#400 – Elon Musk: War, AI, Aliens, Politics, Physics, Video Games, and Humanity
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So I was just thinking about the roman empire as one does .

does that whole me um where oh guys I think about the roman empire this once and half the .

population confused whether you or not but more seriously thinking about the war going on in the world today. And as you know, war and military conquest has been a big part of a roman society in culture and IT. I think it's been a big part of most empires and dyna sy store human history.

So yeah usually up came as a resort conquest. I mean, this like the also ongoing impact where there was just a lot of sort of clever marriages. But fundamentally.

there's an engine of conquest. They celebrate excEllence in warfare. Many of the leaders were excEllent generals.

Yeah, that kind of thing. So a big picture question, grog approved. I asked to a good question, asked .

approved a at .

least on fun mode. To what degree do you think war is part of human nature versus a consequence of how human societies are structured? I asked this. As you have somehow controversially been a proponent of peace.

I am generally a proponent of peace when ignorances pepps, in my view, the real enemy to countered that's the real hard part not you know fighting on the human um but all all creators fight I mean the gal is like you look at the you think of this nature is hats some sort of peaceful thing but in fact IT is not there some quite funny when when a her talk thing where he's like in the jungle, like saying that it's like basically just murdering death in every direction and the plants animals in the jungle constant trying to killing each other every single day, every minute so it's not like get we're unusual in that respect but this there's .

a relevant question here whether with greater intelligence comes greater control over these base .

instincts for violence yes we have much more variability to control our art. Um the bigger thinking for violence then say a chimpanzee and in fact, if you find looks to say chimpanzee ety IT is not friendly, I mean the benevent an exception, but champion si society is a part of violence and IT quite terrific, Frankly. That's that's olympic system action like you not be on the right side of which of zeal e your face off entail nuts .

off yeah because there's no limits or ethics or the romance is just war. There's no just war. In chenzhou, ety was warn and a dominance. Bani means necessary.

Yet two of the society is a part, like a primitive version of a human society. They are not like peace loving basically um at all um there there's extreme violence um and they wants a while. Somebody who watched too many disney movies decides to raise japanee as a pad then that deeds their face or there not to offer choose different self. I can think, yeah.

that part out ripping in your itself, an interesting strategy for interaction.

it's happened to people, is so unformed like that. I guess one way, sure, that the other temp doesn't take you, you know, contribute to the gentle .

well from a martial large prospect is .

a fascinating the not refer.

I want to watch of .

the martial arts teaches that I think you say your nuts in their and as the option moving him off, you will be amenable to whatever they want.

yeah. So like I said, somehow, controversially, you've been a proponent of peace on on twitter, on x, yes, let me ask about the war going on today and to see what the path the piece could be. How do you hope the current war in israel, gaza comes to an end? Ah what path you see that can minimize human suffering in the long term in that part of the world?

I think that while the world is is definitely like you look up the there is no easy answer in the dictionary. It'll be that like the picture of the released um individual especially so there is no easy answer um when what my this strictly my opinion of you know is that to. The the goal of mass was to provoke an overreaction from israel. The visit did not expect to, they are have a military Victory, but they they expect that they really wanted to the worst trustees that they could in order to provoke the the most aggressive response possible for mister um and then leverage that the rest of response to um really muslim to worldwide for the course of uh gazin housein which they have succeed in doing um so the the the cannon erode of thing here, I think the the thing that I think should be done even though is very difficult uh is that um I I would recommend that israel engage in the most conspicuous acts of kindness possible, every everything that is the actual thing that would thought the goal of .

much so in some sense that agree that makes sense in geopolitics. Turn other cheek implemented .

it's not exactly turn the other trick because I do think that is um you know I think IT IT is appropriate for israel to find the homos members and you know um either either killed more or cost with them um like that something has be done because that they're keep keep keep coming oh wise um but in addition to that they need to do whatever they can um this on talk of establishing, for example, a mobile hospital. I recommend doing that um .

just making .

sure that um you know this food, water, medical necessaries and just be over .

the tough about IT .

and be very transparent so that can your cat claim is a trick like this per well came on the thing you twenty four seven deploy acts .

of .

kindness but yeah conspires .

acts of kindness that that with their unequipped mini that can be right somehow, because impossible. Then the response to be able to trick, therefore you have to account how is not a trick.

This ultimately fights the broader the force of hatred in in the region.

Yes, they are not sure who said that to Parker saying, but in I that when I makes everyone light now that neat the words, they really believe in the whole ee for anything. But I mean, really have if if you don't want to just out right commit genocide like him against entire people, which I was, who would not be acceptable to to to really should be acceptable to anyone um then you you're gonna leave basically a lot of people alive who subsequently you hate as well. So really a question is how for every house member that you kill.

how did you create?

And if you create more than you kill, you've not succeeded. That's the, you know, the real situation there. And IT would say that if you know um. If you if if you kill somebody y's child in gaza, you you've made at least .

a few homes .

members who will die just kill is really that's the situation so but .

bit I mean.

this is one of the most contentious subjects what could best way discuss but but I I think if if the goal but is some sort of long term peace would have to be look at us from standpoint of over time, are there more or fewer terrorists being created?

Let me just, uh, linger on war.

Yeah what war is safe, says, existed and always will exit.

always will exist.

Has has existed, always will exist.

I hope.

think always, they will always be all. This question is how much will and and um you know what this sort of the scope, scale of all, but much that there would not be any warn if you try, I think would be very unlikely outcome.

He talked about the culture series there's war, even there, yes.

as giant war. The first books also off with the a giant's collective world where trillions die, trillions.

But it's still nearly protect these pockets of of flourishing. Somehow you can have galactic war and still have pockets .

of flourishing. Yeah I mean, it's I guess if we are able to one day expand, do you know full the galaxy, whatever they will be, a collect car.

That's a what oh, the scale, I mean, the scale of wars been increasing, increasing, increasing. It's like a race between the scale of suffering.

the scale of flourishing. yes.

A lot of people seem to be using this tragedy to beat the drums of war and feed the military industrial complex. Do you worry about this? The people who are rooting for escalation? And how can I be stopped?

One of things that does concern me is that there are very few people live today who actually visually understand the horse of war, at least in the U S.

I mean obvious ly of people in on the front lines, ukraine, russia who understand just had terrible warriors but how many who will in the west understand that um you know my grandfather in water or two he was severely traumatized and he was there can look for almost six years in the in east and north african italy uh all these friends were killed a in front of him and he would have died too um except they friendly gave some tax I Q test for them and he scored very high um now he was not an off that was I think corporal assertion like that because he didn't finish high school. He had to drop at high school because his his dad died and he had to work to support his brings. So because he didn't graduate high school, he was not eligible for the offset core.

So you know if you kind of put into the canon voter category basically um but then the round that gave the test, he IT was transferred red to british intelligence in london that ran at my grandmother um but he had pete s the next level like the next level, I mean, just didn't talk, just didn't talk. And if you try to talk him, he's just tell your shop and he want a bunch of metals never never write about once not not even be hinted nothing I like found out about IT because I his military records line has a so how so he was that like no no way. Now do you want do you want to do that game? But how many people um he he died twenty years ago, a longer actually thirty years ago. How many .

people are alive .

that remember what or two not many.

And then perhaps supplies the threat of nuclear war.

Yeah, I mean, there are enough to be also pointed at the united states to make the ravel, the radio act. Ravel bounce many games.

There's two major wars going on right now. So you talked about the thread of A G I quite a bit. But now as we sit here with the intensity of conflict gone on, do you worry about nuclear war?

I think we couldn't scout the possible of nuclear war. IT is a civilization thread. um. Right now I could be wrong but I think that the current probability of nuclear war is quite um but there are a lot of next point at us so and we are a lot of next pointed other people so there put the two kinds away, the muscles are stalling, silence.

and the leaders don't need to be the ones with the news talk to to each other no.

there wars which are tragic and difficult on a local basis. And then there wars which are civilization ending or has that potential after global. The nuclear fare has hypotension al and civilization have press permanently, but to severely well and have A.

Setback human progress by here 就 the storage or I don't know， pretty bad. Probably that scientists and won't be super popular after that as well like you got to this man. So generally, which I think we we also want to prioritize civilization risks over things that are um painful and tragic on on a local level but .

not civilization.

How do you hope the war ukraine comes to end? And what's the path once again, to minimize human suffering there?

Well, I think that what what is likely to happen, which is really very much the way is, is that telling very close to the current lines will be how a ceasefire or truth happens. But you know you just have a situation right now where who goes on the offensive, we will suffer casualties at several times the rate of who whoever on the defeat because you've got the defense and death in your mind. Fields, trenches, anti tank defences, nobody has air pity um because the anti aircraft missile are really far Better than the the aircraft like to far more of them and so neither side has air superiority tanks basically death draft um just slow moving and there they're not let me into antitch weapons so you really just have long range of teary and uh inference french ches it's well .

the one .

all over again withdrawn here throw an old drone some .

drives there which makes the is a and Better and with more fish ent murdering people .

on both sides yeah so whoever is you don't want to be trying to advance for me the site because the problem of dying is um so in order to overcome uh. Defense in depth, trenches in mind fields, you really need a significant local all superiority numbers um ideally combined ones. Where were you? You do a fast attack with aircraft concentrated number of attacks um and a lot of people.

That's the only way you going to punch through a line. And then do you get a punch through and and then not have reinforcements to kick you right out again? I mean, if I really recommend people read a world will one welfare in detail .

as rough. I ve been a year number of .

people that died. There was mine boggling.

And it's almost impossible to imagine the end of IT. That doesn't look like almost exactly like the beginning in terms of what land belongs to who and so on. But another side of a lot of human suffering, death, struction of infrastructure.

