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Team Favorite At the Money: Optimizing Personal Health in Finance

2025/3/12
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Barry Ritholtz
知名投资策略师和媒体人物,现任里特尔茨财富管理公司董事长和首席投资官。
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Phil Perlman
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@Barry Ritholtz : 我主持的节目讨论了华尔街如何利用个人健康来获得竞争优势。我们探讨了‘健身阿尔法’的概念,以及如何通过改善健康状况来提升投资表现。 @Phil Perlman :‘健身阿尔法’是一种通过提升个人健康来获得超越基准的回报的模式。更好的健康状况能提升压力耐受力、情绪调节和控制能力、耐力和恢复能力等,从而在竞争激烈的金融市场中做出更明智的决策,最终提升投资表现。 我曾接触到许多金融从业者,他们通过改善代谢健康和控制不良嗜好,提升了能量、恢复能力和工作表现。 改善健康状况的关键在于关注营养、运动、睡眠和人际关系四个方面。我们可以从小事做起,例如散步、改善饮食等,循序渐进地提升健康水平。戒除酒精和药物滥用也至关重要。 通过改善健康状况,我们可以提升执行能力和决策能力,从而在投资中获得优势。‘健身阿尔法’带来的益处不仅限于投资回报,还包括更长的寿命和更高的生活质量。 我个人也受益于此,通过改善健康状况,我重拾了自我,并在各个方面都取得了更好的表现。‘健身阿尔法’的理念适用于所有人,不仅限于华尔街专业人士。 Phil Perlman: 我认为‘健身阿尔法’是一个非常简单的概念,它指的是通过改善健康状况来提升我们在各个领域的表现,包括金融市场。 在金融市场中,压力和情绪波动是不可避免的。而良好的健康状况可以帮助我们更好地应对压力,控制情绪,做出更理性的决策。 我将改善健康的方法总结为四个方面:营养、运动、睡眠和人际关系。这四个方面相互关联,共同影响着我们的身心健康和整体表现。 改善健康状况并不需要激进的改变,我们可以循序渐进地进行,找到适合自己的方法,例如从散步开始,或者改善饮食习惯。 重要的是,要认识到酒精和药物滥用对我们身心健康和工作表现的负面影响,并积极寻求改变。 最终,‘健身阿尔法’的目标不仅仅是提升投资回报,更是为了拥有更健康、更长寿、更高质量的生活。

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This chapter introduces the concept of Fitness Alpha, which is the outperformance derived from personal health. It explains how better health leads to improved stress tolerance, emotional regulation, stamina, resilience, and overall better decision-making, especially during market volatility.
  • Fitness Alpha is the outperformance derived from improved personal health.
  • Better health improves stress tolerance, emotional regulation, stamina, and resilience.
  • Improved health leads to better decision-making, especially during market volatility.

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Everyone on Wall Street is looking for an edge. We deploy quant models, hire analysts, run various simulations, all to gain the slightest advantage that might be worth a few basis points over a year. But what if you were overlooking a giant source of alpha?

I'm Barry Ritholtz, and on today's edition of At The Money, we're going to discuss how Wall Street has been using personal health to gain a competitive advantage. To help us understand all of this and its implications for your portfolio, let's bring in Phil Perlman. Previously, he served as executive editor at StockTwits and was chief behavioral officer at the Bank of the Ozarks. Today, he runs the Pearl Institute, focusing on personal health

and the process of making effective change. So Phil, let's just start with a basic question. What is Fitness Alpha? Fitness Alpha is a model of performance. And we can derive alpha in markets from so many different areas. And just as a very brief primer for those who might not know, alpha is this idea of...

how much we outperform. So if our benchmark is the S&P 500, we're a money manager and we make 25% in a year when the market's up 20%, that's 5% of alpha and so forth. If we're up 15%, that's 5% of negative alpha if the market's up 20%. And so where do you get the alpha from?

And, you know, do you get it from information? Do you get it from having a certain model? There's different sources. And there's one source that is just a very simple source of alpha that nobody is talking about. Nobody has ever talked about it. And it's basically the outperformance we derive from our health. The healthier we get, the better we perform across multiple areas of function.

