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How to make every job a good job (w/ Zeynep Ton)

2024/11/11
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Chris Duffy: 好的工作对个人生活和社会都有益处,它能让人们有更多的时间、金钱和精力去改善世界。 低薪工作会导致员工生活混乱,工作效率低,顾客体验差,公司业绩差,形成恶性循环。 Zeynep Ton: 一份好的工作至少应提供足够的薪酬、良好的工作时间和职业发展路径,并满足员工归属感、意义感和成就感等更高层次的需求。许多工作由于薪酬过低而并非好工作,尤其是在服务行业。高薪低价并非不可能,低薪资实际上增加了公司的运营成本。Costco的成功在于其对员工的投资,这不仅体现在薪资上,也体现在工作设计上,使员工每小时的价值更高。赋能员工,让他们能够主动改进工作流程,提升工作效率和顾客满意度。一份好的工作应该同时满足公司和员工的需求。一些公司将不稳定的工作安排美化成“灵活性”,但这对需要养家糊口的人来说是不可行的。管理者普遍认为好的团队是成功的关键,但在基层员工身上却往往吝啬投资。企业常常以行业平均水平为基准,而非最佳实践,导致薪资水平停滞不前。人们并非不想工作,而是不愿从事低薪、条件恶劣的工作。低薪会损害员工的身心健康和认知能力,导致工作效率低下。作者的研究始于对服务业运营效率的关注,后因看到一线员工的困境而转向关注如何改善工作和公司业绩。虽然改善工作条件的措施显而易见,但组织结构和决策机制往往阻碍了这些措施的实施。普遍存在的悲观情绪是真实存在的,但一些公司正在发生改变,这带来了希望。Sam's Club 通过提高员工薪资、改善工作安排等措施,实现了公司业绩和员工满意度的双赢。在投资者压力下,创造好的工作和提供低价并非易事,大多数CEO不会因为投资员工而获得奖励。赋能员工,鼓励他们改进工作,而非压制他们的想法,对提升工作体验至关重要。优秀的公司重视一线员工的贡献,并通过降低员工流动率来提升信任度和赋能。作者使用“一线员工”这一术语,强调其在组织中的重要性,而非将其定位于组织底层。即使不是高层管理者,也可以通过关注一线员工的工作,在决策中考虑其影响来改善工作条件。管理者应该深入一线,了解员工的真实工作情况,而非仅仅依赖调查问卷。政府、企业和劳工都应该共同努力改善工作条件,政府的政策能够提供保障,但企业需要创造有意义的工作。一线员工很难单独改善工作条件,工会组织是改善工作条件的一种途径,但其影响力有限。作者本人拥有良好的工作经历,但其研究源于对许多勤劳的人无法过上好日子的现状的震惊。消费者可以通过选择提供良好服务的公司来支持好的工作,并对一线员工表示尊重和感谢。改变对工人的称呼和工资的讨论方式,关注“生活工资”而非“市场工资”。

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Why are many low-wage jobs considered bad jobs?

Many low-wage jobs are considered bad jobs because they often have low pay, uncertain schedules, and lack career paths. According to Zeynep Ton, before the pandemic, 53 million Americans had low-wage jobs with a median pay of less than $20,000 a year. These jobs also tend to have schedules that change frequently, making it difficult for workers to plan their lives.

Why does Zeynep Ton believe that the trade-off between good pay and low prices is a false trade-off?

Zeynep Ton believes that the trade-off between good pay and low prices is a false trade-off because companies that invest in their workers often see higher productivity, better service, and increased customer satisfaction. Companies like Costco have shown that they can offer low prices, make a profit, and provide their workers with good jobs.

Why does Zeynep Ton use the term 'frontline workers' instead of 'low-wage workers' or 'bottom workers'?

Zeynep Ton uses the term 'frontline workers' because these workers are at the forefront of delivering services or producing goods. They are the ones who interact with customers daily and are crucial to the success of the company. Using 'frontline workers' emphasizes their importance and value, rather than framing them as being at the bottom of the organization.

Why is it important for companies to empower their frontline workers?

Empowering frontline workers is important because it enables them to make decisions that improve customer service and operational efficiency. Companies like Costco and Toyota have shown that when frontline workers are empowered, they can identify and implement improvements that create a significant gap between them and their competitors. Empowerment also increases job satisfaction and reduces turnover.

Why does Zeynep Ton advocate for both government and business action to improve jobs?

Zeynep Ton advocates for both government and business action because while government policies like higher minimum wages and better health care can provide a safety net, they do not necessarily create meaningful and dignified jobs. Companies need to design jobs that provide a sense of purpose and achievement. Higher pay and better conditions can benefit both the company and the workers, and companies need to demonstrate that these investments are beneficial.

Why does Zeynep Ton believe that personal relationships across levels of the company are important?

Zeynep Ton believes that personal relationships across levels of the company are important because they help leaders understand the challenges and needs of frontline workers. Leaders who spend time in the front lines, like Jim Sinigal at Costco, gain insights that surveys and reports cannot provide. This direct interaction helps create better policies and work environments.

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Zeynep Ton believes that low-wage work (in childcare, customer service, assembly lines and other essential industries) is front-line work — and that pay should be adjusted accordingly. She makes the case that fair and competitive compensation for front-line workers is a better business model, with a nearly endless list of benefits for people and society at large. Listen in to learn how higher pay leads to higher productivity, better services, and happier people everywhere.