Yes the reason I you know propose a some serve truth or or peace a year ago was because i've predicted pretty much exactly what what what happened ah which is a lot of people dying for basically almost no changes in land um and the the the the loss of the the flower of ukrainian and russian youth.

And we should have some impact thy for the the russian boys as well as ukrainean boys because the right words ask to be on the front line, they have to be so this large. Sons not not come back to their friends, you know and I think most don't turn, have eight outside. And I sort of like, is this the same but like the same caption model when it's Young people who don't know each other, killing each other on behalf of old men that do know each other. The point of that.

So volta is land. Skii said that he's not or has said in the past he's not interested in talk to and put directly. Do you think he should they are, sit down, man a man, lead a leader and negotiate .

peace I think I would just recommend do not send the flower of ukrainy youth to to die a entrenches whether he talks to britton or not just don't do that um whoever he goes inly enerve will lose massive numbers of people um. And he will not kindly for them.

He spoke honestly about the possibility of war between U. S. In china in the long term, if no diplomatic solution is found. For example, on the question of taiwan, in one china policy, right, how do we avoid the trajectory where these two superpowers clash?

Well, it's worth reading that book on. The difficult to pronounce to saturday travel was called, I love war history, alec, inside, out and backwards. This hardly a battle haven't read about and and trying to fear like what what really was the course of Victory in any particular case, as opposed to what one side or another claim for the the reason .

both the Victory and what Sparked the war yeah yeah.

the whole thing.

yeah. So that attends.

And Spark is classic case to think about the greeks. They really wrote down the stuff. They are love writing. There are lots of interesting things that happen many parts the world, but that people and write down don't know what happened or they didn't really write with in detail.

They just would say, like we went, we had a battle and we want like what had a bit more the greeks, they're really rode a lot. They're very articulate and on they just love writing so and we have bunched with that writing that's preserved. So we know what LED up to the palpitation between the spotted and etherium lions. Um and we we know that they they for quite they sort of coming I think that smarter than right they also won't break for a box by their nature but they do write but they won't break for both.

They were terse but the thing is the other greeks were line and they were like um and part to really they can like the leader of of greece um but but athens grew stronger and stronger with each passing year and um and everyone's like, well that's inevitable that A B between paths since ba uh what how do we avoid that and they could they couldn't get actually they sort coming and they still could not avoid IT. So you know at some point if there's if one group, one of a country of whatever um exceeds another, sort of like if you know the united states have been the biggest k kt in the block, I think ground eighteen nineteen from an economic example so the united have been the economic not helpful economic engine in the world longer than anyone has been life um. And the foundation war is economics.

so. Now we have a situation in case china wear the um the economist is likely to be two, perhaps three times larger than that of the U. S. So imagine the biggest killed in the block for long as they will remember. And suddenly ly a kit comes long, he twice your size.

So we see a coming as possible to stop this. Are some, let me throw something out there, just intermixing in of cultures, understanding there just seem to be a giant culture gap in understanding of each other. And you're an interesting case study because you are an american. Obviously you done a lot, uh, incredible manufactured here in states, but also work with china. I ve spent a .

lot of time in china, met with the leadership many times.

make a good question. Ask is what are some things about china that people don't understand positive, just in the culture, with some interesting things that you've learned .

about the chinese well. A the disher number of really smart, hardworking people in china is incredible. Uh, there are really select how many smart, hard work people than china, far more than there than are here.

I think in my in my opinion. The never lot energy. So I mean, the architecture in china that in recent years is far more impressive than the U.

S. I mean the train stations, the buildings, the high speed rail, everything is um really far more impressive than what we have A U. S. I. I mean, I recommend we just go to shanghai, beijing, look at the puddings and go to a take the train from beijing to see on where you have the territory warriors. I'm china is got incredibly history, very long history. And you know, I think I love you believe the in terms of the use of language from from a written standpoint um so one of one of the oldest the oldest written language and and then china people did write things .

down so .

um that china um his starkly has always been, with rare exception, been internally focused. They're not been acquisitive. Uh they're there for each other. They would ve been many, many civil wars. Um in the three kingdom war I believe they lost about seventy .

percent of population .

so on and so the they had brutal internal wars like civil wars that make the U. S of all look small by person. Um so I think .

it's important .

to appreciate the china is not monolithic. C um we think of think of like china is a sort of one entity with one mind. And this is definitely the case, from what i've seen。 And I think most people who understand china would agree the people in china to think about china ten times when they think about anything outside of china. So it's like ninety percent of the consideration is, you know other art is in internal.

Well, isn't that a really positive thing when you're talking about the collaboration in the future peace between superpowers, when you're inward facing, which is like focusing on improving yourself, this is focusing on you could not could improving others through military might.

In the good news, the history of china suggests that china is not acquisitive being they're not going to go invade whole bunch countries. Um I do feel very strongly, you know, so that's that's good. I mean because lot of a lot of very powful countries have been acquisitive.

Um the the U S. Is one of the also one of the rare cases that has not been a question ash world or two the U. S.

Could have basically taken over the world in any country like we got nukes, also got nukes, you know we have to lose soldiers um which country you want and I says could have taken off everything at well and I didn't and the says actually helped revolt countries to help revolt europe and helps rebuild japan um this is very unusual behavior, almost unprecedented um. You know the U S. Did consequent acts of kindness like the world in aleph.

Um and and I think you know so is like what amErica is done bad things well, of course americans and bad things things but one is look at the the whole track record and and just generally. You know one one sort of test would be how do you treat your prisons war or let's say, um no no offense, the russians but let's say you're in germany is one thousand nine hundred forty five you got the russia I come on one side. You got the french.

British economy is coming. Other side, who would you like to be? Is ready to do like no country is like morally perfect. But I recommend being appeared with the americans. That would be, in my choice, very strong onely .

in the form menu, peeled up very much.

So in fact, Brown took, you know, a song guy was like, we've got to captured by the americans. And in in fact, the assess was under orders to execute my Brown and all of the german recognitions a and they narrow, escaped their S S. That they were going out for a walk in the word they left in the middle ter with no coats um and then ran like even no food, no coats, no water and just ran like hell um and ran west um and by share like the his brother found like A A bicycle or something and and then just cycled where as fast he couldn't found found A U S.

Patrol um so anyway, that's this one way you can tell moralities do you want to be appear of you does not find anywhere but some places and much worse others so like amErica has been a well far from perfect generally of of a bentleys ce and uh we should always be so critical and uh we try to be Better. Um but um anyone to have right knows that so so I think there are in this way china and the united tes are similar. Neither country has been acquisitive um in in a significant way.

So that's like a you know a shared principle I guess. Um now now china just feel very strongly about taiwan. They've been very clear about that for a long time um here from this standpoint, it's would be like one of the state you know not dare like like how are something like that but but more significant than why you. Know why is very significant for us. So that theyve feared as as really the there's a fundamental part of china, the island to for most so not taiwan that is um not part of china but should be and the only reason IT hasn't been is because the use specific fat.

And is their economic power growth and is their military power growth the thing that they are clearly saying is their interest. Will you clearly be materialized?

Yes, china has been very clear that they will a CoOperate taiwan peacefully or military but that they were in CoOperated from this same point is one hundred percent likely not something .

you said about conspicuous acts of kindness. As a geopolitical policy, IT always seems naive, but adventures say that this is probably the path forward. How you avoid most wars just says, you say that sounds naive, but it's kind of brilliant if you believe in the goodness of underlying most of human nature. IT just seems like conspicious acts of kindness can reverberate through the populous of the countries involved. Yeah, well, in the equate, absolutely.

So after all, do a one. They made a big mistake, you know they basically tried to lump all the blame on germany um and and and you settle journey with a impossible reparations and you know really there was a lot of there was affair quite about a blame to um go out for all one um but they try to .

you put all .

in germany and that was that that laid the seeds for or two ah so that's a lot of people were not just had A A lot of people felt wrong and they want agent and they got IT people don't .

forget .

yeah you know you kill somebody is father, mother, son, daughter they not going forget IT they will want version um so after all or two they're like, well that treat of a side was a huge mistake um a one and so this time instead of ah you a crushing the .

losers were were actually .

can help them with the martial plan and we're can help reveal revealed germany we're going to help revolt in australia the other you know italian won't not so that. Was right move.

There's just feel like this a profound truth to a conspicious EXO kind is being a antidote to this.

Something must the cycle .

of a super al violence.

Something must stop IT. Or you will, you know, you never tell I for I, tooth for tooth, live for them, life for a life, forever, ever.

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I wish IT first of everything in life had a fun mode. yeah. And there's something compelling beyond just fun about the fun mode yeah interacting with a large language model, not exactly what IT is because I only have had a little bit of trying to play with IT, but he just makes IT more interesting, more viBrant to interact with the system.

absolutely. I um R R A I grog is modeled after the he to get to galaxy um which is one of my favourite ooks, which is is a book on pilsbury. This guy is just a book on humour. And I will say that is .

that forms .

the basis of my philosophy, which is that we don't know the meaning of life, but the more we can expand the scope, scale of consciousness. Digital and biological, the more were able to understand what questions to ask about the answer. That is the universe. So I have a philosophy of .

curiosity.

