#424 – Bassem Youssef: Israel-Palestine, Gaza, Hamas, Middle East, Satire & Fame
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Your wife is half palestinian, and I have her just say, the'd been trying to kill her, but he keeps using the kids as human shields. So have you considered negotiating a ceasefire?

Well, thing is, every day, every minute of the day, in a married life is a negotiation. Everything can blow up into a full scale war, starting from a simple sentence, like, good morning, what should we do with the kids today? What should we do with that peace of furniture? Or any sentence can lead you to heaven or to help in the same time go tie with terrorists. And for hair, I am her terrors .

to Terry. Sample size and more serious. No, when you found out about the attacks of october seventh, onto your mind.

if i'm allowed to use a curse word, I was as many as I like. Part of my stand up comedy is I describe a situation where I was in a restaurant with producers, and there was a bombing two blocks away in change in new york. IT took thousand thousand sixteen. And of course, this is, they like, damn, what's going to happen to us now.

And and and there is like two different reaction, is that the White reaction, which is like, oh my god, I hope nobody is her to terrible, I hope, hope for okay? And there's the reaction, what's his name? What's his name? What is is the name know? Because you know what's gonna? It's that I was cared, what's gonna happen in that area and is like, oh my god, it's gonna be horrible. And the way that IT was reported, I I didn't know how to handle this.

So I basically, I went into hiding for a few days, three, four days, and I talked about peer Morgan team talking to me two times, three times that I know, like, how can I defend that? How can defend what time? And I start kind of looking and news a little bit, started seeing people coming on the shows and saying things that I know as an arab, as an a muslim, as someone from that region, that is not true, but I didn't know how to how, what to say, how to say.

So I said by the third time when they ask me, is that like, fine, put me on and I went there. IT was moved over figures of speaking a suicide mission. And uh, because it's, I lose the situation, I can.

I can lose stuff in hollywood. I can even I remember my matters like, best be careful. I ming, are you sure you, anna, do that? Are my manager was like, please don't do peace, don't do.

And on the other side, if I don't perform well, whatever well means, i'm gono na be rejected by my own people. So it's IT was a lose lose situation. And because whatever I say, I will never be enough, and whatever I say would not be good enough.

And I was going into there, and I I felt that I was going into a trance for the thirty three minutes that I was on the on that interview for the first time, people get out, I blacked out, I blacked. And a lot of people ask me, is the earpiece whose data bit when the earpiece kettle like no IT was really falling off and IT disconnected, and I had to save IT because I cannot see them. All I can hear, I can just hear them, and I could expecting at any time. Okay, but some, thank you. I like I I was fighting for every second to say words, to put stuff in there for people.

Don't know, this is your a conversation interview with piers Morgan. And you can see.

I could say, I just like, that is with the camera.

And a real .

dream. Yes, I in .

the end, at any moment, your career and everything.

everything. Yeah.

yeah. So what was the drive they got you to actually do IT to overcome that fear.

multiple things. First of all, I don't anna say it's just my wife family because my wife family has always been there. But this time was different.

The the the bombing, the attack, the they usually one of those people that they are way of everything when that whatever happened as they are always in safe places. But this time IT seems that there was no place safe. And already we heard about like two, three of the of the cousins and the the uncles already lost their homes.

So this was too much. So I, I, I wanted to say something for those people because I know that, you know, I made I made one of the juice that I made that was like, oh, you know, it's hasn't her cousin. He's a ser.

He's a doctor. He's a doctor and he every time a hospital was bomb, we worried about him. So I wanted to say that because I felt that this is a family I have never seen in my life.

I have never SHE actually had. So an unclear too, because, you know, they cannot leave. But I said that I need to speak, at least I do something for those extended family I have never known.

But also because when when, when peace Morgan team called a couple of times that, okay, let's let's see what's going on in the show. And I just watched the stuff and the lies and the one sided reporting that made my blood boil. And then I thought, like, what? Why am I? What am I RAID of? I'm afraid of if I say something, I can lose my career like a minute.

But that was the reason why I left. As that way I left IT, I came to united states. I came to the land of the free where I can say anything I want, and yet I have limitation of what to say. I mean, I thought we left that should behind. I mean, what's happening and I understand I understand the connection of like how sensitivity is when you you speak about israel and all of the rai made accusations, but as as an arab, as a muslim, I don't react the same when you talk about how the iran or egypt or any of them was like you you want you want to do some of these countries out. I'll do that with you because I have strong opinions about that and I already been expressing them. But when I talk when that's why I like and there's a lot of huge people who come to my show and they understand that, they understand that that the separation, but that kind of of grouping of black mAiling people are saying and not saying what they have in their mind IT. Is that kind of like and wonderful, the things that kind of like push, push me to go on the show.

The thing that was bothering you was what was being said, or how I was being said.

both because there are lies, which is usually in the media, but there was the total disregard of humanity. You talk a lot, a lot about your show about human suffering. And I felt that here the human suffering was not equal.

I felt that's why I came up with this like what's the exchange rate today? What's exchange rate today there? There's of course, it's terrible to see anybody die, but what I feel that like is IT isn't our life not worth anything?

They had a chart um yeah I came to crip T O from an email. You analysis from an investing .

perspective, of course in the dark and .

you were saying that a certain year was a good year ah to fourteen two thousand and fourteen was a good year for investment purposes and also to refer to the to a family member that you called the loser, you were saying that you call them had a conversation with them. He keeps saying that he's not using anybody for human ships and you call them all like he lied to .

because I have to believe. But this is what the one thing is like. It's also one of the things like how I was said IT was stuff that i've been hearing.

I don't know what what turned on on my head, but it's stuff that i've been hearing all my life from the is really warn civilians before bombing them and that's okay, but that's not okay. Is really is trying to minimize the civilians but killing them anyway and that's okay, but that's not okay. So IT is kind of like the inductions ation that will be hearing as if IT is okay and then suddenly it's not.

Yes, there's a kind of several layers of bullshit, almost sometimes hiding their obvious hor. The situation with kind of policeman and all this kind of stuff. Just a basic value.

Human life, that said, is a difficult situation. IT is, what would you do for israel? B, B, called you for us, some big fan.

Big fan. Your comedy first. How would you hang up away?

Would you hear? No, definitely hear. Like, that was like way of this material. Al, material. Man, it's like, so called me. Yeah, I was sitting with my family, just like, have my phone like nothing. Yeah.

just shows up that way. I mean, what would you do? What would you do in the situation?

To answer this question, we need to understand, how is your things? There is an incredible speech giving bijon levy at the famous israeli reported hats. And he describes a situation where he was in the west bank and there was a checkpoint, and in that checkpoint there was an ambuLance with the palestine, an patients and IT who's there sitting for an hour and have not moving.

And then he went to talk to the soldiers like, guys, why are you not letting them goes like a, let them goes like, I know and then he told him, imagine if he was your father and the soldiers stood up s like, what? These are pigs, these are not humans. So when you tell me, what would you do, if either will do, IT really needs to, we need to ask, how does israel look at the palestinian and view the palestinians? They do look at them less than human.

And there is an incredible talk, uh, by mayer. He was a holo survivor, and he said, I london in ashford, when I was there in the concentration came that in order for a group of a dominant group of people to dehumanize another group, they need first to dehumanize themselves. And israel looks at palestinians as lesser people, as lesser beings, as some people who are dispensable. And the way that they treat them is that they don't really care about like that's why that they exchange rate thing.

So for me, if I am israel at IT would be like, what would you do if your the united states in the time of the native americans, they were killing people with the millions when you dehumanized a group of people who you really don't care? So if I was israel, I would do exactly what israel is doing right now, because there is no one is holdin me accountable. There is no one stopping me, and I can get whatever I want throughout my history through violence.

I think a lot of things you just said are a tiny bit slightly exaggerated. So let me, let me try, please, please try. So not everybody in his area, of course, let's look at um.

Several groups. So people in government, I D, F, soldiers and citizens, they are neither of those and not everybody of any of those. These people is is less than human, just some percentage. So what percentage is that? Your sense?

It's the people who have the power.

So it's mostly the focus. The your commenter, when you say people in israeli, you really mean the .

people in people have in power. But as much as like I of course, I mean the people of power because when I speak about even when I speak about america, I speak about people and I speak about egypt, I speak the people about, because like I country country talk about the hundred million people in each, or the eleven million people in israel, of course not.

There are people who go in and they demonstrate against niti aha, and they want him out of the government. But you have to admit that the israeli ef society, IT at a whole have moved quite bit to the right and has been, has been lake many extreme. And you know what happens when you go to the right or you go to the most extreme, the other person go to the most extreme.

And extremism breeze extremism. So thank you for the clarification. But like I really meant with the people of power, when people criticize the the united states for going in the iraq, of course they were criticising citizens.

But you made another point, which is an interesting point and is very difficult to see in the heart of people, but I wonder if you look at the average prosy an and the average israeli, and when they look at the other, do they have some hate in their heart? Or everybody probably has some? What is that amount? You know, when you look at a person that looks different than you, how much hate is there?

That depends on what is the living situation of each person. So in the berlin film festival, just like a few couple of weeks ago, there was an israeli and palestinian receiving and the words together, and the israeli director said, we gonna go back to israel. He's gonna to the west back. You would have no rights, and I would have full living rights. These people manage to work together and be friends, and they have empathy to each other.

Now, the average palestinian, it's a very difficult question because is that the palestinian and aspa or the palestinian in gaza, or the best in the west bank, or the one in the citizens as a citizen of israel who still have less right in a room, citizen raw and IT, really depends if I am. There are people in arabs in israel who are having a great life, and there are people arabs were having A A miserable life. But definitely, people that live in gas in the west bank is kind of like on the lowest years.

They live in conditions. Now let's talk about the hate. What does dead palestinians see with whom is really the palestinian cy oppression, limit of movement limitation, freedom they have.

And then when there something happens, you see the full force coming in, destroying their home, taking away members with family. That would be absolutely no reason for him to love the other. There is really because he know he doesn't have the power, particular under his government.

All he sees is the rockets or whatever. But like, he sees the reaction and he doesn't see what happened to those. And as humans, we are selfish.

We see what really affects us as humans. And I cannot even imagine what I would be like to live as a palestinian. I am not even talk about that s because everybody talks about us.

But let me give you an example and i'm not gonna talk about the twelve kids killed in gaza. Let's talk about just like the four weeks in the west bank, marsh, forth, amh h ten sitting next week's father shot in a while. He's sitting in a car next with father by the idea soldiers hama's yet thirteen years old master d shot in front of A U.

N. School while sitting with his friends ham ganum eight, fifteen, march second. He shot while standing in front of his two front during, and I trade every twenty third, said that he was killed by a drone fire favorite to twenty second value, sly men killed while standing in front of the top of a red cross building a neill 你 hills had february fourteen， valentine's day, killed the shot in the head while leaving school.

Fabric eleven's mohamed hot tour, U. S. Citizens killed while being in a Parker and wide shams fabry ninth killed right in front of his home because the military car came reversing back to him. And then somebody opened the door, shot him and leave. This is a daily life of people in the west bank.

What is the the justification idea for .

right terrors, terrorists? Or I don't know, I mean, you cannot really say like human shields, but they would say they were throwing rocks. There was a guy who went on Chris rock, and he said, like his son, a us.

Citizen were killed. And like, they were thrown rocks, so we kill them. Even when they were throwing rocks, you kill him. But the thing is, you see, this is how easy for them to get rid of vaccines.

I mean, I love like I I was, I had to say I prepared a little bit for the podcast because you are in tech so and I I am eight current in tech there is a movie called the lab IT is a directed by israeli directly called uten fillon and he talks about how the the military um industry and israel is very advanced and what is really mind boggling is in that movie he shows how dud military tests its weapons in the field in urban areas on pedestal. Ian IT is hard breaking no, as a doctor there is five stages of trials. There is like is discovery, preclinical, clinical and then market and the post marketing valuation by the F D A F D A value uh approval in the F D A post market.

Five, just to take a pill, and you go in and and he introduce people as I did, you test this, and they tested in the field. So when when you, just like when human life is so is so cheap and IT is so indefensible, IT made me IT gives me a vision reaction. Because, you know, we as him, this has been actually the the the state of humanity.

Humanity have flight, lived and little survived and thrived by actually killing each other. But there was kind of america. We were remotely, we were removed from IT.

People in greece didn't know what they, Alexander, that grate was doing. He was killing a pleaching, although we call him that great, because but he was killing, he was, he was concrete. He was invading, july sister, all of the grades he was doing.

But killing was difficult. Killing had to have some, sure, you have to be with your enemy. Then you go back, catapulted canon, then a little bit back from, and then you are kind of like a remote.

Now you're killing people buying the screen with a button, with the push of a button. You know, a lot of people say terrorism. They killed you with a knife, killed one person with a knife, shot you that terrorism.

But if you fly a sixty four million dollar A F sixteen and you drop up and a eighty four bomb that cost sixty thousand dollars, that's not terris m because it's remote. You're behind the screen. So what happened? What is really doing IT is removing self. I like, like amErica to drones can. And then when you push someone to be in to, they always read out bombing them to the stone ages. What happens when the screens and all of the obstacles that you have been put between you and those people, that you have treated them this way, when this is a breach and you come face to face, you will come face to face with what you have created?

Yeah, there's A A lot of interesting things you just said. So one is the methodology of killing. If you want to look at some horrific large scale killing, people often talk about the holocaust, but that's this. Well, you can look at how or more by selling, or the murders through starvation.

by which in india.

in churchill, in india, uh, and the great leap forward by mao p, so starvation is the thing. We don't often think of IT as murder because it's quiet, it's slow. And the interesting thing about starship is that the people don't complain as they're dying because they're exhausted.

