're interested in. What about the scientists, who are the scientists in silicon valley who are really at the forefront of this longing vedy movement?

Do you mean scientists or podcasts ers for and .

how here you and I guess .

seen there's some overblown here. Yes, you're say.

yes. We have come to the point in the episode where I gliff ly get to talk about Andrew. He reme, who's a neuroscientist, turned the podcast host, has a very popular pocket called the human man lab podcast.

Basically, his podcast kind of focuses on wellness hacks, science wellness hax, things like called punches, different supplements to take, mindful dance techniques, things that are intended to increase people's overall well being. And he's become kind of a celebrity in his own right. And the subject of some reporting which learn, I know you have some thoughts on.

yes. So there was this feature article in york magazine earlier this year that had some revelations about Andrew huberman s personal life, mostly that he was dating multiple women at once who were not aware of each other, and many of them felt harmed by that experience. He was also using very theri zed language with them to sort of show when an evolved man he was. The most interesting part was that despite the fact that his podcasting is called huberman lab, and he is in fact, a neuroscientist working at stanford university, he was living in southern california, and the article suggested that his lab might not even be a very active lab.

So have all of these revelations changed how you feel about him?

There's my opinion and then i'll just say that I think that his fans still really generally like huberman. But yes, what do you make of IT? Because I know that you were on the huberman train for a while. You really cold plunging and stuff.

I mean, i'm not gonna call you out for staring up the sun every morning, but I will say that a classic human, I mean, for sure, face east. Does Andrew huberman speak for a touch grass? Like that's a huge thing that he promotes. I mean, I I did get on the train and I really, honestly liked his podcast, and also someone who like, really like a good wellness. Huck, I have a cold plunge in assa in my backyard so so fed to say that I A huberman had, if you will, I did stop listening to the podcast around the time of my IT came out IT IT was a little hard to to stomach after that.

If you're doing the under huberman stuff like cold plunges and facing east and taking care of yourself, actually like maybe you know eating Better, making Better decisions around sleep, using technology or using sort of biohacking methods to optimize the host things, that's not necessarily bad because that is that's like those can grow in a good habits, can be things that feel sustainable. It's the other stuff that we have to be more critical about, like the efforts to live forever that do not feel sustainable.

Yeah to mix point, there's also this interesting distinction, unlike are you making small weeks that might be uncomfortable at the moment like a cold plunge can be uncomfortable, but they make your current life more enjoyable of more energy right now? Or are you really like delaying gratification all together on the hopes that you can live forever? Because like that, to me, doesn't sound like a life i'd want to live. A kind of is banking on this idea that he'll live in perpetuity, ity, and maybe later he can more fun. And i'm gonna .

out on a lime here and say that we are not deluding ourselves either when we make these small tweak to our lifestyles or our habits and or try to live a healthy life. We're not also thinking, oh, i'm gna live forever or even going to live to be a hundred. We're fully aware of the reality of of where we're headed and we're not such power amongst that.

We think we can control IT. And that's to me why brian Johnson is so fascinating because, you know, part of his script is trying to make his day to day life Better. But also a part of a script is immortality. He wants to live forever. It's like he's attacking the problem from both sides.

I mean, didn't he literally host ers called don't die?

Yeah, the dinners are really interesting. Cross over between the test and the hollywood lead. Kim kardashian was actually at one of the dinner recently, as was Andrew huberman hilariously at the dinners. In addition to talking about kind of the outlying dish on geddy technique support, Johnson is trying. He also poses this question, he says, to his gas. And the question is, if you add access to an algorithm that could give you the best physical, mental and spiritual health if you're entire life, but in exchange for access to that algorithm, i'd have to go to bed when I said exercise when I said, presumably what I said, would you say, yeah, now and then everyone goes around, what gives their answer?

Would you say that .

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thought so that so many you .

get a good true, there's a whole other segment to come, folks. True, the story. I I know someone who went to one of those dinners and they said that afterwards they had to eat a cheese burker oh my god s .

because they weren't satisfied with the dessert that's made with half of a brazil a i'm shocked. Yes.

yes. It's like on those rare occasions, maybe when one of us goes to a nice work dinner and then they're self conscious, staring IT or there they're feeding more souls that after ward, you go home and really one of dance, okay.

we need to take a break. But when we come back, we're going to keep talking about why silicon valley is so obsessive, living forever. And we are going to ask each other they don't die dinner question.

