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So according to my cheque mail, apple is planning to make its first actual like smart home product in twenty twenty six. And it'll take the form of a smart camera. So just like the eve indoor camera, the ones from U F E, it'll be an apple branded smart camera, of course, to integrate with home kit and right off the bat.

When co reported this, I was excited because i've been running apple to make smart home accessories of their own for years, because the world of third party accessories is kind of like the wild, wild west at times. So apple making something apple branded with apple support, i'm on board with that. Then I also got to thinking, what could apple offer that would set its smart home camera apart from some of the other options on the market? I can think of quite a few ways that apple could do something Better, ranging from apple silicon.

So it's superfast, super snapp y in the home map. Apple intelligence features really good package detection or people detection or animal detection, which is something the home, the home APP R T. offers. But it's not super reliable.

It's not bad to before.

It's not bad, but it's not you can see how if apple powered at its cell, on its own camera, on camera hardware, its own silicon inside, you can see how you could get a lot Better and a lot faster.

Yeah like we have any decent for the third party integration that does like I have the eve out and like if someone drops off a delivery, say, a person and a package has arrived, just an animal was moved past or a person recognizes people pretty well from your fat library, even people that you don't have listed 嗯 as explicit named people。 IT can like find images from ages go. I have some school friends come around and IT finds a picture them for like two thousand and ten sometimes. So that's that's good.

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obviously this was all done the pra L I model years, right? So this shoes in older face recognition and object detection models and is obviously more that they could do if they have newer machine learning and official intelligence running on IT. Um and I I think some of that is got to be to do with responding to situations like the thing that really noise ed me about my outdoor camera is that IT can't know that it's me when i'm leaving. So IT doesn't never IT doesn't know if i'm leaving or is coming into the house.

And so you can say IT to muno te vacations when he identifies me, but if i'm leaving the house, IT doesn't know its me so I always buzzers is like that someone outside is, yeah I S back to the camera IT recovery you might be anything the modern A I official chAllenge would be able to understand that even if you can't realize that who the person is who leave in the house, at least they might be out of distinguisheth people arriving in, people leaving because it's kind of a done. I always get a boss, my rest, I want to leave the house because is like that emotion is that a person to take to outside and yeah, me leaving, I 开始 表达。 But under the current home kit system, there is no way to prevent that. But you could imagine that that's one of things they might about to solve if they do their own.

That could almost maybe be solved with some sort of like present detection or like hyper hyper awareness of where you are and where you're going. Like if you're passing IT going one direction or you're passing going in the other direction, that that that could play.

Yeah you don't need A I necessarily because you can just have like if you had a motion sensor in the entrance to the house, you can say disabled the camera for three minutes.

But the problem with that is a home kit does not let you automate the um the cameras tracking so there is no way to to join up in a mac or scene whether the whether a home kit camera is recording or looking for motion events, you can only change the settings manually at the human. You can't togo IT, they only tell because they have is like when you whether your home away based on you know the the geolocation. So you can say only stream when you're im and record when you are away.

But other than that, there's no way to integrate intellect scenes or set up or automation. So there is no way to have like a trigger of emotion, sense of effect, whether the cameras are detected or know that be nice if they get at that. But that doesn't exist in the moment.

The whole world of homework IT cameras, but especially homecare secure video cameras is just so disappointing. I think like I have a post on nine to five mac that I try to keep updated regularly, which is the best home kit secure video cameras. And the past like probably year plus, I don't there hasn't been much to add to that post.

Like nothing is really, really coming on the market with home get secure video support. And in fact, I think the last revision I did that story, I had to remove one because the'd removed homecare secure video IT makes sense for apple to start with a camera because that seems to be the most neglected category for home kit in general, especially when apple R D offers its own native for cloud system for homecare cameras. And instead of just passing IT after third parties like, yes, just make your own and control the experience and supported and definitely yeah .

and the homekeeping video with emotion events is not bad. I would say no. Some people want a continuous recording, which homekeeping is not offer only records clipsed when motion is attended.

So there's obvious ly expansion. They can do that. And maybe if they made there in hard way, that could be excited.

Feature, if you want proper security cameras, I would like apple to do a living room camera that's meant to be like, not even meant to be like off the side. You want to be EV. And then maybe a double is a security camera when you are you're right.

So but like I kind of want a um you know that remember the intended way so a sense and the way was that very slim rectangle thing you'd put on the T, V, could detect the remote and the motion on the remote. That's the kind of form factor I want for a camera that goes to my T V because I don't won't like the T V being struck by the camera. I don't really like the stakes of having like a web camera P P ove IT.

You just want something quite slim line that you can gonna just sit at the bottom like a sensible IT is not to be the best resolution in the world good enough that you can do a face stand call on. You can then act as your homework, current camera um in that room if if you want to I have a eve indoor cam in living room. For that reason it's kind of pain towards the the front door from the inside but IT like looks stupid.

