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TIP680: Investing in Exceptional Businesses for the Long Run w/ Dev Kantesaria

2024/12/6
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Dev Kantesaria: 长期投资优秀企业是Valley Forge Capital Management的核心投资策略。他们专注于寻找那些在增长和可预测性之间取得完美平衡的企业,即所谓的"复利机器"。这些企业通常具有强大的定价权,能够在长期内持续创造价值。他们不追求市场时机,而是专注于选择合适的企业,并长期持有。他们认为,精确的估值远不如选择合适的企业重要,因为内在价值的增长最终会弥补估值略微高估的影响。 他们学习并借鉴了巴菲特和芒格的投资理念,但并不盲目模仿,而是根据自身的理解和判断选择投资标的。他们更倾向于投资美国大型企业,因为这些企业通常具有更强的竞争力和可预测性。他们认为,在未来几十年内,美国仍然是全球最佳的投资市场。 他们非常重视可预测性,因为他们不愿承受高风险损失。他们更愿意牺牲一些增长来换取可预测性。他们发现投资机会的方式主要有两种:一是由于股票大幅下跌,市场对某些问题存在误解;二是由于市场忽视了某些公司。 他们认为,在投资中,遗漏错误(即错过投资机会)的损失通常比第一类错误(即投资失败)更大。他们更关注如何避免损失,而不是追求最大的收益。他们通常会着眼于未来10年以上的时间跨度来进行投资建模,并持续关注公司业务质量的细微变化。 他们非常重视定价权,因为这能够帮助企业抵御通货膨胀,并提高长期盈利能力。他们更喜欢那些进行大量股票回购的优质公司,因为这是一种高效的资本配置方式。他们不倾向于投资那些过度依赖收购来增长的公司,因为这存在风险和不确定性。 他们认为,成为优秀的投资者需要具备一些特质,例如:良好的导师指导、合适的成长环境、极强的延迟满足感以及冷静、自律的性格。他们也强调,对各种类型的企业都感兴趣,而不是只关注特定行业,这对于成为优秀的投资者至关重要。 Clay Fink: 作为节目的主持人,Clay Fink主要负责引导访谈,并提出一些问题,帮助Dev Kantesaria更清晰地阐述其投资理念和策略。 Robert Leonard: 作为节目的另一位参与者,Robert Leonard也提出了一些问题,与Dev Kantesaria就一些具体问题进行深入探讨,例如:市场环境、估值、可预测性、定价权、公司收购等。

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Key Insights

Why does Dev Kantesaria emphasize predictability in his investment approach?

Predictability is essential because it reduces the risk of losing money. Dev prioritizes businesses with proven industry dynamics and business models that have been successful over decades. He avoids investments that could suffer significant losses, focusing instead on companies where even if assumptions are slightly off, there’s still a margin of safety to ensure profitability.

Why does Dev Kantesaria avoid investing in Big Tech companies?

Dev avoids Big Tech because he believes AI will become commoditized, making it difficult for these companies to monetize their offerings in the long term. While they may perform well in the short term due to AI growth, he sees risks in predicting the winners in a highly competitive and rapidly evolving industry.

What is the significance of pricing power in Dev Kantesaria's investment strategy?

Pricing power is a hallmark of a great business because it allows companies to raise prices above inflation, protecting against economic downturns and increasing profitability. Dev looks for businesses that can consistently raise prices over decades, ensuring long-term compounding of intrinsic value.

Why does Dev Kantesaria continue to invest in US large-cap companies despite higher valuations?

Dev focuses on US large-cap companies because they often dominate their industries, offering strong growth and predictability. He believes the US has the best business models globally, with superior reporting standards, capital allocation practices, and management teams focused on shareholder value creation.

Why does Dev Kantesaria prefer companies that perform share repurchases?

Share repurchases are an efficient way for companies to return capital to shareholders, especially when stock prices are reasonable. Dev prefers businesses that buy back their stock because it enhances shareholder value and prevents companies from making poor acquisition decisions with excess cash.

What are the key traits Dev Kantesaria looks for when hiring investment analysts?

Dev seeks individuals with patience, discipline, and a long-term outlook. He values delayed gratification and emotional intelligence, as these traits are crucial for making unemotional, disciplined investment decisions. He avoids candidates who are drawn to short-term gains or speculative investments.

What is Dev Kantesaria's view on the current market environment and the recent stock market rally?

Dev believes the recent rally is driven by clarity around inflation and interest rates, which have peaked and are expected to decline. He sees a favorable backdrop for equities, particularly those with strong organic growth, as low interest rates make equities more attractive compared to bonds and cash.

Why does Dev Kantesaria focus on monopolies and duopolies in his portfolio?

Monopolies and duopolies often have strong pricing power and limited competition, making them attractive investments. However, Dev notes that not all duopolies are great businesses, as factors like capital intensity, labor issues, and irrational competition can undermine their profitability.

What lessons has Dev Kantesaria learned from owning S&P Global for over 17 years?

Owning S&P Global taught Dev the importance of long-term thinking and conviction during market downturns. Despite cyclicality in the debt ratings business, he focused on the company’s enduring earnings power and compounding potential, which led to significant returns over time.

Why does Dev Kantesaria avoid highly acquisitive companies?

Dev avoids acquisitive companies because they often overpay for acquisitions, face integration risks, and may dilute the quality of their business models. He prefers companies with organic growth and predictable revenue streams, as acquisitions can introduce unnecessary complexity and risk.

Chapters
Dev Kantesaria shares his perspective on the current market environment, emphasizing the importance of quality and predictable businesses in uncertain times. He discusses the recent stock market rally and the impact of inflation and interest rates on investment strategies. The discussion also touches upon Warren Buffett's investment approach and its influence on Valley Forge Capital Management.
  • Current market environment and recent stock market rally
  • Importance of quality and predictable businesses
  • Influence of Warren Buffett's investment approach

Shownotes Transcript

On today’s episode, Clay is joined by Dev Kantesaria to discuss the current market environment, the types of investments he is looking for, FICO, S&P Global, and much more.

Dev is the founder and portfolio manager at Valley Forge Capital Management. The firm has been highly successful since its inception in 2007, as it’s outperformed the S&P 500 by a wide margin and has over $4 billion in assets under management.

IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:

00:00 - Intro

01:46 - Dev’s view on the current market environment and the recent stock market rally.

05:02 - How Valley Forge Capital Management adopted Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger’s investment approach.

09:16 - Why predictability is an essential part of Dev’s investment approach.

11:32 - Why Dev has decided not to invest in any Big Tech companies.

37:11 - Why pricing power is the hallmark of a great business.

53:30 - Why Dev will continue to invest in the US despite optically higher valuations.

56:59 - The reason Dev loves compounding machines that perform share repurchases.

And so much more!

Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences.

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