So give us a few examples of some of those multiple functions that create an advantage in the financial marketplace. Well, markets are a competitive endeavor. And we know from years of research that health, the better, the more healthy we get, the better we perform across multiple areas of function, including

stress tolerance, right? So the markets are stressful. 2022, anybody who's involved with markets for years, think of 2022 for one moment, and you know it was a stressful time. And bear markets occur periodically. I don't know, every five or six years. And so when we have bear markets and we're able to tolerate stress more adaptively, our performance will improve.

not only stress tolerance, but emotional regulation and emotional control.

how we're able to control our emotions, how we're able to cope with our emotions. Do they affect us behaviorally? Do we go on tilt or do we remain rational during volatile periods? This sounds like you're referring to fitness alpha helps you make better decisions, especially in times of volatility.

Absolutely. And there are so many different areas, for example, stamina and resilience, right? I mean, money managers have pressure even during bull markets because everybody's sort of chasing returns. And

And that is a stressor. So it's not just during periods of volatility in bear markets. You get it in bull markets alike. And our ability to bounce back. So just to go back to your other question, there's so many different areas and that's why I'm harping on it. Resilience. We bounce back better the healthier that we get. We recuperate faster. We're able to stay focused longer. Long days. We can put in long days after long days.

our charisma, our self-confidence, and the way we are perceived by others. You and I have spoken about this previously, and you have mentioned that this has quietly become a thing on Wall Street. More trading desks, more funds are internally discussing Fitness Alpha. Explain a little bit about what's happening on the street.

Well, you know, there was a moment, you know, and this goes back 30 some odd years, but there was a moment when Tiger Woods won the Masters. He changed the game of golf forever because before Tiger Woods, none of the golfers really thought about their physical health. And all of a sudden, here comes a young golfer who's in better shape than anybody else out there. And he's crushing the ball.

And he is able to manage his emotional world, his stress and stay ice cold, even with the greatest pressure on him.

And after Tiger Woods, now you go and you look at the tour, almost everybody is in incredible conditioning. And so you're starting to really see something similar to that happen on Wall Street, especially at the highest tiers and in the hedge fund industry. I've had numerous clients who've come to me with metabolic health problems, with

alcohol and other substance problems. And they begin to get those under control. And then all of a sudden they have more energy. They bounce back quicker, their resilience improves and they're performing better and feeling like it's a more sustainable thing than being day to day and hour to hour.

So let's talk about some of the areas of health that you focus on. You touched on drinking, you touched on metabolism, which I assume involves nutrition. What are the areas that you can derive fitness alpha from?

Well, here's the thing about that. I'd like to keep things really, really simple. Okay. And if you go out there, there's a thousand books and there's 10,000 hours of podcasts focusing on health and wellbeing these days. And they get very, very granular. And there's a lot of debates and arguments and, you know, mitochondria and VO2 max, and there's a thousand buzzwords and,

I like to keep it very, very simple. And from my point of view, there are four elements of health that we can focus on. And if we can just get a little bit better, we don't have to get 1% better every day. We could just get 5% better a year. And if we do that year after year, and those four areas, those four elements of good health

or nutrition, what we put into the only body that we are ever issued on this earth, body movement, which is exercise, which includes cardiovascular, you know, aerobic exercise, and also anaerobic exercise or resistance training. It also includes sleep and rest.

And how we allow our bodies to heal over time, whether that's sleeping or whether that's taking a day off or two if we're injured. And social and family and love. And that's the fourth one. It's a very surprising one when I mentioned that. Huge alpha in relationship and love focus.

Sleep, nutrition, exercise, social. All right. So those are the four big areas. So within those four areas, someone listening to this, whether they're a trader or a fund manager or driving a truck or working in a retail store, what do they need to do to generate that performance boost, to generate that fitness alpha in those four areas? Well, all you have to do is get a little bit better at a time.

All you have to do is get incrementally better

Over time, you don't have to try to blow the lights out. Hey, I'm going to start exercising six times a day. I'm going to completely change my diet. I'm going to do all these things. You don't have to get super duper gung ho. And I would say that for each person, there is a gateway drug in a good way. You know, not a gateway bad drug, but a gateway good drug. There's a place to start. And it really there's individual differences and it's dependent on the person.