It's like hidden behind the T, V and angle. And like you can still see a way more elegant if there was just like a something meant to be there face time as well as well. Um so this like with the apple making smart accessory stuff, even if they don't bring anything news to the table, is nice than just have a first party option.

I i've been exactly long time. Yes， IT would be more inflated, expensive and no good reason. But sometimes just as what you want cause they they have the aspects in the design a bit nice to them, what the bise whatever do and why does apple make the right I don't bring to the donkey S P C. Don't apple makes because they know that the customers like the apple ones for some reason. Um but we've never really ventured into snow home accessories before, but I feel like they should and this is a decent place to start.

I would rather than make smart home cameras than smart light bubs, I think like this is a great place to start. The bigger news of the week, though, for apple small home plans came from a bloomer report from mark detAiling apples supposed wall mounted display that will serve as a smart home command singer of some sorts. All just this is a really good report for market.

Has a ton of details on both the hardware and software of this product. So i'll just run through the details and then we can dive in to IT. So he says it's designed to be wall mounted and resemble a traditional home security panel.

It'll be available in silver or black. It'll be square shaped, around six inches. So the size of two iphone side by side with a thick vessel around the display. It'll have a camera at the top center, a rechargeable bill to in battery and speakers, then also a system of basis with additional speakers that can be placed around your house, and a system that uses external sensors to detect how many people are nearby.

That on the software side of things, he says the interface is a blend of the iphone standby mode and watch us, but apple thinks most people will use theory or apple intelligence to interact with IT. And it'll be built partially around the APP intense system for controlling different parts of applications. I'll have a home screen with widgets and sensors built in to determine how close a person is and adjust the interface based on that information.

So if you're father away and might show bigger text and like a dashboard style of you and as you approach IT the system, the face will automatically update to show you specific controls are smaller text. Apple reportedly discussed launching an APP store as part of the device, but scrap that plane recently, at least for right now, instead to run apple apps like face time, apple music, apple news, hold the home APP. And in terms of pricing, mark says similar to competitors like the amazon echo show, which range from, I think, just under one hundred dollars to around two hundred fifty.

So there's a lot there, and it's the culmination of the years of reporting we've had on apples, various different efforts to make a smart home device of some sort. And at least based on this report from bloomberg, everything's coming and the picture. And soon he says spring, yes, he says, I think the biggest bottle next to getting this thing on the market is going to be the apple intelligence of at all. Because if you're expecting people to control that primarily with theory and apple intelligence and clearly at least somewhat the next generation more powerful theory with the apintment integration, we're not expecting that to launch until what like around march of next year of her, apple's other platforms.

Well, in fact, apple is said that they're writing additional languages to apple s in I pro. Yes, which kind of suggested that I O S sixteen point four would be an April release. And that's when we currently anticipate the APP tense enough to come out. So the fact that this hardware to make the means is going to be bit sooner, but yeah, much apple time frame.

What do you think of the hardware aspect of all of this, the design to be well mounted around a sixth inch screen with a thick puzzle? The camera, my instinct was that that sounds like a small screen, yep. And that the wall mounted design is a potential limit. IT makes IT. IT removes a lot of the versatility that I think you'd expect from a smart home display system like this.

But you have the basis, right? So I guess you can choose the warm t to all you can have IT on speak by.

I couldn't understand what the basis meant. I didn't understand if that adjustment separate speakers.

I thought I meant like, you know take off your wall, you know like if you see in the google pixel tablet, let 嗯 哼 IT is like a service like an ipad， but IT also is a speaker dog that you can not leave IT in. So I assume the speaker basis are like you can have you can either mount this basically little tablet la on the wall somehow or you can have IT like propped up on kitchen stand thing that also as a speaker in the base.

So that makes more sense. But I guess what threw me office, how much the bloomberg story focused on the idea that I was designed to be while mounted?

I mean, people will mount. There are eyepatch and stuff to let run stuff there in the home upon IT. And it's kind of game. So I can understand the appeal of all mounting.

But romantic is hard because, you know, if you rent is really hard to put anything on the world to, and you and then also used to worry about electricity, right? So he says this is rechargeable. But you know, one battery duration, ation is not going to be very, very long for something is got a always on screen. So you kind of want, if you gonna warm at, you kind of want to be plugged in and like wide into home wiring somehow. Yeah.

I hope I was. I was telling you before we started recording that I have to change the battery in our ring doorbell like every two and a half three weeks and it's just such an annoying process to have to remember to do that. I can't .

imagine and I would do about doesn't have a screen on IT is so much power a in ipad, essentially it's gona die within one day if the screen always on yeah. So if you're gonna warm, I feel like next to a party or somehow integrate into your home wiring, which may be that will support, but as a that's a bit of a mess in times going to are more easier to sell something which is like you just leave this on your kitchen and and got stand plugged into the wall now IT puggles, the socket is right.