That's one. And the other is the value of human life. IT does seem that every culture has a unequal valuation of human life. So those two things combine, create a complicated, a military landscape of the world.

Yes, but the thing is, is that how we look at technology as the savior, and we talk about how we ee disrupt, we disrupt, we disrupt, we disrupt. And now if you go, you talk about, like going to the west bank, the people in the west bank walk and they don't see humans. They see people shouting them from towers or behind the screens or doing.

And they have like biometric that is developed by bastl system like this done by H P or or google and amazon who are like part of project bus. And and you see developing all of this like metric and surveilling and all of that stuff. And then you have like something like the gospel that like people have actually said that the gospel can actually create a target list using A I and give you a Green, yellow or a red to go a whole go ahead.

And now a eye is not just disrupting the market, is disrupting our humanity. And IT is we became so comfortable killing people from a far, killing people with a push of the button. And now IT is IT is like, it's like dating apps.

You know, when you when you swipe left and right, it's like up right. IT becomes so like cheap. It's not like meeting someone.

It's like a it's like a lot of fishing to sea. simple. They, I boom, five hundred people killed.

Boom, they killed. It's so easy. It's so easy. It's so easy. And then it's so far removed from you.

So when you put these people this condition, you have literally put them in a different universe than yours. You are behind in your own condition screens like pushing them, blowing up A A university. It's amazing. But then you meet the what you have done that, you meet the Frankish china that you have created and the .

people you just gave me the image of a, uh, a dating APP from hell where leaders are just .

sitting there kind of swiping.

it's bored by .

the government.

and then turn off the phone, go to the sleep. So I got trial to the west bank, and I mentioned you offline that I really loved the people there. Just you have met a bunch of people like that in eastern .

europe where grew up.

You have like the fan boy and the big personalities, all of that. I also met a .

person who.

in charge of refugee can. Who will shop an idea? Soldier and um i'm not sure the words he said are important as the consequences of the thing that you mention which is the deep hate in his eyes that was didn't feel reparable at all IT was pain was like a foundation of pain on top of that a hatred and it's like, wow, this is what you kill. You kill one person that is what you create .

because we have kind of like a front row seat to what's happening. We we think we are in IT, but we, the country, grasp IT. I mean, people like always gonna in, get out and we can not get them back in.

And most of the people get back. And how do you think they would look at you? What have you created? What have you done? My show in egypt was all about propaganda, so all about the use of world.

Words are very important that decapitated ated babies were not chosen randomly. Because you see IT IT plans a certain image in your brain. Imagine we're going in what a baby can do.

IT can smile, cry and pop as IT is absolutely north threat. So when you tell people for the babies there are so animals tic, they didn't see the babies women rate. Of course, he is able to do that. And they would go through that.

And they would, what was very frustrating about the conversation is the kish helping, the kish coping, showing you see the distractions, you see what happens, likes like what's the proportion response can as well defend itself to to condemn us. Does this has the right to exist? The capital? Babies rape women.

Why don't the arb countries take them? Why don't the room muslims s killing muslims? Look at in syria, in iraq. Like, see how they kind of distraction.

They threw the little things at you so you don't know what to do. All the honor. what? The U N, N antisemitic auto or october seven.

And then certainly you are distracted and pulled into discussing all of these little things. And you thought discussing what's happening right now. IT is basically stalling, giving them time to do what they do.

So there is a, there's some degree to the propaganda, beheaded babies and other kind of .

stuff that .

is so over the top that he shot down, actual conversation about actual wrongs, war crimes on both sides, overstating IT to wear everyone on social media, everywhere in the present, I was arguing, almost become the synthesized to actual hours of death, which are more mundane. E, they're not so .

dramatic as we headed by, because people abt that, like a knife bit goes to the skin that track here, that flashed the spine, the updated like you can just like he's that that to know you go in. This is day so much, and you know.

that's what you have made meat love. At the darkest shit, you're a such a beautiful person. Your dark humor is just wonderful. But but he says.

this happened to juice before. Remember the blood libel. Where did the blood libel come from? IT come from these rules that juice sock babies blood.

This is what they did to, it's a very delicious baby ious baby. But this is what you do. You, you tell people something. And IT happened with the native americans when they were here, when they win IT and they wipe a whole tribe. So and and viewed people, one of them like the minorities that were persecuted and had this used against them for a very long time. And that is terrible, and it's terrifying.

That's been used again. So I I just did a very lengthy debate on this .

own past time and .

a really painful thing from that to historians was he was deep storrow is fascinating, but in constantly asking about sources of hope or solutions, there is none. 是不是？ There is a sense of, like a really dark sense of is hopeless from both sides is hopeless.

Uh, so, you know, I look to you. 不是我 说说。 For source of hope. D, F, is, is there any hope here? Solutions, short term, long term.

Obama have kind of summarizes beautifully in his book. He said, the reason why the israeli palestine, an conflict is so chronic is one side have so much power and the other side have absolute power, and that's one body, said he said, like, you have israel that face business, don't listen to us because they are supported by people who are bigger than the president, bigger than administration. They know they they can.

I mean, like you obama, like nittinat who was a cotton tape many times saying like he's basically like billiton americans like I we we controlled eighty percent of the population. We don't care they this has kind of like none chand kind of like we have them and there is nothing really that compels, is right to give up anything. Because the end of day, what is compromise? Compromise like I give something, you give something.

This is not giving anything, and they project that on you. So for example, how many times have we heard like all palestine es were giving like four, five, six, seven, fifteen chances and they said no to them and yet when you read the history, that's not the case at all. Like for example, in two thousand, the whole idea about like arafat walked away from oslo.

U that didn't happen and there is an incredible video by, you know ah what is name joe score borrow with mission and they were hosting her father, uh, present. He was the uh, national security adviser and jose terrible said, like, well, you know, like ara left the old local cord and the palestinians and then brazilians are like, this is like embarrassingly shallow. It's like, listen, what happened was there was a lot of catches on the old local court.

IT was very unfair to the person. So I if I said, like, I agree, but I need to take you to the arab capitals and what and they went to, and they want to share my shape. They came to egypt, and he and huber c.

Went to there. And then he had barked, left, because there was election, and he lost. In the era, strong came and to this is one of the reason why people IT. It's kind of lake facts don't matter as much as what is the narrative that is being controlled.

but what were the biggest barriers to piece there? Do you do you think is fundamentally leaders don't want to say solution? Or was there new one small differences that, if sold, could have let us to .

to say solution? I mean, there was a maybe there was a certain point when the israeli leaders were more open to compromise. But I can say that because each time israel gives backline IT has to be, after some user force, the the one thousand nine hundred and seventy three war, the into for the first and second, the the the casuals, they never give up, blend willingly.

And because of peace, because if I have that much military can do whatever I want, why would I give up anything? I have that much power. Why would amErica or china give everything they're so powerful, and especially if they are have this kind of open ship from the united states.

So IT is, IT is really about what can IT push israel to give up something? Because you are so much stronger than me, what could compare you to give up something? And this is why the whole thing about like trying to equalize palestinians and the israel state and government IT doesn't make any sense.

So what is the source of hope? You know, john Stuart, who will talk about IT from many angles. Somebody admire a friend.

He proposed .

a tuesday solution.

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look to the comedians for hope.

Well, everybody is talking about the two stage location. But israel has said many times on twenty year how and benefit they going to be the solutions. The past is like even even if taliban came on on the on on heart talk as a maybe in the past we wanted to say solutions but like, look, time we give them and they kill so know these solutions .

and they are openly saying IT. But that's .

perhaps rorie the rorie that is supported by action because IT look at what they are doing in the the west bank that you said they are cutting its illegal settlement, peace milling IT. So how is if you have any intention and also to give them anything.

why do you keep do keep doing this? And you've call the .

a bunch of little ga. ture. What's happened? What happened? In the past four months, the palestinians have been micro dozing on IT for a very long time, little by little, little by little.

And we would shout every time when the kill gets too much, and then we shut down, and then little by little. But this time IT was hard. IT was hard to see the blatant oppression.

And the world said, maybe the hamas minister of health are giving us the bad numbers. Maybe this is human field. And I, I, I left, there's thirteen thousand babies killed. Does that me that there thirteen thousand military target hiding in their diapers because IT is so IT doesn't make any sense to kill that. My maybe is like ops out of our of him.

It's hard to know what to do with those numbers. I mean, I just got one babies enough.

But know what happens when you hear so many numbers. Numbers become numbers and you become so desensitized. And this is why there's a difference between saying thirteen thousand palestinian kissed is like milcom n and israeli baby.

Ten month he was killed in her trip and is what we hear from CNN. We never hear a story about the palestinians. why? Thank you for giving the space for saying the use of the palestinian dren that were kill just for four weeks. Do like it's because humans needs context, they need depth, they need like a three d look at what they can look at. But if you just tell numbers, uh.

is there some degree to wear both leaderships homos P A business authority, israel all want war, like perpetual war, to to remain in power there .

is that that's an interesting question. But I mean, let's admit something, the arab games in the in the area have actually used the problem of palestine in order to stay in power, in order to take getting excuses like have this enemy. And is an israeli government has used that to and maybe the palestinians, but but my problem with when going into discussion, this is that the the two sides are not equal.

They're not equal power, they're not equal in influence, and they are not equal in international support, especially by the united states. So palestinians can the people who have made changes in history, or the people with power, the people would have the ability to change things, and the palestinians cannot really change. And what what can they change?

Well, is that true though? OK with how much support the business people have. So you can just think you said there's a lot of arb states there.

They will voice their proposition position in order to distract from their their own corruption and abuses of power in their own countries. But I don't think if you look globally, there's a complete symmetry y of power and public opinion here may be in the press in the west. But if you look globally.

but do they have the same kind of weapons that they .

is really have a literally power? No, there's a major assembly of literal power.

Some money to their leaders. Does that make any difference? I mean, and also when you say palestinian authority, which authorities are talking about time as or the palestinian thora has been kind of a domesticated kind of lake, a puppy for basically have been an informed for their own on on their own people.

And this is the the thing also the kind of like, really pissed me often I was hearing the thing of they think like as as like we have nothing new tape confessing that he supported him has giving money in order to cause factions in between the pedestal. Ian, so IT just like IT doesn't you just told me this? You just told me that, you just told me in time.

like what is like? quite. I mean, to which degree is in yahoo? Represent the israeli people is a real question.

To which point is trump or bite and represent american people?

And to which degree is hamza represents about indian people.

but none of these represent IT. But who have the power in order to make their decisions? IT really comes down to that.

Well, who does have the power? Are you? You giving a lot of power? israel. But the the area league.

what your time has do, what do you think which time has do?

Continue doing what a charter says, which is trying to destroy israel. And the role of the past and people is to overthrow him off and get a more moderate leadership probably. And the role of israeli people is to vote out this right wing government and elect a more moderate leader so that there's a chance at peace with two moderate leaders.

So before having even got to control two thousand six, as there was a big one in two thousand, and and we all know what happened, and I really sure what kind of like had made, they may come up with this amazing policy of, like breaking people's h kids bones in the into father. So hill barki was also like, I mean, which one is moderate? And I think is M S is a product of what happened.

I mean, we can if if there was no appetite in in south africa, there will be no NFC. There will be no less in in paris, there will be no french resistance. And i'm not saying, and again, i'm not I I wouldn't don't want na be in a put in a position to defend hamas or anybody because you know what that that entails.

but. Those those are like hamad, again, not defending them. They went into october seven.

What was there? why? Why did they did that? Like release our hostages, the people in prison. Because if you talk about people were kidnapped, israeli kidnapped people every single day.

And when they had that at the first exchange in november of released for hundred people, three quarters of them were women and children. Why are those people in prison? There's one in four kids that are imprison that stay in solitary confinement, which is, by international law, a form of torture. And you putting kids to that .

is IT possible. So first of all, ceasefire, yes, and longer term is a possible for ap states and the united states to get together and with power. Through diplomacy and force a solution.

It's a very, very ideal solution. But you know, and I know that arab states don't have the power. All of the powers are in the hands of america.

They have the power. I would I think they have the .

power I don't .

maybe they don't want to use may be because there's .

a benefit .

like the dark. The dark sense I have is that a lot of people win from the suffering of palms ini ans are going through because they can point to that and distract from definitely that corruption, their own states. And then obviously iran can benefit also from the same kind of dynamic distracting from the the authorities nature of the regime.

definitely. But what is the core of the problem here is that the ab states using the suffering, or the actually the the, the suffering itself and the sufficing, comes from people being displaced. Their homes were taken away.

There are seven million palestinians in the aspire, seven millions. Seven millions went out there. And now they're living in canada, in american europe.

They at homes there, they cannot go back to one point seven million people of the people in gaza don't belong in gaza. They were push from other places. The the peace meal thing of people are being, you know, in in germany.

I am going to shift gear a little bit, is going to be a little bit fund there is there is a book that I bought the right to too, and I want to turn into a movie. And I bought I option the right for two month for for two years in martial last year, before october seventh, after otobu seventh, I book the permanent right. That book is called the muslim nature, and IT is written by another cold drone in stank.

I read an asked about this book in two thousand and sixteen, and I chase that book for rights for seven years. I didn't have that much money, but I want that book. And that book was translated to english called anna dog.

And my, and that book tells the credible story under nazi germany, where arabs went in droves to berlin in one thousand nine hundred and twenties, after the first war, war in the viral republic. And they became doctors and engineers and journalists because, for two reasons, number wanted to stir cheap, very cheap, because of the inflation. And two, a lot of the arid nations didn't want to send their kids to to england or france because they were the occupiers.