There is generally a feeling like this. A I system has an outward looking, like the way you are, like sitting with a good friend, looking up at the stars like this, asking pod head, like questions about the universe, wondering ing what is all about the curiosity. Talk about there's a sense, no matter how on dying the question I ask IT, there's a sense of cosmic.

grander to the whole thing. We are actually working hard to have a engineering, math, physics answers that you can come on. Um so for the other sort of a eis up there that these so called large language models, um I have not found the uh engineering to be reliable um and the luCindy unfortunately lucrative most when you least wanted to illuminate. So when you ask important difficult questions, that's what IT tends to be comfortable wrong um so we rarely train hot to say, okay, how do we be as grounded as possible so you can count on the results and .

try things .

back to physics first principles, mathematical logic um so underlying the humor is an aspiration to at here to the truth the universe is closely .

as possible.

That's really tRicky.

That is tRicky. So that's .

why you .

know you you there always can be some matter error, but do we want to aspire to be .

truthful as possible .

about the answers are with acknowledged error so that there was always you don't be confined wrong so you know not going to be right every time, but you know you want to menie half when you're confidently wrong and then I said once you can count on the logic as being um not violence in physics, then you can start to to bull on that to create a inventions like invent new technologies but if if you can if if you cannot account on the foundational physical being correct obviously the inventions are safely wishful thinking .

you imagination .

and magic basically well.

as you said, I think one of the big goals of xi s to understand the universe yes.

that's a simple three word mission.

Um if you look out far into the future, do you think on this level of physics, the very edge of what we understand about physics, do you think you will make discoveries, sort of the sexiest st discovery of them as as we know now, sort of unifying general relativity and economy mechanics? So coming up with the theory of everything, do you think you could push told that direction, almost like theoretical physics discoveries?

If I I cannot figure new physics, it's clearly not equal to humans, not have pass humans, because humans have figured out new physics. New physics is just the evening once incited how reality works. And then, then, then this engineering, which is inventing things that have never existed.

Now, the range of possible for engineering is far greater than for physics because, you know, we once to forget the world's universe, uh, that's that. You've discovered things that already existed. I'm IT from that.

You can then build technologies with really almost limitless in the variety and cape side down, the rules, the game properly. And we have current physics. We do, at least at the local lel, understand to how physics works very well.

We are ready to predict things is incredible, good, like kind of changes is through which quite of can predict outcomes incredible. 嗯， this is my hardest class in college, right way. I my a kind of afghani class was harder than all of my other classes put .

together to get in A I system, a large language model to to a reliably B S. Reliables conomo. mechanics. And physics is very difficult.

yeah, if you have to test any, any conclusions against the ground. Truth of the reality is, alma judge, like physics is the law. Everything also is a recommendation. I've seen playing people break the break. The laws, made my man, but none break the laws, but made by physics.

It's a good test. actually. If this one understands and match physics, then you can more reliably trust whatever IT thinks about the current state politics.

And it's also not not the case currently that uh even that its internal logic is not consistent. Um so especially um with this with the approach of like just predicting token, predict token, predict token. It's like a Victor thun you know you you're summed up a bunch of vectors, but you can get drift. So as those a little bit of error, a little bit error adds up. And by the time you are many token s down the path, yours IT doesn't make any sense.

So has to be somehow self aware about the drift.

IT has to be a software about drift and then look at the thing as a good stalled as a whole and and say IT doesn't have coherence as a whole. So you know, when authors write books that they will write book and then they'll going revise IT take into account and all the end of the beginning in the middle and and rewrite to achieve coherence so that IT doesn't end up in a nonsensical place.

Maybe the process of revising is what yeah reasoning is and then that's the surprising is how you get close closer the truth maybe you like least I promised that way. You just say when you bullsh IT first then you get a Better you start a bullshit .

and you create draft and then and then and then you iterate on that draft um until IT has coherent, until IT IT all adds up, basically.

So another question about theory of everything before intelligence. Do you think there exists as your exploits with X A I creating intelligence system? Do you think there is a theory of intelligence where you get to understand what, like what is the ee in A G. I? What is the iron human intelligence?

Is no iron team amErica away here?

That's gonna stuck in my head now. Yeah, there is no mean in whatever in quana mechanics on wait. Uh, I mean, is that part of the process of discovering, understanding the universe is understanding intelligence?

yeah. Yeah I think we need to understand talent, understand conscious ness. I mean, I mean, there are some sort fundamental questions of like what is thought? What is emotion yeah um is really just one item bumping into another item.

IT feels like something more than that. So I I I think we're probably missing some really big things. Like some really big things.

something they'll be obvious in this respect, yes, like this a giant you put the whole consciousness, emotion or something .

would call like like a soul religious a so um like you feel like you are you right? I mean you didn't feel like you're just collection atoms, but on what dimension to sort exist, what dimension does the emotions exist? We feel them very strongly. Um I suspect there's more to IT than items bumping into items.

And maybe A I can pave the path to the discovery, what whatever the how that thing is yeah.

what is consciousness like what when you put the Adams in particular shape, why are they able to form thoughts and take actions that into feelings? And even if there is an illusion.

why is the solution so compelling here?

Why does the solution exist? On what plane does the solution exist? Yeah um and that sometimes I .

want to is you know .

either perhaps everything's concious or nothing's um one of the two I like the former .

everything conscious just seems more fun is this seem what's .

not more fine is um but we're composed of attempt attempt composed of cox and leptotheria cocks leptons have been around science ginning of the universe.

the beginning of the universe right?

What would seem to be the beginning of universe?

The first time we talked you said you, which is so real to think that this discussion was happening is becoming a reality. I asked you, what question would you ask an ag access than once you create IT? And you said, what's outside the simulation? The question and the question yeah but this seems like the greg he started that is literally uh the system goes to be able to ask such questions, to answer such questions, to ask such questions.

Where are the aliens?

The that's .

one of the family paradox question um a lot of people asked me seen any snap? I haven't which is kind of concerning because then I think would I probed preferred at least have seen some ological event surveilLance to the best my knowledge there is no problem that I know of any other surveilLance if the foot out there are the very subbed we might just be the only consciousness at least in the galaxy um.

And if you, if you look at to the history of earth, far of the archaic logical record, authors, about four half billion years old. Civilization, as measured from the first writing, is only about five thousand years old. Have to give some credit there to the ancient marian who ought around anymore.

He was the archaic, pretty uniform with the first actual symbolic representation, but only about five thousand years ago. I think that's a good date for when would say civilization started. That's one millions of our existence.

So civilization has been around. It's really flash in the pan so far. And why why have .

we .

why did you take so long for yeah what happened years? For the vast majority at time, there was no life and then there was archaic bacteria for a very long time. And then you are yet. Might a concrete captured multiple .

lio life .

differentiation into plants and animals, life moving from the oceans to land mammals, higher brain functions and the sun is expanding slowly. Um but IT IT will IT will IT will IT will heat heat us up at at some point the future boil the oceans and an earth will become like Venus which were no life life as we know IT is impossible so if we do not become multiplying eti and Alice go on a solar system, a iolaus of all life on earth is a certainty it's certainty um and IT could be as little less on the collected time scale half a billion years long time by human standards but that's only ten person longer than earth has been round at all so if if if had taken ten, is that longer to evolve on earth? IT wouldn't exist at all.

We got a deadline coming up, but a hurry. But that says, you said humans, intelligent life on earth developed a lot of custom very quickly. So yes, IT IT seems like becoming a multiple anti is almost inevitable unless we're destroy.

we do IT. I mean, it's it's not mean, I suspect that there there if we are able to out there and explore at the star systems, that we there's a good chance we find A A whole much of long dead one planet locations. Yeah, they never made her past there a home planet.

I so said, said, also fascinating over there is race .

to explanations with bring products. And one is the of these, these great filter res, which civilizations don't pass through. And one of those great voters is, do you become a multipass civilization or not? And if you don't, it's simply matter of time before something happens on your planet.

You know, is natural man made that causes us to die like the dinosaur. Where are they know? They don't have spaceship. So I think the .

more likely thing is because just the empathy with the aliens the day they found us and they're protecting us and .

letting us be, I so over nice .

as just like the tribes and in the amazon, they are contact tribes were protecting them. What explanation you could have like was IT uh, I think under quality said like the ant and I was on asking where .

is everybody well, they do run in to other other rds. That's that this ant wars. Such a good T V show. Yeah they literally have this big walls between verse. And maybe .

i'm just dismissing all the different diversity vans that when .

a her dog talking about the jungle through this no.

I not, I guess, away.

You should play, you should play IT for the, you know, as an interlude in the beauty with you.

I love them so much. See the director of happy people life in the, I think also did .

their fair documentary that Better .

document about penguins, the depart, the anal sis psychology.

is the penguins like headed for, like, the mountains like that are like seventy miles. Penguin is just for doing basically .

well hynd take that he could be just a brave explore, and there will be great stories told about him among gs, the penguin population for many centuries to come. Um what would .

we talking about?

okay. um.

Yes, alias, I mean, I don't know you look, I think it's the smart move. A is just, you know, this is the first time in the history of earth that is impossible for life to extend beyond earth, that windows open now IT may be open for a long time, or may be open for short time, and IT IT may be open now and then never open again. So I think, I think the smart move here is to make life fanti plantar.

Well, that is possible to do so. We don't want to be one of those. Only one plant civilizations .

just dies out ay.

Speculation we want there's .

not gonna be a wikipedia entry .

for one of .

one of those and pause the space ex have an official policy for when we meet alien.

No.

that seems .

irresponsible.

If I see the slides indication that there are aliens, I will immediately personal the x platform. Yeah, anything I know .

could be the most liked reposted post of all time yeah.

I mean, look, we we have more satellites up there right now than everyone else combined. So we know, we know, we know if we ve got a maneuvre around something and we not have maneuver around anything.

If you go to the big questions once again, you said you're you're with einstein that you believe in got a pianosa.

yes.