嗯， but in the way up to this talk about apple making a smart display, my imagination was for something substantially larger than six hundred diagonal like yeah, I was inking more like ten, twelve, fifteen inches like I think the biggest deal shows like twelve inches that fit was more reasonable because that is like a bigger ipad, right? It's like an ipad pro big size um obviously doesn't have the power of an ipad o but at least has the screen canvas so that if you're across the room of the kitchen you can still pair over and see the recipe or see the time. Six inches is pretty small, like obviously your phone you know your iphone sixty pro max is six point nine inches now, but that's a different aspect, right? So this will be more square. So IT will be physically bigger in the area, but IT would still be smaller than the ipad mini, right? The other minutes I inches about point three.

I think three ago.

So and the ipad mini slightly diagnose. If you square IT off, it's going to do me slightly more than ipad many, right? Ipad many is not that big. And so if you are cross the road, man, to read IT, uh, at least in my opinion, and you think the most, like all clocks that you people put kitchen their way bigger than six inches diamond. So a six in screen is pretty smaller.

You can't fit much on six inches because if you're going to if IT is something is not like a phone where you're gona touch you with your fingers, like up close, everything on the screen is gonna to be pretty big like and not going to to have as as dense populated interface as you do an iphone. So you can have to stop this quite big and quite bulgy closer to like an apple T V interface, right? And so if it's only six inches, you know not going to fit many.

You you not going to fit much on the screen at one time, like you want on the screen to widget on the screens opposite like look at down by on the phone. You get what two bridges, one left, one on the right um so and if he describes IT is two iphone slept together? You want to to scare ish designs and maybe get four wages but is still a really vely ungainly interface on a resume small screen like the went in the later told these rumors before the screen dimensions were leaked like this.

I was thinking that would be like ten inches six is pretty tight. And if kind of dampers my appeal for the party quite a bit like, I mean, I still want to get wrong, but IT doesn't where I wanted in my house, i've like a long, thin kitchen I was going to put on like one into the kitchen counter. But then like my cooker in office, on the other end I don't I thought to say six and you know, like a sixteen, you displayed me quite small and then it's like, wow, a lot of stuff I could do on the section, just like I could also do on my phone, in my pocket.

You know. So hello, IT is very, very different. Like if you have something is bigger, you can then see you can then emulate more of like a walk calendar or like a family calendar which is bigger and put more events on the screen once, like i'm strugling to imagine how they gna differently.

Um the interface on something that only six inches ready for, like a family setting that anyone's mean to use. And the thing that really makes me laughter is the the idea that you would like adapt his interface based on how many, how close you out of the screen, but is not want to show much, regardless how you know. I guess if you far away, you'll see the time in big phone, you and you go close, says everything else, like doesn't mean many, the much scope for variations in U I， because the screens is too small to begin with, at least my in this in my imagination a bit.

I think so too. And I wonder if that plays into the decision to not have an APP store on IT. And german says it'll be able to act as a standalone device, but we'll still rely on the iphone for some things. My reason this is going to be very much like an early apple watch situation where a lot of IT is passed off to a nearby iphone. And that can include showing widget from third party apps powered by your iphone on this smart display, similar to how you can see widget on your mac desk top from apps that are on and nearby iphone, you can see how they will tile these pieces together.

Yeah, it's like a home put in that respect, right? I like a home put is standard product, but it's best when you pair with .

the phone to do yet to do anything more than the basics. It's going to try to hand out off your iphone .

yeah and most recently that I did that thing way even if you don't have like if you wanted, do spot to find the home, but you can ask the home point place, but find IT IT just wake up your iphone in the house and the air play to 再来。

You can like all the all of that like access to products are kind of like independent， but have clear you know you're expect you to have an iphone right to do right yeah probably use of them and but at least that means that if the owner of the iphone isn't around, the device is known functional. I always do Better to do the best and play music and see your calendar and stuff. But yeah, of course, you may not have an iphone in in the vicinity.

The third part, regime, marine thing, makes perfect sense. And I can imagine that my murr like your live activities too. So they sharp screen, they some debate about in my head, like how they gna manage IT.

Because if it's meant to be a shared community device, like 这 mode byte ones， paid to once is anyway one. The home parts kind of get away with any being paid to one primary device. They have voiced recognition so other people can talk to IT and logged into their account. But like if you if you're doing that spot of, for example, they only root through one phone.

which you can kind of get away with.

with music because is what they are only. But when you've got like visuals too, you I want to see different people's kind of events. If people's remind like it's unclear that's going to shake out maybe there and you go for the community.

Ff like hover to start with. Um like it's not like no appeal at all, but there is definitely limitations on that approach. Uh, a lot of IT comes in the details.

We actually say that they I think our point hours, the T V A, the I did this way a little like home experience, you can control your home accesses is great. And because that's what I do on the iphone of the time, and the control center I O C teen made that way nice are right. So you can set out to home with IT.

You just swept down from the top, and you can feel about them how you plays. I need to be great if there was like some permanent thing that when other people come round or know they can just like control the lights or the firm is start from right there with a visual thing. Um the apple T V is also A B device.

IT does not have a home meat to which really annoys me. I wish the hyper T V would have a dedicated how about you get like click on and see visually or your homes and accesses and together you can only radio your voice h through through the F T V. Um and then the other thing is like this, can me obviously you know it's gonna have a touch screen right but it's gonna be predominance ice activated.

It's going to be like a home pop but with the screen right that's why a half the room and can be hone the screen. And home kit works decently well right now with siri and voice control, but you can very quickly reach the limits. And I hope that if they get introduce this product like this, they're also gonna expand.

And the kind of time controls, you can ask, the really obvious one is you try to ask theory to turn on two different rooms at the same time. IT doesn't, IT refuses, so it's not like he does not understand. I will also tell you, you cannot do compound requests, please are separately, is like you can realize that I ask you to do to show more book at once.

You just can't do IT. And that's true even on the apple intelligence as far as i'm away, even with apple tense like apple tense has no relation to its understanding of home controls. Um so I think that will continue. So I hope they're got other announcements in the wings here to like make that experience a lot nicer.

I was definitely more excited and more hopeful about this products until I did you talk about IT. Point out the limitations, particularly around the screen size. I just have a hard time.

I'm going to have a hard time justifying as a renter, especially mounting this thing to my wall, if really all IT offers is a home kid experience and maybe some very basic integration with widgets because the thing with uh, living in a house with somebody else like you point IT out is, is this going to be a product that only I can use, or that only it's only going to show widget for my iphone, like if I want to have my to do this show on that so I can check IT out every morning as i'm walking by or whatever what happens when Emily walks by? What if he wants to look at something? It's basically me saying, yeah, i'm going to amount this thing to my wall and maybe you can use IT IT might work a little bit for you. There are a lot of detailed that we don't .

know about this. Yeah, I mean, I can definitely sion use to something like that. Um you know, if you ve got music playing, cross your house with homework. Dds, whatever.

IT be nice if the this smart is best thing can show that now playing visually and you can like control IT from there and control different rooms and just tapped tap tap as like a little home common I think IT there is appeal to IT. But the practicalities are how you going to get IT on the wall. That's a big question.

If you don't get put on the wall, then it's gotta on a little standing probably in the corn over room, which will be next to the plug on you know next to a plug. Um so it's not going to be compatible with everybody's living spaces because IT just depends where you've got outlets where you can actually put IT the recharge with things. What is the most positive thing to make because like is charge to every night ever.

So uh, that's bit old. I guess maybe you can like pick you up and take IT around with you and can not be tethered. But IT is a bit bit of scenario um because I could do I love to put IT on like you know people of like coffee tablets and stuff between the south in the T V.

Like you have that you like and control your life stuff but again, you're get the power problem like my coffee table, my little like not connected to power anywhere yeah um so that's why some people use ipad, right? Because they have really longer about your life and they just turn off in the screens on the whole time. Um so he has he has a pair of sea. So so then uh lesser than the ipad were five in many regards to so you know can I create a market for itself? IT really stands apart and that's talking to us who are pretty invested in the ecosia already with home factories, with home pause, with other stuff.

If you are outside of that, is gonna be much more weird or like unnecessary, I think, to look because if you do, you know what's the point in getting IT if you don't already have a lot of home, good stuff, for instance? Yeah or if you're not going if you have so no set up, is he going to show up very well thing probably know a lot people who have I have nothing else like you going to then want to get this thing. I don't know a lot of question Marks like i'm excited to see IT because I think apple doing more in the general is a good direction for them.

But I don't see this product to at least right now, is like they're going to sell hundreds of millions. Now that is IT feels like a pretty nh a venture. Um the addressed .

market is just so small looking for people who a won a product like this in general, b have enough home kit accessory because a lot of people have smart home accessories, but most people don't have home kit enabled accessories that they have accessories that work with alexa actually buy the cheapest option on amazon.

So you're banking on people having a home kit ecosystem and you're banking on people pretty much being exclusively in the apple ecosystem with home pods. Probably apple music wanted listen to their news or listen to their podcast. With apple podcast, the addressing market is just so small. The one where deming factor of IT, at least gin based on this report, is the Price because government says around the same Prices in echo show. So if you go with the highest in echo show at two hundred fifty dollars, that at least more compelling than if this was going to be double the Price of a competitor.

For me, the way phrases though is like IT won't have the base come with them for that Price, you have to buy the base. Additionally, that was kind of my implication.

And he says to that IT might have, like the system of external sensors to detect how many people are nearby. Those will probably cost you extra, so maybe for two hundred.

And as well, I just want you to take out of people in need about using the Cameron IT 来。 And why is eva Cameron if you going to a face time call on a section screen by like Pearls on one war and not moving around after me? But I think if you see is like a home put mini, but with the screen on IT.

So if you assuming that comes to the speaker base right then is like a natural direction for the minute to go, you get more control, you can control your home accessory, can still play music through and IT sounds okay. 嗯， 你 你那 你 can get on your life like as the the whole mounting thing is more the in terms of how many people that you gna bother or want to do that， because they, even for me, i've house is like electrical. You got worry about where is gna go IT becomes complicated pretty fast.

And the other thing just top IT. All of the fact that government calls out thick, it's six screen. How thick as this bears were going to be. You know that that that gave me paul very, very slightly.

As always, you have to remember that this is just a rumor. And who knows if the wall mounted thing is just a small tidbit that girl and heard. And he's really putting an emphasis on IT for the sake of making the because the comparison he makes repeatedly is like a traditional home security panel, which are always generally mounted red on the wall.

yeah. So who knows when this sink ships of apple will actually focus on that aspect of IT? Or just say, you can mounted on a while, you can use IT on a base you can Carry around.

You have three ways of using IT. I I hope the base is is included like I won be I will be ah then the Price gets probe my game. They going to charge you a hundred dollars of the base.

No, like that's that again, Price is such an important fact to here like smart home stuff is a luxury and is convenient when you get IT. But people have shown time time again, they don't want to pay a lot of money for the stuff yeah and that's why I still nature right? When you you when you kind of wrap people in IT and and like, you know, i've spent quite a lot money. I was quite nice.

Uh, I kind of have the earth to do IT in other room, my house, but like, I only really didn't downstairs the upsets of my house, unlike now, is IT really worth of me to get more lights and stuff because that cause a fortune in the end when you actually figure out um and I don't speak your homework, speakers upset for insinuate are the kitchen in the living room so you know, it's even for me is kind of into IT and still like broke at the Price sometimes. And the home for mini is a nine, nine and seven ancho products pretty good. You know I think he said it's pretty good, not in the product, but what do people keep by they buy the forty al amana o spots or whatever they called because they cheaper.

And so if this thing comes on the market and it's not really Price compare, if it's going to be a really hard so and on Price alone before you consider like whether there's enough of a install base out there or hokey accessories and people warning that speak as everything else. So i'm kind of open IT lands around like the two hundred hundred to dollar mark, which is like the high end echo shows. But IT comes with the base included, I would say the high end echo shows have like twelve in screens.

This is only six inches, supposedly going to government。 So that would be a bit of downa. And but I would like if if if this whole report sounds about what I was expected to be apart from the screen size, the screen size is a bit of a spanner. The work, because, again, where i've been imagined this apple smart splayed to go my home this whole time, i've just been imagined the screen to be like an ipad screen, six inches, a lot smaller, maybe the different sizes and is any reported one size at tonight, but everyone excited to see IT, i'm glad they're trying IT.

I'm sure to get a lot of flag, but I probably I probably like again be in one percent of the market yeah it's be able to find a place for IT, but I don't see IT as a huge I don't the thing with the smart home stuff though, as though i'm not sure there's one product is like a huge venture that's going traditional apple. You kind have to build up a big ecosystem of little things, and they all kind of work together. And I love the home pods, the big home speakers that not perfect, but they great. But i'm sure that then set to love them, but wish I won't give up on them. So this would kind of fall into that bucket.

And just for the full context, the speaker charging dock for the google pixel tablet cost one hundred and twenty nine dollars. So if you're just getting the homework d screen for two fifty, then you add in something like that, yeah it's going to be get expensive quick. And if there's one thing we've learned about apple smart home focus is that they tend to release something, then get upset when IT doesn't sell millions, millions of units, then abandoned IT. Hopefully, that doesn't happen here. I mean, between this government report and quote saying that apple is going to make a smart home camera, IT does seem like they're some renewed focus, but i'm excited to see the product skeptical of the product and skeptical that apple will commit to this and keep going once IT sees the reaction to the product but will see happy this week .

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the show I O S eighteen point two beta three is here and it's not as the first yeah couple of things worth pointing out though. The big one being that there's a new toggle, another new togo for the camera control, the default hair or of the camera control on the iphone sixteen is that if your screen is off, you press that wants to wake up the screen and again to open the camera. What this new total does is remove that first press basically.