And doctor hand me was the hero of that. He's an egyptian doctor, and that's why kind of like a person kind of connected with them. And he went to school.

A medical school didn't find a place to live. So he lived in the jewish cato. Like many arabs, he didn't find the school to work at. Hospitals work. And so he worked in a jewish hospital.

So these are, there was a lot of the virus who lived with the the cattle, and actually the first director of the berlin mosque with the jewish convert converted to islam. And he was a gay activist. I'm telling this is A A crazy story yeah and this is all, this is not a fiction story.

This not, this is actually a canon fiction. Threaten actually based on the statement and documents of the native and stable doctor amy. He was in the hospital and denied he's came in and they killed and tortured and beat up the jewish doctor.

And he made, they made him ahead of his department. Then he was. So now he is surrounded by another doctor. They didn't touch because he was an arab.

That was kind of like a thing between germany and the arab because they wanted to add peace to them in order to have kind of a, uh, a grass road base in the arab board where he want to go next. And this is why nineteen and thirty four, thirty five, five, the racing laws of norm berg, they had the name change. First they were called antisemitic.

Then they change into antigua because also airs were semey. So they wanted to apps. The arabs. Now, what happened to her? Help me. When that happened to him, he would go back to together, and he would see the apartments next to him.

The jew's apartment become more and more and more flooded with people, because they were moving jews and pushing them and putting them together, pushing them to the side, and each, each plate, each flat, each apartment, instead of one family, would have three, four, six, seven families. And he was there when at home, and he looked, he was, he was there. This is where the people he grew up with, he, he lived with.

Now he seen that kind of discrimination just because he was in her. And then he, he started to kind of like a tone for like because he felt responsible, because he wasn't treated the same way. And he started to go and treat huge people in their homes because they couldn't go to hospitals.

And then one family gave them, his daughter is like, this is anna saher. He he took her, pretended that cheese his knees, put a hey jab a around her, taught her arabic c called her naa, my daughter is name, by the way. And they, and and he hit her in plain sites for seven years in front of them, access as his ers.

It's an incredible story. And then not just that, he went to prison and then he went out and he formed with the arab people that was in prison with him in network that says three hundred tues. See that kind of story.

This is the juice that were living in the airboat. I'm not saying that the juice living in airport board was living like an an incredible life called as a kind of minority. They did not have like the full power of the full.

They know advantage of the rule. And that's that's Normal. But we had this kind of a relationships before israel was erected in nineteen forty eight. And and of course, everybody looked at you that detailed at a terminal as fifth column. Of course, the nationalistic regimes used that.

And this is why what biden said was very dangerous when he said, if there is no israel, no, you in the world will feel safe. You are the leader of the few words you are. The presence of the annoyance is, do you mean that you are telling me that they choose in your country in the annoyance is for amErica not safe? That is wrong in two left.

Number one, america, historically and right now, is more safe to juice in amErica in in the world than more than anybody. They are safe than to use in israel. They never had programs or or the hole holes like euro.

They live here a good life, not perfect life, but they are Better. Second world, if you are the president and you're telling that a group of people will not feel safe unless there's different, you are already feeding into, there are fifth column. They like your russian.

You come from there. And there is a group of laws in the russian constitution that says that russia will protect its citizens everywhere in the world. What happens if the presence is like of your russians? You're protect my own country. Don't belong here.

This is terrible. Yeah you right is actually indirect threat. I yes um you know even saying muslim cannot feel safe in amErica something like this that means like a that's a threat .

what would a jewish person in beverly hills or in in in in brooklin fee if he hears that you are already telling people you need to have a loyal to israel? I mean israel is a foreign I am sorry, but israel is a foreign country. Israel is a client country that we sponsor. And IT is should actually be responsible and health accountable for what they do.

You mention nineteen, forty eight and upper, but before that forty one, thirty nine, forty one to forty five, the holy cause. What do you do? What do you do with the holidays? Like what um how do you incorporate into the calculus? Ah yeah of what's a of morality that that leads up to the displacing of seven hundred thousand a palestinians from the land.

Have you worked? That is terrible but like I mean what the systemic anio lation of judge people underneath I that is like like a carefully engineer thought for plan IT was terrible. IT was like kind of like the human engineering you put into, like something that is very evil.

But also IT is not just, not just that happened. We need we we need to remember that auto Frank, the father of ana Frank, has his VISA refugee VISA rejected by the united states. There is a lot of people that were rejected by their own sets, rejected by other european countries, and then they were pushed into palestine. So you have to put yourself into the lake and that there was, okay, we're sitting here. Okay, come and then.

Alright, you don't have A A home or a country anymore that that that that gives you I mean, you see if i'm not an arab and you give me that kind of piece of like terrible human traits like, oh god, that is terrible but then i'm an arab like, i'm so sorry, but what do I have to do with that? What why is that my fault? The persecution of the jews.

H people have started since the eighty eighth century because they were like, they were first anti Christians. They were like, but criminal immigrants. They were like conspirators.

This is the the like people kind of like as as if europe kind of like throw anti semitic manners, you understand? Like Henry ford. Henry ford is one of the biggest.

Until he was, he was the the inspiration for adult filter. This is how and this matic, very ford was, and you kind of lake gloss over that. And then suddenly we as arap, have to pay the Price. why?

Several question I want to ask them so, but one is, zoom ing out. What do you think hatred of juice has been such a viral kind of idea throughout human?

His ow is very easy. IT all started from Christ, china of Christ, as a very, yeah, that was, and that stayed for years, that statement, centuries and sorry, centuries. They're the killer of cries.

And then the cat, the church do not allow, usually, but they would work unusual. So they become rich. Now, the people that we hate, that we accuse them of feeling cries are becoming rich.

So that's envy now. And that's that and and that's hatred and me. I mean, when you talk about geos, gatos were not just as included parts in city.

Sometimes those gatos were outside the cities. Use were not even allowed to work. A lot of professions, they were not allow to get into the syndicate of certain professions.

So they had to go work to usual. And they got rich. So people hated them more.

The first, the first crew said, didn't kill a single muslim. All they killed were juice. And when they find their arrived to jeju ism, all they killed were juice.

They they almost analogy the choice. So IT was all this. And of course you have the dark ages.

Who do you need them as an enemy to choose, right? There's the killing of cries. There's nothing bigger than this and then you you fast forward. I mean, one of the things that I that I found out that was very, very, very, very cris, when Henry ford imported the the protocols of the elders of iron, by the way, in the arab board, protocols of the elder of zone is so poor.

And for obvious users and ever, the people who don't know if it's kind of like a bunch of the stories and basically is like the the you say, and what is what people don't know that the that is a work of pledge ism. IT was pledge zed from a thetel play called conversation and held between makey and and montescue. And IT is just IT IT is and that is kind of like based on one chapter or one scene .

IT IT is crazy, but it's crazy sticky IT is like.

that's where because if I if I hate you, that's great. But if I have a story to support that.

that's even Better. But it's like one of them, one of the best stories, one of the sticky stories about, hey, good is probably the the most effective. I say there are you know a lot of peoples, te other groups of peos, but that that's just like .

the sexist story because humans need to concentrate their hate, their insecurities and their shortcomings into one thing that they can practice that that hate on. If it's a, it's a, it's a person, great. If it's a group, even Better.

right? How do you into this calculus incorporate that? The that group is pretty small, sixteen million jews worldwide. And you mention, how's that with the respons ibt of the era peos? You know, everybody should be to blame for not taking and juice after the the, but you know, the reality of the situation. If we look at the religious life of this, there is sixteen that, say, million jews, and there's my muscles for one point eight billion yp, how do that difference? That a hundred six difference, to incorporate that into the sense of juice and israel might feel for, you know, the existential dread that we might this, the small group might be destroyed.

join israel, have every right to feel afraid because of everything that they see and everything they're been told, everything. But I, I, I would say that the characters of the numbers doesn't like, of course, like being small. IT is of course the factor.

But IT is never an excuse in order to take something that's not yours. It's saying, like, k, you have three hundred million americans and we have fifty two, fifty suits. Give once the other is too many of them. Too many of you just give them something.

You know, it's like the fact that I have something and you don't and I have, there are too many of me and there is little of you and then you come in and and it's not really isn't against the arab ard or the muslim world because we have to say we worked out big time. But IT is the the palestinians that are in and they are being subjected to that. So it's not really like the one point eight billion and the sixty million jews at at one point eight billion.

If you look at them, some of them like don't care. Some of them live into regimes that being oppressed and those dreams are supported by the united states in order is easier for me as as as an empire, to to take what I want from this country if I control the dictator. And I tell them that his power is linked to my ability to, to, to my, my desire to keep him in power. So that's why you have a total disconnect between people in power in in the urban, the muslim countries and .

the people themselves. Can you speak the nineteen forty eight? You know, because you mentioned taking land that's not yours.

Maybe parallels .

with native americans. Yeah, there was a war. The the jewish minority fought that work in several other states. And one that war, how do we incorporate that into the caffs?

Yeah well, that's also a misconception like a misinterpret of the event because IT seems that IT was uh like the small that is kind of like a David and good life kind of story. But and I was always like, how did we how did we not do that? But in in reality, with numbers, uh, I I can't pull IT up right now.

But if you look at the numbers, the number of tanks, the plains, the the trained officer, because those many of those juice fighters came from more or two, there were season fighters, and they actually had more planes, more tanks, more actually, more pieces of weapons, more of the all of other combined, because they, the people that treated like thought was egypt. And you have so nineteen forty eight, some many of those air conditions even have their independent. So they would kind of like and like a or look at people in horses.

But in fact, the whole ideas, like we won against seven nations, the numbers were total in israel favor. They were Better equipped. They were Better trained. They were, they had like more tanks and an artillery and and and and planes, and they plan, plan Better. So they, yes, they deserve to win because they plan.

And we did so to use as an a simple military power even. But what do you do with the fact that the war was won? So like if you look at the history of the world, there is worse thought overland.

that I agree with you. This has been the history of humanity. Humanity was not living peacefully.

It's all about that. People taking people and detAiling people taking their and but there's two difference here. Mostly usually. The conquering power play, for example, england, they had england, and they conquer in india, and after the occupation, finish to go back to land, france, greece, burger, egypt, they will have going expand and extract, expand and drink, and also been there. What is different here is exactly what happened in australia and the united states.

A group of people came in not just to conquer and take the land, but to completely changed, to replace them and get them out or kill them. IT was very easy with the indians because they had small parks. There was no social media.

They did IT to over four hundred years. They had time. The problem is what is happening right now. I agree with you. IT might not bad to be that new, but we are there and we watching IT happen.

And so now we have to confront the realities of war and empire because we know .

what's the problem. We told ourselves we can be Better. Yeah, after forty eight, there was the universal declaration of human rights.

IT means that we are gonna be Better humans. We not gonna kill and take plan. We're not gone to displace people.

You're not gna take people for there. There's now laws. There's international laws, international court of justice. And now israel is giving the midst finger to all of them.

So isn't some fundamental way. This whole thing they were talking about is us as a civilization on social media, in in a in the articles and books, in a in newspapers, were just trying to figure out who are we as a people.

I I think the the shock came from the fact that we thought that we as humanity have evolved, and now we are. What have actually change is that we became more advanced in effectively eradicating a group of people because of the accolade that we have, and the fact that we can do that under the eyes and ears of all the war that we are watching IT under the phone. We have a window.

We have a window to the war. You know, nineteen forty five people didn't know what, what is happening in japan. what? Well, we heard about the radio forces came in and they launched, we don't know.

We heard that we may be. We saw pictures after that and it's quite added. But now we see IT where into IT and IT is IT is so much for our for for our psyche and we can get IT and and that the arms are elected.

Guys, you told us we came to the west because we were told that we were equal. You know, the universe declaration, right? One of the co authors, his name is defend hassle. He said, joe, he is a survivor of the holy cost.

And you know what happened to him? He died, by the way, a couple of years ago, but he, before he died, he was cancelled by so many people, and he was called antisemitic because he joined the B. D.

S. movement. And he spoke to baLance, that is the author of the universal declaration of human rights that we value so much.

And we think that that would define our humanity. But then we go in and we are shocked, like maybe we were sold something, maybe that full advertisement. You shared .

a tweet when an account called awesome jew, uh, IT reads is lamonti median bosome use of dian? Yes.

course ony lamely an bosom .

use of is not denying that. So I love that you retweet like this like twice yeah I guess suppose because it's advertising some upcoming dates, he's not denied a cover seven the muslim radical bosom use of his toys for his radical radical at twice for his radical hair of juice and israel.

In a recent clip, he claims that the atrocities commit on actor, where some of the fabricated were looking for all information regarding any of his upcoming shows, as well as the venues which hosts this combined. Would you feel safe around this name? Nazi, yeah, i've never this. My first time interviewing a nac.

no, first time I actually get called in that first time, first time I have been called so many things in egypt. So in egypt I was called A C I, A Operative. And most had spy secret, muslim brothers od secret, a secret, too secret.

you. There was also an article that was published about me in the state on media saying in details how basin has been uh recruit by C I A agents using john's stewards in order to use the ata to bring down the country. I was a free Mason and infinite um uh a member of the the the the nights of the temple, something like that.

And there is actually people that the muslim, the food on their show, they would say like his action, israel and they have forged and egypt I D for him to come. So it's kind of like when, I guess, like I I said, I had, I left all of that behind and I come here like, boom, antisemitic nazi. I mean, I really covers everything. I don't know what else. I mean, I think it's kind of like i'm collecting and just like getting like all of these credits.

