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#419 – Sam Altman: OpenAI, GPT-5, Sora, Board Saga, Elon Musk, Ilya, Power & AGI

2024/3/18
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Lex Fridman
一位通过播客和研究工作在科技和科学领域广受认可的美国播客主持人和研究科学家。
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Sam Altman
领导 OpenAI 实现 AGI 和超智能,重新定义 AI 发展路径,并推动 AI 技术的商业化和应用。
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Lex Fridman就OpenAI董事会风波、Sam Altman与Ilya Sutskever的关系、以及对AGI安全性的担忧等问题与Sam Altman进行了深入探讨。Sam Altman回顾了董事会风波的经过,承认这段经历非常痛苦,但也从中吸取了宝贵的经验教训,并对公司治理结构和激励机制进行了反思和改进。他强调了构建一个能够承受巨大压力且具有韧性的组织的重要性,并表示OpenAI将继续致力于AGI安全性的研究。他还谈到了与Ilya Sutskever的关系,以及对AGI安全性的共同担忧。 Sam Altman详细描述了OpenAI董事会风波的始末,承认这是其职业生涯中最痛苦的经历之一。他回顾了事件的经过,包括与董事会的沟通、对自身去留的考虑,以及最终重返公司担任CEO的决定。他坦诚地分享了自己在事件期间的心理状态,以及对公司未来发展方向的思考。他强调了公司治理结构的重要性,并表示将吸取教训,改进公司治理,以应对未来可能面临的更大挑战。他还谈到了对OpenAI未来发展方向的规划,以及对AGI安全性的重视。

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Sam Altman recounts the painful experience of the OpenAI board saga, describing it as chaotic and shameful. He discusses the challenges of organizational structure, board power dynamics, and the personal toll of the events. Despite the turmoil, Altman expresses gratitude for the support he received and emphasizes the importance of learning from the experience.
  • The OpenAI board saga was the most painful professional experience of Sam Altman's life.
  • The board lacked experience and struggled with decision-making under pressure.
  • Altman considered leaving OpenAI but ultimately returned due to his commitment to the company and its mission.
  • The saga highlighted the need for robust governance structures and processes.
  • Altman emphasizes the importance of trust and respect within the team.

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Sam Altman is the CEO of OpenAI, the company behind GPT-4, ChatGPT, Sora, and many other state-of-the-art AI technologies. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:

Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/sam-altman-2-transcript

EPISODE LINKS: Sam's X: https://x.com/sama Sam's Blog: https://blog.samaltman.com/ OpenAI's X: https://x.com/OpenAI OpenAI's Website: https://openai.com ChatGPT Website: https://chat.openai.com/ Sora Website: https://openai.com/sora GPT-4 Website: https://openai.com/research/gpt-4

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OUTLINE: Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) - Introduction (07:51) - OpenAI board saga (25:17) - Ilya Sutskever (31:26) - Elon Musk lawsuit (41:18) - Sora (51:09) - GPT-4 (1:02:18) - Memory & privacy (1:09:22) - Q* (1:12:58) - GPT-5 (1:16:13) - $7 trillion of compute (1:24:22) - Google and Gemini (1:35:26) - Leap to GPT-5 (1:39:10) - AGI (1:57:44) - Aliens