I'll give you a few examples. If you have somebody who really does not move their body and they're gaining weight over the years, begin to move your body. And that can be as simple as just walking. Walking is an incredible thing. You get outside, you get into the fresh air. Maybe you turn notifications off on your phone.

And you just begin to get the blood flowing and the body movement for other people. Hey, you might have people who love food, who are good cooks. Maybe their gateway drug is to say, Hey, I'm going to really begin this by focusing on my nutrition and you don't have to do anything fancy there. You could keep it stupid, simple there too. And just start eating real foods with very few ingredients and

and staying away from ultra processed foods and staying away from foods that have a lot of added sugar. The one other thing that I thought of when you asked me that question was this,

that I find that substance abuse and alcohol abuse is very prominent in our culture and extremely prominent among professional market participants. And we know, especially as we age, that alcohol and other substances affect our performance and affect our brains significantly.

very, very significantly. And so if you could get a handle on that, that would be another fantastic gateway. So let's say we all start moving a little more. We start eating better. We cut the cigarettes and that glass of wine with dinner. How does that show up in our portfolios? What sort of advantages accrue to us?

Well, it begins with executive functioning and it begins with decision making. And this is a direct relationship to the ideas coming from behavioral economics and this idea that we are not always rational decision makers. And the better, you know, I always use, whenever I hear the word rational, I think

I substitute the word wise, right? So we are not always wise decision makers. And we know that the average human suffers from loss aversion. And we know that there's anxiety related to losses, especially. And so when we are even incrementally

Improving our ability to make decisions, to make wise decisions. That's really where we experience alpha, where we make better decisions that affect our portfolio, that improve our performance. And are there any fringe benefits to this besides just improving our portfolios?

Well, that's actually a beautiful question because I'm actually flipping the primary use case. You know, when people talk about getting healthier, they're not talking about improving your portfolio. They're talking about extending your life and staying healthy for longer and improving your mood and improving your relationships and improving your quality of life.

And so really the fringe benefits are just incredibly central and some would argue primary. I mean, let's say if you were not an investor or a market participant and I was talking to you about this, I would be making the same exact case related to, hey, well, wouldn't you like, you know, we're only here once. Wouldn't you like to stay healthier longer? And so that you can enjoy life for a longer period of time.

So this sounds like this is not just for Wall Street traders and fund managers. Fitness Alpha sounds like it could apply to just about everybody. I built this model from my own experience, Barry. I was not a healthy person.

And I was kind of faking it. Like I was performing well enough professionally that I was getting by and I was making some money, but I was not thriving. And I started to get myself healthy and I started to,

experience this. Wow. I have more energy. Wow. I want to interrupt you because I want people to realize back in the day, you were considerably heavier. You were a big drinker. You were not in any sort of shape other than round. Round is a shape. But you were struggling. Tell us a little bit about that aha moment and tell us what you accomplished.

You know, I'm like a hair club for men. Remember that commercial, the hair club for men guy. I use the product myself. So I bought the company, you know, I mean, I got myself healthy and I was kind of, you know, I was kind of faking it. I was an executive within the financial services space and I was miserable traveling too much, drinking too much,

not moving my body. When I was 12 years old, 15 years old, I was an athlete, but I had gotten so far away from who I was. You know, there's this idea in Buddhism of enlightenment. This one great author once said that enlightenment is nothing mysterious. It's really just rediscovering who you always were. And

And so I felt like as I started really getting healthy, getting my mind and body in shape, that I started really rediscovering who I was, getting back to me. And lo and behold, I started performing better across all aspects of my life.

So to wrap up, Fitness Alpha is how Wall Street finds yet another edge to enhance their performance. But it's not just for Wall Street professionals. We sleep better. We eat better. We move. We have better social relationships. Not only does that show up in our portfolios, but it also shows up in extended lifespans and healthier for longer as part of your Alpha.

I'm Barry Ritholtz, and you're listening to Bloomberg's At The Money. Like I should, took a walk around the neighborhood. Feeling blessed, never stressed. Got that sunshine on my Sunday bed.

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