And how do you do with that? How do you deal with the attacks? I mean, this goes back to the decision to do the interview with peers moran. Like how how do you like psychologically? They are all of IT.

These kind of attacks at the beginning is fun, but when they evolved into something else, so for example, I was like lighting of all of the stuff about calling me is calling me that. But then when people would come in and thread the feature because it's not the people who are making those accusations that would come to you with the people that will hear and see those exactly accusations and act on IT.

And there's always the fear of like, I mean, we have we have in the area board a lot of things like somebody he would hear something about someone else and go kill him and whatever, like anybody else. So there's this. But somehow I wanna make fun of IT and and IT is to be cold and that and islam, when I see IT must be the funniest thing ever.

Because does anyone? You, wow, how did you? How did you an erratic muslim? Me, a lot of isms take me. They look all me, a secular, infinite.

So is kind of like, who are my? Maybe I have an identity crisis, and I need the people to tell me who I am. 嗯。

let's go to the beginning. Let's go to your childhood. You grow up in egypt. Carol gypt. Well, let's figure out how you came to be who you are.

How do you become at this? lemon? Uc.

exactly so long journey. I do like the swat attack on your ass, which I didn't.

How did you see my IT?

You know what you did, I know what you did. IT is very approve. You are also obviously a sexual harassment.

This isn't like a me, this like twenty, twenty or someone would come off like, okay, that this is .

your me to moment, all right. So the Carol, what's what's A S A M defining memory? Positive negative from your childhood?

My memory in general was was cool. IT was cool. I went to a catholic h uh school until the for primary school, elementary.

And by time I had done that was kind of like a start of a decline into the public, public education. And my parents, they are like middle class working officials here by dad was a judge. My mom was a business professors, and SHE said. And they were like one of the people, like, they didn't have that much of luxury. My dad, like, drove like a regular like car, a fiat, which is like the equivalent for the ladder in the thank you.

Thank you for me to .

the audience. And so .

would that be a good car?

No kind of kind of like the minimum. And my dad was not a command of of of showing off you whatever money they would do. They would put IT for us education, give everything to the this is kind of like a very, very typical mentality.

And i'm sure it's many cultures. But like we grew up with this, like everything that we have. This left rics, so they will put this in education.

So middle schools, that was the one hundred and eighty six, was the beginning of the explosion of, like international schools, private schools. And these schools were relatively expensive, of course. Now with today's currencies, ridiculous. But at that time, IT is very expensive.

So I went to that school and from there was this moment, like you feel less right away and people, of course, there is the the regular bullying and self, but it's it's not that it's kind of like you always feel less. You don't have that much of like purchasing power the way to go to the same ouglat traveled with demand even like how you guess that would be more than compared to them. So I was always an outsider.

I was, and I compensated with that by two things, being good at and being good at sports. So I was not like, the typical note was just like that was like I was playing football, basketball, creating field. And I was like, one of the people would like to have me on their team.

So I wasn't like, kind of like he's in there getting away. But I never had a girlfriend. I never had any kind of I was not like I was not boyfriend. Erie, so that kind of lake IT IT leaves reminds in you that you're not good enough, but psychological.

You are always like when you buy yourself, you felt like an outsider.

yes, all the time. And that's why it's kind of like a more of a longer I don't have a lot of logical friends have acquitted these people that I do stuff with that like the people, like everything when I went to medical school. Now medical school is a different animal.

Medical school is where all of the people from the public schools go. Public schools are very like they are not they they don't have like they don't have english uh language as like a strong part, but they are brilliant people. So because they would mostly study in erik, but they are brilliant and they are very, very, very smart, very sharp.

But then I will go there. Now I am the sisi boy from the private schools that comes into medical school. Now i'm an outsider again. And I go into A, I go into residency and I pick up some some so now i'm a self a teacher while being a cordial assist uh uh surgery resident and i'm an outsider for the third time because in salsa i'm kind of like the respectful doctor and in resident i'm the guy who is just dancing so and everything.

Of course, as a advertising reason, you will mess up a lot yeah so they would also like opticals were dancing all because you don't care about medicine and you just like want to go there and that's what women which is good yeah but and so all of my life, I felt that i'm an outsider. I'm not part of the team. I'm not part of the court roup.

So and and I have as as too low. Right before my residency, I was so much into success, all of the money, and you saved that. And I was working in summer, and I was doing extra jobs, and I took that money, and I went to miami in order to to learn away the casing, which is the cuban kind of like circle cela kind of think. And I and I went there in the summer of two thousand and one, and my return tickets was nine, twelve, two thousand and one.

The sounds of humor.

I had nine, twelve. I was supposed to be on a prinking back. What happens? Thank that. I ran out of money ten days before that. Just like, right, I changed my ticket and I came back nine, eleven.

I'm kind of like, I see my mom where where one one thing and I see like the two tower for like, almost like, oh, you're here, you're here. You are here 这个 that and I was like， I was like, I should I could have been in one tanami right now. Yes.

black and one twelve.

And by the way, I was in miami were when they went to the the flying school in miami. So I mean, I I had like eleven written all over my place to be .

all over the news.

And I was like White he went to to then. So I don't know that he is like a name for.

Why, sala, why did that attract you and what like, can you explain what is? So I mentioned, you all find that a little bit tying.

trying to learn. Yes, some. But marrying, it's kind like that. And dances and like, know, I know, know you cried. That s like a couple of dance, let them beat.

And I did IT because I once, and I talk about that about in my army, tend the english. Talk like how I was, you know, I didn't have like, really like a great like social life. And I my friends went there one day and and I get going to a place which is IT was called, i'll get to a grow.

No, no, IT was called big fat, like push cat. And then I think they they thought to be like crisis or something that should change to get to negga p anyway. so.

Great, great, no great decision. I know.

So I went, there is dam music and women and my doctor, a doctor dancing, so that that is a chick magnet. We know we do, you know we do everything for for that even even power, even money have been .

talking about .

with the end of the day that approval from the other sex. We are, we are babies. We we are terrible people.

So of course, like, I mean, that was like, that was like, great. But then I as as a nerd, I went and so hard, and now I became a self, a teacher. yeah. And I earned more money from south more than I did as a doctor.

I know this party that I don't know.

I was, I was making, I was making killing amount of money, like huge him out of money. And I I would just like our goal, finished my, my, my shift. And I go to the south a class.

And sometimes I would have like seventy people in my family class. Oh, wow. I had like the biggest of less in egypt, the beginning two thousand.

And IT was fantastic and IT was an outlet because you go there and there's the shifts and people dying them. Any good. You must be good.

I was. I was okay. I was cool. I was fun.

There were people Better than me. But I, I, I have, I think about teaching. I like teaching people.

So you mention heart surgery. So what will motivate to become a doctor?

IT was a choice of exclusion. I mean, there's nothing else you can do with this high grades, other and doctor engineering. I hate math, so go be off. This is the middle east.

What do you expect this either? Like in my joke, in my show, I said like there's IT can be one of three things in limit is a doctor and engineer or disappointment that is that is the choices that you have. So years after you.

You dam good at that is a hard pass though yeah and it's it's a fascinating can I tell you something?

Yes, that actually was thinking about why did I actually go to medicine and why did I always choose the hard think? So I didn't love IT, and I have to tell you had any piani only two weeks ago, and I don't know if that's actually related or not. You know, remember when I told you went to this schools and I didn't have that much money and I didn't have the luxury of time or money to be with those people and do what they do.

So by the time I finish school and everybody was going to university, all everybody in my schools went to the A, U. C, the american university course private 来， like american education party time. Like, I mean, of course they're brilliant and everything, but they have they they have a different you know social life and part of me now I I kind of lake I realized that just like very, very recently, maybe I went to the hardest scholes ever.

So I don't have space to use other than studying because if I have that much space, what i'm gonna with IT, I don't have that much treatment, don't have that much money. I'm not I can keep IT with those people going out. So maybe I need a solid excuse that I mean a place where I don't have that .

much of a spare time is IT also possible? What I know is the third position is also possible that you always just pick the harder than I do.

Maybe.

but maybe that appears Morgan thing too. Maybe.

but like when I left egypt, I came here, I still had the choice to go back to medicine. But I hate IT IT. I hated medicine traumatize me the amount of, like you give up, you know, my my brother in egypt, he had a daughter.

She's a brilliant basketball player. He is in the national team. amazing. I would. I used to play basketball also in the egyptian league, but I never, I was going like my favorite position in the court was the bench, and I was not as good as her. But SHE.

And then and then he IT was time for her to go into into college. And he he didn't talk to me for six week. That is what, what's happened to fera? Which college like I didn't want to tell you he wanted to do.

I don't. Madison, why did you? Because he knows how I hated that I was done to, which is a basketball player. But I go like on easy schools. So that kind you did.

did IT. I still did IT.

But I don't know, is that because of the difficulty or because because of what I told you? Maybe I needed something, maybe because I was not very confident in my social life, so I needed a distraction not to be to have that much of a city. Oh w OK, you understand ah it's kind of because I would have an exam. I something I am and I don't know. I kind of like self sabotage my own thing because I couldn't compete with with those people on on the outing and the money, whatever is what I need an excuse to be just like all .

he's a doctor's studying, I listening your .

mind you can compete. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I, I always felt as less because I mean, I I didn't have any gar friends in in, in, in school.

I had a very little life. Everything couldn't to me came to life. So I always felt even stand up comedy IT came very late to me in life.

So I always feel that i'm not good enough. I feel that I didn't spend the time of to fill the foundation that other comedians do. So I always feel that I am too lucky. I always feel that this is a fleeting thing.

And when I won't had the the the height and the fall the fall of in egypt, and I would like the top of of everything I was like so so favour and then everything was taking away from me. That's like, I see I told you that happens when you don't build foundation, you fall. So I always feel that I, that I am not good enough, or if I am in a position where people think I am deep inside, I am not.

Do you know that I have a speech implement that I was not meant to be A T V presenter? I have an r an area week is very obvious. I cannot roll my hours, I cannot say, or I cannot all IT.

So in arab c like spanish e's very obvious. So when I did my first video on the internet that made me famous, and then I got my television deal back there in egypt, my partner at the time, he took the video, and you went to reproduce this. Are you giving me a guy with lip? He could.

He should. That's why when I came on television, I was the first ever guy with the lip. I had two things going for me, the lisp and the big nose. And I was always bullied for two, for these two all the time, so I always felt less.

See, but that's the foundation of like creating a great person .

because if you're pretty, you don't need to do what I probably .

wouldn't recommend IT. But IT is IT is .

true that so if you are pretty, do some disfiguring.

find the flaws and and be extremely self critical about them. So you saw Jones do on T V for the first time and not two thousand to be believe. How do I change your life?

I was in a gym and I was running on the trade mild. And at that time CNN was coming up for, unlike on cable, uh, and I was watching. And there is this to you.

I don't know what that is. So I put the the earphones on and I started to watching, and I was so taken by this that I stopped the treatment. And I just like that stood for the to when you minutes like this on the treatments.

And then I and I just like standing there. I didn't know what we all was used saying. I didn't understand what is 就是我 的 those names that he say what this fox news。

I don't know that, but I was fascinated. There was something, you know, when you don't understand them, music, but you get rhythm. It's that I wonder .

what that is that you saw. It's like the timing of the humor. I mean, there is john is one of a kind like his biting criticism of power. I would say .

I did references, but this is me the rythm the you know, sometimes when you even see like a comedy, that is that the language you don't send. But there's a rhythm, there's something, there's something in the music there. So there is something with the videos and the pictures and he and the face and people reacting, yeah, what is this? Yeah, what is this? And we had the the global edition.

So I went to the youtube, but I just like started to kind of like watch every single episode that I can as I like, do you think we can have to in egypt? And never. And then twenty eleven, like I had a friend of mine who was also a youtube partner to something new at the time, is like, let's do something on interest. Do, do ray? William Johnson, john will .

not.

And, and, and I and I and I did IT and I IT can talk .

about twenty eleven. I mean, what what is the air spring? What is IT? A people here in america, you know.

depends on which side .

something happen.

depends, depends which side of of the equation you are. Because for a lot of people in circumstance acy, it's american made. IT is the muslim brothers.

D IT the islamic IT is israel, everything else other than people, but just a pure revolution is a here. I, I, I, I think we put too much weight on conspiracies. I think IT is no human behavior that then become get, may be used to abused or taking advantage by other powers.

And then to construct you starts. But at the time, the arb spring didn't start in egypt. T started in tunisia by A A fruen's or blow like burned himself up, uh, like the american soldiers that a few days ago.

And that kind of Sparked protest in tunisia. And ben ali was a dictator in tunisia for about twenty years, and they removed them. So suddenly IT was kind of like dominoes CT. So then egypt started. And and I just took eighteen days, and you know, people, hinde is twenty twenty and said, like, you know, just bari became like a burden on the military because the military of the really rulers of the country, you you might have a present that kind of like have certain powerful. But at the end of the day, when the military sees that a certain presence is like too much of a burden, too much of like a, you know, so like they cut him off.

Ea bark is a leader view .

at the time he was there. Thirty years, thirty years.

by the way, speaking with because there was a joke and you mark twin speech I got, I just watching that I was great. You're like, fucking great. Like you did the remark, twenty awards for job is great. I mean, your comedy is great in general. And I wanted to go to your show, I definitely, but that is like a little strong and the complete tangent of just the master of introduction and .

celebration or Johnson. Anyway, mobile to do also like what I had like was the president for thirty years. Like, oh, god, had a president for thirty.

Like is the middle use is a very short first time. Like it's like still warming up, warming up. And we need to plan ahead. We need to plan our our our our vacations, our careers, our jail time. It's just like we need to.

So so we had .

kind of like the shortest nice revolution eighteen days, and we, oh eight, but of course are not even. And we had this kind of hope. So mobile les removed.

There was an intern period by the military took for one year than they did elections. Muslim brother came to power the state for for one, one, one year. And then the military removed them. And in these three years my show started. I started by, kind of like a youtube video.

became famous overnight.

overnight, five, five to six video, boom went out. And at that time I was waiting to get my clearance to go to cleveland. I, I, I always accepted in the fellowship as a pigeons or surgery in in a hospital leave.

And and I said, like, do a couple of videos, maybe going to put in an internet and maybe after a year or two, after I came back from the fellowships, somebody come, hey, why don't you write? I show that looks like john. That was my took five weeks.

I had my first contract of video television. And overnight, the exposure. And over a year, the next two, three years, I had thirty to forty million people watch, thirty to forty thousand million people watching every episode. A lot of things like, wow, that's so much that is terrifying. Yes, because IT means that there are thirty million people who have an opinion about you.

You said there is a lot of aspects of that sudden theme.

They were just xx. It's a nature, natural that when people started to recognize me in the street and take pictures, I was awkward, like, why do you want to have a picture to me? why? Why is this? Because I didn't feel that I am more than enough to be like a reward for some of the picture.

And I didn't understand that I was actually, I was kind of an ask sometimes because people thought I was arrogant. No, IT was confusion. And I remember, like my director and my producers and people are, they always saw me in a very bad mood, like, why are you? Why are you not enjoying? This is like, because this is not natural.

This is not natural. This adoration is love and just have to end somehow. And IT is and in because at at a certain point you are human. You and people kind of the addiction and the fun and the love comes because they see you saying stuff, because you do your job.

Basically, political tire is basically us making fun of politicians in the meeting 一天。 And a lot of people have a lot really strong opinions about politicians in the media. So we can that, we articulate that and we give you to, and we, we can laugh.

So for them, we made a great job. So why don't you do more? But you are limited, and at a certain time you can, and a certain time you are afraid because we are humans, because you are RAID about like, if I continue speaking up, not like something would happen to me. I'm kind of like maybe have some protection because and folk people will see me, but what the people around you and we i've seen that. So that's why the certain points like that is I I think there's .

a lot of things to say there. But one of the difficulties of fame in your situation as you're not just having fun, your criticising power yeah and .

and and and and IT is loved by the people. But IT comes with the Price because at a certain if the power is too strong and you are not into a situation or a system that allows that, that gives you that kind of safety.

So what happened?

What I happened, I was so when, so the height of all my fame and what the muslim brothers were, brotherhood, was empowered. And at that time they had their media. And I had one show.

I had, like, one hour per week. And they had five channels, twenty four, seven, and they were lake, you know, john was said that beautifully. One is like, we say shit and you say shit, and we just say shit Better than you.

This is exactly what Jones like, just Better. We were Better at saying, should back you so so basically had one hour and they had like the five thing that they were like, they're calling me all kind of name, not just me, like all their enemy, you know. And then I just had one hour and I would kind of like ani them in one hour.

So at certain point they would they would even like kind of be decide with the army against the the the kind of the the liberal sectors, whatever you call IT. And at a certain point the army kind of like fit everybody, like kind of like they removed the most brother hood. They came to power.

And we, I, I, I have to say, I admitted I supported that in the beginning because I had daily threats. I had, I was actually interrogated in the recent on the muslim brotherhood. I was in in an interaction for six hours, and they were asking all day my jokes. And I used that in my stand of comedy, describing exactly what happened six hours. And IT is so funny.

Okay, well, that but what is slowed out? You were not targeted by the prosecutor, the different .

prosecutor and IT was based because of complaints by the the officials in the government because in order the gender prosecution do IT has to have a high Mandate to bring that person to questioning.

they want to kind of official channels.

Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. So yeah. IT was official IT. So so I was there and and I and I asked, and it's kind of the culture like insulting and slam in president spreading full summer, and I want there.

And who was funny because I go into the building with his police officers and their judges, and all of them are big fans of the show, and some of them were taking pictures of me. And then I am sitting there. And IT was the most ridiculous interview effort because he was asking me about my jokes, like, what did you mean? But this stroke is like nothing.

IT was there for six hours. He just reading, he was reading my, and he's reader jokes. And the junior judge is sitting there cracking up as the I remember that is like dark is kind of .

like I .

am laughing, but in the same time, like the whole situation is ridiculous. But then at the end, I was released on bail. So I went back to my show, and I make fun of that.

And you have to be honest, the most brother's were in power. But egypt, like right out of the revolution, for those kind of like an equal spread of power between the people. There was not like someone who come mine.

And just like the most brother, we didn't have that power yet. But they were kind of people saw that. They were moving towards that, and then the tension rose.

And then there was like a kind of A A confrontation between them and the army. And then a lot of people were killed in the street. That was terrible massacre.

And and then suddenly I am blame for all of that. Like, you made fun of us. So now IT made IT easier for people to kill us.

Like, do IT come on, you're doing that. Me too. I just did IT Better than you. And the fact that you decided with the same people that flipped against you, that's not my food.

Did you criticize the army? Old.

yes. So after that show, I did like one episode against the army and I was cancel the next day. And then I went to another channel, did sixteen episodes in a difference season, and I was I was walking on excells. And then if that was canceled again and then my the production company that was doing my show, that we severed the ties because we then have the show, they had their their offices rated that have people like having this is.

So I woke up one day, eleven of november two thousand fourteen, and my lawry said, like, leave the country right now there is this legal case that we that that they kind of like they are coming for you but I said, like, you cannot lose an arbitration case and I lost against my, my, the channel that basically cancelled me and but there is no jail time in arbitration as likely I till that to the judge is leave so I I jump. Ed, on a plane that verdict, twelve, noon, eleven, november five afternoon, I was on a plane, lifted egypt, never came back. System.

was there a worry of non legal things like assassination?

I can tell you something, I was so stressed because of the show, because of everything. I sometimes I would wake up in the morning and I hope that the bullet will come and finish everything because I was so stressed. It's like I would love because i'm too much of a chicken to kill myself. So I would like rather have someone else do IT for me. So, uh, I, I, I, I was so under so much pressure and I remember red the day that, like, my show was cancelled indefinitely the second time under the army.

And I was like, I don't have to worry about what kind of script I have to write next week because this you know, remember when you asked me about like that tweets but like all of the say this accusation does some other me infighting by, uh, secretary of the lemon, that seat, that's project. What is really what really leaves a mark is the criticism to your craft and you work. So if you not funny goes deeper.

he has certain things get you Better than others, especially if you have like a secret suspicion that you are like, maybe not funny.

maybe i'm not because I was put in the that like because that told you insecure, like I know but you shouldn't .

say yes you shouted.

say true, that lot.

But what about the weight of the responsibility of speaking truth to power? So like walking on, eg. shells. I, what did I feel like? Well.

after the musing brothers d were removed, I said, like when the military could happen. IT was a very popular cool, like people love the army in the egypt. The army is more sacred than religion.

People love their people. Army can wrong. So the me going against the army was, I mean, the most worthless.

D was not very popular. They were popular before their own basis. But people accept the fact that, like, we make fun of them.

But see, at that time, he was a god. And I used to go to this high class club called desire club. And this is basically kind of like the kind of upper midi class, upper class kind of people.

And I, during the data of the most brother hood, I was the most popular ever. People come, yeah, when the military came in, people were walking to me like pointing the singers like, don't speak about, don't speak about the army. We love you now, but don't you? You would like that.

So I cool jn stuff like I don't know to do. I don't know what to do. At that time, all of the channels were like, close down every all of the people.

I was the only one left because IT was difficult for them to get rid of me very quickly because I was too popular. IT was kind of like, peace, peace, million kind of like, go. And I remember that I don't know to do. He said, like, you don't have to do anything, just your safety comes first and said, but I can't I mean, i've been doing that for two years and I cannot just like, say bye. Ye guys have a responsibility of a team. I have people working for me and I also, I cannot just like disappear and he said, the most interesting thing ever, I say, if you're afraid of something, make fun about the fact that you're afraid of IT instead of talking about that something.

yeah.

So there was like a whole episode. We did not even mention cc, we not even mention, but individuals do.

And the whole episode was me trying to avoid talking to about him and that how the committee was created, the fact that I don't want to be here and then I know so he said, like if you will be surprised how people can relate to that, because if there a lot of kind of like we ve, we feel we cannot speak so just by doing this simple thing about marry the society. That goes a long way, and I kind of try to do what I can under the military. And they came up with a machine that treats aides and hepatitis virus, and basically every single.

And I went to town with that because people think he doesn't really have to go in to go to the bigger post. Like you're nice. No, you talk about their propaganda.

You talk about what they want people to perceive them at, and it's a failure. And for that, that kind of help them even more because what what do authoritarian figures do? They work on two things, fear and propaganda. And from that, IT gets the respect. So when you go into their propaganda and expose them, they have nothing else.

brilliant. So like you are walking on actuals, but you're doing IT mystery fully that you're revealing sort of the the flaws in the proper and the ability problem.

And this is why comment is very specific because people, you not as hard on him as you are. The muslim brother? Yes, because on the museum we were like, just like to each other. But now the the the ceiling was like here so it's kind of like how can you .

do something from here here exactly as the art form yeah in in soviet union understand ling the a lot of the criticism came from like children stories and ah and children's cartoons.

double meaning w in the window stuff that means other stuff. You brilliant.

but everyone knows, everyone knows .

because .

you are like putting a your area in the society is faster.

And that's why I was canto twice.

And that is a scary on the army. You you see ukraine, everybody supports the army. That's why the asking again, getting rid of the head of the army was a big, big deal. It's a really dangerous thing because everyone's everyone's afraid they saying the negative about the army, especially doing war in that case, in this case, maybe there's civil war that kind of thing.

But think about IT. Actually an army during piece is much more dangerous because think about IT. I don't really have an enemy to fight, but I have all this powered already, stank. Why is this actor have more money than me? Yeah, i'm protecting him.

Why does this businessman think that he can get on his private a plane and go to paris? And why here sitting like not having all of this thing? So and there there's a lot of time with all your hand, because your job is to go fight when you don't go fight and we when you have the lack of that's why that's one of the thing I love the united states is the fact that the army cannot really get power. But they kind of like the army is the power is actually the military inducted complex, which is a different it's kind like a different kind of issue. But if you have a whole that power, like why I sitting on around you like to playing guard for you guys.

that's why iran is terrifying because of this military that is just becomes a police force to turn against some people yeah. You you're a famous guy talking shit in the middle of of all that.

yeah. And I when I left, I went through a very dark side. Dr, dark, dark.

Because all of the insecurity, all of the stuff that had been networking on my head now came to life. And now, I mean, amErica and nobody, nobody. And now is like, I have to do something, have to earn some money.

So I started to do send up comedy five years ago, and I sucked, because if I IT was my second language. And who is new? And now I would go to these comedy clubs was like kids on twenty one, twenty two people.

And I am there with the family to support that. I'm going there to do IT for fifteen dollars twenty years. And I was that here you're bombing, bombing big time, eating shit, very, very big time, dying up there, big time.

And I would go back home and I would cry. And and then what made the force is sometimes like a fan, like not even a bunch of fans from egypt, the of, as you used to feel that they comes appointment that kind of like face of duration because. And I could see IT in their face. I think he's gona drive and over a in a couple of .

weeks that's that kind .

of pressure. And I would go when I would cry and a notice, oh, you left you, you, you, you, you give up your cell. Your coward.

Why don't you speak from abroad? You, you're safe. Now, like, I, I don't. I already you spoke. I don't want to be because I don't want to be an activist.

I was doing that for comedy with when I was good for everybody, but now they want me to go go into youtube and just like throw rock from outside and, you know, understand, have family and and IT was this kind of like thing like that. I am being like attacked for not doing what I should do in their face and attacked for not being funny, not doing good being. And now I am a fillip.

Maybe I was wrong, and I was, I don't know. I I really IT was so traumatic, but I don't know actually how I went through these years. And I blocked so many details from my brain because I have been using this technique for a while now that I have been erasing a lot of my, there is a lot of memory gaps in my brain, and i'm trying to suppress IT because I was very, very, very traumatic.

And a lot of people told me you have to go to therapy, but I, I don't, I can, I don't know. I, I am worried to open the flood gates, and I think as if I am functional and i'm not killing anybody. I'm okay.

Like, I think you on tweed never want to therapy. Is gonna on my headstone?

Yeah do your best .

buds OK? Um I mean, that is that terrifically difficult like after being A A surgeon, after being a super star, super famous, going to eat shit at local tiny clubs in the united states. I mean eating shit period like bombing is really, really, really difficult, really difficult for twenty .

year olds but when you forty five, forty six and and then people like, is this his midlife crisis? What is I I I, I, I went through a lot of pain and a lot of, like the doubts, and IT was terrible.

Mean, how did you survive? I know you bought most of IT, but what gave you like strength through all that?

Because I didn't have any other choice, because I started that. And the only reason that I could just continue, I don't want to do, I don't want to go back to medicine. I don't like to go.

I don't I don't want to do that. And I don't know, I don't know. I was a bit by bit, bit by bit. I started to kind of like, be Better, be Better, be Better.

And I was at a certain time a year ago, a year ago, this is where I started to kind of like corn, the craft and kind of sell more tickets and sometimes even sell out some shows, and sometimes said that. So like, I was going and the money was flowing, and I was good. And then I was, I like, why didn't I wanted faster? I wanted more.