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Welcome back to uncanny valley, all right. To get back into IT, I want to pretend that the three of us are at one of brian Johnsons don't die genres. And he turns to us with those ever lasting blue eyes.

He asks, if you had access to an algorithm that can give you the best physical, mental and spiritual health of your life, but in exchange for access city algorithm, i'd have to go to bed when I said you'd have to exercise the way that I said you have to eat. What I said, would you say yes or would you say no? Laun.

I have a very serious follow question. Would this be the threads algorithm .

you just always have, just need in shade for throw?

No, because this is all about control, right? It's it's excessive control over a mind and body to achieve an outcome of quote and quote living forever, which is not actually a guaranteed outcome and also like way to live your life.

Yet control is really interesting because honestly, IT was a big part of the critique around Andrew hero man that was cited in the york magazine article. Basically, the allegation was that he was trying to control the woman that he dated. He was being pretty controlling of their behavior and what they did, but does seem like the mindset starts to spill over a little bit into other areas of your life and other people's lives.

What do you think that we what are your thoughts on the algorithm guiding your life?

Yeah, I went. Learn on this. I think there's like a lot of joy to be had and occasionally staying up too late maybe. And by being a substance or two that you know make you feel like trash the next day I kind of live in, what about you make?

I'm fully on board with both of you. I would say no, absolutely not. But I feel like if you're in that situation, you you said no, then like the host and the other people around the table who feel the same way, the host would chAllenge you on IT.

And you would have to come up with this idea of like individuality being important. And I want to be able to make my own choices. And I am an autonomists human being in the world, right? Which is weird because you are accepting by by saying yes to that question, by saying yes, i'm surrendering to this algorithm is going to optimize me.

You are basically like reducing your ego in order to do so. Where is if you are saying, no, I want to make my decisions, I want to be autonomists than you are expressing your ego, right? Your, your, your ego is expanding to fill that.

I do not feel actually agree with that OK. I think that if you surrender yourself to what your body, some elements of your environment, what your life path holds for you, you're not living according to an algorithm, then I think that demonstrates less. Eo.

yeah, that's interesting. Um and that actually gets to the point that that i'm trying to work to, which is that all of these efforts to extend your life and to live forever and to use your resources to Better your own life feels like they're driven by ego uh, can we talk about the ego of IT all? Can we talk about like what is IT particularly about these folks and how they live their lives and why they want to live forever? I mean.

there's no doubt that there's ego behind this. I think that some of these entrepreneurs present what they're doing is altruistic, like if I can hack this or solve this for myself, and that's Better for humanity.

But why do they believe they are the people who should be able to live forever? We mentioned in with ski in twenty three and me earlier and I remembered that um when I interviewed her for another podcast back in twenty seventeen, I asked some version of this question like why is silicon valley so obsessed hacking death and he said, look, I think the reality is just that death is the reality for us and he acknowledged that some of her peers might be unhappy with that statement but you know, IT seems pretty grounded in reality and SHE said, i'm reading now, what everyone can agree on is that there are genes, and then there's their environment. Your genes, dictator, certain element, but you have huge variability ties in their environment.

So if we can understand what variables are important, then maybe you can know, optimize those. But like at the end of the day, we're all gonna die, right? So IT does, I think, go back to control. But maybe we should be focusing on somewhat reasonably controlling the things that we actually can, like certain elements of our environment and lifestyle, and then seek out advancements and treatments that help targets are in diseases versus attempting to control whether or not you can you freeze your body and revive yourself later on, or to be one hundred and fifty years old.

right? And again, there's that bridge between making yourself healthier in the day to day, and then actually trying to extend your life beyond what your genes and your environment would naturally dictate.

yes. And I think that there's a certain hubris that comes with believing that um you know that a non biologists could come along and of something in a time frame that also results in a good R I for their investors.

