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The Chopping Block: L2 Strategy Debates, Prediction Market Innovations, and Ethereum's Vulnerabilities - Ep. 692

2024/8/22
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Haseeb Qureshi
管理合伙人、投资人、程序员和有效利他主义者,专注于加密货币和区块链领域。
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Robert Leshner
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Tarun Chitra
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Tom Schmidt
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Haseeb Qureshi: 我认为以太坊更像美国,虽然用户数量少,但用户非常富有,其经济活动规模仍然很大。这与美国的情况类似,美国人口占世界人口的4%,但财富高度集中。以太坊的决策机制与美国不同,它没有像美国那样集中的决策机构。以太坊患有“荷兰病”,过度依赖其主导地位可能会导致更广泛的经济问题。预测市场,特别是Polymarket,越来越受到关注,并被用作观察实时价格的场所。Polymarket的预测结果与民调结果存在差异,引发了社交媒体上的热议。 Tom Schmidt: 人们混淆了民调和预测市场的概念,前者反映的是公众意见,后者预测的是选举结果。预测市场比静态模型考虑的因素更多,例如候选人退出等。人们对概率的理解存在偏差,容易过度解读预测市场的结果。Nate Silver的新书《On the Edge》中提出的“村庄”和“河流”的框架可以用来理解预测市场和民调之间的差异。 Robert Leshner: 赌徒对概率的反应存在非单调性,他们更倾向于选择差异更大的选项。Polymarket的成功与其在本次选举周期中较大的交易量有关。预测市场的流动性非常重要,Polymarket的成功与其较高的流动性有关。预测市场很难获得足够的流动性,这限制了新平台的成功。 Tarun Chitra: 加密领域也存在“村庄”和“河流”两种不同的力量,分别代表着去中心化和中心化的理念。Solana的崛起促使以太坊生态系统反思自身不足,并开始讨论对以太坊主网进行优化。以太坊的交易费用降低,这与Solana的竞争有关。为了应对Solana的竞争,以太坊生态系统正在讨论对以太坊主网进行多方面的优化,例如提高Gas limit、降低区块时间等。Solana的竞争对以太坊造成了影响,但同时也促使以太坊进行自我改进。关于Rollup是否会蚕食以太坊的争论仍在继续。Rollup使用ETH作为原生资产比数据可用性更重要。以太坊过去一年面临的竞争格局与现在有所不同,其策略需要调整。以太坊升级缓慢,这可能会影响其竞争力。以太坊与云计算平台的竞争类似,需要不断改进以保持竞争力。未来六个月内,以太坊可能会提高Gas limit和区块时间。

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This chapter compares Ethereum to the United States, highlighting the concentration of capital in both despite differences in user numbers. It discusses the economic implications of this concentration, drawing parallels to the Dutch Disease.
  • Ethereum has a high concentration of capital despite fewer users.
  • Comparison to the US and its capital concentration.
  • Discussion of economic effects similar to Dutch Disease.

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Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest news. This week, the boys discuss Ethereum's current standing in the cryptocurrency ecosystem, comparing it to the United States regarding capital concentration despite fewer users. 

They also dive into the dynamics of prediction markets, focusing on Polymarket's role in predicting election outcomes. The conversation evolves into an analysis of potential changes to the Ethereum mainnet, driven by competition from Solana and other factors, including block time reductions and gas limit increases. The episode concludes with predictions about Ethereum's possible upgrades in the next six months and a bet among the hosts about the outcome.

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Show highlights

🔹 A focused discussion on the utility and accuracy of polls versus prediction markets, particularly highlighting the insights from prediction market platforms like Polymarket.

🔹Exploration of Nate Silver's analytical methods and their application to understanding market dynamics and voter behavior forecasts in the crypto context.

🔹Examination of liquidity issues in crypto prediction markets, referencing platforms like Drift Protocol and their impact on market behavior and reliability.

🔹Analysis of how Solana’s advancements are pushing Ethereum to evolve, particularly in the areas of Layer 1 and Layer 2 scaling solutions.

🔹Discussion on the economic strengths and potential vulnerabilities of Ethereum, likened to the Dutch Disease, where reliance on a dominant resource can lead to broader economic issues.

🔹Speculative insights into the possible future changes in Ethereum’s protocol, including adjustments to block times and gas limits, and their potential impact on the network’s efficiency and user experience.

Hosts

⭐️Haseeb Qureshi), Managing Partner at Dragonfly 

⭐️Tom Schmidt), General Partner at Dragonfly

⭐️Robert Leshner), CEO & Co-founder of Superstate

⭐️Tarun Chitra), Managing Partner at Robot Ventures

Disclosures)

Links

On the Edge: The Art of Risking Everything a Book by Nate Silver: https://www.amazon.com/Edge-Art-Risking-Everything/dp/1594204128

0:00 Intro

01:52 Polls vs. Prediction Markets

08:04 Nate Silver's On the Edge

15:37 Prediction Markets and Liquidity

22:31 Solana's Influence on Ethereum

25:32 L1 vs. L2s Updates

32:13 Ethereum has Dutch Disease

44:12 Predictions for Ethereum

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