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#389 – Benjamin Netanyahu: Israel, Palestine, Power, Corruption, Hate, and Peace

2023/7/12
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本杰明·内塔尼亚胡否认自己是世界上最受憎恨的人,并强调其在国际上的广泛支持,尤其是在阿拉伯世界,这体现在与多个阿拉伯国家达成的历史性和平协议上。他认为批评以色列的人们缺乏了解,以色列是一个先进的民主国家,为全球做出了巨大贡献。他还谈到对仇恨的看法,认为应该在萌芽状态就将其扼杀,并以二战为例说明其危害性。在谈到以色列当前的司法改革时,他反驳了批评者关于改革赋予政府过大权力,使其走向独裁的观点,认为大规模抗议并不能证明政府独裁,并详细解释了改革的初衷和目标,即恢复立法、行政和司法三权之间的平衡,纠正司法过度干预的现象。他还谈到以色列的经济发展,强调自由市场经济和高科技人才对以色列经济的贡献,以及以色列在人工智能领域的潜力。他与Sam Altman和Elon Musk等科技领袖的对话中,他认为人工智能发展迅速,需要进行监管,但全球监管存在困难。他还谈到权力腐败的问题,认为自己致力于确保以色列的生存和繁荣,并对针对自己的腐败指控进行了反驳。在谈到以巴冲突时,他认为巴勒斯坦方面持续拒绝承认犹太人的国家是冲突持续存在的主要原因,并提出了自己对解决以巴冲突的方案,即巴勒斯坦人拥有自治权,但不能威胁以色列的安全。他还谈到在约旦河西岸扩张定居点不会损害两国方案,因为大部分定居点最终都会成为以色列的一部分。他强调了亚伯拉罕协议的重要性,认为与阿拉伯国家建立和平比解决巴勒斯坦问题更重要,并解释了协议达成的背景和意义。他还谈到对乌克兰战争的看法,认为需要谨慎处理,避免局势失控,并指出伊朗拥有核武器的危险性。最后,他谈到自己对死亡的看法,以及自己致力于确保犹太国家和犹太人民的未来。

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Why do some people hate Benjamin Netanyahu?

Some people hate Netanyahu due to animosity and misinformation spread by certain media outlets, but he argues that this does not reflect broad global support for Israel and its policies.

Why is Israel facing protests over judicial reform?

Protests in Israel are over the government's proposed judicial reform, which seeks to weaken the Supreme Court, leading to concerns about excessive power accumulation by the government.

Why does Benjamin Netanyahu believe in free market reforms?

Netanyahu introduced free market reforms to unleash entrepreneurial spirit and innovation, boosting Israel's GDP per capita from $17,000 to $54,000.

What is Benjamin Netanyahu's view on artificial intelligence?

Netanyahu believes AI is developing rapidly and will significantly impact jobs and economic models, necessitating regulation but also recognizing the difficulty of achieving global regulation.

Why does Benjamin Netanyahu think competition is crucial?

Netanyahu believes in the power of competition to regulate economic activity and prevent monopolies, though he acknowledges the challenges in defining market segments and monopoly power in a technologically intermixed world.

How does Benjamin Netanyahu view the corrupting nature of power?

Netanyahu does not believe power corrupts him, as he is driven by a mission to ensure Israel's survival and prosperity, and he is accountable to Israeli voters through regular elections.

What does Benjamin Netanyahu see as the top obstacle to peace between Israelis and Palestinians?

The top obstacle is the persistent Palestinian refusal to recognize a Jewish state in any boundaries, which Netanyahu sees as the core issue underlying the conflict.

How does Benjamin Netanyahu propose to achieve peace with the Palestinians?

Netanyahu suggests a solution where Palestinians have self-governance but no power to threaten Israel, with Israel maintaining overall security responsibility.

What does Benjamin Netanyahu think about the Abraham Accords?

Netanyahu views the Abraham Accords as a historic breakthrough that can expand peace beyond the Palestinian issue to include other Arab states, potentially leading to a broader Arab-Israeli peace.

What has Benjamin Netanyahu learned from his father?

Netanyahu learned from his father the importance of identifying danger in time, the need for a broad and deep education, and the continuous acquisition of knowledge to navigate political life effectively.

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Netanyahu discusses the hate directed towards him and Israel, emphasizing broad global support and highlighting Israel's contributions to humanity through technological advancements and disaster relief efforts.
  • Netanyahu refutes the premise of being widely hated, citing support from various global communities.
  • He emphasizes Israel's role as a technological innovator and provider of humanitarian aid.

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OUTLINE: Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) - Introduction (08:22) - Hate (14:02) - Judicial reform and protests (22:38) - AI (32:40) - Competition (39:21) - Power and corruption (46:32) - Peace (1:01:05) - War in Ukraine (1:05:01) - Abraham Accords (1:09:02) - History (1:13:48) - Survival