Yeah I do feel like we need to talk about the fact that many of the people that we're talking about, our men who are in this camp of I wanted live forever, right? We went through the whole list in the first segment and IT was IT was all just wasn't IT.

yeah. I mean, there are women involved. I don't want to use them from this history because and widget ski, who lorn was just talking about, is kind of in related space.

A had an attorney and most recently, ark s running twenty for a presidential campaign, has been very interested in longevity efforts for years. In years, north sidique, the founder of org, is another one of them. But yeah, I mean, the loudest people in the space on the ones engaging in the most outlander sh experience they do seem to be predominantly meant.

is also lives with homes. But we know how .

that turned out, right? The founder of theirs, a medical diagnostic company that famously went under for fraud. Yep.

and that's where the the move fast break things ethos really goes wrong here. I mean, at the same time that some of the point of silicon valley getting involved in health and disease prevention and lung travel, like some of these entrepreneurs believe that they can speed up the drug development and testing process in a way that sometimes actually as positive.

So what happens when you bring the concept of altruism to this, this idea that people working to live longer make an impact on the world for the Better? Like you said earlier, we have people who are trying to live ever, and then people who are spending their money on their resources trying to come up with new medical technology that is going to improve life for millions of people.

Did notice that you left out the effective from altruism there. But IT actually did make me think of that because one of the questions that effective ultras ask themselves, when they are not S B F asking, how do I engage in widespread fraud, is what this money that i'm going to put is, whatever experiments start up, mu name IT be Better spent on malaria nets, which is solving like a very basic problem that affects a lot of people, and it's not necessarily sexy. But the solution is right there in front of us.

And that's kind of the interesting thing, because there are problems related to health and wellness and longevity that affect millions of people like diabetes. But maybe it's not as sexy to solve as trying to tackle longevity and living forever. And so that one seems to get a lot of the attention and a lot of the funding these days.

It's the moon shot is the most shot.

I have to say, guys, I really do love this episode like IT has everything we're talking about, blood boy injections, mosquito nets to prevent malaria, effective altero ism, generally freezing your body and waking yourself up centuries later. Brian Johnson s weird life hacks, which, honestly, some of them sounds intreating to me, like maybe I should get P R P treatment in my under my bag.

And what else? What are we missing for journalism? The manos sphere? Don't get about the manufacture here.

There's one big topic that we have not touched on yet.

Ponatah ism, you're going there. Please go. Now.

I was going to say, A I. Artificial .

intelligence .

ilc valley. I'm sure all of these companies that we've talked about and all of these people who are pursuing these big problems are using artificial intelligence in some way, right?

Yeah, this is I mean, this has a wide range too because there's artificial intelligence to try to identify and target diseases, which seems like an incredibly valid use case for this amazing technology. And then I think there is also the far end of the spectrum of people who are like, i'm going to upload my brain to the cloud and create an a version of IT and thereby extending my life, I shall live forever.

IT is a little bit of main character syndrome to think that maybe your brain should be uploaded for people to access for all of eternity. My theory on that is we're already uploading all of our brains to the internet, all of us every time we log in, make a keystroke, share something to social media. We've been doing up for decades now. They're already A I effects similies .

of each of us yeah that is that all end to end encysted.

including the metadata.

Sadly.

it's a very good point. So who's that all for all these efforts to live longer, to preserve your life, to live to be over one hundred? Who is IT serving and for what purpose?

Right now, IT seems like it's kind of about being the person who solves this unsolvable problem. And some of the solutions, like figuring out how to grow an egg cells from stem cells, could benefit many people. But if we were talking about the longevity efforts, IT seems very clearly to at least mostly serve the individual engaging in those efforts for the moment.

I do think that there are a lot of smart people, well resource people who are probably making amazing efforts around targeting diseases, improving global maternal health, for example, a lot of health and and wellness issues. I just think it's the loud in bizarre ones. The outlandish ones tend to get the attention.

And the most expensive one may. This is one of those scenarios where all of the technologies to extend your life ten years cost a billion dollars or a hundred million dollars right now like her treatment. But in fifty years it'll be, you know, forty nine, ninety nine. Go get a shot at the cvs and you can live in another ten years.

Cbs, at that time, is just one giant global pharmacy. There are no of the pharmacies in the world. Good luck with that.

And you're shot as administer by drone. May we all live long enough to see this future? We need to take another quick break. We'll be right back.

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Welcome back to on Kenny valley. So we realized that this whole conversation has been rather speculative and forward looking. Some of them has been very silly. A lot of IT may feel out of reach, but if you're interested in this topic, there is a lot of stuff out there that we can point you to. So we're going to give you our recommendations for our favorite pieces of media books, podcasts at seta about longevity.

So he okay. So my first recommendation kind of does fall within the manos here, human men, uh, universe and it's outlive, which is a book by Peter otia who's a physician and author who's really focused on increasing your health span rather than just your lifespan.

Honestly, I really did like a lot of the recommendations in his book, primarily because there's somewhat basic, although he is encouraging people to eat a little healthier and work out more than we might be doing right now. It's not for the masses. And the other person is jennie out, who wrote the book how to do nothing, which in my mind is kind of the textbook on how to live a good life right now with the resources that we all have.

Those are both great recommendations.

okay. Laun your turn.

So i'm going to recommend the blue zones. I know that this is kind of annic data or has been called as much and that we're not all going to live to be one hundred when the blue zones focuses on centenarians. So the data that the researchers are looking at has traditionally been very small now, many people around the world to be one hundred years old. But I I still find IT fascinating. And i'm shocked by how frequently the blue ones still comes up in conversations, even though this research has been going on now for like, over fifteen years.

What are some of the famous blue zones around the world?

Kara, greece is one of them are italy oka, japan naqua castoria.

And then I I wanted live in all of this place is .

mydas california is .

the idea that it's about their diet .

or with everything lifestyle, community diet um of course, these people grew up in a completely different era, you know like pretechnology. But community is a big part of this too, because there are consistencies in diet across the blue zones. But one thing that all of them share is constant movement and a sense of community.

So were asking our boss that really directly for journalism, please pay for learns under eye treatment and send us all degrees. Yes, are we? And we absolutely .

need to go to a greek islands to record out of the podcast.

We need to make sure we form a solid community community.

right? Which is clearly what bryan Johnson is just trying to do with his don't die dinner's.

Okay, mike, what about you? What's your recommendation for us today?

Well, if you wanted live forever, it's very simple. You've got ta go vegan. You just you gotta stop eating the meat protein and started eating the plant protein.

Like we feel targeted. You know that we are legitimacy, cling around this. I'm trying to do IT.

So you had become pizon the other night. You said I was so good. I did, I did.

And I read a really, really scary article. Invite any Lorry in the atlantic about dairy farming. And IT rodliff me for least twenty four hours. I was on, vote them. Do I want to try my one?

We've been beaten for now.

but I don't know. Eight hundred years.

nice are resident, the long living man on this show. I've been fully .

vegan for about five years, and i've been vegetation over since I was a teenager. So but look, I mean as a lifelong IT hearings to a like plant based lifestyle, I know IT does not work for everybody so that was more of a joke. Um what i'm actually going to recommend for all of our listeners is my favorite television programme about immortality. It's called true blood. It's an H, B, O, show about vampire in the self .

is a doctor about the original black.

It's fantastic. True story, true story. No script IT, yes.

it's can be which is the best thing about IT because IT takes itself seriously most of the time and then IT is not uh IT is full of sex and violence and humor and h it's a lot of fun. Fantastic acting from all of the principal actors and there are like a dozen people on the show who are really, really great. So um highly recommend you go back and you watch uh true blood IT was originally on television, what fifteen years ago, something like that feels like forever ago.

You know, I love the most about this recommendation is that IT enables me to Carry one of my favorite phrases from our last podcast, gadgets lab, onto this one, which is, love a good scars guard.

love a good scars ds.

Long type listers will .

appreciate this is the the tall and handsome Alexander scarf as a vampire.

as a sexy .

vampire empire named. So that's what I got.

thanks. We're breaking the mold, mike.

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