I wanted now. I want to to, I want next looks to deal and what have? And then the piece, more than thing happen, and then I blow up, and then suddenly i'm sitting up everywhere, is like, if those people can, if that the world happened two years so ago, I will not be ready.

So now they come to the show. And by that, my show had nothing to do with the october's show. Is my thing that I ve been crafting and working on, you know how difficulties to do the first hour that the hour has have been working on for five years.

And it's all my personal story, all what like what happened to me. Easy to me as an immigrant coming here today. This is finding drop as a president, finding myself in the middle ally I ve in middle of obama.

I I kind like talking about how I got my citizenship. It's like, funny story. I was like my origin story, so they come in and they expected towards seven and all things on my prison story. But he's good and he kills and they love IT as like if that if that kind of like blew up in america, happened to me two, three years ago, I would not have people who come a beat.

Please say the timing of actor servant is very suspicious.

Oh my god, please don't say that, just asking .

questions.

telling you one of the fine. You think a guy who I was in dubai and like A T, V. Anchor came to me best amusing ve, he flourishes during revolutions and words like, do you you're making me sounds like I had all in a very bad .

home yeah you have a and B, B together.

orchestrated all my god, this tries you guess you go on .

the road together selling their home calls coming yeah but time .

has has to open.

And they would really bomb.

right? They would really bomb.

I love document. You do a show like you were saying in english and in arabic. So in the stories is very different.

total different.

two different stories. I would love to just the language different because it's the music of the language is also different. So like what's how can you convert IT towards but what's the difference in in the music of the languages?

I'll tell you because I thought about right all right. So when I was doing the english first, yeah I was I actually had good jokes, but I was missing the delivery because the caddice and the music and the rythm is different, the way that an indian speaking americans, uh, other member of audience will receive IT IT will be different and how I receive IT the energy, everything different. So when I kind of like got IT, I didn't know how to switch back to everybody.

Oh wow. Yeah, fast.

Because he is. Think with the english and the coming english, you have a huge library. You have like allegations. You have like years and years and years years people doing committee but in arabic it's a very, very new to us. And most of the eric send up come especially egyed is very um timed. This is kind of like imagine the stand up comedy scene in amErica and thousand nine hundred sixties before landy Bruce.

oh, so no, where in .

conservative very nothing conservative, everything like it's kind of like, very so I didn't know what to do that. So I broke the berries. I became the Bruce. I became just come. So I went in and I and .

and I changed .

the for me, there fifty words. 不是我 这是 ever because a very rich language。 yeah. So when I did, here's the difference between the area we in the english show. The english show, surprise, surprise, is a unifying language, even for a group of air.

So if I give the same exact show to the same one thousand audience members in the same feature, and they're the same people, same makeup of, like lebanese, egypt, syrian, saudia, english will be a unified language. Arabic is a dividing language because you have twenty two, and the dialects are vacated different. And like maybe egyptians understand a little bit of lebanese, but not that much, but their references, algerian moral, total different animal.

That's like a total, like a little different. People understand the egyptian dally because it's the of most of the art to work and the movies. But the reference in the everyday three talk might not be understood by them.

So now I have to go in and talk to all of these dies together. So I formed my big paper to my show, is like, what are you guys expecting of this? This is what this is.

We gone when I could do provenance, and you gona like IT. This is the problem with that. The show as a dialect, and I, I am, am, I construct all of these sentences form of so different, different words.

For example, an iron in any, any in any. The arab dic is an iron in saudi abb IT means us. That's one example.

That's one example. You know? So imagine if you can actually construct sentences having all of these things. And one so I would, I would construct like a whole section of my show about that.

So really very much about suffer selective on language and the limits of language is allowed.

And the limits of language. And I tell them part of the shows, like, I know what's the problem with me doing arabic is like, if this was an english and I was telling you fuck, and should did you be but if I do once wear was all of your screen quit is IT because we are ashamed for only so it's kind of IT. It's not just like about swear.

It's about like there's a lot of philosophical pathways in this. Yeah there's profanity. And we we when people have found whatever, but like IT is about like what does how do we treat our language? And I tell them we speak as arabs, but is not the same. Eric, crazy right?

And you're doing the show in amErica also. This is another level of IT all yeah.

actually the arab, the asra in america, is some of the best audiences I have. They are like, wonderful. And they come from beaches do. And I did IT also in the middle east, and maybe i'll do like an arab two in the midst. N in the fall.

Which countries would you go to? A lot? I.

where did Jordan living on? I'm doing U A, E, am doing coat. Egypt, barin egypt. I don't think so. I don't think so.

Is a personal, is a worry about your safety?

Well, I have the american citizenship, right? So I am very beautiful, safe.

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honestly, there's a block. There is a purse, there is there is a, there's so much that happened. And I thought, I never, I know, never bad mouthed.

This is my country. IT is some like, IT has all of my mary, forty years of my life, I lived there. But when you get hurt so much, instead of trying to candle, I don't want to take revenge.

I don't want like that. I just want to avoid IT, because IT would gave me so much famine, so much love and so much hate and so much rejection. IT is a very IT was a very tumorous relationship, very, very difficult.

And it's, and a lot of people tell me, why don't you miss egypt? And I tell them, every time the issue, the time this is not there anymore, it's not bad, good, it's not worse or Better. It's just on different.

And the peace are different, and the people are different and the circumstances are different. Whatever image you have, you have of what you love is not there anymore. That's why a lot of immigrants, especially are of immigrants.

They they live here, but they are there. And then when they go back for a vacation, they get disapointment, they didn't find what they want. Then they come back here and they are disappointed because this they wanna come back but it's .

not there anymore yeah their view of that places from a different time. I have that, you know, my parents, but everybody that lasts. The soviet union, I mean, is such a complicated relationship with that. It's sometimes boris on hate disappointment.

In the in the case of the union， perhaps similar egypt is the promise is sold when you're 秧歌 and the the promise is broken by the possibility of what I was supposed to be with the soviet union。 I'm sure what the egypt is the same, iran is the same. So they're a very complicated relationship with that.

Yeah, that's White, like present people from iran. I remember, I remember quite well the world cup that was made in the states and the iranian team will play america. And there were people, people in the audience or wearing arrange.

They hate the, but they have this connection with the country. Yeah, and this is, this is the whole thing. You can actually love the country and you not have to. He would. The regime would.

would, would you ever perform? And west bank, no, because.

because if I go there, I have to go through israel checkpoints. And I don't want to go through this. I don't want to have an soldier telling you what to do.

Yeah, there's a demeaning aspect that all very even even in subways, the yeah.

yeah. I mean, I have so many palestinian friends with an american passport, U. S. Passport living here. They're born here and they talk about their humilation and the intimidation and the harassment that they go in as like, do you want me to try?

Yeah that little bit of a humiliation.

A little bit sometimes .

it's major but I know I noticed that you know even a little bit and has a after a lifetime of that I can turn to IT can turn to hate towards the other yeah .

and resent with that.

And then how do you do anything with that resent?

I have a friend of mine. He is from baLance, is from lowest back, is american here, is born here. And we talk about, you know, we have course, all of this discussion of what what happened.

And he tells me, you know, in october eleven, in the west bank, in and there was a village called casa, and on that village, like the settings, went around the vision, and they send the message on facebook, you rs going, they are out of their series, and we gonna waiting for you intimidation technology. And then they went, IT is cost to have, like another settled next suit called the H. Q dish as code sh.

They have people there who were training something called misery asia, which is basically the guardians of asia. And it's like a paramilitary group that trains other settings on military compact, give them weapons and tool like military drills, and they went, they're like militarized. And when there and and IT was actually founded by a jew from rookley's, not even in israel, and he is like one of the disciples of mir khana.

I'm sure that you know, mayor kana is, was that you definitely the people who older here in the united states and and they were they were there with their weapons outside intimidating people. Like this story Carries everything that is wrong with the situation. You have people from brooklin from outside just because they are judge can come and they can claim the land from the people there.

Anybody from pool just because he's just, you can come and take the lands for other people. They're using technology to intimidation palestinians. They have unchecked military power.

These are not D. F. soldiers. These are settlers, and they have free rain in order to intimidate, to kill the people. And you never said, this is the daily life of palestinians, not in gaza, in the west bank.

What do you do from your? What do we do? What do people do to not this towards peace, towards flourishing? Here's the.

I want to talk to the people who is read. What is easily doing right now is not just unfair to the past. Tinian is unfair to the juice people in israel.

No, IT is unfair to the juice people around the world. Because the way that israel links itself to the to do judaism, simple. But you to remember that icy and carden when everybody hated muslim, you know, sometimes human humans are simply, they cannot have the answer to separate.

So or anybody who with a muslim name, with a muslim face, with a beer that looks muslim, he would do IT because of that actions of those atrocities. You have the power as a person to separate yourself from an abusive power, a horrible power, and be yourself. I am really worried because the rise of anti semitism, the rise of hate against juice, is not because of their choice, because of the actions of the government.

Jews do not have to be on the side of apartheid. Ran castles. He is a jewish south african, and he fought shoulder to shorter. Next to december della.

He was support of the african national conference and c and he had an article say, like, I know what apartheid is, and I so easily, and is what they have, and they think is easily that israeli government should listen to other people. You cannot call anybody who who criticize you either an anti or if they're already knowed, you call them like self hitting you. You cannot do that.

You cannot continue doing that because we did that when I would go in. Criticize the islam is like all your self heating muslim. You're not really muslim.

You're info, your secret. You are secular, whatever. We have the power in order to. Reform the course by holding people in power accountable.

And I think is IT is very stupid to actually call this anti I simex like I, my, my ideal is john ter, I voted for birth. Is antara text the one who did this amazing documentary about me ticking giants? She's true.

SHE is married to an israeli. A we have a good ratio because we know what the right is. They don't have to associate themselves with the action of the israel government.

One of your favourite words .

do you had that's my favorite hobbies is favorite is my shoes. Like, what's your his favorite is that I talk about like how when the White shooter does something, he talks about all of his family and I will help, is like, what if you this would like for for arab terrorists? What are his hobbies yet? 你 你是， 你 不是 wow.

you make me feel good. OK sam Harris has has done several episodes on ji hod, and people should go listen to IT even if you disagree with IT, but the basic idea that his proposing is that this idea of jihad in the negative connotation of IT of modern is the thing that gets is control. Cable is destructive to the possible future flourishing of past senior people. What do you think of that?

They just the idea, but I told, agree. But like, people don't wake up in the morning as hela on the clearly head. But think about IT.

Why would anybody choose to end his life by taking other people with him? And in that life, his life must be miserable. He must be pushed into that.

Nobody chooses death over life willingly. One of the first suicide bombers in the palestinian resistance were Christians. We don't talk about that.

I think he would say that the presence of a story that you can tell yourself when you're in a really shady place, that you can go to a much Better place by sacrificing your own life, just the fact that that the present, that story is theirs is is harmful.

of course, but this but his, my problem with sam Harris. And usually people would they have free range talking about the islamic faith and net picking the stuff that makes you put in a, in a, in a, in a bad light. I can go and net pick every single religion.

They are jews there, like beneath here, who opens like spitting on Christians is not a hate sleech. All right? They are.

I mean, I I, you can bring me like all kinds videos of islamic. You had the same cargo things on on youtube, and I can bring you juice who live there there. So like, we are going to have the whole word in slave for us.

And everybody would love to be slave for the juice. You know, I can use the television argument that if you tie and to a tree and he dies of first and hunger, you didn't kill that man. And this is kind of the same arguments like I we're not getting.

Malaya is just like kill, and they they were dying by themselves, you know. So in the net picking of of of a certain narrative, religious narrative that is separate from the political context and what what's happening right now. It's very, very unfair because I can read, if you want, have a deep dive into religious text, nobody will be happy. And I can bring stuff from the mood and the and the tour and stuff that is horrible. But like, you know, this is a way again of like distraction.

I dare you to talk about about budsome m genes.

Well, know the people who killed the .

muslims in memo in the buddha flying .

monter the care of the way much as peg.

As a person who tries not the carb, i'm deeply offended by that. I mean.

their psychologies, all they do is actually by really state.

I think there's a few books certain about the fact that they do other stuff as well. So even there, more than sometimes there's some of the nicest people ever met. But i'm sure there is also darkness there too. Oh, boy, religion.

There's soaking in in moment. There's well soaking what's soaking? okay? So I don't know how much. So so basically like you if if you get into the woman and you don't move, that's not adult, not like .

oh .

intel, O P O think yes.

And what muslims we .

do that the whole time we, we, we can choose our our since to stop the two entry. It's just seven.

two virgins waiting for all of us.

Maybe if I converted you as a, you get you, I don't know, negotiate.

but I also have questions .

about what you are very good deal I give you and maybe i'll there a cm. I have pretty .

good what year? I don't know.

nineteen and ninety last year ever.

They last a long time, yes. So i'm not sure I want seventy eight, seven, two.

I throw five in the mixing and I would feel, yeah can we if you want to update.

yeah can can we do a trial period? But in Jennifer, just zoom out. Do you think religion is in what way is a good for the world? In what ways that harmful.

if there was no relume humans would have invented? Because think about, think, I think like the early humanity you like, you're like a cave man or whatever. And then like, you see your family members killed and then you say, like what i'm gonna like that the sheer dicas le, that just like ends and perrish.

I need to have I, I am more important, I think, I think with the development of consciousness, humans like thought that they are much more precious and important than the other animals, because they had no intelligence. So my life will not end like that. They will.

My death would be even more important. There's consequences for that. There's consequent what I do.

And then the early man was like, they are in the desert, and all of these, like natural phenomena, know what to do. They are afraid. So they need to have review.

They need to have something to take are of they need to have a reason for everything. Because if there is no reason, it's cares. It's caes terrifying.

It's terrifying. It's there's nothing. There has to be a reason. There has to be a reason, has to be a purpose, has to be like a cause at something. I'm not just gonna be like die like like a coke org being stepped on. And that's kind of a part of of this year.

The whole world rotates around you and way.

So the religion actually got a lot of IT from humanity like me, us like us being humans. And there's and and many religion is a collection of of stories. And those stories based on three things that humans did themselves and they attributed to guards.

And there's an aspect of religion where you humble yourself before a thing that is much greater than you. So that has a very positive effect of humbling IT would .

be great if you to stop there, but here's the thing. But if you humble in order that your ego kick sin and feel that you are Better than someone else who is not humbled to the go, that means that I will have all of that train, that I can use that because now others mean being humble and divine.

but you, i'm way more humble than you.

but you're not. So you see how they kind of like dogs. I'm humble and i'm surrendering, but in the same time, I am Better than you, are more entitled. Is IT crazy.

It's beautiful. It's crazy.

I me look at, look at like, like that muslim Christians. And joan, every like you say, alright, muslims user rendered a man talking about the extreme was, I mean, like, like people say, I surrenders to go. Good, keep that way.

yeah. Like if you go to, I surrenders to go, that means that I am closer to kay Christians, Christ is love, and he loves me, and we gonna be together. But you don't get into his kind time. And you that you see is the same thing ah if you make up and up there, stop where you are humble and you feel that you a piece of fit and you are worthless human being and you are there yeah stop there yeah. But once you is like, oh, that makes me a Better person than you and that makes me more with god than you so that would give me the entitlement to kick .

your ass yeah we always run a good thing.

don't you lago .

um you've been outspoken you know with peers Morgan but just on this topic uh menu .

um talked .

about a the superman story.

which I would .

love IT if you're in a superman movie. But have you lost our opportunities? Uh, because of this.

I I there was other a couple of things that were going on but stop again. I don't know if .

OK top, yeah, what what are you 啊？ OK, what did you addition for?

yes. okay. So in june, I was traveling to do by and right an hour before I I get into the car and go there. My man is like, best, i'm going to send you a script read IT it's for superman like, oh, superman, you know, I I am not really good in auditions. I'm not an actor, so I like, okay, i'm just going to do IT send the tape.

I do the tip attended, I go to the airport and and I read, and I can, I think I can talk about IT now, because they said they change script. So basically, what I found IT interesting in that news script is that there is like A A dictator in a country that invades another country. And superman interviews, politically, at the first time we ever see superman interviews politically, so basically like russia and ukraine.

But because of me, IT was like, IT had, IT couldn't be. Russia and ukraine would had to be something kind of like the flavor. So I read the role as if, as a mixture of thumb, mubarak, I did this makes like, you know, I like kind of the mix, but also like kind of like the the essence of trump into IT.

I went to the airport. It's like an hour like James gone. So what he loves you. I never had an addition that fat. I mean, I had a few rules, but not that fast, not like that.

And then I like, well, the the strike starts like tomorrow and we need to be on the form aboard. But after the strike, we cannot talk the seg extra strike like where the writers and the extra strike. So like i'm going to have a plan right now.

It's like once you land, you can have a zoom jams got, I have a cold, jim. good. Yes, I am a huge friend of him.

The guy took like something the garden of the galaxy nobody knew about. IT made amazing trilogy. And he is like, a really cool guy.

I like, I like what he did. And he was like, really nice. And and he started to talk to me about the movie.

And, you know, like I talk to people before casting them. So I know that everybody's onset have a good chemistry. IT was amazing.

So in your mind, if you're an actor, what does that mean? You got the part and he told me you got the part. Months goes by.

Strike goes by. Octo ver seven happens. I do, peers, Morgan, one and two. And then I go to my australian tour.

My manager called me, but the circles over, it's like, you don't get apart anymore. I was sad, very sad, but for three days. And so I need to stand up with colors.

I like you doing very well how to learn and then when I went to Chris co, I after I finished the show, he told me, did you lose any opportunities? And that was off record after after the shows like we concluded. And I said, I talked about superman and I found myself l phone. I was talking.

I was angry. I was bitter. And I went home like, why was angry? Why was a bitter IT wasn't n't meant to me? And I am living in a good life now. I, I, I don't need to.

So when I was asked again the next day in two different interviews, the BBC and other and and another one was alone with my friend, you know, with A, I said the story in a different way. I said I don't have any anger as a meta fact. Maybe if I was wonder brothers, I didn't talk about gym's.

Can I thought to the studio if I was wonder brothers and i'm a muslim, I wouldn't have a like aziz approval in my movie. But I want to tell them that like when I criticize israel, I am not a threat, you as a jew, and we can actually have more in comments that was more of a kind of empathy. So when I said that the internet went crazy, and know jim can have haters because know the slighter version all of this, that it's, it's the world I can understand.

And James gn. Lake had all of these attacks on him. And I was missed of how I was handled.

I wasn't angry at the James gone, but I thought I was had. So my public system manured like, best stay on, don't speak. It's Better like to to like not talk about IT.

Is that okay? So as there is nothing wrong about me, but I see the heat is rising against him. And that is a guy that I had a personal connection even through through, and I didn't like what you have.

And then he called me and he explained to me, as I best me know, I actually use, like, have camera test before people before finally, I didn't know that and I and then we change the script to the strike. So I didn't call. And I also, I thought to myself, i'm small.

I'm a small actor. I'm not that important for him to call me to say we get to change the script. So I still think that like the time sucks and everything but then I went and I did a video explaining execute what i'm telling you because I didn't want to be famous for the wrong reasons, because that would be unfair, because that already people work.

And I was having, like interviews. Can you come about to like that i'm going to talk about because this is an issue. And I did. I didn't. And I when I talk to James on the phone, I felt sincere.

He was so I, I, I didn't want someone to, because of me, will have that kind of attack, because I know what that means to be on the other side of that kind of attack is terrible. And IT throws your life and IT throws your day. And nobody deserves to be doing that. And I don't want to be the reason for somebody else to go through that pain.

And you also said that you don't want to be a victim.

I I don't want to be. I'm doing great. I'm doing great.

I'm setting out everywhere i'm having a wonderful, loyal audience coming to me why I would be angry about the role of its superman. Yes, it's great to be in a superheated movie. So what you know .

but you know there's there's a wisdom in that even if you won't doing great, that's a choice a lot of people can come to, which is like, do I play victim here or not?

It's great. It's great. If they want more attention, they want to be more into the thing, they want more and more.

And there is so much to go around to be enough for all of us. But IT is great. IT is eager, eager, eager, eager.

I need to be in the center, and you activities, I know, do I need to be? People feel sorry for me and love me. IT and IT is not the right way.

IT is not because IT is fake. IT is fake. IT is made up, and I did not victimized myself. L phone, I left egypt, I mean, in the time that I was.

And now I speak about IT now, but in that dark times, I was detained in airports I didn't have in my american press project. I I was still traveling with my egypt person, and I was attending an arab airport. I was going to be deliver to the egyptian.

I had shows when I was still starting. I had hecklers being sent to me by the egyptian embassy, egypt consulate in in new york and london to curse me and to take video of that and then send the two status on media egypt. And I didn't speak about that because I felt that, like, if I speak about that, I feel about that, what I was going on to me, I would be victimizing. I feel like if i'm gonna be good, i'm going to you good because what I do not because what people's tion of what i'm going through yeah.

that becomes a slippy slope and somehow victimizing yourself.

that goes to more victimising yeah, and then you cannot leave that habit. You can only exist and thrive if people .

feel sorry for you. Yeah, I mean, israel and post time currently both have that temptation.

I would always push back when you do the comparison because one of them is not really .

the same kind of to .

see why pilot of victimizing self. But israel, all of that military man, it's much what israelis doing, is the direct to mizer the jewish experience. And I don't think a lot of and I though don't think IT is fair for a lot choose.

I don't think that they should use the holo cost and the persecution that happened to judge people all through history in order to push an equally oppressive agenda. That is not fair and it's not good for the juice people. Living and IT is basically at disrespect to the memory of the holo cost.

I told you I wanted make a movie about the holo cost. I I do. Because what happened with that kind of engineer torture should never happen again. Anything will be happening.

Now, to you, what israel is going is leading to more anti semitic m in the world.

Hundred percent. And I think, and I know, can I be conspiring theory for a session?

Please share this flat.

We all know part of me thinking, maybe they are doing that intentionally because if there's a rise of antic and shows, there are always like pots, like see, they hate us. So we can do whatever we want. Because if, if, because you see if we let go of our might in our strength, we could go back to a concentration camps because you .

see how the word hates you. And again, when you say they are people in power.

yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, sten. It's always the people in power. I believe that humans are easily corrupted and easily reparable, but the rut corrupted part is much easier.

But U U E people could change. But power people and power are very dangerous, very, very dangerous. Especially if you have religion, which is power by itself, military might, political support and money. Dude, that's a that's a very, very, very dangerous recipes. You know, all that said.

I do believe in the power of the little guy, the individual, to overthrow the government. You know you heard about the erp spring.

Um you know happens. But but, but okay, here we are. We are here and among friends we are americans, right?

We are americans. We are americans. And how funny is that?

Like just giving up two background where .

amErica is where amErica is like. Very good. There's one thing about, like the power of the little guy that I am very sad about because you see, I I love america, by the way, I I considered my new home and I want my kids to grow up.

Here I have, i'm very grateful for the opportunities I have in the united states. And I criticize the united states politics, and I criticize IT out of love the same way that I was criticized. What's happening with egypt, tt of love.

What is worrying for me is how the power of the little man is diminishing. IT doesn't matter. Now, who do you vote into power? They would not listen to you. They would listen to the people who paid them to be there. And IT is very concerning, because I can see the american democracy turning not even slowly, very rapidly into an oligarchy.

If i'm i'm sure that all of the millions of people who are voting, they don't vote for dinner, they don't for vote for APEC, they don't vote for the pharmaceutical companies, they don't vote for the military industry complex. And yet their people in power, they come in, they take your vote and my vote, and they are loyal to those people, not to us. And IT is very, very, very concerning, very concerning. And IT is this is the danger of american on american policies, american politics and american democracies is dangerous because basically the vote becomes just like a ceremony that that the someone with the more like funding will get to power and then he's not loyal to you.

So the fire, I mean we are in texas. Um everybody everybody y's armed to the teeth here. Yeah but like .

what are these aren't gonna in front of?

Thanks all you said the american military is unique in this way.

I know. But for now.

for another tanker, first all, I believe russia is more tanks than the united states. tanks? I don't know. I'm not an expert in military, a strategic deployment of arms, but uh, the united states uses different kinds of weapons.

They have drones and they have the lasers and they have the and comfortable to behind the screens is kind of like IT turns, like a big x box game .

yeah and they they they saw lot of those things to everybody is crazy .

because because that the defense budget is sixty eight percent of american military is like almost eight hundred and fifty billion dollars each year. And most of that weapons we don't even need IT. Yeah, we just do IT because of the contracts. There was like an incredible sixty minutes.

I'm sure that you saw that I want about like the gouging of the Prices of the the of this IT was one of the most fascinating things that have, they say, like a valve as safety, safety oil valve that chose to be sold for three hundred and twenty nine dollars. Now IT is sold for nine thousand dollars. why?

Because there is only five uh weapon companies and they control the Prices. And in two thousand and six the whole APP ache I fleet over the american army in iraq was grounded because there is one wealth that they were like gouging. The president didn't want to give them the stinger missile, just like the missing, the, the, the, the, the one that you Carry.

It's like the anti aircraft. I choose to be sold for twenty five thousand dogs. Now it's sold for four hundred thousand dollars, and nobody is doing doing that, you know, guys, because the D O, D has fired three, one hundred thirty thousand people, including engineers and negotiators.

So now in order to cut expenses, now we paying more money. And thing is, we do not have a saying this. We do not have a say in how my tax money and your tax money is being spent because i'm sure you don't want your money to be sent to easily like that.

sure. Even if you do, i'm sure i'm sure that like I don't want my money to give be given to some muslim countries who kill other muslims, i'm sure. But IT is, IT is not.

He is think, what kind of power do we have other than speaking? So what is left for us is free speech. And now when you speak, they call you antisemitic. You see why i'm angry but .

still I mean amErica is holding pretty strong despite the criticism on the free speech front um but if you look at the free free freedom of the press, freedom of the speech index, uh amErica is not at the top.

IT is not. And this is why, for example, IT is very disgusted for me to see that the western media, western press that used to be the beacon of freedom I am using as mouthpieces. And IT is funny how the new york times nickson got angry.

The new times in one thousand nine hundred and seventy one, when they found leagues about tim, lying about the viewer is the beginning. And now he hired the plummers, you know, the special unit, in order to go in and find the leaks. This was water gate, basically because he was angry to see who leaked that instead of fixing the problem.

Now the new york times have published the story about to get the rape that was a hoax that was written by amah force to someone will have no experience. And now when I was leaked, instead of them correcting themselves, they went in and they have their own investigation to see who leaked. The new york times in two thousand and three became the mouth peaceful George W.

W. M. D. And now as an american, I see that that the new york becoming a mouth peace of foreign country.

Why do you do that? One of these things is really difficile to know is where to find the truth. IT does seem that both sides use propaganda and both sides lie a lot.

