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Deep Dive Into The Matrix

2025/1/3
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@Mark Zandi : 2024年美国经济增长超出预期,主要原因是劳动力供应增加和生产力提高。 关税和遣返政策将导致通货膨胀上升,经济增长放缓。 美联储的政策存在不确定性,可能在年初降息一次,然后暂停,并在年底再次降息,也可能全年不降息。 债券市场脆弱,存在崩盘风险,这将对股票市场和房地产市场产生重大影响。 高收入家庭的消费支出对经济增长至关重要,如果股市下跌,他们的消费支出可能会减少。 达成一项全面的移民协议将对经济产生积极影响。 @Marisa DiNatale : 2024年美国经济表现优于预期,2025年经济增长将放缓至2%左右。 通货膨胀将在春季达到美联储2%的目标,但随后由于关税政策等因素而上升。 美联储今年的降息次数将减少,预计只降息两次,每次25个基点。 就业市场将放缓,新增就业岗位数量减少,失业率将保持相对稳定,但由于移民政策的收紧,劳动力市场将趋紧,导致工资上涨。 股票价格预计将持平,国际移民数量将大幅下降。 对网络攻击和全球大流行的担忧日益增加,这些风险难以预测和量化。 @Cris deRitis : 房地产市场将保持平稳,房价增长缓慢,库存增加,房屋销售增长放缓。 股票市场估值过高,存在回调风险,这可能会影响高收入家庭的消费支出。 加密货币市场存在崩盘风险,但其对整体经济的影响有限。 全球紧张局势加剧,恐怖主义事件的可能性增加。 能源价格,特别是天然气价格,存在上涨风险,这可能会加剧通货膨胀。

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What was the U.S. GDP growth in 2024, and how did it compare to the forecast a year ago?

The U.S. GDP growth in 2024 is expected to come in around 3%, which is higher than the 2% forecast from a year ago.

Why is the potential growth rate of the U.S. economy expected to slow in 2025?

The potential growth rate of the U.S. economy is expected to slow in 2025 due to reduced immigration and potentially lower productivity growth. The incoming administration's policies on tariffs and deportation are expected to impact the labor force and innovation.

What are the main risks to the U.S. economy in 2025 according to the Risk Matrix?

The main risks to the U.S. economy in 2025 include a bond market meltdown, a stock market sell-off, and amorphous risks like cyber attacks and another global pandemic. These risks are considered high in both severity and probability.

Why are low-income household financial distress and a bond market meltdown considered high risks in the matrix?

Low-income household financial distress is considered a high risk due to high debt levels and difficulty coping with inflation. A bond market meltdown is high-risk due to the market's fragility, high volatility, and the shift in ownership from central banks to more price-sensitive investors like hedge funds.

What is the current forecast for U.S. inflation in 2025, and how might tariffs affect it?

The forecast for U.S. inflation in 2025 is that it will rise from the Fed's 2% target, peaking in the back half of the year and continuing into mid-2026. Tariffs are expected to contribute to higher inflation by increasing costs for goods and services.

What is the expected impact of a significant cyber attack on the U.S. economy?

A significant cyber attack, especially one that disrupts the payment system or hits multiple smaller banks, could lead to reduced consumer confidence, economic dislocation, and broader macroeconomic issues. It could also cause people to move their deposits to larger banks, creating liquidity issues.

What is the forecast for U.S. natural gas prices, and why is this a concern?

U.S. natural gas prices are forecast to be volatile due to the closure of the pipeline from Russia to Europe and the current cold snap. Natural gas prices have already risen 14% over the last month and 36% over the last year, which could contribute to inflationary pressures.

What is the trailing P/E ratio for the S&P 500, and why is it a concern?

The trailing P/E ratio for the S&P 500 is 26, which is very high and only exceeded by 2020. This indicates that the stock market is stretched and vulnerable to any negative economic news or disappointments from leading companies.

What is a potential serious surprise for 2025, and why might it happen?

A serious surprise for 2025 could be the Fed raising interest rates. This could occur if high inflation becomes more persistent and is not offset by slower growth, leading to a need for monetary tightening to control inflation.

What is the upside risk for the U.S. economy in 2025, and why is it significant?

The upside risk is a comprehensive immigration deal, which could significantly benefit the economy by providing a rational immigration system, increasing the labor force, and boosting long-term potential growth.

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The U.S. economy in 2024 exceeded expectations with 3% GDP growth and decreasing inflation. The forecast for 2025 predicts slightly lower growth (around 2%) and a potential rise in inflation due to new tariffs. The Federal Reserve's monetary policy response is uncertain, with potential rate cuts debated.
  • 2024 GDP growth: ~3%
  • 2025 GDP growth forecast: ~2%
  • Inflation expected to decrease initially, then rise due to tariffs
  • Fed to possibly cut interest rates twice in 2025

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On the first podcast of 2025, the Inside Economics crew discusses the outlook for the year ahead and delves into the Risk Matrix, a visual depiction of the major risks facing the global economy.  Mark, Cris and Marisa each pick a risk to highlight and then give their wildest predictions for 2025, some of which are not very serious. 

To view the Risk Matrix, click here

Hosts: Mark Zandi – Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, Cris deRitis – Deputy Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, and Marisa DiNatale – Senior Director - Head of Global Forecasting, Moody’s Analytics

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