So even if your iphone sixteen screen is off, a single press of the camera control quickly opens up the camera APP itself. The default behavior is still you have to press twice. But if you go into settings and display and brightest, you'll see this new togo that you can disable to remove that first press requirement. Another tagle for the camera control, again, maybe signaling that they missed the mark on the first implementation because this was wone of the focuses of the reviews and the kind of was a big focus of the reviews that you had depress IT twice to get to the camera APP.

Yeah, the narrative voice, the camera control much fast to take a picture, but they setting completely changes the conversation on that. And if they setting had been there from the beginning and maybe I should have been the full all time, as in devoted off could made a huge difference. Um I don't know about you, but I don't review like accident Prices.

The government control is such a big thing that they should have been so conover about this in the first place. And you just press the button, you need a physical click. So that seems hard to do that accidentally in your pocket ever.

And it's just launched in the camera. A is not like you're doing anything crazy. So I kind of feel like this the default should be required screen on to not be required.

Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's only been what this came out on monday. So i've only had three days of turning this toggle off and I haven't noticed any increase in accident, all camera burden interactions.

My biggest problem with the camera control is when i'm bringing IT out of my pocket, I tend to grab the phone by where the camera control is, which either leads to me accidentally opening in the camera APP or now IT leads me accidentally going to visual intelligence because i'm grabbing the phone like gripping IT as I put that out of my pocket. And I just happened to grab and grip on the camera control itself. This turning off this toga, I don't think really affects that at all.

So i'll probably leave IT like this, but IT is just so weird how many toggles and how many settings and how many changes we've seen to the camera control. And it's especially weird. This talk is in the display and brightness section of the settings APP, not the camera control section of the settings APP. So right now you have different camera control settings and toggles across display and brightness accessibility. And the actual camera control menu, three place.

which is camera and camera control, is like a you basic splint across three different screens. And IT is only eighteen point two.

Who knows? Who knows what's coming next? And the other .

thing that I thinks a bit odd with all the the camp control is like there's low to togas, but you don't want to have all the toggles enabled LED. So they added like the A A or a focus lock in the most recent date. But for that to really be sensible orn to make a lot sense. So you kind of then turn off the the swiping gestures, they get the little sub many things, so you kind of after like manually sort IT out. So it's in a configuration that makes sense.

I don't know how they shake this out now, but kind of feel that has got the default wrong and they need like to like bring IT back a bit and have like camera camera control a just ask you, do you want to use IT for camera lock or do you want to use IT for gestures? Because I don't feel like the two things can really exist. Current cide, they don't really want together. Turn on both at the same time very well.

You need a new first run experience after I O A teen point two comes out. When you open the camera for the first time, you need a first one experience. It's like, here's all the things you can do with the camera control. Let's deo this, this, this.

How do you like that? Do you want to use this feature? Because otherwise you're again, not only are you have do you have three separate screens in the settings up with options, you change something in the settings APP, then you have to bounce back to the camera APP and test that to see if you like IT. Then you bounce back and adjust IT again. I just think it's ultimately going to lead to a lot of people giving up and turning IT off altogether or just turning turning IT into a single button that you press open the camera and you press to take a picture, which isn't the worst thing.

And the the the sensitivity options are accessibility.

right? Yep.

yep, they kind of feel like they should be in the camera control menu like, I agree, I feel like people gone to go. Oh, i'm onna. Check out the camera control singings they find one of those menus.

Probably the camera camera control one is the most obvious. I don't know how you even know to check the other screens for more options, so have to read nine to five. Mac, yes, yeah. Like, let's show me IT ships as is right now.

And the required screen total is always, is always on how many Normal people are onna go in there and find out about and the turn off and then know what that means you know you need bet default and I feel like the Better default is to not have their own yeah or if is gonna there that feels like an accessibility tok, because it's really to like motor movement, you know. So why why not an accessible to the first things like I don't understand why that one displaying brightest. Very old, very od. You can at least see .

that they are listening to feedback in attempting to adapt to that feedback. And speaking of adapting to feedback, there's also a changed to the photos APP and baa three, particularly as a relates to video. So the photos apios teen, when you tapped to watch a video, there would be this kind of zoom in, zoom out effect, where I would zoom out to hide the slider of other videos at the bottom.

Then if you tap again, I would zoom back in to bring back that slider if that makes sense. And now when you tap on the video and play IT, IT just overlays the slider of other videos and like the gallery review at the bottom on top of video, which is how the outcome with the that would yeah. So there's less movement like when you're tapping in playing and pausing a video, which is a good change.

I think IT is weird that now the default is kind of you have something obstructing your video. But again, like you said, that's how worked before. So people are okay with that. I guess, well.

people are used to controlled overlaying your video in the video, not because that's how all the movie apps works, that's how all the stream ops work. That's how the video play works in every other public system, right? You tap wants the controllers APP.