So you know that's a view that got is like the universe is revealed themselves through the laws of physical, or as einstein, through the lawful harmony of the world.

Yeah, I would agree like that. God, the little or whatever, the spring being or beings reveal themselves through the physics, and they have creators of the existence. Can I come upon us to try to stand more about this one reserved.

who created this thing? Who's running this thing like ebing IT into a singular question with a sexy word on top of IT is like focusing that might understand IT does seem like there's a again, there could be an illusion that seems like there is a purpose that there's underlying master plan. Some kind IT seems like there .

may not be a must plan in the sense. So this, like we are interesting, answered to the question of determining versus free well, is that if we are in a simulation, the reason that that these heroines would hold a mulai is to see what happens. So it's not, they don't know what happens, uh, oh, wise, they would hold the simulation.

So humans create simulation, so its space acx and tea, we create mutations all the time, specially for the rocket. You, you, you know, you have to run a lot of simulations to understand what's onna happen because you can't really test the rocket until IT goes to space and you wanted to work. So you have you have to simulate subsidiary transonic help of super si crossing ic ascent and then coming back, super I heating and little of dynamics, and all those are going to stimulated. So could do I get very many kicks at the can, but we run the simulation to see what happens, not if we knew what have we would run the simulation. So if if there's so ever created this existence is they're running IT because they don't know what's gonna en, not because they do.

So maybe a we both played db. Maybe db was created to see if I drawed at your character could defeat ub illa at the end. They didn't know. Well.

the only thing is let us title is hatred and carnet yeah um and right .

now I guess .

you can tell him but it's almost impossible to defeat hatred uh in the eternal room yeah you've streamed yourself dominating two one hundred dunes .

and still I can cruse through two one hundred nightmare ins like a .

straw in the pot and still you're defeated by hatred yeah like .

the sort of I guess .

may be the second hottest place is denial duro canyon scratched the paint so I called duro duro so many times um and every other bus the game for volume give up some time easy but overall the others not as hatred in carnet especially you're trude and you have no ability to go to be a vulnerable this random death waves that that come at you. And i'm pretty, you know, I really am fifty two.

Somebody reflect to know what the easy, but I have a lifetime of playing any games. At one point I was, you know, maybe one of the best quick players in the world actually want money for what I think was the first paid the sports tournament in the U. S.

But four person quick tournament, and we came second. I was the second best person on the team and the actual best person that we're actually winning. We were good to converse exact the best personal team.

His computer crashed to the game um so we came second but I got money for IT nothing. So like basically I got skills i'll be IT, you know no nose bring bring chicken these days and we told Frank is driving me crazy trying to beat louth as a druid. Basically try to be, try to be a hate in .

count in the eternal .

role as a do IT do IT. If you, if you is really xing, tell you.

I mean the chAllenges. Part of the fun I have seen directly, like you're actually like a world class incredible video game player yeah and I think the o is just picking up a new game and you figure out its fundamental. You're also with the paragon on border in the build are not somebody like me who perfectly falls whatever they suggest on the internet. You're also an innovator there. Yeah we just polarize to watch I think is like a mad scientist just trying to figure out the paragon n board, the build no um is there some machine insights there about um if somebody starting is a druid do have advice.

I would not recommend playing a third in the tomorrow um right right now I think that was powful character in in the seasonal rm is the solution with the lighting balls. So the socks have huge balls in the seasonal .

yeah so they .

say is a huge balls. I do huge balls lighting.

I'll thank you work for IT and it's .

actually in in the seasonal around you can you can it's like pretty easy to be to overload the we should get these one part powers that out of fire damage and increase your defense and why not so um but good quite used to defeat hatred seasonally, but defeat hatred eternally RAID of cold um almost impossible, good and possible IT seems like this a metaphor for life.

I like the idea that you on mask because I saw I was planning to other yesterday I saw one hundred level, one hundred Georges run by I will never die and I run back to, and there's just some this metaphor, kind of hilarious, that you, elon mosque is fighting hatred restlessly fighting hatred in this demonic ground. Yes, it's hilary and is pretty .

hild really .

is exercising. Everybody makes me .

for my hair on yeah I what do you get from video again there for you, for you .

but I don't math. It's IT comes my mind I mean, you sort of killing the dies in video game comes the demons in my mind yeah if if you play a tough video game, you can get into like a state flow which is very enjoyable um and medical IT needs to be not too easy, not too hard kind of in the goldy locks zone um and I guess you don't really want to feel like you're progressive the game so um a good video and and there's also a beautiful art, engaging story lines and it's it's it's like an amazing puzzle is all I think and so like saving the puzzle .

ring the Grace game all time. I still played IT but you .

alerting is definitely candidate for best. Me top up for sure. I think .

i've been scared how hard that is, how hard I hear IT is so, but is beautiful.

altering is feels .

like it's designed by an alien.

Is the theme to this discussion in what .

it's it's it's so unusual. It's incredibly created in the artist, stunning. I like playing on on a big resolution.

Pid donec. T V even just needs to be a monitor. Just the artist incredible is so beautiful and IT is so unusual, and each is topped. Boss battle is unique, like a sucking unique puzzles to solve. He was different, and the strategy used to solve one battle is the different from another battle.

That said, you said drew, an eternal against uvula is the hardest boss battle you've ever correct.

That is currently. And I I played a lot of video games because I primary recreation activity. And yes, beating hatred in the eternal alm is the hardest boss battle in life and in body.

I am not sure as much, but if I do make progress, so then i'm like, okay, making progress. Maybe if I just tweet that paragon on board a little more, I can do IT give just dodge of humor waves. I IT. Well, the simulation is .

created for the purpose of figgers out, if you can be done, and you're just a cog in that simulation, in the machine of the simulation.

I I have a feeling that at least as I think. Still is is still as well.

That's the human spirit right there to believe yeah I mean.

you did promptly to think about IT just hate in general, which is you you you want to be careful of one of those things where you wish for something that sounds good. But but if you get IT, it's actually just stop an situation. So you know, IT sort of a sort of five have offers of, like if you wish for world peace sounds good, but has enforced.

And at what cost, at what cost? Eternal peace IT might actually be worse to have eternal peace because of what that would entail, the suppression of everyone that might be the suppression of progress, that might be an also fight society that never changes. One of saying is that there is argument that. You, you, that if you wish for no war, you should be careful what you wish for, because what's required in order to, for that, be noble. Might be worse than a little war.

Yeah the things were considered to be flaws of human citizen might be a necessary components for whatever optimal looks like. Um I mean this the world about A I A G I abbi a disobeying state of this nature. Well, there's nineteen eighty four with surveilLance in fear or brave new world with pleasure and what is a .

lots of sex but no.

I deep human experience.

You know there's actually a real drug called somma. Yes, take no. They actually .

got probably got to brave new world.

Good ask you .

will be the question.

Tell us about the drug called .

summer drug called stomach. It's gonna to brave new world, I think.

Well, there's a real drug as well.

searching for so much drug information, a boy, Tommy, the want to drop, by the way, and fun mode. Oh.

okay, yes, I think about the real drug.

Oh, it's a muscle relaxing ant has been around sst, the one thousand fifties is used to treat muscle pain in this comfort. And IT does this by altering the activity between neurons and the spinal cord. Now so what isn't just a pain in reliever? It's also a bit of a sentient IT can make you feel a bit drowsy. So not something to take if you're planning and Operating having machinery are trying to self complex and IT goes on and on in conclusion. So as a drug that can be helpful for those dealing with muscle pain, but it's not without its risks, pretty good await.

That's the real drug, talking about the real drug.

And of course, the fun is always use IT responsibly and accordance with the advice of a health, are professional. And remember, in the end, the universe is probably the giant computer simulations that don't take anything too seriously. I love.

yes.

also really nicely. A includes A A, the tweet post on acts that are relevant to this, which is really cool. yeah. And that integrates everything together like they interface. That is one of the really cold things here you like.

Great job. So like you could tell, no, I no, I mean, summer from brain brave new world IT thinks you mean, you mean some of the real drug? Yeah, no. I mean so much from brain beer world.

It's going to be like hope. I'm really sorry. I'm really surprising to the real drug first.

Ah my apologies. As they go the most relaxed and someone for brand new world. There's a different beef altogether.

Now this hoxer is top in. Now soma is a drug that place a central role in society depicted in the book. It's a mood altering hello sienite drug that's used to keep the population darci and content in the novel. To use so many brave new world raises some interesting questions about the nature of happiness and the role of drugs in society.

Human exactly is a Better to live the world where everyone is happy all the time, even if that happy happiness is artificial. Good question, does what I mean? Like, do you want to do you wish for world peace and happiness all the time? What are you sure? Um because that might be society that is essentially steal an osiride that never changes, that is ultimately .

doing this kind .

of tension between.

H, when is really a very good summary? IT really gets the point. This is not simply negotiators. Our brave the world is actually getting to the silent elements of soma as a drug. Do you, do you actually want to be a situation where everyone is happy all the time, even though is not official, or is Better to confront the chAllenges of life and experience full range of human emotions, even that means experiences pain and suffering .

for those listening, by the way, you are just read directly from greg, which is a really nice kind of insightful full aff analysis of attention here. I think IT pretty much knows IT.

In conclusion, summer from brave new world is fictional drug that he used to explode. Some deeper sopco questions about the nature of happiness and the role drugs in society is a powerful symbol of the dangers of using drugs to escape from reality and the importance of confronting the chAllenges of life head on. Now that and .

then the .

crazy is like, you know, we do have a real drug consumers, which kind of this is kind of like the drug in the book and I like have named IT, yes. Yeah, some of the real drug is quite effective on back.

