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TIP685: Top Takeaways From 2024 w/ Kyle Grieve & Clay Finck

2024/12/22
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Annie Duke
决策科学专家,前职业扑克玩家,著名作家和演讲者。
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Brian Lawrence
创立并管理着表现优异的投资合作伙伴公司 Oakcliff Capital,专注于长期价值投资和寻找反证。
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Chris Mayer
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Clay Finck
投资播客主持人和分析师,专注于股票投资和财务分析。
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Hendrik Bessembinder
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John Huber
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Kyle Grieve
投资分析师和播客主持人,专注于高质量股票分析和投资策略讨论。
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Mohnish Pabrai
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Morgan Housel
著名个人财务专家和行为金融学家,通过结合心理学和历史故事提供独特的财务见解。
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Pulak Prasad
Topics
Kyle Grieve: 2024年从嘉宾访谈和书籍阅读中获得了很多宝贵的投资经验,这些经验涵盖了投资的各个方面,包括专注的重要性、如何避免市场噪音的干扰、个股投资的成功率、如何利用反驳性证据改进决策、商业模式的持续性、以及建立反馈循环的重要性等。 Clay Finck: 投资者需要区分信息中的信号和噪音,避免被大量的噪音干扰。有效的投资策略应包括:不预测宏观经济、专注于驱动投资回报的因素、养成良好的投资习惯。 Chris Mayer: 不关注宏观预测,专注于自己投资的公司和行业。要保护好自己的注意力,避免被不相关的信息干扰。要花时间研究自己持有的公司,了解其核心业务和长期发展前景。 Hendrik Bessembinder: 大多数股票的回报率低于国库券,只有少数股票创造了大部分的市场财富。这说明个股投资的难度很大,投资者需要谨慎选择投资标的。 Brian Lawrence: 享受分析业务、理解世界、建立信念和寻找市场错误认知的过程,并积极寻求反驳性证据。从错误中学习,并积极寻求反驳性证据,可以提高投资决策能力。 Morgan Housel: 大多数公司最终都会失败,即使是那些曾经拥有强大竞争优势的公司。企业应保持警惕,避免自满,才能长期成功。 John Huber: 股票回报的三个来源是:收益增长、市盈率变化和资本回报。投资者应关注股票回报的三个来源,并根据情况调整投资策略。不应局限于单一的投资风格,应根据市场情况调整策略。 Pulak Prasad: “间断平衡”理论认为,大多数企业长期处于稳定状态,只有少数情况下会出现重大变化,投资者应抓住这些机会。投资需要耐心,因为好的投资机会很少见,投资者应在市场恐慌时积极投资。对于优质企业,应保持耐心,避免频繁交易。 Annie Duke: 即使是长期投资,也可以通过关注关键指标和定期评估来及时获得反馈,从而改进决策。及时获得反馈,并根据新信息调整投资策略,可以提高长期投资的成功率。 Mohnish Pabrai: 诚信、可靠性和勤奋是重要的原则,对投资和人际关系都有益。可靠性和诚信对人际关系和投资都非常重要。

Deep Dive

Key Insights

Why is it important for investors to focus on the essentials and avoid noise?

Focusing on essentials helps investors avoid distractions from irrelevant information, which can lead to better decision-making. Chris Mayer emphasizes guarding attention carefully and concentrating on long-term business success rather than short-term market fluctuations or macro predictions.

What does Hendrik Bessembinder's research reveal about individual stock performance?

Hendrik Bessembinder's research shows that only 4% of stocks account for all net wealth creation in the U.S. stock market since 1926. Most stocks underperform treasury bills, with four out of seven failing to beat them. This highlights the difficulty of picking winning stocks and the importance of understanding base rates.

Why should investors actively seek disconfirming evidence?

Seeking disconfirming evidence helps investors challenge their assumptions and improve decision-making. Brian Lawrence emphasizes the importance of identifying mistakes and learning from them, as this process leads to better insights and reduces the risk of psychological denial, which can be costly.

What does the impermanence of business success teach investors?