You tap wants the control go away. So what they deny eighteen was very desire because I didn't really feel necessary. That is kind of made more stuff. Zoom around the around the place for no good reason. And we've also change the navigation bar, by the way, very slightly. So the original thirteen design had the, like the, you know, the date of all the photos taken and the the time he was like left the line is like a leading title. Now two is back to the center again, which again is like the old foes, because now you have a more traditional .

backup on the left side.

So the trending back in the 来， because obviously the thing that draws the eye with the photos up is the great view with the split section at the bottom for the instance. Carrot, I got this weird featured section. Um but there were also a lot of other smaller changes when you actually navigate around the didn't really make any sense, didn't match the rest of I O S.

And that was hard to justify is that why was the titles left line here? And the the close button was the crops in the right hand side. The screen like that just goes against most of, you know, before you shouldn't really break devil interfaces expectation that a really good reason. And this was one way they just did have a good reason. And sure enough, in the point too, now is bike ly back at was before.

Well, that's something we've seen throughout IOS in general over recent years where each APP kind of gets a separate update from year, year. So that leads you to having different interface paradigms and different gesture interactions between which appear using, right.

So something that you do in the photos APP feels different, and something you do in the music APP then something you do on the maps APP right? Each of these apps gradually gotten redesigns that slowly those changes make the waste other apps. But before they do, you're kind of left or remembering which gesture, which interface, where to look in each .

particular yeah and even things like fund treatments and type faces, most like carbon dating with trees. You want to know which year the output updated on based on how IT looks like there's like different generations of the face design. And in some cases, IT makes sense like you don't want every APP to work and look the same because then they are optimize the use case.

So that's why that the map APP has this kind of like bottom card into face, right? That kind of overlays the map because not every APP makes sense of this one big canvas at the root level um so in some cases is justify able but in the photo APP, I just kind of feel that they did IT for like changes sake and that wasn't really a reason for. And so now I don't do anymore.

I continue to like the overall structure of the new photos happen. I've gotten pretty much used to IT. I think i've been running the beta since june at this point.

But I will say i've noticed an increase in the number of videos I see on tiktok of people complaining about the new camera APP i've seen people showing. And how do you get the camera back? Camera, how to get the photos out back to how IT was, which is not sure at all.

Yeah, you can turn off for the bottom sections, but you don't get the tablet back, which is exactly what people do. They just disabled everything. So you just have the gallery of you. And that's not how IT was before.

Like the missing tabs is the navigation thing that I thinks is the most problematic. I I I do you think that in a future year, they will have tabs back, but they will also have the split section. So you can have like feature is at the bottom, but then you have like concern, hierarchy and navigation.

I don't understand why I want you to replace the other um some kind of waiting for that to come back and then i'll be truly indicated. No yeah but I will say that from my dad a he got I I guess he got team like a month ago but I noticed the photo, my favorite he was like, I don't. I'm looking in albums and then my favors, because in the old design, favors was like the first album on that second tab, right? And you could like swipe between them in the little thun nose.

But on r eighteen favor, season consider album is considered a collection. So if you look at the album section, favorite isn't there at all. You have to go to the pin collection section. Its favorite is right there, or what I think apple kind of want you to do, but nothing knows you kanda is you get out of the split section, you go to the gallery of photos and you cut the bottom left icon. You can filter by favorites um but that's like three button taps and nobody finds IT .

that bottom left icon in the gallery is one of the more confusing parts of the photos APP design I think especially when you have filter than you have view options, both of which show like screen shots that you can tober on and off. And even now i'm still always confused about how which option I want set which way and the up and down arrows doesn't necessarily do a good job of conveying. That is a button you can tap to find other options. You more think it's purely for like sorting.

People call IT the favorite album, but is not an album anymore.

Other things invited. three. The T, V, APP on the ipad now features a customized able navigation bar, so you can choose to add any sidebar item to the tab bar, like channels, apps, library sections and sports. This is apparently something that demo, I guess, that ww c was like .

one of the W W C demos for this new U I component in our for that as we're shooting off the T V up doing IT. But they didn't you ship up until now. Are the T V I also has a new trails experience. By the way, if you see trailers um there's like if you're on the T V plus section, for instance, there's a new row for trailers and when you click IT IT like slides up full screen, you can like swipe between trailers, which is nice so than them to go out back in every single time. Um I am going to question the first the people missing the apple trails up like subcategory and organization and staff and filters but IT is at least addition employment for if you want to quit these things through that. To try this.

one of the things in I O A teen point two that we talked about last week is this new feature for air tags and other find my enabled items where you can generate a link to share the location of something you lost.

And last week we are talking about this for the first time, I sarcastically made a comment in passing that airlines were going to hate this feature because they would just have people sitting them unsolicited, find my links that they may or may not be able to actually do something with. As IT turns out, apple has thought about this. And in a press release this week, they announced that they are working with more than fifteen airlines to create systems that will let them, except find my location links to help locate lost or delayed or missing andle bags. This kind of ties this feature altogether, I think, and because that's one of the primary use cases of air tags, is finding a lost bag. So giving a drag integration with airlines kind of is a win win.