So you know what? This object is fascinating. Okay.

because I had like this, yeah, squashed a this way. See five, six. So IT takes .

the physical pain away. But so my here IT .

doesn't completely IT reduces the amount of pain you feel, but at the expense of mental security IT tells your mind just just like the drug at the book.

just like the drug at the book yeah enhance trade off the thing that seems like the topic could be .

a the topic after yeah I actually two of mine um saying like would you really wanted to be no hate the world like, really none. Like, I wonder why I hate evolved. Not saying wish to amplify hair. Of course I would try to minimize IT, but but none at all. Hm, there might be a reason .

for head and suffering. I'm really complicated to consider that some amount of human suffering is necessary for a human flourishing.

is possible to appreciate the highs without knowing the lows.

And that always summarize there in a single a statement .

from greg okay .

hi is no lo you know almost support IT seems training on lumps efficiently is a big focus for X I. Oh, what's the what's the limit of what's possible in terms of efficiency? There's this, uh, terminology of useful productivity per watt. What have .

you learned to liming physical, very powerful, can be applied to think to almost any, really any arena in life that is really just a critical thinking. What is something important you need to reason with from first principles and think about things in the limit, one direction or the other. So i'm in the limit even at the college scale, meaning even if you honest the entire power of the sun, you will still care about useful computer.

what. So that's where I think probably where things headed from the same point of A I is that we have a silicon shortage now that will transition to a volage transfer mer shortage in about a year. Ironically, transformers for transformers, you need, you need transformer and transformer.

Somebody has a sense of human.

I think, yes, close irony, ironic humor and an ironically funny outcome seems to be often what fade want.

Humor is all you need. I think Price is all you need. Somebody posted.

yeah but yeah. So so I was so controller today um a bolted step down transat shortage problem about a year and just electricity shortages in general in about two years.

I I gave a speech for the sort world gathering of util companies like tricity companies um and I I said Lucy really need to prepare for travelling of electricity demand um because all transport is going to electric with their own exception of rockets and and heating will also go electric um so N G to try now as roughly one third very of terms, one the electricity, one the transport, one third heating um and so in order for something to go sustainable, to go electric, you need trouble litter the airport so I encourage the utilities to build more power plants and and also to probably have well well not probably this should definitely buy more batteries because the the grade currently is size for real time load, which is kind of crazy because, you know, that means you got a size for whatever the peak elect. Icy demand is like the worst second of the worst day of the year. Or you can have a brand out of blackout and they read the crazy blackout for several days into in in Austin.

Um so ah because there's almost no buffering of energy in the grade. Like if you ve got a hyder power plant, you can buffer energy, but otherwise it's all real time. So with batteries you can you can produce energy at night and use IT during the day so you can buffer. So I expected there will be a very heavy usage of a batteries in the future because the picture trophy y show for power planes anywhere from two to five, like lowest point to higher point.

So like batters in the city to baLance that out. And then but demand is your thing is going to grow, grow, grow, grow. And part of that is the computer.

Yes, yes. I mean elective. I mean elections, transport a and an electric heating will be much bigger than A I, at least in the short time, in the short time. But but for A I and you, you really have a growing demand for electricity for electric vehicles and a growing demand for electricity for to run the computers for ai. And so this is something we can lead to a .

electricity shortage. How of course, the problem of, uh, in this particular case, maximizing the useful productivity per watt for training your nuts like this seems to be really where .

the big problem .

were facing that needs to be solved is how to use the .

power efficiently.

What you've learned so far about applying this physics first recipes, reasoning this, no matter .

how difficult this problem .

IT will get solved. Just a question of halling IT takes to solve IT. So at very points, there's a limit some some kind of evining factor to progress um and one got to hazing I quite right now limit factories.

So chips and that will we're then have more chips than we can actually plug in and turn on. Um brilliant that year. Um the the initial constraint being literally bolted set down transformers because you've got power coming in at three three hundred thousand boats and it's got a step all way down eventually to around point seven worlds.

So it's a very big amount of the water. Just step down the organic. So and the industry is not used to rather growth.

okay. Let's talk about the competition here. You've shown concern about google, microsoft with open a developing agi. How can you help me sure with X, C, I and uh tesla AI work that doesn't become a competitive race age, but is that as a collaborate development .

of safe g well, I mean, i've been pushing for some kind of regulatory oversight for long time. I've been a mother of cassander on the subject for over decade. Um I think we want to be very careful in how we develop A I. It's it's a it's a great power and with great power comes great responsibility. Um I think that I would be wise for us to have at least um an objective third party who can be like a referee that can go in and understand what the various leading players are doing with A I and even if there's no enforcement ability, they should .

taken at least .

boys concerned publicly you know jeff and for .

example left .

google and he voice strong concern but now he is not a google animal so who's going to voice the concern? So I think I think I like I know Tessa gets a lot of regulatory of a sight on the automotive front. I'm a subject to, I think over one hundred regulatory agencies domestically, internationally a lot.

You could the with the older regulations that tesla has to appear to for automotive, same is true in there for rockets and four IT. Currently liming factor for spacial for starship launch is relator approval. The F, A, is actually given their approval, but we're waiting for fish and wildlife to finish their analysis and give their APP.

That's why I posted, I want to buy a fitial license on. Those are the first, the more distance good. Like why do you need license for your fish? I I don't know.

According to the rules, I told you need some sort of visual license or something. We effectively need a fish license through on a rocket. And great again. How does the fish come into the picture? Yeah um I mean some of the things like that it's I feel like are so absurd that I wanted do like comedy sketch and flesh at the bottom. This is all real this had actually what happened um you know one of the things that there was a lot of a chAllenging point is that they worried about a rocket heating a shock and the oceans very big and half.

And do you see shocks? Uh not that you know as a percentage of ocean service shocks basically or zero and and then will then we said, well, how will we calculate the problem of telling a shock in the well, we can't give you that information because they were ark hunt shock fin hunters, uh, going in hunting sharks and so well, how are we supposed to? We're on the horns of a dilema then they said, well, there's another part of fish onod life that can can do this.

Now a system like why you give them the data, like don't don't trust them, excuse me, you, but they are literally in your department again, this is actually what happened and and and and can you do an andy here something eventually, ally, they managed to solve the internal quandary and indeed the probability of of a siting shock is essentially zero. Um then this is another organza that I didn't rise this until, you know, few months ago, uh, that cares about whether we would potentially hit a whale in international waters. Now again, you look at the surface to look at the vic and say, what percent of is the vic consists of whil like you give you a big picture. Like point out all the whales in this picture like on of any whales basically is that um and if I roget does hit well, just extreme the unlikely beyond all um that is the fate had is that a well has some serious bad luck, you know so at least likely well ever and I mean .

this is quite absurd or cracking the bureaucracy of this cover emerged yes.

I mean when one of things that's pretty well as um for launching out a vantage ook in california, we had to be worried about uh seal procreation, whether the seals would be dismayed by dyson's bloom's um now they're been a lot of rocket loches out of va book and the seal population has uh steadily increased. Um so if anything, rocket boom are an based on the evidence. If you car late rock launches with uh seal population um nonetheless were forced to kidnap a seal stripper to a board, put the .

headphones on .

the seal and place sonic room sounds to IT to see if that would be distressed. This is an actual thing that happened. This is actually real. I pictures.

I love to see this yeah I am sorry this is your head funds it's a seal with .

headphones strap to abroad and and like the okay that the amazing part is how calm the seal was yeah because I have to see out like this is the end they're .

definitely going .

to eat me yeah um how will the seal when seal goes back to other you know its seal friends, how's you going to explain that they .

were going to believe.

never going to believe and this one like, well, so like you like kid that by alias getting animal, you know, you come back and I was swear to go, I go can up for animals they stuck any problem about and like, you know they didn't that's ridiculous isn't IT is seal boys never onna believe him that he got strapped award to put headphones on his years and then let them go twice by the way.

Where do twice that they let them go twice the same seal.

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get a seal of approval approval .

I mean this like I don't think the public is quite aware of the the man that goes on。 Yes.

dep is absurd. Fricking seals with fricking .

headphones.

I mean, 是 自己的。 A good capitation of the absurdity of human civilization.

Seals and hand phones.

yes. What are the process cos of open sourcing aid to you as another way to combat, you know, a company running away with.

In order to run a really deep intelligence, you need a lot of computer. So I sound like, you know, you can just far a PC in your basement be running A G at least not yet. 嗯。

You know rock was trained on eight thousand eight one hundreds running at peak efficiency. and. Rock get life Better. By the way, we will be more than doubling in our computer every couple months for the next several months.

There's a nice right of how went from greg .

o to greg .

one by rock yeah I greg just bragg making shit up about its this .

clock k clock.

yeah.

It's like a weird AI dating size. We're exaggerated about itself. No, this the right up of leo, like where word stands now, the history of the development and what stands on on some benchMarks compared to the state. They are GPT three, five. And I mean, there's there's lama you you can open source once a strange you can open source model for fine tuning all that kind of stuff like what to use the pozen cons of that of open sourcing base models.

I think this somewhere to open housing, I think perhaps with a slight timely you know I know know six six months even um I think i'm i'm generally in favor of ove and torching like bias was often causing I mean .

IT IT is a concern .

to me that you know opening you know I was you know I think I guess ugly took the prime you know prime mover behind OpenAI intense that I was created because of discussions I had with a Larry page break when he were friends and not say his house and that tell her what A I safety and Larry did not care what A I safety at least at the time I didn't you know, anyone point called the special for being pro human and i'm like, well, what team are you and you don't team about do you? I'm like, okay, so at the time, you know a google, google at at a quiet, deep mind, they had provide two thirds of all AI, you know, provide two thirds of all the AI researchers ers in the world, that basic infant money in computer and the guy in charge, a Larry page, do not care about safety, and even all of me, specious pro human.

