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Not To Get Political…

2024/12/30
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Cris deRitis
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Justin Begley
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Marisa DiNatale
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Marissa DiNatale
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Mark Zandi
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@Marissa DiNatale : 作为经济学家,她认为许多科技公司难以找到所需的熟练劳工,经常需要从国外招聘,如果这种从国外临时引进熟练劳工的行为有助于经济增长,那么就应该这样做。 她认为,从经济学角度来看,应该根据劳动力市场的供需关系来决定是否应该引进外国劳工。如果国内没有足够的熟练劳工来满足科技行业的需求,那么引进外国劳工可以帮助经济增长。 她支持引进高技能移民,认为这有助于解决科技行业的人才短缺问题,并促进经济增长。 @Justin Begley : 他认为MAGA阵营认为美国有足够的劳动力来填补这些高技能工作岗位的论点缺乏证据支持,并且美国,尤其是在考虑到美国的人口结构轨迹后,可能正走向劳动力短缺。 他认为,目前没有足够的证据表明美国有足够的劳动力来满足科技行业对高技能工人的需求。引进外国劳工不会对美国工人的工资造成负面影响。 他还认为,应该改革H-1B签证制度,堵住漏洞,以确保其公平公正地运作。 @Cris deRitis : 他认为鉴于美国的人口结构趋势(出生率下降),某些行业存在劳动力短缺,并且这种短缺还会加剧,因此增加合法移民,特别是高技能工人,是不容置疑的。 他认为,增加合法移民,特别是高技能工人,是应对美国劳动力短缺问题的必要措施。这不仅可以满足某些行业的劳动力需求,还可以促进经济增长。 他还指出,许多科技公司都是由移民创办的,限制高技能移民的进入可能会适得其反。 @Mark Zandi : 他总结了小组成员的观点,并表示他们都同意应该增加H-1B签证的数量。 他指出,小组成员都同意增加H-1B签证的数量,以满足科技行业对高技能工人的需求,并促进经济增长。 他还提到,他曾在共和党竞选活动中工作过,这表明他的观点并非出于政治偏见。

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What is the H-1B visa debate about, and what are the key arguments from both sides?

The H-1B visa debate centers on whether the U.S. should allow more skilled foreign workers into the country. The 'MAGA right' argues that there are enough American workers to fill high-skill jobs and that H-1B visas depress wages. The 'tech right,' led by figures like Elon Musk, argues that the U.S. needs skilled immigrants to fill labor shortages, especially in tech, to support economic growth.

What is the current cap on H-1B visas, and how does it impact the U.S. labor market?

The current cap on H-1B visas is 65,000, with an additional 20,000 for those with advanced degrees. This cap is seen as insufficient by many in the tech industry, who argue that the U.S. faces a labor shortage in skilled industries, particularly given the country's demographic trends and the need for workers to support programs like Social Security and Medicare.

What is the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), and what are its goals?

The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) aims to reduce government spending and increase efficiency through regulatory rescissions, administrative reductions, and cost savings. It focuses on using executive actions based on existing legislation rather than creating new laws. The goal is to streamline government operations and reduce costs, particularly in non-defense discretionary spending.

What are the potential economic impacts of reducing government regulation?

Reducing government regulation could theoretically lower operating costs for businesses by reducing compliance burdens, potentially leading to increased productivity and economic growth. However, the immediate macroeconomic impact is likely to be minimal, as regulatory changes often take years to manifest in broader economic performance. Additionally, some regulations provide significant benefits, such as environmental protections, which must be weighed against the costs.

What is the current state of Bitcoin, and how does it relate to the debate on cryptocurrency regulation?

Bitcoin's price has dropped by 15.5% since its post-election peak in December 2023, highlighting its volatility. The debate on cryptocurrency regulation centers on whether increased regulation could stabilize the market or stifle innovation. The Trump administration is expected to take a more deregulatory approach, which could lead to further volatility but also potentially greater growth in the crypto sector.

What is the estimated cost of federal regulations in 2024, and how is it calculated?

The estimated cost of federal regulations in 2024 is $1.4 trillion, according to the American Action Forum. This figure is calculated by aggregating the cost estimates of various regulations published in the Federal Register. However, this calculation only considers the costs and does not account for the potential benefits of regulations, such as environmental or health improvements.

What is the role of antitrust policy in the U.S. economy, and how might it change under a new administration?

Antitrust policy aims to prevent anti-competitive practices by large companies, which can stifle innovation, raise prices, and reduce wages. Under the Biden administration, antitrust enforcement has been more aggressive, particularly in tech and banking. A new administration might take a more lenient approach, allowing more mergers and acquisitions, which could lead to increased concentration in certain industries but may also support global competitiveness.

What is the current state of federal government employment, and how has it changed over time?

Federal government employment currently stands at around 3 million, which is about 2% of total U.S. employment. This share has been steadily declining over the past 50 years, even as compensation for federal employees has increased by about 40% since 2000. Efforts to reduce federal payrolls, such as through remote work policies, are unlikely to significantly impact overall government spending or economic growth.

What is the potential impact of deregulation on the energy sector, particularly oil production?

Deregulation in the energy sector could theoretically encourage more investment in oil production, particularly in the long term. However, current U.S. oil production is already at record highs, with frackers producing 13.5 million barrels per day. The primary driver of investment in oil production is price, not regulation, so significant changes in oil output are unlikely without a corresponding shift in market conditions.

What is the current sentiment among small businesses regarding regulation, and how has it changed?

Only 8% of small businesses currently cite regulation as their top concern, according to a survey by the National Federation of Independent Business. This is down from a peak of nearly 25% during the Clinton administration. The primary concerns for small businesses now are labor costs, labor quality, and inflation, suggesting that regulation is less of a pressing issue for most businesses today.

Chapters
The podcast begins with the hosts sharing their holiday experiences, including a long car trip with multiple pit stops and a visit to a "Bucky's", a large gas station convenience store in the Southeast US. They discuss the differences between Bucky's and Wawa.
  • Hosts share personal holiday travel anecdotes.
  • Discussion of regional convenience store chains (Bucky's vs. Wawa).

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In the last Inside Economics podcast of the year, the team is joined by our colleague Justin Begley to discuss the incoming Trump administration’s seeming view that smaller government means stronger economic growth. Will the new government agency DOGE, a more relaxed anti-trust policy, and lighter regulation successfully lift the economy’s prospects?  A potentially politically charged question the team works to tackle analytically. How did we do?  And Happy New Year! 

Hosts: Mark Zandi – Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, Cris deRitis – Deputy Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, and Marisa DiNatale – Senior Director - Head of Global Forecasting, Moody’s Analytics

Follow Mark Zandi on 'X' and BlueSky @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis on LinkedIn, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn