Shownotes Transcript
In this episode, crypto lawyers Kayvan Sadeghi and Sam Enzer delve into the SEC's lawsuit against Consensys, which focuses on MetaMask's swaps and staking services, and explore the implications of the SEC's stance on MetaMask acting as a broker-dealer, and the classification of its staking product as a security.
They discuss how recent rulings on Coinbase and Binance challenge the SEC's claims, and whether differing judicial opinions could lead to the Supreme Court.
Also, they talk about the potential impact of the Supreme Court striking down Chevron deference for crypto regulation.
Show highlights:
00:00 Intro
01:22 The key claims in the SEC's lawsuit against Consensys and how they relate to MetaMask's swaps and staking services
03:42 How recent Coinbase and Binance rulings challenge the SEC's claims against Consensys
09:29 Whether differing judicial opinions on whether wallets with private keys act as brokers could end up being decided by the Supreme Court
12:55 How the SEC will substantiate its claims that MetaMask acts as a broker-dealer and that its staking product is a security in Texas legal briefings
17:42 Why a token itself is not considered a security, according to Sam, and how this distinction affects secondary market transactions in the SEC's case against MetaMask
22:14 What Lido and Rocket Pool can do in response to the SEC tangentially naming their liquid staking tokens as securities
31:27 How the SEC and Consensys lawsuits will proceed, and whether conflicting rulings could arise from their parallel tracks
36:35 The key distinctions in the Binance case compared to those of Coinbase and Kraken, and how the Binance ruling might impact future crypto cases
50:08 What Chevron deference means and how its removal impacts crypto
56:49 How the elimination of Chevron deference affects current crypto cases and legislative gridlock
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Guests:
- Kayvan Sadeghi), partner at Jenner & Block
- Sam Enzer), partner at Cahill Gordon & Reindel
- Previous episode of Unchained with Sam and Kayvan: SBF Trial: How Sam Bankman-Fried’s Lawyers Might Try and Win His Case)
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