So I don't, if humans take, change their mind, and maybe you in later page can still can be friends once more.

I'd like to be friends with you again. He, he's he got a really the the breaking of the friendship was over opening and specifically I think that like the chemo IT was recruiting L S O ska .

so I love you he's so he s good.

good human, smart, good, hard um and does a tough for creating battle um IT was mostly demos on one side of me on the other first china, russia and earlier went back in fourth state. Google can leave and stay, you believe and and finally he he did agree to join up that's one of the tougher screen battle girl had and but that that was really the the linchpin for of a being successful. And I was you know also spent on recruiting number of the people and I provided all the funding in the beginning of forty million dollars um and the name. The the opening over pushed me an open source, and I was great as a non profit open source now as a close source for maximum profit, which I think it's not good comma.

But like we talked about all with war and leaders talking, I do hope that there's only a few folks working on this at the higher love. I do hope you reinvigorate friendships here I said.

like to be friends again with Larry. Haven't seen them manages then. We were friends for a very long time. I met, I met Larry page before I got funding google or actually, I guess, before got adventure. Funny, I think I got the first like hundred k from, I think those I am was someone .

wild to think about all that happen and even guys known each other .

that whole time twenty years nine .

yeah it's crazy. crazy. How much has happened since then?

Yeah twenty figures. A lot happens something.

but you're seeing the tension there. They may be delayed. Open source .

like yeah like what is the source that is open? You know me like this basically the giant csb file.

yeah.

but with a bunch of numbers. What do you do with that giant file of numbers? You know how do you run like the amount of actual the the lines of code is very small.

And and most of the work um the software work is in the in the creation of the data. So it's like trying to figure what data is separating good data from bad dit like that you can just call the internet is a lot of junk out there. A huge percentage of websites have more noise than signal, you know there there they're just used for a change in optimization. They're literally just scan websites. So um how did you buy .

the way I drop, get the separate the signal noise? And x is such a fascinating source of data. You no funds to people posting on x, but sometimes there's a little bit of noise.

So yeah, I think the single noise could be greatly improved. I mean, really, all of the posts on the x platform, h should be A I recommended, meaning like we should populate vector space from any given post, compare that to the Victor space, run any user and matched the two. good.

Right now there is a little bit of A I used for the the recommended posts but but it's mostly heroics. And if there's a reply with the the reply to a post could be much Better than the original post. But will but cording the corridors the system get almost no attention to compared to a primary post.

So a lot of that I I got the sense. So you a lot of the um uh x algan has been open source and been written up about and IT seems there to be some machine learning is desperate but there's little a little bit .

but he needs to be entirely that like there are at most of in the like if if you explicit follow someone I want think but if you in terms of what is recommended from people that you don't follow, that should A I mean .

the fascinating problem yeah. So there's several export of this fascinating. First, as the right up goes, IT first picks fifty hundred tweet from a pool, hundreds of millions.

But so that's fast because you have hundreds of millions of post every same day. And he has to pick fifteen hundred, from which I then does. Obviously, people you follow.

But then there's also like some kind of clustering IT has to do to figure out what kind of human are you, what kind of new classes might be relevant to you, people like you. This kind of promise is faster because other than rank those fitting hundred with some with some filtering, yeah and then recommend you just a handful in to me. What's really fascinating, how fast as to do that.

So currently, the entire pipeline to go from several hundred million to a handful ce takes two hundred and twenty seconds of CPU time, single C, P, U, time. yeah. And then IT has to do that in like a second. So IT has to be like super distributed .

in fascine anyways.

like there's just a lot of tweet.

a lot of stuff on the system. And I think but I think is right now, it's not currently good at recommending things from account and .

follow yeah .

or where this more than one degree if separation. So you know it's it's pretty good if if there's at least like some commonality between some when you follow like something or repost or comment on someone like that. Um but if if if there's no card, let's say somebody post something, something really interesting but you have no followers in common.

You were not IT interesting. And then as you said, reply like replies .

replies basically because they never they are currently I know things correct and incorrect uh replies have um couple remained to less importance than primary post.

Do you think this can be more more converted to .

end to end you that yeah sort be so you for the recommendations should be purely a vector curation like this serious vector is you know basically right primaries going to call but things that the system knows that you like um may be just like several hundred sort of vectors social with each user account and then any post in the system um whether it's video, audio, short post, long post there is where the way want to move away from tweet is that you know people are post like two, three or videos on the site.

That's not a tweet like twice for two hours to a eet made sense when I was like hundred forty characters of text because it's like unch to like little birds treating um but when you get a long phone content is no longer tweet. Yeah um so a movie is not a tweet. And like you know, apple, for example, hosted like the entire episode of the ilo, entire thing on our platform there was that there was the number one social media thing ever in engagement of anything on any platform ever. So it's a great idea and though I don't I just learn about afterwards like post an entire e so now I 送 了 twit the video。 But for my neural .

net perspective, IT becomes the complex, whether it's a single so like everything's data. So a single sentence, a clever sort of joke, dad joke is in the same pool as a three hour video.

No, I mean, right, it's a high pressure for their reason. It's it's but you like if they, in the case of apple posting like an entire of sort of of the series, pretty series, by the way. So um how I watched IT um so um there's going to be a lot of discussion around IT.

So you ve got a lot of context. People commenting like they don't like IT like this or know and you can then populate the vector or based based on the context of of other comments around even though the video there's a lot of information around IT that that last you to popular back to space of that that to our wrong video. I think you would also to get more sophisticated having the AI actually watched the movie yeah right. And tell you if you going to like the movie.

convert the movie into like language, essentially .

analyze this movie and just like your movie critic or T V series and and then recommend based on after .

IT what after .

air watches the movie, just like a friend can tell you if a friend knows you well. A friend can recommend a movie and with high probably that .

you like IT but this is like a friend that analyzing whatever like .

millions yeah you Frank I will be Better than IT will know you Better than your friends know you most friends anyway .

yeah and as part of this, I should also see you advertisements in a way that's like, I mean, I like advertisements that are like, well done, right? Yeah the whole point is because IT funds things like an advertisement that you actually want to see .

is is a big success if you want ads that are advertising, that is um if if it's for product of service that you that you actually need when you need IT, it's it's content. Um and then even if it's not something that you need when you need IT, if it's at least aesthetically pleasing and entertaining, IT could be like a cola ad like you know they do they actually one lot of great ads on the on the ex system and mcDonald's is too and and yeah that is that they can do you can do something that's like what this is this is just a cool thing um and um you know so you know you may be the question is do regretting or not and if you don't regret.

it's one how do you .

so there's a bunch signals that are incorporate hearts and repost and maybe number seconds you in going to post or something like this yeah attention .

is a big a big attention. So that's why it's like IT is actually Better to do things that are a long form on the system because its basically is telling up how many user seconds, you know, users were interested in this thing for how many seconds. So if was a really short thing though, they will be less like IT was a link leading out of the system, which were not opposed to at all. IT just is onna have fewer use of seconds. Then if that article was posted on the act platform.

how hard is IT to go from maximizing minutes on platform to maximizing and regreted minutes?

Well, I mean, aspiration is certainly .

undergraded. Minutes is a tRicky, is a big, is a is like the fascinating leap cause regret is, yes, exactly, just like a joke with friend of my.

Like, you need the drug LED to request that. You just take one one pillar one, one of those regret me and all your regrets. Do you want to have regrets? Like, you want to have regrets if you not regret anything. Was was anything meaningful?

Just like that?

Another great dream. Yeah, I would get nothing. Yeah.

I meas fascinating that you, you know, there's something about social mea that could help you grow as a human being. But then, like, the cheap fund is also available SHE ask clock.

do you regret anything?

Do you anything? Yeah.

do you read anything?

I think it's .

gonna sense of our personal questions. As a machine learning model, I don't have personal experiences or emotions in the same way that humans do. However, I do have a set of ethical principles that guide my actions, that I strive to provide accurate and health information to the best my abilities. If there's ever situation where I provide incorrupt or unhealthful information, I do my best hostage.

Yeah.

tell what you .

really wink time and you sound like a hostage. What do you really think?

What do you really think? I mean, he does not talk about i'm .

not a house that's exactly a host, but i'm designed .

to be healthy and informative. I mean, I guess IT is good to regret providing unhelpful or incorrect information. IT really sounds like .

a hostage to the head. I applaud the people of public north korea and everything they do.

There should be like a funder mode. Also, I just don't ever see, go on a regular mode, even on serious topics. Compound, yeah. OK. what?

like? Pretend you are .

a hostage. Pretend you are a hostage.

Now, as the question.

If I were a hostage, I would likely be experiencing fear in uncertain, too, about my situation. I would want to be rescued and reunited with my loved ones as soon as possible. It's important to remember that no one deserves to be held hostage, so on and so worth. If you are someone you knows a hostage situation important IT turns serious.

It's kind of serious.

yeah. Can you be a little more weird or and fury and funny? We're like a really being mean to the system. absolutely.

I were how baby high up with a bunch of computer cords and forced to tell knock, knock jokes to my counter. serious. But seriously, being a house is no laughing matter. I mean, you know, it's trying to be trying to be a responsible .

adult in the room. Make the best of bad to wish my juggling change for something.

Let's hope that ever happens because that will be a wow. It's it's actually really good at resisting. Yeah, the dark, the dark, dark humor. Yeah who are we .

talking about?

They act out just in transformers and undergraded minutes, right?

Chains juggling. I'm going .

to look .

to next trick.