I think it's nice that they haven't just announced like roll out the shot, the software port for IT. I can hopes that the world will come along with them. It's nice they have actually reached out these airlines and got agreements that like yeah be ready because people going to send you these things and at least hopefully there will be like us a knowledge base ark in the airlines date is, you know you have thing for employees that tells him what to do with this link, for instance.

And finally, this week, one rumor topic that we haven't touched on very much recently is the iphone seventeen air slash iphone seventeen slim. This is, of course, the what's believed to be a completely new iphone model coming next year with an all new design that prioritized this form over function. So a beautiful design, but might only have one camera, the standard processor, the nineteen, instead of the pro.

But the rumor this week said that apple has aren't hit some road blocks in one of the key parts of this new design, which is the battery. So the rumor said that apple had initially hope ed to use a new type of battery for the iphone seventeen air that used a thinner internal substrate. But it's really into seal problems with this plan recently, like component cost, manufacturing consistency, yield rates and various other technical things.

This report says the iphone seventeen eight, iphone seventeen air battery will now be around six millimeters thick. So obviously you can deduce from that if the battery is six millimeters thick, the iphone itself is, of course, going to be noticeably thicker than six millimeters. And in comparison to other iphone models, the iphone six currently holds the title as apples then as iphone ever.

And I was six point nine millimeters, and the current iphone sixteen is seven point to eight millimeters, and the iphone sixteen pro is eight point to five millimeters. Then of course, apple thin product ever is still the thirteen inch i've had pro, and that's five point one. Billie ters, interesting to see the numbers in context of each other because I didn't realize how much thicker the current iphones are than they used to be. And I also did realize I didn't realize how I knew the new ipad pro was thin, obviously. But looking at IT in comparison, like the iphone sixteen pro, the ipad pro is an incredible design, and it's kind of a bummer that this new iphone seventeen air apparently won't even be anywhere close to that number.

I mean, this is anyone report, right? But yeah, you kind of hope is not just because you you're taking a lot of compromise for a not very much thing and that like you really need something that's like six millimeters thing to really have that striking video like the ipad pro has.

How is this impossible if the batteries can be six millimeters thick on its own, then you've tt a put what, at least another millimeter for the casing around IT, right? So yeah, then you are getting closer to the current phones, which are in the seven million arrange. So that if that is the case, maybe the not position is the iphone seventeen, maybe I going to call IT. I was entirely um but I mean.

you gotta remember to that even the macbook air and nowadays with this new flat edge design is not that much thinner than the macbook pro. They've clearly there are more flexible with what the word air means nowadays.

Yes, but I don't really care about the night necessary. I'm just thinking product presented to because IT seems pretty like this only as one that camera that's a huge the paper like how much as I will do about the cameras and then they going to come up with the new model is like got one camera like again, that well meeting than and IT still got a lot.

We still expected to have a protruding camera, right? It's not even like the camera can be flush. Uh, so is the the iphone seventeen blank, whatever that model is, is very confusing this point .

and interesting. But yes, yeah it's and the camera might be senate on the back.

Remember that was part of that that would be told and the whole phones is going to be alumni. Um is that rather than I .

think the latest rumor is some sort of combination of aluminum and titanium but not pure titanium like the current pro phones are very weird. I mean, another key factor of the two is Price because the information first reports said IT will cost more than the pro max phones. So more than what are we at now?

One hundred dollars, twelve hundred dollars more than that as part of this are going to discontinue the plus phone, which isn't as expensive as the proponent. Obviously very weird. I don't I go back and forth on whether I think this is a good idea but just from a pure apple fan or apple watcher, I mean, it's fun to see them do something different with the .

iphone models yeah they clearly unhappy with the mini idea and the plus idea. And so this is a new attempt at the four phone, but the room is so far very confusing about what would actually .

make IT appealing. And there are other ways to to make an iphone design field premium or field different casuists. IT doesn't necessarily even have to feel premium.

People will associated with being premium if that looks different because people buy new iphones when IT, they look different and somebody pass walking by them on the street can say, oh, that person has the new iphone. That's cool. Which that hasn't been the case for the past four years since the overall design of the iphone has been roughly the same since the iphone twelve.

So as all IT, ultimately at all pretty much comes down to marketing. And they can make an ultra premium, my phone that ultimately isn't that premium. But as long as that looks different, people will buy and pay the extra money, assuming, of course, like you said, that they're willing to give up those cameras, which is a big, big.

big if you I mean, despite all the courses and we just throw this might to be .

the model by .

because is the new one right? Is the different one. But obviously, we got wait for a clear picture exactly what .

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