The impermanence of business success, as highlighted by Morgan Housel, shows that even companies with strong moats can fail. Sears, once a dominant retailer, serves as an example. Investors must remain vigilant and update their thinking when new information arises, as no business is immune to disruption.

What are the three sources of stock returns according to John Huber?

The three sources of stock returns are earnings growth, changes in the PE multiple, and capital returns (dividends or buybacks). Huber emphasizes that investors should consider all three factors when evaluating a stock, as overpaying for growth can lead to poor returns if the PE multiple contracts.

How can investors use punctuated equilibrium to improve their strategy?

Punctuated equilibrium, inspired by Pulak Prasad, suggests that businesses often remain in stasis for long periods, with rare opportunities for significant change. Investors should be patient and act decisively during these rare moments, such as market panics, to acquire high-quality assets at attractive prices.

Why is closing feedback loops crucial for long-term investors?

Closing feedback loops helps investors assess whether their initial investment thesis remains valid over time. Annie Duke explains that while long-term investments don't provide instant feedback, tracking key metrics and updating views based on new information can improve decision-making and reduce uncertainty.

What is the 'cone of uncertainty' and how does it apply to investing?

The 'cone of uncertainty,' a concept from Nick Sleep and Kay Sicaria, refers to the narrowing of uncertainty as investors gain more confidence in a business's long-term prospects. As certainty increases, investors can de-risk their investments and increase position sizes, leading to better outcomes.

Why is trustworthiness a critical principle in investing and life?

Trustworthiness, as emphasized by Monish Pabrai, is essential for building long-term relationships and success. Being reliable and honest creates a foundation of trust, which is invaluable in both personal and professional contexts. Investors should also evaluate management teams based on their trustworthiness and consistency.

Shownotes Transcript

In today's episode, Kyle Grieve is joined by co-host Clay Finck to summarize key learnings from 2024. We chat about the importance of focus and avoiding confusing noise, data that shows how difficult individual stock picks are to succeed in, why you should welcome disconfirming evidence, the impermanence of seemingly impenetrable businesses, how to close feedback loops to ensure investments are on the right track, the importance of being trustworthy and reliable, and much more!

IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:

00:00 - Intro

03:11 - Why investors need to focus on the things that matter and how to avoid spending time on noise.

09:19 - Why investors should be aware of the base rates of success of investing in individual stocks (hint, making money is a lot harder than you think).

25:42 - How you can utilize and search out disconfirming evidence to improve your thinking processes.

29:46 - The impermanence of business success and the importance of updating your thinking when new information becomes available.

33:00 - The three sources of investing returns that drive the performance of a stock.

42:53 - How to use punctuated equilibrium to be active at the correct times and inactive at the proper times.

50:52 - Critical lessons on how to close feedback loops for long-term investors.

1:00:29 - How to utilize the "cone of uncertainty" to signal conviction in great ideas.

1:02:49 - Why a great business can still have times of high uncertainty.

1:07:00 - The importance of being trustworthy and reliable.

And so much more!

Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences.

BOOKS AND RESOURCES

  • Join the exclusive TIP Mastermind Community)** **to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Stig, Clay, Kyle, and the other community members.

  • Listen to Clay’s interview with Chris Mayer here) | YouTube Video).

  • Listen to Clay’s interview with Hendrick Bessimbinder here) | YouTube Video).

  • Listen to William Greens’ interview with Bryan Lawrence here) | YouTube Video).

  • Listen to Clay’s interview with Morgan Housel** **here) | YouTube Video).

  • Listen to Clay’s interview with John Huber here) | YouTube Video).

  • Listen to Kyle’s review of What I Learned About Investing From Darwin here) | YouTube Video).

  • Listen to Kyle’s interview with Annie Duke** **here) | YouTube Video).

  • Listen to Kyle’s review of the Nomad Partnership Letters here) | YouTube Video).

  • Listen to Stig’s interview with Mohnish Pabrai here) | YouTube Video).

  • Follow Kyle on Twitter) and LinkedIn).

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