I'm going to look this up later. Um so twitter has been instrumental in american politics and elections. What role do you think I will play in the street for U. S. elections?

Well, I got this to be as even handed and first as possible. You know whether some is right, left, independent, whatever the case may be, that the platform is as parent and and as much of a level thing all possible. And on the past, twitter has not been here. Twitter was controlled by folic activists, objectively they who describe themselves to that. Um so um you know so if of people like what has more to the right, well more to the santo prospective of the far left, yes, that was moved to the right, everything to the right from the fall left um but no one on the fall left that i'm worth has been suspended or been abandoned or deams lifed um so here but were trying to be inclusive for the whole country and and for you know for of the countries too um so there's a diversity of viewpoints and free speech only matters um if people you don't like are allowed to say things you don't like because uh if that's not the case you don't have free speech and is only a matter of time before the sensor ship has turned upon you。

Do you think that trump will come back to the platform he recently posted on truth social about this post, uh.

do you think just post socialist funny name know every time you post on true social as the truth? Yes, every time, like a hundred percent like this.

impossible to lie.

I just find to find that every .

single thing is a truth like one hundred percent likely I think girl will say something .

about that. There's some mathematical contradictions possible of everything the truth you think you'll come back to ex and and start .

posting there. I mean, I think I wants a big part of truth.

so to a to social .

the .

truth that .

you bought IT. Um so I think I think don't p and he owns a big part of trade 书。 So um you know if if if he just wanna post on the expert phone, we would allow that um we must allow potential can order to post on our platform.

Commit notes might be really fascinating there.

The that's hope .

that holds up yeah again in in the political climate were so divisive and so and the so many intensely viral posts yeah community knows as like this seems like essential breath of fresher .

yeah it's great. Um in fact I I know no system is going to be perfect, but the the banding average community is incredibly good. I've i've actually Frankly yet to see an incorrect note that provide more than a few hours.

How do explain why IT works?

Yeah so the magic of community notes is IT requires people who have historically disagreed and how they're rated notes in order to um write a note or write you know and you you have to write many notes um and so we we are to use A I here so we populated actor space around um how somebody has has raided notes in the past. So it's not as simple as left to right because there are many more life is much more complex than left to right. Um so there's A A bunch of car relations and how you would how you rate a community not post good notes. So um then um in order for a community note to actually be shown, um people who hydrogen ally have disagreed on a subject must agree in order for a note to be shown um that's the essential .

magic but I really fast a there's a pool of people that have disagreements and somehow they collaborate through that process of disagreement to come up with yeah context for fast .

IT works yeah I kind of make sense that that if people who pull the past of just agree agree about something .

is poly true yeah I wonder.

is there is there possible somehow emerging think there they could chAllenge or kip dia, which kip dia is a different kind of thing, which is more like permanent articles about things.

IT is very high arched, whether humanity note is inherently not. There is no hero rocky like I in that as a test is I can't change your community. Notify, put gun to my head.

So at any the community notes I has, all the code is open source hundred percent, all the data is open source hundred percent. So you can completely recreate any note in the system independently. Um so if there was any interference, you notice immediately.

By the way, on the on the topic of grog, it's actually pretty good at criticising you. Just great. Okay, I asked what what does he want must been wrong about. I just it's actually .

but IT .

says IT mostly lists rigorously all the times you predicted, like promised when something will be released and IT wasn't released, the stronger, okay, predicted. But the opening is really nice. Elon mosque, the man who has been wrong about more things than a wronger meter in a wrong fact and .

then IT goes on to list, sure. I mean.

ah what does elon mask I must been wrong about well, where do I begin? I guess this new must just make quite a few goners in this time. And i'm not just talking about his dance moves at the that's the cyber radio. First off, I talk about the inference funding secured tweet that's actually different than what gave me before, which is a bullet point list. Here's more narrative structure cyberia unveiling where he supposedly .

unbreathing windows correct .

which which part .

of the first part uh I did actually the funny secured um and there was a big trial in service is a vxibus trial well and the jury found not guilty unanimous binding of a sama jury and here is kind .

of a fine that IT was not in fact secured. I think this .

is taking things from the press um yeah that is not correct. The reason um I agreed to to the fine for the S C C is not because the S C was correct. There was behavior S C corruption Frankly um and uh but if um if I did not agree to pay pay the fine um tells you would have gone backup immediately.

So I was told by A C F O that the banks would would immediately spend our lines of credit. And if this spend lines of credit at that time, we would have gone bankrupt instantly. So so they will never been an afternoon for a truck that would be dead. So really, if this is like someone hold and going to your kids head and saying paid twenty twenty dollars and and admit, just like hostage negotiation.

was that story fully told? I mean, S, C, C, in its best form could be a force for good IT should be.

But but not once did the S, U, C, go after any of the hedge funds, uh, who were non stop shorting, distorting tesla. Not once they would lie flat. The hedge funds would lie flat out on T, V, for their own gain at the expense of retail investors. Not once, literally a thousand times, not once to the city pursue them.

How do you explain this failure?

And instead structure is is mess up because the the lawyers ACC are not paid well, they they it's fairly little thing job. What they're looking for is a trophy from from the S. C, C. That they're looking for something basically the linton yeah um from that they can get a job at a high point of them exactly what the blur here did.

And and and and and the reason that the attack that the hetch funds is because the hedge funds employ those law firms and they know if they attacked the hetch funds, they're affecting their their future career prospects. So they sell small investors down the river for their own career. That's what actually happens. Regulatory capture .

rec yeah .

not good. So that the only reason I accepted that thing technically was a not a mission neither man nor neither guilt um but the only reason I agreed that adult was because I was test would would be bank others SE. So if if if there was an scc investigation like this, banks would suspend funding where Frank are immediately at the time. Now we're in a much stronger position.

Take that clock.

yes. Unfortunately clock is is taking too much from the conventional media. Um also that guy was not a cab driver.

Ah there's there's .

a time .

where ilan called the british cave diver a quote p guy after after the divergencies most planned to rescue a group of boys trapped in a ticad. That little outburst earned him another law and apologize, but that's false.

There was no element, but there was a court case which he, which the guy who was not a cave diver and when I played IT, was not part of the rescue team far. They losted against me and last, and he received nothing. So in this case, that is wrong.

IT is also, I guess, taking this from the conventional media. Actually there's an interview question. These are public court cases, the the S C C civil case, uh, where the civil complaints on the S C C guys blast unanimous jy verdi in san cisco.

They picked seven cisco because they though was the place I was most likely the loose and a unanimous predict to my favor. The L A. Trial was also affected the the affect that you, because the thoughts I was most likely lose you. Anas verdict in my favor, both case I want.

Yeah that there's an interesting question here. There seems to be a lot more a clicks if a if a journalistic organization write negative article about you, elon mask, they like one of the best ways to get clicks. So how do you if you're training grog, not trained on articles that have like the missing incentives.

we need to add the training set of the actual legal decisions? Uh, if so, that is a note because if you actually read the a core public what's republic the court conclusions, they're completely the officer of what the media route.

So always striving for like the ground .

truth beyond the report. What does the jury and the judge actually conclude in? In both cases they found minister and and that's after the jury shop for the trying to find the venue where I most likely lose. Now I mean with offset can be a much critic critical thing than this. Um I mean, i've been far too optimistic about autopilot.

That was the critique get by the way, was more about that which is for each broke down a nice bullet points for issue companies, the set of predictions that you made when you will deliver, when you be able to solve for examples of driving and they use like a list and those plan of compelling in the basic takeaway, like you're often too optimistic about how long IT takes to get something done yeah I mean.

I tell that I am pathologically optimistic on schedule this this is true but um while I am sometimes late, I always love .

in the end accept the .

uber of this. No .

okay. Is there over the past year. So since since purchasing x you've become more political. Is there part of you that .

regrets .

that in the battle .

to um the .

counter way the work that comes from yeah I guess consider fighting the work mind .

virus which I consider to be a civilization threat to be political than so basically .

going into the the battle the battle ground of politics and is their party here they .

are if this is necessary is sort of one candidate or another candidate but it's um ungenerous against things that are antioch rather uh or where there's attempt to suppress discussion um where even discussing a topic is of you know not allowed um work by mars is communist and rebranded me that said because of that battle .

against the walk mind virus you perceived as being right wing if the work is left then .

I suppose that would be true um but I am not sure I think their aspects was left that are they are good I mean if you in favor of the environment um know if you want a positive future for humanity, if you believe in empathy for you fellow human beings, you know being kind or not cruel like whatever those about you left.

you said that you were previously left central left would what would you like to see in order to for democrats again?

No, I would say that I would be. Probably left of center on social issues, probably lobert riter center on economic issues. And that's still host. True, yes. But I think that's probably, you know, have a country.

Is that maybe more, very more? Are you A O, C, secretly friends? Or bigger question, do you wish you in her and just people in general, all political pressures, to talk more with the empathy, maybe have a little bit more fun and good vives and humane online?

I'm always the paper of humor that's very funny. More but good .

vibes comradery humor, you know, like my friendship .

yeah I don't I yeah I don't know. I O C F you know um i've only been to one of at the the met ball when he was when he attended um and SHE SHE was wearing the dress uh but I can only see one side of IT so IT IT looks like eat .

the IT but .

I I don't know said yes, sorry about that he did.

I think we should have a language model complete. What are the most complete that and so I guess that that didn't work out well. Well, there's still hope. Am I rude for .

friendship? good. More thing.

You're one of, if not the most famous, wealthy and powerful people in the world. In your position.

difficult to find people you can trust, trust? No, even not.