But both sides.

as in both, is the past of process. And there's a lot of life.

I I think it's a lot of inequality. Men are you like there is like a lot of people on the internet but like who have the mainstream media citing with.

yeah you know, thanks.

I am looking for me. I yes, thank god for social meeting, because now is individuals. There are the people, yes, the people.

Your, your comparing BBC, your times, washington post, what? What is Jones with just people? The tiktok account.

yeah. Did you get more power in your view?

Now IT is actually very, very fascinating to see the little man having that power over the media.

And because to speak, portion is so like this is not.

But we cannot call people with tiktok propagandists while people being paid to catch give you the news and they deliberate lie to you.

Yes, I can.

They're both propagation. Yes, yes, but like but the mechanism and the intentions are different. Because because.

because here's the thing.

I'd rather have the tiki. And like the dictor is a tiktok guy, right? But if you have the new york times being told that they they being exposed to be lying and then they get this like you and report, which is like a disGrace and you just put the title and you don't talk of them like i'm fine with CNN and jake tapper and all of those people like spreading the rape allegations for years.

They didn't I don't even want them to refuse. I want them to bring the israel reports saying that they didn't have there is rain media themself. They didn't even bother. Not once is that baLanced? That's not so that's why people in tiktok and but because they have to take matches on their own head.

Yeah, the form of the people in tiktok is the drug, the dopamine rush of getting a lot of legs. So instead of talking about the death of civilians, as they will talk about the head of babies or the equivalent, yeah, they are going to actually make up stories because they make make up stories are going to be more viral. And so now we're just in the sea in this muck of lies.

and there's a lot of people who actually exposed to take talk. So you have both both and it's the kind of like the the democracy of the social media we always call IT. But if you have the street on media, that is the legacy media seen and BBC new york times, fuck news, all of those people and they are like spreading lies and not even doing their journalistic job in order to at least bring the other side yeah, that's and .

that's that's worse. You're supposed .

to be journalists, yes, is supposed to be report, report, you know.

report. Yeah, but yeah, I see this is like a an inspiration for the citizen journalists to to rise up. This is what you're doing. Oh, this, yeah.

this is what you're doing. No, this is what you doing because you're go into the deep dive. This is like like a no filter thing.

There is no spin. The long form, the long form is going to save us. Ah, I see why you hate the two, five hours later, the resentment in your face.

But I can can like like .

those like thirty seconds, I do four hours.

I mean, both of a place, both are exciting, you know, but I can IT is very dangerous OK. You can look away. And I almost never, maybe i'm doing IT wrong, but I almost never feel Better ever after having used tiktok makes to us.

I can't. I cannot. I not. I have a tip, by the way, I give my, my, my, my password to like a team.

I don't even go there because I went. I once in a dark night, very late night, I went, take talk. I was like, two hours.

What there? What is? No, no, no, this is dangerous. I'm really like an instagram and facebook guy. I don't need that.

and I barely .

get out of twitter. I mean, like X, I don't. I can. X is accessible. X is just like to the concentrated .

hatten. X, too, too much. I can't.

and I don't, I don't, I don't know. I can't, I can't. I just like I post something and I run.

Boston goes, so you you're don't come here in the the next days right now. Yes, joe rogan has the the comedy mothership, which is an incredible club. I you consider doing that club I would like to.

I mean.

course.

I was a small .

world of comedy.

That's why I I think like jojo story was like ah what he didn't so he that he didn't didn't U F C. And his podcast and just it's it's very impressive the fact that he's there and he's bringing all of those people whether in coming on his podcast is very impressive. And this is what this is what is the media is all about, what is like the internet is all about to give you the experiences of such that you might never experience.

And that is very important. I mean, you do with with people will let you go into their brains, he goes, take people and you take their experiences and and their life in the story. IT is very interesting.

And this is the beauty of of that art form, because you have all of these expresses at the tips of your hands, and IT is there for you to learn from. And and what he's doing, like when he moved to texas and we did the the company mothership, anybody who would like push comedy forward, that is the most difficult art phone and the most demanding. And the fact that you do that and he might not even be making money out with, but he doing that because of his passion, that is .

enough yeah really believes creating this like a place for comedians can be really free. And one of the whole things about economy mother ship is like, comedian is king.

There give like.

there we have to like, we have to bow down to the because.

you know, the comedy who came there came after, like eating shit yeah, out there everywhere else. If you you have basically you are the same.

I have eaten ship .

from now. I'm gonna you hit.

I is great. You already told me what you think about the state of politics in the next days, but now tell me what you really think. What do you think of the choice of transformer by?

And how do we end up here? I mean, like the fact that like you have two people over the age .

of nineteen yeah IT is think is over hundred.

but it's combined like on seventy IT is so sad. IT is so sad that this is what we can produce as as a society like like a demagogue and. Sleepy to he's to is not there, man is he's gone, he's gone.

I mean. He could know, like, when old people could be like a danger for themselves. He said, danger for the whole world.

I mean, like the whole world. Like if an old person would die, who would like, you know, have like a replacement. We can need them and they can.

You plan IT because of one decision. It's but it's not just that. It's not it's. What when I came in, listen, I am a democrat, I always like and I told you, like, I I vote for bernie Sanders. I, I, I like, I supported him like two thousand six scene, but I couldn't vote them. And of course, the huge wifi and obama and one of my like he's the first muslim president, but he killed muslim like muslim anyways.

I love that .

one and it's just I I think they they the whole idea like my shock is I taught you about, like biden said about like amazon is okay, are signs, but then like, jews are not safe in anywhere. I like, do what the hell you say and if you don't care about me, I don't care about my mystery, why would I care about you winning or losing? You know, and I have a joke.

I had told people, like, why would even buy them listen to us? He just raised hundred and forty five million dollars in california alone from pro israeli groups. I mean, what what can we arab working in the way business do to him?

It's like we cannot confess with that.

I really like practically I mean, like life is like life is unfair. The guys politician, he needs bills to pay. He needs campaign to run.

He needs money. He would go to the people who give me money. Absorbing is the highest paid politician from israel. Love is four point six million dollars over the years.

Yeah but I also believe in um great leaders that go gets all that. But unfortunately .

burning centres .

was like that. Berny centres, yes, but also age.

I don't want to be of course .

but even would like I member living the bernie center is twenty years ago on department show and I don't want something uh against berny but like he was sharper then of course there's a thing with age course.

No, I I think i'm a huge fan about like putting a limits on your working years because you don't want to have a commitment moment every now because now the whole thing I like, what is this is not like a hospice care home. IT is IT. IT is unfair. IT is unfair.

And that the whole idea that you have like unlimited, like you have a limit for the present, but you don't have a limit for congress people and and senators, that's what do you mean? This is basically you can go in and and be in in, in the governance for forever. And you know, the longer that you can get, the more corrupt you'll get. Yes, that and that is very concerning for americans.

Everybody everybody becomes corrupt year. I mean, that's why the two terms is a good limit for everybody yeah and you know maybe half a term for a .

for egypt readers well, you know our half term .

is fifteen years quarter term you should come back and around for for for office .

there oh my god. No, no there's a curse in egyptian of egypt presidency body comes there like dead or in jail yeah it's a it's not the most appear job that .

might make a statue. You though.

make you look good after my desk. I look, I look very good, dad.

Um yeah, when you look at what happened when the morning, since you kind of really thought about this in egypt, what happened in the money in russia, what do you think about that?

Yeah, but what happens in the world in russia is not something new in russia. I mean, putin have like this whole history of poison and killing people. And it's kind of like pretty much I would have to set credit.

Putin is like bringing us the essence of the dark ages. The midday ages is like we know like, basically putin is like, is the living example of what happens if game thrones with reality. It's like death by poison, like a blew up a plane is like mysteriously disappears. IT is so IT IT is very dark but it's like, wow it's like a it's it's it's a it's a television.

Maybe that's what attracts us to that part of the world is that it's so much and display this game of of power, of geopolitics yeah .

of war not with the same happens in the west but i'm behind close doors is not that close. It's not that pronounced as like good books. It's like we just like I think I think because of the west is more advanced, like in movies, in cinema, we kind of directed Better. Yeah and I think I think that outcomes like the way that you kind of like that, the things like sing and seen.

that's why people about like landing on the moon.

they're like, go.

I get that but yeah, we haven't gone .

back there are to flat. And .

alright, if we zoom out, do you think there will always be war in the world, always be suffering? Yes.

but he is the thing. I don't think for link. I don't think that could happen for a minute.

Yeah yeah. Because he's the thing. Humanity is destined to to have war, especially little have war. But that that something happened in the last fifty years. We have now we have much more lethal weapons.

The problem is, the beginning is like, source against ce horses catheter, you like canned cats mean my size. C but now you like like a presence of button, you can unite the whole plant. Ah, and this is the problem.

Wars will also continue. The problem is, when is gonna the tipping point where we, I guess, you going to destroy ourselves and IT is so easy now to destroy ourselves. The amount of weapons and the the quality of weapons that we have IT is designed to kill more effectively, more, more, more just IT is crazy. It's like we can create our own destruction and our self. And and and I think we're not that far away from .

IT just in a nuclear weapons. The fascine thing about nuclear weapons, we've gone to learn recently, just half few people are involved in a full on nuclear war that kills, basically kills everybody. Yes, well, three plus billion people right away.

And the consequences of the nuclear winter, it's unlivable.

But all IT takes is, I mean, one president can do IT. So IT could be even false alarm, misunderstanding.

like what happened in the cuba .

because crisis but again and now there's a more nations are prepared and ready to launch yeah and and .

you have a media and twenty four hours kind of like thing that makes you like and edge the whole time. That's crazy.

There's a dark perspective on this where there's certain members of the media that would kind of enjoy the prospect of nuclear war like a little bit. Just just let get as close to IT .

as possible. You have another factor that will contribute to that religion. And remember how, like the radical islam talk about like the end of time and whatever, but like most, I don't have that power.

Problem is with Chris now being on the top of the world to america, they have been pushing for that kind of conflict to kind of equate, escalate, listen to sarai ance like god. Ones here, like garden drove all of the new. The disposition is dragon.

Here's an incredible book called like forcing the ends of cards of beautiful. Book I read is like it's publish nine, nine, eight. But IT still matters today.

The whole idea about, like, especially the designers, Christians who love israel, but they hate the jews, they are anti, but they love israel because of its role. This is all basically formed because of the interpretation of the viral school field and how they talk about the end of time, and I are good. And then they lead great planet earth and then left behind series.

And all of that is all about like we are heading to her marketing. And the problem is islam has did their people that believe that the end of time, and then we have the Christians that believe in the end of time, and then you have island happy that those people are using for the end of time. And then the whole idea about them pushing as many weapons and troops and people intimately is to be there for the nuclear.

And john hagg, one of the of the pastors, talk about that, about the brim, stones and nuclear over the people. It's crazy how people are so depressing life that they are wanting death. So now you have, you always have these revelations, but these revelations means nothing if you don't have an effective weapon in order to make that happen. And this is the crazy thing. And I worried that that that the end is going to be by someone that wants to meet god a little bit earlier.

Um somebody who's really in a hurry well, I have good news for you. Maybe will become a multiplicity .

species maybe alan moss lead the .

the way .

to get out in space may be he's one of them .

strictly I asked you all find to not mention the lizard people. They are.

There is like a whole people that believe in the lizard people.

if you have to be honest, haven't fully looked .

into .

lizard people. I ably should. Well, maybe i'm afraid of the truth.

等等等等。 Removing, removing my house.

I think what? So let's say, let's say you're right about the end of the world. And and we IT all turns out great.

And humanity freshes. Why would that happen? what? What gives you hope for that trajectory for humanity?

Younger people, the people have tiktok, the and yet there is a lot of like couples should there you know.

after you saying this, people just keep saying you take talk videos, these Younger people.

this woman showing their bobs.

hi, awesome.

Thank you. No, there's like I think there is a wealth of remember like the joke they say like we thought that like when we have internet, we going to have like be more you know more informal. And now we we were watching tour and videos and that is true.

But on the other side, the fact that you have the in availability of information, I am learning a lot and there is people who are using that platform from that. It's not the majority because you know, it's not very interesting and exciting. But I think there's there might be a tipping point that there's enough people that would be aware and maybe they would collectively do something in order to bring back the power to the small man. And maybe IT sounds very nave, maybe, but we don't know. We don't know because we we have already seen the legacy media and the legacy politicians shaking in the past few month.

Are get nervous.

are getting nervous because people are calling them out. And those people were like hiding behind the that behind their office and not to holding a how to for that, but like people now calling them out. And IT is not gonna happen like this year or next year, but I think it's something what advice would .

you give to those Young folk?

I will never give advice to those people.

Get off.

take up and I never because like their input is different in mind. Yeah but like there's one thing I learned when people saw me, did the revolution fail in eype? Did people that the people like this and the revolution is not an eleven. It's not like k, we go in government, not a revolution. Revolution is the process is a very long process.

And maybe the that process, I mean, as much as we don't like what happened in the airboat, but the people there are the awareness that happened in the discussions that have been opened, that were you didn't even imagine what happen in the middle. This happening, and maybe the beginning of any any hope of change, is that people start talking, speaking out, talking about something they were not allowed to speak about. Life, for example, is really, the revolution .

continues that, but you, you're beautiful human being is truly a pleasure, honor to meet you. I can just feel the love radiating view. I hope I get to see you perform life. I hope to get to see you many more times. Thank you for being who you are.

Thank you so much. And I would love to invite you from my new special lemon that the best.

That should be the title of .

your auto by thank you so much.

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