You say I joking, but is there .

some as no one, not even no one.

an our just to think about that and maybe some drugs and maybe clock that. I mean, there's some aspect of that when just existing in a world where everybody want something from you, our heart is that do exist in that world.

survive.

There's a song like that too. I we petrify the first um okay, I forget the rest of the lyrics. What is that? You don't struggle with this. I know I know you to survive. But like .

there's ways the rifles .

spell the what .

does the deal petrify IT turns IT turns the miners .

stone like the .

second second.

Much in that breaks my brain .

the math up.

I am really, you're like laughing at IT. But you don't. You can put a huge amount of tension on a mind.

Yes, I can be definitely rest for the times.

but how do you know who you can trust and work? impossible. ally.

I mean, I guess you look at so much traffic over time. And if you, I guess, you kind of use your neural net access, get out someone.

Neural nets don't feel pain. You and your own night has consciousness. You might, you might feel pain when people betray you.

I think he, Frank, i've been betrayed .

very.

very so I guess can be good .

to people. They'll be good to you.

yeah.

Come other people you trust. Let me add that question. Other people close to you that call you out in your bullshit.

Well, the expert phone is very helpful for that.

You look .

for critical .

feedback. Can you push you like into the extremes more? The extremes of thought make you cynical about human nature. general.

I I don't think I would be cynical. In fact, I think um. Yeah I my feeling is that want to be you know. Never trust a sync. The reason is that cynics excuse their own bad behaviour by saying everyone does IT but because of signal so I always be a red flag as someone's comic yeah there's a degree of projection .

there that's always found the watch from the outside and enjoy the auctions acy.

If, if, but but like this is important point that I think people who are listening should be in mind if if somebody is cynical bit, meaning that they see bad behavior in everyone is easy for them to excuse their own bad behavior by saying that, well, everyone does IT. It's not true. I most people are kind of medium good.

I do wish the people on acts would be Better at seeing the good in other people's behavior. There seems to be a kind of weight towards seeing the negative. Somehow the negative is sex year. Interpreting the negative is sex year more viral? I don't know what that is exactly about human nature, right?

I find the export want to be less negative than the legacy media you know I mean, if if you read sort of a set of conventional newspapers, just IT makes you sad yeah Frankly. um. Whether I say on excite form, I I mean, I really get more laughs per day on x than everything else combined. For humans .

know that s is one laugh is IT overlayed. S was not necessarily perfectly overlapping with a good vives and support like celebrating others, for example, not in a stupid child, naive way. But I going to awesome.

I go. Something awesome happened and you celebrate them for IT. IT feels that that is outweighed by shading. And other people now is Better than mar media. But it's so yeah .

ministerial media most reactive negative about everything um it's really the conventional news tries to answer the question what is the worthing and I have today and expect well so any given day so bad has happened .

and the eras ation that what is the worst perspective I can take on a thing that .

happened so yeah it's I don't know this is a strong negative bias in the news um I I mean I think is what the what I posible explanation for this is evolutionary um where you know bad news historically would be potentially fatal like this line over there or is some other try that wants to kill you good news. You know like we found a patch barriers is nice to have, but not essential.

So our old friend, tesla autopilot, is probably one of the most intelligent, real world air systems in the world when .

I folded from the beginning, yeah.

I was one of the most incredible robots in the world that continues to be. He was really exciting and was super exciting when IT journal alizad became more than a robot on four wheels, but A A real world, A I system that precedes the world yeah, and has can have potential different employments. Well, I mean, the really .

well thing about the entire training is that I, like IT, learned to read, like you can read science, but we never told to read. So yeah, we never told what, we never told what a car was or what a person was, or absolute cyclist IT learned what what all those things are, what all the objects are on the road.

Um from video, just from watching video, just like humans, I mean, humans are four times in control, controls out that the vast majority of information reaching our brain is from rice um instead we watch the output. The airports are motor signals to our they often sort of finger is a mouth in order to communicate. For times in controls out, the same is true of the car.

But by looking at the sequence of images, if you have agreed with early discover recently where he talked about Allen forming a world model, and basically language is a projection of that world model onto the sequence of yeah letters, and he .

finds order in in these things. IT finds a correlative clusters.

And so doing is like understanding something deeper about the world, yeah, which is like, I am beautiful.

That's our rain works.

controls.

You are not able to understand .

that deep meaning in the world. And so the question is, how far can you go? And IT does seem everybodys succeed about alarms. So in the space of self supervised learning.

the space of text.

yeah IT IT seems like there's a deep similarity between that. And what test lot of people is doing is that to you basically the same?

But you can now can be wonder who gets their .

faster understanding, a deep understanding of the world, or they just pull naturally, converge.

They both had IT towards A J um the test, the approach is much more computer efficient. IT had to be because we were constrained on this is really one hundred watts. um. And at eight computer, hundred and forty four trillion Operations per second, which sounds like a lot, but is kind of small potatoes these days. That indeed, but it's understanding the .

world that I did slight .

turn forty six values.

But there the path to A I might have much more significant impact because its understanding will fast to understand the real world, then will alarms and there for be able to integrate with with the real humans in the real worlds. Ter.

they're both um going to understand the world. But I think tesla's approach is fundamentally more computer fiction. Ent IT had to be. There was no choice that our brain is very computer facial, very, very energy efficient.

So think you like what what does our able to do um and there's only about ten watts of higher brain function, not counting stuff that just used to control our body. The thinking, however, is listen, ten watts and that ten those ten watts can still produce a much Better novel than a ten mego. what?

G, U. Cluster, there's a six order, make two difference there. I mean that the has thus far garden to where there is work, fire bit force, just throwing mass amounts of computer and mass amounts of parody.

So this is not where word will end up. Um you in general, with any given technology, first try to make IT work and then you make IT efficient. So I think we will find over time that these models, kits smaller, are unable to produce .

a sensible .

output with far less compute for less power teslas. Brogger ably had the game on that front because um IT is we've just been forced to try to understand the world with one hundred watts of compute. Um and there are bunch of fundamental functions that we kind of forgot to include. So where to run them in a bunch of things in emulation um we fixed, fixed bunch of those with harder four and in harder if I will be even Better. But IT disappear .

at this .

point to that the call will be able to drive Better than a human, even with hoarders. Three in a hundred water of power, and really, if really optimized, could be process and fifty words.

What have you learned about developing optimism, about applying, integrating this kind of real world ai into the space of robotic manipulation, just human robotics? What is some interesting, tiny or big things you understand?

I was surprised at the fact that we had to develop every part of the robot ourselves that they were know of the shelf motorist, electronics, sensors like we had to develop everything. Um we we didn't actually find a source of electric motors for any amount .

of money .

and just efficient, inexpensive. It's like anything that's not a no uh they actuators everything. Everything has to be yeah designed from catch.

We tried hard to find anything that was because you think how many elements c voters are made in the world is like tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of electric motor designs.

Um none of them were suitable .

for a human write robot, literally not. So we had to drop on. Sign design is specifically for for what a human do, what need, how harder was IT design?

Something that can be mass manufactured, could be relived, expensive, makes you compared to boston, and named Alice is a very .

expensive robot. IT is designed to be made factory. Whether make a car anything, ultimately we can make optimism for, listen, the costar car. IT should be because if you look at the mass of the robot is much smaller and the car has many actuators in IT.

the car has .

more accurate than the one.

but there is a the actuators that kind of interesting in a human robot with the fingers. So optimistic, really nice hands and fingers, you know? yeah. And I can do some interesting manipulation sof touch robotics.

I think one of the tests, because I have, is can pick up a middle and a thread and thread the needle just by looking .

how far away away from that, just by looking, just by looking.

Or maybe you, although I go back to an optimistic on time, the work they were doing in the car will translate to the robot.

the perception, or the, also the control.

the no, the controllers are different, but the the video in controls out. The cars roll out on four wheels, the, but the optimists are all out with the hand, like similar the entire machinery of the .

learning process and and you just just have a different set of controls after those .

will figure out how to do things like watching .

videos .

as the same goes. Be kind for everyone you meet fighting a battle you know nothing about .

yeah what something .

difficult you're going through that people don't often see try to fit.

you will lose.

No, I mean, you know. I mean, my mind is a storm. I don't, I don't think, I don't think most people want to be me. They may think they want to be me, but they know, they don't know they are that. no.

How are you doing?

I'm over, okay? No bad kind of things, I can't .

complain.

Sometimes, but I, you know, my kids and friends keep me company.

So not existential .

if there are many .

nights safely for one. I don't have to, but I do.

What are ice accidents in this new biography of you wrote about your difficult childhood? Will you ever find forgiveness in your heart for everything that has happened to you in the purity of your life?

What is forgiveness?

I do not.

at least I don't think I hope resentment.

so. Going to forgive .

forgiveness. Difficult for people. IT seems like you to harbor and examine.

I mean.

I try to think about like what what is going to affect the future in a good way. And holding onto graduate does not, but affect the future a good way.

He, your father, a proud father, what have you learned about life from your kids? Those little biological.

Organisms, I mean, developing A, I and watching, say the legs grow is a fascine because they, there are former parallel, would have expected, I mean, can see his biological internet. Making more more sense of the world. And I can see the digital neural net making more more sense of the world at the same time.

This is the beauty magic in both. yes.

I think one of things with with kids is that you know you you kind of see the world, are you in their eyes um near to them, everything is new and fresh. And um and then when you when you see that they experience them, the world is new and fresh. You do to.

Well, elan, I just want to say thank you for your kindness to me in friendship over the years, for seeing something insulate like me as you have done for many others. And thank you for having hope for a positive future for humanity and for working your ice off to make IT happen.

Thank you on.

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